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Actor Mark Metcalf, Author John Hollinger · WGBB Sports Talk New York

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following
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represent
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those
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Talk
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New
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York.
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Good
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evening
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and
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hello
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again
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everybody.
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Welcome
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welcome
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to
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Sports
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Talk
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New
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York
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on
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WGB
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here
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in
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Merrick,
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Long
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Island,
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New
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York.
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Bill
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Donahue
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here.
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I'm
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taking
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you
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through
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the
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first
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hour
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and
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the
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second
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hour
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on
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this,
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the
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15th
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day
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of
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December,
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2024.
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Our
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engineer
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Brian
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Graves
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with
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us
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as
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usual,
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hanging
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with
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us
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behind
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the
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glass.
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We
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have
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kind
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of
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a
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blockbuster
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show
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for
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you
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tonight,
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really.
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One
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of
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our
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Author
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Author
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show
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is
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up
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first.
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Well,
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welcome
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back
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to
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the
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show
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the
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great
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actor
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Mark
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Metcalf,
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who
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as
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you
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know,
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Douglas
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C.
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Niedermeier
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in
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Animal
1:01
House,
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the
1:02
maestro
1:03
on
1:03
Seinfeld
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and
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the
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dad
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in
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the
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Twisted
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Sister
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vids.
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He
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has
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a
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great
1:08
new
1:08
book
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out
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about
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his
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late
1:10
brother
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that
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we
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will
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discuss
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with
1:11
him.
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Next
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up,
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we'll
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welcome
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in
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author
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John
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Hollinger
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in
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his
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latest
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book
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he's
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co
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written
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entitled
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the
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Basketball
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100
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about
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the
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greatest
1:20
players
1:21
in
1:21
hoops
1:22
history.
1:23
At
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9
1:23
o'clock
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we'll
1:24
speak
1:24
to
1:24
former
1:25
big
1:25
league
1:25
pitcher
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and
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the
1:26
author,
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if
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you
1:27
will,
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of
1:28
his
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own
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no
1:29
hitter
1:29
George
1:29
Culver.
1:30
He'll
1:30
speak
1:31
to
1:31
us
1:31
about
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his
1:31
new
1:32
book.
1:32
And
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last
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but
1:33
certainly
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not
1:34
least,
1:34
we'll
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speak
1:35
with
1:35
Joe
1:35
Unitas,
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the
1:36
son
1:37
of
1:37
Johnny,
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and
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we'll
1:38
discuss
1:39
his
1:39
latest
1:39
book,
1:40
unitus
1:41
to
1:41
Unit
1:42
us
1:42
about
1:43
lessons
1:43
passed
1:44
down
1:45
from
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father
1:45
to
1:46
son.
1:46
Well,
1:47
some
1:47
fine
1:48
books
1:48
for
1:48
you
1:48
guys
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to
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check
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into,
1:50
perhaps
1:51
some
1:51
last
1:51
minute
1:52
holiday
1:52
gifts
1:53
for
1:53
the
1:53
reader
1:53
in
1:54
your
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life
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and
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you'll
1:55
hear
1:55
about
1:56
them
1:56
and
1:57
straight
1:57
from
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the
1:58
authors
1:58
tonight.
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So
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sit
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back,
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relax,
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get
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yourself
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a
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drink
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and
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a
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snack.
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Get
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comfy,
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enjoy
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the
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ride
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tonight
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as
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always,
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before
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we
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begin,
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I
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invite
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you
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to
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follow
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me
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on
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Facebook.
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It's
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called
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Talk
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New
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Sports.
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So
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much
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there.
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Stop
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by,
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give
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a
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Well,
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our
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first
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guest,
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a
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fine
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actor
2:33
and
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he
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now
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adds
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fine
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writer
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to
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his
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resume.
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He's
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turned
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up
2:40
Isaid,DouglasC.NiedermeierinAnimalHouse.He'sthemaestroinSeinfeldandthefatherintheTwistedSistervideos.Andasweknow,TwistedSister,ofcourse,hailsfromLongIsland.HehasanewbookouttitledTim.Tim.Timmy.WhichGriffinDunn
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describesasanachinglyhonestodetohisbrother.We
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willtalkfurtheraboutthat.I'mgladtowelcomebacktotheshowMarkMetcalf.Mark,goodevening.
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Good
3:08
evening.
3:09
Thank
3:09
you
3:09
very
3:09
much.
3:10
I
3:11
thank
3:11
you.
3:11
Good
3:12
to
3:12
be
3:12
here.
3:12
Good
3:12
to
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see.
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Good
3:13
to
3:13
talk
3:13
to
3:13
you
3:13
again.
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Good
3:14
to
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have
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you
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with
3:15
us,
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Mark.
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Now,
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as
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we
3:16
spoke
3:17
during
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the
3:17
week,
3:18
you're
3:18
a
3:18
St.
3:18
Louis
3:19
Cardinal
3:19
fan,
3:19
but
3:20
you
3:20
found
3:20
yourself
3:20
rooting
3:21
for
3:21
the
3:21
Dodgers
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in
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the
3:22
Series
3:22
because
3:23
of
3:23
Tommy
3:23
Edmond.
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Right.
3:25
Tommy
3:25
Edmond
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was
3:26
my
3:26
favorite
3:27
Cardinal.
3:27
I
3:27
used
3:28
to
3:28
say
3:29
when
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I
3:30
show
3:30
people
3:30
the
3:31
Cardinals
3:31
playing
3:31
baseball,
3:32
I'd
3:32
say,
3:32
that's
3:32
my
3:32
boyfriend,
3:35
Tommy
3:35
Edmund.
3:36
I
3:37
love
3:37
to
3:37
watch
3:37
him
3:38
play
3:38
second
3:38
base.
3:39
When
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they
3:39
moved
3:39
him
3:40
to
3:40
outfield,
3:40
he
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was
3:40
a
3:41
great
3:41
center
3:41
fielder.
3:42
I
3:42
think
3:42
he's
3:42
a
3:42
Hall
3:43
of
3:43
Fame
3:43
second
3:43
baseman.
3:44
If
3:44
the
3:45
game
3:45
was
3:45
different
3:46
now
3:46
and
3:46
they
3:47
let
3:47
people
3:47
play
3:48
one
3:48
position
3:49
and
3:50
all
3:51
their
3:51
whole
3:51
career,
3:51
I
3:52
think
3:52
he'd
3:52
be
3:52
hall
3:52
of
3:52
Fame.
3:52
And
3:53
he
3:53
may
3:54
still
3:54
be.
3:55
And
3:56
he
3:56
was
3:56
hurt
3:57
and
3:57
didn't
3:57
play
3:57
for
3:57
the
3:57
Cardinals.
3:58
And
3:59
then
3:59
they
3:59
traded
3:59
him,
3:59
which
4:00
I
4:00
had
4:00
a
4:00
fear.
4:01
I
4:01
was
4:01
afraid
4:01
they
4:02
would.
4:02
They
4:03
traded
4:03
him
4:03
to
4:03
the
4:03
Dodgers.
4:04
And
4:04
that
4:04
made
4:04
it
4:04
really
4:05
hard
4:05
because
4:05
ever
4:06
since
4:06
Steve
4:06
Garvey,
4:07
I've
4:07
hated
4:08
the
4:09
Dodger
4:09
uniform.
4:10
Yeah,
4:10
I
4:11
know.
4:11
Because
4:11
I
4:12
think
4:12
Steve
4:12
Garvey
4:13
or
4:14
his
4:14
clone
4:15
gave
4:15
me
4:15
a
4:15
couple
4:15
of
4:16
speeding
4:16
tickets
4:16
when
4:17
I
4:17
was
4:17
going
4:17
too
4:18
fast.
4:18
All
4:18
right.
4:18
But,
4:19
you
4:20
know.
4:20
Yeah,
4:21
we
4:21
need
4:21
speed.
4:22
Exactly.
4:22
And
4:23
so
4:23
when
4:23
they
4:23
traded
4:24
Tommy
4:24
Edmond,
4:25
I
4:26
decided
4:26
to
4:26
watch
4:27
the
4:27
World
4:27
Series
4:27
rather
4:28
than
4:28
boycott
4:28
it.
4:29
And,
4:30
you
4:30
know,
4:31
they're
4:31
a
4:31
great
4:31
bunch
4:31
of
4:32
ballplayers.
4:32
Freddy
4:32
Freeman.
4:33
Yeah.
4:34
In
4:34
any
4:34
uniform
4:35
would
4:35
be
4:35
great.
4:35
Tommy
4:36
Edmond
4:37
is
4:37
just
4:38
a
4:38
great
4:38
baseball
4:39
player.
4:39
Good
4:39
old
4:40
school
4:40
baseball
4:41
player.
4:41
And
4:41
who
4:42
he
4:42
bets
4:42
is
4:43
the
4:43
greatest.
4:43
Yes,
4:45
I
4:45
hear
4:45
you.
4:46
I
4:47
used
4:47
to
4:47
think
4:47
Freddy
4:47
Freeman
4:48
was
4:48
just
4:48
a
4:48
met
4:49
killer.
4:49
But
4:49
Freddy
4:50
Freeman
4:50
kills
4:51
everybody,
4:51
Mark.
4:52
He
4:52
does,
4:55
even
4:55
when
4:56
he
4:56
can.
4:57
Weren't
4:57
you
4:57
reminded
4:58
that
4:58
there
4:58
were
4:58
a
4:58
couple
4:58
of
4:59
moments
4:59
in
4:59
that
4:59
World
4:59
Series
5:00
where
5:01
he
5:01
reminded
5:01
me
5:01
of.
5:01
What
5:01
was
5:02
it,
5:02
the
5:02
88
5:02
World
5:03
Series
5:03
when
5:03
Kirk
5:04
Gibson.
5:04
Gibson
5:06
came
5:06
off
5:06
the
5:06
bench,
5:07
could
5:07
barely
5:07
walk
5:08
and
5:08
hit
5:08
that
5:08
home
5:08
run.
5:10
Inspirational.
5:11
Inspirational,
5:12
Mark.
5:12
That
5:13
is
5:13
for
5:13
sure.
5:14
Now,
5:14
I
5:14
want
5:14
a
5:15
couple
5:15
of
5:15
questions
5:15
about
5:16
Animal
5:16
House,
5:17
the
5:18
ROTC
5:19
scene
5:19
you
5:20
had
5:20
with
5:20
Stephen
5:20
first,
5:21
who,
5:21
of
5:21
course,
5:21
we
5:22
know
5:22
is
5:22
Flounder.
5:23
It
5:23
looks
5:23
like
5:24
you
5:24
had
5:24
some
5:24
experience
5:25
with
5:26
horses.
5:28
Yeah,
5:29
well,
5:30
when
5:30
I
5:31
auditioned
5:31
for
5:32
the.
5:32
For
5:32
the
5:32
film,
5:33
I.
5:34
I
5:34
went
5:34
up
5:35
to
5:35
beat
5:35
John
5:35
Landis
5:36
for
5:36
the
5:37
role
5:37
of
5:37
Otter,
5:37
the
5:37
part
5:38
that
5:38
Tim
5:38
Matheson
5:39
played.
5:41
And
5:41
as
5:42
soon
5:42
as
5:42
I
5:42
walked
5:42
through
5:42
the
5:42
door,
5:43
John
5:43
Landis
5:43
said,
5:44
I
5:44
may
5:44
have
5:44
told
5:44
you
5:45
this
5:45
story.
5:45
John
5:46
Landis
5:46
said,
5:46
do
5:46
you
5:46
know
5:47
how
5:47
to
5:47
ride?
5:48
And
5:48
I'd
5:48
read
5:48
the
5:49
script,
5:49
so
5:49
I
5:49
knew
5:49
what
5:49
he
5:50
was
5:50
talking
5:50
about
5:50
and
5:50
I
5:50
knew
5:50
that
5:51
was
5:51
a
5:51
good
5:51
part.
5:52
And
5:52
I
5:52
said,
5:52
of
5:52
course
5:53
I
5:53
know
5:53
how
5:53
to
5:53
ride.
5:53
I
5:54
was
5:54
practically
5:54
born
5:55
on
5:55
a
5:55
horse.
5:55
My
5:55
mother's
5:56
water
5:56
broke
5:56
when
5:57
she
5:57
was
5:57
out
5:57
on
5:57
a
5:57
trail
5:58
ride
5:58
on
5:58
a
5:58
ranch
5:59
in
5:59
Montana.
6:00
My
6:00
father
6:00
slid
6:01
off
6:01
the
6:01
horse
6:01
and
6:01
delivered
6:02
me
6:02
in
6:02
the
6:02
shade
6:02
of
6:03
the
6:03
horse
6:03
and
6:04
he
6:04
delivered
6:04
calves,
6:05
why
6:05
not
6:05
deliver
6:05
me?
6:06
Sure.
6:06
And
6:07
we
6:07
got
6:07
back
6:07
on
6:07
the
6:07
horse
6:07
and
6:08
went.
6:08
And
6:08
John
6:08
Landis
6:09
looked
6:09
at
6:09
me
6:09
through
6:09
this
6:10
whole
6:10
story,
6:11
and
6:11
I
6:11
made
6:11
it
6:11
longer
6:11
than
6:12
I
6:12
did
6:12
just
6:12
then
6:13
and
6:13
said,
6:14
yeah,
6:14
right.
6:15
And
6:15
I
6:15
told
6:15
him
6:16
five
6:16
more
6:16
lies
6:17
about
6:17
how
6:17
I
6:17
knew
6:18
how
6:18
to
6:18
ride.
6:19
And
6:19
he
6:19
called
6:20
me
6:20
the
6:20
next
6:20
day
6:20
and
6:20
said,
6:20
I
6:20
want
6:21
you
6:21
to
6:21
do
6:21
this
6:22
part.
6:22
I
6:22
said,
6:23
okay,
6:23
great,
6:23
John,
6:23
do
6:24
you
6:24
think
6:24
you
6:24
can
6:24
get
6:25
Universal
6:25
to
6:26
give
6:26
you
6:26
some
6:26
money
6:27
so
6:27
I
6:27
can
6:27
learn
6:27
how
6:27
to
6:28
ride?
6:29
And
6:30
I
6:31
studied
6:31
at
6:31
Claremont
6:32
Stables,
6:32
which
6:32
is
6:33
there
6:33
just
6:34
on
6:34
the
6:34
edge
6:34
of
6:35
Central
6:36
Park.
6:36
I
6:36
studied
6:36
in
6:37
New
6:37
York
6:37
and
6:37
rode
6:38
around
6:38
Central
6:38
park
6:38
with
6:39
this
6:39
little
6:39
blond
6:40
headed
6:40
German
6:40
woman
6:41
who
6:41
had
6:41
a
6:42
riding
6:42
crop
6:42
in
6:43
her
6:43
hand
6:43
all
6:43
the
6:43
time,
6:44
which
6:44
I
6:44
thought
6:44
was
6:44
for
6:44
the
6:45
horse,
6:45
but
6:45
it
6:45
turned
6:45
out
6:46
it
6:46
was
6:46
for
6:46
me.
6:47
And.
6:48
And
6:48
I
6:49
learned
6:49
how
6:49
to
6:49
ride
6:49
well
6:49
enough
6:50
to
6:50
ride
6:50
in
6:50
that.
6:51
In
6:51
that.
6:52
In
6:52
that
6:53
movie.
6:53
And
6:53
then
6:53
after
6:54
I
6:54
did
6:54
the
6:54
movie,
6:55
a
6:56
wonderful
6:56
woman
6:57
named
6:57
Stevie
6:57
Myers
6:58
wrangled
6:59
that
6:59
horse.
7:00
She.
7:00
And
7:01
she.
7:01
Her
7:01
father,
7:03
whose
7:03
name
7:03
I
7:03
don't
7:04
remember,
7:04
and
7:04
Chill
7:05
Wills
7:05
started
7:05
the
7:06
Myers
7:06
and
7:06
Wills
7:07
ranch
7:07
out
7:07
in
7:07
the
7:07
west
7:08
part
7:08
of
7:08
the
7:08
valley,
7:09
over
7:09
in
7:09
the
7:09
east
7:10
part
7:10
of
7:10
the
7:10
valley
7:10
over
7:11
Tonga
7:11
Wash.
7:12
And
7:12
they,
7:13
they
7:13
wrangled
7:13
horses
7:14
for
7:14
movies
7:14
back
7:15
when
7:15
there
7:15
were
7:15
a
7:15
lot
7:16
of
7:16
westerns
7:16
being
7:17
made.
7:17
Chill
7:17
Wills,
7:18
if
7:18
you
7:18
don't
7:19
remember
7:19
the
7:20
name,
7:20
he
7:20
was
7:21
an
7:21
actor
7:21
in
7:22
a
7:22
lot
7:22
of
7:22
western
7:22
movies.
7:23
And
7:24
Stevie
7:25
said,
7:25
listen,
7:25
if
7:25
you
7:26
come
7:26
down
7:26
to
7:26
la,
7:26
ever,
7:27
if
7:27
you
7:27
want
7:27
to
7:28
ride,
7:28
just
7:29
give
7:29
me
7:29
a
7:29
call
7:29
and
7:29
you
7:29
can
7:29
come
7:30
out
7:30
and
7:30
you
7:30
can
7:30
exercise
7:31
my
7:31
horses.
7:31
Because
7:31
she
7:32
had
7:32
250
7:33
head
7:33
of
7:33
horses.
7:34
And
7:35
I
7:35
went
7:35
out
7:35
there
7:36
about
7:36
two,
7:36
two,
7:36
three
7:37
times
7:37
a
7:37
week.
7:37
I
7:37
would
7:38
go
7:38
out
7:38
there
7:38
when
7:38
I
7:38
first
7:39
got
7:39
to
7:39
LA
7:39
and
7:41
would
7:41
exercise
7:42
the
7:42
horses.
7:43
I
7:43
would
7:43
take
7:43
them
7:43
out
7:43
on
7:43
trail
7:44
rides,
7:44
I'd
7:44
work
7:45
them
7:45
in
7:45
the
7:45
ring.
7:45
So
7:46
I
7:46
got
7:46
a
7:47
good
7:47
schooling
7:48
from
7:48
her
7:48
and
7:48
from
7:48
her
7:49
horses.
7:49
In
7:50
fact,
7:50
I
7:50
got
7:50
to
7:51
ride
7:51
Pie,
7:52
which
7:52
was
7:52
Jimmy
7:53
Stewart's
7:53
horse.
7:54
Wow.
7:54
And
7:55
Jimmy,
7:55
Jimmy
7:55
Stewart
7:56
had
7:56
been
7:56
a
7:56
long
7:57
time
7:57
hero
7:57
of
7:57
mine,
7:59
and
7:59
so
8:00
it
8:00
was
8:00
great
8:00
to
8:00
ride
8:00
his
8:01
horse.
8:01
And
8:01
the
8:01
horse
8:01
I
8:02
rode
8:02
in
8:02
the
8:03
movie
8:03
Animal
8:03
House
8:04
actually
8:04
was
8:04
the
8:04
same
8:05
horse
8:05
that
8:06
the
8:06
Lone
8:06
Ranger,
8:09
Clayton
8:09
Moore
8:10
I
8:10
think
8:10
his
8:10
name
8:10
was
8:11
right.
8:11
Used
8:11
to
8:11
ride.
8:12
He
8:12
was
8:12
no
8:12
longer
8:13
making
8:13
the
8:13
Lone
8:13
Ranger
8:14
television
8:15
series,
8:15
but
8:15
he
8:15
had
8:15
a
8:15
horse
8:16
because
8:16
he
8:17
was
8:17
invited
8:17
to
8:17
open
8:18
supermarkets
8:19
every
8:19
once
8:19
in
8:19
a
8:19
while
8:19
in
8:20
malls
8:20
and
8:20
ride
8:20
in
8:21
on
8:21
his.
8:21
On
8:22
high
8:22
Ho.
8:22
Silver.
8:23
And
8:23
he.
8:24
Junior.
8:24
The
8:24
horse
8:25
I
8:25
rode
8:25
was
8:25
the
8:25
horse
8:26
that
8:26
he
8:26
rode
8:26
when
8:26
he
8:26
would
8:27
open
8:27
a
8:27
supermarket.
8:28
Outstanding.
8:29
What
8:29
a
8:29
story
8:30
that
8:30
is,
8:30
Mark.
8:31
Yeah.
8:31
Wow.
8:32
Yeah,
8:32
A
8:32
lot
8:32
of
8:33
good
8:33
history
8:33
there.
8:34
Now,
8:34
the
8:35
climactic
8:35
parade
8:36
scene,
8:37
I
8:37
often
8:37
wondered,
8:38
how
8:38
long
8:38
did
8:38
that
8:39
take
8:39
to
8:39
film,
8:40
that
8:40
final
8:40
scene?
8:42
Five
8:43
days.
8:43
We
8:43
were
8:43
down.
8:43
That
8:44
was
8:44
shot
8:44
in
8:44
Cottage
8:45
Grove.
8:46
And
8:46
it's
8:46
such
8:46
a
8:47
big
8:47
piece
8:47
with
8:47
such
8:48
a
8:48
lot
8:48
of
8:48
extras.
8:49
In
8:49
fact,
8:49
I
8:49
was
8:50
just
8:50
talking
8:50
to
8:50
a
8:50
fellow
8:50
at
8:51
the
8:51
dog
8:51
park
8:51
with
8:51
my
8:52
dog
8:52
who
8:54
I
8:54
think
8:54
he
8:54
said
8:55
his
8:55
nephew
8:57
went
8:57
to.
8:58
Lived
8:58
in
8:58
Cottage
8:58
Grove,
8:59
grew
8:59
up
8:59
in
8:59
Cottage
8:59
Grove
9:00
and
9:00
was
9:02
an
9:02
extra.
9:03
And
9:03
he
9:03
loves
9:03
to
9:04
watch
9:04
the
9:04
movie
9:04
because
9:04
he
9:04
gets
9:05
to
9:05
see
9:05
his
9:05
whole
9:06
high
9:06
school
9:06
class
9:07
in
9:07
the
9:07
background
9:07
as
9:07
extras.
9:08
We
9:09
hired
9:09
extras
9:09
for
9:10
20
9:10
bucks
9:10
a
9:10
day,
9:10
25
9:11
bucks
9:11
a
9:11
day,
9:11
and
9:12
gave
9:12
them
9:12
a
9:13
peanut
9:13
butter
9:13
sandwich,
9:14
probably.
9:15
And
9:15
they
9:15
came
9:15
back
9:16
for
9:16
five
9:16
days
9:17
and
9:18
endured
9:19
the
9:19
shenanigans
9:20
that
9:20
we
9:20
put
9:20
on
9:21
down
9:21
there.
9:21
Yeah.
9:22
I
9:22
don't
9:22
think
9:23
Cottage.
9:23
I
9:23
don't
9:23
think
9:23
the
9:24
mayor
9:24
of
9:24
Cottage
9:24
Grove
9:25
was
9:25
as
9:25
happy
9:28
afterwards
9:29
as
9:29
he
9:29
was
9:29
beforehand.
9:30
Cottage
9:31
Grove
9:31
had
9:32
a
9:32
history
9:32
with
9:33
movies,
9:33
but
9:34
the
9:34
only
9:34
history
9:34
goes
9:35
as
9:35
far
9:35
back
9:35
as
9:35
Buster
9:36
Keaton's
9:36
movie
9:37
the
9:37
General.
9:40
Yeah,
9:41
yeah.
9:42
Great
9:42
film.
9:42
Brilliant
9:43
movie.
9:43
Yeah,
9:44
Great,
9:44
great
9:44
film.
9:45
Yeah.
9:45
But
9:46
they
9:46
had.
9:46
That
9:46
was
9:46
a
9:46
long
9:47
time.
9:47
That
9:47
was
9:47
60,
9:48
70
9:48
years
9:49
before.
9:50
Yeah,
9:51
yeah.
9:51
They'd
9:51
forgotten
9:52
that.
9:53
They've
9:53
forgotten
9:53
what
9:54
havoc
9:54
movies
9:55
can
9:55
wreak
9:56
upon
9:56
a
9:56
village.
9:57
A
9:57
small
9:57
time.
9:57
Yeah.
9:58
Now,
9:59
another
9:59
iconic
10:00
role
10:00
I
10:01
mentioned
10:01
before
10:01
was
10:01
the
10:02
maestro
10:02
on
10:03
Seinfeld.
10:04
And
10:05
what
10:05
I
10:05
found
10:06
interesting
10:06
about
10:06
that,
10:07
Mark,
10:07
is
10:08
they
10:08
brought
10:08
you
10:08
back
10:09
for
10:09
a
10:09
second
10:09
go
10:09
around.
10:10
They
10:10
very
10:11
rarely
10:11
did
10:11
that
10:12
with
10:12
Elaine's
10:13
boyfriend.
10:14
I
10:14
mean,
10:14
there
10:14
was
10:14
putty
10:15
and
10:15
guys
10:16
like
10:16
that.
10:16
But
10:17
you
10:18
were
10:18
in
10:18
two
10:18
episodes,
10:19
the
10:19
Tuscany
10:20
episode
10:20
and
10:21
of
10:21
course,
10:21
the
10:21
classic
10:22
pool
10:23
room
10:23
episode
10:24
with
10:25
Jerry
10:25
Stiller,
10:26
Michael
10:27
Richards.
10:27
And
10:27
of
10:27
course,
10:28
I
10:29
can't
10:29
think
10:29
of
10:29
the
10:29
woman's
10:30
name,
10:30
but
10:30
Estelle.
10:31
Oh,
10:32
yeah.
10:32
Estelle.
10:32
Yeah.
10:35
In
10:36
our
10:36
boxer
10:36
shorts.
10:37
Or
10:37
I'm
10:37
playing
10:37
in
10:37
my
10:38
boxer
10:38
shorts.
10:38
Right,
10:39
yeah.
10:39
Because
10:40
you
10:40
didn't
10:40
want
10:40
to
10:40
lose
10:41
the
10:41
crease
10:41
in
10:41
your
10:41
pants.
10:42
Of
10:42
course.
10:43
Exactly.
10:43
If
10:43
I'm
10:44
going
10:44
to
10:44
perform,
10:44
I
10:45
want
10:45
my
10:45
pants
10:45
to
10:45
be
10:46
perfectly
10:46
pressed,
10:47
so
10:47
I
10:48
put
10:48
them
10:48
on
10:48
a
10:48
hanger
10:49
and
10:49
play
10:49
go
10:50
everywhere
10:50
in
10:50
my
10:50
boxer
10:51
shorts.
10:51
And
10:52
of
10:52
course,
10:52
you
10:53
learn
10:53
my
10:53
tux.
10:54
Jacket
10:54
on,
10:54
oddly
10:55
enough.
10:55
Yeah.
10:56
And
10:56
of
10:57
course,
10:57
you
10:57
learn
10:57
that.
10:57
You
10:58
learn
10:58
that
10:58
from
10:58
the
10:59
Maestro.
10:59
Leonard
11:00
Bernstein.
11:01
That's
11:01
right.
11:02
That's
11:02
right.
11:03
Maestro
11:04
is
11:04
good
11:04
enough
11:05
name
11:05
for
11:05
him.
11:05
It's
11:06
good
11:06
enough
11:06
for
11:06
me.
11:07
Exactly.
11:07
We're
11:07
speaking
11:08
with
11:08
the
11:08
great
11:08
Mark
11:09
Metcalf
11:09
tonight
11:10
on
11:10
Sports
11:10
Talk
11:11
New
11:11
York.
11:11
Now,
11:12
the
11:12
Twisted
11:12
Sister
11:13
videos,
11:13
as
11:14
you
11:14
know,
11:14
they're
11:14
a
11:15
local
11:15
band
11:15
here
11:15
from
11:16
Long
11:16
Island.
11:17
How
11:17
did
11:17
the
11:17
idea
11:18
come
11:18
about
11:19
for
11:20
those
11:20
videos?
11:21
Who
11:21
came
11:21
up
11:21
with
11:22
that
11:22
idea?
11:23
It
11:23
was
11:24
their
11:24
idea.
11:24
They
11:24
had
11:25
loved
11:25
the
11:25
movie
11:25
and
11:26
loved
11:26
my
11:26
character,
11:27
and
11:27
Dee
11:27
used
11:27
to
11:28
use
11:28
lines
11:29
of
11:30
mine
11:30
from
11:30
the
11:30
movie
11:31
in
11:31
their.
11:31
In
11:32
their
11:32
act
11:32
when
11:32
they
11:32
were
11:33
playing
11:33
bars
11:34
basically
11:34
all
11:34
over
11:34
Long
11:35
island
11:35
and
11:35
up
11:35
and
11:35
down
11:35
the
11:36
Hudson
11:36
river
11:36
in
11:36
Jersey.
11:37
Right.
11:38
And
11:38
so
11:39
when
11:39
Atlantic
11:40
Records,
11:40
I
11:40
think
11:40
it
11:40
was
11:40
Atlantic
11:41
Records,
11:41
gave
11:41
them
11:42
money
11:42
to
11:42
make
11:43
a
11:43
video
11:44
because
11:44
MTV
11:45
was
11:45
relatively
11:45
new
11:46
in
11:46
the
11:46
way
11:46
you
11:47
promoted
11:47
a
11:47
movie.
11:48
An
11:49
album,
11:49
then
11:49
was
11:50
a
11:50
video,
11:51
right.
11:52
They
11:52
said,
11:52
let's
11:53
get
11:53
Niedermeyer.
11:54
And
11:54
I
11:55
don't
11:55
know
11:55
how
11:56
they
11:56
found
11:56
me,
11:56
but
11:57
they
11:57
called
11:57
me
11:57
at
11:57
home
11:58
in
11:59
New
11:59
York.
11:59
I
11:59
was
11:59
living
11:59
in
12:00
the
12:00
Lower
12:00
east
12:00
side
12:00
in
12:01
St
12:01
Mark's
12:01
Place,
12:02
and
12:03
I
12:03
didn't
12:03
even
12:04
have
12:04
a
12:04
television.
12:05
No
12:05
idea
12:06
what
12:07
MTV
12:07
was.
12:08
In
12:08
fact,
12:10
after
12:10
Beethoven
12:11
died,
12:11
I
12:11
stopped
12:11
listening
12:12
to
12:12
popular
12:12
music
12:13
and.
12:14
But
12:14
they
12:14
called
12:15
me
12:15
and
12:15
they
12:15
said,
12:15
we
12:15
want
12:16
you
12:16
to
12:16
do
12:16
this
12:18
music
12:18
video.
12:19
And
12:19
I
12:20
said,
12:20
okay,
12:21
whatever
12:21
that
12:21
is.
12:22
And
12:22
they
12:22
said,
12:23
we're
12:23
going
12:23
to
12:23
shoot
12:23
it
12:23
in
12:23
la.
12:24
And
12:24
I
12:24
said,
12:24
well,
12:24
I'm
12:24
doing
12:25
a
12:25
play
12:26
and
12:27
I
12:27
can't.
12:27
I
12:28
can
12:28
leave
12:29
after
12:29
the
12:29
matinee
12:30
on
12:30
Sunday,
12:30
but
12:31
I
12:31
have
12:31
to
12:31
back
12:31
to
12:31
do
12:32
the
12:32
evening
12:32
show
12:32
on
12:33
Wednesday.
12:33
So
12:33
if
12:33
you
12:33
can
12:33
get
12:34
me
12:34
out
12:34
there
12:34
on
12:34
the
12:34
red
12:35
eye
12:35
on
12:36
Sunday
12:36
night,
12:37
shoot
12:37
it
12:37
on
12:37
Monday
12:38
or
12:38
Tuesday
12:39
and
12:39
get
12:39
me
12:39
back
12:40
here
12:40
so
12:40
I
12:40
can
12:40
do
12:41
my
12:41
evening
12:41
show,
12:42
that's
12:42
fine.
12:42
And
12:42
they
12:43
said,
12:43
we'll
12:43
do
12:43
that.
12:44
And
12:45
I
12:45
got
12:45
on
12:46
a
12:46
plane
12:46
and
12:47
flew
12:47
to
12:47
LA
12:48
and
12:48
slept
12:48
on
12:48
Marty
12:49
Collier's
12:50
couch.
12:50
He
12:50
was
12:50
the
12:51
director.
12:51
He
12:51
directed
12:52
a
12:52
bunch
12:52
of
12:52
HBO
12:53
specials,
12:54
and
12:54
he
12:54
directed
12:55
that
12:56
and
12:56
the
12:57
other
12:57
one,
12:57
too.
12:58
And
12:58
his
12:58
son
12:58
actually
12:59
plays
13:00
my
13:01
son
13:01
in
13:01
the
13:02
first
13:02
video
13:02
when
13:02
I'm
13:03
screaming
13:03
at
13:04
my
13:04
kid
13:05
who's
13:05
not
13:06
downstairs
13:06
eating
13:06
his
13:07
carrots.
13:07
Right.
13:08
Yeah.
13:09
Now,
13:10
these
13:10
iconic
13:10
characters,
13:11
as
13:11
I
13:12
call
13:12
them,
13:13
which
13:13
are
13:13
you
13:13
most
13:14
recognized
13:14
for
13:15
out
13:15
of
13:15
these
13:16
characters,
13:16
Mark?
13:18
I
13:19
suspect
13:19
it's
13:19
probably
13:20
Animal
13:21
House.
13:21
I
13:21
think
13:22
more
13:22
people
13:22
saw
13:23
Animal
13:23
House
13:24
and
13:24
they
13:24
associate
13:25
that
13:25
with.
13:28
With
13:28
the
13:28
Twisted
13:29
Sister.
13:29
I
13:30
think
13:30
probably
13:30
more
13:30
people
13:31
saw
13:31
the
13:31
Twisted
13:32
Sister
13:32
videos
13:33
than
13:34
saw
13:34
Animals,
13:35
because
13:35
it
13:35
played,
13:35
like,
13:36
every
13:36
five
13:36
minutes
13:36
on
13:37
MTV
13:37
for
13:37
a
13:38
while
13:38
there
13:38
and
13:39
even
13:39
played
13:39
in
13:39
the.
13:40
In
13:40
the
13:40
Senate
13:41
when
13:41
Tipper
13:41
Gore
13:42
did
13:42
her
13:42
hearings
13:42
on
13:43
sex
13:43
and
13:43
violence
13:43
and
13:43
rock
13:44
and
13:44
roll.
13:45
Dee
13:45
snider
13:45
went
13:46
in
13:46
to
13:46
talk
13:46
and
13:46
Frank
13:46
Zappa
13:47
went
13:47
in
13:47
to
13:47
talk
13:48
and
13:48
they
13:48
showed
13:48
the
13:48
entirety
13:49
of
13:50
that
13:50
video,
13:50
first
13:51
video
13:51
in
13:52
the
13:52
Senate.
13:52
My
13:52
father
13:53
was
13:53
very
13:53
proud
13:53
that
13:54
my
13:54
work
13:54
was
13:54
in
13:54
the
13:55
Senate
13:55
record
13:55
book.
13:56
Right.
13:56
He
13:56
wasn't.
13:57
He
13:57
wasn't
13:57
proud
13:57
of
13:57
the
13:58
work,
13:58
but
13:58
he
13:58
was
13:58
proud
13:59
that
13:59
it
13:59
was
13:59
in
13:59
the
13:59
Senate
14:00
record
14:00
book.
14:00
Yeah,
14:00
Tipper
14:01
must
14:01
have
14:01
stroked
14:02
out
14:02
when
14:02
she
14:02
saw
14:02
that
14:03
one,
14:03
I
14:03
guess.
14:03
But
14:04
I
14:04
don't
14:05
know.
14:05
I
14:05
don't
14:05
know
14:05
what
14:06
it
14:06
has
14:06
to
14:06
do
14:06
with
14:06
sex
14:07
or
14:07
what
14:07
it
14:07
has
14:07
to
14:08
do
14:08
with
14:08
violence,
14:09
but
14:09
somehow
14:10
he
14:10
made
14:10
it
14:10
in
14:10
there.
14:11
And
14:12
Dee
14:12
was
14:12
very
14:13
eloquent.
14:13
He
14:13
went
14:14
in
14:14
and
14:14
testified
14:15
in
14:15
front
14:15
of
14:16
the
14:16
committee,
14:17
I
14:17
think,
14:18
and
14:18
was
14:19
very
14:19
eloquent
14:20
about
14:21
what
14:21
fools
14:21
these
14:22
mortals
14:22
be.
14:23
He
14:23
did.
14:24
He
14:24
did
14:25
a
14:25
great
14:25
job
14:26
there
14:26
in
14:26
front
14:26
of
14:26
the
14:26
Senate.
14:27
Now
14:27
let's
14:28
get
14:28
to
14:28
the
14:28
book,
14:28
the
14:29
new
14:29
book.
14:29
Tim.
14:29
Tim,
14:30
Timmy,
14:31
lay
14:31
the
14:32
groundwork
14:32
out
14:32
for
14:33
the
14:33
folks.
14:33
Tell
14:33
us
14:34
what
14:34
the
14:34
basis
14:35
for
14:35
the
14:35
book
14:35
is.
14:37
My
14:37
brother's
14:38
name,
14:38
my
14:38
youngest
14:38
brother's
14:39
name
14:39
was
14:39
Tim.
14:40
And
14:41
he,
14:42
when
14:42
he
14:42
was
14:42
46
14:43
years
14:43
old,
14:43
committed
14:44
suicide
14:45
in
14:45
our
14:46
father's
14:46
backyard
14:47
down
14:47
in
14:47
North
14:47
Carolinas
14:48
where
14:48
they,
14:48
my
14:48
mother
14:48
and
14:49
my
14:49
father
14:49
had
14:49
retired
14:51
and
14:51
he'd
14:52
been
14:52
living
14:52
there
14:52
for
14:52
about
14:53
seven
14:53
years,
14:54
suffering
14:54
from
14:54
depression.
14:55
But
14:56
he
14:56
suffered
14:56
from
14:58
some
14:59
undiagnosed
14:59
learning
15:00
disability.
15:01
Dyslexia
15:01
was.
15:02
Was
15:03
very.
15:03
Not
15:04
common,
15:04
but
15:04
a
15:04
lot
15:05
of
15:05
people
15:05
had
15:05
dyslexia,
15:06
but
15:06
it
15:06
went
15:06
unnoticed
15:07
or
15:07
undiagnosed.
15:09
Teachers
15:10
in
15:10
grade
15:11
school
15:11
just
15:11
thought
15:12
the
15:12
student
15:12
was
15:13
slow
15:14
or
15:14
dumb
15:15
and
15:15
didn't
15:16
just
15:16
let
15:16
them
15:16
drift
15:17
to
15:17
the
15:17
side.
15:19
It
15:19
was
15:19
never
15:20
diagnosed
15:20
in
15:20
Tim,
15:21
but
15:21
I
15:22
suspect
15:22
because
15:22
he
15:22
was
15:23
very,
15:23
very
15:23
smart.
15:25
Brain,
15:26
really
15:26
brain
15:26
that
15:27
worked
15:27
really
15:27
well,
15:28
especially
15:29
as
15:29
he
15:29
got
15:29
older,
15:30
but
15:30
he
15:30
always
15:31
had
15:31
trouble
15:31
reading
15:32
and
15:32
writing.
15:33
And
15:33
he
15:34
may
15:34
well
15:34
have
15:34
been
15:35
diagnosed
15:36
on
15:36
the
15:36
autism
15:37
spectrum
15:37
if
15:38
people
15:38
had
15:38
been
15:38
doing
15:39
that
15:39
in
15:40
the
15:40
middle
15:40
of
15:40
the
15:40
country
15:40
in
15:40
the
15:41
middle
15:41
of
15:41
the
15:41
last
15:41
century,
15:42
but
15:43
they
15:43
didn't
15:43
have
15:43
the
15:44
people
15:44
didn't
15:44
have
15:44
the
15:44
language.
15:45
It
15:45
wasn't.
15:46
It
15:46
wasn't.
15:47
It
15:47
just
15:47
wasn't
15:48
part
15:48
of
15:48
the
15:48
culture.
15:49
The
15:49
world
15:50
was
15:50
in
15:50
the
15:50
50s
15:51
and
15:51
60s
15:52
in
15:52
the
15:52
United
15:52
States,
15:53
especially
15:53
in
15:53
the
15:53
middle
15:54
of
15:54
the
15:54
country.
15:56
The
15:57
world
15:57
was
15:57
perfect.
15:58
Everything
15:58
was
15:59
just
15:59
the
16:00
way
16:00
it's
16:00
supposed
16:00
to
16:00
be.
16:01
There
16:01
was
16:01
nothing
16:02
wrong.
16:02
So
16:03
somebody
16:03
who
16:04
had
16:04
trouble
16:05
with
16:05
their
16:05
peers
16:06
in
16:06
grade
16:07
school
16:07
or
16:07
somebody
16:08
had
16:08
trouble
16:08
learning
16:09
to
16:09
read
16:09
or
16:09
write,
16:10
as
16:10
my
16:11
father
16:11
said
16:12
and
16:12
my
16:12
mother
16:12
said
16:13
also,
16:13
it's
16:14
just
16:14
a
16:14
phase.
16:14
He'll
16:15
get
16:15
over
16:15
it.
16:15
My
16:16
father
16:16
said
16:16
that
16:16
right
16:16
up
16:17
until
16:17
the
16:17
day
16:18
my
16:18
brother
16:18
went
16:19
out
16:19
in
16:19
the
16:19
backyard
16:19
with
16:20
a
16:20
gun
16:20
and
16:21
stuck
16:21
it
16:21
next
16:22
to
16:22
his
16:22
back,
16:23
right
16:23
behind
16:23
his
16:23
right
16:23
ear
16:24
and
16:25
what?
16:25
A
16:25
bullet
16:26
in
16:26
his
16:26
head.
16:28
Received
16:29
no
16:29
help.
16:29
Then,
16:29
Mark.
16:30
He
16:30
received
16:31
no
16:31
help.
16:31
Say
16:31
that
16:31
again.
16:32
He
16:32
received
16:32
no
16:33
help
16:33
at
16:33
all,
16:33
Tim.
16:35
He
16:35
received
16:35
no
16:36
help
16:36
at
16:36
all,
16:36
no
16:37
notice,
16:37
no
16:37
help.
16:37
The
16:38
last
16:38
seven
16:38
years.
16:39
He
16:39
did
16:40
because
16:40
he
16:41
had
16:41
a
16:42
suicide
16:43
attempt
16:43
when
16:43
he
16:44
was
16:44
living
16:44
in
16:44
New
16:44
York
16:45
near
16:45
me
16:45
that
16:46
I.
16:46
That
16:46
I
16:46
detail
16:47
in
16:47
the
16:47
book.
16:48
And
16:49
he
16:49
spent
16:49
60
16:49
days
16:50
in
16:50
Bellevue,
16:52
which
16:52
is
16:53
in
16:53
the
16:53
mental
16:53
ward
16:53
at
16:53
Bellevue
16:54
Hospital
16:54
in
16:54
New
16:55
York,
16:55
which
16:55
is
16:55
what
16:56
you
16:56
do
16:56
if
16:56
you
16:56
threaten
16:57
a
16:57
police
16:57
officer.
16:58
He
16:58
went
16:58
into
16:59
Fifth
16:59
Piece
17:00
Precinct,
17:00
which
17:00
is,
17:00
I
17:00
think,
17:01
the
17:01
one
17:01
they
17:01
use
17:01
for
17:02
Hill
17:03
Street.
17:03
Not
17:03
Hill
17:03
Street
17:03
Blues,
17:04
but
17:04
NYPD
17:05
Blue.
17:05
Okay.
17:06
Yeah.
17:06
And
17:06
he
17:07
said,
17:07
somebody
17:08
beat
17:08
me
17:08
up.
17:09
Stop
17:09
me
17:09
because
17:09
I'm
17:09
going
17:10
to
17:10
hurt
17:10
someone
17:10
or
17:11
else
17:11
hurt
17:11
myself.
17:12
And
17:12
if
17:12
you
17:12
do
17:12
that,
17:13
then
17:13
you
17:13
have
17:13
to
17:13
spend
17:14
14
17:14
days.
17:14
But
17:14
he
17:15
was
17:15
so
17:17
angry
17:18
and
17:18
upset
17:19
that
17:20
they
17:20
wouldn't
17:21
let
17:21
him
17:21
out
17:21
for
17:21
60
17:22
days
17:22
until
17:22
my
17:22
parents
17:23
took
17:24
him
17:24
out
17:24
into
17:24
their
17:25
custody.
17:25
But
17:25
not
17:26
knowing
17:27
what
17:27
they
17:27
were
17:27
dealing
17:28
with,
17:28
he
17:28
lived
17:29
at
17:29
home
17:29
with
17:29
them,
17:30
medicated
17:31
with
17:31
Thorazine,
17:31
which
17:32
really
17:32
just
17:32
sort
17:32
of
17:33
calms
17:33
you
17:33
down
17:35
for
17:35
six,
17:36
seven
17:36
years
17:37
until
17:37
he
17:37
find
17:38
lady.
17:39
My
17:39
mother
17:40
died
17:40
and
17:41
he
17:41
was
17:41
left
17:41
alone
17:42
with
17:42
my
17:42
father.
17:43
And
17:43
he
17:43
thought
17:43
of
17:44
himself
17:45
as
17:45
a
17:45
bit
17:45
of
17:46
a
17:46
burden
17:46
to
17:46
my
17:46
father
17:47
as
17:47
my
17:47
father
17:48
tried
17:49
to
17:49
figure
17:49
out
17:49
how
17:49
to
17:49
mourn
17:50
and
17:50
grieve
17:51
his
17:51
wife
17:51
of
17:52
54
17:52
years.
17:53
And
17:55
he
17:56
finally.
17:57
My
17:58
brother
17:58
just
17:58
finally
17:58
went
17:58
on
17:59
the
17:59
back.
17:59
The
17:59
book's
18:00
called
18:00
Tim,
18:00
Tim,
18:00
Tim,
18:01
Timmy,
18:01
because
18:01
my
18:01
son
18:03
was
18:04
diagnosed
18:05
at
18:05
a
18:06
young
18:06
age
18:07
as
18:09
being.
18:09
Now
18:10
they
18:10
call
18:10
it
18:10
neurodiverse.
18:11
It
18:11
was
18:12
called
18:12
on
18:12
the
18:13
Spectrum
18:13
for
18:13
a
18:13
while,
18:14
but
18:14
it
18:14
was
18:14
when
18:14
he
18:14
was
18:15
diagnosed,
18:15
it
18:15
was
18:15
called
18:16
Asperger's
18:16
syndrome,
18:18
which
18:19
manifests
18:20
as
18:21
difficulty,
18:22
high
18:22
anxiety,
18:23
difficulty
18:23
in
18:24
social
18:24
situations,
18:25
not
18:25
being
18:26
able
18:26
to
18:26
read
18:26
what
18:26
another
18:27
person
18:28
intuitively
18:29
read,
18:29
understand
18:30
what
18:30
another
18:30
person
18:31
is
18:31
feeling
18:31
or
18:31
thinking
18:32
or
18:32
saying,
18:33
what
18:33
they
18:33
mean
18:34
by
18:34
that.
18:35
But
18:35
my
18:36
son
18:36
got
18:37
a
18:37
lot
18:37
of
18:37
attention
18:37
for
18:38
it.
18:38
He
18:38
also
18:38
was
18:38
diagnosed
18:39
with
18:39
dyslexia.
18:40
And
18:40
he
18:41
went
18:41
on
18:41
a
18:41
pro.
18:41
We
18:41
got
18:42
him
18:42
on
18:42
a
18:42
program
18:42
called
18:43
Orton
18:43
Gillingham,
18:44
which
18:44
teaches.
18:45
It
18:45
was
18:45
a
18:45
brilliant
18:46
program
18:46
which
18:47
teaches
18:48
anybody
18:48
who
18:48
has
18:49
trouble
18:49
reading
18:50
how
18:50
to
18:50
read.
18:50
Because
18:51
everybody's
18:51
brain
18:52
functions
18:53
a
18:53
little
18:53
bit
18:53
differently.
18:54
We
18:54
now
18:55
know
18:55
this.
18:56
Some
18:56
people
18:56
know
18:56
this.
18:57
We
18:58
now
18:58
understand
18:58
that
18:59
there
18:59
are
18:59
differences
18:59
in
19:00
the
19:00
way
19:00
people's
19:01
body
19:01
chemistries
19:02
work
19:02
so
19:03
that
19:03
they
19:04
understand
19:05
the
19:05
world
19:05
in
19:05
a
19:06
different
19:06
way.
19:06
And
19:07
we're
19:07
beginning
19:07
to
19:08
make
19:08
more
19:09
accommodations
19:10
for
19:10
them.
19:11
Understand
19:11
that
19:12
differences
19:13
are
19:14
actually
19:14
a
19:15
positive
19:15
thing.
19:16
In
19:16
fact,
19:16
there's
19:16
some
19:17
science
19:17
that
19:17
says
19:17
that
19:18
people
19:18
on
19:18
the
19:18
spectrum
19:19
are
19:20
actually
19:20
a
19:20
step
19:21
forward,
19:22
a
19:22
leap
19:22
forward
19:23
in
19:24
evolution.
19:24
Much
19:24
the
19:25
way
19:25
CRO
19:25
Magnon
19:25
was
19:26
over
19:26
Neanderthal
19:27
in
19:27
that
19:28
the
19:29
brain
19:29
is
19:29
just
19:29
working
19:30
faster,
19:31
working
19:32
better.
19:33
But
19:34
anyway,
19:34
my
19:34
son
19:34
received
19:35
a
19:35
lot
19:35
of
19:35
attention
19:36
and
19:36
a
19:36
lot
19:36
of
19:37
help,
19:40
pharmaceutical
19:40
help
19:41
and
19:41
talk
19:42
therapy
19:42
help
19:43
and
19:43
understanding
19:45
and
19:46
special
19:47
aids,
19:47
special.
19:48
What
19:48
do
19:48
they
19:48
call
19:48
it?
19:50
Special
19:51
education
19:52
classes
19:52
in
19:53
grade
19:53
school
19:53
and
19:54
through
19:54
high
19:54
school,
19:55
and
19:55
even
19:55
had
19:55
accommodations
19:56
because
19:56
of
19:56
the
19:57
dyslexia,
19:57
which
19:57
slows
19:58
everything
19:58
down,
19:59
reading
19:59
and
19:59
writing,
20:00
while.
20:00
Even
20:01
through
20:01
college.
20:02
But
20:02
now
20:02
he's
20:03
got
20:03
a
20:05
bachelor
20:05
of
20:05
Science
20:06
degree
20:06
in
20:06
wildlife
20:07
biology
20:07
from
20:07
the
20:07
University
20:08
of
20:08
Montana,
20:09
a
20:09
master's
20:10
degree
20:10
in
20:10
environment
20:11
and
20:11
Natural
20:11
Resources
20:12
from
20:12
the
20:12
Ohio
20:12
State
20:13
University,
20:13
and
20:14
a
20:14
law
20:14
degree
20:14
from
20:15
the
20:15
Lewis
20:15
and
20:15
Clark
20:16
Law
20:16
School.
20:16
And
20:17
he's
20:17
working.
20:17
Been
20:18
working
20:18
for
20:18
the
20:18
last
20:18
year
20:19
as
20:19
a
20:19
lawyer
20:20
for
20:20
the
20:20
state
20:20
of
20:20
Hawaii
20:21
in
20:21
Honolulu.
20:22
That
20:22
is
20:22
amazing.
20:23
Yeah,
20:24
that's
20:24
wonderful.
20:24
So
20:25
he's
20:25
thrived.
20:26
And
20:27
the
20:27
purpose
20:27
of
20:28
the
20:28
book,
20:28
really,
20:29
besides
20:30
being,
20:30
for
20:31
me,
20:31
a
20:31
way
20:31
of
20:31
mourning
20:32
or
20:32
grieving
20:33
my
20:33
brother,
20:34
who
20:35
I
20:35
was
20:35
unable
20:36
to
20:36
help
20:37
because
20:37
I
20:38
didn't
20:38
know,
20:39
and
20:39
even
20:39
when
20:39
I
20:40
was
20:40
able
20:40
to
20:40
help,
20:40
I
20:41
didn't
20:41
know
20:41
enough.
20:44
Is.
20:44
To
20:44
parallel
20:45
that
20:45
with
20:46
my
20:46
son
20:47
and
20:48
to
20:48
be
20:48
a
20:49
rallying
20:49
cry
20:49
for
20:50
people
20:50
to
20:50
pay
20:51
attention
20:51
to
20:51
your
20:51
children,
20:52
listen
20:52
to
20:52
them.
20:53
Don't
20:54
let
20:55
them
20:55
be
20:55
shuttled
20:55
off
20:56
into
20:56
a
20:56
corner
20:56
if
20:57
they're
20:57
slow
20:57
to
20:58
learn,
20:58
because
20:59
there
21:00
are.
21:00
There
21:00
are
21:01
aids,
21:01
there
21:01
are
21:01
help,
21:02
there's
21:02
science
21:02
out
21:03
there
21:04
that
21:04
can
21:05
make
21:05
life
21:05
easier.
21:06
If
21:06
you're
21:07
ADHD
21:08
people,
21:08
you're
21:09
ocd.
21:10
If
21:11
you're
21:11
a
21:12
neurodiverse,
21:13
finally,
21:13
awareness.
21:13
Anyways.
21:14
Yeah,
21:15
that's
21:15
my
21:15
soapbox.
21:16
Yeah.
21:16
Yeah.
21:17
Trying
21:17
to
21:17
make
21:17
people.
21:18
It's
21:18
my.
21:19
My
21:19
way
21:19
of
21:19
telling
21:20
my
21:20
brother's
21:21
story
21:21
as
21:21
it's
21:21
entwined
21:22
with
21:22
my
21:22
life
21:23
story,
21:24
because
21:24
as
21:24
he
21:25
was
21:25
going
21:25
down
21:26
the
21:26
rabbit
21:26
hole,
21:28
I
21:29
was
21:29
living
21:29
in
21:29
New
21:29
York,
21:30
but
21:30
I
21:30
was
21:30
getting
21:31
more
21:31
success
21:32
as
21:32
an
21:32
actor.
21:33
And
21:35
he
21:36
ended
21:36
up
21:36
when
21:37
he
21:37
was
21:37
in
21:37
New
21:38
York,
21:38
living
21:39
in
21:39
New
21:39
York
21:39
near
21:40
me
21:41
down
21:41
on
21:41
Fifth
21:41
Street.
21:43
He
21:43
was
21:43
working
21:44
in
21:44
the
21:44
theater,
21:44
too.
21:45
Not
21:45
as
21:46
a
21:46
professional
21:46
actor,
21:47
but
21:47
he
21:48
built
21:48
a
21:48
theater
21:48
company
21:49
around
21:50
he
21:50
and
21:50
a
21:50
couple
21:51
of
21:51
friends
21:51
who
21:51
had
21:51
come
21:52
down
21:52
from
21:52
Martha's
21:53
Vineyard,
21:53
and
21:54
they
21:54
actually
21:54
built
21:56
a
21:56
theater
21:57
for
21:57
themselves,
21:57
a
21:58
bricks
21:58
and
21:58
mortar
21:58
theater
21:59
for
21:59
themselves,
22:00
and
22:00
called
22:00
the
22:01
People's
22:01
Playhouse
22:02
on
22:02
Fourth
22:02
Street,
22:03
East
22:04
Fourth
22:04
Street.
22:05
And
22:07
I
22:07
got
22:07
to
22:07
know
22:07
him
22:08
better
22:08
then
22:08
I
22:08
got
22:08
to
22:09
be
22:09
closer
22:09
to
22:09
him
22:10
in
22:10
those
22:10
last
22:10
years
22:11
there,
22:12
as
22:12
well
22:12
as
22:12
the
22:13
last
22:13
seven
22:14
years
22:14
when
22:14
he
22:14
was
22:14
down
22:14
with
22:15
my
22:15
mom
22:15
and
22:15
dad.
22:16
Now,
22:16
that's
22:16
something
22:16
to
22:17
be
22:17
thankful
22:17
for.
22:17
Mark
22:18
Metcalf
22:19
with
22:19
us
22:19
tonight
22:20
on
22:21
Sports
22:21
Talk
22:21
New
22:21
York.
22:22
Now,
22:22
suicide,
22:23
Mark,
22:23
that.
22:24
That's
22:24
one
22:24
of
22:24
the
22:24
hardest
22:25
of
22:26
all
22:26
losses
22:27
to
22:27
grieve.
22:27
Do
22:27
you
22:28
agree?
22:29
Oh,
22:29
yeah.
22:31
There's
22:31
no
22:32
way
22:33
that
22:33
I've
22:33
found
22:34
to
22:35
understand
22:35
the
22:36
absolute
22:37
necessity
22:38
for
22:38
it.
22:38
And
22:39
there's
22:39
no
22:39
way
22:39
to
22:40
take
22:40
yourself,
22:41
the
22:42
survivor,
22:42
out
22:42
of
22:43
the
22:43
equation
22:43
and
22:43
not
22:44
say
22:44
in
22:44
some
22:44
way,
22:46
what
22:46
could
22:46
I
22:46
have
22:46
done?
22:47
What
22:47
did
22:47
I
22:48
miss?
22:48
What
22:48
did
22:49
I
22:49
not
22:49
hear?
22:50
How
22:51
did.
22:52
It's
22:53
very.
22:53
I
22:53
find
22:54
it
22:54
impossible
22:55
to
22:55
do
22:55
that.
22:55
I
22:56
think
22:56
it
22:56
probably
22:56
is
22:56
for
22:56
most
22:57
people
22:57
who've
22:57
suffered.
22:58
Yeah.
22:58
No,
22:58
it's
22:59
a
22:59
loss.
22:59
And
23:00
we
23:00
know
23:01
a
23:01
lot
23:01
about
23:01
how
23:01
the
23:02
human
23:02
mind
23:02
works,
23:02
and
23:03
as
23:03
I
23:03
said
23:03
before,
23:04
we're
23:04
knowing
23:04
more
23:04
and
23:04
more
23:04
about
23:05
how
23:05
the
23:06
body's
23:06
chemistry
23:07
affects
23:07
the
23:07
mind,
23:08
the
23:08
electrical
23:08
circuits
23:09
in
23:09
the
23:09
brain,
23:09
how
23:09
they
23:10
work
23:10
and
23:10
don't
23:10
work
23:11
sometimes.
23:12
We
23:12
know
23:12
a
23:12
lot
23:12
more
23:13
about
23:13
the
23:13
brain,
23:14
but
23:14
we
23:14
don't
23:14
know
23:16
everything,
23:16
and
23:17
we
23:17
can't
23:17
save
23:18
everybody,
23:18
and
23:19
we
23:19
can't.
23:20
We
23:20
don't
23:21
understand
23:21
necessarily
23:22
how
23:22
people
23:23
make
23:23
connections
23:24
and
23:24
when
23:24
they
23:24
don't,
23:25
what
23:25
it
23:25
costs
23:25
them.
23:26
And
23:26
a
23:27
lot
23:27
of
23:28
suicides
23:28
are
23:29
really
23:29
unnecessary.
23:31
And
23:31
I
23:32
think
23:32
my
23:32
brother's
23:32
was.
23:33
I
23:33
think
23:33
he
23:33
could
23:33
have.
23:33
He
23:33
was.
23:34
He
23:34
was
23:34
so
23:35
smart
23:35
when
23:35
he
23:35
really
23:36
tried
23:36
to
23:36
finally
23:36
figure
23:37
out
23:37
what
23:37
it
23:37
is
23:37
he
23:38
loved.
23:39
And
23:39
he
23:39
loved
23:40
Shakespeare.
23:41
He
23:42
was
23:42
really,
23:42
really
23:43
smart
23:43
about
23:44
Shakespeare
23:44
and
23:44
about
23:45
Shakespeare
23:46
in
23:46
the
23:46
theater.
23:47
He
23:47
was,
23:47
you
23:47
know,
23:49
a
23:49
good
23:49
actor,
23:50
a
23:50
good
23:50
director,
23:50
and
23:51
just
23:51
a
23:51
good
23:51
scholar
23:53
of
23:53
Shakespeare
23:54
in
23:54
his.
23:54
In
23:55
his
23:55
years
23:55
when
23:55
he
23:56
was
23:56
working
23:56
in
23:56
New
23:56
York
23:57
and
23:57
running
23:57
this
23:57
and
23:57
trying.
23:58
Helping
23:58
run
23:58
this
23:58
theater.
23:59
The
24:00
Bard
24:00
is
24:00
not
24:01
easy
24:01
to
24:01
understand,
24:02
Mark,
24:02
either.
24:03
No,
24:05
I've
24:06
done
24:06
a
24:06
lot
24:06
of
24:06
Shakespeare,
24:07
and
24:07
it
24:08
isn't
24:08
easy
24:08
to
24:08
understand.
24:09
It's
24:10
surprising,
24:11
though,
24:11
if
24:11
you
24:11
find
24:12
where
24:12
the
24:12
music
24:12
is
24:13
in
24:13
the
24:13
language,
24:14
where
24:15
just
24:15
the
24:15
sounds
24:16
of
24:16
it.
24:16
I
24:16
knew
24:17
Raoul
24:17
Julia
24:18
pretty
24:18
well,
24:18
who
24:18
you
24:18
may
24:19
remember,
24:19
he
24:20
was
24:21
Mr.
24:21
Adams
24:21
in
24:21
the
24:22
Adams
24:22
Family,
24:22
but
24:22
he
24:23
was
24:23
a
24:23
really
24:23
brilliant
24:24
Shakespearean
24:25
actor
24:25
in
24:26
the
24:26
park
24:26
in
24:27
New
24:27
York
24:28
and
24:29
on
24:29
Broadway,
24:30
and
24:31
he
24:31
was
24:31
Puerto
24:32
Rican.
24:33
And
24:33
I
24:34
said,
24:34
so
24:35
how
24:35
do
24:35
you
24:36
learn
24:37
Shakespeare?
24:38
How
24:38
is
24:38
it
24:38
from.
24:39
Since
24:41
your
24:41
native
24:41
language
24:42
is
24:42
Spanish,
24:44
excuse
24:44
me,
24:45
how
24:45
is
24:46
it
24:46
for
24:46
you?
24:46
And
24:46
he
24:46
said,
24:47
I
24:48
don't
24:48
really
24:48
understand
24:49
what
24:49
I'm
24:49
saying.
24:50
I
24:50
just
24:50
try
24:51
to
24:51
make
24:51
the
24:51
sounds,
24:52
and
24:52
I
24:52
feel
24:53
for
24:53
the
24:53
music
24:53
of
24:54
it.
24:54
And
24:55
I
24:55
think
24:55
he
24:55
was
24:55
pulling
24:56
my
24:56
leg
24:56
a
24:56
little
24:56
bit.
24:57
I
24:57
think
24:57
he
24:57
did
24:58
know
24:58
more
24:58
than
24:59
he
24:59
maybe
24:59
was
25:00
willing
25:00
to
25:00
admit.
25:01
It
25:01
made
25:01
a
25:01
good
25:01
story
25:02
that
25:02
he
25:02
didn't
25:02
know
25:02
what
25:02
he
25:03
was
25:03
saying.
25:04
But
25:04
if
25:04
you
25:04
find
25:05
the
25:05
music
25:05
in
25:05
it,
25:06
and
25:06
there's
25:06
a
25:06
whole
25:07
school
25:07
of
25:07
teaching
25:08
Shakespeare
25:09
where
25:10
you
25:10
just
25:10
find
25:10
the
25:11
music,
25:11
find
25:11
the
25:12
sounds
25:13
and
25:13
say
25:13
it,
25:13
and
25:14
people
25:14
get
25:14
it.
25:14
I
25:15
mean,
25:15
I've
25:15
done
25:15
the
25:16
Tempest,
25:16
which
25:16
is
25:17
not
25:18
a
25:18
children's
25:18
play.
25:20
A
25:20
wonderful
25:21
play
25:21
with
25:22
some
25:22
great
25:22
comedy
25:23
in
25:23
it.
25:23
Some
25:23
of
25:24
it
25:24
is
25:24
physical
25:24
comedy,
25:25
but
25:25
a
25:25
lot
25:25
of
25:25
it
25:27
is
25:28
verbal,
25:29
textual
25:29
comedy.
25:30
I've
25:30
done
25:30
it
25:30
in
25:31
front
25:31
of
25:31
kids
25:32
who
25:32
laugh
25:32
their
25:33
heads
25:33
off
25:34
because
25:34
if
25:34
you
25:34
do
25:35
it
25:35
right,
25:36
they
25:37
understand
25:38
the
25:38
emotion
25:40
and
25:40
that's
25:40
really
25:41
where
25:41
the
25:41
laughter
25:42
comes
25:42
from.
25:42
Interesting.
25:43
Very
25:43
interesting.
25:44
Mark,
25:45
how
25:45
can
25:45
people
25:46
get
25:46
a
25:46
copy
25:46
of
25:46
Tim
25:47
Tim
25:47
Timmy,
25:47
a
25:48
very
25:48
important
25:48
book,
25:49
a
25:49
rallying
25:50
cry
25:50
for
25:51
anyone
25:51
may
25:51
have
25:51
a
25:52
family
25:52
member
25:53
or
25:53
a
25:53
loved
25:54
one
25:54
that's
25:54
struggling.
25:55
Amazon.
25:57
Amazon,
25:58
yes,
25:58
it's
25:59
on
25:59
Amazon.
26:00
They
26:00
do
26:00
it
26:00
as.
26:01
What
26:01
do
26:01
they
26:01
call
26:01
it?
26:02
They
26:03
print
26:03
on
26:03
demand.
26:04
So
26:04
if
26:04
you
26:04
order
26:05
it,
26:05
you'll
26:05
get
26:05
it
26:05
in,
26:06
I
26:06
think
26:06
two.
26:06
Well,
26:07
right
26:07
now
26:07
I
26:07
think
26:07
because
26:08
of
26:08
Christmas,
26:08
you'll
26:08
get
26:08
it
26:09
after
26:10
Christmas,
26:10
but
26:10
ordinarily
26:11
you
26:11
get
26:11
it
26:11
in
26:11
two
26:12
to
26:12
three
26:12
days
26:13
on
26:13
Amazon.
26:14
It's
26:14
also
26:15
on
26:15
Barnes
26:15
and
26:15
Noble
26:16
website.
26:16
It's
26:17
not
26:17
stocked
26:18
in
26:18
stock
26:19
at
26:19
Barnes
26:19
and
26:19
Noble
26:20
yet.
26:21
It
26:21
will
26:21
be,
26:21
I'm
26:23
told,
26:23
if
26:24
once
26:24
there's
26:25
a
26:25
little
26:25
bit
26:25
more
26:25
demand.
26:26
And
26:27
if
26:27
you
26:27
go
26:27
to
26:28
your
26:28
own
26:29
local
26:29
bookstore
26:30
and
26:31
ask
26:31
them
26:31
for
26:31
it,
26:32
it's
26:32
now
26:32
there's
26:33
an
26:33
IMBD
26:33
number.
26:34
I
26:34
said,
26:34
what's
26:35
it
26:35
called?
26:35
I'm
26:35
not.
26:35
I
26:36
am
26:37
bns,
26:37
whatever
26:38
that
26:38
number
26:38
is.
26:38
Right.
26:39
And
26:39
Tim
26:40
Timmy,
26:40
it's,
26:40
it's,
26:41
it's
26:41
copyrighted,
26:42
it's
26:42
registered.
26:43
So
26:44
your
26:44
local
26:44
book
26:45
store
26:46
can
26:46
order
26:46
it
26:47
for
26:47
you
26:48
if
26:48
you
26:48
want
26:48
to.
26:49
Outstanding.
26:49
And
26:50
I
26:50
recommend
26:50
that.
26:51
And
26:51
if
26:52
I
26:52
bump
26:52
into
26:52
you
26:53
ever
26:53
on
26:53
the
26:53
street
26:54
somewhere
26:54
else
26:55
and
26:55
you
26:55
have
26:55
a
26:55
copy,
26:56
I'll
26:56
be
26:56
happy
26:57
to
26:57
sign
26:57
it.
26:57
I
26:58
will
26:58
look
26:58
for
26:58
you,
26:58
Mark.
26:59
That
26:59
is
26:59
for
26:59
sure.
27:00
Now,
27:00
it's
27:01
been
27:01
a
27:01
pleasure
27:01
having
27:02
you
27:02
with
27:02
us.
27:02
I
27:02
thank
27:03
you
27:03
for
27:03
taking
27:04
time.
27:05
Thanks
27:05
a
27:05
lot
27:05
for
27:06
giving
27:06
me
27:06
the
27:06
platform
27:07
about
27:07
my
27:07
book
27:08
and
27:08
for
27:08
having
27:09
good
27:09
questions
27:09
about
27:10
my
27:11
career.
27:12
We
27:13
wish
27:13
you
27:13
the
27:13
best
27:13
of
27:14
luck
27:14
with
27:14
this
27:14
poignant
27:15
book.
27:15
Tim
27:15
Tim
27:15
Timmy,
27:16
folks.
27:17
Available
27:17
right
27:17
now
27:18
on
27:18
Amazon,
27:19
Barnes
27:19
and
27:19
Noble.
27:20
Thanks
27:20
again,
27:20
Mark.
27:21
We
27:21
wish
27:21
you
27:21
all
27:21
the
27:22
best.
27:23
Oh,
27:23
and
27:23
also
27:23
it'll
27:24
be
27:24
available
27:24
as
27:24
an
27:25
e
27:25
book
27:25
in
27:25
about
27:26
three
27:26
weeks,
27:26
I
27:26
think.
27:27
Sorry.
27:27
On
27:28
lots
27:28
of
27:28
different
27:28
platforms,
27:29
wherever
27:29
there
27:29
are
27:29
ebooks.
27:30
Outstanding.
27:31
Well,
27:31
Mark,
27:32
thanks
27:32
again
27:33
and
27:33
we'll
27:34
talk
27:34
to
27:34
you
27:34
soon.
27:35
That's
27:35
Mark
27:36
Metcalf,
27:36
ladies
27:37
and
27:37
gentlemen.
27:37
Up
27:37
next
27:38
on
27:38
Sports
27:39
Talk
27:39
New
27:39
York,
27:40
we
27:40
welcome
27:40
in
27:41
author
27:41
John
27:41
Hollinger.
27:42
He's
27:43
co
27:43
written
27:43
a
27:43
book
27:44
on
27:44
the
27:45
100
27:45
Greatest
27:46
Basketball
27:46
Players
27:47
of
27:47
all
27:48
time.
27:48
Stay
27:49
with
27:49
us,
27:49
folks.
28:03
You
28:03
are
28:03
listening
28:04
to
28:04
Sports
28:04
Talk
28:05
New
28:05
York.
28:05
Tune
28:06
in
28:06
every
28:06
Sunday
28:06
night
28:07
at
28:07
8pm.
28:07
On
28:07
Long
28:07
Island's
28:08
WGB
28:09
broadcasting
28:10
on
28:10
95.9.
28:11
FM
28:11
and
28:12
12:40am
28:13
or
28:13
listen
28:14
live
28:14
online.
28:14
At
28:14
wgbbradio.com
28:18
stay
28:18
connected
28:19
to
28:19
sports
28:19
Talk.
28:19
New
28:20
York
28:20
on
28:20
WGBB
28:21
by
28:21
following
28:21
us.
28:22
On
28:22
Facebook,
28:22
Twitter
28:23
and
28:23
Instagram
28:24
at
28:25
WGB
28:26
Sports
28:26
Talk.
28:30
You're
28:30
listening
28:30
to
28:31
Sports
28:31
Talk
28:31
New
28:32
York.
28:32
On
28:32
Long
28:33
Island's
28:33
wgbb.
28:35
And
28:35
now
28:36
back
28:37
to
28:37
the
28:37
show.
28:43
We
28:43
are
28:43
back
28:44
with
28:45
Sports
28:45
Talk
28:45
New
28:45
York
28:46
on
28:46
WGB
28:47
AM
28:47
FM
28:49
radio
28:49
live
28:49
from
28:50
beautiful
28:50
downtown
28:51
Merrick,
28:52
Long
28:52
Island,
28:52
New
28:52
York.
28:53
But
28:53
we're
28:54
deep
28:54
into
28:54
the
28:54
holiday
28:55
season,
28:55
folks,
28:56
and
28:56
I
28:57
get
28:57
to
28:57
see
28:57
all
28:57
the
28:58
lights
28:58
on
28:58
the
28:58
way
28:58
to
28:59
the
28:59
station
28:59
and
29:00
always
29:01
calm,
29:01
always
29:02
bright,
29:02
always
29:03
happy
29:04
this
29:04
time
29:04
of
29:04
year
29:05
to
29:05
see
29:06
all
29:06
the
29:06
lights
29:06
and
29:07
what
29:07
they
29:07
represent.
29:08
It
29:09
is
29:09
eight
29:09
days
29:10
until
29:11
Festivus
29:11
for
29:11
those
29:12
who
29:12
celebrate.
29:13
And
29:13
I
29:14
hope
29:14
you
29:14
guys
29:14
had
29:14
a
29:14
great
29:15
Sunday
29:16
and
29:16
that
29:16
you're
29:16
enjoying
29:17
the
29:17
show
29:17
tonight.
29:18
And
29:19
we're
29:19
going
29:19
to
29:19
continue
29:19
our
29:20
next
29:20
guest,
29:21
he
29:21
is
29:21
a
29:22
senior
29:22
writer
29:22
for
29:22
the
29:23
Athletic.
29:23
For
29:24
the
29:24
past
29:24
two
29:24
decades
29:25
he
29:25
has
29:25
been
29:25
at
29:26
the
29:26
forefront
29:27
of
29:27
basketball
29:28
statistical
29:28
revolution,
29:30
inventing
29:30
several
29:31
advanced
29:31
metrics,
29:32
including
29:33
PER.
29:35
In
29:35
addition
29:36
to
29:36
stints@espn.com
29:38
and
29:38
SI.com
29:40
he
29:40
also
29:40
spent
29:41
seventh
29:41
season
29:42
as
29:42
the
29:42
Memphis
29:43
Grizzlies
29:44
vice
29:44
president
29:45
of
29:45
basketball
29:46
operations.
29:47
In
29:47
2018,
29:48
he
29:48
received
29:49
the
29:49
lifetime
29:49
achievement
29:50
award
29:50
at
29:51
the
29:51
Sloan
29:51
Sports
29:52
Analytics
29:53
Conference.
29:53
His
29:54
latest
29:54
work
29:54
is
29:55
what
29:55
we're
29:55
going
29:55
to
29:55
discuss
29:56
and
29:56
it's
29:56
titled
29:57
the
29:57
Basketball
29:58
100
29:59
the
29:59
Story
30:00
of
30:00
the
30:00
Greatest
30:00
Players
30:01
in
30:01
NBA
30:02
History.
30:02
I
30:03
welcome
30:03
to
30:03
Sports
30:04
Talk
30:04
New
30:04
York
30:05
tonight,
30:05
John
30:06
Hollinger.
30:06
John,
30:07
good
30:07
evening.
30:08
Good
30:08
evening.
30:09
Thank
30:09
you
30:09
for
30:09
having
30:10
me
30:10
on
30:10
the
30:10
show.
30:11
No
30:11
problem.
30:11
It's
30:12
great
30:12
to
30:12
have
30:12
you
30:12
with
30:13
us.
30:13
Now,
30:13
the
30:14
Basketball
30:14
100,
30:15
of
30:15
course,
30:16
edited
30:16
by
30:17
David
30:17
Aldridge
30:18
and
30:18
yourself.
30:20
It
30:20
really
30:21
answers
30:21
the
30:21
toughest,
30:22
most
30:22
important
30:23
questions
30:23
that
30:23
we
30:24
have.
30:24
Should
30:25
we
30:25
weight
30:26
championship
30:26
rings
30:27
versus
30:28
statistical
30:29
profiles
30:30
versus
30:31
the
30:31
eye
30:31
test?
30:32
Talk
30:32
a
30:33
little
30:33
bit
30:33
about
30:33
that
30:33
for
30:34
us?
30:34
John
30:36
well,
30:36
we
30:36
talked
30:37
about
30:37
that
30:37
a
30:38
lot
30:38
internally
30:38
and
30:39
you'll
30:39
be
30:39
shocked
30:40
to
30:40
know
30:40
that
30:40
not
30:40
everyone
30:41
agrees.
30:43
So
30:44
yeah,
30:46
we
30:46
had
30:46
a
30:47
pretty
30:47
good
30:47
process
30:48
for
30:48
building
30:48
this
30:48
whole
30:49
List
30:49
of
30:49
100
30:50
and
30:50
obviously
30:51
me
30:51
and
30:52
David
30:52
Aldridge
30:52
were
30:53
at
30:53
the
30:54
kind
30:54
of
30:55
forefront
30:56
or
30:56
whatever,
30:56
but
30:56
we
30:56
had
30:57
our
30:57
whole
30:57
staff
30:57
involved
30:58
and
30:58
we
30:58
kind
30:59
of
30:59
did
30:59
a
30:59
whole
31:00
ballot
31:01
and
31:01
everything
31:02
for
31:02
ranking
31:03
the
31:03
players.
31:04
And
31:04
then
31:05
I
31:06
also
31:06
created
31:07
a
31:07
statistical
31:07
method
31:08
that's
31:09
in
31:09
the
31:09
book
31:09
called
31:09
Goat
31:10
Points.
31:11
That
31:11
was
31:12
just
31:12
one
31:12
way
31:12
to
31:12
look
31:13
at
31:13
the
31:13
debate
31:14
where
31:16
it
31:16
gave
31:17
point
31:17
values
31:18
for
31:18
various
31:20
accomplishments
31:21
and
31:22
really
31:22
only
31:22
the
31:23
only
31:23
counted
31:23
really
31:24
the
31:24
most
31:24
impressive
31:25
accomplishments,
31:25
you
31:25
know,
31:26
MVPs
31:27
or
31:27
finishing
31:27
the
31:27
top
31:28
five
31:28
in
31:28
MVP
31:29
making
31:29
all
31:29
NBA.
31:31
Those
31:31
are
31:31
the
31:31
things
31:31
that
31:32
really
31:32
move
31:32
the
31:32
needle
31:32
on
31:33
that.
31:33
So
31:33
because
31:33
you're
31:33
really
31:34
Talking
31:34
about
31:34
when
31:34
you
31:34
get
31:34
into
31:35
the
31:35
100
31:35
best
31:35
players
31:35
of
31:36
all
31:36
time,
31:37
really,
31:38
if
31:38
you
31:38
weren't
31:38
one
31:38
of
31:38
the
31:39
five
31:39
or
31:39
10
31:39
best
31:39
players
31:40
in
31:40
the
31:40
league
31:40
at
31:41
some
31:41
point,
31:42
you
31:43
basically
31:43
have
31:43
no
31:43
case
31:44
for
31:44
being
31:44
in
31:44
the
31:44
top
31:44
hundred
31:45
of
31:45
all
31:45
time.
31:45
If
31:45
you
31:45
just
31:45
look
31:45
at
31:46
the
31:46
time
31:46
frame
31:46
of
31:46
the
31:47
league,
31:47
go
31:48
back
31:48
to
31:48
1950
31:49
or
31:49
whatever.
31:49
So
31:51
I
31:52
thought
31:52
that
31:52
was
31:53
a
31:53
way
31:53
to
31:54
frame
31:54
things
31:54
and
31:54
look
31:54
at
31:55
things
31:55
and
31:55
make
31:55
sure
31:56
that
31:56
we
31:56
were
31:58
not
31:58
memorializing
32:00
kind
32:00
of
32:01
second
32:01
tier
32:01
players
32:02
that
32:02
we
32:02
had
32:02
seen
32:03
play
32:03
in
32:03
person
32:03
and
32:04
had
32:04
grown
32:04
fond
32:04
of,
32:05
you
32:05
know,
32:06
and
32:07
it
32:07
was
32:07
a
32:07
way
32:08
to
32:08
achieve
32:08
some
32:08
fairness
32:09
between
32:09
eras,
32:10
I
32:10
thought,
32:11
by
32:11
doing
32:11
it
32:11
that
32:12
way.
32:12
So
32:13
hopefully
32:13
I
32:14
succeeded
32:14
in
32:14
that
32:14
goal.
32:15
And
32:15
you'll
32:15
see,
32:16
I
32:16
mean,
32:16
you
32:16
can
32:16
see
32:17
in
32:17
the
32:17
book
32:18
the
32:18
top
32:18
100
32:18
in
32:19
go
32:19
points
32:19
doesn't
32:20
match
32:20
the
32:20
top
32:20
100
32:21
that
32:21
we
32:21
came
32:21
up
32:22
with
32:22
for
32:22
the
32:23
book,
32:23
which
32:23
is
32:23
totally
32:23
fine.
32:24
I
32:24
mean,
32:24
there's
32:24
a
32:24
non
32:25
statistical
32:25
component
32:25
to
32:26
this
32:26
too.
32:26
Obviously
32:27
what
32:28
I
32:28
did,
32:28
like
32:28
about
32:29
what
32:29
I
32:29
did
32:30
in
32:30
GO
32:30
Points
32:30
is
32:31
that
32:31
because
32:32
it
32:32
relied
32:33
fairly
32:33
heavily
32:34
on
32:35
award
32:35
voting,
32:36
that
32:37
contemporary
32:38
opinions
32:38
mattered.
32:39
In
32:39
other
32:39
words,
32:40
the
32:40
awards
32:40
that
32:41
were
32:41
voted
32:41
on
32:41
by
32:41
the
32:41
people
32:42
who
32:42
were
32:42
seeing
32:43
Bill
32:43
Russell
32:43
and
32:44
Wilt
32:44
Chamberlain
32:44
play
32:45
every
32:45
day
32:45
in
32:45
the
32:45
1960s,
32:47
like
32:47
those
32:48
are
32:48
the
32:48
things
32:48
that
32:49
counted
32:49
in
32:49
GO
32:49
points,
32:50
not
32:50
what
32:50
I
32:50
thought
32:51
of
32:51
the
32:51
guys
32:51
when
32:51
they,
32:52
you
32:52
know,
32:52
I
32:52
wasn't
32:53
even
32:53
alive
32:53
when
32:53
they
32:53
played.
32:54
So.
32:55
So
32:56
I
32:56
think
32:56
it
32:56
accomplishes
32:59
that,
33:00
that
33:01
goal
33:01
of
33:01
being
33:01
pretty
33:02
fair
33:02
between
33:03
eras.
33:04
And
33:04
then
33:04
obviously
33:05
that
33:05
was
33:05
it.
33:05
But
33:06
I
33:06
designed
33:06
it
33:06
as
33:06
a
33:06
starting
33:07
point,
33:07
not
33:07
as
33:07
an
33:07
ending
33:08
point.
33:08
Right.
33:08
And
33:09
so
33:09
that's
33:09
where
33:10
we
33:10
got
33:10
into
33:10
the
33:11
nitty
33:11
gritty
33:11
of
33:11
discussing
33:12
all
33:12
these
33:12
players
33:13
versus
33:13
each
33:13
other.
33:14
And
33:14
then
33:15
I
33:16
think
33:16
if
33:16
you,
33:17
you
33:17
know,
33:17
if
33:17
you
33:18
flip
33:18
through
33:18
and
33:18
read,
33:19
I
33:19
think
33:19
we
33:19
read,
33:20
we
33:21
created
33:21
some
33:21
pretty
33:22
powerful
33:23
kind
33:23
of
33:24
pictures
33:25
of
33:25
what
33:26
these
33:26
guys
33:26
were
33:27
like
33:27
as
33:27
players
33:28
and
33:28
as
33:29
men
33:29
and
33:30
where
33:30
they
33:30
stood
33:31
in
33:31
kind
33:31
of
33:31
the
33:31
zeitgeist
33:32
of
33:32
the
33:32
whole
33:32
conversation
33:33
about
33:33
basketball.
33:34
Now
33:35
I
33:35
remember
33:35
that
33:36
great
33:36
coffee
33:37
table
33:37
book,
33:37
the
33:37
NBA
33:38
at
33:38
50.
33:39
And
33:39
obviously
33:39
we've
33:40
moved
33:40
onward
33:41
and
33:41
upward
33:41
from
33:42
that.
33:42
But
33:43
that
33:43
was
33:43
a
33:43
great
33:44
book.
33:44
But
33:44
of
33:44
course
33:45
that
33:45
was
33:45
about
33:46
30
33:46
years
33:46
ago.
33:49
A
33:49
lot
33:50
of
33:50
water
33:50
under
33:50
the
33:50
bridge.
33:51
A
33:51
lot
33:51
of
33:51
players
33:52
passed
33:52
through
33:53
the
33:53
portals
33:53
of
33:54
the
33:54
National
33:55
Basketball
33:55
Association.
33:57
You
33:57
talk
33:58
a
33:58
little
33:58
bit
33:58
about
33:58
the
33:59
factors
33:59
that
33:59
were
34:00
taken
34:00
into
34:00
consideration
34:01
when
34:02
compiling
34:03
these
34:03
100
34:04
guys.
34:06
Give
34:06
us
34:07
a
34:07
little
34:07
rundown
34:07
there
34:08
of
34:09
the
34:09
factors
34:10
that
34:10
you
34:10
used,
34:11
John.
34:13
Well,
34:14
it
34:15
came
34:15
down
34:15
to
34:15
a
34:15
lot
34:16
of
34:16
things.
34:16
I
34:16
mean,
34:18
playing
34:19
well
34:19
in
34:19
big
34:20
games
34:20
and
34:20
big
34:20
moments,
34:20
I
34:21
mean,
34:21
that
34:21
definitely
34:22
mattered,
34:22
right?
34:22
That
34:22
was
34:23
a
34:23
big
34:23
thing.
34:23
I
34:23
mean,
34:23
you
34:23
look
34:24
at
34:24
some
34:24
of
34:24
These
34:24
guys
34:25
who
34:25
were,
34:26
who
34:26
were
34:27
kind
34:27
of
34:27
big
34:28
players
34:28
in
34:28
important
34:29
games,
34:29
even
34:29
though
34:29
they
34:29
didn't
34:30
have
34:30
the
34:30
overall
34:30
career
34:31
accomplishments
34:32
of
34:32
some
34:33
other
34:33
players,
34:33
they
34:33
still
34:34
ended
34:34
up
34:34
in
34:34
the
34:34
top
34:34
hundred.
34:35
When
34:35
you
34:35
look
34:35
at
34:35
guys,
34:36
you
34:36
know,
34:37
James
34:37
Worthy,
34:37
Robert
34:38
Parrish,
34:38
I'll
34:38
use
34:39
as
34:39
two
34:39
examples,
34:39
I'll
34:40
use
34:40
a
34:40
Laker
34:40
and
34:40
a
34:41
Celtic.
34:41
So
34:41
I'm
34:41
not
34:42
accused
34:43
of
34:43
favoring
34:44
or
34:44
hating
34:44
one
34:44
or
34:44
the
34:45
other.
34:45
Right.
34:46
Yeah.
34:48
Since
34:48
they're
34:49
arch
34:49
rivals.
34:49
But
34:50
I
34:50
think
34:50
there's
34:51
some
34:51
similarities
34:52
there.
34:52
And
34:53
you
34:53
know,
34:53
they're
34:53
both
34:54
ended
34:54
up
34:54
in
34:54
the
34:55
same
34:55
sort
34:55
of
34:55
strata.
34:57
And
34:58
I
34:58
tell
34:58
you
34:58
what,
34:58
though,
34:59
I
34:59
think
34:59
the
34:59
hardest,
35:00
the
35:00
two
35:00
hardest
35:01
things
35:02
to
35:02
do
35:03
in
35:03
the
35:03
book
35:03
were
35:04
one,
35:04
compare
35:05
short
35:05
careers
35:05
to
35:06
long
35:06
careers.
35:06
Like
35:07
Bill
35:07
Walton
35:07
was
35:07
a
35:07
perfect
35:08
example.
35:08
Where
35:09
do
35:09
you
35:09
rank
35:09
him?
35:09
Because
35:10
at
35:10
his
35:10
peak
35:10
he
35:10
was
35:11
awesome.
35:12
Right.
35:12
But
35:12
it's
35:13
still
35:13
brief.
35:14
And
35:15
then
35:15
the
35:15
other
35:15
thing
35:15
was
35:15
how
35:16
to
35:16
deal
35:16
with
35:16
players
35:16
who
35:17
are
35:17
still
35:17
active
35:18
and
35:18
still
35:19
compiling
35:20
their,
35:20
their
35:21
resumes.
35:22
And,
35:22
and
35:23
what,
35:24
you
35:24
know,
35:24
what
35:24
do
35:25
you
35:25
say
35:25
about
35:26
where
35:26
Luca
35:27
Doncic
35:28
should
35:28
rank
35:29
when
35:29
you
35:29
don't
35:30
know
35:30
how
35:30
the
35:30
movie
35:31
ends
35:31
yet?
35:32
And
35:32
so
35:34
the
35:35
way
35:35
I
35:35
thought
35:35
we
35:35
had
35:35
a
35:36
pretty
35:36
fair
35:36
way
35:36
of
35:37
treating
35:37
the
35:37
active,
35:38
where
35:38
we
35:38
basically
35:39
said,
35:40
look,
35:40
let's
35:40
just
35:41
act
35:41
like
35:41
somebody
35:42
shut
35:42
a
35:42
light
35:42
switch
35:43
off
35:43
and
35:44
their
35:44
career
35:45
just
35:45
ended
35:46
for
35:46
whatever
35:46
reason,
35:47
right.
35:47
At
35:48
this
35:48
point,
35:48
let's
35:48
not
35:48
assume
35:49
anything
35:49
about
35:49
what's
35:50
about
35:50
to
35:50
happen
35:51
and
35:52
just
35:52
take
35:52
their
35:53
body
35:53
of
35:53
work
35:53
as
35:54
it
35:54
is.
35:54
If
35:54
they
35:54
decided
35:55
to
35:55
retire
35:56
tomorrow
35:56
or
35:56
whatever,
35:58
and
35:59
where
35:59
would
35:59
that
35:59
rank?
36:00
And
36:00
I
36:00
think
36:00
we
36:01
ended
36:01
up
36:01
in
36:01
a
36:01
pretty
36:02
fair
36:02
spot
36:02
with
36:02
those
36:03
guys
36:03
because
36:03
of
36:03
that.
36:04
I
36:04
mean,
36:04
some
36:04
people
36:04
are
36:04
going
36:04
to
36:05
say
36:05
we
36:05
had
36:05
Nikola
36:06
Jokic
36:06
too
36:06
low,
36:07
for
36:07
instance,
36:07
especially
36:08
if
36:08
he
36:08
ends
36:08
up
36:08
winning
36:09
a
36:09
fourth
36:09
MVP
36:10
this
36:10
season,
36:10
which
36:10
it
36:10
seems
36:11
like
36:11
he
36:11
might.
36:12
But
36:12
on
36:12
the
36:12
other
36:13
hand,
36:14
I
36:14
think
36:14
if
36:14
you
36:15
took
36:15
his
36:15
accomplishments
36:16
to
36:16
date
36:17
when
36:17
we
36:17
published
36:18
that
36:18
book
36:19
at
36:20
the
36:20
end
36:20
of
36:20
last
36:20
season,
36:21
that
36:22
it
36:22
was
36:22
tougher
36:22
to
36:22
get
36:23
him
36:23
much
36:23
higher
36:23
than
36:24
that.
36:24
And
36:25
so
36:25
that's,
36:26
you
36:26
know,
36:26
and
36:26
that's
36:27
because
36:27
of
36:28
where
36:28
he
36:28
is
36:28
in
36:28
his
36:29
career.
36:29
Like
36:29
he
36:29
doesn't
36:29
have
36:30
as
36:30
many
36:30
high
36:30
level
36:31
seasons
36:31
as
36:31
these
36:31
other
36:32
guys
36:32
in
36:32
the
36:32
top
36:32
30
36:33
yet.
36:33
Because
36:33
he's.
36:34
Because
36:34
of
36:35
his
36:35
age.
36:35
Right.
36:36
So
36:37
inevitably
36:38
he's
36:38
going
36:38
to
36:38
keep
36:38
moving
36:39
up.
36:40
We
36:40
are
36:41
speaking
36:41
with,
36:42
excuse
36:42
me,
36:42
folks,
36:43
John
36:43
Hollinger
36:44
and
36:44
the
36:45
basketball
36:45
100.
36:46
Tonight
36:47
on
36:47
Sports
36:48
Talk
36:48
New
36:48
York.
36:50
The
36:50
top
36:51
five
36:51
players
36:52
that
36:52
you
36:52
have
36:52
on
36:52
the
36:52
list,
36:54
John,
36:54
Michael
36:55
Jordan,
36:55
LeBron,
36:56
Kareem,
36:57
Bill
36:57
Russell
36:58
and
36:58
Magic.
36:59
They
37:00
could
37:00
be
37:00
an
37:01
all
37:01
time
37:02
starting
37:02
five.
37:04
Yeah,
37:05
we
37:06
got
37:06
to
37:06
figure
37:06
out
37:06
how
37:07
to
37:07
keep
37:07
the
37:07
floor
37:07
space
37:08
for
37:08
Kareem.
37:09
We
37:09
Got
37:09
to
37:09
figure
37:09
out
37:10
Bill
37:10
Russell's
37:11
role
37:11
in
37:11
that.
37:11
But
37:11
I
37:12
guess
37:12
we're
37:12
just
37:12
going
37:12
to
37:12
fast
37:13
break
37:13
so
37:13
much
37:13
that
37:13
it
37:13
won't
37:14
matter.
37:14
Right.
37:14
Because
37:15
we
37:15
got
37:15
Magic
37:15
running
37:16
the
37:16
show.
37:17
So
37:18
we'll
37:18
figure
37:19
it
37:19
out.
37:19
Right?
37:19
Yeah.
37:20
Use
37:20
the
37:20
baseball
37:21
pass.
37:23
Exactly.
37:24
Exactly.
37:25
Yeah.
37:25
We'll
37:25
get
37:25
to
37:26
just
37:26
Russell
37:26
rebounds
37:27
outlets
37:27
it.
37:28
And
37:28
we're
37:28
off.
37:28
Yeah.
37:29
Now,
37:30
the
37:30
difficulty
37:31
in
37:31
assessing
37:32
players
37:32
from
37:33
an
37:33
earlier
37:33
era,
37:35
which
37:35
the
37:36
statistical
37:37
record
37:37
isn't
37:38
nearly
37:39
as
37:39
complete
37:39
as
37:40
we
37:40
have
37:40
today,
37:41
and
37:42
whether
37:42
great
37:42
players
37:43
like
37:44
Wilt
37:44
Chamberlain,
37:45
Bill
37:45
Russell
37:46
would
37:46
they
37:47
have
37:47
been
37:47
transcended
37:48
in
37:48
any
37:48
era.
37:51
Yeah,
37:52
I
37:52
mean,
37:53
I
37:54
personally
37:54
think
37:54
they
37:54
would
37:55
have,
37:55
but
37:55
I
37:56
mean,
37:56
that's
37:57
my
37:57
opinion.
37:57
I
37:57
mean,
37:57
the
37:57
game
37:58
has
37:58
definitely
37:59
grown
37:59
and
37:59
improved
38:00
in
38:00
countless
38:00
ways.
38:01
On
38:01
the
38:01
other
38:01
hand,
38:02
today's
38:02
players
38:03
have
38:03
access
38:03
to
38:04
resources
38:04
that
38:05
these
38:05
guys
38:05
just
38:06
didn't
38:06
in
38:06
terms
38:07
of
38:07
training
38:08
and
38:08
health
38:08
and
38:09
not
38:09
having
38:09
to
38:09
fly
38:09
commercial
38:10
or
38:10
take
38:11
trains
38:11
or
38:11
whatever.
38:12
So
38:13
it
38:14
cuts
38:14
both
38:14
ways.
38:15
But,
38:15
yeah,
38:15
I
38:15
think
38:16
they
38:16
absolutely
38:16
would
38:16
have
38:17
still
38:17
been
38:18
transcendent
38:18
players
38:19
today.
38:20
And
38:21
again,
38:21
I
38:21
think
38:21
that's
38:22
one
38:22
of
38:22
the
38:22
things
38:22
where.
38:23
Where.
38:24
Because
38:25
you're
38:25
right,
38:25
like,
38:25
especially
38:26
before
38:26
1974
38:27
when
38:27
they
38:27
started
38:28
tracking
38:28
turnovers
38:28
and
38:29
blocked
38:29
shots,
38:30
the
38:30
statistical
38:30
record
38:31
is
38:31
really
38:32
incomplete.
38:33
And
38:33
that's
38:33
where
38:33
I
38:33
think
38:33
those
38:34
contemporary
38:34
accounts
38:35
of
38:36
who
38:37
made
38:37
all
38:37
NBA
38:38
and
38:38
MVP
38:39
in
38:39
those
38:39
seasons,
38:41
that
38:41
those
38:41
count
38:42
for
38:42
more
38:42
because
38:44
they
38:44
saw
38:44
things
38:45
that
38:45
we
38:45
can't
38:46
kind
38:46
of
38:46
claw
38:47
back
38:47
through
38:47
the
38:47
numbers.
38:48
The
38:49
way,
38:49
say,
38:50
it's
38:50
easier
38:50
for
38:50
a
38:51
baseball
38:51
analyst
38:51
to
38:52
say,
38:52
well,
38:52
this
38:52
guy
38:52
from
38:52
1916
38:53
actually
38:54
wasn't
38:54
that
38:54
good
38:54
because.
38:55
Because
38:55
they
38:55
kind
38:56
of
38:56
have
38:56
all
38:56
the
38:56
numbers
38:57
to
38:57
build
38:58
kind
38:58
of
38:58
a
38:58
model
38:59
of
38:59
what
39:00
things
39:01
look
39:01
like.
39:01
And
39:02
we
39:03
don't.
39:03
It's
39:03
just
39:03
very
39:04
incomplete.
39:06
Yeah,
39:06
I
39:07
agree
39:07
with
39:07
that.
39:07
Now,
39:08
underrated
39:09
guys
39:10
who
39:10
are
39:11
basketball's
39:12
most
39:12
underrated
39:13
guys,
39:13
and
39:13
we
39:14
can
39:14
consider
39:15
maybe
39:15
Steph
39:15
Curry.
39:17
He's
39:17
not
39:17
given
39:18
enough
39:19
credit
39:20
when
39:20
it
39:20
comes
39:20
to
39:20
compiling
39:21
the
39:21
list.
39:25
I
39:25
don't
39:25
know.
39:25
I
39:25
thought.
39:25
I
39:26
thought
39:26
we
39:26
gave
39:26
Steph
39:27
a
39:27
decent
39:27
amount
39:27
of
39:27
credit.
39:28
I
39:28
mean,
39:28
some
39:28
people
39:28
might
39:29
disagree.
39:29
I
39:29
mean,
39:29
he's.
39:30
He's
39:30
an
39:30
immensely
39:31
popular
39:31
player
39:32
right
39:32
now,
39:34
but
39:34
I
39:35
think.
39:35
I
39:35
think
39:35
we
39:35
have
39:36
him
39:36
pegged
39:36
about
39:37
right
39:37
as
39:37
far
39:37
as
39:37
his
39:38
player
39:38
in
39:39
his
39:39
place
39:40
in
39:40
history.
39:40
Underrated
39:41
players.
39:41
I
39:41
mean,
39:41
you
39:41
can
39:42
argue
39:42
that.
39:43
You
39:43
can
39:43
argue
39:43
again
39:44
that
39:44
we
39:44
still
39:44
didn't
39:44
have
39:44
Nikola
39:45
Jokic
39:45
high
39:45
enough
39:47
players
39:47
from
39:48
the
39:48
past.
39:50
I
39:50
wrote
39:50
the
39:51
section
39:51
on
39:51
Paul
39:51
Arizona,
39:52
and
39:52
as
39:52
I
39:52
was
39:53
doing
39:53
it,
39:53
I
39:53
kind
39:53
of
39:54
realized
39:54
that
39:54
he'd
39:55
been
39:55
a
39:55
little
39:56
bit
39:56
lost
39:56
to
39:56
history
39:57
and.
39:57
Yeah.
39:57
And
39:58
it
39:58
was
39:58
actually
39:59
a
39:59
pretty
39:59
darn
39:59
good
40:00
player.
40:01
So
40:02
that
40:02
was
40:02
an
40:02
interesting
40:03
one.
40:03
For
40:03
me
40:04
personally
40:05
to
40:05
write
40:07
why
40:08
Drexler,
40:08
I
40:09
would
40:09
argue,
40:09
was
40:09
another
40:10
one.
40:10
Just
40:10
because
40:11
he
40:11
was
40:12
so
40:12
overshadowed
40:13
in
40:13
that
40:13
moment
40:13
by
40:14
Michael
40:14
Jordan
40:15
that
40:15
I
40:16
think,
40:16
I
40:16
think
40:16
it
40:16
got
40:17
a
40:17
little
40:17
bit
40:17
lost
40:18
how
40:18
good
40:19
he
40:19
was.
40:20
I
40:20
think,
40:21
I
40:21
think
40:21
Hakeem
40:21
Olajuwon
40:22
is
40:22
a
40:22
little
40:22
bit
40:22
like
40:23
that
40:23
too,
40:24
who
40:24
is
40:24
just
40:24
a
40:25
legitimately,
40:25
just
40:25
an
40:26
absolutely
40:26
awesome
40:26
player.
40:27
And
40:28
I
40:28
think
40:29
that
40:29
that
40:30
Jordan
40:30
shadow
40:30
was
40:31
so
40:31
large
40:31
that
40:31
it
40:31
doesn't
40:32
quite
40:32
get
40:32
seen
40:33
that
40:33
way.
40:34
Another
40:34
guy
40:34
that
40:35
falls
40:35
a
40:35
little
40:36
bit
40:36
under,
40:37
under
40:37
the
40:38
spotlight
40:38
is
40:38
Patrick
40:39
Ewing,
40:39
I
40:39
thought.
40:40
Right.
40:42
Yeah.
40:43
I
40:43
mean,
40:43
honestly,
40:44
anyone
40:44
who
40:45
played
40:45
for
40:45
the
40:45
Knicks
40:45
or
40:45
Lakers
40:46
or
40:46
Celtics,
40:46
probably
40:47
not.
40:49
It's
40:49
all
40:49
the
40:49
guys
40:50
who
40:50
played
40:50
other
40:50
places
40:51
that
40:52
really
40:52
get
40:52
a
40:52
little
40:53
more
40:53
pushed
40:53
aside
40:54
in
40:54
the
40:54
historical
40:55
record.
40:55
Okay,
40:56
maybe
40:56
I'm
40:56
a
40:56
little
40:56
prejudiced
40:57
then,
40:57
John.
41:00
Now,
41:02
the
41:02
decision
41:03
making
41:03
process
41:04
that
41:04
you
41:04
guys
41:04
went
41:05
through
41:06
for
41:06
leaving
41:07
certain
41:07
guys
41:08
off
41:08
the
41:08
list
41:09
who
41:09
came
41:10
closest
41:10
to
41:10
making
41:11
the
41:11
cut,
41:11
but
41:12
did
41:12
not
41:13
at
41:13
the
41:13
end.
41:15
So
41:17
at
41:17
the
41:17
end
41:18
we
41:18
were
41:18
talking
41:18
about
41:19
a
41:20
couple
41:20
of.
41:20
We
41:21
were
41:21
talking
41:21
about,
41:23
we
41:23
were
41:23
talking
41:23
about
41:24
Jimmy
41:24
Butler's
41:24
place,
41:25
which
41:25
is
41:25
a
41:25
really
41:26
hard
41:26
one.
41:26
He
41:26
was
41:27
a,
41:27
he
41:27
was
41:27
one
41:27
of
41:27
the
41:28
hardest
41:28
players
41:29
to
41:30
slot
41:30
because
41:33
he,
41:33
at
41:33
his
41:34
peak
41:34
moments
41:35
have
41:35
been
41:35
so
41:35
good.
41:36
I
41:36
mean,
41:36
he's
41:36
been
41:37
the
41:37
best
41:37
player
41:37
on
41:37
two
41:38
different
41:38
NBA
41:38
Finals
41:39
teams,
41:39
which
41:40
very
41:40
few
41:41
people
41:41
in
41:41
the
41:41
history
41:41
of
41:41
the
41:41
league
41:42
can
41:42
say,
41:44
including
41:44
many
41:45
who
41:45
made
41:45
the
41:45
top
41:46
hundred.
41:47
On
41:47
the
41:47
other
41:48
hand,
41:49
not
41:49
a
41:50
super
41:50
long
41:50
career.
41:51
A
41:51
lot
41:51
of
41:51
like
41:51
60
41:52
game
41:52
seasons
41:52
where
41:53
he
41:53
didn't
41:53
play
41:53
the
41:53
whole
41:53
thing.
41:54
Not
41:54
a
41:54
ton
41:54
of
41:55
awards
41:55
or
41:55
all
41:56
star
41:56
teams
41:56
or
41:56
accolades
41:57
like
41:57
that,
41:58
but
41:59
his
42:00
peak
42:00
value
42:00
just
42:01
gave
42:01
him
42:01
a
42:01
little
42:01
bit
42:01
of
42:01
a
42:02
leg
42:02
up.
42:03
And
42:04
then
42:04
the
42:04
two
42:05
guys
42:05
who
42:06
really
42:06
got
42:06
debated
42:07
pretty
42:07
hard
42:08
at
42:08
the
42:08
end
42:09
that
42:10
didn't
42:10
make
42:10
it
42:10
were
42:11
Clay
42:11
Thompson
42:12
and
42:12
Tim
42:12
Hardaway,
42:13
senior.
42:14
Sorry,
42:14
warriors
42:15
fans.
42:17
Yeah,
42:18
I
42:18
understand
42:19
that.
42:19
That
42:20
is
42:20
for
42:20
sure.
42:21
Now,
42:23
the
42:24
24
42:24
second
42:25
shot
42:25
clock
42:27
in
42:27
the
42:27
book,
42:28
it's
42:28
called
42:28
the
42:28
greatest
42:29
innovation
42:29
in
42:29
the
42:30
game's
42:30
history.
42:33
David
42:33
writes
42:34
that
42:34
without
42:35
the
42:35
shot
42:35
clock,
42:36
the
42:36
NBA
42:37
may
42:37
not
42:38
have
42:38
survived.
42:39
Talk
42:39
a
42:39
little
42:39
bit
42:39
more
42:40
about
42:40
that,
42:40
John.
42:41
Well,
42:42
I
42:42
think
42:42
it's
42:42
really
42:42
true.
42:42
I
42:43
mean,
42:43
they
42:43
had
42:43
a
42:43
1918
42:44
NBA
42:44
Finals
42:45
game
42:45
because
42:46
teams
42:46
would,
42:47
you
42:48
know,
42:48
back
42:48
in
42:48
the
42:48
day,
42:48
if
42:48
you
42:49
didn't
42:49
have
42:49
a
42:49
shot
42:49
clock
42:49
and
42:49
you
42:49
got
42:50
a
42:50
lead
42:50
team,
42:50
just
42:50
stall,
42:51
right?
42:52
And
42:52
you
42:52
could
42:52
just,
42:53
you
42:53
could
42:53
just
42:53
sit
42:53
there
42:54
and
42:54
hang
42:54
out
42:54
with
42:55
the
42:55
ball
42:55
forever,
42:55
ever.
42:57
And
42:58
it
42:58
was
42:58
really
42:59
uninteresting
42:59
to
43:00
watch,
43:00
even
43:00
though
43:00
it
43:00
was
43:01
the
43:01
correct
43:02
strategy
43:02
to
43:03
salt
43:03
away
43:04
a
43:04
victory.
43:05
And
43:05
so
43:06
it
43:07
was.
43:07
And
43:07
you
43:08
can
43:08
see
43:09
at
43:09
every
43:09
level
43:09
it's
43:10
begun
43:10
to
43:10
be
43:10
innovated
43:12
I'm
43:12
sorry,
43:13
added.
43:14
When
43:14
you
43:14
look
43:14
at
43:15
college
43:15
basketball,
43:16
ended
43:16
up
43:16
adding
43:17
it
43:17
for
43:17
the
43:17
same
43:18
reason
43:19
high
43:19
schools
43:20
have
43:20
started
43:20
adding
43:21
it
43:21
as
43:21
they,
43:22
you
43:22
know,
43:22
been
43:22
able
43:22
to
43:23
have
43:23
the
43:23
technology
43:24
in
43:24
house
43:24
to
43:25
actually
43:25
have
43:25
a,
43:26
have
43:26
a
43:26
real
43:26
shot
43:26
clock
43:27
operating
43:27
and
43:29
make
43:29
it
43:29
function.
43:30
And
43:30
so
43:32
yeah,
43:32
it
43:32
was
43:33
an
43:33
incredible
43:34
invention.
43:35
And
43:36
the,
43:37
you
43:37
know,
43:38
there's
43:38
this
43:38
story
43:39
of
43:39
how
43:39
they
43:39
came
43:39
up
43:40
with
43:40
24.
43:41
It
43:41
was
43:41
like
43:41
a
43:42
mathematical
43:43
guess
43:44
basically
43:45
at
43:45
what
43:45
would
43:45
be
43:45
a
43:45
good
43:47
timing.
43:47
And
43:48
it
43:48
just
43:48
stuck,
43:49
it
43:49
just
43:49
worked.
43:50
And
43:50
so
43:51
yeah,
43:52
I
43:52
think
43:52
it's
43:52
an
43:53
incredible
43:53
innovation
43:54
that
43:55
you
43:55
could
43:56
see.
43:56
I
43:56
mean,
43:56
I
43:56
think
43:57
once
43:57
the
43:57
NBA
43:58
added
43:58
it,
43:59
college
44:00
basketball
44:00
inevitably
44:01
realized
44:02
that
44:02
at
44:03
some
44:03
point
44:03
they
44:03
needed
44:04
to
44:04
add
44:04
it
44:04
or
44:04
they
44:05
were
44:05
going
44:05
to
44:05
be
44:05
the
44:05
ones
44:05
who
44:06
not
44:07
went
44:07
out
44:07
of
44:07
business,
44:08
but
44:08
definitely
44:08
were
44:08
going
44:09
to
44:09
lose
44:09
business.
44:10
Right.
44:10
So
44:12
it's
44:12
been
44:13
a
44:13
fantastic
44:14
thing
44:14
for
44:14
the
44:14
sport.
44:16
Yes,
44:16
I
44:16
agree
44:17
with
44:17
that.
44:17
And
44:19
certainly
44:21
the
44:21
facts
44:21
of
44:22
the
44:22
24
44:23
second
44:23
clock
44:24
are
44:24
brought
44:24
to
44:24
light
44:25
in
44:25
the
44:25
book
44:25
now.
44:25
We're
44:26
speaking
44:26
with
44:26
John
44:26
Hollinger
44:27
tonight,
44:28
the
44:28
co
44:28
author
44:28
of
44:29
the
44:29
basketball
44:29
100,
44:30
which
44:30
is
44:30
the
44:31
story
44:31
of
44:31
the
44:32
greatest
44:32
players
44:32
in
44:32
NBA
44:33
history.
44:34
You
44:34
go
44:35
into
44:35
some
44:37
players
44:38
that
44:38
I'm
44:38
going
44:38
to
44:38
speak
44:38
about,
44:39
John,
44:41
interesting
44:42
folks
44:43
may
44:43
want
44:43
to
44:43
know.
44:44
There
44:44
are
44:44
82
44:45
retired
44:46
players
44:46
on
44:47
the
44:47
list
44:48
and
44:48
18
44:49
active
44:49
players
44:50
included.
44:51
I
44:51
don't
44:51
know
44:51
what
44:51
the
44:52
median
44:52
age
44:53
of
44:53
the
44:54
guys
44:54
at
44:54
the
44:54
Athletic
44:55
are
44:55
that
44:55
compiled
44:56
the
44:56
list
44:56
and
44:56
any
44:57
old
44:57
timers
44:57
like
44:58
me.
45:00
I,
45:01
we
45:01
have,
45:02
we
45:02
have
45:02
a
45:02
pretty
45:03
healthy
45:03
mix.
45:04
Okay.
45:05
I,
45:07
you
45:07
know,
45:07
without
45:08
getting
45:08
into
45:09
too
45:10
many
45:10
specifics
45:11
and
45:12
I
45:12
think,
45:12
you
45:13
know,
45:13
especially
45:13
toward
45:14
the
45:14
end
45:14
of
45:14
the
45:14
process,
45:16
just
45:16
say
45:17
the
45:17
older
45:17
guys
45:17
probably
45:17
had
45:18
a
45:18
little
45:18
more
45:18
juice
45:19
in
45:19
that
45:19
just
45:19
because
45:19
they'd
45:20
seen
45:20
everybody,
45:20
not
45:21
everybody,
45:21
but
45:21
more
45:21
of
45:22
these
45:22
guys
45:22
play.
45:23
Right.
45:24
The
45:24
one
45:24
that
45:24
I
45:25
was
45:25
looking
45:25
for
45:25
on
45:25
the
45:26
list
45:26
was
45:26
Willis
45:26
Reed
45:27
and
45:27
he
45:27
made
45:28
it,
45:29
which
45:29
I
45:29
was
45:29
glad
45:30
about.
45:30
And
45:31
some
45:32
of
45:32
the
45:32
guys
45:32
that
45:33
I
45:33
was
45:33
thinking
45:33
of,
45:34
Gary
45:34
Payton,
45:35
now
45:36
known
45:36
for
45:37
his
45:37
defense.
45:37
Right.
45:38
He
45:39
talked
45:39
as
45:39
much
45:40
trash
45:40
to
45:41
his
45:41
own
45:41
guys
45:42
as
45:42
he
45:42
did
45:43
to
45:43
his
45:43
opponent.
45:44
Go
45:44
into
45:44
Gary
45:45
a
45:45
little
45:45
bit.
45:47
Yeah,
45:48
great
45:48
defender,
45:48
but
45:49
he
45:49
was
45:49
also,
45:49
I
45:50
mean,
45:50
the
45:50
main
45:51
offensive
45:52
player
45:52
on
45:52
a,
45:53
you
45:53
know,
45:53
on
45:53
a
45:54
64
45:54
win
45:55
Seattle
45:55
team
45:56
that
45:56
took
45:56
Jordan's
45:56
Bulls
45:57
to
45:57
six
45:57
games
45:58
in
45:58
the
45:58
finals
45:59
and
46:00
had
46:00
the
46:00
best
46:00
record
46:00
in
46:01
the
46:01
league
46:01
another
46:02
season,
46:02
ended
46:02
up
46:02
winning
46:03
a
46:03
championship
46:03
in
46:04
Miami.
46:04
Although
46:05
he
46:05
was
46:05
a
46:05
secondary
46:06
player
46:06
by
46:06
then,
46:08
probably
46:09
one
46:09
of
46:09
the
46:09
best
46:10
defensive
46:11
guards
46:12
in
46:12
NBA
46:13
history
46:14
in
46:14
terms
46:14
of
46:14
players
46:15
6,
46:15
4
46:15
or
46:16
shorter
46:16
who
46:16
could
46:17
really
46:17
still
46:17
impact
46:18
the
46:18
game
46:19
with
46:19
their,
46:19
with
46:20
their
46:20
defense,
46:21
you
46:21
know,
46:21
so
46:22
a
46:22
lead
46:22
on
46:22
that
46:23
end,
46:23
but
46:23
then
46:24
also
46:24
still
46:25
still
46:25
a
46:25
really
46:25
Good
46:26
offensive
46:27
player.
46:27
And
46:27
that's
46:28
a
46:28
lot
46:28
of,
46:29
a
46:29
lot
46:29
of
46:29
the
46:29
best
46:30
offensive
46:30
guards
46:31
have
46:31
been
46:32
somewhere
46:32
between
46:33
average
46:34
to
46:35
not
46:36
even
46:36
average
46:37
on
46:37
the
46:37
defensive
46:38
end,
46:38
let's
46:38
say.
46:39
So
46:39
he's,
46:40
he's
46:40
a
46:40
little
46:40
bit
46:41
of
46:41
a
46:41
historical
46:41
anomaly
46:42
that
46:42
he
46:42
was
46:42
such
46:42
a
46:43
tough
46:43
two
46:43
way
46:43
player.
46:44
That's
46:44
what
46:44
I
46:44
was
46:44
going
46:45
to
46:45
say.
46:45
An
46:45
anomaly
46:46
certainly
46:46
for
46:46
Gary
46:47
Payton.
46:47
Now
46:48
here's
46:48
an
46:48
interesting
46:49
case
46:49
folks.
46:50
The
46:50
worm,
46:51
Dennis
46:51
Rodman.
46:52
Now
46:52
he
46:52
didn't
46:53
start
46:53
playing
46:54
basketball
46:54
until
46:54
he
46:55
was
46:55
age
46:56
20.
46:57
Now
46:57
in
46:58
a
46:58
few
46:58
short
46:58
years
46:59
he
46:59
was
46:59
working
47:00
as
47:00
a
47:00
janitor
47:01
at
47:01
the
47:02
airport
47:03
to
47:03
becoming
47:04
one
47:04
of
47:04
the,
47:05
actually
47:05
one
47:06
of
47:06
the
47:06
strangest
47:07
super
47:07
superstars
47:08
that
47:09
basketball's
47:10
ever
47:10
known.
47:12
He
47:13
was
47:13
an
47:13
extremely
47:14
difficult
47:15
player.
47:15
Yeah,
47:16
to,
47:16
to
47:16
rate
47:17
and
47:17
value
47:17
because
47:18
on
47:18
the
47:18
one
47:18
hand,
47:19
like
47:19
there
47:20
were
47:20
teams
47:20
in
47:20
years
47:20
where
47:21
he
47:21
had
47:21
a
47:21
divisive
47:22
effect,
47:22
right.
47:22
Like
47:22
he
47:23
really
47:23
hurt
47:23
San
47:24
Antonio's
47:25
run
47:26
that
47:26
year.
47:26
They
47:26
were
47:26
playing
47:27
Houston
47:27
in
47:27
the
47:27
conference
47:28
finals.
47:30
And
47:31
so
47:31
he
47:31
was
47:32
a
47:32
negative.
47:32
He
47:32
went
47:33
from
47:33
a
47:33
negative
47:33
there
47:34
to
47:34
being
47:35
such
47:35
a
47:35
positive
47:36
on
47:36
the
47:36
championship
47:37
teams
47:37
in
47:38
Detroit
47:39
and
47:39
especially
47:39
in
47:40
Chicago
47:41
where
47:41
he
47:41
embraced
47:42
this
47:42
very
47:42
limited
47:43
role
47:43
of
47:43
being
47:43
a
47:44
guy
47:44
who
47:44
would
47:44
literally
47:45
never
47:45
shoot
47:45
it,
47:46
but
47:46
is
47:46
just
47:46
going
47:46
to
47:47
get
47:47
every
47:47
rebound
47:48
and
47:48
defend
47:49
Karl
47:49
Malone
47:49
in
47:50
the
47:50
Finals
47:51
and
47:52
just
47:52
do
47:52
that
47:52
at
47:53
such
47:53
an
47:53
elite
47:53
level
47:54
that
47:54
it
47:54
really
47:54
impacted
47:55
winning.
47:56
And
47:57
I
47:57
think
47:57
that
47:58
that
47:58
was
47:58
the
47:58
thing
47:58
that
47:59
ultimately
48:00
made
48:00
it
48:00
easier
48:01
to
48:01
include
48:01
him
48:02
despite
48:02
his
48:03
being
48:03
a
48:04
very
48:04
secondary
48:05
offensive
48:05
player
48:06
was
48:06
just
48:06
that
48:07
he
48:07
had
48:07
such
48:07
an
48:07
impact
48:08
on
48:09
high
48:10
games
48:11
at
48:11
the
48:11
highest
48:11
level
48:12
and
48:12
you
48:13
know,
48:13
having
48:13
a
48:13
serious
48:14
impact
48:14
on
48:14
NBA
48:15
Finals
48:15
games,
48:16
conference
48:16
finals
48:17
games,
48:17
but
48:18
those
48:20
big
48:20
stages
48:21
and,
48:22
and
48:22
that's
48:22
what
48:22
got
48:22
him
48:23
in.
48:24
Interesting.
48:25
Okay,
48:26
now
48:26
Allen
48:27
Iverson,
48:27
here's
48:28
a
48:28
guy
48:29
known
48:30
for
48:30
his
48:30
style
48:31
and
48:31
swagger
48:32
really
48:32
on
48:33
and
48:33
off
48:33
the
48:33
court.
48:34
And
48:35
Iverson
48:35
was
48:36
another
48:36
interesting
48:37
pick.
48:40
He
48:40
was,
48:42
you
48:42
know,
48:42
he
48:43
was,
48:43
he
48:43
was
48:43
an
48:43
mvp.
48:44
He
48:44
was
48:44
the
48:44
best
48:44
player
48:45
in
48:45
NBA
48:45
Finals
48:46
team.
48:48
He,
48:48
he
48:48
definitely
48:50
ended
48:50
on
48:50
a
48:50
little
48:51
bit
48:51
of
48:51
a
48:51
down
48:51
note,
48:52
let's
48:52
say
48:52
like
48:52
in
48:53
Memphis.
48:53
But
48:54
I
48:54
mean
48:54
his,
48:55
his,
48:56
his
48:56
impact
48:56
in
48:57
Philadelphia,
48:57
I
48:57
think
48:58
his
48:58
impact
48:58
on
48:59
kind
48:59
of
49:00
the
49:00
game
49:00
and,
49:01
and
49:01
how
49:01
it
49:02
was
49:02
played,
49:04
it
49:04
was
49:04
pretty,
49:04
it
49:04
was
49:05
pretty
49:05
easy.
49:05
Like
49:06
if
49:06
you
49:06
look
49:06
at
49:06
his
49:06
career
49:06
accomplishments
49:07
and
49:07
everything,
49:08
pretty
49:08
easy.
49:08
To
49:08
include
49:09
him
49:09
in
49:09
the
49:09
top
49:09
100
49:10
is
49:10
more
49:10
a
49:10
case
49:10
of
49:11
plotting
49:12
him
49:12
against
49:12
some
49:12
of
49:13
these
49:13
other
49:13
players
49:13
and
49:14
where
49:14
he,
49:15
and
49:15
where
49:15
he
49:15
belonged
49:16
in
49:16
that
49:17
hierarchy.
49:18
Right?
49:19
Now
49:19
one
49:20
guy
49:20
I
49:20
was
49:20
glad
49:20
to
49:21
see
49:21
that
49:22
was
49:22
rated
49:23
very
49:23
highly
49:24
probably
49:25
in
49:25
my
49:26
heyday,
49:27
he
49:28
was
49:28
this
49:29
before
49:29
Michael
49:29
Jordan
49:30
came
49:30
along,
49:30
probably
49:31
the
49:32
greatest
49:32
in
49:33
history.
49:33
You
49:33
get
49:34
a
49:34
lot
49:34
of
49:34
argument
49:35
from
49:35
Wilt
49:36
Chamberlain
49:36
fans
49:37
But
49:37
Kareem
49:37
Abdul
49:38
Jabbar,
49:39
so
49:40
dominant
49:41
in
49:41
the
49:41
painting
49:42
that
49:43
rules
49:43
had
49:43
to
49:43
be
49:44
changed.
49:45
Yeah.
49:46
And
49:46
I
49:47
mean
49:47
a
49:47
six
49:47
time
49:48
MVP
49:48
who
49:49
led
49:49
a
49:49
second
49:49
year
49:50
expansion
49:50
team
49:50
to
49:50
a
49:51
championship
49:52
that
49:52
pretty
49:53
easy,
49:53
pretty
49:54
easy
49:54
case
49:54
to
49:55
put
49:55
him
49:55
in
49:55
with
49:55
the
49:55
all
49:55
time
49:56
brace.
49:56
And
49:57
to
49:57
me,
49:57
he
49:58
has
49:58
a
49:58
very
49:59
easy
49:59
case.
50:00
Almost
50:00
as
50:00
the
50:01
third
50:01
best
50:01
player
50:01
of
50:02
all
50:02
time
50:02
behind
50:03
Michael
50:03
Jordan
50:03
and
50:03
LeBron
50:04
James.
50:06
Really,
50:07
when
50:07
you
50:07
look
50:07
at
50:08
both
50:08
his
50:09
staggering
50:10
career
50:10
length
50:10
and
50:11
then
50:11
his
50:12
accomplishments
50:14
at
50:14
his
50:14
peak
50:15
level,
50:17
he
50:17
was
50:17
just
50:18
so
50:19
dominant
50:20
in
50:20
different
50:20
ways.
50:21
I
50:21
mean,
50:21
he
50:21
could
50:22
beat
50:22
with
50:22
the
50:22
sky
50:23
hook,
50:23
yes,
50:23
but
50:24
he
50:24
also
50:25
could
50:26
really
50:26
handle
50:26
the
50:26
ball.
50:27
Was
50:27
more
50:27
skilled
50:28
than
50:28
people
50:29
give
50:29
him
50:30
credit
50:30
for.
50:30
I
50:30
think
50:31
it
50:31
wasn't
50:31
a
50:31
big
50:32
part
50:32
of
50:32
the
50:32
game
50:32
then
50:32
for
50:33
big
50:33
men
50:33
to
50:34
be
50:34
skilled
50:35
and
50:35
handle
50:35
the
50:35
ball
50:36
and
50:36
take
50:36
a
50:36
rebound
50:36
and
50:37
go
50:37
coast
50:37
to
50:37
coast
50:38
themselves,
50:38
but
50:39
he
50:39
had
50:39
that
50:39
stuff
50:40
in
50:40
his
50:40
game.
50:41
And
50:42
then
50:42
at
50:42
his
50:42
size,
50:43
you
50:43
know,
50:43
could
50:43
be
50:43
a
50:44
dominant
50:45
shop
50:45
blocker,
50:45
rim
50:46
protector
50:47
and
50:47
all
50:47
that
50:48
as
50:48
well.
50:48
So
50:50
yeah,
50:51
I
50:51
don't
50:52
know
50:52
what
50:52
else
50:52
to
50:52
add.
50:52
Like,
50:53
yeah,
50:53
he
50:53
was,
50:53
he
50:54
was
50:54
amazing.
50:54
Yeah.
50:55
So
50:56
him
50:56
at
50:56
number
50:57
three
50:57
I
50:57
thought
50:57
was
50:57
a
50:57
pretty,
50:58
pretty
50:59
easy
50:59
call.
51:00
Yup,
51:00
Kareem.
51:01
Folks,
51:01
you
51:02
younger
51:02
kids,
51:02
look
51:03
him
51:03
up.
51:03
Kareem
51:03
Abdul
51:04
Jabbar,
51:04
number
51:05
33.
51:06
Certainly
51:07
a
51:07
dominant
51:08
force.
51:08
Now
51:09
what
51:09
I
51:09
meant
51:10
to
51:10
ask
51:10
you
51:10
earlier,
51:11
John,
51:13
John
51:14
Hollinger
51:15
is
51:15
with
51:15
us
51:15
from
51:15
the
51:15
Athletic
51:16
talking
51:17
about
51:17
his
51:17
book
51:18
the
51:18
Basketball
51:19
100,
51:20
which
51:20
chronicles
51:21
the
51:21
100
51:22
greatest
51:22
players
51:23
in
51:23
NBA
51:24
history.
51:25
Per.
51:26
Do
51:26
you
51:26
call
51:26
it
51:27
per
51:27
or
51:28
how
51:28
do
51:28
you
51:28
refer
51:28
to
51:29
that?
51:29
I've
51:29
always,
51:30
I've
51:30
always
51:30
called
51:30
it
51:31
per,
51:33
short
51:34
for
51:34
player
51:34
efficiency
51:35
rating.
51:35
Okay,
51:35
can
51:36
you
51:36
go
51:36
into
51:36
that
51:36
a
51:37
little
51:37
bit,
51:37
how
51:37
that's
51:37
compiled
51:38
for
51:39
old
51:39
timers
51:40
who
51:40
may
51:40
not
51:40
be
51:40
familiar
51:41
with
51:41
it?
51:42
Yeah,
51:42
it's
51:43
basically
51:43
a
51:43
formula
51:43
I
51:44
created
51:45
about
51:46
25
51:46
years
51:47
ago
51:47
now
51:48
to
51:48
rate
51:49
basketball
51:50
players,
51:53
how
51:53
efficient
51:54
they
51:54
were
51:54
on
51:55
the
51:55
court,
51:55
how
51:56
basically
51:56
how
51:57
productive
51:57
they
51:57
were
51:57
per
51:58
minute.
51:59
And
52:00
the
52:01
core
52:01
of
52:01
it,
52:01
it's
52:02
a
52:02
complex
52:02
formula,
52:03
but
52:03
the
52:04
basic
52:04
idea
52:04
at
52:04
its
52:05
core
52:05
is
52:05
it
52:06
adds
52:06
stuff
52:06
for
52:06
doing
52:07
positive
52:07
things
52:07
and
52:08
subtracts
52:08
stuff
52:08
for
52:08
doing
52:09
negative
52:09
things.
52:10
Right.
52:11
So
52:12
you
52:12
know,
52:13
you
52:13
make
52:13
it,
52:13
you
52:14
make
52:14
it,
52:14
you
52:14
get
52:14
an
52:14
assist
52:15
or
52:15
you
52:15
get
52:15
a
52:15
rebound
52:15
or
52:16
whatever,
52:16
that's
52:16
a
52:16
plus.
52:17
You
52:17
miss
52:17
a
52:17
shot,
52:17
that's
52:18
a
52:18
minus.
52:18
You
52:18
commit
52:18
a
52:19
turnover,
52:19
that's
52:19
a
52:19
big
52:19
or
52:20
minus.
52:21
That's
52:22
basically
52:22
like
52:22
the,
52:23
the
52:24
core
52:24
idea,
52:24
the
52:25
math
52:25
behind
52:25
it
52:25
is
52:26
a
52:26
little
52:26
more
52:26
complex
52:27
than
52:27
that.
52:27
You
52:27
know,
52:27
how
52:28
much
52:28
of
52:28
these
52:28
things
52:28
actually
52:29
were
52:30
and
52:31
how
52:31
to
52:31
make
52:31
it
52:31
all
52:32
kind
52:32
of
52:32
add
52:33
up
52:33
and
52:33
make
52:33
sense
52:33
when
52:34
you
52:34
aggregate
52:34
it
52:34
across
52:35
the
52:35
league.
52:36
That's
52:37
where
52:37
the
52:37
Devil
52:37
is
52:38
in
52:38
the
52:38
details
52:38
a
52:38
little
52:39
bit.
52:39
And
52:39
I
52:39
won't
52:39
get
52:39
into
52:40
all
52:40
that
52:40
because
52:40
it
52:40
took
52:41
me
52:41
like
52:41
five
52:41
pages
52:42
of
52:42
a
52:42
book
52:42
to
52:42
explain
52:43
it
52:43
all.
52:43
But
52:46
the
52:46
kernel
52:47
of
52:47
it,
52:47
the
52:47
core
52:47
idea
52:48
is
52:48
it
52:48
adds
52:49
for
52:49
the
52:49
good
52:49
stuff,
52:50
subtraction,
52:50
the
52:50
bag
52:51
stuff.
52:51
It's
52:51
minutes
52:52
weighted.
52:52
So
52:52
it
52:52
doesn't
52:53
matter
52:53
how
52:53
much
52:53
or
52:53
how
52:54
little
52:54
you
52:54
play.
52:54
Basically
52:55
it's
52:55
just
52:55
how
52:55
effective
52:56
you
52:56
were
52:56
in
52:56
your
52:57
playing
52:57
time.
52:58
And
53:00
it's
53:00
set
53:00
so
53:00
that
53:01
the
53:01
league
53:01
average
53:01
is
53:02
15.
53:03
Typically
53:03
an
53:03
MVP
53:04
will
53:04
end
53:04
up
53:04
around
53:05
30
53:06
and
53:06
a
53:07
kind
53:08
of
53:08
replacement
53:09
level
53:09
or
53:10
bench
53:11
player
53:11
will
53:11
end
53:11
up
53:12
below
53:12
10.
53:12
Okay,
53:13
so
53:14
there
53:14
you
53:14
go
53:14
folks.
53:15
Per
53:17
learn
53:17
it,
53:18
love
53:18
it,
53:18
like
53:18
it.
53:19
Now,
53:20
Steph
53:21
Curry,
53:21
casual
53:22
fans
53:22
may
53:23
have
53:23
seen
53:23
him
53:23
in
53:23
the
53:24
Olympic
53:24
Games
53:25
and
53:25
been
53:26
fascinated
53:27
by
53:27
the
53:27
ballplayer.
53:27
He
53:28
is
53:29
so
53:29
dominant
53:30
outside
53:31
the
53:31
paint
53:32
that
53:32
he
53:33
really
53:33
seems
53:33
to
53:34
expand
53:34
the
53:35
boundaries
53:35
of
53:35
the
53:35
court
53:37
with
53:37
his
53:37
shooting.
53:38
Talk
53:39
a
53:39
little
53:39
bit
53:39
about
53:40
Steph
53:40
Curry.
53:43
The
53:43
thing
53:43
that
53:43
makes
53:44
him
53:44
hard
53:44
to
53:44
rate
53:45
is
53:45
that
53:45
he
53:45
has
53:46
such
53:46
an
53:46
impact
53:46
on
53:47
the
53:47
rest
53:47
of
53:47
the
53:47
offense
53:49
even
53:49
when
53:49
he
53:49
doesn't
53:50
have
53:50
the
53:50
ball.
53:51
Because
53:52
teams
53:52
are
53:52
so
53:53
terrified
53:53
of
53:53
him
53:54
shooting
53:54
a
53:54
3
53:55
that
53:55
they
53:55
will
53:56
basically
53:57
abandon
53:58
their
53:58
assignments
53:58
to
53:58
run
53:59
out
53:59
to
53:59
him
53:59
at
53:59
the
53:59
three
54:00
point
54:00
line
54:00
and
54:00
let
54:00
somebody
54:01
else
54:01
have
54:01
a
54:01
layup.
54:02
And
54:02
so
54:02
it's
54:02
like
54:03
he
54:03
generates
54:03
all
54:04
these
54:04
free
54:04
points
54:04
for
54:06
everybody
54:07
even
54:07
if
54:07
he's
54:07
standing
54:08
40ft
54:08
from
54:08
the
54:08
hoop
54:09
because
54:09
he
54:09
makes
54:09
offense
54:10
so
54:10
much
54:10
easier
54:10
for
54:11
everyone
54:11
else.
54:11
And
54:12
you
54:12
can
54:12
see
54:12
that
54:12
in
54:12
a
54:13
lot
54:13
of
54:13
his,
54:15
in
54:15
a
54:15
lot
54:15
of
54:15
the
54:15
warriors
54:16
stats
54:16
when
54:17
he's
54:17
on
54:17
the
54:17
court
54:17
versus
54:18
off
54:18
the
54:18
court
54:19
or
54:19
in
54:19
their
54:19
overall
54:21
offensive
54:21
production.
54:22
So,
54:25
you
54:25
know,
54:25
two
54:25
time
54:26
mvp,
54:26
four
54:27
time
54:27
champion,
54:28
I
54:28
mean
54:28
that's,
54:29
you
54:29
know,
54:30
obviously
54:30
as
54:30
a
54:30
case
54:31
is
54:31
one
54:31
of
54:31
the
54:31
greatest
54:32
players
54:32
of
54:32
all
54:32
time.
54:32
Again,
54:32
it's
54:33
just
54:33
where
54:34
the,
54:34
where
54:34
it
54:35
got
54:35
really
54:35
tricky
54:36
was
54:36
where
54:37
do
54:37
you,
54:37
where
54:38
do
54:38
you
54:38
slot
54:38
him
54:38
in
54:39
among
54:39
once
54:39
you
54:39
get
54:40
into
54:40
these
54:40
elite
54:41
of
54:41
the
54:41
elite,
54:41
into
54:41
the
54:42
top
54:42
20
54:42
players.
54:43
Okay,
54:44
is
54:44
he,
54:44
you
54:44
know,
54:46
where
54:46
does
54:46
he
54:46
rank
54:46
against
54:47
Kevin
54:47
Garnett
54:48
or
54:48
against
54:48
Dirk
54:49
or
54:49
against,
54:49
you
54:49
know,
54:50
some
54:50
of
54:50
these
54:50
other
54:51
all
54:51
time
54:51
great
54:51
players
54:52
that
54:52
we're
54:52
talking
54:52
about.
54:53
Right,
54:53
Yep,
54:55
understood
54:55
there.
54:55
Well,
54:56
John
54:56
Hollinger,
54:57
it's
54:57
been
54:57
a
54:57
pleasure.
54:58
I
54:58
thank
54:58
you
54:58
for
54:59
taking
54:59
time
55:00
out
55:00
of
55:00
your
55:00
Sunday
55:00
night
55:01
to
55:01
spend
55:01
some
55:01
with
55:02
us
55:02
here
55:02
at
55:02
Sports
55:03
Talk
55:03
New
55:03
York.
55:04
I
55:04
wish
55:04
you
55:04
guys
55:05
the
55:05
best
55:05
of
55:05
luck
55:06
with
55:06
the
55:06
basketball
55:07
one
55:09
from
55:09
the
55:09
Athletic,
55:10
of
55:11
course,
55:11
written
55:11
with
55:11
David
55:12
Aldridge,
55:12
the
55:13
forward
55:13
folks,
55:13
by
55:14
Sir
55:14
Charles
55:14
Barclay.
55:15
It's
55:16
available
55:16
on
55:16
Amazon.
55:18
I
55:18
thank
55:18
you
55:18
again,
55:19
John.
55:19
All
55:19
the
55:19
best
55:20
with
55:20
the
55:20
book.
55:21
Thanks
55:21
so
55:22
much
55:22
for
55:22
having
55:22
me
55:22
on
55:23
that.
55:23
Is
55:23
John
55:23
Hollinger
55:24
ladies
55:24
and
55:25
gentlemen.
55:25
Well,
55:25
up
55:26
next
55:26
on
55:26
Sports
55:27
Talk
55:27
New
55:27
York,
55:27
we
55:28
welcome
55:28
in
55:28
author
55:29
and
55:29
former
55:30
major
55:30
league
55:30
pitcher
55:31
George
55:31
Culver.
55:32
He's
55:32
written
55:32
his
55:33
own
55:33
book
55:33
and
55:33
his
55:34
Life
55:34
in
55:34
and
55:34
out
55:34
of
55:35
Baseball
55:35
all
55:36
stick
55:36
around
55:36
folks.
55:48
The
55:48
views
55:48
expressed
55:49
in
55:49
the
55:49
previous
55:49
program
55:50
did
55:50
not
55:50
necessarily
55:51
represent
55:51
those
55:52
of
55:52
the
55:52
staff,
55:52
management
55:53
or
55:53
owners
55:54
of
55:54
WGBB.
55:57
This
55:58
is
55:58
WGBB
55:59
AM
55:59
1240
56:00
and
56:01
W240
56:02
DFFM
56:04
95.9
56:05
Freeport,
56:05
New
56:06
York.
56:07
Hi,
56:08
I'm
56:08
Kristin
56:08
Chenoweth.
56:09
When
56:09
many
56:10
servicemen
56:10
and
56:10
women
56:11
return
56:11
home,
56:12
they
56:12
carry
56:12
with
56:13
them
56:13
the
56:13
invisible
56:14
wounds
56:14
of
56:14
war.
56:15
But
56:15
thanks
56:15
to
56:15
the
56:15
life
56:16
saving
56:16
power.
56:16
Of
56:16
the
56:17
human
56:17
animal
56:17
bond,
56:18
professionally
56:18
trained.
56:19
Service
56:19
dogs
56:19
can
56:20
help.
56:20
If
56:21
you're
56:21
a
56:21
veteran
56:21
or
56:21
know
56:22
a.
56:22
Veteran
56:22
struggling
56:22
with
56:22
post
56:23
traumatic
56:23
stress
56:23
or.
56:24
Traumatic
56:24
brain
56:24
injury,
56:25
please
56:25
go
56:25
to
56:26
americanhumane.org.
56:27
To
56:27
learn
56:27
about
56:27
our
56:27
Pups
56:28
for
56:28
Patriots.
56:29
Program
56:29
which
56:29
provides
56:30
specially
56:30
trained
56:31
service
56:31
dogs.
56:31
For
56:31
your
56:32
charge
56:32
to
56:32
veterans
56:33
in
56:33
need.
56:34
Let's
56:34
help
56:34
our
56:34
veterans
56:35
heal
56:35
from
56:35
the
56:35
invisible
56:36
wounds
56:36
of
56:36
War.
56:40
Over
56:41
30%
56:41
of
56:42
COVID
56:42
survivors
56:42
could
56:43
experience
56:43
PTSD.
56:45
Some
56:45
veterans
56:45
have
56:46
extreme
56:46
cases
56:46
of
56:47
PTSD.
56:48
Imagine
56:48
sheltering
56:49
in
56:49
place
56:49
forever.
56:50
Learn
56:50
how
56:50
you
56:50
can
56:51
help
56:51
an
56:51
isolated
56:51
or
56:52
sick
56:52
veteran@healthlets.org
56:54
Help
56:54
heal
56:55
veterans,
56:55
with.
56:55
The
56:56
support
56:56
of
56:56
citizens
56:56
like
56:57
you,
56:57
creates.
56:58
And
56:58
distributes
56:59
therapeutic
56:59
art
56:59
and
57:00
craft
57:00
projects.
57:01
For
57:01
our
57:01
veterans
57:01
and
57:02
military
57:02
at
57:02
no
57:03
charge
57:03
to
57:03
them.
57:04
Healvets.org
57:06
this
57:06
message
57:06
is
57:07
furnished
57:07
by
57:07
Help
57:07
Heal
57:08
Veterans.
57:11
Your
57:12
Healing
57:12
power.
57:13
Maybe
57:14
your
57:14
healing
57:14
power
57:15
is
57:15
helping
57:15
veterans
57:16
with
57:16
ptsd,
57:17
traumatic
57:18
brain
57:18
injuries,
57:19
depression,
57:20
anxiety
57:21
or
57:21
loneliness.
57:22
Is
57:23
your
57:23
healing
57:23
power
57:24
a
57:24
simple
57:24
heartfelt
57:25
letter
57:25
or
57:26
being
57:26
a
57:26
volunteer?
57:27
It
57:27
is
57:27
estimated
57:28
that
57:28
over
57:29
half
57:29
a.
57:29
Million
57:29
current
57:30
warfighters
57:30
will
57:30
return
57:31
from
57:31
Service.
57:32
Diagnosed
57:32
with
57:32
PTSD
57:33
and
57:34
22
57:34
veterans
57:35
will
57:35
commit
57:35
suicide
57:36
every
57:36
day.
57:37
Our
57:37
veterans
57:38
have
57:38
paid
57:38
the
57:38
ultimate
57:39
sacrifice
57:40
for
57:40
our
57:40
country.
57:41
At
57:41
healvets.org
57:43
you
57:43
can
57:43
find.