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The Doctor Who Left Medicine for a $60 Million Car Wash Empire · White Coat Black Sheep

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Welcome to White Coat Black Sheep, where science gets curious and dogma gets
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uncomfortable. I'm your host, Dr. Savelli.
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Today, we talk physiology, evidence, and real-world medicine, and everything in
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between. Plus, the questions you're not supposed to ask but probably should.
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If you care about health and think there's a better way, welcome to the show.
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Thanks for joining me today, Dr. J.
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Thanks for having me. How are you guys doing?
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Such an honor. I love having you on.
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How are you?
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Doing good. I've been in the thick of it today.
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Running here, running there, slightly sweaty, trying to make it look good.
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Well, you look great.
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Thank you.
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Thank you.
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You too. I appreciate your time.
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No problem.
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I'm going to read a little bit about you to the listeners.
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Sure.
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I enjoyed doing a little background on you.
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Okay. So Car Wash Doc is what we go by, right?
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Yeah.
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All right. So internal medicine physician and former frontline doctor.
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Typically, in your past, you worked pretty much 100 hours per week.
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Is that-
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That's very true
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... on point. Experiencing significant burnout. Understandable.
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Entrepreneur, moved into acquisition and improving underperforming car washes.
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An advocate for subscription-based business models, business ownership, tax
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strategy, and replacing earned medical income with scalable income. Love that.
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Husband, father, and help people reclaim their time, energy,
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and give more presence at home. That's amazing.
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Thank you.
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Is all that true? Did I do a good job?
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Yeah, I try to actually live by those principles.
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I was a hospitalist for Kaiser for
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eight years. I've been out of training for eight years, and I recently just left
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because I had to really choose between medicine, entrepreneurship, and
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lifestyle. And at that point, the easier choice was just to leave
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medicine. And it kind of wasn't the initial intent was to never leave medicine,
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it's just something that my side hustle became my main hustle and ultimately
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granted me a different set of freedoms, but also came with a different set of
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chains and shackles that are different from what, say, a physician has.
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Yeah.
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Business ownership is a whole animal.
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I am working to get better at it, but I don't think I would define myself as
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nailing it just yet. I'm still in the troubleshooting stages.
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I don't think anyone ever nails it. That's the honest truth.
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If you're not improving constantly and doing better than the next day, there's
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no nailing it.
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Yeah. It's constant energy forward, right?
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Yeah. Just one step in front of the other, one foot in front of the other, and then
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just try and improve upon yourself the next day until you're officially out and you
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put someone else in charge and you walk away.
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And I'm hoping to get to that point in five, 10 years.
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But right now, I'm still in the thick of it. Every day is just different.
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New challenges, new stuff. You always go like, "WTF today?" Right? I don't know.
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Yeah.
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It's so real. I value that you shared that.
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Some people just keep it in, and there's this curtain that you can never look
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behind. For me, I'm the first doctor in my family, business
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owner. That's kind of different than, I would say, most of my family.
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So yeah, looking behind the curtain is super important to me and just really
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showing that to other people who maybe want to close maybe a income gap
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or just change their life, change their family dynamic.
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Yeah. It's important to self-reflect on what you're doing though, right?
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The big question is why are you doing this? Why do I wake up at 3:00 a.m.
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to go answer pages, or why am I doing this? Why do I go work at the car washes?
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Yeah.
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So if you don't self-reflect, you kind of lose that purpose, and I had to do that a
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lot in the last couple of years to just figure out-
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Yeah
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... what my life goals were. They would always just constantly be redefined every
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year. Kids, family, marriage, things like that, business ownership, what I
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wanted to do with my academic medical career versus entrepreneurship career.
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There's always a constant change.
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Yeah.
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You look very young.
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Thank you.
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And I hope you take that as a compliment.
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May I ask what is your age? I'm 42. I'll share first.
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Sure.
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I'm 42.
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I'm 40. I just turned 40.
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Yes.
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Yeah.
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Okay. When did you start as a doctor?
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So you graduated residency when?
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In 2017.
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Okay, that's a little bit of time ago.
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Yeah.
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Awesome.
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So I finished and I trained up in the Inland Empire, close to San Bernardino, or I
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trained at Arrowhead Medical Regional Center as a hospitalist.
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This was more-
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Okay
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... internal medicine, but heavily focused hospital-based medicine.
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I loved it, enjoyed it.
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Mm-hmm.
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It was fun. I don't know if you ever watched the TV show "Scrubs,"
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but I felt like I lived that.
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Yes.
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And it was just awesome. And I was kind of tired of LA
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and the Inland Empire, so when I went to go look for jobs as I wanted to be a
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hospitalist, I took the first offer I got in San Diego, and I just booked it down
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here for, again, with the intention of lifestyle, and that's what I wanted to do.
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So I ended up in San Diego at Kaiser for a while.
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Yeah. Was that overall a positive or negative?
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It feels like it was a negative experience to launch you into the next, but I don't
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want to make conclusions.
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No, I don't look at a lot of things in life as negatives.
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I always try to find the positive in things. There's always setbacks.
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But I guess the important thing is to keep yourself up and keep moving forward.
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So I never thought of it that way.
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Love it.
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It's like, okay, well, hey, I'm going to San Diego. Hey, I'm doing this.
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I'm buying car washes, or, hey, I developed a house.
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Spent more money than I wanted to, made a bad investment. Oh, s**t. Oh, well.
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Learned something from it, at least.
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Yeah. I share that same-- I call that resiliency.
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A lot of people can't just bounce back if there's a bad deal.
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That sends some people into a spiral.
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Oh, yeah. 100%.
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So
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I love that you just took that as it's a learning touchpoint. Noted.
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Yeah.
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And then you kept on going.
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Yeah. Again, we're both very young.
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I hope to live to be 100 with the use of AI or something, but I have plenty
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of time ahead of me to still make mistakes, and I'm still going to learn.
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And if I fall, I can always pick myself back up.
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Yeah.
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I think one of the things that's really powerful that I've come to just
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realize is the most dangerous person in the room is the one that's willing to start
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over and not be afraid to, because they're willing to give up everything to go back
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and grind it out again. And they may do it better the second time.
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Yeah. And that's how it is.
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I love that. I always thought the most dangerous person in the room is the one who
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has nothing to lose, but I love your version of the most dangerous person.
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Yeah, it's the same thing. Not that they have nothing to lose, they have everything
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to lose, but they're willing to start over again.
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Yeah. Everything. Yes. Willing to.
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Had to, and then willing to, and then it's like,
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yeah, the bounce back.
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You say bounce back, I just think about patients that come back to the ER.
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Discharge, bounce back.
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You're still in the medical mindset.
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All over, yeah.
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You are a doctor.
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Oh my gosh. So 2017, you started your journey.
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Now here we are almost 10 years later.
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Yeah.
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It's crazy.
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So I graduated residency in 2023.
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I had a long gap between medical school and
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getting into residency. Caribbean grad And
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yeah, I struggled. I would say I had a lot of life in between
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the space of starting as a pre-med person and then arriving where I am right now,
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and worked a lot of different random jobs, tried to quit several times.
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Like, "I don't want to be a doctor."
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Yeah.
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Because it's hard, right?
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Yeah. It's definitely hard, and you should be proud of yourself-
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Yeah
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... because you still made it through the thick of it and done what you've done.
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Not many people can go through that.
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Everyone's got their own struggles, their own life story.
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You don't know what battles people are facing.
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Yeah.
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That's what I think when I see a patient in the ER, I don't know what they've gone
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through. I'm only here to help them now and help them get-
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Yeah
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... through this hospital stay. And that's kind of how you look at things and just
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hearing your story too-
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Mm-hmm
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... like, I had a gap year. I didn't get in the first time.
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I'm an osteopath, but big whoop, I'm still a doctor.
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You're still a doctor today.
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Yeah.
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That's a huge accomplishment in itself.
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The problem now is I can't burn myself out.
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Because it's almost like making up for lost time.
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Yeah.
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And then there's this pressure that is behind a lot of what I do.
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Yeah. Yes. I empathize with that. I've talked to a lot, I
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say, recent grads that feel the same way. Like, "Hey, I'm such and such age.
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I finished, I have this much in debt. I feel like I need to buy a house.
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I need to get married. I need to drive a nice car.
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I need to go on multiple trips because my friends have been living their life and
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I've been stuck in school, and I'm trying to figure it out." You know?
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Yeah.
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Yeah. I felt that way, too.
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Yeah, and so fast-forward to now where I'm in the
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wellness space.
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Mm-hmm.
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I've built several wellness, I would say centers, and not all of them have
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worked out. So, it's interesting to be unwell in a wellness
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industry. So, really, it's forced me to just look at habits and
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the industry impact, really.
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Yeah.
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There's a lot of industry culture situations that we're kind of up against as well.
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Yeah, everything you do-
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Like a workaholic
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... you said you've worked on some things that haven't worked out.
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Well, you've learned something from that, right?
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And then you're in the-
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It's tremendous learning
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... you're a business owner now, so you're juggling doctor plus business owner, and
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I had that same experience, and then it's like throwing into two different-- I felt
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like I was compartmentalized into Car Wash Doc and Dr. J. That's who I was.
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Yeah.
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And then I found a way to eventually kind of blend it, but I couldn't hold it
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together because the lifestyle balance, just being
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well. I'm probably in the best shape and best mental health I've ever been now
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since I left-
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That's so great
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... Kaiser six months ago, and it was kind of a necessary change that had to
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happen.
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Mm-hmm.
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I'm still a per diem doc, but don't ask me how many shifts I've done this year.
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I haven't done very many. But I would love to sometimes go back-
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That's liberating
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... but it's like I'm so busy, and you just got to prioritize.
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Priorities are a huge thing in life now, too.
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Yeah.
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And then as different scenarios come up, that hierarchy of priorities, it's
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okay to shift.
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Yeah, 100%.
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So, right.
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Constantly-
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Not anchoring into that fixed point
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... every six months, my priorities change. I know my top priorities.
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In the intro, you mentioned father, husband, those are my two top.
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Everything else under that is just constant shifting.
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Like this month I'm prioritizing this.
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Next six months, I'm going to prioritize that. So they're always shifting.
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That's a really good thing that you just said.
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And when it comes to family and relationships, and
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really the thing that is your core, right? You have to have that foundation.
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I've
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been tested in that area, and I realize the level of importance it is to me.
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Because you can make a lot of money, and then it's for nothing.
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Yeah.
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And then you're also just locked into work, and it just is kind of
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meaningless. But having a reason that is bigger than you, while you're doing your
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calling, while you're earning an income, while you're deepening your relationships,
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to me, that's nailing it.
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Yeah. I want to say it took me a time to figure out.
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I just didn't understand what I was doing, and then at the end of the day, I kind
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of lived-
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Yeah
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... my life by, what are my kids going to be proud of?
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Are my kids going to be proud of my actions going forward?
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They're going to remember whether I was there for back to school night yesterday
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versus- ... I working a night shift. And so as you start to prioritize that.
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Yeah.
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My wife has been my rock. She's kind of supported me through this crazy journey.
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She holds down the fort at the house. She's also in the medical field.
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She's a nurse anesthetist who's a YouTube content creator as well.
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So we've got kind of these different-
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That's awesome
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... side hustles that we do, and
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what turned out to be side hustles for us are now our main hustles.
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And again, our focus is our kids, each other, being husband and wife first,
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reconnecting. Because at the end of the day, I don't want to be 80 years old with,
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say, $100 million, but alone.
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Yeah, and we see that. There's a lot of doctors who end up like that.
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Yeah.
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It's really sad to me. I don't want to be that, and I
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think I want to be proof, and you're proof that it doesn't have to look like that.
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That's not your only pathway, to be 100 and still working-
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Yeah
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... shifts instead of with your family.
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One thing I've taken away, too, in the last couple years is you are not defined by
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your degree. That's just one part of you.
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No.
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Yeah. I'm Dr. J, but I'm also the Car Wash Doc. I'm also a husband.
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It's like a blend. You're not just a doctor.
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Yeah.
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Don't define your life by, "I'm doctor, and that's all I can do," and you're just
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going to stick in that lane. You got to do more.
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You're so right.
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And it's almost like the universe will break you if that is what you're anchored
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to.
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Yeah, 100%. Change is one of those things that is the
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only constant in life.
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You think it's backwards. It's an oxymoron, right?
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But change is constantly happening.
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Yeah.
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There's entropy. You cannot be just one person. You cannot just be a physician.
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You've got to be other things in your life, otherwise you're not going to really
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live a holistic, wholesome life.
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I really resonate with that. I have a mug that says, "I am change."
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Yeah.
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And I always talk in my personal relationships, I don't know if on the podcast, if
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I've said it before, but being able to, I would say, ready yourself and
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prepare and then embrace change, that's a whole thing.
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It's an experience, and it makes your body feel unsettled.
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Mm-hmm.
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So you really are allowing... I don't know what to call it.
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It's a mindset to accept the change as we're going to go into this.
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I know it's going to feel off or destabilizing, but I have my core that
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I'm relying on to stabilize me.
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Yeah.
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For when I left Kaiser six months-- or I left in December of 2025.
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But the decision, just to make that decision, it took me seven months, and I had
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so much anxiety thinking about it, and like, "I'm going to do this."
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That's the prep phase. I'm just kidding.
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Like, "This change is coming, and I don't know what to think.
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How am I going to balance life?
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Am I going to have too much free time, or am I going to have no free time?"
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Mm-hmm.
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"Go back and work." There's so many questions. I lost so much sleep.
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Now I sleep a lot better at night now, but going from night shift-
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Yes
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... I don't have to work night shifts anymore, so it's been a good change.
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That is amazing. Yeah, so that prepping your mind and body
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for how it's going to feel. But then also while you're in that transition or you're
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thinking about the possible transition, you are already anxious.
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Yeah.
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And some people choose to stay there rather than just plowing forward-
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Yeah
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... into that unknown space for the chance that this might go away, and you might
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feel better, which you did. Which I do.
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Yeah. It's crazy to think about the amount of anxiety and stress that I had,
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because I'm not a very stressful guy, or I don't have anxiety.
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But until I made these-
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Mm-hmm
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... really big decisions that were like, "I'm giving up the safety, security of a
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steady job." I gave up my pension. I gave it all up. I gave up my health insurance.
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Yeah.
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I don't even know what I'm going to do for health insurance when I leave Kaiser.
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What if my kids get sick? And blah, blah, blah.
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You start to think of the negatives, but then at the same time, you look at like,
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"Okay, well, I'm doing it for these reasons.
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I'm doing this to improve my life." This is a change that I actually kind of
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wanted, and now God is giving it to me or whatever, and it's like, "Okay, well,
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time to embrace it. Let's figure it out."
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Yeah. And they say be careful what you ask for, but I'm just like, "Oh, some things
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you just can't know."
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Mm-hmm.
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You can't possibly predict how it's going to impact you, and you just feel called
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to step into that-
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Yeah
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... next thing, whatever it is.
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Exactly.
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Yeah. And I just pray to be brave. I think that's what I ask for a lot.
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Well, I think you're doing a great job so far.
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Thank you.
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Because all of this is scary. It's scary to go onto a podcast.
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It's scary to have opinions or to feel courageous enough to apply what
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we've learned in med school or in business, like I have what it takes to make this
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work.
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Mm-hmm.
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So it's trusting a lot. Yeah.
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Just going deeper into that, just some stories.
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When I was telling people at the hospital, like, "Hey, I bought a car wash." And
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they're like, "What the heck are you doing?" And just the looks, and they were
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like, "Are you sure that's a good idea?" I was like, "I think so.
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I ran the numbers. I did them doing it with a partner and figuring it out." And
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eventually came to like, "I'm leaving." They're like, "Are you sure?
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You're going to leave? Oh my God, why would you do that?" And not that they were
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putting doubt in my head, but it was just like you see the shift of these people or
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these other physicians, colleagues of mine,
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they were just one track mind, "I'm going to work here till I'm 65," or whatever.
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And it's like, "Okay. That's for you.
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That's great."
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Yeah.
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I don't know. I feel like there was this different calling, this different thing
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that kind of happened, and I'm just going to-
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Mm-hmm
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... get off the freeway and take these side roads.
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I love that. Yeah, it's liberating, and it's interesting.
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I have learned for myself, at least, to not freely share my
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dreams, my vision, those things that I'm building or actively working
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on. I would rather talk about it after because people do put seeds of
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doubt, and that's not-
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Mm
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... I would say fruitful for me. It doesn't bring out the better outcome.
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To me, it gives me anxiety, so I just lock it down.
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It's funny because I take the opposite approach.
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I tell everyone-
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Yeah
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... what I'm doing because it holds me accountable that I'm going to go out there
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and do it.
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Yeah.
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But guess what? Even if I fail, at least I know I'm 10 steps ahead on the next
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thing.
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Yeah.
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Or I've gained or I've grown some way.
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If I tell people, like, "Hey, I'm going to
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buy $100 million in car washes."
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Yeah.
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If I had said that three years ago, you bet yourself I would've had it by now.
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Even if I failed, oh, well, I have $80 million.
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Mm-hmm.
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I have $70 million in car washes. But it's not like-
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Yeah
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... I'm still better than what I was when I had said that the first time.
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I love it. Yeah. The accountability thing, I think I understand
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you. That definitely plays a role.
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And maybe there are some people that I apply that principle to in my tight circle.
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But with colleagues and stuff, it is challenging because you are different.
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You're an entrepreneur. Doctors don't classically think to build things outside of
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medicine, and so I love that you really took the side road.
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Yeah.
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That's where-
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Yeah, sort of like, "Oh, that looks interesting.
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The beach is that way."
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Yeah.
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But we're trained very conservatively.
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We're in a very conservative profession.
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Yeah.
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So everything we've done is very conservative.
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And I wouldn't say I've always been a risk-taker, but I've always kind of held that
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middle ground, and I try to steel man my own arguments or I try to have
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these pros and cons in my head. And so it's like you're conservative.
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Well, the conservative route is I'm going to work at this job, and I'm going to
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stay here for however long till I get my pension or whatever, whether you're a
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nurse-
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Mm-hmm
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... a nurse practitioner, an engineer, a lawyer, or whatever.
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Or I can go try this new thing because guess what?
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If it does fail, I can probably still get a job back where I was.
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Maybe I have to start over again.
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Yes.
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It's not the biggest deal in the world.
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Yeah.
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I
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really love that. It's like you can do these
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side streets. You can diverge. You can pause medicine, or you can do both.
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Now that I'm here at this point and I've tried a bunch of different things, I think
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I'm going to try the SBA loan route next.
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Oh, yeah.
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So SBA, 250 is the minimum that you can take out.
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Mm-hmm.
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So I'm like, "Well, we can easily spend 250 on something."
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Well, that's how I got started in my first car wash deals.
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Oh, amazing.
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I have over 30 million in SBA loans.
23:58
Oh, that is so good. I'm proud of you.
24:01
And the government's handing out these freebies.
24:04
I don't want to say they're freebies. They come with strings attached.
24:07
But again, at the end of the day, my worst case was my base case, which was I was
24:13
going to go work at Kaiser till I was 65, maybe a little bit longer because I had
24:16
some loans to pay back. But that was my worst
24:20
case.
24:20
Yeah.
24:20
So I looked at it as like, "Okay, I'm going to sign the personal guarantee for this
24:26
SBA loan to start this side hustle," and eventually just was like, "Hey, this is
24:31
kind of like a cheat code. If you know how to navigate the system and figure it
24:35
out, you can take that and scale rather rapidly." And that's what I did over the
24:41
last three years. So in three years-
24:43
That's the right way
24:44
... I have 21 car washes in three years that are probably-
24:49
Good job
24:50
... the value of is probably 60 million,
24:54
and I've put down-
24:55
That is-
24:56
... six million to buy them. So-
24:59
I'm so excited for you. People can't do that, and they're too scared to do that.
25:04
And I don't know who or how you found out about SBA loans, but you did, right?
25:10
And that is-
25:10
Yeah
25:10
... that's a game changer.
25:13
It's like one of those things, just being curious and learning, and you see all
25:17
these people online, they're like, "Hey, it's easy to make money doing this," or
25:21
flip real estate or sell these things or drop shipping.
25:24
Yeah.
25:25
There's some truth to a lot of this stuff.
25:27
You see I'm probably not one of the guys that's like, "Here, let me count cash with
25:31
the car wash," and you just watch my videos.
25:33
Yeah.
25:33
But I'm watching those same videos three years ago, and I was like, "How the heck
25:37
do these people do it? And how do I figure it out?" And you have access to AI and
25:43
Google, and you can literally figure out stuff if you're just curious enough and
25:47
just keep digging at it. And that's what happened to me. I kept digging at it.
25:52
Yeah. And it's paid off.
25:55
Yeah. It wasn't easy. You pay your tuition doing it.
26:01
Again, I've made some mistakes here and there, but it's like, "Hey, oh, well, I'll
26:04
do better on the next one." I wouldn't say I've lost money-money, but could I have
26:11
made more efficient use of the capital I deployed or done something differently and
26:15
had a stronger return? Yeah.
26:17
Mm-hmm.
26:18
Did I get
26:19
scammed by a vendor or did I lose some money on a deal or something? Yeah.
26:25
It happens.
26:27
Yeah.
26:27
And that's just business in a sense, and you've got to take those risks-
26:30
Yeah
26:31
... and build that into your safety cushion, your game plan, your execution, and
26:36
you just know that you've got to roll with those punches too. They come.
26:39
There was days I'd walk into Kaiser as a hospitalist and get punched in the face
26:43
with every patient pretty much, figuratively It's no different than business.
26:48
I walk in, I get-
26:49
Yeah
26:49
... punched in the face sometimes with things that happen.
26:51
I'm like, "Oh my God." Like, okay, well, roll with the punches.
26:55
Yeah. You guys are rough. Not you, Jay, but I'm talking to the listeners.
27:01
It's hard to be a doctor. It's customer service.
27:04
It's-
27:05
Yep
27:06
... the expectation of some vision of a doctor that I didn't create, but here we
27:11
are plugged into this system. Failed expectations, that's
27:17
always being managed.
27:19
Yeah.
27:19
So, it's tough.
27:23
It's a different world, going from-
27:27
Yeah
27:27
... customer service and, say, healthcare.
27:29
Because you're trying to provide patient satisfaction.
27:34
Mm-hmm.
27:34
But sometimes patients don't want to hear what you have to say because it's-
27:38
Mm-mm
27:38
... the truth. You're trying to give them truth and help them, but it
27:43
was different. In medical care, it felt like I was always crossing
27:49
a bridge that led to nowhere-
27:51
Yeah
27:52
... in medicine. I would see a patient, greet them at the ER, and then I would just
27:57
bridge them over to the pay discharge door a couple of days later.
28:02
And it was like, "Okay, and I guess I'll see you on the return trip back.
28:06
You're going to come back because I can't help you." It was always like a Band-Aid,
28:09
the bridges were just Band-Aids.
28:11
Mm-hmm.
28:12
And being, I guess, an entrepreneur
28:15
and having control of my own businesses now, it's no longer a Band-Aid, it's no
28:20
longer a bridge.
28:22
We're actually fixing things and making them-
28:25
Yeah
28:26
... better.
28:26
Yeah.
28:26
Imagine trying to do that in a hospital system, and you're like, "Hey, I'm Dr.
28:30
Spell here, and I got an idea." "Oh, well, get in line with the administrators and
28:34
figure this out, and blah, blah, blah, and go to this meeting," and-
28:38
I can't
28:39
... you can't change a thing.
28:40
No. Yep.
28:41
It was the most frustrating thing about medicine probably for me.
28:43
Mm-hmm.
28:45
And so, having business control and being like, "Hey, we're going to do it this
28:49
way, and if it doesn't work, we'll just pivot back."
28:52
Yes.
28:52
We can do that.
28:53
I love it. Yeah. Those barriers, on one hand, there's people who are really good
28:59
at navigating it, and they're built for it. They're meant for it.
29:03
They can handle going through the red tape and, outpatient wise,
29:10
prior authorizations and-
29:12
Mm-hmm
29:13
... med refills and the forms.
29:18
That shuts me down. I feel it.
29:20
Yeah.
29:21
It's like a defeat feeling. So that, to me, is just, I guess, a signal to my
29:27
body that I need to shift. I can't be the one for this.
29:31
There's a lot of people who can, and I just am not it.
29:35
So-
29:36
Yeah
29:36
... yeah.
29:36
And that's very true. The burnout, that's part of the burnout with medical care
29:41
and-
29:42
Yeah
29:42
... physicians and nurses is going through that red tape over and over again.
29:46
Mm-hmm.
29:46
And it's like, okay, if I have to do it every once in a while, it's fine.
29:50
But if I've got to deal with it with every insurance, every, say, hospital
29:55
discharge, DME that I've got to order, or prescriptions that can't get filled-
30:01
Yeah
30:01
... and I'm like, "I can't do-
30:03
So much
30:03
... this for every single patient." It does not-
30:07
Yeah.
30:07
It sucks. It's like, when did I become a paper pusher rather than someone who's
30:12
more critical thinking and trying to help a patient?
30:15
Yeah.
30:15
And then again, part of my burnout, too, was just I would see sometimes the same
30:20
rotating patients come through, and it's like, there's got to be a better way.
30:23
Wellness, I feel like that's more of a recent shift in-
30:28
Mm-hmm
30:28
... the last generation or two. But the baby boomers that I'm seeing, they didn't
30:33
have the wellness conversation. So it's like, no.
30:37
No way.
30:37
It's like, "Dr. J, how do I fix this?" "Oh, sorry, sir, you're 10 years a little
30:41
too late."
30:43
Unfortunately.
30:44
Yeah. Unfortunately, you're 10 years too late because you should've been working on
30:48
your health, your weight, your sleep, all these things.
30:50
And I feel like it's more of a bigger focus now, which I'm more, I guess, bullish
30:56
on the younger generation of people.
30:59
Mm-hmm.
30:59
They're more health conscious. But-
31:01
Yeah
31:01
... the older generation, it's hard to take care of them because you get to a point
31:06
where there's no return from this, and now it's just a management type of disease
31:11
where you've got to manage this thing.
31:12
And if you don't manage it well, I'm going to see you back in the ER pretty damn
31:16
soon.
31:18
Absolutely. It's not rewarding for either side, for the doctor, for the
31:24
patient. It's just a failed cycle. Something has to change.
31:29
Yeah. And unfortunately, some of those things you can't change.
31:32
Yeah.
31:32
Sometimes you have to say-
31:34
I'm one of those patients.
31:35
Yeah. And then some things, it's like the insurance red tape or whatever you want
31:38
to call it, just getting the appropriate care delivered to the patient so they can
31:44
change or can improve the outcomes. And it was the most frustrating thing.
31:48
It's probably the biggest relief that I've had leaving medicine-
31:53
Yeah
31:53
... and not having to deal with that anymore.
31:56
Well, it's an inspiration, and I hope it makes other people brave as they're
32:01
dealing with burnout and watching their health decline.
32:06
I noticed, okay, doctors and lawyers, they're probably the worst.
32:11
We're the worst with doing our health checks,
32:15
labs, screenings. We're the doctors.
32:19
Yeah. We're the worst patients.
32:20
We're the worst patients.
32:21
We're the worst patients. Yeah.
32:23
I feel like I'm really creating something centered around taking care
32:29
of our colleagues, because to get any of us to leave the clinic to go give
32:35
blood, are you serious? That is mission impossible.
32:39
Yeah.
32:39
When?
32:39
Yeah. You got 10 patients waiting already.
32:43
You're already behind in the day, and you've got to-
32:45
Yeah
32:45
... call a couple insurance companies back about a pre-op, and it's like, dude,
32:48
there's no time in the day. You feel the constant rush.
32:53
Yeah.
32:54
How many times have you skipped lunch?
32:57
All the time.
32:58
All the time. You don't really take lunch.
32:59
I hardly drink water because you've seen me trying to catch up. I had to work out.
33:04
But it's just, yeah. It's hard to do everything and take care of yourself and take
33:10
care of people around you in the way that you know it should be done.
33:15
Yeah. And I should throw a disclaimer out there.
33:17
Running a business also is not the easiest either.
33:21
You still skip lunch, you still lose sleep over things.
33:24
But at least it's a little different that at the end of the day, running a
33:30
business hinges on your, I guess, dedication and work ethic.
33:35
Mm-hmm.
33:35
But you can still take that pause and carve out that time because it's
33:41
done on your time versus you try to say, "Hey, I need a wellness break for two
33:47
hours in the middle of a clinic day." You're doing that on patients' time, and
33:51
you're-
33:51
Yeah
33:52
... on someone else's paid time. So you can't really do that, and that was one of
33:58
the things-
33:58
Can you imagine admin looking at you if
34:01
you say-
34:01
Yeah
34:02
... "I'm going to be on two-hour wellness," blink, blink.
34:05
I think they would be speechless.
34:09
Probably. I just don't see a world where we can get back to...
34:15
Imagine telling admin, "Hey, instead of seeing 22 patients in a day, I'm going to
34:19
just see 16 and spend more time with them and take a nice break and go get-
34:25
Yeah
34:25
... lunch."
34:27
Good luck with that.
34:28
It's not a system built. Yeah.
34:30
Yeah.
34:30
Unless you own the practice yourself and you built it that you can sustain
34:34
yourself, yeah, do what you want. But until you've earned that right, which again,
34:40
I tell a lot of people, even businesses aren't passive.
34:43
Other investments, for the most part, aren't passive.
34:45
Yeah.
34:46
You have to earn that right to do that.
34:48
That's so true.
34:48
I feel like I've kind of
34:52
gotten a grip or gotten to that point where I've earned it, and I've been doing car
34:56
washes for three years. And I'm still not at that point, because when I'm
35:02
actively on site, I'm working 16-hour days and I'm skipping lunch still, and I
35:06
barely go take a potty break.
35:08
Yeah.
35:10
That's how it is. But eventually, hopefully in five years, I've earned it, that
35:13
we're like, "Hey, I'm going to go work one hour a day and be done."
35:17
Yeah. That's ideal. And then when it comes to that
35:22
structure of outsourcing, so you put plugging in the right people,
35:29
I feel like it is a whole separate category for me to learn
35:34
with choosing how to vet the right people, how to screen the right-
35:39
Oh, yeah
35:39
... people so that they're trustworthy, they are truly reflecting you, they're
35:43
extensions of you, and they're not misrepresenting your company or your brand.
35:48
That's hard.
35:49
Oh, yeah. Definitely. It's probably more so important for you because you're
35:55
dealing with patients.
35:56
Mm-hmm.
35:57
Like for us, it's our employees on site that represent us, and our me is the
36:02
manager or the owner, and it's like you want to find those good people who you
36:05
trust. I have to trust employees with cash.
36:07
I can imagine you have to trust employees with sensitive information and talking to
36:11
patients and conveying and-
36:13
Well, I'm cash-based outpatient. So, yes.
36:17
We-
36:17
Yeah.
36:18
Yeah.
36:18
So, it's a lot of that stuff. It's hard to find good people.
36:22
Not saying that there aren't any out there-
36:24
Mm-hmm
36:24
... but you've got to find the right fit for you.
36:27
Yes.
36:27
And for us, it's been not a struggle, but it sucks when
36:35
a good employee needs to move on. And we're happy to see them move on-
36:39
Yeah. That's good
36:39
... go do a different job. You're happy for them, but at the same time, it sucks
36:43
because it's like now I've got to find someone that was just as good as them-
36:45
Yeah
36:46
... and hire them.
36:47
Yeah.
36:47
It's easy to let go of the bad employees-
36:50
Yeah
36:50
... but then if you don't have the payroll for it to
36:54
hire well-
36:56
Mm-hmm
36:57
... you're going to suffer, your business is going to suffer.
36:59
Well, okay-
37:00
You know?
37:00
... so on that point, just paying well is not enough.
37:06
Like-
37:07
Yeah, sometimes, yeah.
37:08
Yeah. And so I had to learn that because you start somebody out, and you
37:14
feel like, "Okay, I'm going to invest into my people." And you give them
37:19
market or above market rate perks-
37:23
Yeah
37:23
... support,
37:25
but it does not guarantee it's going to work.
37:30
Mm-hmm.
37:31
It's a really-
37:31
Yeah,
37:33
it's one of those things, we're quick to hire, but we're also quick to fire.
37:38
And it's not like we are hiring people to just firing them-
37:42
Yeah
37:42
... we're trying to find a good fit that works with us, that works with our
37:46
schedule. We're flexible. We try to
37:50
support our employees on site. We're a mostly Phoenix-based.
37:54
It's 110 degrees out there. We have water-
37:57
Oh, shoot
37:57
... delivered to sites. We make sure we have AC there.
38:00
We make sure we have
38:03
cold refrigerators at work.
38:05
Yeah.
38:05
Things like that. We get them fans.
38:07
We want them to have a safe work environment, but at the same time, if you can't
38:11
handle it or you don't want to or if this is just-- I'm not saying this is going to
38:15
be your career.
38:16
Yeah.
38:17
We're
38:19
lower-end labor, but if you need something else or you're just not the right fit,
38:25
we'll let you go. For you, you're probably looking for skilled MAs-
38:28
Yes
38:28
... skilled nurses.
38:29
Yes.
38:29
And you're trying to hire from a different pool of people-
38:32
Yes
38:33
... and it's difficult. You've got to find people who also care, that have the same
38:36
message as you.
38:37
Mm-hmm.
38:37
It's a lot more difficult.
38:39
Yeah. And there's also a gap that exists, and I'm working to close it, but there's
38:43
a gap between what people believe that they know, what they think that they're good
38:47
at, and what they're actually good at.
38:51
That perceived value of what you bring to the table is not always it.
38:57
And so without crushing somebody, giving feedback in a proper
39:02
way,
39:05
that is hard. It's hard.
39:07
I can imagine.
39:09
My feedback's probably a lot different than yours, but you've got to find people
39:15
that
39:17
aren't so ego-driven or narcissistic in a sense-
39:21
Yes
39:21
... because then if you go in there and you say, "Hey,
39:24
Mrs. So-and-so, didn't like the way you talked to him." Like, "What are you talking
39:27
about? I'm the kindest person." Like, "No, you kind of-"
39:30
Yeah.
39:31
"Becky, you got an attitude."
39:32
Yeah.
39:32
Like, "You've got to tone it down a little bit."
39:34
Yes.
39:35
And that happens.
39:38
Yeah.
39:39
And that's difficult. Really difficult.
39:40
Definitely. Or getting the name close but wrong.
39:46
That actually, I was told by a patient today, "Yeah, when your reception called,
39:52
she messed up my name, and I told her, and she didn't correct it."
39:58
If you're told, "My name is
40:00
Valerie," and the other person just skips over it, that is perceived as rude.
40:06
That's not good.
40:08
Oh, yeah. It's like you keep calling them Veronica, and it's like, "No, I told you
40:11
my name is Valerie, not Veronica."
40:13
You're like, "I can't pronounce it."
40:15
Yeah.
40:15
It's not fair.
40:16
And it's like, well,
40:19
am I just another number you're calling?
40:21
Or are you really-
40:21
Feels like it
40:21
... does this office really care about who I am as a patient, right?
40:26
Yep.
40:27
Yeah. It's a huge deal.
40:29
Yeah. Well, I love what you said, that you are in the best shape of your life right
40:33
now. Tell me more about that.
40:35
Yeah. Well, so when I was working at
40:41
Kaiser at the same time doing my side hustle, I was working night shifts
40:48
Friday, Saturday, Sunday. I was like a weekendist.
40:51
And then I would take off and go work the car washes,
40:56
and I would physically be on site pretty much Monday through Thursday, and maybe
41:01
sometimes even drive back on a Friday or fly back on a Friday, and I would go to
41:05
work. And I was killing myself. I was literally working 100 hours a week because
41:10
at that point, the car wash income hadn't surpassed my
41:16
physician income. But I saw that, hey, if I grinded it out for a couple of
41:21
years, this could be something a lot bigger.
41:25
Mm-hmm.
41:26
And so I did that for two to three years.
41:29
And in the beginning, it wasn't straight night shifts.
41:31
I was rounding-
41:32
Mm-hmm
41:32
... was working seven days straight. The seventh day was a 24-hour shift.
41:36
And then I would have a week off-
41:38
Oh my God
41:38
... but my week off, I was still working.
41:40
I'm still juggling being a dad, a husband, all these things, activities, trying
41:46
to still be social. I had no time. What's the first thing that goes?
41:51
The gym, right? You're eating fast food because it's fast, right?
41:56
You're not eating healthy anymore.
41:58
So, that was one of the biggest struggles to just manage.
42:04
And it was hard. Even with the times I didn't travel to the car washes and was off
42:09
from my night shifts, I didn't have the motivation or energy to even go to the gym.
42:14
Yeah.
42:15
Because I felt like, oh, I'd only go for one day, two days, and then I'd be gone
42:18
for two weeks or I wouldn't be able to-- It's like you-
42:20
You give into it
42:21
... you lose that routine and then...
42:23
Yep.
42:23
Yeah. So when I left, it's like, okay, well, I made a conscious decision, if I'm
42:28
going to leave Kaiser, I'm going to make it so that I can still be healthy
42:34
and well at the age of 80 because I want to play with my grandkids.
42:38
How do I do that? I've got to start working out now.
42:40
I've got to build my bone density. I've got to make sure I'm strong-
42:43
Yeah
42:43
... healthy, get my physical checkups now.
42:46
Yes.
42:46
Go get my blood drawn now.
42:47
Good job.
42:48
So, things like that. Yeah. And it's been a huge transformation because now, okay,
42:53
yeah, I still travel maybe 10... Now I probably travel now 10, 12 days a month.
42:59
But I make it a point that if I am home, I will go to the gym for at least an
43:05
hour a day.
43:06
Good.
43:07
And if it's the first thing I do at 6:30 in the morning, that's what I'm going to
43:10
do. And then me and my wife cook more now at home because I'm home, and it's like
43:15
you're not making a meal for one because your significant other's gone and my two
43:20
little ones don't eat that much. But now we can meal prep better, and we can afford
43:25
more organic, healthy food options-
43:28
Yeah
43:28
... and things like that. So, then you just start really caring about your health
43:32
more. You're like, "Oh, I'm going to do a little bit of red light therapy."
43:34
Yes.
43:35
"I'm going to do saunas and-"
43:36
I love that.
43:37
Yeah. "I'm going to do saunas and cold plunges." So, it's like you start to add
43:40
these things, and I'm like, okay, well, I've built a routine around it.
43:43
I know if I'm going to travel for at least 10 days a month, that means the other 20
43:47
days I can for sure hit the gym.
43:49
Perfect.
43:49
I can for sure do these things.
43:51
Yep.
43:51
And so I've made that a priority now, and it's shifted higher than, say, working
43:56
per diem shifts at the hospital because I come home, and I'm burnt out.
43:59
I'd rather focus on my health than go work an eight-hour swing shift or midnight
44:04
shift at the hospital.
44:04
Mm-hmm.
44:06
So, yeah, I'm losing income, but I feel like I'm gaining wealth in other areas of
44:12
life. They always talk about the five pillars of wealth, but I've always
44:18
neglected the health one-
44:19
Same
44:19
... for a long time.
44:20
Same. And I'm-
44:22
So-
44:23
Yeah, I didn't like myself like that
44:24
... like I said, no-- Yeah. I feel better. I wake up better. I feel more rested.
44:30
Yeah.
44:30
I have more energy.
44:33
I feel like I can do a lot more.
44:38
I'm trying to not be the patient where I'm telling them, "Sorry,
44:43
sir, it's 10 years too late." I'm trying to practice what I preach as when I did as
44:49
a doctor. I don't want my younger self telling my older self, "Hey, you should've
44:54
been working on this in your 40s." I kind of wish I started in my 30s, but hey,
44:59
there's no wrong-- Any time to start is a good time to start, right?
45:02
Absolutely. That's the message. Really, even if you're in your 50s, 60s, 70s,
45:08
you can have a body transformation physically, and then the labs will show us that
45:13
the inside is also adjusting So it's pretty profound.
45:18
And there's chronic disease. And so if that's unmanaged for-
45:23
Mm-hmm
45:23
... quite a long time, there are some things that are irreversible, but you can
45:28
still reduce its impact.
45:31
Yeah. But like you said, the chronic disease just doesn't show up one day and it
45:35
becomes chronic.
45:36
Mm-hmm.
45:36
It's been brewing for so many years because of neglect.
45:40
Yeah.
45:40
Maybe your BMI is like 40, maybe your stress management is
45:46
eating chocolate sweets or something-
45:48
Yeah
45:48
... and you're just stuffing your face full of Hot Cheetos or something.
45:52
Yeah.
45:52
That's stuff that builds up. And heart disease and stress management,
45:58
all these things, they didn't start yesterday, they started years ago.
46:02
You're exactly right.
46:03
And they don't show up until maybe a doctor diagnoses them.
46:09
But again, that's just when the diagnosis hit.
46:12
Mm-hmm.
46:12
But again, they've been probably brewing for a long time.
46:16
Yeah. So, it's interesting because you're not in a new space without stress.
46:20
The stress is still there. Both pathways are hard.
46:23
Both of them made you react differently, though.
46:26
You changed your behavior when you changed your environment, and you're better for
46:31
it. So there's some level of,
46:34
I wouldn't say full balance is achievable.
46:37
I always strive for it, but I think you're a lot closer doing
46:43
exactly what you're doing.
46:44
Yeah. I would agree.
46:46
I would agree. Nothing's ever perfect.
46:48
It's not real.
46:50
Nothing's ever perfect. Even to be perfect is not a real thing.
46:54
Mm-hmm.
46:54
But as you transition, you have more, say,
46:59
freedom financially or with your time. You get to make those conscious choices.
47:05
Yes.
47:05
A fresh grad doctor probably doesn't have those choices in the beginning because
47:10
they're, again, trying to figure out life and their lifestyle-
47:13
That was tough, right?
47:14
... their work-
47:14
Post-grad
47:15
... schedule.
47:15
To just jump in.
47:16
Yeah.
47:16
Now you can make decisions. You're like, "Wait, what?"
47:20
Yeah. I was like, "I finally have money.
47:23
Am I flying to Vegas to go party this weekend, or am I going to pick up extra
47:26
shifts? Because I'm still in credit card debt from residency."
47:29
I was a little bit of both.
47:30
"I don't know what I'm going to do." Yeah, I was a little bit of both.
47:33
Yeah.
47:33
And
47:35
so now that you have more time, or I should say, I am fortunate
47:41
enough to have that time and be able to make those decisions.
47:45
The stress hasn't gone away. It's changed. It's morphed.
47:48
Yeah.
47:49
I've found new ways to cope with it, deal with it,
47:52
handle it a lot better.
47:55
Mm-hmm.
47:55
And I think it's just one of those things you just grow into, and I don't know,
47:58
maybe I've matured a lot more since my 30s.
48:01
You are 40 now. It kicks in at a different level.
48:04
I know, right?
48:06
I've got some grays coming in.
48:08
Yes.
48:08
I don't know. It's one of those things, hey, again, I'm trying to
48:14
just live a fulfilling life with interesting stories that my kids are going to be
48:19
proud of, of who I am and what I do, even when I'm not there.
48:23
It's like that integrity component, and
48:26
again, at the end of the day something happens, oh well.
48:29
And I guess one of the other big things about medicine is I'm not stressing over
48:35
the decisions that impact someone's life anymore.
48:38
Mm-hmm.
48:38
The decisions that I stress over are like, "Do I go fix this machine?
48:42
Do I go do this? What do I do with this employee?" It's not like a life or death
48:46
sort of thing. Not every decision in medicine's life or death, but that decision
48:51
weighs on you more heavily.
48:54
Yeah.
48:54
And I feel like that stress load has kind of lifted.
48:58
Yeah.
48:58
I don't go home at night and wonder, "Hey, did I order the right meds for this
49:01
patient?" Or, "Hey, I wonder if that patient-"
49:03
Yeah
49:03
... "is okay anymore." I'm kind of removed from that.
49:05
Yeah. That is beautiful. I can see how that would be liberating.
49:13
Yeah.
49:13
Yeah. It is liberating. And still, it's funny because some of my friends will ask,
49:18
"Are you going to come back and work as a doctor?" I'm like, "Yeah, I kind of would
49:21
love to go still use that skillset." But I find it crazy that I still use the same
49:27
skillsets as a doctor in business.
49:31
The empathy part, the critical thinking-
49:35
Ooh, you're right
49:35
... being a diagnostician. You still use it all in business.
49:41
Yes.
49:41
It's just I'm just using it in a different form.
49:43
Yes. That's a great point. I guess I am, too, in a sense.
49:47
Yeah.
49:49
It's people. We're managing people.
49:51
The clients are people, the employees are people, and that's the skill that we were
49:57
given.
50:00
That's actually probably the biggest skill a physician has is their empathy and
50:04
their ability to connect-
50:05
Yeah
50:05
... develop rapport, walk in their shoes-
50:08
Yes
50:08
... understand, relate, communicate important things-
50:12
Mm-hmm
50:12
... analyze data, and come up with a diagnosis and a treatment
50:18
plan.
50:19
Mm-hmm.
50:19
You can replace all those words for a business
50:23
whatever word.
50:25
Mm-hmm.
50:25
But you have what I call, it's like you have an MBA
50:31
without knowing it.
50:31
Mm-hmm.
50:31
You have the skillset. You're obviously smart.
50:35
You went to med school, you graduated, you finished residency, you retained a lot
50:39
of knowledge, you passed your boards.
50:41
Yeah.
50:42
So you are capable. And I tell that to a lot of physicians, too.
50:45
You are way more capable than just being a doctor.
50:47
Again, don't stick in that one lane.
50:49
You can do a lot more things-
50:51
Love that
50:51
... if you just put your mind to it.
50:53
Yeah.
50:54
Again, I don't blame them. You've worked so hard, you've spent
50:59
four years in college, four years in med school, say four years residency, and it's
51:03
like 12 years have gone by.
51:04
Mm-hmm.
51:04
Maybe you want to check out for a year or two, but if you want to check out till
51:07
you're 65, I can't help you. That's just who you are as a person.
51:12
Yeah.
51:12
And so again, and it's not a wrong choice.
51:15
You've just got to be able to live with that risk that you're taking.
51:17
Exactly. I don't know if you can hear that phone ringing. I'm sorry.
51:21
I don't know where it's ringing from.
51:26
No, it's fine. I don't hear anything.
51:26
I would fix it, but I don't know how to do it. I'm not touching anything.
51:31
Yeah.
51:31
Yeah. No, that's powerful, because people are scared.
51:34
They're scared to take the jump. They're scared to change their lives because it's
51:38
the devil that you know.
51:39
Yeah.
51:39
The fear of change is real. Change
51:44
itself is scary. It doesn't feel natural,
51:50
but plowing forward anyway, it's worth it, taking the leap.
51:58
Yeah. Even just doing a new hobby, it's scary to people.
52:03
Yeah.
52:03
Meeting new people now. I'm 40, and I have social anxiety.
52:08
I wouldn't call it social anxiety-
52:10
Never know
52:10
... it's like meeting new people, it feels tough, joining a new friend circle,
52:14
going to go play pickleball with you.
52:16
That's a highly social sport.
52:17
Playing with someone like you're doing it for the first time.
52:19
Yeah. You're exactly right.
52:21
And so you put yourself in a situation-
52:22
Yeah
52:22
... you've got to do it. You're not going to know, and you'll never know until you
52:26
try. And again, if you fail, at least you learn something or learn something about
52:30
yourself and you grew as a person.
52:31
Absolutely. Yeah. That's part of it. Last question for you.
52:37
I know you have a lot to do.
52:40
Sure.
52:41
Have you done any of these specialty labs to see what your biological age is, and
52:45
what do you think about that?
52:49
I haven't. I've been curious about that.
52:51
You see a lot of stuff about these peptides and all these other things.
52:55
I think it's actually a really fascinating space because now you have AI doing
53:01
drug discovery. You can analyze data and huge pools of data, and
53:07
it's something that I'm optimistic on the future of healthcare in that
53:13
sense because all these new things are going to come out.
53:17
My one thing is I just hope the data is different, but I hope people don't become
53:22
dependent on the drugs.
53:24
Yeah.
53:24
It still takes hard work. It still takes going to the gym-
53:27
Yes
53:27
... eating right, practicing mental stability and all those things because a pill
53:32
can't fix all those things. But maybe a pill can help supplement, like these new
53:37
GLP-1s have come out and stuff like that. I am curious to do it.
53:43
I haven't done it myself. I've been telling my wife maybe next year we'll go to
53:48
Turkey and just do a full body medical certification and something.
53:50
We have it here. You don't need to go to Turkey. I'll send you a kit.
53:55
Well, I was thinking of... Yeah, send me one. It'd be interesting.
53:58
I would like to just try it because it's nice to have your basic
54:03
metabolic panel.
54:05
Mm-hmm.
54:05
You got your cholesterol panel, your A1C, but that's all we track.
54:09
Yeah.
54:09
There's probably a lot more. There's inflammation markers that we can-
54:12
Enzymes
54:13
... Yeah, there's so much more that we haven't discovered.
54:16
Telomeres.
54:16
Yeah, and-
54:18
And it's like, why aren't we doing this?
54:21
Well, we're not doing this for every patient-
54:23
Mm-hmm
54:23
... because it costs money, and it's expensive.
54:26
Insurance companies-
54:26
Yeah
54:26
... aren't going to pay for it yet. Maybe they will in the future if they start to
54:30
hone in more on-
54:31
Mm-hmm
54:32
... wellness. And I can see that being a huge industry, and it's already exploding
54:36
and it's growing. Like I said, I feel like the younger population is going to be a
54:41
lot more healthier than,
54:44
say, the baby boomers and Gen X that are kind of getting up there now.
54:49
But I would like to explore that and probably do a couple of tests just to kind of
54:53
see, because again, I do it now, maybe do it again when I'm 45 and then do it when
54:57
I'm 50, and it'd be fun to say, "Hey, I'm 40, but
55:02
my metabolic or my body's biological age is 30."
55:06
Well, that is what I say.
55:09
I'm like, "Ah, woo!"
55:09
So you know what? Okay. So I do it-
55:11
Yeah
55:11
... every three months. Fun fact, I'll just freely share, and when I graduated from
55:16
residency, that was the first time that I started it, and I read some article, and
55:21
I saw it was published by Harvard, and I want to say it was True
55:26
Diagnostic Health is the brand that I used.
55:30
And I was
55:33
so stressed. I was in the worst, I would say, health of my life. Excuse me.
55:39
And
55:41
I was 55. It breaks it down into organ system. 55.
55:47
Oh, wow.
55:47
55. And I'm like,
55:50
it's math. It tells you how it arrives at all of these conclusions about your age,
55:56
and it's pooled off of several thousands of different people.
56:01
It is a database, right? So that's what it's pooling from and doing some
56:04
calculation.
56:06
Yeah.
56:06
And it's predictive. It has probability language.
56:11
So-
56:12
Yeah
56:12
... now that we're here, I'm 39.
56:15
How do you-
56:16
And I'm happy with that.
56:17
Yeah.
56:17
We're just working on it. But-
56:20
You're working on trying to bring it down near my year
56:23
... yeah. I want to be 55 again.
56:26
Not to the actual age, but yeah.
56:29
No.
56:29
You don't want to be there.
56:30
I was just like, "We have to change everything."
56:32
You don't want to be there.
56:32
And I did, and so my behaviors changed as a result of that data.
56:37
So for me, that feedback is very helpful.
56:40
And even for the food changes that I've made, I do the microbiome testing, and I do
56:46
the microbiome support with-
56:48
Mm-hmm
56:49
... Biome. I know there's a lot of brands out there, but I found I kind of like
56:52
their style of the information and their price point.
56:59
Yeah. Again, I'm so optimistic on the future of medicine.
57:05
I would say I'm pessimistic on the old school-
57:08
Me too. It's so bad
57:09
... stuff that we have learned.
57:13
I feel like it's outdated, and when the times are changing so fast and so
57:19
rapidly, medicine stays on this linear progression of change while the world
57:25
is now becoming exponential, and medicine-
57:29
It's not
57:29
... is not keeping up. So that's why you see all these supplements and all these
57:32
new testing that's all off the shelf, kind of not covered.
57:37
I wish it was covered because I think people should get it.
57:39
Yeah.
57:40
You should
57:41
know. Go and-
57:43
Yeah
57:43
... get your test done, and see what you are and track it, because that could be,
57:48
again, it's predictive of maybe you'll have a heart attack when you're 50-
57:52
Yes
57:53
... or hey, you're in good shape. Maybe you got to work on your bone density
57:57
because-
57:57
It'll tell you
57:57
... you're going to get a hip fracture.
58:00
Yeah.
58:01
Mm-hmm.
58:01
Things like that. It's so cool. I really wish I had the knack more-
58:06
Mm-hmm
58:06
... so for that.
58:08
I considered pursuing medical type of businesses because I was
58:14
leaving-
58:14
Mm-hmm
58:14
... Kaiser, and you have kind of a non-compete when you work for a big HMO.
58:20
So I was like, "Oh yeah, maybe I'll start doing these other things." I just haven't
58:23
had the time to really be like, "Oh yeah, I'm going to go explore such and such and
58:28
do my own med spa or wellness clinic, medical clinic."
58:31
Hey, at least you're having fun-
58:32
And I'm happy
58:32
... and you're making a lot of money doing it, so I love that for you.
58:36
Your health has benefited. Your family-
58:39
Thank you
58:39
... has benefited from this change.
58:41
So I hope it's an inspiration to other people listening because it's hard to do
58:46
what you've done. It is near impossible to do what you've done. It's brave.
58:53
Thank you. I hope to inspire or hope we are inspiring-
58:57
Yeah
58:57
... other physicians. Again, you're just not a doctor.
59:00
Yeah.
59:00
You can do a lot more, and you shouldn't just define yourself by a single paycheck
59:05
that you're getting every two weeks. Yeah, you have the doctor title, great.
59:11
Yeah.
59:11
Go do something cool now. Go-
59:15
... conquer whatever world that you-- Go climb whatever mountain you want to climb.
59:20
Yeah.
59:20
It doesn't have to make money, but do something that helps you, benefits you, helps
59:24
you with your mental stress.
59:27
Again, we are way more capable as physicians of doing more things than we ever were
59:33
able to-
59:34
Yes
59:34
... in the years before. So again, that's the one message I could leave people.
59:39
Just go out and-
59:40
Go for it. Yes
59:41
... go at it. Just go after it.
59:42
I love it.
59:43
Yeah. The worst thing that's ever going to happen is you're still-
59:47
Yeah
59:47
... a doctor at the end of the day. You're not going to lose your license-
59:51
Crazy
59:51
... unless you do something sketchy.
59:52
Yeah, don't be sketchy.
59:53
Don't. Yeah.
59:56
Don't be sketchy. Yeah, but again, go for it. Do it.
59:59
You might as well because again, you're not going to get that chance-
1:00:02
Right
1:00:02
... when you're 70. At that point, you're playing life-
1:00:05
Yes
1:00:05
... safer. You don't want to take those risks.
1:00:07
I love that.
1:00:07
But take it now.
1:00:07
I couldn't agree more. Well, thank you so much, Dr. J.
1:00:10
I appreciate your time, your energy, sharing your experience, your life.
1:00:15
Let's do this again sometime. And I'm going to send you a kit.
1:00:21
Yeah, no problem.
1:00:21
We'll see your actual biological age.
1:00:21
I appreciate it. Thank you. It's been great hanging out and talking to you. Yeah.
1:00:27
If it's higher than 40, don't post it.
1:00:29
Maybe when you're done and yours to share, I would love to see the results either
1:00:32
way.
1:00:36
Awesome. No, thank you for having me.
1:00:37
It's been fun, and I hope we-
1:00:39
Definitely
1:00:39
... can do it again soon.
1:00:39
All right. Talk to you later. Bye.
1:00:43
All right. Take care. Bye-bye.