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Gilmore Girls Gazette: Parenthood: Uncomfortable Heartbreak (Season 2 E9 “Put Yourself Out There") · I Am All In with Scott Patterson

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  Speaker 1: I am all in again.
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  Speaker 2: Oh it's you, Gilmore Girls Gazette with Amy Sugarman and
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  Speaker 2: Danielle Romo, an iHeartRadio podcast.
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  Speaker 1: It's time for a parenthood recap with an unfamiliar voice,
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  Speaker 1: but I'm very happy to be here. Welcome to the
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  Speaker 1: Gilmore Girls Gazette Parenthood edition for this week.
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  Speaker 3: It's pretty good good. Marco's fairly professional, Thank you very much.
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  Speaker 1: And you know what I love about your shugs, and
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  Speaker 1: there's so much. But your hair is always a work
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  Speaker 1: in progress.
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  Speaker 3: I know nobody.
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  Speaker 4: They don't usually show the video, so I have a
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  Speaker 4: meeting after this, so I'm curling flat ironing my hair
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  Speaker 4: while we talk, which is like totally easy to do.
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  Speaker 1: Totally. I've known you for almost sixteen years, and I
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  Speaker 1: feel like you've been working on your hair. No longer
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  Speaker 1: it does. You're always working on your hair. It's just
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  Speaker 1: something we expect of you.
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  Speaker 4: It's also like a calming so like the flat ironing
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  Speaker 4: is sort of like I don't know, like I don't
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  Speaker 4: want to say massage because it's not quite as good
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  Speaker 4: as that, but it's like a calming thing so that
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  Speaker 4: I can be even more focused on parenthood.
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  Speaker 1: But it makes me realize that I've never been a
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  Speaker 1: person that the hair has been done for, Like I
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  Speaker 1: feel like I'm down a few tears.
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  Speaker 3: You've never.
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  Speaker 1: In the process. Oh, correct that the hair is never
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  Speaker 1: done for something I'm involved with.
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  Speaker 4: Right, Sorry, but that's like just you should feel good
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  Speaker 4: about that, Okay, I guess so you just get like.
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  Speaker 3: The easy breezy. I'm not totally like ready to rock
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  Speaker 3: the world, but like, so, Mark, how do you feel
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  Speaker 3: about filling Danielle's shoes for the next like three four months?
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  Speaker 1: Well, they're big shoes to fill and I mean that literally.
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  Speaker 3: And people really like her also more than they like me,
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  Speaker 3: but they.
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  Speaker 1: May like you, well, I hope they do. And also
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  Speaker 1: the joke I was making there is that Danielle's husband
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  Speaker 1: feet she has size and nine something like that. Yeah,
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  Speaker 1: he calls her schemes, or at least they used to. Anyway.
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  Speaker 1: It's it's an honor. It's it's tough because I love
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  Speaker 1: Danielle on this show. She's very funny, she has a
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  Speaker 1: great laugh, She's very enjoyable to listen to it, and
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  Speaker 1: I like the interplay.
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  Speaker 3: She watches it with an interesting perspective.
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  Speaker 1: We don't always agree, but she definitely does. And I
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  Speaker 1: love Parenthood. My wife and I would watch a show
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  Speaker 1: before bed every night, and we've gotten less consistent about
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  Speaker 1: that since the kids turned into teenagers, but hopefully that'll
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  Speaker 1: be back again. But yeah, if you asked me or
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  Speaker 1: my wife our favorite shows of all time, Parenthood would
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  Speaker 1: be right at the top of the list.
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  Speaker 3: Oh, I love that.
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  Speaker 4: Did you watch it in its first like when it
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  Speaker 4: was on NBC?
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  Speaker 1: Yes?
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  Speaker 3: Or did you okay? And then have you rewatched it ever?
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  Speaker 1: No?
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  Speaker 2: No?
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  Speaker 1: And that's what was so fun watch on this one.
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  Speaker 1: But we had to live through every off season is
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  Speaker 1: it coming back? Because it was never a hit, like
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  Speaker 1: are they going to bring it back? And then they
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  Speaker 1: would for like a mini season and then there was
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  Speaker 1: writer's strike and it was always complicated. But we loved it,
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  Speaker 1: and we loved it so much that the finale. We
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  Speaker 1: waited about six months to watch the finale after it
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  Speaker 1: did because we did not want to say goodbye to
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  Speaker 1: the Braverman's mark.
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  Speaker 4: Do not reveal the finale, But do you remember when
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  Speaker 4: I came in and told you about the finale?
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  Speaker 1: I came in.
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  Speaker 4: I think you were there, Remember I came into Seacrest. Okay,
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  Speaker 4: it's like in a video that went viral. I think
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  Speaker 4: you were there, and well, when was the finale? Were
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  Speaker 4: you When was were you there?
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  Speaker 1: Oh that's a good question. Maybe I wasn't.
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  Speaker 4: I mean, it's pretty unforgettable because I was so shook
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  Speaker 4: up after the finale.
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  Speaker 3: We won't ruin it.
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  Speaker 1: I was there, Yeah, twenty fifteen, So I was there.
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  Speaker 3: Yeah, you should look up my video.
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  Speaker 4: Okay, all right, because Ryan immediately like pulled out his phone.
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  Speaker 4: I was so upset after the finale. I did not
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  Speaker 4: know how to function. But we won't talk about that now, Okay,
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  Speaker 4: all right, fair because.
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  Speaker 3: That's just too spoilery. All right, Like, let's start talking
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  Speaker 3: about this episode. Where to begin? I kind of wanted
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  Speaker 3: to begin with Zeke and Camille, but like.
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  Speaker 1: Yeah, sure, you know. I mean, general observation is just
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  Speaker 1: the genius of this show and for a night Light.
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  Speaker 1: So I give credit to Jason Caadams, although I don't
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  Speaker 1: know if he deserves that or not. The acting is
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  Speaker 1: so natural, it's so it feels like improv even though
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  Speaker 1: it's clearly not.
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  Speaker 4: I know, I think it, I know, And it's kind
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  Speaker 4: of the way he shoots to there's sort of a
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  Speaker 4: unique way in the way he like, you feel like
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  Speaker 4: it's a how do I say this, it's not a documentary,
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  Speaker 4: but you feel like it's not.
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  Speaker 3: It's you're kind of like in it with them.
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  Speaker 1: Yeah, and the way they always right there. I've never
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  Speaker 1: seen another show kind of recreate the way people naturally
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  Speaker 1: talk over each other, the way they totally.
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  Speaker 4: Oh my gosh, it's so funny bring that up, because
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  Speaker 4: we did talk about that in the scene. There's a
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  Speaker 4: scene with Christina and Adam and the kids and they're
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  Speaker 4: sort of talking, and they are talking over each other,
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  Speaker 4: but you fully understand.
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  Speaker 3: It's like, so well done because normally that does not work.
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  Speaker 3: Let me tell you where that does not work in podcasts.
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  Speaker 1: Yeah, I know. I found that's true always.
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  Speaker 4: Like, oh, these people aren't talking all at the same time,
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  Speaker 4: and you can't understand one thing they're saying. Okay, So
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  Speaker 4: this episode with Zeke and Camille was kind of heartbreaking
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  Speaker 4: and Cringey not gonna lie Zeke going to see the
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  Speaker 4: art teacher, although there's something about it that's sort of.
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  Speaker 3: Not the worst, but so Cringey I was just like,
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  Speaker 3: I'm uncomfortable.
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  Speaker 1: Yeah, that was very uncomfortable. The whole thing is a
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  Speaker 1: reminder that no matter how long you're married, you can
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  Speaker 1: never get complacent. You're never done. There's no finish line,
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  Speaker 1: like you always have to be put in the effort
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  Speaker 1: and not and not just ignoring each other.
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  Speaker 4: Well, and also the hypocrisy is live and well because
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  Speaker 4: he cheated and then she they were apart when she
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  Speaker 4: you know, with the art teacher. But yet he's so
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  Speaker 4: upset about it, rightfully. So also shows like emotions don't
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  Speaker 4: make sense and we feel what we feel.
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  Speaker 3: But it's a bit.
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  Speaker 1: Really Zeke, really his is the bigger crime.
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  Speaker 3: Correct, And he's so.
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  Speaker 4: Upset and then trying to be a bit controlling and
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  Speaker 4: then going and embarrassing her with the our teacher.
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  Speaker 3: It's so cringey.
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  Speaker 4: It's like, oh, Zeke, and then he got so angry
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  Speaker 4: and we're seeing that anger come out that Adam was
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  Speaker 4: talking about.
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  Speaker 3: So it just shows a bit of their characters.
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  Speaker 1: Them in therapy I thought was really really interesting because
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  Speaker 1: he does not want to be there, and yet it
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  Speaker 1: is still it does still seem to kind of get
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  Speaker 1: through from time to time.
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  Speaker 4: Correct, how did we and did we resolve anything with them?
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  Speaker 4: Or were we left sort of with it being kind
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  Speaker 4: of messy with them.
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  Speaker 1: They had that scene in the garage at the end,
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  Speaker 1: but it was still miss messy for sure.
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  Speaker 4: That was when he was so mad and she kind
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  Speaker 4: of called him out, like it's just kind of like
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  Speaker 4: no resolution.
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  Speaker 3: And that's another thing I really like about the show
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  Speaker 3: as opposed to like, I don't know, let's say nine
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  Speaker 3: to two and zero. It's not tied up in every episode.
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  Speaker 4: It's still like, Okay, we're going to figure out what's
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  Speaker 4: going to happen. There no resolution, all right, who do
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  Speaker 4: you want to talk about next?
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  Speaker 1: We can talk about Adam had a great quote with Amber,
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  Speaker 1: so we can talk about the Amber things.
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  Speaker 3: Yeah, okay, so I think it was for cal My school.
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  Speaker 1: Yeah that woman.
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  Speaker 4: Now was a little weird because like, who is that
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  Speaker 4: woman to suddenly have juice to get her into college?
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  Speaker 4: But like whatever, fine, who cares?
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  Speaker 1: So the quote I loved was and I wrote it down,
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  Speaker 1: good life will knock you down more than you can
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  Speaker 1: possibly imagine. Don't knock yourself down.
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  Speaker 3: Yeah, and that kind of and I was like, well, I.
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  Speaker 1: Got two daughters, I got to remember that one. That's
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  Speaker 1: a good one.
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  Speaker 3: Yeah.
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  Speaker 4: That kind of worked on her, so she sort of
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  Speaker 4: I thought it was the thing I also like is
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  Speaker 4: he kind of comes in, she sort of knows it's coming,
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  Speaker 4: and then she sort of gets emotional, like I mess
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  Speaker 4: things up. I don't want to do this, and then
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  Speaker 4: he delivers that line and then we have the nice
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  Speaker 4: payoff where she really thanks Sarah aka Laura Lai aka
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  Speaker 4: Lauren Graham for doing They have that scene I think
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  Speaker 4: on a bench, Yeah.
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  Speaker 1: I think so. Yeah, and that's but that's such a
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  Speaker 1: teenager thing to not. I don't want to do that.
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  Speaker 1: I don't want to put myself out there. I don't
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  Speaker 1: want to. I don't want to leave my room if
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  Speaker 1: I don't have to.
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  Speaker 4: Well, and she has the awkward conversation with the woman
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  Speaker 4: and then it kind of got good.
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  Speaker 3: It did start off sort of uncomfortable, stones.
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  Speaker 4: We're gonna work that in and again, Billy Baldwin is
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  Speaker 4: still real cute right now, real cute, Like I like
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  Speaker 4: the character.
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  Speaker 3: I like the whole thing. He's like really cute. And
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  Speaker 3: doesn't he ask Laura to have dinner something that night?
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  Speaker 3: I think they're like going to go have.
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  Speaker 1: Dinner, yeah, I think so. Yeah, maybe she's.
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  Speaker 4: Coming home from the dinner and I.
• 8:53
  Speaker 1: Don't remember him being in the show, like I was watching, Oh,
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  Speaker 1: look at that. I don't remember that. I don't remember
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  Speaker 1: watching Billie Baldwin in the show. I don't remember Michael B.
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  Speaker 1: Jordan being in.
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  Speaker 3: The show, Okay, because you didn't, because he wasn't Michael B.
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  Speaker 4: Jordan, because he was just the random dude from Friday
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  Speaker 4: Night Lights at that point, Like he came on later seasons.
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  Speaker 1: Oh yeah, that's right, Friday Night Lights. He was like
• 9:12
  Speaker 1: the later Like, yeah, he.
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  Speaker 3: Came on later. He sort of replaced I don't know,
• 9:17
  Speaker 3: Sarah sn or something. I don't remember exactly, but I.
• 9:20
  Speaker 1: Love the lesson from members interview. I thought was, if
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  Speaker 1: you're nervous going into something like that, a job interview,
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  Speaker 1: whatever it is, if you would make your nervous, it
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  Speaker 1: sucks the air out of the room and it's not
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  Speaker 1: so weird anymore. Totally, I'm so nervous. And then you
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  Speaker 1: have a laugh about it, and now I remember I
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  Speaker 1: was nervous. Oh, I don't be nervous everything, and then
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  Speaker 1: everything's okay. It's good to just admit it.
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  Speaker 3: First of all, here's my words of wisdom. I tell
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  Speaker 3: everyone that we work with, just tell the truth. Just
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  Speaker 3: you cannot go wrong. If you just tell the truth.
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  Speaker 3: And that's kind of what you're saying. It's like, just
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  Speaker 3: tell the person, like, I'm nervous. I didn't know if
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  Speaker 3: this was you know, if I should do this. I
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  Speaker 3: don't even know. Uh, and then you're like, Okay, now
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  Speaker 3: we're going to just chat. So I'm still liking Billy
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  Speaker 3: Baldwin in this.
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  Speaker 4: Uh, what are you thinking of Michael B Jordan And
• 10:05
  Speaker 4: I always forget their name?
• 10:06
  Speaker 3: Sarah Roast.
• 10:07
  Speaker 1: Yeah, by the way, she's had an interesting career, hasn't she.
• 10:09
  Speaker 3: Well, do you watch Chicago Med?
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  Speaker 1: No, but I watched The Bear.
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  Speaker 3: Oh I didn't watch the Bear. She's in the Bear.
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  Speaker 1: She's in the Bear, and she's got she's really.
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  Speaker 4: Really good on Chicago Med. And she's on the spectrum,
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  Speaker 4: which is like kind of oh interesting.
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  Speaker 3: Yeah, they don't.
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  Speaker 4: I mean, I don't know if that's so. Like I
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  Speaker 4: think we're supposed to know that. I think we're supposed
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  Speaker 4: to kind of understand that. Okay, they don't like totally
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  Speaker 4: spell it out, but I'm pretty sure she's.
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  Speaker 1: Quite an actress. But yeah, no, I liked it. Birds
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  Speaker 1: of It. I love when she called him and she
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  Speaker 1: said hi, and he said hey, Hattie and he was like, oh,
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  Speaker 1: you recognize my voice? Like that was such a sweet,
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  Speaker 1: real moment.
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  Speaker 4: And then somehow doesn't he call her and say yes?
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  Speaker 4: And then yeah, it's like obviously he likes it. And
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  Speaker 4: then didn't they start playing scrabble? Yeah, it was the
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  Speaker 4: best part. This is the best part when because.
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  Speaker 1: They had words that didn't work. Yeah. Yeah.
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  Speaker 3: And then she tells her grandma, is that in this episode?
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  Speaker 3: Or am I blurring two.
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  Speaker 1: Up the side? I think that this episode? Yeah, that
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  Speaker 1: was the final scene I.
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  Speaker 4: Think, And that actually made me cry and the grandma cried.
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  Speaker 4: She tells the grandma I like him and like thanks
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  Speaker 4: for bringing me here, and she's so the grandma is
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  Speaker 4: just thrilled.
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  Speaker 3: And I think the grandma's just overly thrilled for two reasons.
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  Speaker 3: One is that like her granddaughter likes someone. Two is
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  Speaker 3: that it's.
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  Speaker 4: Because of her, And three that the granddaughter told her.
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  Speaker 4: I mean, I think as a grandma that that grandma's
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  Speaker 4: just living her best life right there, even after her Like.
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  Speaker 1: There's something about the safety of Grandma because Grandma is
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  Speaker 1: not going to be as weirried about it as mom is.
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  Speaker 4: Yeah, and also, like the grandma, she's so stoked. Babie
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  Speaker 4: Vadelia is like, doesn't get enough credit for how.
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  Speaker 3: Good she is in this show.
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  Speaker 4: She's fantastic, really good, and she's so like there's something
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  Speaker 4: about the way she looks, like so pretty but a
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  Speaker 4: little messy, Like I.
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  Speaker 3: Don't know how to explain that. Yeah, Oh, they're so Berkeley.
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  Speaker 4: I love it.
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  Speaker 1: I love it.
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  Speaker 4: The house is so Berkeley. That part they get right.
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  Speaker 4: They definitely get it wrong when they keep saying across.
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  Speaker 3: The Bay, like what no one says that, But otherwise
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  Speaker 3: they are pretty good with the Berkeley sort of like
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  Speaker 3: hippie toppy woo woe.
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  Speaker 5: Yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, Okay, let's talk about Christina, because
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  Speaker 5: this was another sort of like, oh, this was.
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  Speaker 4: Heartbreaking, really rough, and you feel for and you feel
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  Speaker 4: for the other mom and the whole thing, and I
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  Speaker 4: just I don't know, as a parent, what would you do.
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  Speaker 3: It's a bit of an overstep.
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  Speaker 1: Oh, it's a full overstep, yes, And we've had that before.
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  Speaker 1: My kids aren't in the same situation the Max is in,
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  Speaker 1: but we've had that where there's a party going on
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  Speaker 1: and a kid isn't invited, or even just a sleepover
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  Speaker 1: and the kids not invited and it's heartbreaking for them
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  Speaker 1: and it's the end of the world for them, and so.
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  Speaker 3: It's a part of life.
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  Speaker 1: It is part of life. But you want to fix
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  Speaker 1: it because you just want them to be happy. But yes,
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  Speaker 1: fixing it. Yeah.
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  Speaker 4: Thing is she cared way more than Max. I don't
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  Speaker 4: know that Max really even cared or.
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  Speaker 1: Does he and he's just not letting himself care.
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  Speaker 3: Who knows. But she was so upset.
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  Speaker 1: Yeah, and then happy ending right, she finally got the
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  Speaker 1: then again the cringe when they cringe when confronted her.
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  Speaker 4: I'm glad she failed the first time because it would
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  Speaker 4: have been to like Hollywood Magic TV if like it
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  Speaker 4: worked the first time.
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  Speaker 3: The fact that she then went back again was so cringey.
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  Speaker 1: And you see her stiffened up the second time, like, okay,
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  Speaker 1: that feels real.
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  Speaker 4: But I liked when she she said, have you not
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  Speaker 4: done anything so like, you know, off the rails for
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  Speaker 4: your kid, and the other mom's like, okay, I have
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  Speaker 4: And then they were having a great old sushi time
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  Speaker 4: drinking wine.
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  Speaker 1: Yeah, and when she dropped the mother of an aspy kid,
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  Speaker 1: that was, Yeah, that felt real.
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  Speaker 3: Although no one calls it that anymore. There's some antiquated Yeah,
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  Speaker 3: there's some real antiquated sort of sayings.
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  Speaker 1: Interesting.
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  Speaker 3: Yeah, from what I know, from what I've researched and know,
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  Speaker 3: they don't they don't say it like that anymore.
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  Speaker 1: But that's okay.
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  Speaker 3: I'm not an expert. Somebody could tell us. But yeah,
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  Speaker 3: and Minka Kelly is real good.
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  Speaker 1: She was in for five seconds.
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  Speaker 3: Yeah, but she's always good playing this part because you know,
• 14:29
  Speaker 3: we know that there's more coming with Manca Kelly.
• 14:31
  Speaker 1: Sure. Yeah. And then there's another frind night Light's connection
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  Speaker 1: too with Mika Kelly.
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  Speaker 3: Oh yeah, yeah, yeah for sure.
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  Speaker 1: Yeah. Sure.
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  Speaker 4: So let's talk about Joel and Crosby. This is a
• 14:46
  Speaker 4: storyline I could have almost done without.
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  Speaker 1: Yeah, I agree.
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  Speaker 4: I'm like, okay, like Joel's getting way too irritated and storming.
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  Speaker 1: Off, Yeah, and Crosby just making a lot of noise.
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  Speaker 1: Like it's one thing if Crosby stepped in and actually
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  Speaker 1: started to make it good, but he's not either.
• 15:07
  Speaker 4: In kindergarten, Yeah, I love the kid, Jabbar's friend with
• 15:10
  Speaker 4: the glasses.
• 15:11
  Speaker 1: Yeah, and it's kind.
• 15:14
  Speaker 4: Of smart storytelling that Jabbar is now in school with
• 15:19
  Speaker 4: Joel and Julia's kid, whose name is also out of
• 15:22
  Speaker 4: my head.
• 15:23
  Speaker 1: Yeah, that's the hard part is remember all these names.
• 15:25
  Speaker 4: I know, I blurn the characters and the actors' names.
• 15:28
  Speaker 4: It's fine, people can keep up.
• 15:29
  Speaker 3: What is her name? Oh my gosh, Sydney.
• 15:32
  Speaker 1: Thanks. OK.
• 15:33
  Speaker 4: But it's nice that we have all those little kids together.
• 15:35
  Speaker 4: So that's that's always you know, fodder.
• 15:39
  Speaker 1: That's cute. Yeah, makes some fodder.
• 15:41
  Speaker 3: But yeah, that was a little over the top for
• 15:43
  Speaker 3: me with Joel, Like Joel really year old?
• 15:46
  Speaker 1: Is this was that a one off? Did that get
• 15:48
  Speaker 1: does that can did Joel versus Crosby? Does that continue on?
• 15:51
  Speaker 1: Or that?
• 15:51
  Speaker 4: I think that's kind of I think that was a
• 15:53
  Speaker 4: one off. And did we have resolution for that either?
• 15:56
  Speaker 1: No, he just stormed off and that was kind of that.
• 15:58
  Speaker 3: Yeah, And we didn't have a lot of Julia in
• 16:01
  Speaker 3: this episode, did we No?
• 16:03
  Speaker 1: And she's one of my favorite characters on the show
• 16:05
  Speaker 1: me too.
• 16:05
  Speaker 3: I really like her.
• 16:06
  Speaker 1: Yeah, she's really good.
• 16:06
  Speaker 4: Yeah, I mean I think that because when they really
• 16:09
  Speaker 4: give us more Zeke and Camille, somebody kind of one
• 16:12
  Speaker 4: of the kids kind of has to get well.
• 16:15
  Speaker 1: That was an issue with this show, right, that's such
• 16:16
  Speaker 1: an enormous cast that was becoming a very expensive show
• 16:20
  Speaker 1: for NBC to produce, and so you'd have.
• 16:22
  Speaker 3: Me with the salaries.
• 16:23
  Speaker 1: I think so, because it's I never knew.
• 16:25
  Speaker 3: That about this show. I just always knew that the
• 16:27
  Speaker 3: show always did only okay, and it was always on
• 16:31
  Speaker 3: the bubble. It was like coming back right.
• 16:34
  Speaker 1: But critics loved it and NBC loved it, but nobody
• 16:37
  Speaker 1: ever watched it. Yeah, every year. It was scary.
• 16:40
  Speaker 3: Yeah, And I think I watched it.
• 16:43
  Speaker 4: On DVDs or something like not like not far behind
• 16:47
  Speaker 4: when it aired, but I can't remember I actually watched
• 16:50
  Speaker 4: it like live on NBC or if I waited.
• 16:54
  Speaker 1: It was so great and it's not one of those
• 16:56
  Speaker 1: shows and people talk about the great shows, you know,
• 16:59
  Speaker 1: deservedly making bad and everyone mentions the Wire and stuff
• 17:02
  Speaker 1: like that. I think Parenthood should be up there because
• 17:04
  Speaker 1: it's so funny.
• 17:05
  Speaker 4: You say that I did too, and I forget about
• 17:06
  Speaker 4: it all the time. And I don't watch either of
• 17:08
  Speaker 4: those shows you said, But I say, West Wing, Sex
• 17:11
  Speaker 4: and the City, Walking Dead, Yes, Handmaid's Tale, some of these.
• 17:17
  Speaker 3: Parenthood is really really good.
• 17:20
  Speaker 4: I agree, And it's so like underappreciated kind of it.
• 17:24
  Speaker 1: It's been forgotten. I feel like I was very happy
• 17:27
  Speaker 1: to hear that you guys were going.
• 17:28
  Speaker 5: To do this.
• 17:28
  Speaker 3: Well, we did a you know, we did a poll.
• 17:30
  Speaker 4: We asked if they wanted us to watch masl or Parenthood,
• 17:33
  Speaker 4: and like it was like overwhelming Parenthood and I forgot
• 17:38
  Speaker 4: how good it is.
• 17:38
  Speaker 3: I knew how good it was. This is the thing
• 17:40
  Speaker 3: Danielle loves. This is us, this is us.
• 17:42
  Speaker 4: I had to stop because the crying was just too
• 17:45
  Speaker 4: much for me.
• 17:46
  Speaker 1: Doesn't that mean it's great? Like isn't that by definition?
• 17:49
  Speaker 4: Like I had to take ad though, like I was
• 17:51
  Speaker 4: unwell after it, whereas this has little moments a little tear,
• 17:55
  Speaker 4: but I'm not like apoplectic or I'm just like later
• 17:59
  Speaker 4: on with Christina, I think I get a little more emotional.
• 18:02
  Speaker 1: Yeah yeah, yeah, yeah, no spoilers.
• 18:13
  Speaker 3: Is apoplectic the right word? I don't know if apoplectic
• 18:16
  Speaker 3: is the right word.
• 18:17
  Speaker 1: That's a word I think I use incorrectly. That's plus
• 18:20
  Speaker 1: I think I also used nothing.
• 18:21
  Speaker 4: Gosh, let's look at both and then we'll do a
• 18:24
  Speaker 4: little menopause.
• 18:25
  Speaker 1: But one point, I was speaking of tears. I loved
• 18:28
  Speaker 1: when Amber warrens her dad, I think, don't cry if
• 18:32
  Speaker 1: you went well your mom, don't cry Sarah. Yeah, and
• 18:36
  Speaker 1: I've been on the other side of that so many
• 18:38
  Speaker 1: times when my kids say, Dad, I'm going to tell
• 18:39
  Speaker 1: you this, but I need you not to cry.
• 18:41
  Speaker 3: Definitely used apoplectic wrong. It means overcome with anger, extremely indignant,
• 18:47
  Speaker 3: where I sort of thought apoplectic meant like take to
• 18:51
  Speaker 3: the bed.
• 18:52
  Speaker 4: So I definitely did that wrong. Well, I don't even
• 18:55
  Speaker 4: remember what I was talking about. Whoa, So this is
• 18:59
  Speaker 4: how was even using it?
• 19:00
  Speaker 1: You said this is us? Would not you have to
• 19:02
  Speaker 1: add villain?
• 19:02
  Speaker 3: Oh yeah, it wouldn't make me angry.
• 19:04
  Speaker 4: I used to would completely incorrectly, it would make me
• 19:08
  Speaker 4: the bed.
• 19:09
  Speaker 1: Trying to think of the word.
• 19:10
  Speaker 4: You see what nonplussed means.
• 19:13
  Speaker 1: Nonplus I always use it like unimpressed, but I don't
• 19:16
  Speaker 1: think that's what it means.
• 19:17
  Speaker 3: Oh, not even close.
• 19:20
  Speaker 4: It means surprised and confused so much that you are
• 19:23
  Speaker 4: unsure how to react.
• 19:25
  Speaker 1: Oh okay, what did you say, like?
• 19:27
  Speaker 2: Uh?
• 19:28
  Speaker 1: Unimpressed?
• 19:29
  Speaker 3: Unimpressed? First of all, very hard to remember what you're saying.
• 19:32
  Speaker 1: We'll read it.
• 19:34
  Speaker 3: Let me tell you, doing two things at the same
• 19:36
  Speaker 3: time is not easy. I can also mean.
• 19:41
  Speaker 4: Unperturbed, not disconcerted, which is so like an oxymoron, not disconcerted.
• 19:50
  Speaker 4: Wouldn't that just be concerted, not unperturbed? Unperturbed?
• 19:56
  Speaker 3: Doesn't that? What?
• 19:57
  Speaker 2: Like?
• 19:57
  Speaker 1: That's god? Am I?
• 19:59
  Speaker 4: Okay, this is too hard for my brain. Apoplectic I've
• 20:03
  Speaker 4: really been using wrong.
• 20:04
  Speaker 1: It's a good word, though.
• 20:06
  Speaker 3: I didn't realize it was so so mad apoplectic. Yikes?
• 20:11
  Speaker 3: What is the meaning of the word apoplectic marked by anger? Wow?
• 20:16
  Speaker 1: Yeah, well, okay, so we use education a.
• 20:19
  Speaker 3: Lot of words wrong. Let's do a little menopause.
• 20:21
  Speaker 4: Let's let's talk about menopause being able to not being
• 20:24
  Speaker 4: able to do two things at the same time and
• 20:26
  Speaker 4: quickly remembering something you or sorry quickly forgetting something you
• 20:30
  Speaker 4: just told me.
• 20:31
  Speaker 3: Wait, let me see if I can remember what you thought?
• 20:34
  Speaker 3: Nonplus was unimpressed.
• 20:35
  Speaker 1: That's what I thought it was, Yes, very good.
• 20:39
  Speaker 3: You know what's gonna happen now that forever I'll think
• 20:42
  Speaker 3: nonplus means.
• 20:45
  Speaker 1: Unimpressed unimpressed, because that's.
• 20:46
  Speaker 3: What does it mean again? Do you remember uh stunned?
• 20:51
  Speaker 1: Stunned like uh so surprised that you don't surprise and confused? Right?
• 20:59
  Speaker 3: Wow, this is hard.
• 21:01
  Speaker 4: This is a lesson and short term memory than I'm
• 21:03
  Speaker 4: not strong.
• 21:04
  Speaker 1: So how long has peri menopause been going on for you?
• 21:07
  Speaker 3: Oh it, we're way past peri menopause.
• 21:10
  Speaker 1: Oh you're you're, you're You've crossed the menopause.
• 21:13
  Speaker 4: Full post full post menopause. And let me tell you,
• 21:16
  Speaker 4: I thought Perry menopause was a breeze. I didn't notice
• 21:19
  Speaker 4: one thing except for like an occasional hot flash. But
• 21:22
  Speaker 4: then the day I hit menopause, it's just been a
• 21:27
  Speaker 4: complete Oh.
• 21:29
  Speaker 1: I thought it was the opposite. I thought the worst
• 21:31
  Speaker 1: of it was the Perry. And then when you hit mena,
• 21:33
  Speaker 1: it's like you're past the point mark of difficult.
• 21:37
  Speaker 3: People are different, all people are different. And uh, yeah,
• 21:43
  Speaker 3: Perry was a breeze for me.
• 21:45
  Speaker 4: Now I'm menopause post menopause.
• 21:49
  Speaker 1: And that's been tough.
• 21:50
  Speaker 4: It's just not like I'm just like this is where
• 21:53
  Speaker 4: I'm getting some symptoms.
• 21:54
  Speaker 3: I wouldn't call it a disaster.
• 21:57
  Speaker 1: And how long does this go on?
• 22:00
  Speaker 4: Say somewhere between like I don't know a year and forever,
• 22:03
  Speaker 4: but I don't know. Some things are somewhere ah year
• 22:07
  Speaker 4: and fever. I hear like two to six years.
• 22:10
  Speaker 1: Maybe, Oh my gosh.
• 22:12
  Speaker 3: But some people, Yeah, let's see how.
• 22:14
  Speaker 1: Because Perry can go for two to six years, right, correct?
• 22:17
  Speaker 3: Oh, I had nothing there, This says menopause symptoms typically
• 22:22
  Speaker 3: last for several years. The duration is about seven years.
• 22:28
  Speaker 3: Let's do this one once.
• 22:29
  Speaker 4: In postmenopause, how long do symptoms remain?
• 22:34
  Speaker 3: And this is this?
• 22:35
  Speaker 4: This is what I do every day just googling this
• 22:37
  Speaker 4: kind of stuff. Post Menopausal symptoms can continue for years,
• 22:40
  Speaker 4: but generally become milder over time. Though a small percentage
• 22:43
  Speaker 4: women experience of year symptoms around to fifteen years, most
• 22:49
  Speaker 4: women's symptoms decrease four to seven years. Seems to be
• 22:53
  Speaker 4: kind of coming up brain fog. This symptom often improves.
• 22:58
  Speaker 4: It is not a predictor of dementia, luckily for me,
• 23:02
  Speaker 4: because at least I know you said nonplussed, and I
• 23:05
  Speaker 4: know I said apoplectic. But if I was called to
• 23:07
  Speaker 4: find those, apoplectic means anger, nonplust means confused.
• 23:12
  Speaker 1: Got it? Wow? Well, I'm sorry you're going through this.
• 23:16
  Speaker 3: What do you got anything? Is right?
• 23:18
  Speaker 1: I got nothing. My wife is at the very beginning
• 23:20
  Speaker 1: of the journey, and she's she's concerned about the hot
• 23:23
  Speaker 1: flashes because she tends to run hot to begin with,
• 23:25
  Speaker 1: so that's her scariest part.
• 23:26
  Speaker 3: So she's nervous about having hot flast.
• 23:29
  Speaker 1: Yes, she hasn't had any yet.
• 23:31
  Speaker 3: Oh well she may not.
• 23:32
  Speaker 1: Well that'd be great.
• 23:33
  Speaker 3: Yeah, and tell her this is the thing. This is
• 23:36
  Speaker 3: what you needed to tell her. Okay, worrying about it
• 23:38
  Speaker 3: is only going to make it worse.
• 23:40
  Speaker 4: So so and telling someone not to worry about something
• 23:43
  Speaker 4: is like telling someone to be left handed when they're
• 23:45
  Speaker 4: right handed. But here's what I would say is they're
• 23:49
  Speaker 4: absolutely not that bad.
• 23:51
  Speaker 3: They're absolutely fine. Get the fan going, turn the ac up,
• 23:56
  Speaker 3: have some ice water near you.
• 23:57
  Speaker 1: You got it. That's it.
• 23:58
  Speaker 3: That's the least of my.
• 24:00
  Speaker 4: If I only had the hot flashes. I always feel
• 24:04
  Speaker 4: kind of like this, whoa, actually no, no, never dizzy.
• 24:11
  Speaker 3: Internally, it just feels like I'm not fully solid. I'm
• 24:18
  Speaker 3: never relaxed.
• 24:19
  Speaker 4: It's like my shoulders are always attached to my ears
• 24:22
  Speaker 4: and then kind of like at night, findly I'm relaxed.
• 24:27
  Speaker 4: My voice is kind of raspier because I have no estrogen. Yeah,
• 24:34
  Speaker 4: I think it's only it's sort of I feel it.
• 24:36
  Speaker 1: Yeah, but it's sort of the I.
• 24:39
  Speaker 3: Feel like my blood.
• 24:39
  Speaker 4: Okay, here's what the other thing I used to be
• 24:41
  Speaker 4: able to, like wake up eat a piece of Sea's
• 24:43
  Speaker 4: candy and be good for the day.
• 24:46
  Speaker 3: Those days are gone.
• 24:47
  Speaker 4: Like my blood sugar is always whack. Do yeah, I'm
• 24:53
  Speaker 4: not hair falling out. Some people have that.
• 24:55
  Speaker 3: That seems to me.
• 24:56
  Speaker 1: Abundance of hair.
• 24:57
  Speaker 3: Yeah, thank you, I'm doing fine there.
• 24:59
  Speaker 1: You know.
• 24:59
  Speaker 3: It's like there's I guess I saw on TikTok or something.
• 25:02
  Speaker 3: There's one hundred different symptoms and I've probably got a
• 25:07
  Speaker 3: solid twenty of.
• 25:07
  Speaker 1: Them, and that's probably normal. Right, nobody can have a hundred.
• 25:11
  Speaker 3: I think the people that have a hundred are very unhappy.
• 25:14
  Speaker 1: I'm not that sure.
• 25:16
  Speaker 3: But if your wife, this is what I think.
• 25:17
  Speaker 4: I think it preys upon what you have. So if
• 25:19
  Speaker 4: you have inflammation kind of things, you're gonna have more.
• 25:23
  Speaker 4: If you have anxiety like I have, it's gonna skyrocket.
• 25:27
  Speaker 2: Right.
• 25:28
  Speaker 4: But also, like the brain fog is not horrible for me,
• 25:31
  Speaker 4: but like if what I cannot do is fully do
• 25:34
  Speaker 4: two things at the same time, so like I'm reading
• 25:38
  Speaker 4: while you're talking, and then I could not remember one
• 25:40
  Speaker 4: thing you were saying and barely could remember what I
• 25:42
  Speaker 4: was reading. But then allegedly a lot of people can't
• 25:45
  Speaker 4: do that. But then what happens for me is then
• 25:47
  Speaker 4: I'm just so anxious, like all of a sudden, just
• 25:50
  Speaker 4: oh my god, nonplused apple pluck, Oh my god.
• 25:53
  Speaker 3: Like just so anxious.
• 25:55
  Speaker 4: They need to do menopause right in a show they
• 25:57
  Speaker 4: touched on it a little bit and and just like that,
• 26:00
  Speaker 4: but like, I don't think anyone's ever really nailed it.
• 26:03
  Speaker 3: Jeni McCarthy's writing a book on it though, Well that's nice. Yeah,
• 26:06
  Speaker 3: she's pretty funny she's writing. I keep seeing her on
• 26:09
  Speaker 3: TikTok saying, book on it.
• 26:11
  Speaker 1: You need like a very funny like my wife when
• 26:13
  Speaker 1: she was pregnant, she read that book by Jimmy Ivian's
• 26:17
  Speaker 1: wife and it was called The Girlfriend's Guide to Pregnancy
• 26:20
  Speaker 1: and it was very funny and it told you exactly
• 26:22
  Speaker 1: how it is. Yeah, no sugarcoating, and it was great.
• 26:25
  Speaker 4: Jim MacCarthy's going to do that and then we'll make
• 26:27
  Speaker 4: a TV show maybe. So do you know about Danielle
• 26:29
  Speaker 4: in my podcast that's coming in twenty twenty six called Listen.
• 26:32
  Speaker 1: If you Want? If you want to, Yes, Listening you Want?
• 26:34
  Speaker 4: She was going to be to it very much about
• 26:36
  Speaker 4: television shows and menopause, like that's pretty much like if
• 26:39
  Speaker 4: you wanted the tagline for it, what are you with binging?
• 26:42
  Speaker 3: And let's talk about menopause?
• 26:43
  Speaker 1: And that's the beauty of podcast, so you can get
• 26:45
  Speaker 1: you can hyper focus on a niche group, and there
• 26:47
  Speaker 1: was an audience for that show totally.
• 26:49
  Speaker 4: I feel like the more niche or niche I don't
• 26:51
  Speaker 4: know which it is you are, the better you'll do.
• 26:55
  Speaker 1: I agree?
• 26:56
  Speaker 3: Do you didn't rate this?
• 26:57
  Speaker 4: We got a little sidetrack, guys, but it's the first time,
• 27:00
  Speaker 4: first time doing a parenthood with Mark and me, Mark
• 27:03
  Speaker 4: and me, yeah, me, yeah, uh what did we forget.
• 27:07
  Speaker 3: About this episode?
• 27:07
  Speaker 5: Now?
• 27:08
  Speaker 4: I'm gonna give this episode at nine point five because
• 27:11
  Speaker 4: I really truly enjoyed it while watching it.
• 27:14
  Speaker 3: But it's not as it's not such a standout to
• 27:18
  Speaker 3: me that I'm gonna give it a ten.
• 27:19
  Speaker 1: What do you I agree? I might go a little lower.
• 27:21
  Speaker 1: I might going nine point two. I really liked it,
• 27:24
  Speaker 1: and a good sign is that I was surprised when
• 27:27
  Speaker 1: it was over. I was like, well, that was fast.
• 27:29
  Speaker 1: That's only a sign that that was really enjoyable forty
• 27:31
  Speaker 1: four minutes or whatever. Yes, So I'm going nine point
• 27:34
  Speaker 1: two on that one.
• 27:35
  Speaker 4: Yeah, because it's not like the best best, and like,
• 27:38
  Speaker 4: there's some things that I'm not remembering and that's never
• 27:41
  Speaker 4: a good sign. Although I just, like I said, I
• 27:43
  Speaker 4: love that kid in the glasses that's friends with Jabbar.
• 27:45
  Speaker 3: He's adorable, but.
• 27:47
  Speaker 1: Just great scenes, great acting.
• 27:49
  Speaker 3: We've got some things getting set up too. We've got
• 27:51
  Speaker 3: Michael b Jordan and Hattie.
• 27:54
  Speaker 4: Yeah, that's definitely gonna continue. And we know Billy Baldwin
• 27:58
  Speaker 4: is not long for this show.
• 27:59
  Speaker 3: I think it only has a couple episodes left, so
• 28:01
  Speaker 3: that's going to have to play itself out, which I'm
• 28:03
  Speaker 3: not sure how they're going to do that. But yeah, it's.
• 28:06
  Speaker 1: All good, solid episode. Really enjoyed it and looking forward
• 28:09
  Speaker 1: to next week, which is called Happy Thanksgiving, right something
• 28:12
  Speaker 1: like that.
• 28:12
  Speaker 3: Oh well that's gonna be good. I feel like we're
• 28:14
  Speaker 3: gonna get that family together.
• 28:16
  Speaker 1: Whenever they're around that big table in the backyard. Good stuff.
• 28:19
  Speaker 3: Yeah, yep. And then how do we end this? I
• 28:22
  Speaker 3: think we say Braverman's out.
• 28:24
  Speaker 1: That's what we're saying. As do that me or you
• 28:26
  Speaker 1: who gets the honor of saying.
• 28:27
  Speaker 3: That, we'll switch it off? How about you say it
• 28:30
  Speaker 3: this time?
• 28:31
  Speaker 1: Bravemen's out.
• 29:01
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