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Trump's Enforcement Changed Everything - Josh Hammer #6369 · Financial Survival Network

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Speaker 1: Perhaps ironically or perhaps innately, it took someone like Donald
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Speaker 1: Trump that speaks some very harsh, unconventional truths to get
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Speaker 1: this historical share of the Hispanic vote. I mean, I
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Speaker 1: don't think it's an accident that you looked at and
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Speaker 1: look at the twenty twenty election for instance, there when
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Speaker 1: when Donald Trump now loses to Joe Biden. You have
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Speaker 1: these heavily Hispanic counties, many of which stay with Trump,
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Speaker 1: and twenty twenty four places like Star County taxes a
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Speaker 1: PoTA count taxes eight down there in the Rio Grande Valley.
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Speaker 1: I mean, these are like ninety plus percent is Panic
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Speaker 1: counties and they're voting for Donald Trump. And guess what
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Speaker 1: those are not the Cubans here in South Florida where
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Speaker 1: I live, No, those are Mexicans. But and I mean
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Speaker 1: even here in central Florida, I said, Orlando, there is
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Speaker 1: o'cala County, o'calla County, they formerly Blue County that has
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Speaker 1: broken red recently too. It's a very heavily Puerto Rican county. Actually,
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Speaker 1: so it's not even just the Venezuelans who are fleeing communism. No,
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Speaker 1: I mean, there's been a real genuine shift.
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Speaker 3: And welcome you are listening to and watching the Financial
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Speaker 3: I've been watching him, Josh Haimer, you on YouTube Lefty's
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Speaker 3: Losing It. It seems like for years it's been on Now.
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Speaker 3: I love watching that show in the morning. It gives
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Speaker 3: me an early morning chuckle. Rita Penangi, the host of
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Speaker 3: the show, is definitely a great sense of humor and
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Speaker 3: the great political insights. And you're a regular guest there, Josh,
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Speaker 3: And really, hey, if you can't laugh at yourself and
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Speaker 3: you can't laugh at the at the left left, what
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Speaker 3: do we have left to laugh at? You know?
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Speaker 1: Carry It's good to join you and thank you so
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Speaker 1: much for the flattering words. It's funny. I go on
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Speaker 1: a lot of shows with with some degree of regularity,
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Speaker 1: but it is Rita Panahi's Sky News Australia show that
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Speaker 1: I probably get the single most in person feedback on,
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Speaker 1: Like I have people at Sinnegaga say did I see
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Speaker 1: you on that He's losing it in Skyty's Australia, and
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Speaker 1: it's really funny. I haven't I'm gonna read a show
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Speaker 1: for years that it's actually been a bit of a
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Speaker 1: personal connection as well. One of Rita's good in person
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Speaker 1: friends in Melbourne, Australia is actually a very old friend
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Speaker 1: my wife is kind just a small world kind of
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Speaker 1: thing there. But I get trend as positive feedback from
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Speaker 1: that show and I'm most very grateful for scott News
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Speaker 1: for me, I'm very grateful for you if you have
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Speaker 1: me honest Well.
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Speaker 3: Yeah, it's interesting that you'd get your fame notoriety from
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Speaker 3: an Australian show that totally totally works in the US.
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Speaker 3: A lot of shows, you know that deal with politics
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Speaker 3: don't work outside their local environs, like you know when
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Speaker 3: you watch British political commentary, it doesn't work here in
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Speaker 3: the US. But somehow she's made it work. That's really
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Speaker 3: an accomplishment.
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Speaker 4: Yeah, I know, it absolutely is.
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Speaker 1: The woman lives halfway around the world and she has
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Speaker 1: more incisive commentary and humors to your point, incisive and
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Speaker 1: humorous commentary on our own politics than I'm probably ninety
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Speaker 1: five percent or more of America's political commentators left center
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Speaker 1: right combined.
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Speaker 4: There.
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Speaker 1: So that's a real accomplishment there and is probably why
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Speaker 1: she has tremendous views and ratings of thing.
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Speaker 3: Yeah. Yeah, it was a shocker when I first found it.
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Speaker 3: Like I said a few years ago, I think I
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Speaker 3: found it. But you know, so much of what happens
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Speaker 3: in the world on these big tech platforms gets censored,
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Speaker 3: It gets shifted to an agenda. You know, we think
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Speaker 3: we have free speech. I personally on my YouTube channel
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Speaker 3: had been censored for thirteen years, fourteen years now. You know,
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Speaker 3: humor is the one way that we the one weapon
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Speaker 3: available to you, to me that really the left and
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Speaker 3: most people don't know how to deal with ed.
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Speaker 1: Look, there are a lot of things we said about humor.
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Speaker 1: I guess I will say this. I've long been on
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Speaker 1: the opinion that is also one of Donald Trump's greatest
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Speaker 1: political gifts.
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Speaker 4: Actually, I believe.
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Speaker 1: That Donald Trump's two greatest and least transferable political gifts,
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Speaker 1: the ones that you can't necessarily just teach to a novice,
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Speaker 1: to an apprentice to a young padwan, if you will.
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Speaker 1: Those two gifts are on the one hand, he has
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Speaker 1: his inexplicable ability to make his political opponents lose their
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Speaker 1: everlasting minds and to essentially bait them into taking the
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Speaker 1: wrong end of an eighty twenty or ninety ten issue.
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Speaker 1: He does this over and over and over again, and
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Speaker 1: really he makes people just go crazy in a way
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Speaker 1: that no other politician in lifetime had done so. So
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Speaker 1: that's the first trait. The other trait is his humor.
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Speaker 1: He's a very very very funny guy. In fact, i'll
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Speaker 1: regaly with a very brief story. You know, there's actually
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Speaker 1: there's really two these two clips from the first Trump
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Speaker 1: era Trump one point zero, if he will, that my
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Speaker 1: brother and I have just probably gone I mean morey
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Speaker 1: laughs from watching YouTube bank of Posma count There's there's
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Speaker 1: this one instance. I think it's like December twenty fifteen.
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Speaker 1: It's in the primary, it's out, it's out in Iowa.
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Speaker 1: I think it was there before the caucuses. Might have
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Speaker 1: been South Carolina. I think it was in Iowa. And
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Speaker 1: then candidate Trump. I should I shouldn't be leaving this
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Speaker 1: as much as I am, but it's just so funny,
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Speaker 1: he says.
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Speaker 4: From the front, he goes, I've heard that there's.
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Speaker 1: Some people out there who have brought tomatoes into the
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Speaker 1: rally and they want to throw tomatoes at me or
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Speaker 1: people at the front, And I had this to say.
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Speaker 1: I'm gonna say, if you see someone about the whole
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Speaker 1: of tomato, knock the.
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Speaker 4: Crack out of them. We'll cover the legal bills.
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Speaker 1: And my brother that I am just we spent so
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Speaker 1: many minutes, maybe than hours, laughing at this cup on repeat.
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Speaker 1: The second one is like he's gonna that annual thanksgiving
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Speaker 1: a turkey pardon one year in like twenty eighteen, twenty nineteen,
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Speaker 1: and the two turkeys and their name peas and carrots,
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Speaker 1: and like it's just so funny. I mean, you only
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Speaker 1: pee your pantry laughing so hard there. So yeah, humor
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Speaker 1: is definitely not just not just deeply deeply valuable, as
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Speaker 1: actually was Aristotle back in the day to you know,
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Speaker 1: over two millennigo Aristol famous said that the gods too
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Speaker 1: are fond of a joke. So there's there's that, but
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Speaker 1: it's also just a deeply political beneficial skill. If you
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Speaker 1: can if you can use it as effectively as Trump
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Speaker 1: has of the use.
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Speaker 3: Well. I remember Rush Limbaugh saying that if your political
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Speaker 3: beliefs and your ideas cannot stand being ridiculed, then there's
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Speaker 3: something seriously wrong with them, because I'm paraphrasing them, because basically,
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Speaker 3: if it can't stand up to ridicule, then it can't work.
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Speaker 3: And I can recount a personal event with myself interaction
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Speaker 3: with President Trump long ago when I was an attorney.
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Speaker 3: I'm a recovering attorney myself, and this was in two
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Speaker 3: thousand and you know, he saw my name in a
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Speaker 3: publication in the Wall Street Journal, invited me and my
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Speaker 3: partner to his office to discuss some cases. At the time,
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Speaker 3: I vowed I would never wear another tie and a suit,
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Speaker 3: and I'm wearing like a blazer and a Kashmir sweater.
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Speaker 3: My partner's a military nut, he wears he's wearing battle fatigues,
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Speaker 3: desert storm boots and a ranger cap into Trump's office
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Speaker 3: and Trump's like back slouched back on the phone, and
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Speaker 3: he sees us walk in and he like looks us
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Speaker 3: up and down like four or five times. Then he
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Speaker 3: gets off the phone. He goes, are you sure you
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Speaker 3: guys are lawyers, because you don't look like any lawyers
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Speaker 3: I ever saw, and I've I said to my partner,
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Speaker 3: I said afterwards, I said, we're never going to get
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Speaker 3: rich off of Trump. He's a legal connoisseur, but we
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Speaker 3: are going to have stories for a lifetime, never thinking
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Speaker 3: that sixteen years later he was going to be going
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Speaker 3: into the Oval office. You know it was. And that
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Speaker 3: humor is something that we lose sight of, I think
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Speaker 3: in the political debate, and Trump has effectively weaponized it
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Speaker 3: and it drives the left nuts. They don't even think
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Speaker 3: he's funny, Josh. That's the depth of their vitriol and
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Speaker 3: hatred of Trump. They can't even take a joke anymore.
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Speaker 4: Well, it's partially that.
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Speaker 1: It's also partially the first of what I described to
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Speaker 1: Donald Trump's too great political skill, which is his ability
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Speaker 1: to inspect inexplicably make his political opposition lose the everlasting minds.
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Speaker 4: So it's a little bit of that too.
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Speaker 1: Ironically, Actually, it's the first of his two great traits
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Speaker 1: that is actually in this case inhibiting their recognition of
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Speaker 1: his second great trait, actually his humor. But this is
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Speaker 1: one of the many reasons why as you get closer
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Speaker 1: twenty twenty eight. I mean, yeah, frankly, look, I mean
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Speaker 1: we're probably going to have candidates announced for twenty twenty
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Speaker 1: eight within the next year. Of this point there was
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Speaker 1: it's getting pretty close. And it's one of the reasons
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Speaker 1: why it's not clear to me that there is an obvious,
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Speaker 1: clear successor to Donald Trump at this time. A lot
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Speaker 1: of folks say, JD Evans, Look, I've known JD on
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Speaker 1: a person level for many years. I was a big
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Speaker 1: booster of his run for sentence and a booster as
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Speaker 1: well of his vice presidential bid there.
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Speaker 4: And there's a lot to say for that.
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Speaker 1: This also for Mark Rubio, who has been utterly exceptional,
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Speaker 1: like really historically exceptional, frankly in his current role, his
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Speaker 1: dual role, really maybe his multi power role, but at
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Speaker 1: least his dual role as Secretary of States and as
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Speaker 1: National Security Advisor.
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Speaker 4: But you know, whether it's JD.
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Speaker 1: Evans, Mark Rubio, or really anyone else who might throw
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Speaker 1: their hat into the ring in twenty twenty eight, again,
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Speaker 1: no one has that Trumpian teamor no one. Look, I
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Speaker 1: live in Florida. I moved to Florida in twenty twenty
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Speaker 1: one for many reasons. One of which was rom the
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Speaker 1: Santas his guidance of this state during the COVID nineteen pandemic,
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Speaker 1: and generally just his policies and making Florida just really
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Speaker 1: kind of long Texas one of the nation's most iconic
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Speaker 1: liberty loving red states in general. But you know, DeSantis,
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Speaker 1: I think he probably the first committed Honestly, one of
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Speaker 1: the reasons that his own presdential bid failed is that
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Speaker 1: he just doesn't have that innates as a humor, that
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Speaker 1: inate ability just kind of immediately get the common guy
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Speaker 1: at the diner in Iowa, for instance, to kind of
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Speaker 1: like smile ear to ear. It's a very very, very
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Speaker 1: very rare thing and something that made Bill Clinton certainly
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Speaker 1: one of the youngest presidents ever elected. He had it
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Speaker 1: very much as well, not saying that he was funny,
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Speaker 1: but he was charming, He was winsome. These are very
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Speaker 1: very difficult things to teach. You kind of have it
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Speaker 1: or you don't. You can go to the old Lee
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Speaker 1: Strasbourg School of Acting in Manhattan, you can go to
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Speaker 1: the Jimmy Carvell School of how to get a political
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Speaker 1: candet in the campaign trail there, but very very few
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Speaker 1: people have these things there, and you know that you're
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Speaker 1: experiencing a very political talents when you have it, and
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Speaker 1: Donald Trump is frankly when those such towns, Yeah.
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Speaker 3: I think it's innate. I've done a little stand up myself.
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Speaker 3: How good for you. You have to be willing to bomb,
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Speaker 3: you know. And the thing about DeSantis, you know, I
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Speaker 3: like the guy, yet like every state's corrupt, so I've
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Speaker 3: already come to that conclusion so that I'm not letting
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Speaker 3: that stand in my way. But competence level is like,
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Speaker 3: I know, when there's a disaster in the state of Florida,
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Speaker 3: and there's always a disaster hurricane time, that guy is
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Speaker 3: going to be there and he's going to be getting
11:22
Speaker 3: people to fix stuff right, make the trains run on
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Speaker 3: time again. And that is a rare talent that is
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Speaker 3: so underappreciated in DeSantis, and it's just never going to
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Speaker 3: take him across the finish line.
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Speaker 4: You know, it's done wonders here in Florida.
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Speaker 1: I mean, he's been an extraordinarily impressive governor and virtually
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Speaker 1: every way that you can judge a goomatorial tenure, he's
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Speaker 1: also essentially single handlely transformed Florida from being the nation's
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Speaker 1: quintessential iconic purple state the nation that famously decide him
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Speaker 1: the two thousand presential election by barely over five hundred votes.
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Speaker 1: That the hanging chads this that there and now Florida
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Speaker 1: is a true, veritable red state bash. So he's done
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Speaker 1: incredible work, He's left incredible legacy, but clearly his run
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Speaker 1: at the national level flopped. And will he give it
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Speaker 1: another shot? The Apple I don't know. He's a very
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Speaker 1: young guy still. I mean, you know, he's basically in
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Speaker 1: his mid forties now. His children, I think are still
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Speaker 1: the under the age of ten, three of them. So
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Speaker 1: he's he's a young guy. He definitely has time there.
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Speaker 1: But some of these things you kind of just have
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Speaker 1: or you dumped and Ron for all of his tremendous gifts,
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Speaker 1: and look, there are there are. I've met Ron the
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Speaker 1: Sands person many many times I've seen I've seen him
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Speaker 1: off camera. He absolutely can be you know a little
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Speaker 1: more kind of you know, casual conversation, you know, drink
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Speaker 1: a beer, smoke a cigar, that that kind of thing there.
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Speaker 1: Maybe not quite like Trump then, but but he does
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Speaker 1: have it there. But being able to kind of take
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Speaker 1: that and to really kind of do the old kind
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Speaker 1: of Tokvillian American democracy process, going from gas station to
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Speaker 1: gas station, Iowa, shaking hands, making people feel like they're
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Speaker 1: a million bucks, right, making the everyday person feel like
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Speaker 1: he or she is a million bucks. Because politics, many
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Speaker 1: ways ultimately is a sales a sales package endeavor as well.
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Speaker 1: You're selling yourself essentially as a cand not in a
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Speaker 1: prostitution way, although Frank is some politicians do that too,
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Speaker 1: but you're selling yourself as a as an elected as
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Speaker 1: a prospective elected official, and you have to really kind
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Speaker 1: of leave a very positive, lasting impression there. So yes,
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Speaker 1: I look, we'll see if Ron gives another shot. I
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Speaker 1: suspend in twenty twenty eight. He probably won't with very
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Speaker 1: simple reason that I spect Mark Rubio probably will, and
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Speaker 1: I'm not sure that there's room for both them there. But
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Speaker 1: I've been wrong before, so I guess let's say.
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Speaker 3: Yeah, Marco Rubio to me is the shocker of the
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Speaker 3: whole Trump administration. Like I thought he was a bright guy,
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Speaker 3: thought he had a sense of humor, although he got
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Speaker 3: out Trump by Trump on the stage numerous times. And
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Speaker 3: yet the guy like he's basically the president of Venezuela
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Speaker 3: and now will soon be the President of Cuba as
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Speaker 3: well as being Secretary of State. I mean, that guy,
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Speaker 3: he's way way outperformed anything that I expected.
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Speaker 4: He's been extraordinary.
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Speaker 1: I mean, look at what the administrations has accomplished on
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Speaker 1: the world stage them at this point. I mean, you
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Speaker 1: had the setting back by years at least potentially a
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Speaker 1: decade or more of the Ironim nuclear program. You had
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Speaker 1: peace deals between Indian Pakistan. People forgot that there was
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Speaker 1: a real worry that these two that these two nuclear
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Speaker 1: countries can actually engage in direct fisticuffs. He got a
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Speaker 1: peace deal between Indian Pakistan. He got a peace deal
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Speaker 1: between Cambodia and Thailand, two rivals there in Southeast Asia.
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Speaker 1: He got this incredible peace steal that's being deeply unheralded
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Speaker 1: normally top meta between Armenia and Azerbaijan, two countries that
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Speaker 1: eted each other. I know because I was there. I
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Speaker 1: was in Armenia Gosho two and a half years ago.
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Speaker 1: Now went to the border. I saw firsthand, deep deep
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Speaker 1: vitril between these two countries. They are multiple wars over
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Speaker 1: the past trival three and a half four decades. And
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Speaker 1: not only did they get a peace deal, there's this
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Speaker 1: incredible press conference then no one covered at the White
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Speaker 1: House back in like early in the mid August, and
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Speaker 1: the two leaders are like clanking a champagne class. It's
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Speaker 1: incredible stuff. I mean, the level of Look, they haven't
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Speaker 1: gone the rush of Ukraine deal. It's not for lack
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Speaker 1: of trun They've been trying really really hard. Sometimes it's
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Speaker 1: just it's just really hard. I mean, lamp Punin's a
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Speaker 1: tough cookie, so sometimes it's just really really really hard
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Speaker 1: to get a deal. But they've accomplished so much there.
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Speaker 1: The Madure Operation a staggering success, a mind blowing success,
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Speaker 1: reminder of American resilience and American exceptionalism, especially in our
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Speaker 1: own hemisphere. And yeah, Rubio is behind not all of this,
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Speaker 1: but a lot of it. He really has been kind
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Speaker 1: of like the guy behind a lot of administrations staggering
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Speaker 1: diplomatic and foreign policies.
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Speaker 4: Success is there. So right now he's kind of he's buying.
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Speaker 1: He's being very coy when when he's asked about twenty
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Speaker 1: twenty eight he basically says, you know nothing about that,
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Speaker 1: or you know, if the Vice President runs out, I'll
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Speaker 1: support him there. If you asked me, my own opinion
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Speaker 1: what I think Mark Rubio is doing. I think he's
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Speaker 1: basically playing something with Stalky horse game right now. He
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Speaker 1: thinks probably it's a little bit too early to peak
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Speaker 1: at this time there. He wants to kind of let
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Speaker 1: the administration play out there, keep on panning his resume
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Speaker 1: there and at this point again I'm the ramafore, but
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Speaker 1: I would pre surprised if this momentum keeps up. The
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Speaker 1: Rubio I mean, presprise V does not mount a bit
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Speaker 1: in twenty twenty.
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Speaker 3: Yeah, he's been remarkable. I mean the foreign policy success
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Speaker 3: is Rwanda and got right. You know, there's been so
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Speaker 3: many of them, and you know, I was in Thailand
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Speaker 3: when they resumed their hostilities again, but you know he
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Speaker 3: stopped that and the whole thing with Russia Ukraine War.
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Speaker 3: I mean, the military industrial complex doesn't want it to end,
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Speaker 3: and until they've gotten their profits, I don't think it's
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Speaker 3: going to you know, it's a whole new generation of
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Speaker 3: hardware they're going to be able to sell, or that
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Speaker 3: they're selling now. So there's just too much against them
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Speaker 3: to stop it. But I think we're getting closer. A
17:15
Speaker 3: recent prisoner exchange, maybe that's an indication that they're going
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Speaker 3: to come to their senses because it's just like chewing
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Speaker 3: up men and capital with no benefit to either side. Now, look,
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Speaker 3: I hope you're right. I pray that you're right. It's
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Speaker 3: been absolute carnage.
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Speaker 1: So much attension goes to our Middle East conflicts for
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Speaker 1: various reasons that people just forget about the level of
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Speaker 1: depravitying carnage that had happened there in Ukraine and also
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Speaker 1: inside Russia as well, both places over the past four years.
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Speaker 1: You're talking here about a death toll in the hundreds
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Speaker 1: and hundreds of thousands. I mean, whatever the death toll
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Speaker 1: was in Gaza over the war, and it's certainly not
17:58
Speaker 1: what Aamas says it was, but we can debate exactly
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Speaker 1: what was there. It pales in comparison, pales a fraction
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Speaker 1: of the death toll in Russia Ukraine. Even if the
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Speaker 1: war were to actually end tomorrow, it would take Ukraine decades,
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Speaker 1: a half century at least probably to rebuild. They thinking
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Speaker 1: about the loss of young men and women, people who
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Speaker 1: are scarred PTSD, people who have fled the country, the
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Speaker 1: level of intellectual capital, financial capital, social capital, all of
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Speaker 1: it which is which has left the country to try
18:27
Speaker 1: to seek asylent refuge elsewhere. It's been an astounding, shockingly
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Speaker 1: high cost and unfortunately both parties I primarily blame Putin
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Speaker 1: and but Zelenski definitely has has the times been too
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Speaker 1: stubborn as well, and it's just been a very very
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Speaker 1: very very difficult deal internally. To your point, the military
18:47
Speaker 1: industrial complex, that's that's a very astute points when that's
18:50
Speaker 1: not really made very frequently. But they definitely don't have
18:52
Speaker 1: a particularly firm interest in ending this one, shall we say?
18:55
Speaker 4: I guess, I guess you're probably right and spot on
18:57
Speaker 4: about them.
18:58
Speaker 3: And they don't care who wins or loses. They don't
19:00
Speaker 3: care if the stuff gets blown up the moment it
19:03
Speaker 3: gets off the ship, because they're getting paid. At least
19:06
Speaker 3: Trump has shifted the financial burden to Europe rather than
19:10
Speaker 3: the US taxpayer, So be grateful for that. You know
19:14
Speaker 3: one thing I want to cover with you. I don't
19:16
Speaker 3: think it's covered enough. Fraud, all right, you're not surprised
19:21
Speaker 3: by the fraud that's being uncovered. I'm certainly not. I've
19:24
Speaker 3: been dealing with the government my whole adult life. There's
19:27
Speaker 3: more than enough fraud to go around. But the whole
19:31
Speaker 3: basis of the Great Society by Johnson. It's fraudulent on
19:35
Speaker 3: its face, right, I mean, it really was built to
19:40
Speaker 3: encourage fraud and to encourage the worst aspects of humanity.
19:46
Speaker 1: Well, it was only built to enable in a bet
19:49
Speaker 1: fraud at minimum, But I think above all, really it
19:52
Speaker 1: was built towards the goal of subservience, of trying to
19:56
Speaker 1: make more men dependent on the teat of the government
20:00
Speaker 1: and to make them subservient to Uncle Sam. Ultimately, you know,
20:04
Speaker 1: I've heard various skeptics critics of the welfare state. I
20:08
Speaker 1: mean Thomas Soule comes to mind. To Thomas soul has
20:11
Speaker 1: frequently sure said that the welfare state was one of
20:14
Speaker 1: the worst things that ever happened to the black family.
20:17
Speaker 1: For instance, I mean thinking about when Daniel Patrick moynihan
20:19
Speaker 1: famously decried the rate of out of wedlock parenting at
20:24
Speaker 1: the time of a child's birth in black families that
20:27
Speaker 1: happened in the late sixties early seventies. Well, that number
20:30
Speaker 1: has gone way way higher ever since then. There certainly,
20:33
Speaker 1: I think our welfare state bears at least.
20:35
Speaker 4: Part of the blame there.
20:36
Speaker 1: But you know, ultimately, look, I'm observing jew but I
20:40
Speaker 1: believe very very firmly in America's Protestant historical tradition, and
20:45
Speaker 1: I take, I take a thicker kind of cultural conception
20:49
Speaker 1: of positism in America, and I'm getting heer at notions
20:53
Speaker 1: like individuality, rebelliousness to an extent, and really kind of
20:58
Speaker 1: this notion of the Protestant but has really been bread
21:01
Speaker 1: and butter parts of America since the founding. You know,
21:05
Speaker 1: whether Prostent or Catholic, Jewish, whatever, if if you come
21:07
Speaker 1: to America, you have assimilated into that framework. And that
21:10
Speaker 1: really is what's made us great for a very, very
21:13
Speaker 1: very long time. The welfare states, you know, as began
21:17
Speaker 1: with Wijoe Wilson FDR, really exploited in nineteen sixties with LPJ,
21:21
Speaker 1: and then Obama expands it as well. Of course, the
21:23
Speaker 1: modern welfare state is a massive review. It has two
21:27
Speaker 1: middle fingers straight into the face of that historical pros
21:29
Speaker 1: and work ethic, and that's one of the many, many
21:31
Speaker 1: reasons why it is insidious and ultimately destructive to our
21:35
Speaker 1: American experiment.
21:36
Speaker 3: Yeah, well, I was a friend of mine and I
21:38
Speaker 3: was out at dinner, and we're definitely at different ends
21:41
Speaker 3: of the political spectrum. I mean, I'm more libertarian than conservative,
21:47
Speaker 3: but certainly a lot of my values aligned with the right,
21:51
Speaker 3: not in the way it's practiced necessarily, but in the theoretical backing.
21:55
Speaker 3: And you know, they're like complaining about something in Minneapolis whatever.
22:00
Speaker 3: I don't remember what it was about, and I said,
22:03
Speaker 3: do you really think we need more Somalis in the country.
22:07
Speaker 3: I said, eighty percent of them are on welfare receiving
22:11
Speaker 3: some type of public benefit, and then the other twenty
22:15
Speaker 3: maybe they're all fraudsters. I don't know the answer, but
22:18
Speaker 3: I do know, and it's nothing to do with somalis.
22:21
Speaker 3: It's a system that encourages fraud, embraces it doesn't hold
22:25
Speaker 3: fraudsters accountable, doesn't put them in jail. And you know,
22:30
Speaker 3: I'm just looking at it, and there's no surprises here
22:33
Speaker 3: at all. It's the natural outcome.
22:36
Speaker 1: No, there's no surprises at all from the ability. Frankly,
22:40
Speaker 1: possibly the innate, inbuilt nature of the well first eight
22:44
Speaker 1: to lend itself to fraud. But there's also something that
22:47
Speaker 1: is culturally innate in certain communities that lend themselves to
22:52
Speaker 1: fraud or taking advantage of others as well. I've seen
22:55
Speaker 1: the same stance that you have about the Smali community
22:57
Speaker 1: of Minnesota. Congressman Brandon Gill of Texas have him a
23:00
Speaker 1: guest on My show Personal Friend. In real life, he's
23:02
Speaker 1: doing an amazing work. They're on this issue, among others.
23:04
Speaker 1: He went viral on social media for this hearing where
23:07
Speaker 1: he was grilling people about the rates of things like
23:09
Speaker 1: welfare and fraud in that community there that doesn't happen accidentally.
23:14
Speaker 1: There is something fundamentally incompatible with that particular culture at
23:18
Speaker 1: this time, at least, I mean again and Milt change,
23:21
Speaker 1: but right now there's something fundamentally incompatible with small the
23:25
Speaker 1: values let's call them, with the values of I guess
23:29
Speaker 1: in this case the welfare state. And you know, it
23:32
Speaker 1: kind of reminds me of of the old Milton Freeman
23:34
Speaker 1: lawne about open borders and a welfare state. How you
23:37
Speaker 1: simply can't have both. I mean, you can't have mass
23:40
Speaker 1: uncontrolled immigration, frankly, even just mass completely unvetted legal immigration, right,
23:46
Speaker 1: massive immigration without any kind of eye towards dissimilation, I
23:50
Speaker 1: towards preserving some sense of unity and decency and cultures
23:53
Speaker 1: that you can't have any of that with a massive
23:55
Speaker 1: welfare state. And unfortunately that's the way it's been here
23:58
Speaker 1: in America for decades.
23:59
Speaker 3: This one, yeah, really has. The interesting thing is the
24:03
Speaker 3: shift in the Hispanic population. Conservatives always said once they
24:09
Speaker 3: buy into the American dream and the American system, that
24:13
Speaker 3: they're going to get more conservative, and then there's many
24:18
Speaker 3: different sub cultures of the Hispanic vote. But that is
24:23
Speaker 3: actually coming to pass. So that was one prophecy that
24:27
Speaker 3: really did come true.
24:29
Speaker 1: Yes, and I will know that didn't come true because
24:31
Speaker 1: of the problem that was given by Republican k stry
24:35
Speaker 1: consultants back during the Bush ministrations. Back then, this notion
24:38
Speaker 1: was ubiquitous that if you just give any and you
24:41
Speaker 1: try to legalize as many illegal lands as possible, this
24:43
Speaker 1: notion of a pathway citizenship. This was Bush's second term
24:47
Speaker 1: failed effort to get so called comprehensive immigration reform. This
24:50
Speaker 1: is part of the problem with Ruby at one point zero,
24:53
Speaker 1: you know, the infamous kind of Gang of eight tobacle
24:55
Speaker 1: back in twenty thirteen. Obviously, Marco's has changed to a
24:58
Speaker 1: little bit since then, but I mean suffice to say that.
25:02
Speaker 4: Those efforts were not rewarded with larger.
25:06
Speaker 1: Shares of Hispanic vote, perhaps ironically or perhaps innately. It
25:10
Speaker 1: took someone like Donald Trump that speaks some very harsh,
25:13
Speaker 1: unconventional truths to get this historical share of the Hispanic vote.
25:17
Speaker 1: I mean, I don't think it's an accident that you
25:19
Speaker 1: looked at and look at the twenty twenty election for instance.
25:22
Speaker 1: There when when Donald Trump now loses to Joe Biden,
25:24
Speaker 1: you have these heavily Hispanic counties, many of which stay
25:26
Speaker 1: with Trump, and twenty twenty four places like Star County,
25:29
Speaker 1: Texas is a PoTA County, Texas. Ay down there in
25:31
Speaker 1: the Rio Grande Valley. I mean, these are like ninety
25:34
Speaker 1: plus percent is Panic counties and they're voting for Donald Trump.
25:38
Speaker 1: And guess what those are not the Cubans here in
25:39
Speaker 1: South Florida where I live, No, those are Mexicans. But
25:42
Speaker 1: and I mean even here in central Florida, I said, Orlando,
25:46
Speaker 1: there is o'cala County, o'calla county, they formerly Blue County
25:50
Speaker 1: that has broken red recently too. It's a very heavily
25:52
Speaker 1: Puerto Rican county. Actually, so it's not even just the
25:54
Speaker 1: Venezuelans who are fleeing communism. No, I mean, there's been
25:57
Speaker 1: a real genuine shift there. Now I've heard some recent
26:00
Speaker 1: shatter from some Republican consultant types that they say that
26:04
Speaker 1: because of the ice raids, are this that that Republicans
26:07
Speaker 1: are risk throwing away all of their wins when it
26:09
Speaker 1: comes to Hispanic voters. They better compromise, they better do
26:12
Speaker 1: xyz thing. I'm open to having a conversation personally, but
26:16
Speaker 1: I am very skeptical of these sorts of claims because
26:18
Speaker 1: they were just demonstrably wrong for a very, very very
26:21
Speaker 1: long time. There is very little, if any empirical evidence
26:25
Speaker 1: that Hispanic voters reward squishiness on illegal immigration with votes.
26:29
Speaker 4: If anything, they seed to prefer the exact opposite of that.
26:31
Speaker 1: So I'm very skeptical, but I douinitely have heard that
26:33
Speaker 1: conversation start to pop up.
26:35
Speaker 3: Yeah. Interesting, But that's the shifts that take place over
26:40
Speaker 3: time in the country. You know, at one time California
26:44
Speaker 3: was read, New York was read in the late fifties,
26:48
Speaker 3: early sixties, and basically they lost their way. And you know,
26:54
Speaker 3: the trends occur. So as far as where we're heading
26:59
Speaker 3: in the country, you know, the insurrection that's taking place,
27:05
Speaker 3: At what point does that just have to be stopped
27:09
Speaker 3: by whatever means necessary.
27:12
Speaker 4: Look lawlessness has to be put down.
27:14
Speaker 1: Respect for the rule of law is ultimately separate civilization
27:17
Speaker 1: from barbarism. I mean it pretty much ultimately is really
27:20
Speaker 1: that symbol. You know, you're a former lawyer. I'm also a.
27:24
Speaker 4: Former slash current lawyer.
27:25
Speaker 1: I am still senior council at the arg three projects
27:27
Speaker 1: still bart actually in Texas, all the other live in Florida.
27:30
Speaker 4: The rule of law really.
27:31
Speaker 1: Is one of the ultimate differentiating factors and one of
27:34
Speaker 1: things that that has always made America a first world country.
27:37
Speaker 1: But what we've seen in place like Minnesota over the
27:40
Speaker 1: past month ish, I mean ever since DHS went in
27:43
Speaker 1: there following the explosion of the smalllly fraud story, the
27:46
Speaker 1: nix S early videos there, all that was what precipitated this,
27:49
Speaker 1: this Twin Cities Immigration Forcement operation. What we've seen has
27:54
Speaker 1: been you know, it says in the Book of Ecclesiastes in
27:57
Speaker 1: the Cohela that there's that there's nothing new under the sun, right,
27:59
Speaker 1: And we've seen some of these very old discredited talking
28:02
Speaker 1: points to arguments be made new again. So I almost
28:05
Speaker 1: leapt out of my seat in agony when I was
28:08
Speaker 1: watching the Attorney General there, Heith Ellis him when he
28:12
Speaker 1: read off his state's complaint against DHS. They filed a
28:16
Speaker 1: formal complaint at the time. It's about a little under
28:19
Speaker 1: a month ago against christin Noam, against all the folks
28:23
Speaker 1: there in DHS board patrol, Greg Ravino, and he's there
28:27
Speaker 1: and he's saying the Tenth Amendment in States Rights means
28:30
Speaker 1: that the federal government cannot belong here. And I'm sitting
28:33
Speaker 1: there thinking, if you were to say this and like
28:36
Speaker 1: a fixed Southern accent, the Tenth Amendment in stits ross
28:38
Speaker 1: the fedow government does not belong here in Minnesota. I mean,
28:42
Speaker 1: that's John C. Calhoun in the eighteen forties. That's the
28:45
Speaker 1: whole nullification crisis that did not end well. That's literally
28:49
Speaker 1: Orville Faubus standing outside the high school, Little Rock Central
28:53
Speaker 1: High School in Arkansas forcing Dwight Eisenhower to send me
28:57
Speaker 1: one hundred first Airborne to desegreate Little Run. I mean,
29:01
Speaker 1: this argument has been discredited time and time again throughout
29:04
Speaker 1: American history.
29:05
Speaker 3: There.
29:05
Speaker 1: So, look, it seems to me at this point that
29:09
Speaker 1: things are going Minnesota. It's certainly less in the news.
29:12
Speaker 1: There's seems like there's less in the way of catastrophic standoffs.
29:16
Speaker 1: Tom Holman, who I trust implicitly, seems to be quite
29:18
Speaker 1: satisfied at the level of Minnesota statewide and municipal compliance
29:24
Speaker 1: with the Feds. I'm a little skeptical, but if Tom
29:27
Speaker 1: Holman is satisfied, then I'm satisfy because I really have
29:30
Speaker 1: no reason, frankly, to doubt or question his discernment and
29:33
Speaker 1: judgment here.
29:34
Speaker 4: But if it were to escalate and pick.
29:37
Speaker 1: Up again there, then I will reiterate what I've been
29:39
Speaker 1: saying for a while and now, which is that we
29:40
Speaker 1: have a statute on the books literally exactly for this.
29:43
Speaker 1: It's called the Instruction at It was passed during the
29:45
Speaker 1: Thomas Jarfson presidency eighteen oh seven, who was last invoked
29:48
Speaker 1: in the Rodney King riots out of Los Angeles during
29:50
Speaker 1: the George HW.
29:51
Speaker 4: Bush administration.
29:52
Speaker 1: It's also, by the way, with what Abraham Lincoln invoked
29:54
Speaker 1: after the shots were fired and Fort Sumpter in April eight.
29:56
Speaker 4: And sixty one.
29:57
Speaker 1: When you have insurrectionary behavior, when you have this that
30:00
Speaker 1: the federal law is not going to be respected or enforced,
30:03
Speaker 1: this is the proper remedy there. And again, apparently we've
30:06
Speaker 1: had a bit of a bit of an easy attention.
30:10
Speaker 1: So something of a Dayton I guess you would say
30:12
Speaker 1: between Minnesota and the Feds bought off that situation were
30:14
Speaker 1: to change.
30:15
Speaker 4: Then there's a statute mister President's two in book.
30:18
Speaker 3: And you know, the federal takeover of d C, which
30:22
Speaker 3: clearly you know the federal government has the right to
30:26
Speaker 3: is the district. I was in d C like three
30:30
Speaker 3: four months ago, and a change there was profound. For
30:35
Speaker 3: one thing, Trump the master builder, is fixing every government
30:41
Speaker 3: building in d C that was a rundown or looked bad.
30:45
Speaker 3: I mean, the massive amount of construction going on there,
30:48
Speaker 3: restoring these buildings, the Supreme Court, so many other buildings,
30:52
Speaker 3: a lot of it he planned his first term. It
30:55
Speaker 3: kind of started during Biden and now it's it's really
30:58
Speaker 3: taken off. But the safety factor was definitely palpable. And
31:07
Speaker 3: you know, ye people say, well, you can't send in
31:11
Speaker 3: the troops, you know, if they don't want them. And
31:15
Speaker 3: yet like people are being saved here, you know, crime
31:20
Speaker 3: is down, murders are down. I don't see how the
31:23
Speaker 3: left can oppose a policy that is good for lower
31:29
Speaker 3: income people, good for everybody, the sense of safety, like
31:33
Speaker 3: what's happened in New Orleans, same thing, and even though
31:37
Speaker 3: they won't admit it, it's the same thing that's happened
31:40
Speaker 3: in Minneapolis. You get rid of the hardcore recidivists, especially
31:45
Speaker 3: the ones that are illegal aliens, You deport them, and
31:50
Speaker 3: miracle of well, miracle, crime goes down. And yet the
31:53
Speaker 3: left cannot accept this, Josh, I mean, this is where
31:58
Speaker 3: I just scratch my head and say, we're in different
32:02
Speaker 3: belief systems here. There's no way that they can be reached.
32:06
Speaker 1: Well, look, the president does have some unique powers. By
32:08
Speaker 1: washingtonc As you say, it's the federal district and the
32:10
Speaker 1: Felt government has more direct control. But there are ways
32:14
Speaker 1: to get involved in other jurisdictions as well. So this
32:18
Speaker 1: this notion of cooperation, it goes through the state. It
32:23
Speaker 1: goes to the governor's office, not to the city. That's why,
32:26
Speaker 1: for instance, to use my example of Eisenhower and orvill Fabus,
32:30
Speaker 1: that's why was the governor and not the mayor of
32:33
Speaker 1: Little Rock who is standing athwart the high school there?
32:36
Speaker 1: Because this this notion of cooperation between the National Guard
32:39
Speaker 1: and the states, it's only up.
32:40
Speaker 3: To the states.
32:41
Speaker 1: Why do I say that, Well, because if you have
32:42
Speaker 1: a blue city in a red state, you mentioned New
32:45
Speaker 1: Orleans is a very good example. New Orleans, Saint Louis, Missouri.
32:50
Speaker 1: You know, have a Memphis, Tennessee. I mean places like this. Frankly,
32:53
Speaker 1: even Austin, Texas. A lot, a lot of these blue
32:56
Speaker 1: cities and red states are totally ripe or absolutely ripe
32:59
Speaker 1: for for having President Trump send in the National Guard
33:03
Speaker 1: with the cooperation of the governor there and just to
33:06
Speaker 1: reap the results of this. Look, why should you see
33:07
Speaker 1: I think I saw this. They just had I could
33:10
Speaker 1: be right. I think they had one reported homicide, one
33:14
Speaker 1: for the entire month of January. I could be misremembering there,
33:17
Speaker 1: but I'm pretty sure I heard that again. Made there
33:20
Speaker 1: are more, but there's only one form reported one, which
33:22
Speaker 1: is the lowest number in decades, absolutely in decades. I
33:25
Speaker 1: mean that is staggering stuff. By the way, the total
33:28
Speaker 1: number of homicides in America in the year twenty twenty
33:31
Speaker 1: five dropped the lowest number since the McKinley administration since
33:36
Speaker 1: the year nineteen hundred, just to around the time McKinley
33:38
Speaker 1: was assassinating Teddy roosewelt Stepp, then as the youngest president
33:41
Speaker 1: at the time. I mean, this is historical stuff. Look,
33:46
Speaker 1: when it comes to crime, when it comes to border security,
33:50
Speaker 1: physical security, these are really the things that ultimately do
33:53
Speaker 1: win over voter. It's very similar to those Hispanic voters
33:55
Speaker 1: there in the Rio Grand Value of Texas. I think
33:58
Speaker 1: that the Hispanic voters want a Cinelola cartel or the
34:02
Speaker 1: other cartels to run rough shot over that border.
34:05
Speaker 4: You kidding me?
34:06
Speaker 1: I mean they don't want that anything more than the
34:08
Speaker 1: blue collar, middle class worker in Northeast DC wants in
34:12
Speaker 1: gang violence and shots ringing out there on a random
34:14
Speaker 1: Tuesday or Wednesday night. I mean, no one wants this there.
34:17
Speaker 1: The solution is law and or the solution is reducing
34:20
Speaker 1: crime and forcing our laws and forcing border security, getting
34:23
Speaker 1: people's physical security and their knees and wants and desires
34:27
Speaker 1: up to a better place there. And ultimately that's how
34:29
Speaker 1: you pick up voters in this country, I think.
34:31
Speaker 3: And you know, the left will deny the efficacy of
34:34
Speaker 3: Trump's measures. That's guaranteed because I know, like I was
34:39
Speaker 3: in New York when Giuliani became mayor, and the turnabout
34:44
Speaker 3: was so dramatic, the reduction in crime, the perception of
34:49
Speaker 3: safety in public spaces, and a general decline in anti
34:55
Speaker 3: social behavior among certain groups. And yet now when you
35:00
Speaker 3: go back, they won't admit Juliani's accomplishments. They say it
35:06
Speaker 3: was demographically driven, all sorts of ridiculous things. So unfortunately
35:11
Speaker 3: we can't expect Trump to get the to get the
35:15
Speaker 3: respect and the credit that he deserves. But hopefully history
35:19
Speaker 3: will write it. Josh, we want to find out more
35:22
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35:26
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35:27
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35:28
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