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Once-A-Week Podcast: Ryan Garcia Is Hard To Hit With A Right Hand · Big Dog Lukie Boxing Podcast

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SPEAKER_02: We're on with one of my favorite people in boxing,
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SPEAKER_02: one of the smartest people,
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SPEAKER_02: one of the best fighters I know,
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SPEAKER_02: Eddie Croft,
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SPEAKER_02: a real OG,
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SPEAKER_02: a guy who fought everybody of his era and will still run it into your gums
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SPEAKER_02: if you say the wrong thing.
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SPEAKER_02: Eddie, how you doing?
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SPEAKER_00: Great, Lukie, how are you?
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SPEAKER_02: Real good.
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SPEAKER_02: and Eddie's got a lot of knowledge.
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SPEAKER_02: Thank you.
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SPEAKER_02: Yeah, that's a non-paid advertisement.
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SPEAKER_02: But let's now get into this.
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SPEAKER_02: Ryan Garcia, he's fighting Conor Benn.
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SPEAKER_02: I don't really care about the fight,
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SPEAKER_02: but I do care about the insight of Ryan Garcia can get hit with a right hand.
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SPEAKER_02: I personally don't think it's as easy as it is to hit him with a right hand.
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SPEAKER_02: You are the person that knows boxing.
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SPEAKER_02: Break this down for me.
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SPEAKER_02: How easy is it to hit Ryan with a right hand?
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SPEAKER_00: It's not easy.
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SPEAKER_00: And the reason why is...
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SPEAKER_00: Yes, he does stand up tall.
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SPEAKER_00: And yes, he is straight up like a stick.
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SPEAKER_00: But he keeps his left hook loaded and ready to just whip out.
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SPEAKER_00: And it's really fast and has a lot of snap, right?
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SPEAKER_00: So because of that, he can throw it from different angles.
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SPEAKER_00: He can throw it coming towards you.
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SPEAKER_00: He can throw it leaning away from you.
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SPEAKER_00: So he's really perfected that.
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SPEAKER_00: So it really makes you keep the right hand at home if you're smart.
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SPEAKER_00: The people that have tried to,
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SPEAKER_00: okay, you know what, I'm going to try to beat them with the right hand.
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SPEAKER_00: They've paid for that, right?
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SPEAKER_00: They paid for it dearly, catching left hooks on the chin.
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SPEAKER_00: The two guys that gave them a hard time, other than Roley, right?
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SPEAKER_00: But Devontae and Luke Campbell...
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SPEAKER_00: They're both lefties, and they caught them with, you know, like left hands.
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SPEAKER_00: So that is, you know, and they're keeping their front hands up to protect from that left hook.
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SPEAKER_00: And that's really, really the difference.
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SPEAKER_02: So I kind of think of Ryan Garcia as a messed up Tommy Hearns.
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SPEAKER_02: He kind of reminds me of like a King Cobra snake.
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SPEAKER_02: Is that a fair comparison, or do you think he's more flawed?
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SPEAKER_00: I think he's much more flawed than...
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SPEAKER_00: I think Hearns had a much better overall game.
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SPEAKER_00: Especially, you know, coming from Kronk and Manuel Stewart.
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SPEAKER_00: Yeah, Hearns is an all-time great, right?
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SPEAKER_00: Hearns is an all-time great.
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SPEAKER_00: So, you know, you comparing Ryan Garcia to Thomas Hearns Is giving Garcia a lot of credit.
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SPEAKER_00: Not that he doesn't deserve it, but it's still too early to say right now if he does deserve it.
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SPEAKER_02: I get what you're saying.
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SPEAKER_02: I guess I'm saying in terms of guys that don't sit down low,
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SPEAKER_02: they stand a little taller to derive power.
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SPEAKER_02: It's just Burns was more a combination puncher.
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SPEAKER_02: I think he was more deadly.
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SPEAKER_02: He could punch at more ranges.
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SPEAKER_02: Ryan has to catch you from outside to that mid-range, I feel.
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SPEAKER_01: Yeah.
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SPEAKER_00: I've seen Brian hit people with short hooks,
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SPEAKER_00: like kind of when guys are coming in, you know, catch them with the hook coming in.
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SPEAKER_00: Just like a little like check hook, like not quite a check hook, but something similar to it.
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SPEAKER_00: Hearns definitely could, you know, fight at more ranges.
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SPEAKER_00: He was definitely better at long and mid range.
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SPEAKER_00: And if he connected with,
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SPEAKER_00: The straight right hand or, you know, a mid-range right hand, that would be curtain.
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SPEAKER_00: It's curtain for you, right?
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SPEAKER_00: The one person that he caught flush with a right hand that didn't go down was Hagler.
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SPEAKER_00: And, you know, Hagler's chin was, you know, made of kryptonite or something.
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SPEAKER_02: I think that was also, like,
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SPEAKER_02: John Pullman always tells me,
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SPEAKER_02: like, there's some guys that on some nights decide they're not going down.
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SPEAKER_02: And I think Hagler made a decision on that night, I'm not going down.
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SPEAKER_02: Or anything.
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SPEAKER_00: Yeah.
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SPEAKER_02: Yeah.
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SPEAKER_02: We just saw that with Hergovic, right?
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SPEAKER_02: Hergovic made that decision.
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SPEAKER_02: He's like, I'm just going to take this one on the chin, and it paid off for him.
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SPEAKER_00: Yeah, and you know,
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SPEAKER_00: that's funny because someone asked me about that fight, and I said, you know what?
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SPEAKER_00: Hergovic can get through the first four and a half, five rounds.
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SPEAKER_00: He has a great chance of winning.
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SPEAKER_00: I don't know if he'll win the fight,
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SPEAKER_00: so I'm not going to say that I picked him,
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SPEAKER_00: but I really thought that if he can get through the early part of the fight,
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SPEAKER_00: that's And he had a good chance of winning.
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SPEAKER_02: So back to Ryan, is he trying to bait you into landing this right hand?
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SPEAKER_02: Like, is that a story?
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SPEAKER_02: Is that a goal?
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SPEAKER_00: Yeah, absolutely.
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SPEAKER_00: You know,
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SPEAKER_00: because, I mean,
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SPEAKER_00: he has different ways of setting it up, but that is, that is his bread and butter.
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SPEAKER_00: You know,
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SPEAKER_00: he's like,
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SPEAKER_00: we'll stand up and kind of like show you his chin and he's trying,
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SPEAKER_00: he wants you to throw that right hand so he can hook over it.
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SPEAKER_00: Right.
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SPEAKER_00: Um, Who else was it?
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SPEAKER_00: The way he does it, he throws a shorter hook.
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SPEAKER_00: Just like you, I don't want to compare Ryan
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SPEAKER_00: to an all-time great right now or to a great.
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SPEAKER_00: Much like when Nonito knocked out Montiel, And Montel threw that right hand.
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SPEAKER_00: Nonito caught him with the left hook.
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SPEAKER_00: The right hand kind of grazed Nonito.
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SPEAKER_00: And Nonito caught him with that hook right in the temple.
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SPEAKER_00: Similar to that.
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SPEAKER_00: Ryan Garcia wants you to throw that right hand.
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SPEAKER_00: He's like, go ahead and throw it.
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SPEAKER_00: I dare you.
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SPEAKER_00: I dare you to throw it.
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SPEAKER_00: And if you take the bait, he usually can make you pay.
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SPEAKER_02: Is there like a mindset there where he's like, I can beat you to the punch?
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SPEAKER_02: Or is he like deceptive and setting traps at his ranges?
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SPEAKER_00: Um, it's a little of both.
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SPEAKER_00: Um, I mean,
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SPEAKER_00: and that's the thing,
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SPEAKER_00: you know, Ryan's,
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SPEAKER_00: you know,
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SPEAKER_00: won a lot of fights and got to where,
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SPEAKER_00: and people say, you know, people would like discredit him and say, he's not good.
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SPEAKER_00: And you don't get to that level if you're not good.
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SPEAKER_00: Right.
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SPEAKER_00: Um, With the amateur pedigree that he had and all the pro fights and the people
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SPEAKER_00: that he's beaten as a pro, if you're not good, you don't do that.
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SPEAKER_00: Part of it is that he's setting you up and he's looking for it.
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SPEAKER_00: He's setting you up and yes,
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SPEAKER_00: he's laying traps and just throughout the course of the fight,
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SPEAKER_00: he's getting your timing and You know,
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SPEAKER_00: showing you different looks of, you know, his body positioning.
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SPEAKER_00: And like, OK, let me see.
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SPEAKER_00: Let me see how close I can get to you before you try to fire this right hand.
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SPEAKER_00: And you fire your right hand and he'll like, OK, I think I can catch you with the hook there.
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SPEAKER_00: And he'll kind of keep playing with different distances until he lines up the one that he wants.
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SPEAKER_00: And then, you know, a lot of times he catches guys that way.
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SPEAKER_02: Let me use another expression from the OG Bobby Benton
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SPEAKER_02: where there's only two punches, straight punches and curved ones.
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SPEAKER_02: And I think that Ryan does the toughest thing,
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SPEAKER_02: the Navarrete thing, where some of his curved punches come from the ground up.
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SPEAKER_02: Do you think he does that and he obscures the eye where it's harder
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SPEAKER_02: to see those punches from the ground up in exchanges?
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SPEAKER_00: Yeah, I mean, he will kind of shovel his hookup at times.
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SPEAKER_00: Yeah.
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SPEAKER_00: And the thing about it is he throws a pretty good left hook to the body and
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SPEAKER_00: then will shovel it up from there.
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SPEAKER_00: And that was the thing when he fought Luke Campbell.
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SPEAKER_00: I was like, okay, Luke's going to get him.
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SPEAKER_00: And I said,
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SPEAKER_00: you just got to kind of slow down and quit trying to fire that left hand all
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SPEAKER_00: the time.
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SPEAKER_00: You're just trying to kill him.
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SPEAKER_00: You just got to slow down,
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SPEAKER_00: take your time,
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SPEAKER_00: really tuck in your elbows and line up good shots before you start firing him.
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SPEAKER_00: If you just go crazy, you're going to give Garcia, time to come back.
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SPEAKER_00: And then,
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SPEAKER_00: you know,
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SPEAKER_00: Garcia caught him with that body shot,
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SPEAKER_00: boom, and shoveling up left hooks to the head from that body shot.
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SPEAKER_00: So, yeah, yes,
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SPEAKER_00: he does kind of like will hide it,
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SPEAKER_00: throwing it in an upward motion because,
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SPEAKER_00: you know, that left hook to the body is lethal, too.
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SPEAKER_02: I learned about that with Navarrete and Ruben Villa.
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SPEAKER_02: I thought in a million years,
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SPEAKER_02: Ruben would never lose to Navarrete,
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SPEAKER_02: and it was those darn punches from the ground up.
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SPEAKER_02: It's like those tricky, awkward shots.
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SPEAKER_00: Yeah.
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SPEAKER_00: You know what?
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SPEAKER_00: I can't... Well, I don't know why his name is slipping my mind right now.
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SPEAKER_00: The kid from Africa that was an Olympian that Navarrete beat for the title.
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SPEAKER_02: Isaac Dogbe.
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SPEAKER_00: Yes.
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SPEAKER_00: I didn't...
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SPEAKER_00: I also didn't think that Navarrete would be Dog Bay when,
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SPEAKER_00: you know, because I didn't know who Navarrete was, but then I saw that.
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SPEAKER_00: I was like, oh,
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SPEAKER_00: this guy's like awkward and strong,
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SPEAKER_00: you know,
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SPEAKER_00: and he throws punches that shouldn't hit anybody,
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SPEAKER_00: but they are landing and they land with force, right?
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SPEAKER_00: So sometimes,
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SPEAKER_00: you know,
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SPEAKER_00: guys with that awkward style and,
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SPEAKER_00: you know,
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SPEAKER_00: a lot of like strength,
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SPEAKER_00: Can can really negate like just a lot of good technical skills.
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SPEAKER_02: I'm hoping I would go visit my guy Shock Foster for his camp with Navarrete.
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SPEAKER_02: I'm curious to see how he trains because I really like Shock's mindset and I respect Navarrete.
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SPEAKER_02: And I think this might be the camp to visit.
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SPEAKER_02: Like, what do you think when a fighter goes into a high level camp like that?
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SPEAKER_02: Is that the one to go see?
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SPEAKER_00: Yeah, for sure.
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SPEAKER_00: I would like to see Foster, how he prepares and gets ready to fight.
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SPEAKER_00: Is he in training in Houston?
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SPEAKER_02: Houston, yeah.
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SPEAKER_02: I know he does 1,000 push-ups a day.
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SPEAKER_02: 1,000?
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SPEAKER_02: Or something like that.
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SPEAKER_02: Yeah, he's pretty gnarly.
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SPEAKER_00: That's pretty crazy.
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SPEAKER_00: 1,000 push-ups.
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SPEAKER_00: I mean, I know people that do 1,000 sit-ups, but 1,000 push-ups is a lot.
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SPEAKER_00: Yeah.
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SPEAKER_02: The thing I've heard about him,
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SPEAKER_02: I've never seen him in the gym, is that you have to pull him back.
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SPEAKER_02: He's one of those guys where you got to tell him do less.
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SPEAKER_00: He'll overtrain.
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SPEAKER_02: Leave him to his own devices and he'll do too much.
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SPEAKER_00: He's a bad dude, though.
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SPEAKER_00: I have been very impressed by him.
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SPEAKER_02: High IQ fighter,
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SPEAKER_02: but I think the thing that impresses me the most about Shock is he took a couple
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SPEAKER_02: of losses and he never got down on himself.
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SPEAKER_02: He got back to the, you know?
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SPEAKER_00: Yeah, absolutely.
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SPEAKER_00: And, you know,
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SPEAKER_00: it's funny,
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SPEAKER_00: he took some losses and,
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SPEAKER_00: you know,
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SPEAKER_00: you think that, okay,
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SPEAKER_00: they're going to put him at the end of the line and he's going to kind of fade away,
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SPEAKER_00: but he just was not letting that happen.
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SPEAKER_02: So here's the rest of the once a week podcast.
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SPEAKER_02: Let's go through some of your questions.
11:09
SPEAKER_02: I have an internet issue, so this is going to be in multiple parts.
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SPEAKER_02: Also, for those listening, try to tell me if my audio sounds better.
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SPEAKER_02: I'm working with an audio engineer and hopefully this sounds better.
11:22
SPEAKER_02: What was the criticism about Ben Davison for Fabio Wardley and Jamie TKV?
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SPEAKER_02: I don't trust any boxer with Ben Davidson.
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SPEAKER_02: Maybe only Shabazz Musad up to the domestic level.
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SPEAKER_02: So, so far in the chat, Moses Atoma's coach, Ben Davidson, is getting harsh criticism.
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SPEAKER_02: I think a lot of the criticism, too,
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SPEAKER_02: comes from the fact that he's a young guy who got vaulted into a dream job position,
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SPEAKER_02: which is basically celebrity trainer, genius, boxing aficionado.
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SPEAKER_02: About seven years ago,
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SPEAKER_02: at a fairly early point in his life, he got basically in this high profile position.
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SPEAKER_02: Wardley not throwing in the towel quick enough.
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SPEAKER_02: He's also been criticized for throwing it in too soon.
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SPEAKER_02: TKV.
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SPEAKER_02: He trained out of Davidson's gym for his victory against Clark,
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SPEAKER_02: where he nearly stopped him in the championship rounds.
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SPEAKER_02: Are we just ignoring Fury, Taylor and Saunders and other fighters without the issues?
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SPEAKER_02: I thought your initial point was a trend across divisions.
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SPEAKER_02: Some divisive comments going back and forth actually in the comment section
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SPEAKER_02: where some people are really defending Davison and saying this is an Atoma issue or
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SPEAKER_02: a certain one.
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SPEAKER_02: And Wardley and Fury, two heavyweights who hadn't had stamina issues.
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SPEAKER_02: He also trained Lee Wood.
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SPEAKER_02: Okay, I'm not denying that he's very suspect for sure, but he did a superb job with Lee Wood.
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SPEAKER_02: Went from losing to Jazza Dickens to winning the world title twice.
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SPEAKER_02: Did a great job at getting the final.
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SPEAKER_02: I watched that at a Kareem Mayfield media day in Fillmore, which is in San Francisco.
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SPEAKER_02: It's where Kareem's from.
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SPEAKER_02: And I watched it with Jeff Reel, who's a good boxing coach and a dear friend of mine.
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SPEAKER_02: And Jeff and me were very impressed with Parker in that fight.
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SPEAKER_02: Maybe I should go back and watch it.
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SPEAKER_02: Let me know in the comments section if you'd like me to do a watch along.
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SPEAKER_02: That might be really boring,
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SPEAKER_02: but I could do a watch along and maybe do a live stream watching the fight
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SPEAKER_02: or what have you and score the fight, etc.
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SPEAKER_02: But I remember that being like a 7-5 fight and that being a fight that really kind
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SPEAKER_02: of ruined Joshua's confidence
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SPEAKER_02: because he was getting basic punches were getting parried and he didn't have
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SPEAKER_02: that ability to just be reckless.
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SPEAKER_02: Ben Davidson was also with Pat McCormick.
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SPEAKER_02: Pat McCormick's name always trips me up because I went to middle school with Pat McCormick.
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SPEAKER_02: So we see a trend across weight divisions of a lack of stamina.
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SPEAKER_02: Also in the comments section, Zurgreb is the capital of Croatia.
14:07
SPEAKER_02: So I mean, growing boxing should include expanding into UK non-USA markets.
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SPEAKER_02: I agree.
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SPEAKER_02: Look, I think that we need to expand to wherever people are winning
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SPEAKER_02: because that's how you get the growth.
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SPEAKER_02: Are we underrating Hergovic?
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SPEAKER_02: It's important to consider outside factors.
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SPEAKER_02: For example, wasn't Hergovic knocked out on his feet versus Dubois?
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SPEAKER_02: And Dubois fought with Well,
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SPEAKER_02: I mean, that's, I think that's a little dismissive of what Dubois did in that fight.
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SPEAKER_02: In that match, Hergovic said later he was sick.
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SPEAKER_02: I mean, guys always say things like this,
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SPEAKER_02: so I'm not going to fully, and this was when his father died.
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SPEAKER_02: If you listen to the post-Itama match interview,
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SPEAKER_02: you can see how much the death of his father impacted Phillip.
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SPEAKER_02: If you're going to credit someone like Arnold Barbosa Jr.
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SPEAKER_02: for doing just enough to win, then you should treat Hergovic the same.
14:56
SPEAKER_02: We're treating Atama like a video game character.
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SPEAKER_02: Hergovic is not a boss in a Nintendo game.
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SPEAKER_02: If Atama did something different, Hergovic would also do something different.
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SPEAKER_02: People are claiming that Atama should have just boxed from round three and won
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SPEAKER_02: a unanimous decision.
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SPEAKER_02: I disagree with that because I don't think it's in Atama's nature to do that.
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SPEAKER_02: I don't think he could.
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SPEAKER_02: As if Abel Sanchez and Hergovic are imbeciles who do not know how to count.
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SPEAKER_02: If Atama boxed from round three,
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SPEAKER_02: Hergovic would have still turned up the pressure at some point from round eight,
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SPEAKER_02: and he would have selectively turned up the burst in round three to seven.
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SPEAKER_02: What they are missing is that Atama has fast hands, but he does not have that power.
15:37
SPEAKER_02: What happens to boxers without power in a 12 round match?
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SPEAKER_02: Well, I think with Atama is what happens to boxers who are very explosive and rely
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SPEAKER_02: on speed, quickness, and that in turn.
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SPEAKER_02: Creates the power.
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SPEAKER_02: And when that starts to slow down,
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SPEAKER_02: because we've never seen someone who's quick and explosive for 12 rounds in
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SPEAKER_02: a sustained fashion.
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SPEAKER_02: How do you get to the 12 rounds with that style?
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SPEAKER_02: Because you're going to dramatically probably slow down.
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SPEAKER_02: And then all of a sudden,
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SPEAKER_02: I think your opponent's going to gain confidence when you're not there.
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SPEAKER_02: I think it's troubling for Atama, right?
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SPEAKER_02: Because Hergovic, yes,
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SPEAKER_02: I think he's getting probably underrated,
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SPEAKER_02: but I think there's another thing I can't help but see is for eight rounds,
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SPEAKER_02: he was dramatically losing a fight.
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SPEAKER_02: For eight rounds, he was not really that competitive.
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SPEAKER_02: He was taking shots, but he was staying in it.
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SPEAKER_02: He was showing toughness and he was showing a will to compete.
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SPEAKER_02: And then Atama...
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SPEAKER_02: Slowed down.
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SPEAKER_02: He slowed down from an inability to really pace himself, inexperience, so forth and so on.
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SPEAKER_02: And then Hergiv gets the stoppage.
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SPEAKER_02: I don't really see him.
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SPEAKER_02: I see this win more so,
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SPEAKER_02: and maybe I'm going to be wrong, but the way I see it is like Kambosis beating...
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SPEAKER_02: Teofimo Lopez.
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SPEAKER_02: Um, but I think Kambosis did, had a more emphatic win in that sense.
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SPEAKER_02: But to me, it feels like Hergivik probably won't ever win.
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SPEAKER_02: This is just me talking right now.
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SPEAKER_02: We'll never win another high profile fight,
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SPEAKER_02: but because he beat Atama,
17:12
SPEAKER_02: he's always going to be like a really big name going into it.
17:15
SPEAKER_02: But like against Kabayel, I don't see it being all that competitive.
17:20
SPEAKER_02: Um, I mean, I think Dubois is a bad matchup for him.
17:25
SPEAKER_02: And those are like the top guys.
17:26
SPEAKER_02: And Frank Sanchez,
17:27
SPEAKER_02: I think,
17:27
SPEAKER_02: is a really bad matchup because I think Hergovic,
17:30
SPEAKER_02: his feet aren't going to be able to keep up with him.
17:32
SPEAKER_02: But look, he's put himself in a position where...
17:35
SPEAKER_02: He's worthy of the shot to see where he sits in the division.
17:39
SPEAKER_02: So give him that and credit him that.
17:42
SPEAKER_02: Rewatch the match and listen to the corners advice from Abel Sanchez.
17:46
SPEAKER_02: After the early rounds,
17:47
SPEAKER_02: Sanchez tells Hergovic to wait for Otama to gas out or Otama is gassing out.
17:51
SPEAKER_02: Well, Abel's the man.
17:52
SPEAKER_02: Abel is a good coach.
17:54
SPEAKER_02: Sanchez might have also advised Hergovic to do a little more to help Otoma get there.
18:00
SPEAKER_02: So that is what I meant by the game plan was to wait for Otoma to gas out.
18:04
SPEAKER_02: Hergovic also said later that Otoma didn't have power.
18:07
SPEAKER_02: It looked worse than it was.
18:09
SPEAKER_02: Even the round two knockdown was just Hergovic touching to maintain his balance.
18:14
SPEAKER_02: Yeah, I think that like the issue with Otoma really reminds me of Jared Anderson
18:21
SPEAKER_02: and Edgar Berlanga.
18:23
SPEAKER_02: Where there was real fear based around what they were capable of doing.
18:27
SPEAKER_02: And then once that fear isn't around as much anymore,
18:33
SPEAKER_02: it's going to be hard to get it back, right?
18:36
SPEAKER_02: Remember when Jared Anderson came out as the Grinch and he did the thing
18:40
SPEAKER_02: and he beat up, I think it was Jerry Forrest.
18:42
SPEAKER_02: And it's like, wow, this guy's super cool.
18:44
SPEAKER_02: And then life moved on.
18:49
SPEAKER_02: You know,
18:50
SPEAKER_02: because Jared's never really been able once he once he started fighting those full
18:54
SPEAKER_02: sized heavyweights.
18:55
SPEAKER_02: I think that's another thing that we didn't really touch on
18:57
SPEAKER_02: that much is Bergovic is pretty much the first near prime.
19:02
SPEAKER_02: He's a modern heavyweight that Atuma fought, you know, that wasn't like washed.
19:08
SPEAKER_02: And that was an issue for him, you know.
19:11
SPEAKER_02: But I think the thing was,
19:13
SPEAKER_02: there was real belief that Atuma could win a fight like this and make a ton
19:17
SPEAKER_02: of money.
19:18
SPEAKER_02: And instead,
19:19
SPEAKER_02: he lost a fight like this,
19:20
SPEAKER_02: and now he has to dig down deep,
19:23
SPEAKER_02: and his confidence has to recharge quickly,
19:26
SPEAKER_02: and he has to prove that he is a championship merit fighter who can get
19:30
SPEAKER_02: the job done.
19:32
SPEAKER_02: More questions.
19:34
SPEAKER_02: I was telling you Zufa would get Vlad Panin a stay busy match next.
19:39
SPEAKER_02: Yeah, but his stay busy match could be an F around and find out.
19:43
SPEAKER_02: He's taking on Dakota Linger.
19:44
SPEAKER_02: And I don't really love Dakota Linger for anybody that we're not fully invested in.
19:50
SPEAKER_02: I know Vlad is a pretty solid fighter.
19:54
SPEAKER_02: Um, Dakota Linger,
19:55
SPEAKER_02: obviously he's,
19:57
SPEAKER_02: he's famous for his knockout wins over Kurt Scobie and,
20:01
SPEAKER_02: uh, obviously stopping Josue Vargas.
20:04
SPEAKER_02: I think he's the last person to stop Josue Vargas.
20:07
SPEAKER_02: I think after he stopped Josue Vargas, Josue Vargas never fought again.
20:10
SPEAKER_02: Yeah.
20:11
SPEAKER_02: Josue Vargas has been inactive for four years and essentially is a retired fighter
20:16
SPEAKER_02: at this point, I would say.
20:19
SPEAKER_02: Vlad's losses in his career come to Brian Agustin Ariguayo split decision in 2025,
20:28
SPEAKER_02: which not a great loss on paper.
20:31
SPEAKER_02: And then before that, Moises Fuentes.
20:33
SPEAKER_02: So he's lost to guys who I wouldn't say are outstanding fighters.
20:40
SPEAKER_02: He's on a little bit of a run.
20:42
SPEAKER_02: You know, he has a big win over Chouinard Bunche.
20:46
SPEAKER_02: That's a pretty good win, but super bad Vlad has a real kind of crossroads fight.
20:54
SPEAKER_02: I don't see this as a stay busy fight,
20:55
SPEAKER_02: but I've been really off probably because I'm probably not as engaged
20:59
SPEAKER_02: as I should have been in boxing.
21:01
SPEAKER_02: Lukie, you really need to stop falling for propaganda.
21:04
SPEAKER_02: I'm sorry, guys.
21:05
SPEAKER_02: First, Isaac Lucero.
21:06
SPEAKER_02: Although,
21:07
SPEAKER_02: to be fair,
21:07
SPEAKER_02: Lucero wasn't as much propaganda as I was in the gym with Bob Santos watching Lucero
21:13
SPEAKER_02: and I was impressed what he did.
21:15
SPEAKER_02: And then you fell for Alan Chavez, written as Alan Sanchez, but I get it, Alan Chavez.
21:21
SPEAKER_02: Chavez, you know, that was more so...
21:26
SPEAKER_02: I remember Miguel Maduno from Thompson Boxing Shows,
21:30
SPEAKER_02: and I really remembered him as a durable guy.
21:33
SPEAKER_02: I knew we gave Keyshawn Davis rounds,
21:35
SPEAKER_02: and for a guy to knock him out in a few rounds really stood out to me.
21:39
SPEAKER_02: And I was just shocked at his inability to understand lateral movement.
21:45
SPEAKER_02: I mean, it looked like he was tricked and duped and deceived
21:49
SPEAKER_02: by just very basic lateral movement.
21:53
SPEAKER_02: To put it frankly,
21:54
SPEAKER_02: it's shocking that someone could have a performance at such a high level with
21:58
SPEAKER_02: a knockout that was so exciting and then basically look like a fighter who is
22:05
SPEAKER_02: a six-round novice fighter in his neck.
22:07
SPEAKER_02: I'm expecting him to weigh in over 290 pounds in a few hours.
22:11
SPEAKER_02: I mean, Dave Allen, for those that didn't see, there was a fight with him and Thomas Carty.
22:15
SPEAKER_02: It's the fun, the big guy in the bar fight.
22:17
SPEAKER_02: We love a big guy in the bar fight, brother.
22:32
SPEAKER_02: And what ended up happening was they clinched.
22:37
SPEAKER_02: Dave Allen hit him.
22:39
SPEAKER_02: Some people say it was to the back of the head.
22:41
SPEAKER_02: Some will say it's to the temple and just look like Cardi went out on his feet.
22:44
SPEAKER_02: Allen moved to turn him to break up the clinch and Cardi appeared to be out there.
22:50
SPEAKER_02: And just fell through the ropes, fights over, just really disappointing.
22:53
SPEAKER_02: Fight we never have to see again.
22:56
SPEAKER_02: Put one of them in with Moises Atuma next, and the other one can go to another prospect.
23:02
SPEAKER_02: Not that great.
23:03
SPEAKER_02: Now we got the legendary film study.
23:07
SPEAKER_02: Abel...
23:08
SPEAKER_02: Abel Gonzalez, how does he box?
23:11
SPEAKER_02: And Raul Solomon boxes.
23:13
SPEAKER_02: Solomon just to come for a boxer.
23:14
SPEAKER_02: Let's look at these highlights.
23:16
SPEAKER_02: I'm checking out.
23:17
SPEAKER_02: I think this is Daniel Blankus.
23:19
SPEAKER_02: And Blankus,
23:20
SPEAKER_02: for those that don't know,
23:21
SPEAKER_02: when I first started at ProBoxTV News in August 2022,
23:26
SPEAKER_02: which is basically a little over four years ago.
23:30
SPEAKER_02: Shout out to that.
23:33
SPEAKER_02: Blancus was one of the guys who was there on the Pro Box TV up-and-comers.
23:38
SPEAKER_02: He kind of fell by the wayside along with Jacob Gomez-Zayas.
23:45
SPEAKER_02: Those two kind of just disappeared.
23:48
SPEAKER_02: But Blankes is someone that I did get familiar with early on.
23:52
SPEAKER_02: He felt like the third era of the tall super middleweight.
23:56
SPEAKER_02: It's like you got Benavidez,
23:58
SPEAKER_02: you got Diego Pacheco, and then it felt like Blankes was the next one.
24:02
SPEAKER_02: Okay, so let's...
24:02
SPEAKER_02: I've been doing enough talking.
24:05
SPEAKER_02: Someone's got a nice looping overhand right from the pocket, and that's Daniel Blankus.
24:09
SPEAKER_02: So with Solomon, what I'm noticing is it's a low punch output, a high guard volume.
24:16
SPEAKER_02: He comes in square,
24:18
SPEAKER_02: but he's pretty good at protecting himself, and he's going to punch with you.
24:22
SPEAKER_02: So he's not going to be tricky.
24:24
SPEAKER_02: He's going to be tricky to a certain extent because he's going to force you
24:28
SPEAKER_02: to either engage with him And to punch with him.
24:34
SPEAKER_02: And he will punch with you.
24:36
SPEAKER_02: But he's coming forward.
24:37
SPEAKER_02: I think he's more than just a come forward fighter because he's got balls,
24:41
SPEAKER_02: but he's able to block shots.
24:44
SPEAKER_02: So.
24:46
SPEAKER_02: Really, it's about his durability,
24:48
SPEAKER_02: because a guy like this can only be durable for so long, right?
24:52
SPEAKER_02: Because.
24:54
SPEAKER_02: Every fight is going to be a hard fight at the world class level for Raul Solomon.
24:57
SPEAKER_02: But Daniel Blancas is a pretty good fighter.
25:01
SPEAKER_02: And Solomon's given him a really, really hard fight here.
25:04
SPEAKER_02: You know, Blancas is having to show a little bit of everything and he's having to fight back.
25:09
SPEAKER_02: And really exert a lot of energy for kind of a guy that you might look at
25:13
SPEAKER_02: and be like, okay, this is a gatekeeper type opponent.
25:16
SPEAKER_02: And Solomon in many ways, it just looks like he doesn't quite have the tools to win.
25:21
SPEAKER_02: It looks almost like he's freestyling,
25:23
SPEAKER_02: like he just goes, kind of trains himself or he has a buddy.
25:26
SPEAKER_02: And maybe he's gone to some really high level camps,
25:29
SPEAKER_02: but it seems like he's lacking that one little thing.
25:32
SPEAKER_02: He knows how to survive,
25:34
SPEAKER_02: but he doesn't necessarily know how to win rounds,
25:37
SPEAKER_02: which makes him kind of a good test for up-and-comers in this position.
25:41
SPEAKER_02: But the dangerous thing about him is he's able to stay in that mid-range.
25:48
SPEAKER_02: He's able to block punches and he'll throw punches back and not everybody's comfortable.
25:53
SPEAKER_02: And he throws punches in combinations, especially when guys get on the ropes.
25:57
SPEAKER_02: And that's something a lot of young fighters aren't used to.
26:00
SPEAKER_02: And he does like he'll throw a jab.
26:01
SPEAKER_02: He throws a good right hand there, but he'll throw untraditional combos.
26:04
SPEAKER_02: He'll lead with the left hook.
26:06
SPEAKER_02: And when you put yourself on the ropes, he's a Mexican fighter.
26:09
SPEAKER_02: That's the big thing I was always taught in the gym was Mexican fighters.
26:13
SPEAKER_02: When you go to the ropes,
26:14
SPEAKER_02: you got to be careful because that's where 99% of their stick is,
26:18
SPEAKER_02: is when they get to the ropes.
26:19
SPEAKER_02: So when you get to the ropes, it looks like Solomon throws a lot more punches.
26:25
SPEAKER_02: Pretty physical hombre, to be honest.
26:30
SPEAKER_02: Let's go back to this.
26:31
SPEAKER_02: So, okay.
26:33
SPEAKER_02: Tyler Howard versus Raul Suleman.
26:38
SPEAKER_02: I think this was a, so this is the OTX Boxing,
26:44
SPEAKER_02: OTX Boxing 2.
26:48
SPEAKER_01: So we're going to see how this goes.
26:54
SPEAKER_01: Okay.
27:00
SPEAKER_01: Tyler Herk Howard.
27:04
SPEAKER_01: Texted Bobby Benton.
27:09
SPEAKER_02: I mean, Solomon's a pretty good fighter.
27:11
SPEAKER_02: You know, he's just like one of these guys that probably had to stay in a boxing gym.
27:17
SPEAKER_02: He had to take hard fights because he just didn't have the financial path
27:22
SPEAKER_02: to not take hard fights.
27:23
SPEAKER_02: Like if he was going to be a boxer, he had to take hard fights to stay in the sport as a pro.
27:29
SPEAKER_02: He didn't have the backing to do it.
27:34
SPEAKER_02: Let's see.
27:35
SPEAKER_02: Looking because it says saved by the bell.
27:39
SPEAKER_02: Okay.
27:42
SPEAKER_02: Let's see.
27:43
SPEAKER_02: I mean, Suleman is a...
27:45
SPEAKER_02: I would say he's more than a come-forward fighter.
27:47
SPEAKER_02: He's a puncher.
27:48
SPEAKER_02: He's a little bit of a puncher because both Blankus and Tyler Herc Howard is
27:53
SPEAKER_02: a real puncher, too.
27:54
SPEAKER_02: And it seems like Herc is kind of boxing a little bit, too.
27:59
SPEAKER_02: So this is a puncher.
28:02
SPEAKER_01: Yeah, I think...
28:07
SPEAKER_01: Let's see, I'm looking for the knockdown here.
28:14
SPEAKER_01: Let's see the comments.
28:17
SPEAKER_02: A lot of people in the comments feel that Solomon should have won the fight.
28:24
SPEAKER_02: Okay, here's another one.
28:25
SPEAKER_02: Let's see, another piece of tape on him, Raul Solomon.
28:32
SPEAKER_02: A Marv Nation fight card.
28:35
SPEAKER_02: Looks like he's the A-side with Marv Nation.
28:37
SPEAKER_02: Whatever happened to Marv Nation?
28:39
SPEAKER_02: Seems like they disappeared.
28:42
SPEAKER_02: So basically he's, Raul Suleiman is like an A-side level regional fighter.
28:47
SPEAKER_02: Who, when he moved up, couldn't quite win the fights.
28:51
SPEAKER_02: But he's real physical tough.
28:52
SPEAKER_02: And he probably has heavier hands than you expect.
28:54
SPEAKER_02: I'm not going to watch this Marv Nation card.
28:57
SPEAKER_02: Because he's too strong and too big.
29:00
SPEAKER_02: And this other guy's just outgunned.
29:02
SPEAKER_02: And it's just him walking the guy down.
29:05
SPEAKER_02: Let's see what we got with Abel Gonzalez.
29:07
SPEAKER_02: I believe Abel Gonzalez.
29:10
SPEAKER_02: And I'm going to double check this.
29:11
SPEAKER_02: I believe he's with Keith Conley.
29:13
SPEAKER_02: So let's check this.
29:14
SPEAKER_02: So if that's the case...
29:17
SPEAKER_02: He is with Keith Conley and Ryan Rickey.
29:19
SPEAKER_02: So he's someone that you would think probably is on the card
29:25
SPEAKER_02: because Connor Ben shares the same manager and it's a big opportunity for him.
29:29
SPEAKER_02: So this is fight against Robert McGee.
29:34
SPEAKER_02: And the first thing I'm noticing about...
29:36
SPEAKER_02: Abel Gonzalez is he has faster reflexes.
29:39
SPEAKER_02: So he's like, he jabs, he gets off the line, he does stuff.
29:42
SPEAKER_02: But the one thing I'll notice here with him is he jabs,
29:45
SPEAKER_02: he gets off the line, but he can't combination punch.
29:48
SPEAKER_02: So early on,
29:48
SPEAKER_02: his temperament is jab,
29:50
SPEAKER_02: get off the line,
29:51
SPEAKER_02: look to counter, look to counter, look to counter, look to counter.
29:53
SPEAKER_02: Okay, I've seen enough of the first round.
29:55
SPEAKER_02: Let's go into the middle rounds.
29:57
SPEAKER_02: See, still the third round, no combination punching.
30:01
SPEAKER_02: He's very much a fast, quick,
30:04
SPEAKER_02: reflexive fighter who wants you to initiate and he wants to pick his shots like
30:08
SPEAKER_02: a sharpshooter in exchanges.
30:11
SPEAKER_02: Could be really good for Raul Suleman or it could be really bad
30:14
SPEAKER_02: because guys like this go one of two ways.
30:16
SPEAKER_02: They either become concussive punchers who do really good or they get outworked.
30:20
SPEAKER_02: I'm sure that having a manager like Keith Conley,
30:24
SPEAKER_02: the word on the curb is that he's really, really done something impressive.
30:28
SPEAKER_02: Because to have a manager like that, you have to have done something that means something.
30:33
SPEAKER_02: I can see now in the fifth,
30:34
SPEAKER_02: he's physically breaking down McGee, and he's not really even breathing hard.
30:39
SPEAKER_02: So he's just able to break a guy down pretty patiently.
30:46
SPEAKER_02: Just the thing that stands out to me in this fight is the lack of combination punching.
30:51
SPEAKER_02: Okay, let's see.
30:52
SPEAKER_02: Al Santon, let's see.
30:54
SPEAKER_02: This is a Pro Box TV card.
30:55
SPEAKER_02: I probably covered it, to be honest with you.
30:58
SPEAKER_02: I probably covered this one live.
31:00
SPEAKER_02: I bet you if you look in the archive, I covered this one live.
31:06
SPEAKER_02: I mean, he just had too much...
31:08
SPEAKER_02: There's not much to take from that.
31:10
SPEAKER_02: He just has too much power and...
31:14
SPEAKER_02: Okay, so he's got the Mondo Boxing on.
31:17
SPEAKER_02: One thing I'll notice here in the training footage that I got sent
31:19
SPEAKER_02: on Mondo Boxing is when he throws some of his jabs,
31:23
SPEAKER_02: he doesn't extend the jab all the way.
31:25
SPEAKER_02: Let me see.
31:28
SPEAKER_02: Yeah, he kind of like pushes the jab.
31:30
SPEAKER_02: He kind of pushes it and it doesn't straighten.
31:34
SPEAKER_02: I don't know if that's an intentional thing.
31:35
SPEAKER_02: He really throws a nice left hook.
31:37
SPEAKER_02: He turns it over.
31:38
SPEAKER_02: But I don't love his jab.
31:40
SPEAKER_02: That's kind of interesting.
31:41
SPEAKER_02: It seems a lot like his style is all about reflexes, though, when I watch it.
31:46
SPEAKER_02: Like he's throwing a lot of one punches at a time.
31:49
SPEAKER_02: Looking for shots.
31:51
SPEAKER_02: He's looking to fit punches in windows.
31:53
SPEAKER_02: It doesn't, like when I even see him doing mitts, he's like looking to land one punch.
31:58
SPEAKER_02: He's not even, like when he throws combinations, they're kind of slower combinations.
32:02
SPEAKER_02: He's more deliberate.
32:04
SPEAKER_02: He's also working out in the middle of a field too, which is interesting.
32:07
SPEAKER_02: He's not a combination puncher.
32:09
SPEAKER_02: He can throw a good right jab, cross,
32:13
SPEAKER_02: but he's like a guy that wants to keep his distance and he wants to punch with you.
32:16
SPEAKER_02: That's my initial feeling on him.
32:19
SPEAKER_02: So there's my breakdown of that matchup.
32:24
SPEAKER_02: Let's go to the next one.
32:26
SPEAKER_02: What do you think of a Basperau versus Giovanni Santillian matchup is going to come down to?
32:31
SPEAKER_02: Have the two knockdowns broken Santillian's chin?
32:34
SPEAKER_02: Is Santillian any more than a regional Thompson Boxing boxer who was in
32:39
SPEAKER_02: the right tights at the right time?
32:41
SPEAKER_02: Is Santillian physically big enough for 154?
32:44
SPEAKER_02: So I also have some tape study to watch,
32:46
SPEAKER_02: but I'm going to give my initial thoughts on this matchup right away.
32:50
SPEAKER_02: My initial thoughts are...
32:52
SPEAKER_02: I think Abbas Burrell is probably a different level at this point.
32:56
SPEAKER_02: I think Giovanni is a really nice guy.
32:59
SPEAKER_02: I think when he went to that camp with Floyd Mayweather to mimic Manny Pacquiao,
33:05
SPEAKER_02: he was truly an exciting prospect.
33:07
SPEAKER_02: That is probably 11 years ago now, right?
33:11
SPEAKER_02: So it's like he's one of these weird guys
33:15
SPEAKER_02: where it's like his whole career has been Essentially him as a prospect or him
33:19
SPEAKER_02: as flying under the radar.
33:21
SPEAKER_02: His moment to really,
33:23
SPEAKER_02: really shine was when he knocked out Alexis Rocha in a fight that I think a lot
33:27
SPEAKER_02: of people looked at as Alexis Rocha's crowning moment and
33:30
SPEAKER_02: then Alexis Rocha got annihilated.
33:32
SPEAKER_02: And then in his crowning moment,
33:35
SPEAKER_02: basically the roles reversed and Brian Norman knocked him out badly.
33:39
SPEAKER_02: I'm not sure if you guys caught it,
33:41
SPEAKER_02: but his fight against Courtney Pennington earlier this year was not
33:45
SPEAKER_02: a very strong performance.
33:47
SPEAKER_02: I thought he won it, but he lost enough rounds where there were major concerns for me.
33:52
SPEAKER_02: The big thing about Burrow is he's patient to a fault.
33:56
SPEAKER_02: He's a good combination puncher.
33:58
SPEAKER_02: The question is, was the Yoannis-Teliz fight...
34:03
SPEAKER_02: Who he is?
34:04
SPEAKER_02: Or is that just the one night I was really on, I was focused and I had a great performance?
34:10
SPEAKER_02: And then every other night I'm going to try to rekindle that magic, but I might not have it.
34:15
SPEAKER_02: That is what I'm wondering.
34:16
SPEAKER_02: I do have those same questions about is he...
34:20
SPEAKER_02: Is he at 154 because of that's his weight class or is it because it's really,
34:26
SPEAKER_02: really hard to get to 47 now and we're just going to do it just
34:30
SPEAKER_02: to see what we can land in terms of marketable fights.
34:34
SPEAKER_02: Let's look at this.
34:34
SPEAKER_02: I remember Dakota,
34:35
SPEAKER_02: when we did the podcast, was like, why are we even talking about this fight now?
34:49
SPEAKER_02: I think after what Crawford's gone on to do, people would be like, what were they thinking?
34:55
SPEAKER_02: What were they doing?
34:56
SPEAKER_02: I mean, early on,
34:58
SPEAKER_02: the thing about Rocha that's weird,
34:59
SPEAKER_02: and Rocha also fights this week,
35:01
SPEAKER_02: and I'm going to do film study on Rocha in a little bit, is Rocha...
35:04
SPEAKER_02: Rocha early in his career was a power puncher, kind of a pressure fighter.
35:08
SPEAKER_02: And then after the Rashidi Ellis fight,
35:10
SPEAKER_02: Rashidi was just able to really trick him and confuse him.
35:14
SPEAKER_02: And he was unable to answer very simple questions in the ring with a slick mover.
35:21
SPEAKER_02: And in this fight, Geo just kind of bullies him.
35:25
SPEAKER_02: And Geo's traditionally known as a boxer,
35:28
SPEAKER_02: but he just, from the early onset of this fight, just walks down Alexis Rocha.
35:34
SPEAKER_02: And Rocha is prone to get into slugfests.
35:37
SPEAKER_02: You know, he's prone to get himself into kind of these, like, wars.
35:42
SPEAKER_02: I think against Raul Curiel, he probably overachieved and was able to do it.
35:47
SPEAKER_02: But it's like Giovanni is standing chest to chest with him and Rocha feels like
35:53
SPEAKER_02: at times gets emotional and And is willing to punch.
35:57
SPEAKER_02: And Gio like almost knew something that like, okay,
35:59
SPEAKER_02: if I just sit in front of him and keep my hands up,
36:02
SPEAKER_02: he's going to give me moments to land.
36:05
SPEAKER_02: And it's like, he just overwhelmed and kind of punked Rocha.
36:09
SPEAKER_02: And it's Rocha's initial thought was kind of like, I'm not going to back down.
36:13
SPEAKER_02: I'm going to fight you.
36:14
SPEAKER_02: And it basically made the fight harder and harder because the way Giovanni was fighting him,
36:21
SPEAKER_02: He basically just walks him down the whole fight.
36:24
SPEAKER_02: It's like it's a performance that I had never seen Giovanni do before in his career.
36:30
SPEAKER_02: And then we're in the third round.
36:32
SPEAKER_02: I think we're easing into the knockdown.
36:34
SPEAKER_02: But it's just this is this is so dominant.
36:36
SPEAKER_02: It's like Giovanni looks like Eric DeLeon basically in this fight.
36:40
SPEAKER_02: Just a come forward pressure guy.
36:43
SPEAKER_02: See, is this?
36:44
SPEAKER_02: No, it's the fifth round.
36:45
SPEAKER_02: This is a knockdown.
36:46
SPEAKER_02: Like he hits him.
36:50
SPEAKER_02: The thing that's crazy about this fight is Rocha has decent hand speed,
36:54
SPEAKER_02: but he makes Giovanni look like he has amazing hand speed.
36:58
SPEAKER_02: And in the fifth round, he lets off like a Ray Leonard five, six punch combo.
37:03
SPEAKER_02: And Rocha is bleeding and busted up and he's been punked and all this stuff.
37:09
SPEAKER_02: And he gets up and he's like,
37:10
SPEAKER_02: dude, I'll So, yeah, I mean, this was just like a perfect performance from Giovanni.
37:18
SPEAKER_02: Now let's go to the next performance, essentially, which was Giovanni versus Brian Norman.
37:24
SPEAKER_02: The roles reverse.
37:26
SPEAKER_02: And...
37:27
SPEAKER_02: I think it's important to also remember,
37:30
SPEAKER_02: Norman basically fought the same fight that one of the guys I respect the most,
37:35
SPEAKER_02: Eric Bonet.
37:36
SPEAKER_02: Bonet fought Giovanni, and I think Bonet, in my opinion, won or got a draw.
37:42
SPEAKER_02: He didn't get it,
37:43
SPEAKER_02: but to me,
37:44
SPEAKER_02: when I watched this fight with Norman versus Giovanni,
37:47
SPEAKER_02: it was so apparent that That what Bonet did was something that Norman watched.
37:55
SPEAKER_02: Because Giovanni's trying to walk forward.
37:58
SPEAKER_02: First off, Norman's just physically stronger than Rocha.
38:04
SPEAKER_02: And this is also a moment where Norman's like, dude, I want to change my life.
38:09
SPEAKER_02: Norman's got a lot bigger punching powder.
38:11
SPEAKER_02: But it's like when Giovanni gets Norman on the ropes,
38:14
SPEAKER_02: which we also have said, Mexican boxers, that's their shtick.
38:17
SPEAKER_02: Especially Robert Garcia fighters.
38:19
SPEAKER_02: I feel like Robert Garcia has so many tricks when guys get on the ropes.
38:22
SPEAKER_02: And it's like...
38:24
SPEAKER_02: Giovanni's hand speed against Rocha looked amazing.
38:28
SPEAKER_02: Norman's hand speed is so much faster than Giovanni's in this fight.
38:32
SPEAKER_02: And he's able to land big punches.
38:35
SPEAKER_02: He's angling.
38:36
SPEAKER_02: He's turning him.
38:37
SPEAKER_02: He's just basically frustrating him.
38:39
SPEAKER_02: He's keeping him off kilter.
38:41
SPEAKER_02: He's keeping him off balance.
38:46
SPEAKER_02: It's a very, very scary combination because he's different.
38:55
SPEAKER_02: I'm curious when the tide turns.
38:58
SPEAKER_02: Giovanni's kind of like,
39:00
SPEAKER_02: I think that Giovanni was like,
39:01
SPEAKER_02: okay, against Rochide, I'm going to be a pressure guy.
39:04
SPEAKER_02: This is going to be my style.
39:05
SPEAKER_02: I'm going to break guys down, this hometown fight.
39:07
SPEAKER_02: And he's putting Norman on the ropes more than I remembered.
39:10
SPEAKER_02: But the thing about Norman is he hits so hard.
39:13
SPEAKER_02: He's like, okay, put me on the ropes.
39:14
SPEAKER_02: I'm going to hit you.
39:16
SPEAKER_02: I'm going to hit you good.
39:17
SPEAKER_02: And they were basically punching pretty evenly.
39:21
SPEAKER_02: When do the punches start adding up for Giovanni?
39:26
SPEAKER_02: I mean, another thing to keep in mind about Giovanni is these fights are not easy fights.
39:31
SPEAKER_02: These are physical fights.
39:34
SPEAKER_02: So Norman's starting to wear down Giovanni in the eighth round.
39:38
SPEAKER_02: Giovanni is getting hit clean and he is not He's not coming forward as much as he wants.
39:44
SPEAKER_02: And then Mark Kriegel's scorecard 87-84 for Norman.
39:49
SPEAKER_02: And then this is like the moments that your people are going to remember.
39:51
SPEAKER_02: It's the 10th round.
39:53
SPEAKER_02: Giovanni's face is all busted up.
39:55
SPEAKER_02: It's a hard fight.
39:56
SPEAKER_02: And then Norman is just letting go of shots.
39:59
SPEAKER_02: He's just boom, ripping.
40:04
SPEAKER_02: I think this is a career-changing fight,
40:06
SPEAKER_02: to be honest with you,
40:07
SPEAKER_02: because I think mentally,
40:08
SPEAKER_02: Giovanni, at the time, most people didn't think Norman was an elite fighter.
40:12
SPEAKER_02: And Norman came in and really demolished Giovanni.
40:15
SPEAKER_02: And I think to do this in a guy's hometown and
40:19
SPEAKER_02: to mentally frustrate someone this way and take a title this way was just,
40:26
SPEAKER_02: I think it really was a hard one.
40:30
SPEAKER_02: It was a hard, hard loss.
40:36
SPEAKER_02: Okay, so let's see a boss brow against Brian Chavez.
40:39
SPEAKER_02: I believe I saw this one live, Wasserman.
40:44
SPEAKER_02: Yeah, Abbas Baral is so different.
40:46
SPEAKER_02: It's like Abbas Baral is closer to Abel Gonzalez, but maybe a better fighter.
40:52
SPEAKER_02: He is waiting to counter the counter.
40:55
SPEAKER_02: He'll come forward, but he wants you to punch, and then he's going to go.
40:59
SPEAKER_02: He's going to go.
41:00
SPEAKER_02: So he fights like a King Cobra Snake.
41:02
SPEAKER_02: He's like, okay, you react, and then I'll go.
41:04
SPEAKER_02: I'll go.
41:09
SPEAKER_02: I mean, the fight comes down to how Abbas Baral wants to fight.
41:14
SPEAKER_02: I think the thing that's scary about this fight is if Giovanni is going
41:17
SPEAKER_02: to come forward, Burau is going to be so delighted.
41:21
SPEAKER_02: He has a little bit of that super amateur style where he's trying to time you
41:26
SPEAKER_02: with rhythm and the way he steps to the opponent.
41:29
SPEAKER_02: That can be both good and bad.
41:32
SPEAKER_02: But, yeah, I think this is going to be a tough fight for Giovanni.
41:36
SPEAKER_02: But the thing is, against John O'Donnell, right?
41:40
SPEAKER_02: But Rao is not throwing that much.
41:43
SPEAKER_02: So it's like he exerts a ton of energy.
41:45
SPEAKER_02: He's letting off foot feints.
41:48
SPEAKER_02: But if you don't do much, he'll throw some punches.
41:52
SPEAKER_02: But he doesn't really work.
41:54
SPEAKER_02: He doesn't have like the highest He wants this guy to throw his left hand.
42:10
SPEAKER_02: So we can try to throw the right hand.
42:12
SPEAKER_02: And when the guy just shells up,
42:13
SPEAKER_02: he's like actually taking steps back because he wants you to come forward.
42:18
SPEAKER_02: He wants you to feel safe.
42:19
SPEAKER_02: And then all of his stuff that he works on, it looks like he works on comes from exchanges.
42:25
SPEAKER_02: So if guys don't exchange with him, right?
42:28
SPEAKER_02: He could have a hard fight like the way you probably want to fight a boss
42:32
SPEAKER_02: for out is you want to go backwards and you want to kind
42:35
SPEAKER_02: of give him 12 really boring rounds
42:37
SPEAKER_02: where he feels like he might be having some success,
42:40
SPEAKER_02: but he's losing every minute of every round where you what you don't want is
42:44
SPEAKER_02: and I'm going to guess I don't remember this fight, but he's fighting Sam Egginton.
42:47
SPEAKER_02: For those that don't know, Sam Egginton is a British boxer who just kind of was.
42:51
SPEAKER_02: He had a very basic understanding of boxing,
42:55
SPEAKER_02: but most of his boxing knowledge was just toughness.
42:57
SPEAKER_02: He was like one of those guys, regional guys.
43:00
SPEAKER_02: Hey, mate, I'm tough.
43:01
SPEAKER_02: Puts his hands up and gets hit a lot.
43:03
SPEAKER_02: And against Eggington, it's like, first off...
43:06
SPEAKER_02: Barrow, I think,
43:07
SPEAKER_02: senses an urgency that I can't be as inactive because this guy might walk me down.
43:11
SPEAKER_02: It might be a hard fight.
43:13
SPEAKER_02: But two, Eggington is going to punch, and that's going to allow Barrow to kind of do his stuff.
43:19
SPEAKER_02: So I think this fight for me...
43:21
SPEAKER_02: Can you preview Sean Garcia versus Abraham Morales?
43:24
SPEAKER_02: Okay, there's first tape footage is Abraham Morales versus Francisco Tapia.
43:26
SPEAKER_02: It is an amateur boxing match from 15 years ago.
43:48
SPEAKER_02: And it's uploaded by Francisco Tapia, so I'm going to assume...
43:53
SPEAKER_02: I mean, this is so difficult to do film study on when I don't know who's who.
43:58
SPEAKER_02: I can't do it.
43:58
SPEAKER_02: But I mean, what I do know is...
44:02
SPEAKER_02: Thank you for sending me that.
44:03
SPEAKER_02: But what I do know is that he's been boxing for 15 years and that's pretty impressive.
44:08
SPEAKER_02: Now, I do remember Sean Garcia versus Amato Vargas.
44:11
SPEAKER_02: I came back from Europe and was immediately on fight coverage for that on a Saturday night.
44:17
SPEAKER_02: I was frigging exhausted and I covered this.
44:20
SPEAKER_02: Amato won the fight via pressure.
44:23
SPEAKER_02: I think Sean was overweight.
44:25
SPEAKER_02: The thing with Sean Garcia is there's not really like an identity I see as a fighter.
44:30
SPEAKER_02: Like obviously he's in the shadow of his brother Ryan,
44:34
SPEAKER_02: which I think is never really that fun for anyone.
44:38
SPEAKER_02: And in this fight, it's like the punch output is low.
44:40
SPEAKER_02: He's not a very active fighter in terms of his professional boxing career.
44:45
SPEAKER_02: He's a southpaw.
44:46
SPEAKER_02: He doesn't have the same dynamic hand speed as his brother.
44:50
SPEAKER_02: I just don't really understand his identity as a fighter.
44:53
SPEAKER_02: So he falls into this category of kind of a famous or notable fighter based
44:58
SPEAKER_02: on his brother's standing in the sport.
45:00
SPEAKER_02: But I don't really understand, like,
45:03
SPEAKER_02: if this was a video game,
45:05
SPEAKER_02: Bernard Hopkins would be like a methodical thinker in the ring.
45:09
SPEAKER_02: Golovkin, power puncher.
45:11
SPEAKER_02: Terrence Crawford would be like a dead game finisher who has a lot
45:17
SPEAKER_02: of different attributes of boxing skill.
45:20
SPEAKER_02: Andre Ward would be the ultimate technician's technician.
45:23
SPEAKER_02: I don't know what Sean Garcia's archetype would be.
45:27
SPEAKER_02: And I think that's kind of a dangerous thing when you start getting
45:30
SPEAKER_02: into these televised boxing cards when we don't understand...
45:35
SPEAKER_02: What your identity as a fighter is, what your rubric is as a fighter, that can be tricky.
45:40
SPEAKER_02: And in this fight, like Amado Garcia, or not Amado Garcia, I got the names confused.
45:44
SPEAKER_02: Amado Vargas, sorry, Amado.
45:45
SPEAKER_02: Amado, nice guy too.
45:47
SPEAKER_02: He just overwhelmed him.
45:48
SPEAKER_02: He just said, okay, I'm going to set a pace.
45:51
SPEAKER_02: You are not going to be able to match my pace.
45:53
SPEAKER_02: And he didn't have the punch output or the conditioning to go.
45:57
SPEAKER_02: So there it is.
45:58
SPEAKER_02: And he lost, Sean Garcia also lost a fight to Sayung Ho Yang.
46:07
SPEAKER_02: I never saw this.
46:08
SPEAKER_02: So this is Triller Fight Club on YouTube.
46:12
SPEAKER_02: And it's a lot of the same crap with Sean, to be honest with you.
46:17
SPEAKER_02: He kind of puts himself on the ropes.
46:19
SPEAKER_02: He's looking to land a straight left hand and a right hook.
46:23
SPEAKER_02: And there's a very low punch output.
46:27
SPEAKER_02: So the thing with him is,
46:29
SPEAKER_02: if you're breaking down any fight,
46:30
SPEAKER_02: in my opinion, is he doesn't display dazzling power and dazzling hand speed.
46:35
SPEAKER_02: So if he's fighting a guy who's physically tough with a high altitude,
46:39
SPEAKER_02: Every fight is going to be hard.
46:42
SPEAKER_02: It's just going to be inherently tough because he doesn't really show
46:47
SPEAKER_02: the cardiovascular training,
46:49
SPEAKER_02: doesn't show the power,
46:50
SPEAKER_02: and he doesn't show the speed to keep guys alert for all the For the duration of
46:56
SPEAKER_02: a six round fight.
46:57
SPEAKER_02: And I don't think,
46:58
SPEAKER_02: I believe this is a six round fight,
47:00
SPEAKER_02: but I don't really think he's beyond,
47:01
SPEAKER_02: maybe he's an eight round fighter,
47:03
SPEAKER_02: but he can't really go beyond that with this trait.
47:05
SPEAKER_02: He has to evolve.
47:07
SPEAKER_02: So that's my breakdown of that fight.
47:09
SPEAKER_02: I think that's all the questions this week.
47:11
SPEAKER_02: Thank you guys.
47:12
SPEAKER_02: I hope you enjoyed the opening segment.
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SPEAKER_02: It was a different one this week and I'll talk to you soon.