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Is Draymond Green the DIRTIEST player in NBA history? · NY's Sports Loud Mouth (VIDEO)

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Ladies and gentlemen, we are now talking to former New York
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Giants tight end Howard Cross. Howard, what's up, buddy?
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How we doing tonight? We're good, man.
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And you know what, it's so crazy because my father, my father
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passed away. My father's first name was
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Howard. So I like the name.
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I Could I call you Howie? Could I call you that?
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No. All right.
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I was just trying. I was trying to see if we had
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some kind of connection there, but obviously we don't.
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Howard. Obviously, the New York Giants
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made some interesting moves this offseason and one of them was
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bringing in while firing, firing Brian Dabel in the middle of the
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season, giving Kafka the opportunity to earn the coaching
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job. He failed to do that and we knew
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that the Giants were not and Joe Shane was not going to bring in
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Kafka. No way the Giant fans would be
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happy with that. So what did they do?
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Well, John Harbaugh, obviously, while they said he stepped down
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or they decided to part ways them in the Baltimore Ravens,
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John Harbaugh was available. There were a couple of coaches
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that they were interested in, but they landed arguably the
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best coach in free agency. What were your thoughts when
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they landed John Harbaugh? Do you think he's the right guy
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for the job? Well, he definitely, you know,
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speaks to the right game and in a very winning tradition as a
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great history being with the Ravens.
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I think they, the way they built their team, teams, the way they
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played that the type of football they played was always exciting,
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very tough, very physical. Their defenses were always top
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notch. As the year went on, they
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depended on Lamar a lot, but they just didn't have enough
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weapons around them and in the receiving corps I think to make
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them get over that edge. But for the most part, very good
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team, very well coached team. They played hard every game.
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So the power structure that we see with with Joe Shane still
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getting GM reigns, they have to report to ownership is something
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that Errol and I were kind of questioning.
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Very jet like. Yeah, with other organizations
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that have had to do that in the past, now we're seeing actually,
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we're actually seeing the Ravens now do it too, or I think their
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new coach in Jesse Minter asked to do that same kind of thing
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with the Ravens. You think that's something that
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is a kind of a flawed structure or can you see that kind of
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thing working with with John Mayra and Joe Shane?
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I think, you know, it, it's probably, you know, Chris Mara
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is one of those guys that could have been a GM somewhere in the
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league, has been very closely working with the GM's in the
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past. And, and he's, you know, one of
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the owners as well. John's legendary owner, always
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on all the competition committees got, you know, got,
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you know, bless him and hopefully, you know, continue,
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continue to help as he as he goes through his, his moment.
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But I think just being able to report directly to the to the
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owner when the owner is kind of in football a little bit kind of
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part of those decisions behind the curtains when it comes down
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to being in the, in the draft rooms and, and who we're
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selecting and why we're selecting and, and people that
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are on the ground. You got even Timmy McDonald is
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one of the one of the family members that is part of that
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part of that crew as well. So it's not so much that they're
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going above or around Joe Shane. That is going right to the to,
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you know, to the root. We are talking to former New
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York Giants tight end Howard Cross, played for the Giants
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from 1989 to 2001, one Super Bowl 25.
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You know, Jackson Dart has had a sensational year.
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He's a young quarterback, had the opportunity to take over I
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think in Week 4 and slowly but surely became a pretty good
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quarterback. When you have now a new
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offensive coordinator and a new coach, how do you think this
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will work? How does how do you think John
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Harbaugh will completely change his thoughts as a quarterback on
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what we seen under Brian Dabel? I think you guys, you look at it
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from that standpoint of no, no Malik neighbors.
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That's that's what you look at it from.
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You have have a guy that is is on the field that demands
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tremendous amount of attention that can play and he goes down
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and Jackson dart basically comes in right almost at the same
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time. So he's playing without his
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number one receiver. Robinson became a a pretty
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great, pretty good talent. The tight ends try to hold up
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and stay in there for him. But he he didn't have a guy that
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that dominated the field where people were like scared of the
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entire time and that's why he saw Jackson running a lot.
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How does he look next year? Hopefully neighbors comes back
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healthy. Hopefully they they find another
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guy in the draft that can stand on the other side of the field
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as neighbors and you know, the tight ends pick it up a little
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bit more and, and the running game picks it up.
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And then you you have a quarterback that's talented with
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his legs to make good decisions with the ball.
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You got to find a couple offers for lineman because some of
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those guys are free agents. They may not be back next year.
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So there are a lot of holes in the offense that they're going
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to have to plug and and fix. But you know, As for a
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quarterback, they, I think they may have got their guy. $11
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million they have to spend in the offseason unless they move
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Dexter Lawrence. There were a lot of thoughts
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that maybe this offseason that's what they're going to try to do.
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They there was a couple of things going on this year with
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Dexter Lawrence and somebody in, you know, when it comes to the
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Giants analyst, I'm not going to mention a name.
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You know, I'm talking about back and forth banter between Dexter
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Lawrence and somebody. He gave his take on the way
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Dexter Lawrence was playing and Dexter Lawrence obviously was
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hurt this year. He's making a lot of money.
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Do you see the Giants maybe trying to trade him in the
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offseason or do they decide maybe to keep him and and run it
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back this year with a new new regime, new defensive
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coordinator? A lot of factors that go in
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that, you know, I think Dexter, whatever was was tricep or
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elbow, I don't think it ever healed.
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I think, you know, if you needed surgery the year before, he
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probably should have gotten it. I think he tried to rehab it and
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then come and play with it. I was at training camp a few
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times or or probably a lot more times than I think and never saw
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him be like really participate full, full go at at practice
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because and they're trying to protect his his elbow.
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Make sure he was or whatever injury it was upper body and to
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make sure he was ready to go for the season.
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I don't think he can. You can play yourself into shape
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during the season. Dexter was a guy that was
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historically and notoriously playing 75% of the reps He went
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from 75% of the reps, so maybe 45% of the reps And and even
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then he didn't feel he didn't look like he was as effective.
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So moving him, you know, other teams are going to be looking at
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that, you know, his production, his time on the field, all these
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different things went down. He's going to have to pass a
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physical. So if you're moving them, what
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are you going to move them for? Who's I'm sure they'll still be
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teams that really want him. And if he does go somewhere and
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he goes, he gets healthy, he could be that guy that's the
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double digit stat guy from the interior line.
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That'll be something that would be horrible to see if he goes
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somewhere else. But for him, it's going to be
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it's going to be 1. Is he want to, you know, show
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everybody that he is the same guy that he was a couple years
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ago? Or is he going to, you know,
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come back and want more money and hey, you know, I'm healthier
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now. You're going to see kind of guy.
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It's more of a proven moment for for Dexter than it is for the
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Giants. So whoever is this
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representation is, they got to find out or get him somewhere to
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get him as healthy as possible and get him ready to go.
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I will say this, I did say Ernie Banks and Ernie Banks was a
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great running back. If I'm not mistaken, I went from
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Carl Banks. Ernie Banks saw, I remember
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because I watched the Ernie Banks story a couple of days ago
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on a documentary on YouTube. So I kind of crossed names.
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I want to apologize to Carl because we're we're working on
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getting Carl in the shell. So my apologies.
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Go ahead, Speedy. All right.
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Yeah, I want to go back to what I was saying about the the cap
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situation there in $11 million. If it's not Dexter Lawrence,
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like who do you think could be the biggest casualties?
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Could it be Thibodeau maybe gets traded?
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Could it be one of those secondary pieces?
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They paid a lot in the offseason, maybe with a new
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defensive coordinator. Do they move one of them or do
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you think they go to a different direction?
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I know you think about the cap in that aspect.
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I think of it in the aspect of you need, you need, you probably
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need 2 receivers, right? You're going to need a guy
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that's going to stand on the opposite side of neighbors.
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You're going to need that guy that was probably going to be
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the slot guy because Robinson is probably going to demand a lot
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of money and you're going to need a tackle because maybe
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Jermaine Luminor may not be back.
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You know, his contracts up played really well for the team
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last year or even through getting banged up, played really
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well. If he's gone and maybe one of
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the offensive interior offensive lineman could be gone, then you
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got questions. You know, you're talking about
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how you're going to get money for the cap and who you're going
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to let go. Thibodeau didn't finish the
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season, right? He they put him on IR.
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They put him on IR to protect him.
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So if they want to move him, if they put him on IR because there
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wasn't a lot left to play for, they just want to protect him
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that way. Either way, you know, he wasn't
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in in the game. Dexter was playing typical
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wasn't that's the decision made. That's above my pay grade.
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I don't ask those questions. So so you got that problem when
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you guys talk about the secondary guys, you have two
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guys that were decent. They were they came in in the
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Debo and and and and was the other Holland.
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The the both guys played effectively but got banged up in
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the season at the same time. And still, you know, they were
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less effective as as a year after they came back.
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So that's partially because they're, you know, the injury,
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they're trying to protect themselves probably a little bit
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because they want to have a longer career.
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They need to know if they're going to need surgery in the
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offseason versus can I just rest and rehab it.
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So you, you got to decide what the money there or what you're
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going to do with that. How do you save money in the
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cap? If you give, if you let Dexter
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go, that's a big, you know, that's a big budget to the cap,
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more money to the cap. If you let Thibodeau go before
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you have to give him that big payday, that's not as much
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towards the cap. It's just you let him go before
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you give him the big payday. Cam Scataboo got injured in the
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middle of the season. A lot of Giant fans were loving
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him. They were trying to compare him
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to Saquon Barkley. Let's let's be honest, he's not
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Saquon Barkley, but he's he's a fun player to root for.
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He's a headbanger. That's the type of player that
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he is. I usually those guys don't last
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too long in the NFL. Do you think Cam Scataboo is
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going to be ready for the season and is he going to be the same
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elusive player he was early this season for the New York Giants?
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I think he will. I think, you know, terrible
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dislocation, watching it happen and everything.
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It felt bad for him. But watch him walk right around
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in a little scooter thing for a little bit and then right after
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that you see him walking and jumping on the sidelines.
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In the last two games. He's out of the scooter.
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He's out, out of the boot. He's already, you know, pretty
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far along in his rehab. So yeah, I think what a full,
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full rehab session this offseason.
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I think he comes back and he's the same guy and I think that,
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you know, he'll be even better probably because he'll be a
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little hungrier knowing that he had a little success, had to
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wait a little bit to get in the game.
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And when he got in, people were excited about him.
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He's a high energy guy. He runs really hard.
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Injury that he had wasn't kind of based on how he ran.
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It's just a freak thing. The way he landed.
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He's going to come back in, he's going to be more excited.
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He's going to be more the same because he's going to prove
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himself and he's just, and especially with the idea that
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they could draft the back or, or is he going to be another back
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coming in and he's, you know, I, I got injured like he's still
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got proof. So he wasn't the first pick and
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and his it wasn't the first round pick.
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He wasn't a second round pick. He was a little later in the
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draft. So there's always, you know,
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room for improvement and he's going to want to improve himself
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greatly to make sure he solidifies his position as a
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running back for the team. You were speaking about the
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draft and the Giants are drafting at #5 this year.
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Now there's a lot of positions they need to fill in.
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Maybe an offensive lineman, maybe a wide receiver fever to
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add on the other side of the field to your your other beast
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of a man who is coming out with an injury.
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Tate's the guy that everybody keeps talking about.
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Do you think Tate would fit this kind of offense?
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Do you think that he's an option for the New York Giants at #5?
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He could be, you know, I think he's explosive player.
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I think when you think about guys you want guys that that
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make plays like all over the field.
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He's a guy that can go get the ball down the field deep.
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He can, he runs great routes inside Tate.
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He can do a lot and you want a guy like that, but is that too
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high to draft him? You know that That's the
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question that I'd have. I'm like, is he, is he a player
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that is he going to come out and going to be the the 5th best
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player in the draft? You know, there may be a couple
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guys taking, you know, one and two that you know, number one,
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of course Mendoza's going to go #2 no one knows who's that's
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going to be, whether it's going to be the kid from Oregon or, or
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somebody else, or it could it be one that one, the one the edge
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rushers or the line from Utah. So you know, if one of those
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guys, if the guys start to fall because you're starting to draft
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for need in the first 3 or 4 picks, then you might have an
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option for, for, you know, a bigger, bigger rank, a higher
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ranked player. It depends on how high they have
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tight ranked. I want to shift gears a little
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bit. You played with a coach that got
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a got snubbed out of the Hall of Fame last week and Bill
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Belichick not being a first ballot Hall of Famer, arguably
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the greatest coach ever obviously was your defensive
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coach when they you guys won the Super Bowl.
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What what was your thoughts of that?
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What was your reaction to all that with the Hall of Fame
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winners kind of holding him back?
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It's a little bit of hypocrisy and idiot.
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See, if you're judging guys, you judge guys by what they did on
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the field. If they didn't do anything to
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really like, you know, the other thing that I would say that if
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they're going to go at him, they're going to go at him like
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the flake gate or something like that.
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I think that would be the thing they're they're trying to hold
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over his head. That could be the only way they
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could they could use, you know, something against him.
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But outside of that, one of the greatest, if not the greatest
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professional head coach that ever lived.
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Not, you know, not that take anything away from the landries
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of the world or the shulers of the world, but literally one of
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the best minds, you know, motivators, schemers, everything
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that that ever had anything to do with with NFL football coach.
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Some of the greatest when you think about guys that are, how
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would I say this huge personalities coaching on
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Lawrence Taylor and and being able to be around him and and
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then have him on point game in game out.
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Harry Carson. You're coaching that guy who's
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like, you know, he's a beast and and then people are looking at
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him like almost like he's a coach on the field.
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Being able to come in and be a head coach when you were like a
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special teams guy a year or two before and, and demand these
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guys attention and go win in the Super Bowl against the Broncos.
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Like those are things that people don't really understand
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and can see. Like he did a whole lot in the
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beginning as a defensive coordinator with the Giants,
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even before he got to New England and and got and don't
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take a throwaway luck into Tom Brady because Brady maybe never
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would have seen the fields or just didn't knock him out, knock
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their quarterback out of the game.
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Thank you. So thank you.
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I'm a Jets fan, so thank you. Making me sick even more.
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Thank you. Howard, Howard.
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It was funny. I've only been in one Jets game
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in a lot in my life and it was 20, 15.
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They actually did a pregame ceremony ottering MO Lewis.
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Oh man, I'm bored, MO. Be quiet, speedy.
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I love MO, too. I also love when he knocked out
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Drew Bledsoe and almost punctured his lung.
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And then we see Tom Brady, Mr. Pretty Boy, get on the football
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field and make me sick to my stomach.
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It really does. We are talking to former New
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York Giants Titan Howard Cross, played from 1989 to 2001, one
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Super Bowl 25. Howard, there's another coach
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and we met him a couple of times, Tom Coughlin, IA.
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Lot of people don't give this guy enough respect.
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The Giants didn't, that's for sure.
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And I remember when the Giants parted ways with him, when he
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for Ben McAdoo, by the way, and he asked the Giants that year,
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give me some defensive lineman and I'll win you another Super
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Bowl. No, they didn't do that.
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They eventually parted ways with Tom Coughlin, hired Ben McAdoo.
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And what did they do? They gave him defensive lineman.
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Ben McAdoo had one good season. The Giants went to the playoffs.
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Oh, and I remember that wonderful Odell Beckham hang out
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with Justin Bieber, which everybody remembers the Giants
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did before the playoffs. And a lot of people thought,
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hey, Ben McAdoo, if you knew how to control his team, you know,
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Tom Coughlin wouldn't have allowed that.
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If Tom Coughlin was there. What were your thoughts to the
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New York Giants when they decided to part ways with Tom
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Coffin? Do you think they did him dirty?
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I'm not doing him dirty. I just think that, you know,
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when, when whoever's making the decision with coaches and and
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GMSGMS, today's GM's, they, they don't live on success.
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They don't, they don't understand how to live on
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success. And some teams do, like
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Pittsburgh is a team that keeps one coach for decades, you know,
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but those coaches have great success.
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They always are winning games or have winning seasons and and
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they go into the playoffs. Kaufman misses the playoffs a
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couple times and all of a sudden he's a bad coach.
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The guy won two Super Bowls within, you know, 5 or 6 years
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of each other. You want to keep that guy in the
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house as long as you possibly can.
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When you make a decision to go for from him to somebody else,
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you go to MC. It's not that the guy was a bad
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coach that you went to. The problem is that the guy that
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you left was basically going to be a Hall of Fame coach.
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So you're you're replacing with a guy who's never been a head
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coach and you're expecting the guy who's never been a head
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coach to come in demand the same kind of respect or maybe Thomas
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too hard on the players. Now you're talking about what
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how can we get player? How can we get the players more
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discipline? I think it's kind of funny that
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you know it go I watch a lot of teams do it.
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There are a lot of coaches that are 1 and done like why'd you
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hire him if he's one and done? Like coaching is a very, you
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know, a thankless job. If you look at it, they're
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they're right above referee unless, unless they're winning
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playoff games like you can, you can be in and out in a second.
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Eli Manning has been up for a Hall of Fame not once, but two
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years has missed out. He's going to miss out this
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year. It doesn't look like he's on the
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ballot. Well, he's on the ballot, but
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he's it doesn't look like he's going to be voted in your
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thoughts to Eli Manning's career, do you think he's a
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first ballot Hall of Famer and why?
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I think it's kind of funny when people people, they dislike
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certain players, they dislike Eli.
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Eli when he retired was a top 10 passer, right?
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He may have been even higher than that.
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He may have been in the. Top five?
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He's top five, actually. Yeah, yeah, top five, all right.
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Two time Super Bowl MVP, two times, not only the Super Bowl
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MVP, but beats the greatest player that that the NFL will
20:14
save was like when it comes down to Super Bowls and Tom Brady, he
20:18
beats the GOAT twice, outplays him twice.
20:23
And now when it's it's time up, people like, well, he he threw
20:25
too many interceptions. Well, if you don't have a great
20:29
offensive line, you got to throw some interceptions.
20:31
But when it's time to win, he won.
20:34
Should he be a Hall of Famer? Yes, Should have been the first
20:36
ballot Hall of Famer. Yes, those numbers, 2 Super Bowl
20:40
MVPS you like, you're going to let guys in for a lot less just
20:45
because you don't like him. They all shucks.
20:46
And it's Eli, always Peyton's brother, always Archie's son.
20:50
He wouldn't get that kind of recognition.
20:52
Any any, any quarterback is a two time MVP, beating the
20:56
greatest player to ever play, taking his team to the playoffs
21:00
even though he had some bad seasons.
21:01
But when he had a chance to have a good season, he did it and he
21:04
literally walked the team in and carried him a couple times into
21:07
the playoffs. The road Warriors, you would say
21:10
he he's done it. He proved it.
21:12
They proved it in the biggest spots.
21:13
You have other quarterbacks in in in the Hall of Fame that
21:17
don't have any Super Bowl wins. So I'm just saying that the guy
21:21
was like one of the top passers in in history two time Super
21:26
Bowl MVP. Yes, he should be in.
21:28
I don't know what the bias is against him.
21:30
A great player. And I'm not just saying that
21:32
because he's a giant. If you played on any other team,
21:34
I would still give him the same kudos because that's he achieved
21:37
the things that you want to achieve, you know, being
21:39
dominant in an era. And I know they're saying he's
21:42
not he wasn't dominant because there was you know, Peyton was
21:44
still playing and and Brady was still playing.
21:46
They were putting up all these numbers like, OK, but when
21:49
Brainy wasn't winning the Super Bowl, Eli's won the Super Bowl.
21:51
We have guys that are down in San Francisco right now and not
21:56
down, oh, you know, West of San Francisco right now in the LA
21:59
area. So I, I've been keeping tabs on
22:02
them and making sure that they're doing the right thing.
22:04
And so it's been a long day. I'm writing, I'm writing for our
22:08
website. It's, it's a lot of stuff, man.
22:10
We, we got to, we got to be on top of things.
22:12
Howard, come on, you're an analyst.
22:14
Big time of the year for you. Howard, you are.
22:16
You are. You're here for me.
22:17
I'm here for you. Howard I mean, like, we, we, we
22:20
got to be buddies here. I mean, you played it.
22:23
Yeah, we, we got this the first time I'm meeting you and talking
22:25
to you. And it it, it it's, it's it
22:28
feels like we're we've known each other for a very long time
22:30
out. So anyways, I I want to get into
22:35
the NFC ES. The NFC ES and the Philadelphia
22:39
Eagles are going to be good next year.
22:40
Well, they're going to have a new offensive coordinator.
22:43
The Washington Commanders have not the same offensive
22:47
coordinator, but they're going to have Jaden Daniels back.
22:51
He should be better. And I do believe the Cowboys are
22:54
going to be much better. They have a lot of money to
22:56
spend. They didn't pay Michael Parsons.
22:57
They have a ton of draft stock, and they're probably going to
23:00
start to probably resign George Pickens.
23:03
Where do you see the Giants next year in this division?
23:08
I don't know if the Eagles make a step forward this year.
23:10
I think they've they've they've played as as far up as they
23:13
could the last two years. And I'm not saying that because
23:15
I'm not against the Eagles or anything.
23:17
I think Jalen is a is an incredible player.
23:20
I got to have like a APHD in quarterback in because he's had
23:23
a different offensive coordinator, I think ever since
23:26
he's been in college. So now, so to keep learning
23:28
systems over and over and over again, you're never going to be
23:31
truly great if you have to learn a new system every year.
23:35
I think that's going to be a problem for them.
23:37
I think their offensive line played really well the Super
23:39
Bowl year. They took a little bit of a step
23:42
back last year. So that's going to hurt them as
23:45
they go forward. Maybe they'll get better because
23:46
they want to prove themselves. But usually, usually the thing
23:51
that that gets you over to the top is that you're really
23:53
healthy. And the healthiest they were was
23:56
two years ago when they won the Super Bowl.
23:58
Coming off losing the Super Bowl, just a year or so before
24:01
that, they were as healthy as they could ever be that year.
24:05
Last year, you saw the health, people getting injured, you
24:08
know, something a tweak here, a bang there, a couple weeks here,
24:13
a couple weeks there, and they never really got themselves on
24:16
track. And I think that beyond anything
24:19
else, people don't realize the health of a team helps them get
24:22
through every moment. They weren't healthy the entire
24:25
time. If they can figure that out,
24:27
then yes, they'll be back at the top of NFC as far as Washington
24:30
goes if they can't protect Jalen Daniels.
24:34
I mean kids are super talented kid.
24:36
He can throw the ball from any angle.
24:38
He's got great legs, everything. But if he's always scrambling
24:43
and always running it only. Luckily the injury was towards
24:47
upper body. I think it was a tricep or
24:50
something or dislocated his elbow on his non throwing arm.
24:53
But that's going to be on his mind from this point on.
24:56
He's going to be trying to figure out new ways to get down
24:59
and, and not get crushed by 3 or 4 four guys running the ball or
25:03
or trying to get out of the pocket and and extend to play.
25:06
You know, when you start getting hurt and getting hurt twice,
25:09
he's got a lot to think about. Like the first time he got hurt.
25:12
OK, I know he wants to play, but in the offseason, people are
25:15
going to be whispering to him, hey, man, why'd you go back in
25:17
the game? Why?
25:18
Why did you play again for the rest of the year?
25:20
Oh, I want to be with my teammates.
25:22
Yeah. How'd that work out?
25:23
You got to take care of yourself.
25:25
And he's going, that's going to be no matter what you say,
25:27
that's going to resonate. He's going to hear that a lot.
25:29
So I think that's going to bother them.
25:30
They got to get their defense kind of figured out and play a
25:33
little bit better defense. Olivia also.
25:35
And then you look at Dallas, love Dallas, always love Dallas
25:39
there, there. You know, Jerry's always got
25:41
something going on. The problem is he's going to
25:43
like redo his defense One, he's not going to be able to sign
25:47
Pickens. Pickens is going to want big
25:49
money and somebody's going to offer really big money.
25:52
Is Jerry going to go out of his way to overpay Pickens?
25:56
That's going to be an interesting question.
25:57
And it without Pickens, then their their offense looks
26:00
different. I mean, I love DAC, but you
26:03
know, that very looks different As far as the giants go, I think
26:07
with with being able to solid up the defense, if some if they
26:12
figure out how to complete a game from beginning to end
26:15
defensively, I think they're going to win, win a lot more
26:18
games. Now they're going to rank in it
26:20
in the east. Again, depends on Philadelphia's
26:22
health, depends on if they can protect my man down in
26:26
Washington. If they can do those two things,
26:28
you know, we're we're we're battling to be 3rd or 4th.
26:31
If they can't do those things, we're battling to be second,
26:34
maybe even 1st. And and that's not me being a
26:37
giants fan. That's just the way that the
26:39
that, you know, Philadelphia was the first team to won
26:42
back-to-back NC E titles and God knows how long.
26:46
So yeah, it's it's it's crazy the way it works out.
26:50
And again, this year we went into the season.
26:53
They're like, it's going to be a tough schedule.
26:54
God, you never know. And that's the season when I'm
26:56
like, Oh yeah, it's a tough schedule.
26:57
These guys are all good, you know, so you're not going to
27:00
catch that. It's bad next year.
27:01
It's still going to be tough. You play the AFC S they're not
27:04
the same AFC South as you remember, because the Colts look
27:08
a lot better. Jacksonville.
27:09
Somehow somebody found their found their way back to like, oh
27:13
wow, we can actually play football.
27:14
And of course Houston looks good every year.
27:17
So you got that, got that division to play against, you'll
27:21
figure it out. But the rest of divisions,
27:24
you'll get a chance at them to try to win some games.
27:26
But you're not going to you're not going to have to like beat
27:29
yourself up the entire season like you did last year because
27:31
last year was a tough schedule. I actually will.
27:34
You got to play, you have to play.
27:35
But we didn't have a New England schedule.
27:38
But we have a really good. Schedule Don't forget the tight
27:42
isn't that division Brian Davis revenge game.
27:45
And I like, I like that Howard said.
27:47
Dak Prescott. Because I love Dak, too.
27:49
And I think Dak is a great quarterback.
27:51
He doesn't get enough credit that he deserves.
27:54
I, I really, everybody likes to pick on him.
27:56
The Cowboy fans, the Giant fans. And by the way, Howard, you have
28:00
three Giant fans. My, my board up, my producer and
28:04
my executive producer right down there.
28:06
They're all Giant fans. I'm the only Jet fan sitting
28:09
here, so I listen to this garbage every single show.
28:13
Well, they're giants. Well, they're giants.
28:14
Well, they're giants. No, no, no, no, no.
28:17
That's all I hear. I will say this for you just to
28:20
just to give you, you know, to give you like perspective, and
28:22
someone asked, someone asked me the day that he got hired.
28:25
Oh, man, it's so great. Now we're going to win all these
28:28
games. Harbaugh's the guy.
28:29
He's going to like, listen, Harbaugh's not going to tackle
28:31
anybody. He's not going to catch a pass.
28:34
He's not going to block anybody. And I appreciate him.
28:37
You got to have bodies on the field for that coach to be a
28:41
great coach. If there are no bodies on the
28:43
field, I don't care who you are, you can bring back Vince
28:46
Lombardi and Belichick and clone them, put them together, mash
28:50
them together, make one coach. It is not going to change
28:53
anything. You got to have the bodies, you
28:55
know, and it and it's and and for the entire league.
28:57
It's getting tougher. NIL guys are coming in the
29:00
league with money transfer portal.
29:03
Guys have not stayed at the same place and had to grow and
29:07
develop as a player. I'm not playing.
29:09
I'll leave and go to another school like you don't.
29:12
You don't learn to be a football player.
29:13
And I listen to you guys talk about football a little bit
29:16
before when I was getting ready for the show.
29:19
The thing that you guys probably don't think about, and I'm not
29:22
AI, am an older guy I guess, but it's a real thing.
29:25
A lot of great athletes to play in the league today.
29:28
Holy smoke, I. Did I said that the.
29:31
Difference between that era and the era that I kind of came from
29:34
is that we were all, we were football players.
29:36
It's a big difference being a football player.
29:38
And that's what you're geared for mentally, emotionally.
29:41
Like, you know, I could have played basketball in college.
29:43
I could have ran track in college.
29:45
I could have done a lot of things in college.
29:46
Heck, I could even probably play baseball.
29:48
But I was a football player. It's like, and that's what my
29:51
mind was wrapped around. That's what my every all my
29:54
being was around. The way that they do things
29:56
today, it's tough for these guys.
29:58
They they're like these guys are not in facilities now.
30:01
They're scattered across America working out in really cool
30:05
workout facilities and carrying on.
30:07
I used to be in like it's the Super Bowl hadn't been played
30:10
yet. I'll be in the weight room
30:12
working out with Phil Simms watching film and stuff and
30:15
getting ready for it for the following season.
30:17
Not worried about the playoffs if we weren't in it or whatever
30:20
it just getting ready for what what came next.
30:23
They can't do that anymore. They blow them out of
30:26
facilities, they come back probably in April and then they
30:30
get started. Like that's not that's what
30:33
takes it away. That's where the athlete part of
30:35
it comes in instead of the football of it comes in.
30:38
Yeah, we actually had your teammate in Stephen Baker on a
30:40
few months ago and he was saying a lot of the same thing and that
30:42
was a big reason he wasn't a big fan of Odell backup at the time.
30:45
As freak athlete as he was, he sometimes he took it too far
30:48
points and he was actually very happy when they trained him at
30:51
the time. Baker and I disagree.
30:52
I love Odell. Great athlete.
30:54
Great, great, great football player.
30:56
Wanted to do more, wanted to return punts, wanted to wanted
30:59
the ball you know would would take a shot at you blocking if
31:03
you had, if you got a chance to hit you.
31:05
He was he was still cut from the same cloth.
31:06
They just didn't like the antics.
31:08
I didn't care. Personality.
31:09
I love personalities. Like be as funny as you want to
31:11
just keep making plays. If that was the Case, No one
31:13
would have liked the Lt. So, so you should be listening.
31:16
So you should be listening to our show because we have great
31:19
personality, my friend, a little crazy, a little weird.
31:22
And sometimes I, you know, I could be outlandishly crazy, but
31:25
we we give you our take and we give it to you straight.
31:28
You know, Jeremy Shockey, he got a lot of abuse and over the
31:32
years after he left the New York Giants.
31:34
And the one thing about you, you're you're one of the better
31:37
tight ends in NFL history when it comes to blocking.
31:41
Why do you think that hasn't become or hasn't been in as
31:46
important now than it was in the time that you were playing
31:50
blocking? When when I was playing the, the
31:53
probably the highest rate player on the, the offense was the
31:56
running back. Like, you know, you, you always
31:59
wanted an Emmitt Smith, a Barry Sanders, a a Walter Payton, A
32:04
Rodger, Rodger Craig, Eric Dickerson.
32:08
I can go on and on and on. These were the got.
32:10
These are how do we stop? How you stop Thurman Thomas?
32:13
How do you stop? There were Hall of Fame
32:14
receivers out there, but how do you stop the running game?
32:18
How do you how do you slow these guys down?
32:21
And it wasn't guys weren't throwing for 4000 yards a year.
32:25
You know, they just weren't doing it a 300 yard game.
32:28
And so you were playing from behind like the most of the
32:31
game. It the the game was, was really
32:34
the three yards in the cloud of dust kind of moment.
32:37
Tight ends, man caught a few passes like I had a great season
32:39
when you know, I think I caught like 38 passes.
32:41
They're like, man, you're a Pro Bowl tight end.
32:43
I'm like, I'm like, OK, whatever it was like the game was,
32:48
football was the entire game. Now we have a lot of seven O 7
32:54
Series all over. We have flag footballers come in
32:56
and I love flag football because it brings everybody closer to
32:59
the game. But the seven O 7, the spread,
33:02
the the flag football, that is the majority of what kids are.
33:08
They want to catch the ball, they want to be outside.
33:11
They don't they don't cherish or love contact.
33:14
This is like it's the fun part of the game.
33:16
It's what they're playing. It's it's the offensively gifted
33:20
part of the game. It's the defensively gifted.
33:22
An interception is great, not the sack of the quarterback.
33:28
It's the interception. Touchdown is great.
33:31
It it's not the catch for the first down, you know, it's the
33:34
catch and runs Yak, hey, all yards have to catch.
33:37
This is great. It's it's it's different.
33:39
It's you, you they throw you the ball net.
33:42
I would have caught in this era and I wasn't a great receiver.
33:46
I would have caught 6070 passes a year.
33:48
They can't hit you if you if I know for a fact that I can jump
33:54
up in the air and you're not going to hit me, I'm going to
33:57
catch it. You can't even.
33:59
Threaten me. You would run routes, have to go
34:03
over the middle there, you would have to know exactly where
34:06
everybody was on the field. You could get hit pretty hard,
34:10
like running. Lot did not care if he hit at
34:15
water, didn't care. You can get hurt out there.
34:19
You have to know where you were going.
34:20
I would be very bad. I would be very bad playing
34:23
quarterback. I'm very bad at sounding names
34:25
out. Very bad.
34:27
I would have to give you a nickname.
34:28
I would call instead of calling you how I'd be like Wee.
34:31
Wee. Like I would, I'd be horrible.
34:36
Medicine balls ourselves. You should go.
34:40
He's not paid to throw it to you.
34:42
He's paid to throw it near you. I'm like, it's near me, but it's
34:45
near that guy over there that's going to kill me.
34:47
Like, oh man, Howard, quickly, who do you have winning the
34:51
Super Bowl this year? I'm going to tell you guys I've
34:55
listened to you guys also talk about Sam Darnold and Drake May
34:57
Love both guys has nothing to do with either of them that both
35:02
guys need to just play very manage the game.
35:06
These two defenses are going to determine and I think right now
35:09
Seattle has the edge in the defensive department.
35:12
They have such a great defensive line.
35:13
They get pressure from every angle.
35:15
The linebackers are playing great.
35:17
Their secondary will shut you down.
35:20
You know, New England has a good receiver That's awesome.
35:25
Seattle has a great receiver also.
35:28
So, you know, it's it's they're pretty even the running game
35:32
almost even. But Seattle has a little bit of
35:34
the edge there. If they can figure out how to
35:37
slow or or prevent make it a dirty slow it down kind of game,
35:41
they might have a chance. But Seattle defense really,
35:45
really is going to be when they say the defense wins
35:48
championships, it definitely wins Super Bowls because Seattle
35:51
defense is going to be pretty phenomenal.
35:53
Not the New England's defenses isn't pretty good.
35:55
But Seattle's defenses, if if you watch them, especially
35:58
through the playoffs, they are they they look like they're
36:01
playing with 13 or 14 guys on the field.
36:03
Is this a better Seattle defense than the championship defense
36:06
that we saw with the Legion of Boom?
36:08
I think so when you think about upfront now they're secondary in
36:11
the Legion of Boom was that's what the Legion of Boom was.
36:13
They were still, you know, before they were just on the
36:16
edge of the the rule change and they were like laying the wood
36:20
on guys out there and you did not want to catch the ball over
36:23
the middle. You got cornerbacks at six foot
36:26
26 foot three playing on the edge.
36:27
Cam Chancellor Brown. Yeah.
36:30
Cam Chancellor, like, like, you know, Sherman, like they, they
36:33
they were like, like the secondary was Hall of Fame.
36:36
Yeah. So like, you know, the
36:37
linebackers Hall of Fame. It's hard to remember who was
36:41
playing in front of those guys. And that's not an insult to that
36:46
defense. It's just this group, there is
36:50
somebody at every level that you know what's going on and the guy
36:54
beside him and that was they're more complete.
36:57
It it, it doesn't get to be boomed because they're sacking
37:00
you. You don't get the ball up in the
37:03
air and get it down the field because they're probably sacking
37:05
your quarterback. He's running for his life and it
37:07
gives it gives quarterbacks for a hard time.
37:10
Howard. Howard, you should be down.
37:12
You should be over there in San Francisco selling some real
37:15
estate. That's what I heard you were
37:16
doing. You should be out there.
37:18
You should be going over there. Gronk, you want you want to buy
37:21
some houses? Come on.
37:21
Come to New. Jersey, come to New Jersey.
37:24
I'm just don't bring this in. With.
37:25
Me, I'm a commercial guy and that market is not the best
37:28
market. I don't mind working in
37:32
Manhattan. Well, they got money, every one
37:34
of them, so they'll, they'll, they'll spin the wheel and make
37:37
the deal, as we all know. But Howard, we really appreciate
37:40
you joining us. I know it's been busy for you
37:42
the offseason. You're doing such a great job.
37:44
You do a great job with the Giants and keep up the good
37:47
work. And we'd love to get you on
37:48
before the season starts. Alright, let me know man, I'll
37:51
be around. All right, Howard Cross, ladies
37:54
and gentlemen, give them a golf clap, Speedy God, give a nice a
37:57
nice golf clap it. Is.
38:00
It is we love. I listen.
38:01
I'm not a Giant fan, but when we get Giants on the show, I love
38:05
them because they're honest, they're straightforward, and
38:08
even though they're going to stick up for their teams, they
38:11
always do. They they understand that it
38:15
you're, you have to be honest, you got to go out there as a
38:17
Jeff fan. My team sucks.
38:19
Okay, they stink. And bringing in Frank Wright.
38:23
I, I hope it works. It probably is going to fail.
38:27
Aaron Glenn is going to get fired and then we're going to be
38:30
driving up another coach or finding somebody like John
38:33
Gruden or something like that. I I mean, honestly, as a jet
38:37
fan, I could only hope this season is somewhat decent,
38:41
somewhat decent, because if it isn't, I am going to have a I'm
38:45
going to have a heart attack. I'm going to have something I,
38:47
I, I already have a heart murmur.
38:49
I might have a stroke or a heart attack.
38:51
So I mean, this team just makes me sick to my stomach.
38:54
So Howard Cross was sensational. Thank you to Howard.
38:57
I really appreciate him. He was absolutely sensational.
39:02
He tastes himself. And he tastes himself.
39:04
As we all know, ladies and gentlemen, we call this.
39:08
Alrighty then, righty there. All righty.
39:17
Righty there. I had to take a shit.
39:21
That's not what Chavez doing right now.
39:23
Maybe, but here we go with. All righty then, this is a
39:28
segment where we're going to read 1 of Arrows articles on the
39:31
worldwidesportsradio.com. This one is his recent article
39:37
about the man, the legend, the Draymond Green.
39:41
I'm going to read some of it. Then Speedy is going to read
39:44
some comments from our From Arrows fans on Reddit.
39:48
Like a serial. Count.
39:50
So here we go. Let's get this guy off the
39:53
screen. The new one coming right up for
39:57
you and again, if you are not watching along with us, please,
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40:23
verse common sense. A 10 year undefeated streak by
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Errol Marx. So here we go.
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If chaos had a jersey, it would be a Warriors green #23 with a
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podcast mic tucked under one arm and a referee in a headlock
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under the other. Draymond Green, basketball
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savant, defensive genius and part time WWE audition tape has
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once again found a way to make the NBA about him.
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And not in the wow what a great defender way, but in the yo did
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he really just say that way? According to reports, Draymond
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and allegedly directed an offensive racially charged
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remark toward a referee, an incident that has fans doing the
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universal sports reaction. What shaking their heads,
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looking their phones, whispering Draymond again and, and honestly
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at this point, nobody shocked, disappointed, yes.
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Surprise, absolutely not. This is an isolated incident.
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This is episode 947 of keeping up with the Greens and their
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anger issues. Let's take a nostalgic stroll
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down Draymond Blvd. 2016 The Nutcracker Chronicles kick
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Steven Adams where no basketball should ever go.
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Not once, not twice enough times to qualify for a UFC loyalty
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card. The referee roasting era the
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2023. The Stomp around the world 2023.
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Rudy Gobert gets the sleeper hold guys.
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Come and check out the rest of the article on
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worldwidesportsradio.com. Speedy.
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By the way, before I get to the comment, I do want to mention
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the first incident with Steven Adams.
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One of my one of my college friends actually crashed our
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show and called that Thunder from Down Under.
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That's right. I remember that very much, yeah.
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Yeah, there was plenty of them. So I did a mixture of this with
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this set. So this group MBA discussion, I
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kind of worded it as does this these kind of incidents make
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Draymond Green the dirtiest player in NBA history and one of
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the dumbest. And it's interesting because the
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first comment I want to bring up actually brought up the the
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anger management slash mental health angle from from Errol's
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article. And this is a Schlang Lankis.
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How many players been suspended indefinitely and sent a
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mandatory therapy and counseling?
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A step beyond dirty place for Draymond and it goes into mental
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health and trying to hurt others throughout his career.
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Say that again. I'm sorry, Speedy.
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I was. I was reading something.
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So he was saying how many, how many players have been suspended
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indefinitely and sent to mandatory therapy and
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counseling? He thinks it's a step beyond
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dirty plays with Draymond Green and goes into mental health and
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anger management issues that are trying to hurt others during his
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career. I, I agree with you.
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I, I think that Draymond Green has been an absolute ridiculous
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personality. And, and again, Draymond Green
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is the enforcer. He's the Dennis Rodman of this
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era. Dennis Rodman didn't do the
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things that Draymond Green has done.
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I've seen Rodman throw punches. I've I've seen him, you know,
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put it, you know, dye his hair in different, you know,
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different ways. And and he's gone out there and
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and spoke and and have attacked people to the media.
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But Janice, Rod and by the way, he's gotten drunk and and gone
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to casinos before games, playoff games, and then show up the day,
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the day after and play in those games drunk.
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I've seen him do that, but I've never seen Dennis Ramen do the
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things that Dream on Green has done on the basketball court.
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It's despicable. It's ridiculous.
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And the the NBA really has not stepped in at all.
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They suspend him what, a couple of times they find him a couple
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of times. This guy continues to do it.
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And now after what he has said about the referees and talking
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about Caucasians and and race, I mean, this guy does not know
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when to shut up. So it's it's typical.
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Absolutely. Typical, right?
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So you brought up Dennis Rodman and a lot of the comments were
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centered on the Bad Boy Pistons. This one actually extended
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further. This is Organic Valley.
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The Bad Boy Pistons existed. So no.
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So I kind of mentioned it like collectively as a team or like
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Draymond Green individually. Worse than that, he also
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mentioned Bill M Beer, which a couple other guys mentioned too
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as being the dirtiest player. And then also Zaza Pakulia, who
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are the infamous dirty play on Kawhi Leonard when he was sold
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the Spurs. And he says also from other eras
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that were dirtier than Draymond as.
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Well, I will say this, the Bad Boy Pistons were a lot dirtier
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than Draymond Green because you could do a lot more in the NBA
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in the 80s. I mean, the Jordan Rules, they
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wouldn't even let him get into get into the box.
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If he got into the box. They clothesline them and I've
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seen how many times Michael Jordan go up for a layup and he
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get pushed, pushed into the the fans and stuff like that into
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the seats. So we're going Organic Valley.
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I absolutely agree with you. I think that in those days they
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could do anything. How about the bed, the Celtic
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teams, how vicious they were on a basketball court in the 80's,
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the Larry Bird and Kevin McHale and Robert Parish teams, they
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were mean and they were vicious as well on the basketball court.
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So you're right, Draymond Green is not as bad as they are
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because the rules are different. But in those days, flagrant
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fouls really never existed. Now you put a pinky on somebody
45:18
because of LeBron James, you're getting a flagrant 1.
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So. Here's another interesting one.
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I was, I don't have the whole comment because he he was
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writing like a paragraph when he did this, but this is PPO.
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He actually thinks the game has gone softer since the 50s.
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What players were constantly fighting, even instances where
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players were fighting the police.
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And he thinks it's even got softer into the 80s.
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PPI agree with you. I I wasn't alive for the 50s, so
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how would I know what was going on in the 50s?
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What I do know is that as as the 70s came around and the 80s came
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around, you see more aggressive play.
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And even when Charles Barkley, Charles Barkley started playing
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in the 80s all the way into the 90s, how many fights did we see
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him fight with Shaquille O'Neal? Now they're butt buddies.
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They're hanging out on the same set.
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So these guys absolutely hate each other.
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And here's another thing, when you were playing for a team, the
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Bulls, you were playing for the Knicks, you were playing for the
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Pistons. They were never friends.
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They never liked each other. Every time they played, they
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couldn't stand each other. Now these guys are brother in
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laws or they're, I don't know. They're they're they're sons
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godfather. Well, I mean, all of these guys,
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Chris Paul, Carmelo Anthony, Dwyane Wade, LeBron James,
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they're all buddies and they're they're all arch nemesis is when
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they played against one another. So it's a completely different
46:37
sport than it was in the 80s and the 90s to today.
46:40
All right, so another one this another one.
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This is from OK Temporary 2843. So kind of another 1 based on
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Lambier. That's Bill.
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He's a complying Bill Lambier. He has a video game about how he
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was the dirtiest player. And besides that, that's like
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cool. You mentioned again, but I kind
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of wanted to word it as this. Like, do you think Draymond
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Green takes more pride in him being like an angry player in
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his antics on the court than Lambier dead?
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Draymond Green's trying to sell sponsorships, algorithms as, as
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they say with the computer and AI, they're trying to find the
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right algorithm that's going to sell his product.
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He is a podcaster. That's what he does.
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And yes, I think when he comes out with these vicious takes on
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and off the basketball court or he's trying to choke somebody
47:23
out or step on their balls or trying to injure Lee,
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permanently injure somebody. Yeah, He knows it's going to be
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on ESPN. No, he knows it's going to be on
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Sports Center. In the 80s and the 90s, there
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wasn't ESPN really. I mean, they had their they were
47:36
just getting into ESPNESPN was just getting popular.
47:39
So it was only one sports organization.
47:42
Now you have you have the Internet, you have Yahoo Sports,
47:45
you have ESPN, you have CBS Sports, you have all these
47:48
different plain, you know, different platforms that you can
47:51
post things and it can get out there.
47:53
So, yeah, Draymond Green's trying to sell himself.
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He's trying to sell himself away from basketball because at the
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tail end he's on the back eighteen of his career.
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So yeah, I agree with you. OK, I I I do believe the Lambier
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is one of the vicious players of this era.
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Kevin McHale was pretty bad, too, All right.
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I don't, I don't know if anybody remembers Kevin McHale.
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He was vicious on the basketball court.
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You go up in a layup, if he didn't like you, he's elbowing
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you right in the chest. And they would never call a foul
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on Kevin McHale. He would get away with it a lot.
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So. All right, last one we got from
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inside, noise 68-O four. Does Draymond Green being this
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dirty make this error with the athletes that are in the game
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now? It was the longer comment, the
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toughest, dirtiest and most physical in history.
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Not a chance. Not a chance.
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The most physical time when I basketball was my sport.
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Watching basketball was the first sport I fell in love with.
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From the late 80s to the mid 90s.
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It was vicious. Think about it.
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You had the Pistons, you had the Celtics, the Bull.
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The Bulls were not vicious. Michael Jordan was just vicious.
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He would just give it to you on the basketball card.
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You speak to him, he'd give it to you.
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The Knicks, they were vicious. They would absolutely punish you
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when you went up for a layup. I mean, you had Anthony Mason
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and Charles Oakley, you had these kind of guys, Xavier
49:08
McDaniel, who couldn't stand Michael Jordan was trying to
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permanently injure him every time he went up for a layup.
49:14
So there were a lot of mean teams.
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And then you had finesse teams like the Houston Rockets and,
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and those teams and they didn't become the elite of the elite
49:24
until Michael Jordan stepped away for a couple of years.
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So I, I, I, I do believe that the late 80s and early 90s were
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the meanest when it came to and physical, more physical teams in
49:38
that time in that, in this, I would say in this century of
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basketball. So that was the worst this time.
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I mean, who's the most vicious 1 You have Brooks and you have
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Draymond. I mean, there's not many vicious
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players in the NBA. Draymond Green, he to me, I
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think it's all about click bait. I think it's all about social
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media. It's all about algorithm.
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It's all about his podcast. That's why he doesn't.
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Everything that comes out of that guy's mouth, everything he
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does on the court is trying to sell sponsorship.
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He's a bad boy. Is he considered one of the top
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worst top ten bad boys of all time?
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Not a chance. I don't think Draymond Green is
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in my top ten bad boys. Top 15, yes.
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Top ten, no. I would take five of the Detroit
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Pistons. Everybody talks about Bill and
50:23
beer. There was another guy in the
50:24
team for the first couple of years, I forget his name,
50:26
another big that was pretty vicious too on that team.
50:31
Isaiah Thomas was bad. He he did something.
50:34
Dennis Rodman got worse later at the tail end of his Detroit
50:38
Piston years and then going in, you know, with the playing with
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the Spurs and playing with the the Bulls, he became more
50:44
vicious. There were a lot of vicious
50:46
players also in the 50s too. Wilt Chamberlain was a vicious
50:50
player. He would beat the hell out of
50:52
you every time he put his hands up.
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Wilt Chamberlain didn't have to jump.
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He would knee you in the crotch every time you went up for a
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layup because he was that bigger.
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He was that much bigger than you.
51:03
And even Bill Russell, there were, there were things about
51:05
Bill Russell that they said that he would.
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He would. He would use elbows, he would
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use fingers. He would use anything to keep
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you away from the hoop. So there were a lot of vicious
51:13
players in the past and they got away with it because the NBA has
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become more of a girls game now. So, yeah, Draymond Green, top
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ten. No, I do not believe he's a top
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ten. Do I think he's the worst of
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this era? Yeah, I would say he is.
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In the last 15 years, yeah. Brooks is getting up there.
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I mean, he's getting up there now.
51:33
I could say that. And Brooks, Brooks is getting to
51:36
a point where he's he's still fairly young.
51:38
Draymond's on a tail end. I don't think we've seen a list
51:41
of the bad the big bad Brooks going out there and doing
51:46
something that's going to cause a lot of a lot of takes on ESPN
51:51
and first take in the future and he maybe even on our show.
51:54
So yeah, I I think Draymond Green's the worst of this era.
51:57
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A shout out to Carter. I hope you have a great season
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your father's was. And we'll be back next week on
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Monday. Who do we have on speed?
53:21
Nothing yet for Monday, but we do have a guest for Thursday.
53:23
Nathanie was able to get him linebacker that also played with
53:26
Howard Cross. Gary Reasons will be joining the
53:28
show at 8:45 on Thursday. New time, right?
53:32
Yes, Sir. Next week our show will be
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We might go a little bit over, but we're going to try to stick
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54:06
New time and new year guys. It's going to be a great year
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54:17
Nathan's over there in San Francisco.
54:19
I hope he's enjoying the nice weather.
54:21
I, I think he said this morning it was like 40 something degrees
54:24
over there, but it's going to hit its highs at 73.
54:27
So it's, it's beautiful right now.
54:30
He's enjoying the the beautiful weather at 70°.
54:33
So enjoy the the time with Shador Sanders as you're
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sharing, whatever that is, whatever that.
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Is I'm chowder. I don't know what, it looks a
54:42
little bit different to me. I wouldn't share anything with
54:45
Shador Sanders when it comes to eating, that's for sure.
54:47
Anyways, that's it ladies and gentlemen, we will see you next
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week. Have a very good weekend, enjoy
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