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- 1:45Speaker 2: I am super excited to introduce a brand new series
- 1:49Speaker 2: called PG Unlock Now. In this series, I'll be sitting
- 1:55Speaker 2: down with some notable figures, celebrities and more. But with
- 2:00Speaker 2: a twist, my guest gets to choose whether or not
- 2:03Speaker 2: they want to conceal or reveal their identity and yes, child,
- 2:08Speaker 2: we will be distorting their voices so there's no cheating.
- 2:12Speaker 2: You don't want to miss out on these exclusive conversations
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- 2:22Speaker 2: to unlock some incredible stories only here on a professional
- 2:25Speaker 2: Homegirl podcast Now. In this PHG Unlock episode, we dive
- 2:31Speaker 2: into the dynamic world of the nineties. R and B Spotlighten,
- 2:36Speaker 2: a group that made waves with their unique blend of
- 2:39Speaker 2: soulful harmonies and unmistakable style. Known for their unforgettable hit
- 2:44Speaker 2: exploring love, loyalty, and heartbreak, these ladies redefine the sound
- 2:49Speaker 2: of the error, leaving a lasting mark on the music scene.
- 2:53Speaker 2: They were fierce, they were real, and their voices resonated
- 2:57Speaker 2: with listeners across the world. Together, we revisit the memories,
- 3:02Speaker 2: the music, and we dig into the untold story behind
- 3:06Speaker 2: our success and.
- 3:08Speaker 3: Why they parted ways.
- 3:10Speaker 2: Will our guests conceal or reveal their identity? Get ready
- 3:14Speaker 2: for an unforgetable conversation with this legendary R and B
- 3:18Speaker 2: trio because we're a nineties girl group. Starts now. All right,
- 3:23Speaker 2: to my guests, thank you all so much for being
- 3:25Speaker 2: on the show. How y'all doing, how y'all feeling.
- 3:28Speaker 4: You're doing great?
- 3:29Speaker 3: Thank you for having us.
- 3:30Speaker 2: Yes, yes, y'all. I am super excited to have my
- 3:34Speaker 2: guests on because we are with some legends. So once again,
- 3:37Speaker 2: thank you all for being on the show. And let's
- 3:39Speaker 2: start from the very beginning. Yeah, So, why do you
- 3:42Speaker 2: think the nineties hold such a special place in people hearts,
- 3:45Speaker 2: especially when it comes to music.
- 3:47Speaker 4: I feel this, I feel that it holds a good
- 3:50Speaker 4: place because I feel that way because I think, you
- 3:54Speaker 4: know why, A lot of music in the nineties was
- 3:56Speaker 4: very authentic and live.
- 3:59Speaker 3: Like.
- 3:59Speaker 4: When I say live, not athetic, I mean people were
- 4:01Speaker 4: recording without like a lot of reverb, you know, so
- 4:04Speaker 4: you can really hear the people voices, and a lot
- 4:07Speaker 4: of stuff is like kind of like now, it's like
- 4:09Speaker 4: more you can hear a reverb means like you can
- 4:12Speaker 4: hear like auto tune.
- 4:14Speaker 3: Auto tune. You can hear a lot of that in
- 4:16Speaker 3: the music.
- 4:16Speaker 4: So just for people who don't know what I mean
- 4:18Speaker 4: by that, it's like auto tune where you can actually
- 4:20Speaker 4: help the scene. I'm not knocking you, but nineties that's
- 4:22Speaker 4: why I hold the place on your heart because you
- 4:24Speaker 4: hear every artist and you can tell who it is
- 4:28Speaker 4: because it's their real voices live. Yes. And also in
- 4:34Speaker 4: addition to that, you had variety of artists. You had groups.
- 4:39Speaker 4: You had different girl groups, you had different male groups.
- 4:43Speaker 4: Even the rap you had different sounds of raps. So
- 4:46Speaker 4: you have a lot of different genres. Everything didn't sound
- 4:50Speaker 4: so much alike. You though, it's some good music now,
- 4:52Speaker 4: but you had different types of groups with different genres,
- 4:56Speaker 4: you know. And so and I think because of that
- 4:59Speaker 4: realness that David, that that different genre, that different articity
- 5:05Speaker 4: to the to that era, it was a good, feel
- 5:07Speaker 4: good era.
- 5:09Speaker 2: I feel like, yes, I feel like when y'all hear
- 5:11Speaker 2: the music now, you'll probably be like, what the.
- 5:13Speaker 4: Hell, it's a lot I'm gona keep I'm gonna keep
- 5:18Speaker 4: it one I do with some of it because some
- 5:20Speaker 4: of me sound alike.
- 5:21Speaker 3: I'm like, now, who is this person? It's like you
- 5:23Speaker 3: hear the same sound.
- 5:24Speaker 4: It's not a lot of you know, uniqueness to be
- 5:26Speaker 4: real and you know, and honestly, music, you know it's
- 5:29Speaker 4: a form of copy you know, you do copycat people.
- 5:32Speaker 4: You know, it's it's not like it's abnormal. But when
- 5:36Speaker 4: it's done and you are not using your voice, it's
- 5:39Speaker 4: one thing to like an artist, but if you're gonna
- 5:41Speaker 4: copy him, you still should come in your own authentic voice.
- 5:46Speaker 4: You know, we can understand how you what you bring
- 5:49Speaker 4: to the table, instead you taking over somebody's hard work.
- 5:53Speaker 4: Like artists from the nineties, we work really hard. Like
- 5:55Speaker 4: seventies artists. They work really hard to be unique, to
- 5:58Speaker 4: do what they love. So when you hear their music
- 6:01Speaker 4: and nineties music, that's why you feel that whole energy
- 6:04Speaker 4: of uniqueness and you write the new music, I'll be like,
- 6:08Speaker 4: there's some people that got it right.
- 6:09Speaker 2: Though, Nah, I know you'd be like, girl, what is that.
- 6:14Speaker 1: Right?
- 6:15Speaker 4: And you know what, also, we had artists development too.
- 6:18Speaker 4: There was artists development too back now. And that's that's
- 6:21Speaker 4: thing I think that hurts a lot with a lot
- 6:22Speaker 4: of people. You know, the artists development is it lacks.
- 6:28Speaker 4: People think they can be a YouTube star that quick
- 6:30Speaker 4: and they aren't making they money from it or TikTok
- 6:32Speaker 4: stary they want to call it.
- 6:34Speaker 2: Yeah, I feel like back in the day, like it
- 6:35Speaker 2: was like a real boot camp, like they wasn't playing.
- 6:38Speaker 3: Or y'all was gangs straight boot camp.
- 6:42Speaker 2: Yeah, So what was it like being a part of
- 6:44Speaker 2: the nineties R and B scene?
- 6:47Speaker 4: It was bomb because we didn't have phones back then
- 6:50Speaker 4: and we are also you know, we got to really
- 6:52Speaker 4: get intimate with the people, the different artists that we
- 6:54Speaker 4: was connected with. If we was doing like a tour,
- 6:57Speaker 4: any type of thing we was involved in, you got
- 6:59Speaker 4: to really connect better. I think in the nineties you
- 7:02Speaker 4: got to really know the artists and you know, the
- 7:04Speaker 4: scene was hot, it was dope, and you know what,
- 7:06Speaker 4: I think people really did lose a lot because we
- 7:09Speaker 4: have like people recording us. It was like a private
- 7:12Speaker 4: you know, a private little I don't want to say,
- 7:14Speaker 4: like a private sorority or fraternity, but like it was
- 7:17Speaker 4: that energy like you would nobody can be in your business.
- 7:20Speaker 4: It was like everybody with stays like you know they
- 7:22Speaker 4: say with stays in Vegas whatever they say, what you
- 7:24Speaker 4: do in Vegas States, Right, That's the kind of vibe
- 7:29Speaker 4: was for the nineties scene, like you are really in
- 7:31Speaker 4: the moment and getting connected with the people that you know,
- 7:34Speaker 4: that you work with, that you got the same love with.
- 7:37Speaker 4: And it was really fun too. It was like fun times.
- 7:40Speaker 4: People would didn't have no high anxiety or you know,
- 7:45Speaker 4: like just that energy where you know, it was a
- 7:48Speaker 4: lot of confidence in the air, but it wasn't that
- 7:49Speaker 4: energy like I'm better than you. It was like we
- 7:53Speaker 4: both about the top of the stations, not you know.
- 7:54Speaker 4: We would see people backstage with crossing cities, crossing states.
- 7:59Speaker 4: We'll see Mary, will see oh Josy, little Kim. We
- 8:04Speaker 4: would be passing.
- 8:05Speaker 3: It took like, hey, what's up, y'all, how y'all doing.
- 8:07Speaker 4: They'll be getting on the bus, We're getting on stage.
- 8:09Speaker 4: They leaving the stage, We're getting on. So it was
- 8:11Speaker 4: always it was very carefue and fun and it wasn't
- 8:14Speaker 4: no like no tension, no like some tension in the
- 8:18Speaker 4: end true. And to add to that, I enjoyed the
- 8:22Speaker 4: fact that when we used to be performing any artists,
- 8:25Speaker 4: people really stay back and watch the other, you know,
- 8:28Speaker 4: the other, you know, like more supportive yet support Now
- 8:35Speaker 4: it's hot, that's dope, that got the tip.
- 8:38Speaker 2: That's segue into my next question. How do you think
- 8:40Speaker 2: the industry industry has changed since then?
- 8:43Speaker 4: Well, I think a lot of people keep to themselves
- 8:44Speaker 4: and who you know is who you know. It's like
- 8:46Speaker 4: it's more cliquish, like even though it was clicking back
- 8:50Speaker 4: in the time, but clicks new clicks and they was
- 8:53Speaker 4: you interacted, but now more backstage is more like if
- 8:56Speaker 4: you know somebody, you'll see them.
- 8:58Speaker 3: But people so.
- 9:00Speaker 4: Now much beatable with their own click that came with
- 9:03Speaker 4: them and stick in their own rooms. So they kind
- 9:06Speaker 4: of just be more private for whatever reason. Some reasons
- 9:10Speaker 4: are good, some reasons or not to stay out of trouble,
- 9:13Speaker 4: or you know, just they feeling themselves either though I
- 9:16Speaker 4: don't know, but it seems a little bit more where
- 9:18Speaker 4: everybody it's kind a little bit more distant. Yeah, yeah,
- 9:22Speaker 4: a little bit more distant. I think a little bit
- 9:24Speaker 4: more distant. And I think even like like like when
- 9:27Speaker 4: I was you mentioned about the difference, you know, the
- 9:30Speaker 4: whole what do you call it? Like auto tune energy?
- 9:34Speaker 4: You know, like like I was talking about the auto
- 9:37Speaker 4: tune situation too, people will not are not as authentic
- 9:41Speaker 4: like we were back then in the nineties. The autotune
- 9:44Speaker 4: you don't really know who it is. They everybody soundless
- 9:47Speaker 4: so and it's like, you know, and it's like who
- 9:51Speaker 4: is this person? Like you don't even know. And like
- 9:53Speaker 4: in the nineties, if you go and put the nineties
- 9:55Speaker 4: that feel good music, and you also can tell, oh
- 9:58Speaker 4: that's such and such ah, that's you know, oh the
- 10:00Speaker 4: difference you really do?
- 10:01Speaker 3: I know, I do. I definitely know the difference. When
- 10:03Speaker 3: I hear the nineties artists, I can hear the.
- 10:06Speaker 4: Difference meaning difference between like two different artists.
- 10:13Speaker 3: You know that artist, you know that this is this artist,
- 10:15Speaker 3: I mean, and I miss that.
- 10:17Speaker 4: And to think about new music, it's like you don't
- 10:21Speaker 4: you don't get that from that, you don't get that.
- 10:22Speaker 3: It's like micro waverbo.
- 10:25Speaker 4: People are like jumping in the game, getting that quick fixed,
- 10:28Speaker 4: getting them everybody like I want to get the bag.
- 10:30Speaker 4: I'm getting that bag. You know, they gonna get that back.
- 10:35Speaker 4: But you know, we all want the bag too, but
- 10:38Speaker 4: we what we love what we do too, right.
- 10:40Speaker 2: And I also feel like back then in the nineties,
- 10:42Speaker 2: like not only did we we felt the emotion, but
- 10:45Speaker 2: it was just you could just feel it, like you
- 10:47Speaker 2: knew when somebody was happy, you knew when somebody was sad,
- 10:49Speaker 2: you knew what somebody was like. I feel like theneties
- 10:52Speaker 2: nineties was just the time that you just had to
- 10:54Speaker 2: be there.
- 10:55Speaker 4: You know, we didn't have phones and Instagram and all that,
- 10:58Speaker 4: so you didn't have no other distress actions. You were
- 11:00Speaker 4: able to be in the moment with that person if
- 11:03Speaker 4: you had something to say. You either have to wait,
- 11:05Speaker 4: like say, if we came out with a video, you
- 11:07Speaker 4: wasn't gonna see any footage beforehand. You really had to
- 11:11Speaker 4: wait to the video to see who was gonna cop
- 11:13Speaker 4: the blue lipstick first, or you know, you got so
- 11:16Speaker 4: it wasn't a lot of distraction distraction or copycap like
- 11:20Speaker 4: a lot of copy cap too, you know, because you
- 11:23Speaker 4: know people you know you are because let me tell
- 11:25Speaker 4: you someone, once you shoot a video, you got your
- 11:27Speaker 4: video going and you would be able to know who
- 11:29Speaker 4: copied off for you because you didn't have once to
- 11:32Speaker 4: get dropped.
- 11:33Speaker 3: You know that you did it first.
- 11:35Speaker 4: Yeah, because you have to wait for it to come
- 11:37Speaker 4: out too.
- 11:38Speaker 3: You have to wait. You gotta wait, editing and all
- 11:41Speaker 3: of that.
- 11:42Speaker 2: Now, y'all, I guess they look they look super good.
- 11:45Speaker 2: Mad fied brownskin for the win. So being at the nineties,
- 11:49Speaker 2: was the golden era? Who was trying to talk to y'all?
- 11:52Speaker 4: Oh?
- 11:56Speaker 3: I think for me?
- 11:56Speaker 4: I think on my end, I had like comedians trying
- 11:59Speaker 4: to like me and like more on the comedian side,
- 12:02Speaker 4: and a couple of rappers, But no R and B
- 12:04Speaker 4: dudes was talking to me like that, maybe because I
- 12:06Speaker 4: had a little thug in me something that might have been.
- 12:08Speaker 3: Too much for the R and B cats. But more
- 12:10Speaker 3: but more rapping.
- 12:11Speaker 4: I think more rapping, and yeah, I feel like more
- 12:13Speaker 4: rappers and comedians on my end, or a couple of athletes.
- 12:18Speaker 4: I think I didn't have a couple of athletes.
- 12:20Speaker 3: Yeah, think about it.
- 12:23Speaker 2: So wait, so name one comedian and one athlete and
- 12:25Speaker 2: one rapper that was trying to talk to you. That's
- 12:27Speaker 2: current now.
- 12:28Speaker 3: Well, I wouldn't say they're name because they're married.
- 12:30Speaker 2: Now, it's somebody we know because yeah, y'all know, but.
- 12:36Speaker 4: They're married now, so I wouldn't even like put them
- 12:37Speaker 4: out there like that. But if they were single, I
- 12:40Speaker 4: would bet I would bust them out. But they're married,
- 12:42Speaker 4: got a whole family, got.
- 12:43Speaker 3: A whole life.
- 12:45Speaker 2: Anybody single that was trying to talk to you, that's
- 12:46Speaker 2: current now.
- 12:49Speaker 3: No, everybody you know, like now you know Cats is older.
- 12:52Speaker 4: Now. Everybody is still there, married, got a home, and
- 12:56Speaker 4: if they are, I don't know about it, right right?
- 12:59Speaker 3: What about too?
- 13:00Speaker 4: Some rappers? Uh? It was a football player that was
- 13:05Speaker 4: trying to get out of me, But I don't even
- 13:06Speaker 4: know his name, if I if I could say it,
- 13:08Speaker 4: I don't even know. I don't even remember him, poor thing.
- 13:12Speaker 3: I think he was with the Tampa Bay Buccaneers.
- 13:17Speaker 4: Somebody from there, Tampa, Yeah, yeah, yeah, shoot, we both
- 13:21Speaker 4: had a football player for the Buccaneers. I really don't
- 13:24Speaker 4: remember his name. There was a guy from the Buccaneers,
- 13:27Speaker 4: and he's very incredible. He's a Hall of Famer. But
- 13:30Speaker 4: he's married and got a hope for me.
- 13:31Speaker 2: All Right, y'all gonna do my research and I get
- 13:33Speaker 2: back to y'all. But y'all know who it.
- 13:35Speaker 4: Is, Okay. I could tell you a singer that tried
- 13:38Speaker 4: to get at me, because I don't know what they're
- 13:41Speaker 4: doing in life, and there's no disrespect he's married or whatever,
- 13:45Speaker 4: but I'm not checking for him. I wasn't checking for
- 13:47Speaker 4: him then and I'm not checking for him now. Casey
- 13:51Speaker 4: from Jo Desy trying to get everybody know.
- 13:55Speaker 3: Yeah, and he was Mary at that time.
- 13:57Speaker 4: I was like, boy, please, But even if he wasn't
- 13:59Speaker 4: with her, somebody from the audition, I'm not gonna put
- 14:03Speaker 4: because I think he is married based off their show. No,
- 14:10Speaker 4: I guess, but no, somebody from the audition I know who. No,
- 14:16Speaker 4: not him. I don't even know who you was gonna say,
- 14:21Speaker 4: but you know, you know how you can tell some
- 14:23Speaker 4: people want to get at you. They're not saying nothing,
- 14:25Speaker 4: but they're doing like serious flirtatious.
- 14:32Speaker 3: I'm with that.
- 14:34Speaker 4: I'm not gonna say the name because I think I
- 14:36Speaker 4: think I'm a type of person that I don't really
- 14:38Speaker 4: like people that's in the same field that I'm in,
- 14:41Speaker 4: Like meaning like since I'm in a RB hip hop,
- 14:44Speaker 4: I'm really more I would choose more like an athlete
- 14:47Speaker 4: type of person or a comedian.
- 14:48Speaker 3: Somebody is not doing the same thing I'm doing.
- 14:50Speaker 4: I'm curious about other people's careers and journey got going on.
- 14:54Speaker 4: I don't want the same I never want the same
- 14:56Speaker 4: energy to keep it real with you, the same thing
- 14:59Speaker 4: I did.
- 14:59Speaker 3: Yeah, if you rap and.
- 15:02Speaker 4: Checking for you like that, But if you're a comedian
- 15:04Speaker 4: or you are an athlete, I'm more intrigued by that.
- 15:08Speaker 2: Right now, How did y'all all meet? Like, were y'all
- 15:11Speaker 2: friends before the group started? Or because I wasn't sure
- 15:14Speaker 2: if y'all met in high school, or if y'all knew
- 15:16Speaker 2: about each other in high school, or yall met in college.
- 15:19Speaker 4: And I met in high school as cheerleader. She was
- 15:22Speaker 4: already on a cheerleading squad and I was trying to
- 15:25Speaker 4: make the squad. So that's how we connected. And I
- 15:30Speaker 4: was doing my dancing, doing my thing, and I needed
- 15:34Speaker 4: another dancer. I was looking for another dancer, and everybody
- 15:37Speaker 4: was like, she was samous in high school. You know,
- 15:39Speaker 4: she was popular, so everybody knew she Yeah, she was lit,
- 15:43Speaker 4: and so when I was looking and asking around, it
- 15:46Speaker 4: was like, oh, you need to ask. And I already
- 15:49Speaker 4: knew she had flavor and poise and style just from
- 15:54Speaker 4: being a cheerleader.
- 15:54Speaker 3: But we wasn't close.
- 15:56Speaker 4: We just met each other, you know, we we just
- 15:58Speaker 4: knew we knew each other, and we didn't really get
- 16:01Speaker 4: close to that until, you know, after we start cheering
- 16:04Speaker 4: and everything. But I asked her if she wanted to dance,
- 16:07Speaker 4: and then she just locked in. She was like, yes,
- 16:09Speaker 4: her style matched my style. We was vibing with each other.
- 16:12Speaker 4: And then we met in college, right, yeah, in college,
- 16:18Speaker 4: do you because it was like just me and went
- 16:20Speaker 4: with me and me, and I keep saying my daughter name,
- 16:22Speaker 4: my love, my daughter so much.
- 16:23Speaker 3: So crazy, and I remind her of her daughter. I'm
- 16:28Speaker 3: starting like her daughter.
- 16:31Speaker 4: They both they both they both muscle bound girls, you know,
- 16:34Speaker 4: to college.
- 16:34Speaker 3: So she was looking, she was looking.
- 16:36Speaker 4: There was some guy that she knew that was a rapper,
- 16:38Speaker 4: was looking for some dancers. Thought we was like, you know,
- 16:41Speaker 4: we were gonna have like a whole audition. But you
- 16:45Speaker 4: know what I'm saying, We were serious. We were serious,
- 16:47Speaker 4: like we're gonna we're gonna go to this park rented out,
- 16:50Speaker 4: Like I mean, just imagine we're seventeen years old having
- 16:52Speaker 4: this energy talking about you know, we're gonna rent it out.
- 16:55Speaker 4: We're gonna have people come, and it's so funny that
- 16:58Speaker 4: only one person and it was but we were serious.
- 17:01Speaker 3: We were sitting about that business. We're serious about it.
- 17:04Speaker 2: Yeah, I knew y'all was seriously when I was listening
- 17:06Speaker 2: to your other interviews and just doing research, I'm like,
- 17:08Speaker 2: you know back then, like the don't that y'all even
- 17:11Speaker 2: had the mindset of like let's do auditions, like let's
- 17:14Speaker 2: let's scout out the next person, so we could be
- 17:17Speaker 2: official with that because I know dance play an intricate
- 17:20Speaker 2: role into your music journey.
- 17:22Speaker 3: It did definitely.
- 17:24Speaker 4: We was like the type of group that you know,
- 17:26Speaker 4: go to different clubs, and then that's another thing.
- 17:29Speaker 3: I don't know.
- 17:29Speaker 4: I don't really think they really get down, like we
- 17:31Speaker 4: really dance and sweat anybody cute, but we ain't trying
- 17:35Speaker 4: to look cute all day. We are getting on the
- 17:38Speaker 4: cipher floor like I rappers. People see that on BT
- 17:41Speaker 4: or like the Little Award Show. Now, we've been doing
- 17:43Speaker 4: Cyprus back in the days in the nineties and then
- 17:45Speaker 4: Cyper was like dancing in the circle and it's Dan
- 17:50Speaker 4: in a circle and everybody crowding around them, and that
- 17:53Speaker 4: was the type of NFG. So then that's that led
- 17:55Speaker 4: us to be able to do different videos with different
- 17:57Speaker 4: hip hop artists. Unfortunately wondered. One of the queens that
- 18:00Speaker 4: passed away just recently. Her name is Boss. Got to
- 18:02Speaker 4: give her props. That's her soul. She was passed away
- 18:07Speaker 4: and she's incredible. We was at mental Mondays. Bill Bibs
- 18:13Speaker 4: the BOE used to do these shows on Mondays at
- 18:17Speaker 4: the Palladium. Yeah, it's like for teens at eighteen, nineteen
- 18:21Speaker 4: and twenty one, and you know, it was that type
- 18:23Speaker 4: of energy.
- 18:23Speaker 3: So you know, we was dancing, doing our thing, what
- 18:26Speaker 3: we love.
- 18:27Speaker 2: And if I'm not mistaken, y'all will also backup dancing
- 18:30Speaker 2: for like a lot of well known artists like Big Daddy, Kane, AMT, Chris,
- 18:37Speaker 2: Chris and My Killings. She real names, right, I'm gonna say.
- 18:41Speaker 4: Her real names? Who that Stilk?
- 18:47Speaker 3: I was like an extra, like a background person was actually.
- 18:50Speaker 2: Dancing and Silk You was in Silk video.
- 18:53Speaker 4: Yeah, Silk video, Happy Days, Happy Days out here? Yeah?
- 18:57Speaker 2: Oh wow. So if I'm not taken, y'all also have
- 19:02Speaker 2: a good relationship with Tima Robinson, who was a season dancer.
- 19:06Speaker 2: So how did she play a prevotal role in y'all career?
- 19:09Speaker 2: Because I think it was something y'all was also trying
- 19:11Speaker 2: to try out for Michael Jackson remember the Times video
- 19:13Speaker 2: as well.
- 19:15Speaker 4: Yes, talk about the story about that with Fatima. So
- 19:24Speaker 4: in our book that's coming out, it's called Unfinished Business,
- 19:27Speaker 4: we talk about that about with Fatima. There was moments
- 19:32Speaker 4: of Fatima that was great and there was moments that
- 19:34Speaker 4: was not so great. Like she she was, she was
- 19:37Speaker 4: definitely about her business at a at a young age
- 19:40Speaker 4: as well. We all used to dance and you know,
- 19:43Speaker 4: so we talked about the story that happened with the
- 19:45Speaker 4: Michael Jacksonville how it was like, you know, it was
- 19:47Speaker 4: like back then, like there was clicks and we were
- 19:50Speaker 4: talking about like different clicks. It was clicked like it
- 19:53Speaker 4: was a lot of dancers trying out for this video,
- 19:56Speaker 4: and we talked about how she picked certain people and
- 19:59Speaker 4: people telling us that I don't know why y'all didn't
- 20:01Speaker 4: get picked because y'all, y'all really was killing it. But
- 20:04Speaker 4: it was crazy because it was like a it was
- 20:07Speaker 4: a thousand people, thousand dances tried out, but it was
- 20:10Speaker 4: like we got called back out of our level clak
- 20:13Speaker 4: and it was only twenty days and they was narrowing
- 20:15Speaker 4: it down, and so we talk about how we felt like,
- 20:19Speaker 4: you know, and that's why I love our book that's
- 20:20Speaker 4: coming out, because we all felt a different kind of way.
- 20:23Speaker 4: Like me to keep one hundred, I didn't feel I
- 20:25Speaker 4: didn't like how I went down, like I didn't like
- 20:31Speaker 4: how But now that I'm now, I see how it
- 20:33Speaker 4: go like after I was in my feelings back then.
- 20:35Speaker 3: But you know, now I'm older, I see it differently.
- 20:38Speaker 3: It's a game.
- 20:39Speaker 4: It's you know, you people gonna pick who they wore with, right,
- 20:42Speaker 4: and it's like it's like a cattle call. You have
- 20:46Speaker 4: to have these many people. You already know who you're picking.
- 20:48Speaker 4: That's how it used to be back in the days
- 20:50Speaker 4: when you when you did like auditions back in the days.
- 20:53Speaker 3: So Fatima wasn't doing nothing no different than the next.
- 20:55Speaker 4: Cat was doing right. Like as far as having like
- 20:59Speaker 4: a gang of peeple, well, because you got to do
- 21:00Speaker 4: it for Michael Jackson. You got to show that you
- 21:02Speaker 4: had people out there trying out, but you already know.
- 21:05Speaker 3: In your head who you want.
- 21:06Speaker 4: That's something we didn't know until after the fact, or
- 21:10Speaker 4: at least me it's for me. I didn't know that
- 21:12Speaker 4: until after the fact. So my thing was, I mean,
- 21:18Speaker 4: I really wanted to be in that video, but it
- 21:20Speaker 4: didn't happen.
- 21:20Speaker 3: We did other videos, you know what I mean.
- 21:22Speaker 4: It was Michael Jackson, but we did other stuff and
- 21:25Speaker 4: Fatima was the one who got us the other stuff too,
- 21:27Speaker 4: you know, but we didn't we didn't get that one.
- 21:31Speaker 4: But you know what, she blessed us after that. She
- 21:33Speaker 4: might maybe her conscious I don't know if her conscious
- 21:35Speaker 4: bother her or what. So. I know I wasn't really
- 21:37Speaker 4: feeling her the same, but she did come through after that,
- 21:40Speaker 4: maybe she got out conscious or something because she she
- 21:42Speaker 4: didn't want to put us in Daddy came video this
- 21:45Speaker 4: group called good Girl.
- 21:46Speaker 3: They was called the Good Girls something like that was
- 21:50Speaker 3: good to Do, Good to Do. Yeah.
- 21:52Speaker 2: Did you'll ever have a conversation with her?
- 21:56Speaker 3: No, I haven't. I think my energy gave conversation.
- 22:03Speaker 4: I think after the fact, I let it go because
- 22:06Speaker 4: I mean, she did come through later on after that. Right,
- 22:10Speaker 4: I'll say if I being out of office turned off
- 22:12Speaker 4: back then with that SITUAD scenario because we didn't know
- 22:15Speaker 4: what was going on at then. We didn't know that
- 22:17Speaker 4: people were rolling that hard like that and what have
- 22:19Speaker 4: you working your butt off dancing and then not to
- 22:21Speaker 4: get picked. But you know, we As time went on,
- 22:24Speaker 4: we realized, you know, as you get older and understand
- 22:26Speaker 4: how the game worked, you ain't tripping about it no more,
- 22:28Speaker 4: but it But it was I was in my feelings
- 22:30Speaker 4: back then, definitely.
- 22:42Speaker 2: So do y'all feel like y'all was destined to be
- 22:44Speaker 2: in a group? And the reason why I asked because
- 22:46Speaker 2: y'all have so much in common and I feel like
- 22:48Speaker 2: when I was reading more about your story, I feel
- 22:50Speaker 2: like everything was like lining up for y'all. Do y'all
- 22:53Speaker 2: feel like that too?
- 22:55Speaker 3: Yes? We do, Yeah, we do.
- 22:58Speaker 4: I think when we had started all were we were.
- 23:01Speaker 4: Our goal was honestly to just be these great dancers
- 23:04Speaker 4: and touring all over the world. We just that's that
- 23:07Speaker 4: was really what we wanted to do. Just be these
- 23:08Speaker 4: great dancers and choreographed different groups and and tour. That
- 23:13Speaker 4: was our like initial type of energy. But when we
- 23:15Speaker 4: was doing our thing, and would we performing at different
- 23:18Speaker 4: showcase like back then it was like major showcases, and
- 23:20Speaker 4: you'll see people like Mariah Carey, Jamie Fox. You see
- 23:24Speaker 4: them like Jamie Fox wasn't even singing. He was just
- 23:26Speaker 4: doing his comedy stuff because he's snow he was singing.
- 23:28Speaker 4: He wasn't even comedy. H mm hmm. It'd be at
- 23:32Speaker 4: these different like, I mean, it's so beautiful to see
- 23:34Speaker 4: people from back in the days and where they are now.
- 23:37Speaker 4: But we used to do the popular because we from
- 23:40Speaker 4: cal We're from Cali, so cally got all the energy
- 23:42Speaker 4: everybody being in Hollywood, you know, doing their thing, and
- 23:45Speaker 4: you know, we would win every time as dancers behind
- 23:49Speaker 4: these so we weren't lining like that, you know what I mean.
- 23:53Speaker 4: We were just we just did what we love and
- 23:55Speaker 4: people noticed that, you guys should be more than hard
- 23:57Speaker 4: bodies in the back dancing. Yeah, Like we were outshining the
- 24:01Speaker 4: main artists with our dancing. So we would always get
- 24:05Speaker 4: people from behind the stage or just even people from
- 24:08Speaker 4: the audience like you guys did so good. Y'all got
- 24:10Speaker 4: a group or y'all should become a group or what's
- 24:12Speaker 4: the name of your group? And that got us thinking, like,
- 24:15Speaker 4: you know, we start seeing ourselves different, but yet still
- 24:18Speaker 4: we were dancers until someone actually really approached us like,
- 24:22Speaker 4: you guys need a name. You know, we were just
- 24:25Speaker 4: going off of our real names, but we needed a
- 24:28Speaker 4: group name. And once we had that group name and
- 24:30Speaker 4: we still was dancing doing our thing, then we would
- 24:33Speaker 4: got approached to be a group like you guys should
- 24:36Speaker 4: be a group. So we it was destined for us
- 24:40Speaker 4: to come together and do what we did because it happened,
- 24:45Speaker 4: and it's still good while it was happening, and we
- 24:47Speaker 4: do have a lot of similarities and we were aligned
- 24:50Speaker 4: to meet each other at the times that we did
- 24:52Speaker 4: to do what we were supposed to do, which is
- 24:55Speaker 4: a beautiful thing.
- 24:56Speaker 2: Yes, And I also feel like because you have a background,
- 25:00Speaker 2: it also made you more versatile when it came to
- 25:03Speaker 2: performing compared to your other R and B counterparts. Do
- 25:06Speaker 2: you feel like that as well?
- 25:08Speaker 3: Oh?
- 25:08Speaker 4: Yes, definitely. I feel like I was the Sierra back now.
- 25:12Speaker 4: Sierra is so dope. I love her answer. I was
- 25:15Speaker 4: that Sierra back then. You know what I'm saying, Like
- 25:17Speaker 4: that energy Sierra brings period.
- 25:20Speaker 2: Yes, Now, were there any girl groups at the time
- 25:22Speaker 2: that inspire y'all when y'all were first starting out?
- 25:26Speaker 4: For me, I would say st mm hmm, yes, Peper
- 25:30Speaker 4: only one for me. Yeah, because it wasn't a lot
- 25:33Speaker 4: of girl groups. It was more like individuals Like I
- 25:36Speaker 4: love Janet Jackson, you know, she was not in the group,
- 25:39Speaker 4: but saltn Pepper for sure.
- 25:42Speaker 3: That girl serious about. But in groups like Salt and Pepper,
- 25:46Speaker 3: what other groups? What you know what I mean?
- 25:49Speaker 2: Did y'all come out before a lot of the other groups,
- 25:51Speaker 2: Like was it it was like y'all, s WV.
- 25:54Speaker 4: Did TLC came out before?
- 25:57Speaker 2: Right?
- 25:59Speaker 3: Came out before us?
- 26:00Speaker 4: But I think weren't even though they were a good group,
- 26:04Speaker 4: but we were more aligned with more like with the
- 26:06Speaker 4: Salt and Pepper BBD energy you goat see it's two
- 26:10Speaker 4: two rappers and one singer right in our group, and
- 26:14Speaker 4: so a lot of times that's stuff that we had
- 26:16Speaker 4: to like when we performed people songs live, we kind
- 26:18Speaker 4: of had like maybe maybe few Fujie's energy. We were
- 26:22Speaker 4: behind the scenes coming out like we was working in
- 26:25Speaker 4: the studio.
- 26:26Speaker 3: They just came out before us. We didn't have a
- 26:28Speaker 3: deal yet.
- 26:29Speaker 4: They were we were already our concept who we were
- 26:32Speaker 4: as people, so they couldn't Nobody didn't inspire us like
- 26:35Speaker 4: that because we already like we didn't look up to them.
- 26:38Speaker 4: It was kind of like we side by side with y'all.
- 26:41Speaker 4: So they were great groups and we liked them, but
- 26:44Speaker 4: they wasn't a group like, oh, we want to be
- 26:46Speaker 4: like them later on in life. It was kind of
- 26:48Speaker 4: it was just a couple of years ahead of us,
- 26:50Speaker 4: you know, because they got the deal earlier, whatever the
- 26:53Speaker 4: case may be, So it would be older groups we.
- 26:56Speaker 3: Would look at.
- 26:57Speaker 4: We was making noise in our neighborhood before we even
- 26:59Speaker 4: got our deer we another like an independent deal. So
- 27:01Speaker 4: we just making our own noise in our little town
- 27:03Speaker 4: in Cali, in Inglewood and La.
- 27:06Speaker 3: You know.
- 27:06Speaker 4: But we was We wasn't signed to an actual record
- 27:09Speaker 4: deal like they were. So when you stay looking up,
- 27:11Speaker 4: I will only say probably salt and pepper.
- 27:13Speaker 2: Right, did y'all ever feel pressure to fit in a
- 27:16Speaker 2: certain image or sound because y'all were women in the industry? Like,
- 27:19Speaker 2: did they ever try to make y'all perform to a
- 27:21Speaker 2: certain way? Because I feel like when I was looking
- 27:23Speaker 2: back at y'all videos and just y'all sound like y'all
- 27:26Speaker 2: were flying, like y'all was like there around the way
- 27:28Speaker 2: girls like even now, like, did y'all ever feel like
- 27:31Speaker 2: I had to perform in a certain sense for me?
- 27:34Speaker 4: We we came as we who we were. We brought
- 27:37Speaker 4: who we were to the table, and to be honest,
- 27:41Speaker 4: no disrespect to none of the ladies that was doing
- 27:43Speaker 4: like Little Kim's the way she was talking and stuff
- 27:46Speaker 4: that was us, right, We did that all the time.
- 27:48Speaker 4: We got people trying to have us tone that down.
- 27:51Speaker 4: So it was pressure from like our record company do
- 27:55Speaker 4: you know the people who was involved, like ooh you
- 27:56Speaker 4: saying that or why are you saying this? And even
- 27:59Speaker 4: at that time, radio stations wasn't as open as they
- 28:03Speaker 4: are now. It's out of control now. But like some
- 28:05Speaker 4: of our songs didn't get like His Mind did get
- 28:07Speaker 4: played La Talk just like sexy, but they wasn't playing
- 28:13Speaker 4: your music at that time. So our record label was
- 28:15Speaker 4: trying to. They were trying to make us do like
- 28:17Speaker 4: these R and B D and that wasn't what we were. Yeah,
- 28:21Speaker 4: that's not who we work. So we used to constantly
- 28:24Speaker 4: have like a battle with that because we were rapp
- 28:26Speaker 4: and we did rap and singing. We kept who we were,
- 28:30Speaker 4: but we used to battle our time. That was that
- 28:32Speaker 4: was the different part, I tell you. So it was
- 28:34Speaker 4: the pressure of us or they not allowing us to
- 28:36Speaker 4: be ourselves truly. Thinks like how we came, how we auditioned,
- 28:40Speaker 4: we rapped and sing and we wore what we wore.
- 28:43Speaker 4: We just how we dressed, said what we said, you know,
- 28:46Speaker 4: they were trying to tone us down and make us
- 28:48Speaker 4: be an R and B group, you know, and we.
- 28:51Speaker 3: Had to fight to that. And so it's not.
- 28:53Speaker 4: That we was hood and ghetto. We just was like
- 28:56Speaker 4: from the inner city talking about inner city energy. You know.
- 29:00Speaker 4: We still you ain't never seen this look like hoodra
- 29:04Speaker 4: that they to call it back then, boochie boocie girls.
- 29:12Speaker 2: So wait, how do y'all feel about the reception that
- 29:14Speaker 2: Sexy Bread has been receiving.
- 29:17Speaker 4: Oh, honey, don't get me on her. I'm sorry, I'm
- 29:20Speaker 4: not a fan. I don't really know her music. I'm
- 29:23Speaker 4: not a fan. What I see is just, you know,
- 29:25Speaker 4: it's like it's like the ratchetness is cool because it's
- 29:29Speaker 4: a little bit in every woman I think, you know,
- 29:32Speaker 4: or but it's it's a time you got to have
- 29:35Speaker 4: some boundaries. It's just it's just too much. It's too much,
- 29:39Speaker 4: Like it's just too much. I wouldn't want my little
- 29:43Speaker 4: girl like listening to her music, you know what I mean.
- 29:45Speaker 4: You got to be a full fledged grown woman listen
- 29:48Speaker 4: to her music.
- 29:49Speaker 3: And you know, I haven't.
- 29:51Speaker 4: I've heard of her through other people and I'm just
- 29:53Speaker 4: now literally like, no, lie, like two weeks ago, just
- 29:57Speaker 4: saw her in the video because she with some other
- 30:00Speaker 4: girl that I do like, you know what I mean.
- 30:01Speaker 4: So I'm just now really seeing her for myself. But
- 30:04Speaker 4: I'm not I'm not a big fan. But good luck,
- 30:08Speaker 4: good good for what you're doing.
- 30:10Speaker 3: I feel like the girls need to put their clothes on,
- 30:13Speaker 3: even a guy. I don't want you.
- 30:14Speaker 4: I want a guy who's closed off either either or
- 30:17Speaker 4: I want you. I want to see your talent. Like
- 30:19Speaker 4: I feel that people can show their talent by putting
- 30:22Speaker 4: more clothes on and start being naked. I don't like
- 30:25Speaker 4: that energy like too much. Many people want to be
- 30:28Speaker 4: so naked, and it takes away from your skill. You
- 30:31Speaker 4: might be a dope ass artist, but it's taken away
- 30:33Speaker 4: from me because just because you're showing all your ass.
- 30:35Speaker 4: Excuse me for my language, but that's you're showing all
- 30:37Speaker 4: the ass and there's no mystery. Like if one person
- 30:41Speaker 4: is bringing that that hood energy, then the next person
- 30:43Speaker 4: want to be.
- 30:43Speaker 3: I want to go lower than you. I want to
- 30:45Speaker 3: be more hood than you.
- 30:46Speaker 4: I want to be so now it starts, it starts
- 30:49Speaker 4: falling off, and it's it's like hood hood hood, gutter,
- 30:54Speaker 4: savage gutter and it's just getting worse. It's not even
- 30:57Speaker 4: cute no more, you know what I mean.
- 30:58Speaker 3: It's like you now you may making it look bad.
- 31:00Speaker 3: You're making ratchet look horrible. Is you're giving it.
- 31:03Speaker 4: You're making the ladies look horrible. Like I don't like it,
- 31:06Speaker 4: you know, have some type of class demeanor about yourself.
- 31:09Speaker 4: It's getting out of control to me, and I think
- 31:12Speaker 4: she's taken to the level like I'm gonna be the
- 31:14Speaker 4: most ratchet, cold, is trifling, most ever and I'm sell
- 31:20Speaker 4: that I'm a capitalize off of it. Somebody that like you,
- 31:24Speaker 4: like what you're doing, is always gonna be somebody that
- 31:25Speaker 4: don't like what you do. That's what I have to
- 31:27Speaker 4: learn too. In the industry, we can't please everybody. We
- 31:30Speaker 4: had people that really love our songs. We had people
- 31:33Speaker 4: that really couldn't stand us for our song, you know,
- 31:35Speaker 4: but we know we struck a chord, whether you loved
- 31:37Speaker 4: it or not. You know, like a girl struck a
- 31:41Speaker 4: chord with me. You went too far with it. So
- 31:44Speaker 4: that's not my vibe. That's not I'm not into it
- 31:46Speaker 4: all the way like that, you know what I mean.
- 31:49Speaker 2: It's not your taste exactly, but I can get with them,
- 31:53Speaker 2: but that's just too that's.
- 31:54Speaker 3: A little too far.
- 31:57Speaker 4: Like I don't mind like I don't mind people having
- 32:00Speaker 4: with their bodies. I think it's beautiful to show your body,
- 32:02Speaker 4: but it's it's just the way the tastes. Some of
- 32:05Speaker 4: it be real tastes, Like I know I have buntion
- 32:07Speaker 4: on my body. I don't want to act like I'm
- 32:09Speaker 4: an old chick that don't respect people having fun with
- 32:12Speaker 4: their body, because I'm not that. I think it's dope
- 32:14Speaker 4: to be able to show your figure, your body and
- 32:16Speaker 4: look good and do your thing. But when it comes
- 32:18Speaker 4: when you you know, when you like she's she's a
- 32:20Speaker 4: little over the top. Mm, but like but like some
- 32:24Speaker 4: people gonna love you and you gotta do you gotta
- 32:27Speaker 4: do it as long as she my thing is, as
- 32:29Speaker 4: long as she being true to any artist, as long
- 32:31Speaker 4: as you being really authentic to yourself, or because a
- 32:33Speaker 4: lot of the lot of the behind the scenes stuff
- 32:35Speaker 4: with you and other people don't know, they have people
- 32:38Speaker 4: in their ear telling them you gotta do this, you
- 32:40Speaker 4: gotta do that. If she's she's really being her true
- 32:44Speaker 4: to herself, that's all good. But if you not, because
- 32:46Speaker 4: a lot of a lot of men be behind these
- 32:48Speaker 4: girls telling them to look a certain way, and it's
- 32:51Speaker 4: not it's not respect. It's not a woman telling another woman,
- 32:54Speaker 4: you know how to get your thing, you know how
- 32:55Speaker 4: to do your thing. It's usually a man behind them
- 32:58Speaker 4: telling them to look inappropriate like that, because there have.
- 33:01Speaker 2: Been a lot of female artists that came out and
- 33:03Speaker 2: said that either a man wrote their lyrics, a man
- 33:05Speaker 2: told him how to dress, or a man did this,
- 33:07Speaker 2: man did that. So I definitely agree that if this
- 33:10Speaker 2: is her, I hope this is just her doing her.
- 33:14Speaker 4: Exactly. I'm one of those people that I love. I
- 33:16Speaker 4: like writers because I'm a songwriter. I like girls that
- 33:19Speaker 4: write like I like Nikki. I don't mind her being
- 33:21Speaker 4: safe because that girl again, right, she's talented. Yeah, yeah,
- 33:25Speaker 4: she's tight.
- 33:26Speaker 3: So for me, it's no this to other people. I'm
- 33:28Speaker 3: just attracted to songwriters.
- 33:29Speaker 4: Now.
- 33:29Speaker 2: One of the things that I loved about y'all story
- 33:31Speaker 2: is because not only did y'all have a growing music career,
- 33:35Speaker 2: but y'all was also in college. Y'all was breaking nine
- 33:38Speaker 2: to fives. So how was it balancing everything?
- 33:43Speaker 3: Hard to tell, that's a good question.
- 33:46Speaker 4: We just did it. Yeah, and it was a lot.
- 33:48Speaker 3: But we just I don't know, like looking back.
- 33:52Speaker 4: And it's like, damn, I did all that. You don't
- 33:54Speaker 4: even realize you was juggling and all that like at
- 33:56Speaker 4: the time, right, just making.
- 33:58Speaker 3: It happen, just going with the flow, was just doing.
- 34:00Speaker 4: It, just doing like like you said, just doing I
- 34:03Speaker 4: think for us, it's like, you know what, I think,
- 34:08Speaker 4: here's to this day.
- 34:09Speaker 3: You can do anything you put your mind to.
- 34:11Speaker 4: But I think one of the problems and I keep
- 34:13Speaker 4: I'm gonna keep saying this is probably throw up the
- 34:15Speaker 4: whole conversation when you have internet, social media. See, we
- 34:18Speaker 4: didn't have all those distractions. We was focused, you know,
- 34:22Speaker 4: we were very focused.
- 34:23Speaker 3: There was no distract.
- 34:24Speaker 4: It was about where our mind was connected to what
- 34:27Speaker 4: we wanted to do. Oh I'm graduating, Oh I'm gonna
- 34:30Speaker 4: be an artist. I'm gonna do this. I like it
- 34:33Speaker 4: was not It was a lot, but it's like you
- 34:36Speaker 4: enjoyed it because you wanted you had a goal and
- 34:38Speaker 4: you have like distractions. Yeah, you're right, you're right.
- 34:43Speaker 2: And then y'all also mentioned the importance of having passion
- 34:45Speaker 2: in your art. Why do you believe that money shouldn't
- 34:48Speaker 2: be the primary motivation because I feel like when I
- 34:51Speaker 2: listen to a lot of people from the nineties, everybody
- 34:53Speaker 2: talk about how they got robbed of their contracts and stuff.
- 34:58Speaker 4: Yeah, it goes back to how I was saying about
- 34:59Speaker 4: how out now things are more microwaiver. But and it's
- 35:02Speaker 4: nice for them to get they coin, they money, they bag.
- 35:05Speaker 4: It's good that they getting their money. But people in
- 35:07Speaker 4: the nineties and the seventies, no, we wasn't getting a
- 35:09Speaker 4: coin like that. So if you didn't like it like
- 35:12Speaker 4: that because you're not getting paid like that, it had
- 35:14Speaker 4: to be from your passion because the money wasn't coming
- 35:18Speaker 4: like how they money come now. So that's why you
- 35:20Speaker 4: get those real authentic artists from the nineties and that
- 35:23Speaker 4: feel good news.
- 35:24Speaker 3: We really was, you.
- 35:25Speaker 4: Know, authentic, and it was like it wasn't about the money,
- 35:28Speaker 4: even though we wanted the money and earn later that
- 35:31Speaker 4: it was not right what was happening.
- 35:33Speaker 3: But we was very PASSI used That's what kept us going.
- 35:36Speaker 3: The passion.
- 35:37Speaker 4: Yeah, I was gonna stay with the passion. You can
- 35:39Speaker 4: regain and get more money, you know, because sometimes it
- 35:42Speaker 4: could be here today, gone tomorrow, or if you had
- 35:45Speaker 4: the money and it's gone then that might mentally mess
- 35:48Speaker 4: with you and send you down a spiraling path of
- 35:52Speaker 4: negativity or drugs or sex or whatever that could happen.
- 35:56Speaker 4: But if you have the passion for it, you know
- 35:58Speaker 4: that if I got it before, I can do it again.
- 36:01Speaker 4: You can choose other avenues or the venues with that passion.
- 36:05Speaker 4: So I think that's why having passion is so important
- 36:08Speaker 4: because you can recreate or create something else. Let me
- 36:12Speaker 4: and chat with this one though, not just passion, but
- 36:14Speaker 4: the spiritual. We had a very spiritual connection with you know,
- 36:17Speaker 4: our own you know, with our own spiritual connection with God.
- 36:20Speaker 4: And that has a lot to do with a lot
- 36:22Speaker 4: of people commit suicide, they drink or they get drugs,
- 36:25Speaker 4: they get messed up with drugs because you know, you
- 36:27Speaker 4: have a spiritual foundation and o Urts is pretty tight.
- 36:31Speaker 4: We communicated with each other. You gotta it's and then,
- 36:35Speaker 4: and I mean you gotta have it's a deep foundation.
- 36:38Speaker 4: You gotta have with God for real, the man above.
- 36:41Speaker 4: You have to have a spiritual connection. Because this music
- 36:43Speaker 4: business with TERRYO butt down.
- 36:45Speaker 2: That's how funny you mentioned that because it was a
- 36:47Speaker 2: clip of viral clip with Jamaina pre going around and
- 36:49Speaker 2: he was just saying a lot of reasons why these
- 36:51Speaker 2: R and B singers don't sound like any don't sound
- 36:54Speaker 2: like anything, but you can't really feel anything because they
- 36:56Speaker 2: don't have that spiritual connection because a lot of the
- 36:58Speaker 2: singers from back in the day were rooted in the church.
- 37:02Speaker 1: Yeah right, this is the moment of truth.
- 37:07Speaker 3: Will our guests reveal their.
- 37:09Speaker 1: Identity or keep it concealed? The choice is yours to
- 37:12Speaker 1: reveal or conceal?
- 37:15Speaker 3: What will it be costial? I'm down to reveal when
- 37:25Speaker 3: you can.
- 37:26Speaker 2: All right, please introduce yourselves.
- 37:30Speaker 4: What's up everybody? This is camp from moch and Steph.
- 37:34Speaker 3: Well, what's up y'all? This is Steph.
- 37:35Speaker 4: Who's gonna win a seat? Like Moking and Steph? But
- 37:38Speaker 4: they forgot were the ones that got you talking. That's
- 37:40Speaker 4: your neck talking negative.
- 37:41Speaker 3: But we do.
- 37:41Speaker 4: You want to be around like a goo, You want
- 37:43Speaker 4: to be down on spread and hey, it's like, wait,
- 37:45Speaker 4: I gotta get paid every day, gonna regulate what you
- 37:47Speaker 4: se me the magazine, your man feelix. I'm serving them
- 37:50Speaker 4: coast to coast. I was born to be a star,
- 37:52Speaker 4: pushing up blocks, steady off that yak?
- 37:54Speaker 3: What this is? Steph? Babe?
- 37:56Speaker 2: Okay, listen round the applause every morning around us a
- 38:01Speaker 2: fall listening to Stephanie. When you miss Stephanie, when you
- 38:04Speaker 2: have your next birthday party or whatever you have an event,
- 38:07Speaker 2: I need to be there.
- 38:08Speaker 4: Because you missed the last one. Because I know it
- 38:12Speaker 4: that you missed the last one.
- 38:15Speaker 3: We got to make sure you on that list.
- 38:17Speaker 2: Yes, I'm definitely coming because.
- 38:18Speaker 4: I'm gonna tell I'm gonna tell, I'm gonna tell you.
- 38:21Speaker 4: I love to laugh, so you're gonna definitely have some
- 38:22Speaker 4: commedians there.
- 38:23Speaker 3: I love to laugh. We're gonna be laughing girls.
- 38:25Speaker 2: Oh, already know, already know. And then also the third member,
- 38:29Speaker 2: miss Monifa, couldn't be with us today, but she is
- 38:31Speaker 2: here with us in spirit. So thank you ladies for
- 38:34Speaker 2: joining us. So tell us how did y'all decide on
- 38:37Speaker 2: your name? Because the name is all three of your
- 38:39Speaker 2: names combined.
- 38:41Speaker 4: Well, we were actually dancing with some dancers and another guide group.
- 38:46Speaker 4: We were dancing for a show and they were saying,
- 38:49Speaker 4: you know, how do we want to be introduced? And
- 38:51Speaker 4: we was like they were asking us what's our name?
- 38:53Speaker 4: It was like, we don't have a name, and of
- 38:54Speaker 4: course we was thinking of every name with a three
- 38:57Speaker 4: three the hard way, three to three to T. I
- 39:01Speaker 4: don't know. We was just speaking of different three names
- 39:03Speaker 4: and we happen to be standing in the formation of
- 39:07Speaker 4: Monifa King and Stephanie. We was just standing there ready
- 39:09Speaker 4: to do our routine, and we didn't come up with anything.
- 39:12Speaker 4: Nobody was really feeling anything. So the guy was like, well,
- 39:15Speaker 4: what about MOK and Steph the way we were just
- 39:20Speaker 4: the order we were in, and it right at that moment,
- 39:23Speaker 4: we all just loved it. And then Stephanie was like, well,
- 39:26Speaker 4: what about Steph? Can both? Why can't go the other way?
- 39:29Speaker 4: And we was like, that's true, but the bell just
- 39:33Speaker 4: sounded better that way. So we just all suck with it.
- 39:36Speaker 2: How do y'all feel? Y'all music has influenced today's R
- 39:38Speaker 2: and B or just music in general.
- 39:42Speaker 4: Oh, it influenced today's R and B and music in
- 39:46Speaker 4: general because it's so real, Like our song really is timeless,
- 39:50Speaker 4: because there's always a man cheating on a woman, and
- 39:53Speaker 4: there's always a woman taking her man back, and there's
- 39:56Speaker 4: always somebody in a relationship up and now now he's
- 40:00Speaker 4: your man, you know, So that's that cycle is constant.
- 40:03Speaker 4: It happened before we wrote it and it's gonna happen
- 40:06Speaker 4: after right, So so like TikTok brought us back because
- 40:12Speaker 4: it still goes on. No. I was saying, my daddy
- 40:14Speaker 4: is in high school, right, so it's so cool they
- 40:17Speaker 4: brought it all back.
- 40:17Speaker 3: One time, she's a cheerlead. I was at her game
- 40:20Speaker 3: and it was bumping my song. I said, what.
- 40:23Speaker 4: The high school wasn't I was like wow, and he
- 40:25Speaker 4: saw on TikTok. They we they you know, they researched it,
- 40:28Speaker 4: which is beautiful.
- 40:29Speaker 3: It's a blessing and we appreciate it.
- 40:32Speaker 4: Like Kean said, it's a classic song that resonates from
- 40:36Speaker 4: from back in the days to today. People like she said,
- 40:39Speaker 4: I think what really get people going. They everybody tried
- 40:42Speaker 4: to figure out what we really was talking about. But
- 40:44Speaker 4: it was so many different scenarios in that song. Said
- 40:49Speaker 4: He's mine, right.
- 40:51Speaker 3: I said it was. It was so it was so
- 40:53Speaker 3: many scenarios where he's mine mm hm.
- 40:55Speaker 4: Where you know, some people thought that we were saying
- 40:58Speaker 4: we was cool with letting the man cheated on us,
- 40:59Speaker 4: and that wasn't what we were saying. But you know,
- 41:01Speaker 4: we let people have their narrative. It was more like
- 41:03Speaker 4: when we wrote it. We were talking about everybody have
- 41:06Speaker 4: a man before you, and that man might not be
- 41:08Speaker 4: with you no more so now he got somebody else.
- 41:10Speaker 4: But you know, in another scenario, was like, and now
- 41:13Speaker 4: he's with he's mine. You made it, had him once
- 41:15Speaker 4: you would you might have been with her.
- 41:19Speaker 3: Yea, that was one.
- 41:20Speaker 4: In the other scenario like kid said one of the
- 41:23Speaker 4: group member's boyfriend, which you know he had cheated on her,
- 41:26Speaker 4: and the girl kept playing on her phone back on
- 41:29Speaker 4: the day, like Mo Mo had a dude and he
- 41:32Speaker 4: and the girl kept playing on the girl phone constantly.
- 41:35Speaker 4: So we was having jokes and we just it just
- 41:37Speaker 4: turned to joke. We were jokesters. It just turned to
- 41:39Speaker 4: jokes at the jokes at the joke with this girl,
- 41:41Speaker 4: you know what I'm saying. And she made us have
- 41:43Speaker 4: a hit plattin thank you for making us go platting
- 41:45Speaker 4: the baby.
- 41:45Speaker 2: I know she was tired.
- 41:47Speaker 4: And they playing them at weddings. Now I went to
- 41:50Speaker 4: a wedding, they play our song He's Mine real like, hey, yeah,
- 41:54Speaker 4: it's the good the wedding song of the year, and
- 41:57Speaker 4: don't forget to add it to your playlist.
- 41:59Speaker 2: But people see out and about and they say they say,
- 42:01Speaker 2: He's mind is like one of my favorite songs. Like,
- 42:03Speaker 2: how does that make y'all feel when people see y'all,
- 42:06Speaker 2: like you at the wedding or you at your child school? Like,
- 42:09Speaker 2: do people recognize that it's y'all that wrote these songs?
- 42:13Speaker 4: Yeah, you know, I think it beaut Yeah, it's it's
- 42:18Speaker 4: a good feeling because you know, from that to when
- 42:21Speaker 4: you even perform on stage, like when like we like
- 42:24Speaker 4: you did, say a wedding, we had went to a
- 42:25Speaker 4: birthday party and they had played it and at the time,
- 42:28Speaker 4: I don't think people knew that it was me and
- 42:30Speaker 4: Kenya there at the birthday party. Right, So sometimes sometimes
- 42:34Speaker 4: your song is bigger than your face, bigger than you name. Yeah, right,
- 42:42Speaker 4: I said, they was blowing, they was seeing, they had
- 42:43Speaker 4: a wonderful time, and then when they found out we
- 42:45Speaker 4: was in attendance, they was blown away. And it was
- 42:48Speaker 4: it was a beautiful feeling just to be laid back,
- 42:52Speaker 4: you know, in the cut right low key and seeing
- 42:55Speaker 4: the energy.
- 42:56Speaker 3: I think that's the one of the best feelings. It is.
- 42:58Speaker 4: It's a beautiful feeling.
- 43:00Speaker 2: Also feel like this the video of y'all performing live
- 43:02Speaker 2: of his Mind that's been going viral lately, have y'all seen.
- 43:06Speaker 4: That we saw the different ones, which one's a couple
- 43:12Speaker 4: of different ones.
- 43:13Speaker 3: I've seen a couple of them go viral too.
- 43:14Speaker 1: Well.
- 43:15Speaker 2: Yeah, like the song itself just been going viral again.
- 43:20Speaker 4: Yeah lately I haven't.
- 43:23Speaker 2: Yeah, it's been on Instagram, y'all have on the blue
- 43:27Speaker 2: dresses and that performance been going viral.
- 43:33Speaker 3: Yeah, I see a couple of them too.
- 43:35Speaker 4: I've definitely seen a couple of different things that we
- 43:38Speaker 4: had done performing live.
- 43:39Speaker 3: You know, we still perform live.
- 43:40Speaker 4: So I saw a couple of things going, you know,
- 43:43Speaker 4: going viral, and and it just feels good to see
- 43:46Speaker 4: the energy and of people and how how they respond
- 43:49Speaker 4: to it. I can't say every artist, but I think
- 43:52Speaker 4: since you've been out before, before the social media came
- 43:55Speaker 4: to life, we can handle the criticism better. Like it
- 43:59Speaker 4: doesn't bove already. We're strong in our conviction. We know
- 44:03Speaker 4: who we are, we know what we did. We wrote ourselves,
- 44:06Speaker 4: and we take responsibility for it. We take responsibility. We
- 44:10Speaker 4: was very when we did it. We did it ourselves.
- 44:11Speaker 4: Nobody made us write these. Our whole album we wrote
- 44:15Speaker 4: as it is, and that whole album we wrote and
- 44:19Speaker 4: it's like except one song. It was a remake from
- 44:21Speaker 4: Smokey Robinson. Much loved the Smokey Robinson. But you know,
- 44:24Speaker 4: we wrote everything pretty much. And I think because we
- 44:27Speaker 4: knew who we were, we had no social media, no
- 44:29Speaker 4: distractions like that always say that, And I think we're
- 44:32Speaker 4: very confident who we are because social that's what people's mental.
- 44:38Speaker 4: And I see I see some artists be clapping back
- 44:40Speaker 4: on like why do you care for me? I want
- 44:45Speaker 4: to be a psychologist for these artists and talk to
- 44:47Speaker 4: these artis to help them out, because I'm like, who
- 44:49Speaker 4: cares about it?
- 44:50Speaker 3: You don't even know these cats? Why are you.
- 44:54Speaker 2: Ar And y'all also faced some legal issues with his mind,
- 45:12Speaker 2: which I thought that was a lot of important lessons
- 45:15Speaker 2: that y'all shared. So can you share what those challenges
- 45:18Speaker 2: were and how they affected your experience with the song?
- 45:20Speaker 2: Because if I'm not mistaken this Stephanie, you didn't want
- 45:22Speaker 2: nothing to do with the song after y'all went through it, right, I.
- 45:26Speaker 3: Sure didn't didn't.
- 45:27Speaker 4: I didn't want that to be the single because once
- 45:30Speaker 4: I started learning the business. That's another thing we talked
- 45:32Speaker 4: about in our book called Unfinished Business that will be
- 45:34Speaker 4: coming out soon. We talk about how like you know you.
- 45:38Speaker 4: I was not happy about once I found out what
- 45:41Speaker 4: they were trying to take. Because see, in this business,
- 45:44Speaker 4: when you when you uh, I don't just say like
- 45:49Speaker 4: copy another person's song or I don't want to say copy,
- 45:52Speaker 4: but you know, when you you might be like yes, sample, yeah,
- 45:56Speaker 4: thank you. The producer that produced it was an amazing produce.
- 46:00Speaker 4: His name is Henry, A wonderful. He's a live he's
- 46:03Speaker 4: not just a producer, but he's a live musician. Amazing. Yeah,
- 46:08Speaker 4: he's very amazed. So I think what was crazy about
- 46:11Speaker 4: our situation. He played these samples live, but in court
- 46:17Speaker 4: it was like he was like, I didn't copy off
- 46:18Speaker 4: whatever happened, He didn't copy off for print. It was
- 46:21Speaker 4: like Prince the Wonderful, Prince Rescis Soul and Roger and Zapp.
- 46:25Speaker 4: So our song had those type of you know, samples
- 46:28Speaker 4: in it, but he replayed it, didn't wait in court.
- 46:32Speaker 4: He replayed it and did a whole nother little twist
- 46:34Speaker 4: to it a little bit.
- 46:35Speaker 3: But for the you know, for the as.
- 46:37Speaker 4: Far as the court they saw it looking like, oh
- 46:39Speaker 4: this is a Prince sample. This is so we didn't
- 46:42Speaker 4: look we in that, but we wasn't even a part
- 46:44Speaker 4: of that whole suit. We didn't even know until it
- 46:45Speaker 4: came back to us and I said, well, I'm good,
- 46:47Speaker 4: let's just do Sex and the Ring. That's our other single.
- 46:50Speaker 4: We wrote it, he lied, played it, no samples, you
- 46:53Speaker 4: know what I'm saying.
- 46:54Speaker 3: So I was like, I'm good.
- 46:55Speaker 4: So you know, at that time, I was not feeling
- 46:58Speaker 4: to put it out because once I realized how much
- 47:00Speaker 4: money they're gonna be taking from that, I was like, oh,
- 47:02Speaker 4: wait a minute, hold up, we're not really getting nothing
- 47:04Speaker 4: from it.
- 47:05Speaker 3: Voted, I got out voted. Basically, I was out voted.
- 47:10Speaker 3: But it's all good now.
- 47:12Speaker 2: Yeah, And I know y'all have a book coming out,
- 47:14Speaker 2: and I'm sure this would be covering more in detail.
- 47:16Speaker 2: But can y'all share y'all decision or the reason why
- 47:19Speaker 2: y'all stepped away from music?
- 47:21Speaker 4: It's in the book. You got any any thing you
- 47:27Speaker 4: can say without saying so something.
- 47:30Speaker 3: It's.
- 47:32Speaker 4: It's definitely in the book. And you get to find
- 47:34Speaker 4: see what's cool about the book. It's like it's three perspectives.
- 47:38Speaker 4: Like you know, when people write books, you don't have
- 47:40Speaker 4: everybody brightening. It might be one person telling their story
- 47:42Speaker 4: by theyself. But in this situation, it's a mocking steph book.
- 47:46Speaker 4: That's three perspectives and you get to find out like
- 47:49Speaker 4: who who walked away first?
- 47:51Speaker 3: And like how it? You know, what's that chapter we
- 47:55Speaker 3: got caught in?
- 47:57Speaker 4: Oh you put me on spot?
- 47:59Speaker 3: It's in the book, So.
- 48:02Speaker 4: Just a chapter that explained the fallout there you go.
- 48:07Speaker 2: Do y'all have any regrets about the decision looking back
- 48:10Speaker 2: now about stepping away and leaving the music industry?
- 48:16Speaker 4: I don't, not, Stephanie.
- 48:19Speaker 3: I didn't. I didn't like it at all, and I
- 48:21Speaker 3: talked about in the book.
- 48:22Speaker 4: So that's why I said the three perspectives, you're going
- 48:24Speaker 4: to find out who did what and why that person
- 48:28Speaker 4: did it. But I would say for myself, just to
- 48:31Speaker 4: give you like a little bit, I was not feeling
- 48:33Speaker 4: that decision.
- 48:34Speaker 2: Oh sorry, process of elimination.
- 48:36Speaker 3: Right, Yes, you know.
- 48:40Speaker 2: I feel like y'all have just had so much talent.
- 48:42Speaker 2: I mean, y'all was dancers, y'all was singers, y'all was rappers,
- 48:45Speaker 2: y'all was fly, y'all had personality. Do y'all believe y'all
- 48:48Speaker 2: had a first shot?
- 48:48Speaker 3: Oh?
- 48:49Speaker 2: Do y'all feel like the label knew what they was
- 48:50Speaker 2: doing with y'all.
- 48:52Speaker 4: They didn't have They didn't have maybe, girl, you said
- 48:55Speaker 4: the right now and we talk about in the book.
- 48:57Speaker 3: It's so funny. We talk about that in the book.
- 48:58Speaker 3: But no, they didn't understand that.
- 49:00Speaker 4: Yeah, we were very were very creative, right and thank
- 49:04Speaker 4: you for that compliment.
- 49:05Speaker 3: We were very creative.
- 49:07Speaker 4: We had some ideas that Missy Elliott did later on
- 49:10Speaker 4: her video.
- 49:11Speaker 3: We we love Missy Ellie. We was crazy.
- 49:14Speaker 4: Miss had track or I had that idea and told
- 49:18Speaker 4: them way before Missy came out with it. And I
- 49:20Speaker 4: love Missy because she was created her her people had
- 49:24Speaker 4: her back. Yes, we was crazy talking like that. We
- 49:28Speaker 4: was like, oh we want to do this, Yeah, almost
- 49:31Speaker 4: idea that we a lot of ideas that we came out.
- 49:35Speaker 4: We saw it come out in other groups and we
- 49:37Speaker 4: would get so frustrated because it's like we would have
- 49:41Speaker 4: been the ones the first to show that VII do
- 49:43Speaker 4: that we did, and it was just they made it
- 49:47Speaker 4: seem like we didn't know what we was talking about,
- 49:49Speaker 4: or it was so hard to put together, or oh
- 49:52Speaker 4: we can't do that or whatever the flat back was.
- 49:56Speaker 4: They just wasn't feeling it. But we knew what we
- 49:58Speaker 4: wanted to do. So our wasn't all the way for
- 50:02Speaker 4: us like we wanted them to be, or like they
- 50:04Speaker 4: should have been. Mm hmm. Add to what King is
- 50:08Speaker 4: saying when he said about a fair shot. You know what,
- 50:10Speaker 4: we are thankful for our blessings that we did receive,
- 50:13Speaker 4: but no, did we get a fair shot in certain
- 50:15Speaker 4: things because you know why, because we spoke our mind.
- 50:19Speaker 4: We was very real and we wasn't like, yes, kiss
- 50:21Speaker 4: ass group. A lot of groups are they kiss a
- 50:24Speaker 4: lot of ass? No, it's a lot of ass. They
- 50:28Speaker 4: want to be so you know, they want they want
- 50:30Speaker 4: to make it so they're gonna do everything that they
- 50:32Speaker 4: tell them.
- 50:33Speaker 3: We would we would say no, mm hmm.
- 50:36Speaker 4: We would say we ain't showing our asses like that,
- 50:39Speaker 4: opening our croaches to do a video. She ain't doing
- 50:42Speaker 4: all that. We're not wearing Playboy. We're gonna be sexy out.
- 50:45Speaker 4: We want to be sexy. Listen.
- 50:46Speaker 2: I just know once I get a good with y'all,
- 50:49Speaker 2: I can't wait to keep it she got.
- 50:53Speaker 4: Because I know she.
- 50:55Speaker 2: Right performance.
- 50:58Speaker 3: I'm gonna be right there.
- 50:59Speaker 2: Because I had a version, because I know miss definitely
- 51:06Speaker 2: was nothing to play with. Baby, No, ma'am Okay, we
- 51:11Speaker 2: almost finisheduff y'all can go back and do anything differently
- 51:13Speaker 2: in your music career, what would it be and.
- 51:15Speaker 4: Why really standing up to the labels and really standing
- 51:23Speaker 4: firm and not just swaying with the I for me,
- 51:27Speaker 4: not just swaying with the idea just to you know,
- 51:30Speaker 4: a piece the group or a piece the group, just
- 51:33Speaker 4: really just staying true to who I was, because who
- 51:37Speaker 4: I was was what I see right now, you know,
- 51:40Speaker 4: like starting out as new artists, it's like, oh, I
- 51:42Speaker 4: should have just stayed that way. I shouldn't have changed
- 51:44Speaker 4: my lyrics, or I shouldn't have not wrote on this
- 51:47Speaker 4: song or whatever, and just always stand in your ground.
- 51:51Speaker 4: Like for me, I wish I would always did that
- 51:53Speaker 4: because the artists after us, we're doing it and it's
- 51:58Speaker 4: just snowball into what it is now. I would say maybe,
- 52:05Speaker 4: but taking a certain I would say, like we should
- 52:08Speaker 4: have took this publishing deal.
- 52:09Speaker 2: We were like, we were very like the one with
- 52:12Speaker 2: Randy Jackson.
- 52:13Speaker 3: We were.
- 52:15Speaker 4: Oh no, with Randy Jackson, he was all good, that
- 52:18Speaker 4: was a good situation, but he ended up getting a
- 52:19Speaker 4: job with an American IDOL. So that's how I knew
- 52:22Speaker 4: that that would have been a great situation. He was
- 52:25Speaker 4: very he was feeling us. He was at MCA Records
- 52:28Speaker 4: at that time, so that was a very good look.
- 52:30Speaker 3: So no, it wasn't. It was a publishing deal.
- 52:32Speaker 4: Like in this business, you have to see where writers, right,
- 52:36Speaker 4: So when you're a songwriter, you can say no or
- 52:40Speaker 4: yes to a publishing deal. So I think we would
- 52:43Speaker 4: have got a lot more money if we would have
- 52:44Speaker 4: said yes to it was a publish deal that was
- 52:46Speaker 4: being offered to us, and we was like, no, we
- 52:48Speaker 4: weren't all on song like you now, what's his name.
- 52:53Speaker 3: And what's his name?
- 52:54Speaker 4: He's an artist, dang I just lost his name, but
- 52:58Speaker 4: he was a solo artist and his mother back in
- 53:01Speaker 4: the days, dang I cannot forget it better than his name.
- 53:04Speaker 3: I'm so mad.
- 53:05Speaker 4: But anyway I'm saying this to say is that his
- 53:09Speaker 4: mother made the decision to be like, you know what,
- 53:11Speaker 4: I'm gonna keep, We're not gonna sell and do the
- 53:14Speaker 4: and it worked for him, the publishing deal.
- 53:16Speaker 3: He's he he's see.
- 53:17Speaker 4: Very successful, very financially well off. But his mother made
- 53:21Speaker 4: and we did the same thing. But for us, because
- 53:23Speaker 4: of the sampling and because of the editor. That's why
- 53:27Speaker 4: you got and that's how we talk about in our
- 53:29Speaker 4: book you have to be educated when you get to
- 53:31Speaker 4: these labels. At the beginning, there were some things that
- 53:33Speaker 4: we lacked knowledge of, and because we were songwriters and
- 53:38Speaker 4: it was a sample that he was not aware of,
- 53:40Speaker 4: that was gonna be taking majority of the funds, ninety
- 53:44Speaker 4: percent of the money. We could have did a publish deal,
- 53:47Speaker 4: made so much money off of that because we were
- 53:49Speaker 4: writers and write for other people. But we said, oh, no,
- 53:52Speaker 4: you're a publish deal. So I regret that me because
- 53:56Speaker 4: we would have got more. Would have said yes to
- 53:58Speaker 4: that published See puppies dealer. They'll get you like a
- 54:00Speaker 4: million or whatever the case may be. Whatever you negotiate,
- 54:03Speaker 4: and you don't know what your that's gonna be. It's
- 54:06Speaker 4: like it's like a publishing company taking a risk on
- 54:08Speaker 4: your Yeah, take it like, oh, I'm gonna give them
- 54:12Speaker 4: a million.
- 54:13Speaker 3: This song is so hot, I'm gonna give them a
- 54:15Speaker 3: million or whatever.
- 54:16Speaker 4: We should have said yes to those to that particular
- 54:18Speaker 4: situation instead of saying no, we said no. I can
- 54:21Speaker 4: see why we said no because we wrote it. But
- 54:24Speaker 4: then once the politics come behind the sampling, that was
- 54:27Speaker 4: a lot of money that was taken away from us.
- 54:30Speaker 2: What brought y'all back together? Was it the book?
- 54:36Speaker 3: Yep, it was the book.
- 54:38Speaker 4: Wanted to tell our story. Wanted to tell our story
- 54:41Speaker 4: because it was unfinished. That's why it's titled Unfinished Business,
- 54:45Speaker 4: because there was things that needed to be talked about,
- 54:48Speaker 4: and this was a segue to get you know, once
- 54:52Speaker 4: we put this book out, we knew shows and people
- 54:54Speaker 4: were going to be inquiring about us, which just happened,
- 54:57Speaker 4: and you know, and that would be a chance for
- 54:59Speaker 4: us to finish what we wanted to do and get
- 55:02Speaker 4: our story out there at the same time providing information
- 55:06Speaker 4: for those coming behind us. So we will all tell
- 55:10Speaker 4: our perspective on a certain situation, whether it was good, bad,
- 55:13Speaker 4: or ugly. But then there was a lesson behind that
- 55:16Speaker 4: as well. So and so, like I told you earlier,
- 55:19Speaker 4: it's a great read, it's entertaining, It got t and information.
- 55:26Speaker 3: Now.
- 55:26Speaker 4: I like the photos because cannot get those thirty five
- 55:30Speaker 4: millimeters camera.
- 55:31Speaker 3: Photos back in the day.
- 55:34Speaker 4: After you see with certain people and like the stories
- 55:37Speaker 4: what was going Let me, you don't look at the
- 55:38Speaker 4: picture and you'd be like, I wonder what they was
- 55:40Speaker 4: doing in this picture? We talk about what we're doing
- 55:42Speaker 4: in that picture, right, whether it's what be Daddy came.
- 55:46Speaker 3: Mary J.
- 55:47Speaker 4: Blige or whatever whoever he was in contact with. We
- 55:50Speaker 4: talk about those moments and I think and it makes
- 55:54Speaker 4: a very good read because you I know me, I
- 55:57Speaker 4: don't time be looking in the picture and I'd be like, damn,
- 55:59Speaker 4: I wonder what was going on? Right, But that's something
- 56:01Speaker 4: that's not We're talking about it from back in the days,
- 56:04Speaker 4: and it's ours our and Kenya was our little photographer
- 56:08Speaker 4: back then. Now people have photographers going with She was
- 56:10Speaker 4: the photographer, she was the historian selfie.
- 56:15Speaker 2: But in one of your interviews I was listening to,
- 56:18Speaker 2: someone mentioned that y'all regret that y'all didn't take y'all,
- 56:21Speaker 2: y'all didn't jump in on the internet when they started
- 56:23Speaker 2: booming so with social media. Do y'all remember that somebody
- 56:26Speaker 2: saying that, like somebody had to regret that. I think
- 56:29Speaker 2: somebody was telling y'all, y'all trying to figure things out
- 56:31Speaker 2: after your contract, y'all, y'all trying to figure out what
- 56:34Speaker 2: would be the next move, and the guy was like,
- 56:36Speaker 2: y'all need to do get into the internet, Like y'all
- 56:38Speaker 2: need to get started with that. So being as social
- 56:41Speaker 2: media is what it is today, do y'all think that
- 56:43Speaker 2: y'all journey may have been different if y'all would to
- 56:45Speaker 2: embrace it the internet.
- 56:50Speaker 4: Yes, because of the simple fact that's something and just
- 56:54Speaker 4: embracing the internet would have brought something different. But it's
- 56:56Speaker 4: like we our career went through that transition, and that's
- 57:01Speaker 4: one of the reasons why we was always like a
- 57:04Speaker 4: beat behind. So we were in the old school way
- 57:07Speaker 4: of doing music. Then it started going into MP three's,
- 57:10Speaker 4: and then the music industry got scared because they was
- 57:12Speaker 4: losing music and money, you know, because people can download
- 57:15Speaker 4: it for free, so you were losing it. Then it
- 57:18Speaker 4: went to the CDs, and then then we kept going
- 57:22Speaker 4: through the changes and transitions. So when you had a
- 57:25Speaker 4: deal with somebody like I forgot his name already, that
- 57:28Speaker 4: went to we were just talking about him, he was
- 57:30Speaker 4: had a writing deal for us. Oh well, when we
- 57:33Speaker 4: were in there in talks with him, the company changes.
- 57:37Speaker 3: He moves on. So every time we met somebody that.
- 57:39Speaker 4: Were changes in the industry or changes with their department,
- 57:43Speaker 4: so that would change whatever deal we had in motion.
- 57:46Speaker 4: So if we would have been able to, you know,
- 57:50Speaker 4: cap jump in and capitalize on that. Of course things
- 57:53Speaker 4: would have been different, and we did, but again we
- 57:56Speaker 4: was always that beat behind behind, right, yeah, constantly changing.
- 58:00Speaker 4: People didn't know their next move, right or what's the
- 58:04Speaker 4: best move. And thank god for me and King having
- 58:08Speaker 4: degrees because you know, outside from this, I was a teacher,
- 58:12Speaker 4: right I tickled. I mean I still rapping, like doing
- 58:15Speaker 4: stuff like I did, like some stuff my teachers with
- 58:17Speaker 4: different people forty. Yeah, I was doing stuff like with
- 58:20Speaker 4: E forty with like different features with the relatives neop
- 58:26Speaker 4: dog like I have like features of me rapping on
- 58:28Speaker 4: my own. But you know like that, I mean I
- 58:32Speaker 4: did stuff, but I also became a teacher and kind
- 58:34Speaker 4: of put that in my teaching and I would do
- 58:36Speaker 4: our little rides for my my my students and stuff
- 58:39Speaker 4: like that. But you know, it was one of those
- 58:41Speaker 4: things like I said, it was like so you know,
- 58:44Speaker 4: everybody was losing money because if you remember the CD burning,
- 58:48Speaker 4: people was burning them CDs and so artists was not
- 58:51Speaker 4: making money. Instead of me being on drugs, I said,
- 58:53Speaker 4: let me use my degree.
- 58:55Speaker 2: Yeah yeah, yeah, and you.
- 58:58Speaker 4: Know, see if we can get back in this game,
- 59:00Speaker 4: and you know, that's how to and that's how the fallout,
- 59:03Speaker 4: you know, it's part of the fallout happened. But I
- 59:05Speaker 4: still was still actively working doing stuff with other people,
- 59:08Speaker 4: but not remota step, not us as a group, because
- 59:12Speaker 4: I loved it so much, of this so much so.
- 59:16Speaker 2: So what advice would you give to young women who
- 59:18Speaker 2: are just now entering the music industry today based on
- 59:21Speaker 2: your experiences.
- 59:23Speaker 4: I would say, be very anything that you're involved in,
- 59:26Speaker 4: know what you're getting into. Know what you're getting into.
- 59:29Speaker 4: Make sure you have an attorney, Do not take a
- 59:32Speaker 4: lot in and be so don't be so excited to
- 59:35Speaker 4: be down. Don't be so excited to be involved, Like,
- 59:38Speaker 4: make sure your business sounding And you know what, now,
- 59:41Speaker 4: you don't really need a label. You can do this
- 59:43Speaker 4: stuff independ if you're willing to do the work. You
- 59:45Speaker 4: have to do the work. Though, you can be independent
- 59:48Speaker 4: and make your own and that's the and that's a
- 59:51Speaker 4: good thing for them. Now you don't need a label
- 59:53Speaker 4: to make you who you are. You got to support
- 59:56Speaker 4: from social media and you can get that instant grati vacation.
- 1:00:00Speaker 4: But you still want to know when all that money
- 1:00:03Speaker 4: come to you. You want to know how you deal
- 1:00:05Speaker 4: with it financially. Management, business management. You got to have
- 1:00:08Speaker 4: your business in order right because you don't know it
- 1:00:11Speaker 4: happened so quick. It can happen so fast next one
- 1:00:14Speaker 4: day you could be talking like right now next to
- 1:00:16Speaker 4: your millionaire.
- 1:00:17Speaker 3: Or you can make it.
- 1:00:18Speaker 4: You know, you can be doing so you have to
- 1:00:20Speaker 4: know what you're getting involved in so you can keep
- 1:00:23Speaker 4: the success going for yourself.
- 1:00:27Speaker 2: And last one, not least, what do you think is
- 1:00:30Speaker 2: the legacy of Mocha stuff.
- 1:00:32Speaker 4: I think the legacy would probably ben being authentic. We
- 1:00:37Speaker 4: was always authentic. I think our legacy of being authentic
- 1:00:40Speaker 4: and no one can say that we you know, we
- 1:00:43Speaker 4: never we never backed down on who we were, even
- 1:00:47Speaker 4: though there was there was some moments that we did
- 1:00:50Speaker 4: like kind of had to change some stuff up and
- 1:00:52Speaker 4: we couldn't be ourself with our music. But when it
- 1:00:55Speaker 4: came down to our dignity, we can't. We We wasn't
- 1:01:01Speaker 4: out there, you know, having sex with different artists. We
- 1:01:03Speaker 4: wasn't doing stuff. We wasn't playing ourself like that. We
- 1:01:06Speaker 4: were very you know, we was very smart about that.
- 1:01:10Speaker 4: Our dignity meant a lot. Ourentegreave meant a lot to us.
- 1:01:14Speaker 4: We can go to bed at night. I think we
- 1:01:15Speaker 4: can go to bed at night and be like we
- 1:01:17Speaker 4: didn't We didn't sell our soul, right right, Like I
- 1:01:22Speaker 4: think I think one I think one artists say this.
- 1:01:24Speaker 4: I think it's Maya. Maya's kind of like us. She
- 1:01:27Speaker 4: she didn't sell us. So it's like we didn't sell
- 1:01:30Speaker 4: our soul. And I think the authenticity of our music
- 1:01:33Speaker 4: it lives long because nobody wrote it for us.
- 1:01:36Speaker 3: We wrote it ourselves.
- 1:01:37Speaker 4: It was us as a collective doing what we needed
- 1:01:41Speaker 4: to do, from dancing to sing it.
- 1:01:43Speaker 3: So no one could take that away from us, no one,
- 1:01:45Speaker 3: right right.
- 1:01:47Speaker 2: Well, it's definitely and miss Kenya. I really enjoyed y'all
- 1:01:49Speaker 2: on the show. I'm so happy that we were able
- 1:01:51Speaker 2: to do this, and I cannot wait for my audience
- 1:01:54Speaker 2: to hear this because I feel like I grew up
- 1:01:55Speaker 2: on your music and I had a memory that completely forgot.
- 1:01:58Speaker 2: But I remember y'all being on all that.
- 1:02:02Speaker 3: Girl. I know, girl, that was such a fun moment.
- 1:02:05Speaker 3: All that. I loved all.
- 1:02:06Speaker 4: That, right that was when you saw that that that
- 1:02:09Speaker 4: stuff was so much fun.
- 1:02:11Speaker 2: Yes, that was such a vibe.
- 1:02:13Speaker 4: Like I missed shows like that, So when you talking
- 1:02:16Speaker 4: about certain I missed shows.
- 1:02:18Speaker 3: Like that like all that. That was the wonderful. It
- 1:02:21Speaker 3: was very fun.
- 1:02:23Speaker 4: Like you know, I think Saturday Life is like more
- 1:02:25Speaker 4: like that, but you know, Saturday Life kind of give
- 1:02:27Speaker 4: that in an adult version that that was a fun vibe.
- 1:02:30Speaker 2: No, I mean too. I mean the nineties itself was
- 1:02:33Speaker 2: just that that's an error where you just you can't
- 1:02:36Speaker 2: duplicate it, like you just had to be there.
- 1:02:39Speaker 4: You just had to be there and and girl and
- 1:02:42Speaker 4: you know you had to be there. And it's so
- 1:02:44Speaker 4: funny that I think that that's what I like about
- 1:02:47Speaker 4: our book because let me tell you, I was like, Dad,
- 1:02:50Speaker 4: I can't believe you got a picture of this. It's
- 1:02:52Speaker 4: certain things that you be tripping off of, Like wow,
- 1:02:56Speaker 4: we had a picture of this and it was so
- 1:02:59Speaker 4: long ago, you know what I mean. That's what That's
- 1:03:01Speaker 4: what makes it so beautiful because you know now you
- 1:03:04Speaker 4: can see everything so quick, right, but just imagine all
- 1:03:09Speaker 4: these pictures of stuff you like, wow, look house, I
- 1:03:12Speaker 4: used to look out. We even cracked jokes, even in
- 1:03:14Speaker 4: our book. We cracked jokes about ourselves how crazy we looked.
- 1:03:17Speaker 4: On a couple of moments were like why did we
- 1:03:20Speaker 4: let them do this? It's like like we we are
- 1:03:24Speaker 4: very talking about other people, but we're talking about we
- 1:03:28Speaker 4: have jokes for ourselves as well.
- 1:03:29Speaker 3: It's funny.
- 1:03:31Speaker 4: It's a picture with the Brat. The Brat and Jermaine Dupree,
- 1:03:36Speaker 4: we was at like a show performing. They was like
- 1:03:38Speaker 4: in the front road watching us, Like those are beautiful
- 1:03:40Speaker 4: moments seeing them like so in tune watching us perform
- 1:03:44Speaker 4: back and before they before they was even like hot,
- 1:03:47Speaker 4: they was watching us at like a They used to
- 1:03:49Speaker 4: do these major like show showcases right and the label,
- 1:03:53Speaker 4: whatever label was signed to, they would be proud to
- 1:03:57Speaker 4: to you know, to promote their acts, so you'll be
- 1:04:00Speaker 4: performed for all kinds of industry people. It wasn't even
- 1:04:03Speaker 4: like outside people's more industry driven, so only people that
- 1:04:06Speaker 4: was in the industry got to go to least things.
- 1:04:09Speaker 4: So so when I see this picture of the Brad
- 1:04:11Speaker 4: and Jermaine the Prey always were so tight and they
- 1:04:14Speaker 4: still tied to this day and it's just nice to
- 1:04:15Speaker 4: see them right next to each other watching us in
- 1:04:17Speaker 4: the front row performing. Yeah, you know, it's it's amazing,
- 1:04:22Speaker 4: you know.
- 1:04:23Speaker 2: So ladies, tell us what is this book coming out?
- 1:04:25Speaker 2: And also let everyone know where they can follow you at.
- 1:04:28Speaker 4: Please follow us at the Real moch and Steph Instagram,
- 1:04:33Speaker 4: at the Real moch and Stuff Facebook, at the Real
- 1:04:36Speaker 4: molch and Stuff uh website. Everything is the Real moch
- 1:04:42Speaker 4: and Steph except for the website is mochusteph dot com.
- 1:04:47Speaker 4: Thank you, m ok and stm mochusteff dot com. Up
- 1:04:53Speaker 4: finished business. We will be definitely selling you know, real soon.
- 1:04:57Speaker 4: It's coming soon. We're so excited about it.
- 1:04:59Speaker 3: We're done with it.
- 1:05:00Speaker 4: We was just you know, doing It's like so we
- 1:05:03Speaker 4: have to hurry, but let it go because you know,
- 1:05:05Speaker 4: stuff be happening to well, I got to go back
- 1:05:06Speaker 4: and say this right, let it go and I and
- 1:05:09Speaker 4: we feel like going now, but we just have to.
- 1:05:13Speaker 3: Stop.
- 1:05:16Speaker 2: Edity definitely give me a post on the book so
- 1:05:18Speaker 2: we can have you back on the show so we
- 1:05:20Speaker 2: can talk more in debt about your journey once the
- 1:05:22Speaker 2: book comes out. But I'm definitely looking forward to supporting
- 1:05:25Speaker 2: and also sharing it with my listeners.
- 1:05:27Speaker 3: Oh yes, it's gonna be awesome. You know what I
- 1:05:30Speaker 3: love about you? Girl? You did your homework.
- 1:05:32Speaker 4: Don't play with the girl you are about that, I'm
- 1:05:35Speaker 4: telling you it feels so And let me tell you
- 1:05:36Speaker 4: some about artists. Artists really appreciate you people when they
- 1:05:40Speaker 4: interview and they know they know who they're talking to.
- 1:05:42Speaker 2: Yeah, no, it was really I told Miss Kenyan before
- 1:05:45Speaker 2: you join. I'm like, it's really an ardor to have
- 1:05:47Speaker 2: you all. Have you all all because I remember seeing
- 1:05:49Speaker 2: you to this day, I still seen y'all songs, so
- 1:05:52Speaker 2: I'm pretty sure that hearing y'all show, yeah, I'm pretty
- 1:05:54Speaker 2: sure once my listeners hear your show, they're going to
- 1:05:56Speaker 2: be even more excited that you were a part of
- 1:05:58Speaker 2: the Professional Homegirl Podcast. So I really appreciate y'all, ladies.
- 1:06:03Speaker 4: Now, yes, come on, I love it.
- 1:06:09Speaker 2: Yes, I'll see y'all some shirts and stuff so y'all
- 1:06:13Speaker 2: can wear it.
- 1:06:13Speaker 4: So I definitely, yes, definitely, definitely, we're gonna tag you girl.
- 1:06:17Speaker 3: We're gonna tag you queen. Yes, yes, yes.
- 1:06:20Speaker 2: And to the listeners, if you have any questions, comments,
- 1:06:22Speaker 2: or concerns, please make sure to email me and hello
- 1:06:24Speaker 2: at the PHG podcast dot com. This has been a pleasure, ladies,
- 1:06:28Speaker 2: and I am so appreciative of you all. So until
- 1:06:31Speaker 2: next time, everyone, ladies and gentlemen, mooking stuff, thank.
- 1:06:37Speaker 4: You, laughing, light bag bag, thank you.
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