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The Process: Detroit Tigers Edition · Tiger Territory: A Detroit Tigers Podcast

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Speaker 1: And welcome into another episode of Tiger's Territory, part of
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Speaker 1: the Foul Territory Network, a Tiger's podcast. I'm here sickly
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Speaker 1: with me employees and man who's seen his share summertime sadness.
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Speaker 2: He's Goya Savin Eggan.
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Speaker 3: How you doing wo if you're talking about the dark
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Speaker 3: days of Tigers baseball twenty nineteen, twenty twenty twenty, twenty
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Speaker 3: twenty one, twenty twenty two. Yeah, I've seen some rough
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Speaker 3: stretches and suddenly the Tigers are back in one. They
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Speaker 3: kind of got bashed by the Blue Jays in their
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Speaker 3: return to k America Park. They've lost ten out of eleven,
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Speaker 3: and it's we tried to talk about this last episode,
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Speaker 3: and now it's trying to put this into perspective a
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Speaker 3: little bit more like you don't want to overreact to
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Speaker 3: the lows. At the same time, we can't just ignore
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Speaker 3: this and be like, oh, it's okay. This is got
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Speaker 3: into At some point, the guys have to start playing better.
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Speaker 3: It's been pretty bad. I think I'm starting to get
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Speaker 3: concerned because there's not gonna be Although you can get
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Speaker 3: some help with the trade deadline, you're not gonna radically
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Speaker 3: reshape this team. You're gonna get what two, three, at
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Speaker 3: most probably four players. This is what you have, and
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Speaker 3: a lot of these guys are bound to start performing better.
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Speaker 3: You can get some help from the miners, whatever it
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Speaker 3: may be. But you kind of got to write the vibes.
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Speaker 3: I didn't love the vibes in the Tigers Return Home.
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Speaker 2: Yeah, so I mean the uh.
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Speaker 1: I can just tell you about what the vibes are
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Speaker 1: on Tiger's Twitter, and they're not great. I just got
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Speaker 1: to comment from Trent that's like, you know, it seems
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Speaker 1: like maybe last year, the end of last year beginning
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Speaker 1: of this year was a fluke, and like, what's what
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Speaker 1: we're seeing right now? What we saw like most of
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Speaker 1: last season might be really what they are.
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Speaker 2: I understand that sentiment.
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Speaker 1: I don't want to believe that, But that's that's an
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Speaker 1: example of Tiger's Twitter vibes, and then there's there's countless
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Speaker 1: other kind.
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Speaker 3: Of I think the real problem is the media is
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Speaker 3: not willing to ask a J. Hinch why he doesn't
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Speaker 3: have the team prepared. I got that's that's the real
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Speaker 3: issue here, clearly. Yeah, that would immediately everything. So no,
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Speaker 3: I like to believe the Tigers are a good team.
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Speaker 3: Like they've had one hundred and sixty two game stretch
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Speaker 3: last year this year combined where they were the best
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Speaker 3: team in baseball. Run differential is still a very good
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Speaker 3: predict predictive stat They fare very well in that department.
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Speaker 3: I think there's more evidence now that this is a
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Speaker 3: good team. No, it's not a perfect team, and I
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Speaker 3: think that's why you are seeing this very awful, ugly stretch.
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Speaker 1: Yeah, And I actually didn't even mean to like come
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Speaker 1: on with like this positive thinking, but like like when
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Speaker 1: I think about that, like that kind of sentiment, like
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Speaker 1: I think about, like, this is a team that kind
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Speaker 1: of has ridden different ways by different guys. Right, So
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Speaker 1: it's not like the entire time specer Thorlsen looked like
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Speaker 1: a one to one if you're talking about last year
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Speaker 1: into this year. You see what I'm saying, Like there's
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Speaker 1: like there's been a couple of constants, but actually not,
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Speaker 1: it's been relatively balanced, I would say, so like in theory,
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Speaker 1: there's gonna be some regression to the mean in a
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Speaker 1: good way. We're what we're seeing right now is you know,
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Speaker 1: like there's not a better way to put it. It's
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Speaker 1: piss poor like like I guess we're at to say
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Speaker 1: that like it like like you know, whatever we.
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Speaker 3: Want still we have sponsored. Now let's just say whatever
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Speaker 3: and just try to keep it clean for the kids
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Speaker 3: out there.
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Speaker 1: Like like Jamai Jones, like give him credit, like the
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Speaker 1: guys put together. You know, he's got a home run
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Speaker 1: like what too in his last three games and so
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Speaker 1: like you know that that's nice to see and like
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Speaker 1: and the Jamai Jones thing is part of the puzzle
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Speaker 1: that we talked about on our last episode that like
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Speaker 1: the Tigers are going to try to win like their way,
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Speaker 1: and Jamai Jones is like an example like right now,
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Speaker 1: like he's not permanently a part of this team or anything,
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Speaker 1: but like right now he is a part of that puzzle.
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Speaker 1: And like how they're configuring the team. And then when
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Speaker 1: we talked about the Suarez thing and how that wouldn't
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Speaker 1: necessarily be a fit. So like there's a liftmus test
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Speaker 1: for fans right now to like trust the process of
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Speaker 1: the coaching staff in the front office.
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Speaker 2: But you know, they're just fans. You're just me, you know,
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Speaker 2: we're just media. Whatever.
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Speaker 1: But like you were in the clubhouse today before or
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Speaker 1: after the game, Like the real guys I gotta like
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Speaker 1: trust the process are the ones that tow the rubber
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Speaker 1: and get into the batter's box and take the field.
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Speaker 2: So like, what, like what kind of vibe?
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Speaker 1: Check what you know, especially after this streak and then
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Speaker 1: you know, obviously continue today, Like what can you shed
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Speaker 1: some light into like what you're seeing from the guys
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Speaker 1: right now?
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Speaker 3: Yeah, I mean this was the first time I had
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Speaker 3: been around him since just before the All Star break or,
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Speaker 3: in the case of some of them, the All Star Game.
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Speaker 3: There weren't a lot of guys around either before or
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Speaker 3: after the game. I don't necessarily blame them for not
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Speaker 3: wanting to chum it up with the media during this stratch,
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Speaker 3: but it did seem a little bit different, right, I
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Speaker 3: Mean that generally is a sign like when the vibes
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Speaker 3: aren't good, that clubhouse is pretty empty, that clubhouse is
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Speaker 3: pretty quiet. And I thought it was Thursday, now, first
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Speaker 3: game back at home, first time these guys had been
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Speaker 3: at home in like what fourteen fifteen sixteen days? So
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Speaker 3: maybe they were just busy, maybe they had other stuff
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Speaker 3: to take care of. I'll be curious, you know, when
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Speaker 3: I get back to the park Friday, to see if
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Speaker 3: it's kind of still that way. The few guys who talked,
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Speaker 3: you know, in front of the cameras said the right things.
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Speaker 3: You know, the guys in here still have faith. We
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Speaker 3: just got to get through the stratch. But Dylan Dingler
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Speaker 3: even postgame, did kind of admit the longer this goes on,
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Speaker 3: the harder you try, the harder you try to snap
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Speaker 3: out of it, the worse you end up doing. So
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Speaker 3: he was like, you have to try your hardest to
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Speaker 3: not try too hard was kind of this sentiment he
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Speaker 3: lay out, And there's something real to that. I think
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Speaker 3: anyone who's ever played a sport can probably relate to
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Speaker 3: that to some degree. AJ Hinch seemed to be in
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Speaker 3: pretty good spirits, which I think is I guess a
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Speaker 3: good thing. Obviously, he's about as consistent of a leader
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Speaker 3: as you're gonna find. Teams reflect that he's not one
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Speaker 3: to get emotional. I don't think a team meeting is
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Speaker 3: going to solve this. I'm not sure aj going in
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Speaker 3: the clubhouse and throwing a bunch of stuff is going
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Speaker 3: to solve this. But then it's like, well, what does
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Speaker 3: solve it? I guess it's trusting the process, But are
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Speaker 3: you going to snap your fingers and go back to
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Speaker 3: being good like that is the question I have. How
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Speaker 3: do you snap out of this? Because as much as
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Speaker 3: we talk about the Tigers and they know how to
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Speaker 3: flush it and they focus on winning today's game, momentum
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Speaker 3: is somewhat like it carries over, like hitting is contagious
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Speaker 3: and lack of hitting tends to be contagious, and we
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Speaker 3: have seen the extremes of both so far this season.
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Speaker 3: I guess that's one of the mysteries of the sport.
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Speaker 3: Some something's got to turn around soon before we got
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Speaker 3: to really start taking this series.
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Speaker 1: Yeah, And the fact of the matter is that the
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Speaker 1: the the verbal cliches are just that they're just verbal
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Speaker 1: like that that that that's like you could say that stuff,
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Speaker 1: but like until you start connecting, until you start executing pitches.
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Speaker 1: And and like I felt for Reese today because for
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Speaker 1: you know, seven eights of he was he was he
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Speaker 1: was outstanding, I thought, And you know, yeah, there was
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Speaker 1: some hard contact, but it was you know, that were
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Speaker 1: the right kind of hard contact.
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Speaker 2: It was obviously you.
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Speaker 1: Know, Perez was quite busy there in right field today,
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Speaker 1: but like you thought, this could have been one of
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Speaker 1: those like prime the pump games, where it's like you
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Speaker 1: get the early lead, you're surviving, you know, with it
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Speaker 1: being one one, Reese is doing well, and then and
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Speaker 1: then the damn just unleashes on you. And then we're
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Speaker 1: stuck talking about these platitudes.
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Speaker 2: But there is.
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Speaker 3: Kian that's been exactly kind of my concern with results
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Speaker 3: in and then I talk about, like who's your number
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Speaker 3: two starter for the playoffs? Can Resulson get right through
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Speaker 3: his career? He's not really been a great three times
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Speaker 3: around the order guy. And we saw last year when
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Speaker 3: he returned from injury, they didn't use him in a
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Speaker 3: long stints his ops career. First time through the order
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Speaker 3: six thirty seven, second time five ninety eight, Third time
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Speaker 3: jumps up to seven ninety four. It's a pretty substantial jump.
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Speaker 3: Gives up more homers, gives up more loud contact. I
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Speaker 3: think that's we've seen stretch it. We've seen him he
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Speaker 3: can go six and seven. But if I have a
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Speaker 3: worry with Resulsin, it's like, is this really a third
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Speaker 3: time through type of pitcher?
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Speaker 2: Yeah?
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Speaker 1: And in terms of regular season, you're you know, you're
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Speaker 1: playing thirteen games in thirteen days, and this is not
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Speaker 1: the only stretch of the season that we've seen or
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Speaker 1: will see that you're you know that your your AF
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Speaker 1: days are few and far in between, and you gotta start,
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Speaker 1: you know, preserving bullpen arms and blah blah blah blah blah.
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Speaker 1: And then you think about the lack of death of
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Speaker 1: the bullpen in general, blah blah blah. So like we
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Speaker 1: all understand that. So like that's all part of it.
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Speaker 1: But there is there is something, Cody that at least
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Speaker 1: in theory and in practice, we'll talk about it like,
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Speaker 1: could be a little bit of a boom for this offense.
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Speaker 1: And that leads us to our chart topper of the week,
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Speaker 1: taking this in a little bit of a different direction, Cody, Uh,
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Speaker 1: we're gonna talk about Carry Carpenter. Now, obviously he hasn't
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Speaker 1: done anything to be a chart topper recently because he
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Speaker 1: has been hurt, although he is rehabbing right now in
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Speaker 1: Toledo or with Toledo, I should say, And you know,
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Speaker 1: some people pointed it out on our YouTube comments, which,
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Speaker 1: by the way, thank for everybody who watches on YouTube,
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Speaker 1: subscribes and comments and then you know, same thing on
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Speaker 1: X as well, Like, you know, look at how they're
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Speaker 1: doing with and without Carpenter, and there is.
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Speaker 2: You know, a lot of benefit to that.
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Speaker 1: And if you just look at what they've done since
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Speaker 1: he went on IL, which is more or less this
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Speaker 1: wretched month of July, they are seven and twelve the
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Speaker 1: month of July. So that's all without Carpenter, and overall
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Speaker 1: eight and thirteen since Carpenter went on the IL. And
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Speaker 1: then if you want to extend it out a little
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Speaker 1: bit more, obviously he had been hobbled by that hamstring
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Speaker 1: before that as well. So a if there can be
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Speaker 1: such a thing this season, because we know hamstrings are weird,
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Speaker 1: a fully healthy carry Carpenter is obviously a great asset
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Speaker 1: to this team, to this lineup, just for example, you
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Speaker 1: know they are they have a sixty win percentage with
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Speaker 1: him in games that he's played this year. And I
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Speaker 1: just later, yeah, so and so since uh, and I
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Speaker 1: obviously I said eight and thirteen, it's quite.
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Speaker 2: A quite a little bit of a difference there.
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Speaker 1: Uh, you know, since he went on I l and
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Speaker 1: I thought I thought they would do I mean, I'll
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Speaker 1: be honest, I thought they would do a better job
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Speaker 1: of sustaining a level of offensive production without him.
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Speaker 2: Don't want to read all.
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Speaker 1: This much into it in terms of this, in terms
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Speaker 1: of that and matchups and placement and bah blah blah.
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Speaker 1: The bottom line is they're not winning games without him,
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Speaker 1: and they're winning quite a few with him. And and
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Speaker 1: that's also Cody of note, that's really without Carrie Carpenter
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Speaker 1: being full Carrie Carpenter.
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Speaker 2: So what do I mean by that?
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Speaker 1: So last season obviously he was hurt as well, But
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Speaker 1: last season in two hundred and ninety six, played appearances
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Speaker 1: again offensive war of two point one. This season with
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Speaker 1: two eighties, we're in the range to eight. He played
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Speaker 1: appearances an offensive war of one point zero. So what
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Speaker 1: that what that tells me is that we like we
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Speaker 1: still have not seen full carry Carpenter this season period
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Speaker 1: much less you know, you know, with him being out
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Speaker 1: with injury. So if you're thinking about, like, where is
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Speaker 1: something around the corner that could help this team, it's
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Speaker 1: an unknown, but in theory it would be with Carrie
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Speaker 1: Carpenter healthy and in the lineup on a you know,
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Speaker 1: nearly everyday basis and then a pinch hit basis on
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Speaker 1: days against lefties, which brings us to our say Pick
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Speaker 1: not a pick that I'm recommending, clear But if you
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Speaker 1: go to the DraftKings sportsbook and you look at MVP odds,
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Speaker 1: they list, you know, like twenty ish guys and Carpenter
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Speaker 1: is one of them, and you know Schoogle is one
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Speaker 1: of them, Riley Green is one of them. Like this
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Speaker 1: is an Aaron Judge Award to lose and cal Raley
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Speaker 1: to you know, give the old college try for it.
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Speaker 1: But like, I'm not recommending that you place a pick
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Speaker 1: on Carry Carpenter when MVP.
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Speaker 2: But what I'm saying is the fact.
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Speaker 1: That he is mentioned here Cody means that he is
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Speaker 1: a high profile enough player that they know that people
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Speaker 1: are gonna look at this and be like, oh, Carry
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Speaker 1: Carpenter VP odds and like it's gonna resonate with the brain.
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Speaker 1: The Tigers had six All Stars this year, Carry Carpenter
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Speaker 1: was not.
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Speaker 2: One of them.
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Speaker 1: Schoolball and Green are the only ones that are on
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Speaker 1: this like top twenty list other than Carry Carpenter. So
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Speaker 1: I just wanted to put this out there to just
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Speaker 1: kind of illustrate in a different way like his value
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Speaker 1: to the team.
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Speaker 2: You see what I'm.
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Speaker 3: Saying, Well, sure, I mean I've always thought the lineup,
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Speaker 3: just some about it just feels a lot different with
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Speaker 3: Carpenter in it. That's about the least analytical thing you
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Speaker 3: can say. But I think get holds true. He's another power.
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Speaker 3: He's a decision point for opposing managers. Even if he's
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Speaker 3: out of the game, he looms as a threat that
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Speaker 3: can impact the game just by his mere presence on
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Speaker 3: the bench. He gives you a little more meat, a
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Speaker 3: little more power in that order that I think at
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Speaker 3: time still kind of lacks it, that still kind of
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Speaker 3: needs a bopper in there, and opposing teams view him
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Speaker 3: as that. I think the Tigers, as bad as this stretches,
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Speaker 3: need to be as patient as possible making sure that
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Speaker 3: when Carry comes back he's one thousand percent right. Because
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Speaker 3: we saw him play an extended stretch of baseball where
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Speaker 3: he just did not look right. That Tiger's delayed putting
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Speaker 3: him on the aisle, then I think it's probably a mistake.
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Speaker 3: They're kind of paying for it now a little bit.
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Speaker 3: It's taken. It wasn't like the All Star break into
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Speaker 3: and Carrie was back, but if it takes another week,
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Speaker 3: if it takes ten days, if it takes two weeks,
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Speaker 3: I think you take that time because this is a
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Speaker 3: man you want right for the stretch, and you want
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Speaker 3: right in October.
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Speaker 1: Agree more because I mean, that's just like another example
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Speaker 1: of what Labor, you know, was talking about a couple
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Speaker 1: of days ago, where it's like, you don't want to
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Speaker 1: be playing your best baseball in July. You want to
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Speaker 1: be best playing your best baseball Sinceember October.
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Speaker 2: Like and and you want to be at your most healthy.
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Speaker 1: Obviously nobody's going to be healthy after one hundred and
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Speaker 1: sixty two games and then you know, playoffs at you know,
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Speaker 1: in October, but you want to be at your most healthy.
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Speaker 1: You want to be able to put your best foot forward.
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Speaker 1: And it's clear statistically, anecdotally there's my favorite word and
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Speaker 1: uh and just visually uh to have carry Carpenter life.
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Speaker 2: So that's why it's.
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Speaker 1: All right, let's let's get into some trade deadline thoughts. Cody, Uh, I,
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Speaker 1: I was doing some stealing, I was doing some thinking,
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Speaker 1: and I kind of started preparing myself mentally for you know,
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Speaker 1: I've listened to most of every Scott Harris press availability.
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Speaker 2: I've read, you.
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Speaker 1: Know, you know, his on the record interviews, and I
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Speaker 1: feel like I have a decent we've had him on
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Speaker 1: the podcast. I feel like I have a decent gauge
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Speaker 1: on like how he approaches things. You know, I'll say
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Speaker 1: I'm an expert. I think I got a good a
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Speaker 1: good gauge of Scott Harris. And the more I thought
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Speaker 1: of it, the more I was like, you know, guys
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Speaker 1: like Scott Harris, they don't like losing deals, and a
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Speaker 1: lot of those kinds of people view the trade deadline
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Speaker 1: as a negative on the ROI especially when you're talking
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Speaker 1: about trading for somebody who is, you know, on an
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Speaker 1: expiring contract and blah blah blah, and so I was like,
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Speaker 1: you know, I just you know, you hear the Dodgers
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Speaker 1: and how they do things. You look at theo Epstein's history,
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Speaker 1: and obviously THEO was a was a mentor to Scott,
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Speaker 1: and it's like, I just I don't think he's gonna
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Speaker 1: be there, like he's gonna view the team as there
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Speaker 1: yet to make one of those kind of seismic.
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Speaker 2: Moves, if you would.
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Speaker 1: And that's how I'm gonna kind of approach my mindset
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Speaker 1: right now with with with what the Tigers gonna do
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Speaker 1: with the trade deadline. They're obviously gonna do something, but
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Speaker 1: it's also new territory, so it's hard to really gauge
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Speaker 1: what you think Scott will do, you know, outside of
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Speaker 1: these parameters I just discussed. So that's kind of something
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Speaker 1: that I've kind of gone into.
18:59
Speaker 2: I don't know what you're thinking.
19:00
Speaker 3: That, Yeah, well, I know I said recently the Tigers
19:03
Speaker 3: tend to be very tight lipped, and they are, but
19:06
Speaker 3: I did have a couple pretty enlightening conversations recently. I
19:11
Speaker 3: think our sense on things has largely been correct. That's
19:16
Speaker 3: something you spend time around this team. It's not necessarily
19:19
Speaker 3: hard to know at least the gist of what they
19:23
Speaker 3: are thinking, right, and so they're going to do something
19:26
Speaker 3: They're not gonna stand pat But I think pragmatism, more
19:31
Speaker 3: than seismic moves is their thought. I think you're right
19:35
Speaker 3: that the Tigers kind of view the trade deadline as
19:39
Speaker 3: overrated because how often are you actually winning deals, both
19:44
Speaker 3: short term and long term. I went down a rabbit hole,
19:48
Speaker 3: you know. Sarahs on The Athletic did a great article
19:50
Speaker 3: in twenty nineteen about what wins in the postseason, and
19:54
Speaker 3: you guys should go look that up if you can.
19:57
Speaker 3: There's some interesting numbers in there. One of them, the
19:59
Speaker 3: bull Regular season performance by the bullpen doesn't really correlate
20:04
Speaker 3: to the postseason bottom line, like bullpins are random. But
20:10
Speaker 3: power does play. Contact also plays. We'll talk about that
20:14
Speaker 3: maybe more in a second. Starting pitching can help, but
20:18
Speaker 3: there's a long track record of starters who have ended
20:22
Speaker 3: up not actually pitching in postseason games, whether it's teams
20:25
Speaker 3: trying to make a push and they didn't make it,
20:27
Speaker 3: or the Astros traded for UCI's Kakuchi last season and
20:31
Speaker 3: he didn't start in the postseason. Because if the Tigers
20:34
Speaker 3: beat him in two games. That's a long way of
20:36
Speaker 3: saying I think the Tigers are focused mostly on their
20:40
Speaker 3: relief market right now. That really shouldn't be a surprise
20:44
Speaker 3: to anyone. The question that still kind of looms, what
20:48
Speaker 3: does that mean? Are they intent on getting a Ryan Helsley?
20:52
Speaker 3: I think they have some interest, David Bednar, I'm sure
20:54
Speaker 3: they have some interest. I don't I get the sense
20:59
Speaker 3: indivision trades aren't gonna be a thing. So de Andrea
21:02
Speaker 3: and Griffin Jack's Emmanuel class sounds great, Probably not gonna happen.
21:07
Speaker 3: I wouldn't be shocked if they target one of those guys.
21:09
Speaker 3: Let's be real, they need a swing and miss weapon.
21:11
Speaker 3: But again, prices are gonna be high. This is a
21:14
Speaker 3: seller's market. I wouldn't be shocked if the Tigers are
21:17
Speaker 3: also poking around on kind of versatile mid relief type options,
21:23
Speaker 3: or at least like not the big names. Probably not
21:26
Speaker 3: like the Kinlee Janssens of the world. So I think
21:29
Speaker 3: I'm sitting here right now trying to get a better
21:30
Speaker 3: read of like who are we talking about? Just one
21:35
Speaker 3: name that comes to mind, Kenley Jansen's teammate read Debtmers.
21:39
Speaker 3: He's a lefty. I think the Dietrich Inns experiment is
21:42
Speaker 3: running its course rather quickly. Debtmers has a four to
21:46
Speaker 3: one seven ERA, but he's look at his FIP three
21:50
Speaker 3: point two. Look at his XCRA three point twenty four.
21:53
Speaker 3: He's punching guys almost eleven batters per nine innings. He
21:57
Speaker 3: can go long, he can start if he to, he
22:00
Speaker 3: can do some different things. That seems like a Tigers
22:03
Speaker 3: esque option. Michael Soroka for the Nationals. He's functioning as
22:09
Speaker 3: a starter right now, but he can pitch in either role.
22:11
Speaker 3: He's a guy I was told the Tigers liked this offseason.
22:15
Speaker 3: Solid strikeout rates, solid walk rates. You know, I'm not
22:19
Speaker 3: saying it's going to be these guys specifically. You can
22:22
Speaker 3: go look up more names. The Marlins have a couple
22:25
Speaker 3: guys Anthony Bender, Ronnie and Riquez that are interesting. I
22:31
Speaker 3: think maybe we should expect. I think the Tigers probably
22:34
Speaker 3: are going to get two relievers, and I wouldn't be
22:36
Speaker 3: shocked if one of them is more kind of this
22:39
Speaker 3: bucket of guys, or maybe someone else we're not even
22:42
Speaker 3: thinking of. In part because of the price tag game,
22:45
Speaker 3: it'd be fun to say, hey, go get kluss A
22:47
Speaker 3: and go get Ryan Helsley. But then you're talking about
22:49
Speaker 3: giving up real prospect capital. I don't think the Tigers
22:52
Speaker 3: have any interest in doing that.
22:56
Speaker 1: Yeah, And the number one thing that kind of keep
23:00
Speaker 1: in mind is like put yourself in the GM or
23:03
Speaker 1: President of Baseball Operation shoes for you know, any team
23:06
Speaker 1: that the Tigers call, or you call the Tigers, and like,
23:10
Speaker 1: where where does the conversation begin?
23:13
Speaker 2: You know, like it doesn't.
23:15
Speaker 1: It doesn't begin at Troy Melton, number ten ish prospects
23:18
Speaker 1: or whatever. It's like you're gonna see what you can
23:20
Speaker 1: extract from the Tigers. And so it's like, all right, well,
23:23
Speaker 1: how untouchable is Max Clark like that, that's just where
23:27
Speaker 1: the conversation starts. How untouchable is Kevin McGonagall, How untouchable
23:30
Speaker 1: is Postway Persinio? You know that that like, especially the
23:35
Speaker 1: names that are like top of these lists, like.
23:39
Speaker 3: Started conversations this way when he was on the other
23:41
Speaker 3: end of things as well.
23:43
Speaker 1: Yeah, exactly, it's how the game goes so like so
23:45
Speaker 1: like and especially in the seller's market aspect of it,
23:48
Speaker 1: and that that that's the tough thing and and and
23:52
Speaker 1: so far the Tigers have been really able to you know,
23:55
Speaker 1: ride the balance between you know, setting up for the
23:59
Speaker 1: future with all these prospects that everybody's really excited about,
24:02
Speaker 1: and you know, we'll be having conversations you know, within
24:07
Speaker 1: a calendar year probably about like when they're some of
24:09
Speaker 1: these guys are gonna be knocking on the door, uh
24:11
Speaker 1: of being big leaders. But at the same time having
24:17
Speaker 1: that sense of urgency with the whole school full situation
24:20
Speaker 1: and you know and contract, you know, the contract aspect
24:23
Speaker 1: of that, and like, but this is an opportunity to
24:28
Speaker 1: tilt it one way or another, you see what I'm saying,
24:31
Speaker 1: Like there's an opportunity there, like to seller's market. Uh,
24:35
Speaker 1: your boy Jerry Jones has said, like I don't I
24:37
Speaker 1: don't regret when I overpaid for something. I regret when
24:41
Speaker 1: I you know, under off or something and don't get it,
24:45
Speaker 1: you know, So like that there's a certain mindset that
24:48
Speaker 1: could you that can go into it and it's still
24:51
Speaker 1: be worth it even if you overpaid or the ROI
24:55
Speaker 1: isn't you know exactly what what what you want there?
24:58
Speaker 1: And and also I guarantee, I guarantee you This is
25:00
Speaker 1: also part of the Scott Harris thought process is like, look,
25:05
Speaker 1: you know, we we've got sixty wins. We're among the
25:08
Speaker 1: best teams in baseball record wise. Uh we have basically
25:13
Speaker 1: done that without any offensive output from Parcrometos, Matt Bierling.
25:19
Speaker 1: With respect to some late ending you know, hits that
25:22
Speaker 1: have driven in runs, hasn't really gotten going. Tray Sweeney
25:27
Speaker 1: looks like somebody then you're probably not banking on him.
25:29
Speaker 1: But that was somebody that you were banking on and
25:32
Speaker 1: you haven't gotten much of anything. So it's like, you know,
25:35
Speaker 1: the Carpenter thing we already talked about, Like there's gonna
25:38
Speaker 1: be some additions. I'm telling you this how he's thinking
25:42
Speaker 1: there's gonna be some additions coming in the form of
25:45
Speaker 1: guys that either haven't played or haven't played up to
25:47
Speaker 1: their level, and that's gonna push us over the top.
25:50
Speaker 2: I guarantee you that's part of the thought process.
25:53
Speaker 3: Uh yeah, I mean that's another thing we've talked about
25:56
Speaker 3: and that I think we were spot on. The Tigers
25:58
Speaker 3: are thinking about in internal improvements and depth just as
26:03
Speaker 3: much as they are about who they can get from
26:06
Speaker 3: the outside. I mean, pitching wise, we're going as far
26:09
Speaker 3: and down they're talking about Drew Summers who if you
26:12
Speaker 3: don't know who that is, get to know the name.
26:14
Speaker 3: I think he's coming soon. Big Lefty lifted List six
26:17
Speaker 3: three two point fifty. He has been, indeed been tearing
26:21
Speaker 3: it up in the minor leagues. He's got a one
26:23
Speaker 3: nine to seven era, punching guys like crazy, pretty solid
26:28
Speaker 3: walk rates like that seemed Jose Orchidy. We're gonna hear
26:32
Speaker 3: more and more about Alex Lang is not going to
26:34
Speaker 3: the door. That sounds kind of crazy to rely on
26:38
Speaker 3: those guys to carry you to the World Series. But
26:42
Speaker 3: it also sounded kind of crazy to rely on Sean
26:44
Speaker 3: Gunther and Brendan Hannafee and Brent Hurder last year, and
26:48
Speaker 3: that worked pretty well. So I'm not saying this is
26:50
Speaker 3: right or wrong. I think that's a whole other conversation
26:54
Speaker 3: and a whole other debate. But I think this is
26:56
Speaker 3: very much the team's thinking. I think that applies positionally.
27:00
Speaker 3: We can the swore As thing.
27:02
Speaker 2: Will Loom.
27:03
Speaker 3: I've told the Tigers aren't ruling out swore As. What
27:07
Speaker 3: is interesting not ruling out also doesn't seem like we're
27:12
Speaker 3: here to go get this guy. When the Mariners and
27:14
Speaker 3: the Yankees and whoever else wants them. Uh So, I'm
27:18
Speaker 3: not totally sure what to make of that one. I
27:20
Speaker 3: do think the versatility thing remains a huge factor. If
27:26
Speaker 3: you get swore As, it limits you. But also, let's
27:29
Speaker 3: be real, if you let's swap on the roster Jami
27:33
Speaker 3: Jones for swore As. Right now, you think the Tigers
27:36
Speaker 3: got better? Yeah, I think they got better. Now what's
27:39
Speaker 3: it gonna cost to get them? I think that's where
27:41
Speaker 3: that we're not ruling it out comes in Like, I
27:44
Speaker 3: just don't think they're gonna get in a bidding war,
27:46
Speaker 3: and they're not gonna move any of their top one
27:49
Speaker 3: hundred prospects, I assure you. Another thing, though, is something
27:53
Speaker 3: that we talked about, how power plays in the postseason.
27:56
Speaker 3: You know what else, contact let's go back since twenty nineteen,
28:02
Speaker 3: the Nationals were the last team to win the World
28:04
Speaker 3: Series without ranking in the top four of home runs.
28:08
Speaker 3: In that same time frame, no one has won the
28:11
Speaker 3: World Series without ranking worse than eighteenth in terms of
28:16
Speaker 3: strikeout rate. So the Tigers right now rank seventeenth. It's
28:21
Speaker 3: actually not bad, but they strike out more often than
28:24
Speaker 3: any World Series winner since the twenty eighteen Red Sox
28:29
Speaker 3: Euhano Suarez strikes out more than all but twenty eight
28:33
Speaker 3: hitters in Major League Baseball. You would with more even
28:36
Speaker 3: though you hit more home runs, So there may be
28:38
Speaker 3: some level of trade off there in the postseason.
28:43
Speaker 2: That's the key word, tradeoff.
28:45
Speaker 1: And we're we have a couple names that I just
28:48
Speaker 1: wanted to throw out there just for the sake of
28:50
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28:53
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28:55
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30:02
Speaker 1: All right, coming back here, You know I was I
30:05
Speaker 1: was doing.
30:05
Speaker 2: A medium dive. I wouldn't say it was a deep dive.
30:07
Speaker 1: I was doing a medium dive on a couple of
30:09
Speaker 1: guys that like could be Bilow candidates and could have
30:16
Speaker 1: some sort of value added.
30:19
Speaker 2: To the team.
30:20
Speaker 1: Right, So, like, I promise you no one's going to
30:23
Speaker 1: get excited about these two names, but I think I
30:25
Speaker 1: could at least say, in theory it could be helpful.
30:29
Speaker 1: So that would be you said, no individual trades. So
30:33
Speaker 1: this is the first one is already not gonna work.
30:35
Speaker 1: But what about Louise Robert Junior Cody White.
30:40
Speaker 3: Was part of the division. Maybe that one, maybe that
30:42
Speaker 3: one should should be fair game.
30:45
Speaker 1: So he has come on a little bit over the
30:49
Speaker 1: past couple of weeks, like anyone who's familiar with the Division,
30:53
Speaker 1: and just like the hype that this guy had, you
30:55
Speaker 1: know once had is familiar with his story.
30:59
Speaker 2: Well, what if I told you? What if I told
31:01
Speaker 2: you that against lefties, Luis Robert Jr.
31:06
Speaker 1: Has a nine to sixty six.
31:08
Speaker 3: Ops's surprised by that. I think that's valuable. We should
31:16
Speaker 3: note the Tigers are actually pretty good against left handed pitching.
31:19
Speaker 3: They rank like fifth and Ops. I think that the
31:23
Speaker 3: connection is like a right handed bat because that's a
31:25
Speaker 3: roster spot that's available. But it's not necessarily a desperate
31:28
Speaker 3: need as much as a lot of people myself included
31:32
Speaker 3: have kind of portrayed it at times.
31:35
Speaker 1: Sure, but he also runs the base as well, and
31:40
Speaker 1: he any well any one or any one percentile feeling
31:46
Speaker 1: run value on Baseball Savant and seventy three base running
31:49
Speaker 1: run value on Baseball Savant, And if you're into bat speed,
31:52
Speaker 1: he's in the ninety four percent tile. Again, he's essentially
31:56
Speaker 1: gonna be he like asset wise, he's gonna be. He
32:00
Speaker 1: has a twenty million dollars He's had a couple of
32:02
Speaker 1: twenty something million dollar team options coming up that the
32:06
Speaker 1: White Sox are not going to pick up, and whoever
32:09
Speaker 1: acquires him is not going to pick up. So the
32:12
Speaker 1: White Sox are in a position where it's like, we're
32:14
Speaker 1: either going to literally say we don't want this guy
32:18
Speaker 1: employed by us for nothing, or we can acquire some prospect.
32:25
Speaker 1: So like he's he's more like you probably could name
32:28
Speaker 1: your prize for Luis Robert Jr. And again, there is
32:31
Speaker 1: an element of value that he brings. The other name
32:36
Speaker 1: is a dullist Garcia. The Rangers still feel like I
32:41
Speaker 1: don't necessarily know exactly what they want to do. Keep
32:46
Speaker 1: in mind, Sky Harris made two trades last year with
32:49
Speaker 1: Chris Young with the Rangers, so there is at least
32:51
Speaker 1: some sort of, you know, professional familiarity there so they
32:57
Speaker 1: could have conversations. And Gara Sea is a guy that
33:01
Speaker 1: has He is a postseason hero in Texas so and
33:05
Speaker 1: he has excellent postseason experience. He's actually a reverse split guy.
33:10
Speaker 1: He does way better against ights uh than lefties, and
33:14
Speaker 1: he is an elite defender. He's still despite his at
33:18
Speaker 1: times atrocious uh uh production at the plate. He's still
33:25
Speaker 1: a two point two war player this year. So that
33:26
Speaker 1: gives you an idea of how how how elite defensively
33:30
Speaker 1: is and what his and and what his value is
33:32
Speaker 1: also on the base pads as well, So like he
33:35
Speaker 1: would shore up your defense in a very strong way,
33:38
Speaker 1: and he would give you postseason experience and would I
33:42
Speaker 1: think I like, I think players like the Dolis Garcia.
33:45
Speaker 1: I think he would be a good clubhouse presidence as well.
33:49
Speaker 1: And again contractually, he's uh just pulled it up right here.
33:55
Speaker 1: He is under team control next season as well, So
33:58
Speaker 1: like there's a little you look at.
34:01
Speaker 2: It two ways.
34:01
Speaker 1: One and like you might have you on the hook
34:06
Speaker 1: next season for you know, a decent penny, not expensive,
34:09
Speaker 1: but more than what the Tigers are typically paying for
34:11
Speaker 1: guys right now. But if he turns out to be something,
34:15
Speaker 1: he's still an asset that you have in your organization
34:19
Speaker 1: that you know you could do a variety of things with.
34:21
Speaker 1: So those are two Like I said, by low candidates,
34:25
Speaker 1: is there a way for them to have a role?
34:28
Speaker 1: I think yes, uh, And it would be a little
34:31
Speaker 1: bit of outside the box thinking. So that's all I'm
34:34
Speaker 1: not I'm not like, I'm not trying to take my
34:36
Speaker 1: reputation on this, but I was just looking for a
34:38
Speaker 1: couple of things that make some sense.
34:41
Speaker 2: That's all some sense.
34:43
Speaker 3: Yeah, I'm not pretty hard know on both these players.
34:47
Speaker 3: They have some admirable trades, both of them, but one
34:50
Speaker 3: they both strike out a lot. We were just talking
34:51
Speaker 3: about with rate. These guys don't help you there, Luis Robert.
34:56
Speaker 3: To get him on your roster, you probably I have
35:00
Speaker 3: to be comfortable optioning Parker Meadows only to replace them
35:03
Speaker 3: with the guy who's hitting two oh six. You're just
35:07
Speaker 3: banking on an offensive rebound. I think I'd bank on
35:11
Speaker 3: Parker Meadows before I gave up assets to basically take
35:14
Speaker 3: a similar gamble when Leise Robert while also changing your
35:18
Speaker 3: clubhouse chemistry for a guy who hasn't played on a
35:21
Speaker 3: winning team in a long time, I just don't. I
35:24
Speaker 3: just don't like it. A Doley Scarcia. If this was
35:28
Speaker 3: a movie you could do in the offseason, I wouldn't
35:30
Speaker 3: hate hate it.
35:31
Speaker 2: He has value.
35:32
Speaker 3: Again, you just point out his war through his defense alone,
35:35
Speaker 3: even though he's been pretty atrocious of the plate, he
35:37
Speaker 3: has value. To get the value out of his defense
35:39
Speaker 3: you have to play him every day in right field,
35:42
Speaker 3: which means where you're playing Kerry Carpenter, who we just
35:45
Speaker 3: talked about DH Well, that means probably a little less
35:49
Speaker 3: playing time for col Keith. You have Matt Vierlang, Zach McKinstry,
35:52
Speaker 3: Winsle Pariz. You just have a lot of guys and
35:56
Speaker 3: you're going to put a guy who has really fallen
35:59
Speaker 3: off there. Offensively, I just don't think you can justify
36:03
Speaker 3: giving a player like Garcia playing time on this Tigers team.
36:08
Speaker 1: Sure, I mean those that's it's very valid pushback. That
36:15
Speaker 1: thought process is going to play itself out for a
36:17
Speaker 1: lot of guys that you know, the Tigers internally are considering,
36:21
Speaker 1: or maybe some guys that they get called on about.
36:25
Speaker 3: So then I think there's a I think that leads
36:30
Speaker 3: me to a little bit of a big report, which
36:32
Speaker 3: is like what is worth it offensively that this can
36:36
Speaker 3: I said, I've made my mind up on Suarez, and
36:38
Speaker 3: I think I have, but I still go back and
36:40
Speaker 3: forth in my mind, like is it worth chasing Randall
36:44
Speaker 3: Gritchick and hopes you get a thirty point higher ops
36:48
Speaker 3: and the then Jami Jones would give you down the stretch,
36:51
Speaker 3: like is that worth it, and you're still gambling and
36:54
Speaker 3: it's not even a sure thing, and you have other
36:56
Speaker 3: internal options in Jayhen and Andy obanye Is and don't
36:59
Speaker 3: forget about how you lee who might actually debut by
37:02
Speaker 3: season's end if they're not, you know, another hitter added.
37:08
Speaker 3: That's actually kind of hard to justify, but it is.
37:11
Speaker 3: It also is like maybe that's one of those small
37:13
Speaker 3: little upgrades that the Tigers kind of pride themselves on,
37:16
Speaker 3: and it's like, okay, well, if you don't think that's
37:18
Speaker 3: worth it, then the only thing that is worth it
37:19
Speaker 3: is to get a dude to get us wore as
37:22
Speaker 3: type who you were right in the lineup at the
37:23
Speaker 3: same position every single day, and then you lose the
37:27
Speaker 3: whole thing you've built this team on, which is the
37:29
Speaker 3: versatility in the end game matchups and all that. So
37:33
Speaker 3: I don't have it. I don't have a great answer
37:34
Speaker 3: to that question. I think the Tigers are such a
37:36
Speaker 3: uniquely built team. I still think big picture five years
37:42
Speaker 3: from now, for like, I think the best construction is
37:46
Speaker 3: still a team with a bunch of dudes that you
37:48
Speaker 3: don't necessarily have to platoon. I mean, it's easier said
37:50
Speaker 3: than done to get those guys, but for this team,
37:55
Speaker 3: that's a tough question to answer on if either of
37:58
Speaker 3: those things are actually worth it.
38:04
Speaker 1: Yeah, And then there's also an element of if you're
38:09
Speaker 1: you know, your projections offensively are still kind of on
38:12
Speaker 1: the margins, are you are you looking for somebody who
38:17
Speaker 1: has more of a defensive profile than an offensive profile,
38:23
Speaker 1: Like I'm just not rolling that out like in my mind,
38:26
Speaker 1: like it's like, well, this guy is gonna really this
38:28
Speaker 1: guy's gonna make a run differential difference, you know, on
38:33
Speaker 1: the grass or dirt, you know what I mean, But
38:34
Speaker 1: like not necessarily like at the plate. I just think
38:37
Speaker 1: there's probably somebody out there that they could acquire or
38:41
Speaker 1: internal or whatever that would play that part there too,
38:43
Speaker 1: because defense was part of this team's you know, m
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Speaker 1: basically as long as AJ's been there.
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Speaker 2: And it's not that it's not now, but.
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Speaker 1: I would say there's less suredness in certain aspects of
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Speaker 1: the lineup than I think we're probably used to.
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Speaker 3: So, you know, it was just like, yeah, for as
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Speaker 3: much as we talk about how free agency is actually
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Speaker 3: like not efficient, getting players like the ones maybe you
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Speaker 3: just mentioned makes more sense if you you can get
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Speaker 3: a guy on the cheapen, free agency, one year deal, whatever,
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Speaker 3: Try to take a chance on them, try to help them,
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Speaker 3: you know, grow in the offseason, because you're not giving
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Speaker 3: up anything unless it's a qualifying off or guy, and
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Speaker 3: you're just giving up a pick at the deadline, you
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Speaker 3: are giving up your internal assets. Again, should the Tigers
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Speaker 3: be hoarding prospects? That's a whole other episode and a
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Speaker 3: whole o their debate. But reality is, I think these
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Speaker 3: guys really value their draft picks and they're not or
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Speaker 3: their their prospects, and they're not even if it's their
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Speaker 3: twenty ninth best prospect. I don't know that they want
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Speaker 3: to give that up for some guy who may or
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Speaker 3: may not help them in a two month span.
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Speaker 1: Yeah, and I'll probably say this a couple of times
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Speaker 1: before the trade deadline, and you know, depend on what
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Speaker 1: happens after the trade deadline. I think this clubhouse could
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Speaker 1: use a little bit of indication from the front office
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Speaker 1: like hey, we're not going for in the sense of
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Speaker 1: like putting everything on the table, but just like some
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Speaker 1: sort of like hey, they they they got us, they
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Speaker 1: got us, you know, another horse or whatever, and you know,
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Speaker 1: let's go as opposed to all these guys have known
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Speaker 1: is like seeing their teammates with their bags half packed.
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Speaker 1: You know, they're most or less the entire time they've
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Speaker 1: been in the Major League. So I think that, you know,
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Speaker 1: I think that would be fun. We'll do a vibe
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Speaker 1: check after the trade deadline regardless.
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Speaker 3: But I think which is more validating. Hey, we're gonna
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Speaker 3: go get you guys a couple more horses, Sorry, a
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Speaker 3: couple of y'all have to leave to make room for
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Speaker 3: these horses. Is or we have the team. You guys
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Speaker 3: are the team. We're not. We maybe we'll get one
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Speaker 3: or two more guys in here, but we think you
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Speaker 3: are all we need.
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Speaker 2: If it was a sports movie, it'd be the latter.
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Speaker 1: It's like everything we need is in this room. Unfortunately,
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Speaker 1: not everything's a sports movie. But but that's true. That
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Speaker 1: that is that is also a fair thought as well.
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Speaker 2: All Right, that's it.
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Speaker 1: We won't talk about trade deadline anymore until until next year.
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Speaker 2: Just kidding.
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Speaker 1: We're gonna keep talking about the trade deadline up into
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Speaker 1: the trade deadline. Then we will react shortly after the
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Speaker 1: trade deadline, so literally a week from now, we'll have
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Speaker 1: a we'll have a podcast up reacting to the moves
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Speaker 1: the Tigers did or did not make, so hope you
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Speaker 1: guys will join us for that.
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Speaker 2: Of course, we will have.
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Speaker 1: An episode a couple episodes before that as well anything else,
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Speaker 1: Cody before we get out of here. All right, all right,
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Speaker 1: wherever you get your podcasts. We appreciate all of you,
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Speaker 2: Everybody have great