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I'm very excited about this episode of The Ranch Radio
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podcast. You might remember a few
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episodes ago, we spoke with Gabriel Ryan, Berg and others
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from the center for Unity project.
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What is the Jesus metaverse? Well, it started with an idea
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Gabriel. Who, by the way, was
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instrumental. In the Rancher book Hebrew
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translation had the idea of taking the life and teachings of
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Jesus from the Rancho book and creating an enormous
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cross-referencing database. That connects the events, the
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people and the ideas of Jesus during his life based on the
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life and teachings of Jesus from the Urantia book.
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And so the idea was born What we're going to learn in this
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podcast, is how the pieces came together and what the potential
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this project has for inspiring generations to come.
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What's more this project involves?
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Urantia book readers from all over the world.
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So let's sit back and learn all about the Jesus metaverse.
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Oh, and PS, his metaverse has nothing to do with wearing funny
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goggles or joining Facebook. What's Happening Here is nothing
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short of exciting, could even be a game.
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Changer for the Revelation. So let me begin as Gabriel
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introduces his team featuring Gary Tong, Lisa, Tau and Andre
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Reed Otis as we jump into the Jesus metaverse in this episode
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of the Rancher Radio podcast. Gabriel, first of all.
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Thank you so much for coming back.
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I've got nothing but great response.
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People are just so excited about what you, what you are doing.
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Briefly introduce your team and then we'll get into the
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specifics about what each person is.
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Doing with this project, great. So, thank you for having us
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again. We also are getting a lot of
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responses, and positive, feedbacks and donations, so
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something obviously is working, and we're very grateful.
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We have Lisa and Gary who are from Canada from the Vancouver
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area. And there are husband and wife,
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team story in it of itself and Andre from the Boulder Colorado
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area. Andre is responsible for our
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editorial. Voice is going to be both
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creating content and also editing specifically the written
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content. We're creating original.
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Basically secondary Works based on part 4 of you Rancher books.
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So, Andre is going to be as a long-term reader as a student of
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this book, as a master of English and writer, he's going
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to lend all of these. Scales into creating beautiful
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Pages. Lisa is going to design visually
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and design. The Experience, somebody will go
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through this metaverse, which is a software product and Gary is
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artistic director. He everything, you will see with
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your eyes, it has to do with colors and shapes and how things
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blend together artistically. This is as many people in our
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community. No his his great gift.
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So he will be lending those skills.
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So we like to call ourselves the user experience and content
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creation T. There tomorrow we will meet
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another aspect of the metaverse, which is the data curation team
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and we'll get into those details.
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Yeah, this is, this is our team and we'll be happy to delve
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deeper. So let's delve deeper, tell me
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the Eject started. When I'm, we talked a little bit
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in the previous podcast about your experiences and your life
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leading up to the point where you came upon this idea.
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So when did it, when did it first?
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Like the expression when did you break ground?
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And what was that experience? So about the end of July last
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year, July, 20, 21. I had many discussions with Jim
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English, who produced The Beautiful.
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Work called the untold story of Jesus.
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It's now in its second printing. So we were discussing many ideas
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and he heard about the meta first, I mean, everybody hears
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that word, of course, now with Facebook and meta it's becoming
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a little bit of punch line to a joke.
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We'll discuss these aspects a little bit later.
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But Jim came with this idea of Something that goes deeper into
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the life and teachings of Jesus. And when he mentioned in this
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discussion, he mentioned the word or the works of the master
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seraphim who servers as Clearing, Houses of information,
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and that expression, I don't remember the exact quote, but
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that expression got me, not thinking, but it was, is like a
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seed that started working with Amy.
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And I think I month later I just woke up one Saturday morning.
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I'll be a big graphic but not too graphic.
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I went to the toilet but I took my phone and I was sitting on
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the toilet and talking and I talked for like three minutes I
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recorded it. I knew I had to record it and
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what my ears heard where basically the foundation.
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In, for this project. This was late July.
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I share this with Gary, which we did a lot of things together.
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I share this with, with Jim and then, the next thing that
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happened is okay. Let's do, let's build a computer
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model for describing the entire life and teachings of Jesus and
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I and and when you were going to do a software product.
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So I started I'm a software guy but I wasn't Current with
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database Technologies and then just like everything else in
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life. You know, I got passed from one
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person to another, and then one of them mentioned there's
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something called a graph database, which is basically
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circles connected with lines. And when I heard that, I knew
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inside, this is what I was looking for.
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So I started researching, the next thing that happened is I
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did a graph description of How to organize the information from
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part, four of the Rancho book. And I went through a couple of
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iterations of that and then immediately, I started building
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tools. So we could actually do this
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work and we build the data curation team back in.
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Basically, a year from a year ago.
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So I gave them all these tools and I built this process where
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we started collecting. But then I we kept talking Gary
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and And I as we were doing still and then the idea came.
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Okay, let's do, let's start to design some kind of a product, a
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software product, a prototype. So we spend the next three
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months doing that and then I hired some programmers and we
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get this database that we were working on.
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So, but that time by January, we basically went through the
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entire installed story of Jesus which is 350 pages.
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And we got hundreds of data points from that, and then we
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built a software prototype back in January.
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And Lisa was in the background, she saw everything to Gary and I
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were doing and sometime around February.
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She said, maybe I can help you. And, and I said, yes.
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And then we started the second generation of this product,
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which she will describe it in detail.
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So There was an Insight from Jim.
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And then, there was some instructions that I received for
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lack of a better word and idea. We started building a computer
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model, then we did a prototype. And then we said, okay, now we
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know exact, we know roughly where we're going, but we, if we
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want to do this, right, we're going to start a process, that
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involves some someone like Lisa that has expertise in user
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experience. And user interface design and
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then Andre Gary and several other people came along to
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complement this team. We have another team member that
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is started to work about two weeks ago.
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His name is Fraser, is also from the Toronto area and he's going
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to be basically developing this software this team, the data
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curation team and Frasier are all the components working in
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parallel. You must have an end vision in
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mind of how you see this being used by people who walk into
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this experience, tell us what that vision is, how does a
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person after all of this is completed?
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What will be their experience? So, what we're starting with is
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an experience that will incorporate and we're riding
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textual material to present this, and then we're laying it
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out for you with additional me. A files audio files, video
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files, Comics paintings anything artistic that can embellish this
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experience. So you can think of it as the
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internet of today, using the Technologies of today.
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Something that can run on a browser on your phone on a
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tablet. You don't need special
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equipment. It's still going to be
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media-rich, it's going to give you an experience of what was
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it. Then, 2,000 years ago, that
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happened house. Things are connected and we're
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going to take the information from part.
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Four of you launch a book, which has basically the director's cut
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version of Jesus life. It's got so much information
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that fills in the details of the gospels that we're going to use
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to present it to you. So there's a research mode where
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you basically can choose and pick whatever you want to go
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deeper to and then we have more like a journey on the life of
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Jesus which is directed. And then we also I have and say
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studies. So, we take a topic, we take a
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question that interests the young people today and we break
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it into smaller chunks and we take you through different
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things that happened during the life and teach during the life
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of Jesus to expose this and expound this topic.
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So for example, gender equality could be something that interest
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a lot of people today. What was Jesus is thinking, and
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what did he actually do, when he was alive on this planet, to
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show his thinking, and his ideas about gender equality.
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So, we're going to take multiple episodes and basically build an
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experience that is just that. So, those are two segments of
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the product, there's a journey, there's research mode, where you
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can go anywhere you want, and then there's a whole social
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component where you're interacting with other people.
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Your peers other students but also mentors that will be able
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to help you go through your spiritual experience.
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We did a lot of reading and understanding what are the young
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people of today? The generations, he's and the
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Millennials looking for, and not finding sadly in institutional
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religion, and this is not criticism against christianism,
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or Judaism, or Hinduism, those religions have served Humanity
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for a long time but somehow it feels like the generations of
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today. I'm not finding answers, they're
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not being served as well as they could and it takes time for
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those religions to change. And there's there's a vacuum
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there and many things are coming into this vacuum to help these.
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People find God. So we hope that we can serve
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them in this capacity by sharing with them as much information
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and insight from the life. And Chance of Jesus in a way
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that is engaging. That is fun but also very deep
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very touching. So these are the various
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components of the product. The end it's a software product
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based on a very detailed model and we're building from part. 4
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of your entrepot quic has thousands of data points and we
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spend thousands of hours doing that you can almost think about
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it. Like part of this product is
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almost like an Fire. Wikipedia just about the life
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and teachings of Jesus with all the connections and the
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intricacies. And we're writing this material
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right now and Andres leading that team with several writers.
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Chris and Mary Jo is writing right now.
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And also Rick Warren is right here right now and we need more.
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So anybody who would like to join that team is welcome.
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I think that's a good way to put it.
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It's a Wikipedia for the, for the life of Jesus based on the
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incorporating. The fourth part of the ranch
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book. I could see there might be some
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conflict. So how do you reconcile when
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there are going to be obvious differences, that people who are
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more akin to the knowledge of the gospels, might say, well
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that's not the way it was. Have you given thought to how
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you can integrate both of or is it even necessary?
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Are you going to stay strict with the fourth part of the
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Urantia book? Let me take a stab at that.
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In the first place. Obviously, there is the whole
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Spirit of the project would be to be in harmony with all the
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teachings of the world that are out there religiously and
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spiritually. It's not that we're not going to
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find factual contradictions. But we will find ways as we work
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through these things and let's face it.
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This kind of project has never been done before.
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This this idea of trying to fully represent the life and
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teachings of Jesus has never been done to this extent before.
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We have some clothes attempts, we have beautiful movies like
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done by zeffirelli. We have and many many others.
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We also have now the chosen series beautiful series that's
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being done. That is inspiring many, many
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people. Well, all of these things are
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taking. something as a basis and filling in the gaps in what they
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regard to be a responsible way the advantage.
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We believe we have with the Rancher book is that we believe
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that this is revelation, we believe that they're, they're
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representing things as they happened.
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So when it comes in conflict, with some of these things, I
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think what we can do is we can mediate those conflicts One of
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the things that that will be a big part of both the curation
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process and of actually representing the content of the
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Rancher will be to be doing it in the context of what is known
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already or what is believed already.
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And looking at how we can bridge to what the Rancho book is
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saying. Now that's a gargantuan task.
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Because for one thing we know that there's a great deal of
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intolerance. So the first thing that we need
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to bridge is the idea of how do we get people to an attitude of
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Tolerance? How do we get them to a place
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where they can consider, you know, this could have happened
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this way, we're going to have probably great difficulties with
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say Fundamentalist. It's but after all, doesn't the
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whole world have a problem with fundamentalist attitudes
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already? Isn't that part of the problem
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we have in the world today? And so, some of what we need to
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do, we literally need to understand ourselves in this
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project as mediators in the world for trying to bring
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people. Willingly not unwillingly but
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bring them willingly to a consideration of what could have
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been now. As you know, there is one
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advantage we have. We do have the spirit of Truth
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functional the spirit of Truth is trying to illuminate not not
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fact so much but the livability and that which is significant in
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Bring people to God in whatever writings there are out there.
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So how do we learn to tune into that to become attuned?
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To that to such an extent that we're now able to move people
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past what they might be stuck on.
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I like to use the analogy of a sweater caught on a nail.
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Okay, you have you when you're Sir, gets caught a nail, you can
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keep walking, but you're going to have problems if you keep
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walking that way and we know that Christianity has certain
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problems things. They can't explain when we get
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to a place where we can explain it a little bit better.
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That's that's only a beginning and it's really not the first
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way. What we need to do is to bring
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people to a knowledge that we're on the same side.
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We're trying to bring people to a knowledge of the life and
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teachings of Jesus to the And that the world becomes a better
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place and that the world becomes more inclusive and not less.
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So now, is the world ready for that today?
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Perhaps not. Exactly.
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There are a lot of people that are belief based and believe
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that holding on to those beliefs is the only way to conserve
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morality and quote, the spirituality that they know, But
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hopefully, we can get people to a place where they understand
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that we're trying to bridge them, to a living spirituality,
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that would allow them to know. God more just in the same way
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that Pastor tried to bring us to know, God more, this project is
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really about Illuminating and bringing Jesus to life.
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Yeah, clearly clearly. That's what we're trying to do.
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We're trying to bring them to a greater knowledge of both Jesus.
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It's been teaching and that's one of the bridges because
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Christians definitely want to know more about the life and
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teachings of Jesus. But I think there is also a
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growing cohort within every religion that if they knew that
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there was more to be learned about Jesus, as a human being.
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And as someone who wasn't necessarily Christian, okay,
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someone who will have been the first place was a Jew, you know?
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And he didn't say, okay, now I'd like you all to call yourselves
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Christians. That's something that his
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followers did after the fact, no problem with that.
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But so, so often things are framed in the way that
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everything now revolves around that Christian sensibility.
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And what I think we need to do is get to the place of
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understanding, that Jesus was more Universal than that, that
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in fact. He was trying to do was yes,
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there's that sort of out their message of he was bestowed for,
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and on behalf of a whole universe.
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But even if we just make Universal the whole world,
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wasn't he trying to win the whole world.
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But understanding of God, the father, and if he was, would he
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have been putting out a message that could only be received by
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one part of humanity. Largely, the occident, Right,
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that would not have been as methodology.
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In fact, we know that the reason it's only appealing to the
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oxidant is because of how his followers interpreted it.
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Obviously, there's a lot of negotiation that needs to happen
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with the constants here and how we get this across, but that's
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all in development. And that's, that's our our aim,
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that's our goal. Our goal is to universalize this
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to bring in, to make inclusive this kind of an experience as
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opposed to excluding. And after all, there are plenty
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of people that we would like to see See this that have given up
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on Christianity entirely. We ought not to just because
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most of us are, you know, United States or America Centric.
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We ought to realize that in much of the rest of the world.
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Christianity has fallen out of favor.
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In many countries in Europe Church.
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Attendance is on the decline. It's largely people are Our
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Generation, my general speak for myself, my generation that are
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still going, but the younger you go, the fewer are actually in
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attendance. So Christianity is not speaking
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universally, it may be winning certain of those that would like
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a belief based religion that would like a more fundamentalist
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approach and R12 that kind of idea.
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And I think we need to present a more universal view.
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Oh of God, the one that Jesus intended, which was simply
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because God is our father, our loving parent, all men and women
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are brothers and sisters. How much simpler can you get?
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And it's, you know, to be sure. It's not going to be presented
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as a substitute for a personal relationship with God.
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But hopefully what it does, is it acts as a vehicle, that
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facilitates that relationship were gone.
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I mean, that would be the whole point of everything.
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It's the whole point of reading the Bible or reading the life
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and teachings of Jesus or having an experience of going to the
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Holy Land. You know, going to the places in
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Israel or whatever that experience is were serving your
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fellows. All of those things are meant to
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bring one into closer relationship with the master and
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thereby with God. There's a line in the book where
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it says the power of any idea is not in the truth but in its
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appeal to people. So from an artistic point of
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view, How Gary are you going to bring in that artistic part
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element of this project and share that with us?
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Because we love what you do. Frankly, I mean, it's just
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mind-blowing. Thank you so much.
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Jim, it's great to be here. I know it's interesting that you
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ask me that question because Yeah, the answers are Andre and
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Gabriel of already been giving add contacts to how I'm
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approaching it, you know. Yes of course I'm a visual
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artist and you know, and I do a lot of presentation materials
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and videos and and some search. But a lot of what I'm trying to
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do all of my origins of mine in Gabriel's relationship on this
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and of course, like what with andreea for a long time and I'm
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kind, of course Eliza remarried is I try to see it from that
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reality balanced perspective. So rather than just looking at
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how you embellish some, my approach to this is MM is in
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some respects. I take a little bit of a
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backseat. This problem understanding Jesus
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in a, in a world form this matter metaverse War form, which
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allows you to all allow somebody who are non biblical, or you run
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a book reader to come to the site and learn about parts of
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it. Jesus is life that they find
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interesting in a nonlinear way, in a way that suits them.
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And, and so that the, the hope with that is because it makes a
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little bit easier. I mean, I think you're already
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mentioned. It's Jim even reading the
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Urantia block or just reading part for the ranch because a
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significant undertaking, I recently restart a start of a
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term and another many, a reading of the orange book and I'm
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really pleased how much of the forward I understand.
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But brightest is Quite surprising.
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Actually I'm nodding about to myself but you know and and
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that's and on obviously that comes from 25 years of study.
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So when it comes to the artistic vision of this, I'm mainly
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taking somewhat of a backseat to the UI and ux of it and the
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functionality of what it needs to be because I want to be able
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to make sure that when people are on on these different pages
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ever. Look at a Jesus, or they're
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looking at, you know, that the time line for two Slim or
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something like that. That they, the most important
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thing is they get the values and the information in there,
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without it being over embellished, wherever what would
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that they're the embellishment is serviceable to what we're
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trying to get people to understand.
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And and yeah, I think you touched on it as well.
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You know, the there is there is there's this cause to have, you
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know, the biblical working there as well.
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And I'm, I'm from a creative perspective.
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I again, it's not about me drawing it.
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This is a kind of How I think about things, you can put the
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biblical teachings, alongside the teachings that are in Iran.
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Should look at. And you can allow those two
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things to sit beside each other. And, you can allow the
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critically thinking truth-seeking person, who who's
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appraising those two materials to make a decision on which they
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think is more compatible to how they feel, or how they know,
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what they feel about Jesus. And, and Truth has nothing to
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fear from honest inquiry and you can allow those things to to
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prove out in the mind of the individual who And what the I
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think one of the most compelling things about the method versus
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idea that the non-linearity of how you can interact with it,
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that it takes something that seems familiar Ville if you were
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to be given it as a board, but it turns it into something where
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you can skip around. Hopefully, you can move around
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it in a, in a smooth and slick, and intuitive way, and maybe
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find those little nuggets of edification and inspiration and
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Truth. With that help.
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You want to learn more at a personal level, just the the
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little go back to round my visualizations, when any of the
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presentations that laundry and I make, or any of the work that I
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do with on other projects as well, I'm always trying to make
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it possible that the that a non-reader can watch or listen
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to it. And they can find a way of on
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ramping to the more significant material on their own terms.
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There's no Absolutely, no way you can take somebody who's not
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ready for a new information on Jesus and expect them to
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suddenly take that on just because it's better information.
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What? I think about the metal versus
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purposes it'll be I think it'll allow people to be in a space
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where there's a cultivated feel at that.
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You can take it at your own pace that you can.
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You can mix your eye, you know, your own study by it won't.
29:16
We're also meeting with other people and and and those come
29:20
conversations can help ripen your understanding or they can
29:23
help you feel more energized towards greater and truths to do
29:29
with Jesus's life or altering your previous perspectives.
29:32
You know how many times have we reread that we read a passage
29:35
from Jesus in the ranch booking and you know it leaps off the
29:39
page differently just because you read it a few times and
29:41
you've had time that. So this is the same thing.
29:45
And and in some ways it's the way that the arrangement was
29:49
written, of course is like Meant to be the authoritative
29:53
elimination of error, and many other things.
29:55
But, but that doesn't, that what we're doing is that a lot of the
29:59
projects I work on are all. Secondary works there,
30:02
transmuting. Something very complicated.
30:04
You know, and some of it is extremely complicated.
30:07
Everyone on this, call note, and then you're turning into
30:10
something that can be given to a non-reader or give it to someone
30:15
who's just thinking to themselves while I wish there
30:17
was a little bit more. To know and they finish.
30:22
Secondary works are really important.
30:24
I see them was building a bridge between nowhere, where we are
30:30
and where we need to be. And I think something else, I
30:32
don't know, Gabriel mentioned this, I'm going to take away
30:34
some of his Thunder, but it's what I love about how we're
30:38
trying to position. This is, we're trying to explain
30:42
Jesus before Christianity, which rectorate were pulling in and
30:47
out of the of the Ecclesiastical mechanisms that they use him.
30:54
We're pulling it to hit to it towards him.
30:56
We're taking it away from all that.
30:57
You know what? How did Jesus is life and
31:00
teachings? Create such a wealth of faith
31:06
and belief that they ended up making Christianity around him
31:10
around that life. And now I've answered nothing
31:14
but visualization so I'm well but now I think you open some
31:17
doors to other things that And I would have eventually got to.
31:21
So are you is this the challenge that you're going to take every
31:26
story in the fourth part and and and have it all documented?
31:30
Or are you? So, for example, the the
31:33
apostles, there's a section where the Urantia book goes
31:37
through each of the Apostles and their lives and who they were,
31:40
and you know, how their parents raise them.
31:42
And so you're going to tackle that aspect, nothing.
31:45
Nothing in fourth. The fourth part will be left
31:48
out. Or are you going?
31:49
When for illustration purposes, maybe pick some key points of
31:55
Jesus life. Maybe his travels through Rome
31:58
how much detail and specificity. Do you go into and what
32:02
determines that level of specificity?
32:05
When you guys are laying out the timelines and everything that
32:08
you're needing tell this story or to rephrase the story.
32:13
I apologize for briefly on my behalf and then so that, for
32:17
instance, I the way I see is a prioritization so where there's
32:21
a thickness of information that we need to focus more on that
32:26
first Gabriel's already explained for want of a better
32:30
phrase where bootstrapping to on this production you know with
32:34
this isn't a production that's been given 50 million dollars
32:37
and only have like a large production team, what will
32:39
happen to be quite careful about how much time we use and how we
32:42
use that. Time so.
32:43
Well, as part of that, where we'll be building out the
32:46
highest priority, information first, and then, and then you
32:50
spread out a little bit, like, a tree trunk to, you know, and,
32:53
and the branches and the leaves that's and, and, and that's
32:58
Wings very much to the other work that I'm doing.
33:00
But, yeah, I'm doing other work, there's Jesus orientated as
33:02
well, and it's all compatible with this project.
33:05
So and there's a bit with is the thickness of it.
33:09
They'll be more material. And as we grow the project, In
33:13
the future that much that thickness will pass our further.
33:17
You're leaving Yourself room to expand upon things, but for in
33:22
the S and the effort of brevity, and then, as this thing grows,
33:25
you can go back and expand upon right, is that?
33:28
Yeah, I mean, it's logical to go about it that way as well
33:30
because, you know, the we only have so much capacity and, and
33:33
if you really got so much capacity, you can do a much
33:36
better job if you focus on smaller parts, consecrate to do
33:40
a good job there. Then you can if you try to The
33:42
to, too much, too soon and what you're doing.
33:45
When you do that, you know, I come from games development.
33:48
So as a phrase that with using games development called a
33:50
vertical slice, for instance, which would mean there's what
33:53
we're going to be doing is taking his prioritizing certain
33:55
parts. Whether it be writing editing
33:58
and what we're doing is the early, the more, the more the
34:00
highest priority parts of the, of the app will will be
34:04
demonstrative of what needs to be done for the rest of it.
34:07
That's basically how it goes on. All that gave an answer the rest
34:09
because I know he has a lot more in know what Gary said is right
34:12
on. And we're taking this in my,
34:16
what I have in my mind is like a wedding cake with layers.
34:20
So we have a base and then layer, 2 and layer 3, layer 4,
34:24
and We actually sat down and prioritized every person
34:31
location event, timeline relationship.
34:37
All those no types in this computer model and one of the
34:42
team members was tasked with saying, OK, from 1 to 5 with
34:47
stars, you know, is this a must can we release this product
34:51
without this, without this person or this relationship and
34:55
then, you know, you Hard decisions but we cannot do
34:57
everything at the same time. So we gave five stars four
35:00
stars, three stars, two stars, one star and we're starting with
35:04
five stars so as soon as we finish the five star material
35:07
will go to four stars but it's but we've built like like Gary
35:11
said we've built the infrastructure for a for a
35:15
beautiful wedding cake with five layers.
35:18
Only, you get a thin slice of the cake and then in a little
35:22
bit longer, you'll get a thicker slice and a thicker slice.
35:25
I will give you the entire experience on a subset of the
35:31
material. What about the scholarly
35:33
approach? Are you are you envisioning that
35:35
this might be a helpful tool for Academia later that they can
35:40
cross reference? And this is going to connect the
35:43
dots. A lot of dots for a lot of
35:45
people that are going to say, I didn't know that it's going to
35:49
take a long time to do this. But when I was recording, that
35:54
initial recording that I mentioned, And this comes from
35:57
what Jim English said is over time, this, especially the
36:02
computer model, but not the entire product.
36:05
So, I'm talking now, by the computer model, it could
36:10
represent basically Humanity's understanding of the life and
36:13
teachings of Jesus, and it can keep growing over time.
36:17
So to make this happen, I think we will do two things.
36:22
We will publish an open source version of this computer model.
36:26
Some people can use it and they can go online and I'll make some
36:29
tools but they will be able to download this model and use it
36:34
for whatever they want. They will not basically be able
36:39
to change our model, but then we will also open it up for a
36:43
process of. I don't know if it's academic
36:46
but for people other people to be able to contribute, both the
36:51
notes and the connections. So somebody has an idea of
36:54
connecting the dots. We haven't thought about it and,
36:58
you know, it's, it could, this could be Unlimited in the
37:02
connections that people find. So we will invite others to
37:06
suggest new connections and, you know, to this graph.
37:10
So in a sense we want to open it up as soon as it's ready to the
37:15
public at large and public an open source version of it.
37:18
So people can download it with instructions on how to use it.
37:22
And you know, if somebody finds an error we would like to
37:26
Corrected. If some somebody creates new
37:29
information, we will give them an opportunity to share with us.
37:32
So we can put it inside our products, but also update that
37:36
model. So we intend to share this with
37:38
you manatee, in a way that helps other people study it, and maybe
37:43
build other products that we don't think about using the same
37:46
data. So, for sure it's going to be
37:48
shared the metaverse is a software product with Lisa being
37:54
the designer of the Perience and the interface.
37:57
So how do we present all this information in a way that is
38:00
accessible, Gary's doing the artistic and visual Direction
38:06
and Andres the editorial voice? We have another person who's
38:11
doing coding so and another team that's doing the computer model.
38:15
So this is the whole picture. We're advancing on all fronts
38:20
were curating data for the model.
38:22
For one year, we've been working on the design.
38:26
Nine of the experienced. Lisa has been leading us for
38:29
over six months, we are now starting to build software.
38:33
That is going to take probably between six months and a year
38:37
until we have a working version that we can release that is that
38:42
vertical beautiful slice of cake that you can eat.
38:48
So, this is one project in the beginning.
38:51
We thought that the Cinematic version is going to be Short
38:57
stories, five to ten minutes, like one scene that you can
39:01
start to finish. And of course, it has to do with
39:04
Jesus and something that happened but not necessarily
39:07
connected to others. And then we thought we were
39:11
going to put this inside the middle verse in different areas
39:15
of the project, but we since pivoted into a more, like the
39:20
chosen model based on part, 4 of you run, two books.
39:24
So we're now Looking at a TV series or a series of films
39:30
episodio over many hours of film.
39:34
So 50 episodes, 70 episodes something very very large but
39:39
documents in drama. The entire life of Jesus.
39:44
We are we have a new member on this team that has been writing
39:51
original screenplays and she's written for already.
39:56
So we're now assemble assembling a team content.
40:00
Team. Now we'll start working on on
40:03
the entire concept and on the pilot episode which will be
40:07
probably 30 to 50 minutes of film, right?
40:12
It's drama. Yeah.
40:14
So we're working on that. But this is separate from the
40:16
middle verse call, bviously all that material will filter back
40:22
and we're using the data from the computer model and ideas.
40:26
Develop in the metaverse in the Cinematic project.
40:30
So there are obviously connected and we have the same management
40:34
team for all of the projects. So, all the information is being
40:38
shared. One thing, we have not heard
40:40
from Lisa, was plays a big role in all this, maybe we could
40:44
bring her in Lisa. Tell me what brought you into
40:47
this project and and what your contribution is and what you re
40:51
what, what really makes you excited about this project.
40:57
Hi. Thanks for having me, sorry,
40:59
I've been kind of quiet. I just kind of listening in
41:01
everybody. Talking introducing the project.
41:05
I hate him in here when Gabriel and Gary was working on their
41:10
first proof of concept prototype.
41:13
And that was basically like a little app where you can, it
41:17
kind of displays like what they had, like the no types and then
41:21
all this webs of information tongue, how the users can see.
41:25
And then I'll go. I mean, This could be way
41:28
better. And I just jumped in and like,
41:31
okay, I think you guys will probably need help like getting
41:37
some more insights from the users point of view because now,
41:40
like we have this thing where it's like, we know what we're
41:43
making and we know everything about Jesus, but how the users
41:47
are going to perceive this is going to be, you know, different
41:49
from what we know. So, I just came in and started
41:53
doing research for, you know what, this generation
41:57
generation, Jaden gen Z and Millennials, and how they feel
42:01
about religion and we kind of started from Like what do they
42:04
need? Like how do they perceive
42:06
religion? And like, do they know, do they
42:09
want to know? And we got some answers were
42:12
like, oh, I think this giant origination, they are interested
42:16
in religion. But they like spirituality
42:18
spirituality, mostly not religion.
42:21
Like they are more into their personal growth and how they
42:25
have relationship with like the /, but not so much about the
42:30
incident institutionalized religion because So I think they
42:33
feel judged by them, and if you're uncomfortable with that,
42:37
it's kind of like a top-10 top-down system, and a lot of
42:40
bad press about the, you know, Christianity and all that going
42:44
around. So they were they were they
42:48
needed this, they wanted to know more about it and they do have,
42:52
you know, they want to Foster their personal face so but they
42:55
had no like other way of learning this.
42:58
So, this is kind of like our mission is to help create Ate
43:03
something that will help the younger generation to get into
43:08
this easier. So it's more like like Andre
43:11
says, it's like it should be accessible and inclusive for the
43:14
younger generation like they shouldn't be feeling judged or,
43:19
you know, scary. So this is kind of like what we
43:23
are. This is our focus when we are
43:25
building. This product is, they know,
43:28
we're making this for the younger generation.
43:30
We're making this for every single person or who are Rested
43:33
in Jesus and we be planted in Jesus that that would be a
43:39
question. I would ask according to the
43:41
data that you've got our people that even interested I don't get
43:45
the feeling they are but I could be wrong.
43:47
I Think Jesus not necessarily Jesus you know only but this is
43:55
the platform that we are kind of like presenting to them because
43:58
we know that learning about Jesus life and teaching is
44:02
greatly helpful for People you know, it helps them kind of
44:06
sensor himself and learn from what he's done, then they can
44:11
apply that knowledge to their daily life.
44:14
Like oh Jesus was nice to his parents or something like that.
44:19
I'm just gonna I'm just gonna. Yeah, but these like the way
44:26
Jesus lived his life well kind of help and give inspiration to
44:30
the younger generation and that's kind of Our Hope.
44:33
And we have time because he was a rebel.
44:35
I mean, he was a rebel and his day.
44:37
Hi, right. So that's a connection point
44:40
right there. Yeah, he was empowered and he
44:43
saw even more important to say that he was a hero.
44:47
And and what we're all, we can do now is paint his arrows Ark.
44:54
How everything in his development from young, babe, to
45:00
young child to young adult. We have now.
45:03
This information and young people, crave Heroes know, we
45:08
watch Star Trek and Star Wars and Superman, and the Marvel
45:11
Universe. Why do we like those stories?
45:14
Because each one of us undergo this Hero Journey on a personal
45:19
level. And, you know, there were many
45:21
spiritual prominent spiritual teachers on the planet, but we
45:26
don't have enough information. I think to show to this level of
45:32
detail. Life.
45:33
The personal life of any of them.
45:36
We don't know enough about Abraham and Moses and the Buddha
45:40
and, and Muhammad. I just read the other day that
45:44
there's more information about Jesus in the Quran than about
45:47
Muhammad. So now, we have a chance to go
45:52
deeper and in greater resolution into the life of a master, a
45:57
spiritual teacher. And if we manage in the minds of
46:02
our audience to disconnect the, the umbilical cord between
46:08
Christianity and Jesus and say, hey, no, Christianity is cool.
46:13
If you like that, great, we like that too.
46:16
But Jesus was before Christianity, would you like to
46:19
know what he was up to and what was his life?
46:23
Like and what was the teaching that eventually made more than 2
46:29
billion people on this planet? Follow him?
46:33
Isn't that a story? I was born Jewish and I knew
46:36
nothing about Jesus. Now, I'm going around Israel and
46:39
I'm telling people, I'm going to build a museum about Jesus and
46:42
I'm mostly talking to Jewish people in every time.
46:45
I say those words, the Jesus Museum, the eyebrows go up.
46:49
Oh my God. All right.
46:50
That's interesting. I want to go with any.
46:53
If I speak 30 more seconds, they say.
46:55
When is it going to open? I want to go.
46:58
So, Jesus is still attracting people.
47:02
All around the world. And there's there's at least six
47:06
billion people on this planet. Who will not Christian that I
47:12
think will be interested in learning more about this
47:15
spiritual teacher and how we live this life that our audience
47:20
is everybody on this planet, right?
47:23
We cannot do this by our own Force.
47:25
It's this is not just because it's too complicated.
47:30
But because that's not the proper way to do something
47:33
about. Like, this, it has to be an
47:36
immense teamwork project. And with this is what we're
47:40
doing with building teams of teams and doing it in a way that
47:43
is, is the even the journeys is enjoyable, you know, it's not
47:48
work. What keeps me going?
47:50
Every morning is this, you know, it's the people that I work with
47:54
and knowing that for generations to come, we will leave behind
47:59
us, we you Rancher. Readers who have been given this
48:03
or adopted this Revelation and and have studied it for a long
48:07
time. Now, have the opportunity to
48:10
create a superb Legacy project that will serve generations to
48:14
come. I think that's what keeps me
48:18
going. How can people find out more
48:20
about this Gabriel? So we have a website called
48:23
Jesus. Metaverse dot o--, r-- g--,
48:26
Jesus metaverse dot o--. R-- g--, you'll find more
48:30
Information about us the projects.
48:32
There's a Blog with monthly status updates.
48:35
We publish a monthly newsletter, you'll find Opportunities to
48:40
volunteer with us, and see the positions that are open.
48:44
So if you draw, if you sign up to our newsletter, we will send
48:47
you the information. Our team will convene every
48:50
month and we'll have an open room basically, where you can
48:55
come and meet us and ask questions.
48:57
And now we're going to come back also and talk with someone Other
49:00
people that are part of your team and we'll do that in the
49:03
next episode and we'll be able to discuss some other aspects of
49:08
this. This wonderful project.
49:10
Any particular skill sets, you might be looking for people who
49:14
might want to get involved. Well, we're definitely looking
49:16
for more writers we're looking for people, you know, one of the
49:21
things that you are, you are asking before was, what is, you
49:28
know, what are people doing? How are they filling in?
49:32
Some of some of the content of, you know, the Rancher papers on
49:38
on the life and teachings of Jesus and Gabriel, you know, and
49:45
Lisa, both describe the whole node aspect of how the data is
49:51
related. How we're looking at people
49:53
places events and the relationships among all those
49:57
things in between them. Well, the That brings it to life
50:02
is the imagination of students, of the ranch book, who
50:06
understand these things, who have internalized, these
50:08
Concepts, who have made these Concepts living in themselves,
50:13
and who have visualized them frankly in themselves.
50:17
And when they do this, they have they have a construct inside of
50:21
them, that if they have the writing ability, they can get
50:25
out. So if you have that kind of
50:27
talent, we need that kind of talent.
50:30
In order to be able to creatively and imaginatively
50:35
allow, you know, bring basically bring to life.
50:39
What are these? Seemingly static nodes, but
50:46
they're not, they're living there.
50:48
Living nodes relating the events, the people, the places
50:53
that all surround the life and teachings of Jesus.
50:56
But wait, there's more to come in our next podcast.
50:59
Gabriel will introduce us to a team of people who are
51:02
stitching, the Jesus metaverse together Page by Page.
51:06
And what this project has meant for them.
51:08
Thanks again to my guest. Gabriel remember Gary.
51:11
Ang Lisa, Tao and Andre Reed Otis.
51:15
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51:18
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51:22
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