Latest / True Crime California / TCC #20 The Napa Halloween Massacre
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- 0:32Speaker 1: Hi guys, Hey everyone, welcome to True Crime California. I'm
- 0:40your host Cindy and I'm glad you're here. Hey everybody,
- 0:54I'm back with another case. Sorry, I think I'm like
- 0:57a day late. Here we go, but a no fault
- 1:01eviction about a week ago from our landlords. They're going
- 1:04to renovate this entire house, and when we moved in,
- 1:08they didn't bother telling us that, so we've only been
- 1:09here for a year. We told them we wanted to
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- 1:15And now they're kicking us out because our country is
- 1:17a capitalist healthscape nightmare and fuck everybody. So we've been
- 1:21having to move all week, which has put recording on
- 1:25the back burner a little bit. So I apologize for
- 1:27being late, but in any case, it's October my favorite
- 1:30month of the year, so nothing's going to bring me
- 1:32down for too long. And to celebrate October and Halloween
- 1:36and spooky season, I'm going to be doing cases as
- 1:40many as I can find that are worth the time,
- 1:43that involve murders on or around Halloween night or Halloween
- 1:47themed murders. And I'm starting with a classic. It's a
- 1:51modern day classic. This occurred in two thousand and four.
- 1:54I feel like a lot of the cases I've been
- 1:55covering have been a little bit more vintage, so I'm
- 1:58bringing it into the two thousand and this is the
- 2:01case of the Napa Halloween Massacre of two thousand and four. Now,
- 2:08the story begins at the beginning of two thousand and four,
- 2:11maybe like around April, when twenty six year old Adrian
- 2:15and Sonia and twenty five year old Laura Mianza move
- 2:18in together into a three bedroom home in Napa, California
- 2:22on Dorset Street. Napa is wine country. It's a super
- 2:27sleepy town, very very quiet, no real nightlife, a lot
- 2:31of families and pretty well off families. Like I said,
- 2:33it's wine country, so there's tons and tons of vineyards.
- 2:36I would say anywhere from like Santa Barbara to Napa
- 2:39in California along the coast is going to be good
- 2:42wine growing land, but Napa is really known for it.
- 2:46So if anybody listening is a wine drinker, you have
- 2:48probably had some wine from Napa before. So it's a
- 2:51very rich, very quiet, very chill place to live. And
- 2:57Adrian had actually grown up in Calistoga, which is like
- 3:00basically in Napa. She was born in Napa and then
- 3:03Lauren grew up in the same area, so they were
- 3:05friends before they moved in together. Adrian was a recent
- 3:08graduate from San Luis Obispo, where she attended until two
- 3:12thousand and one, receiving her degree in engineering, so no,
- 3:16there was not overlap between her and Kristin smart. They
- 3:18missed each other by about a year, but again lately
- 3:22everything's been coming back to Kristin, which is interesting. So Adrian,
- 3:27after graduating, was hired as a civil engineer by the
- 3:31city of Napa and decided it would be a great
- 3:34place to settle into her adulthood because she really liked
- 3:37the chill vibes. Lauren was similar. She was career oriented
- 3:41and enjoyed living in Napa because of the quiet vibes,
- 3:43because it was safe. You know, I think there's two
- 3:46types of people. There's the type that grow up somewhere
- 3:48quiet and easy, and they yearn for craziness and chaos.
- 3:51That would be me, So we moved to big cities
- 3:55and we get kind of swept up in you know,
- 3:57big city living. And then there's people like Adrian and
- 4:01Lauren who just want to continue the chill. They just
- 4:04want to stay somewhere quiet. Some are easy, somewhere nice,
- 4:08and that's what these two did. So totally. I totally understand.
- 4:13Now when I say Napa was safe, I mean it
- 4:16still is. What I'm saying is, before this case, there
- 4:20had not been a murder in Napa for over two years,
- 4:23which may not sound like much, but it is very significant. Now.
- 4:27Big cities like la where I live, have as many
- 4:29as three hundred or more murders per year. So comparatively,
- 4:34this place is like the Truman Show, which I'm dating
- 4:36myself by saying that if you haven't seen it, it's
- 4:38a Jim Carey classic. Check it out. Anyway. After a
- 4:41few months in the house, the two invite a third
- 4:44woman to live with them. This woman is twenty five
- 4:47year old Leslie Moraza, who had recently moved to the
- 4:51area to be closer with her mother, or closer to
- 4:54her mother. She was already very close with her mother.
- 4:57Leslie was a former beauty queen from South ca Carolina
- 5:01who had just had like kind of a bad and
- 5:03weird breakup and I'll talk about it in a minute,
- 5:05but she needed to be closer to her mom for support,
- 5:08and she just kind of wanted to start over now.
- 5:10Leslie was a little different than Adrian and Lauren because
- 5:15she liked to go out, she liked to date. She
- 5:19wasn't as career focused. She had had like a fairly
- 5:23you know, serious job in South Carolina, but coming out
- 5:25to California, she was kind of taking it easy, living
- 5:29her young life, doing the twenties thing. And in fact,
- 5:32when she moved out to Napa, she landed a job
- 5:35as a hostess at a winery owned by Francis Ford Coppola.
- 5:39So again not looking for a career, just looking for
- 5:41a job, looking to get back on her feet, and
- 5:44enjoying her youth.
- 5:46Speaker 2: Now.
- 5:46Speaker 1: Even though they were all very different, the three women
- 5:49got along really well and Adrian at one point told
- 5:52her mom that she planned to live in the house
- 5:55as long as she was able. She loved the house,
- 5:58she really liked her roommates. Everything was going really well.
- 6:02Speaker 2: Now.
- 6:02Speaker 1: As I had mentioned, Adrian and Lauren were both from
- 6:04the area, and as a result, they had friends from
- 6:06childhood who they were still very close with. One of
- 6:09these friends, Lily Prudom, considered Adrian like her best friend
- 6:14or one of her very best friends, and was close
- 6:16with Adrian's entire family, including like her mother and her sister.
- 6:21You know. So it made sense that on the night
- 6:23that Adrian and Lauren moved in, Lily and her fiance,
- 6:26Eric Copple, would not only help them move in, but
- 6:28celebrate with some glasses of wine that same evening. Now,
- 6:33when I say that Lily and Adrian were good friends,
- 6:36I mean they were like super close and in fact,
- 6:39just a couple of months after Adrianne moved in, she
- 6:42and Lily got together to celebrate the tenure anniversary of
- 6:46Adrian surviving a car accident that should have killed her
- 6:50when she was sixteen years old and still in high school.
- 6:53This was a very significant milestone for Adrian, As she
- 6:57referred to that date of the accident. As the nun,
- 7:00she was supposed to die, which, considering what happens next,
- 7:04lends an extra level of eeriness to this story. Now,
- 7:10as far as Lily and Eric go, they were engaged
- 7:14to be married, but they'd put their wedding on hold
- 7:16and weren't yet set on a date despite having been
- 7:18together for nearly eight years. Eric was very quiet and shy,
- 7:23but he was a really nice guy, really helpful with
- 7:25the move and while he was quiet, Lily was very
- 7:28loud and boisterous. So they made for an odd but
- 7:31seemingly really good couple, sort of filling in the gaps
- 7:33on the other's personality in a way. Now, beyond these
- 7:37two friends, Adrian and Lauren had other friends in the area,
- 7:40and Adrian was also dating a man named Christian, with
- 7:43whom she had been on again off again for quite
- 7:46some time, most recently around the fall of two thousand
- 7:49and four. Adrian had really started pushing for Christian to
- 7:53commit to her, but he kept telling her he wasn't ready,
- 7:56and this led to a lot of arguments between the two.
- 7:58And like, I totally understand this. They're in their mid
- 8:01twenties and I think Adrian had always sort of been
- 8:04on this like more mature track, like she's trying to
- 8:07get to, like, I don't know, like the adult part
- 8:10of her life. And what I have to tell you
- 8:12is like I'm kind of with Christian here, like, don't
- 8:15be in a hurry to grow up, enjoy your youth,
- 8:17go out, have fun. Shit only gets harder as you
- 8:20get older. Trust me, I'm an old ass lady. I'm
- 8:22forty two. Like you want to enjoy the years while
- 8:26you can. But anyway, I think you know. This caused
- 8:29a lot of sort of arguing between the two. Nothing crazy,
- 8:33but they definitely were known for like making up and
- 8:36breaking up, and it's like, you know, they really liked
- 8:39each other, but they just couldn't get on the same page. Now,
- 8:43Lauren was single, didn't seem to be dating, and lived
- 8:46in the bottom room of the house with her dog.
- 8:50Now Leslie, the newest roommate, who lived in one of
- 8:52the upstairs rooms next to Lauren, as I mentioned, loved dating,
- 8:56loved meeting new people, and was off and out on dates,
- 9:00kind of always looking for mister Wright or maybe even
- 9:02just mister right now. Before Leslie had moved to Napa,
- 9:05she did have a long term boyfriend, but eventually had
- 9:08to break it off because his dad was creeping her
- 9:11out by calling her multiple times a day, quote, just
- 9:15to talk, according to him, and he would do this
- 9:19when he knew his son wasn't home. So like, his
- 9:22son was in this very serious relationship with Leslie and
- 9:25this dad was just like super creeping on her. Leslie
- 9:29eventually said he made her so uncomfortable that she couldn't
- 9:31continue the relationship with his son, so she broke it
- 9:34off with him and left for California to get a
- 9:36fresh start. Now, I believe just before this breakup, she
- 9:40had actually dated another young man who, after she broke
- 9:43it off with him, dedicated an entire website to her.
- 9:47And this wasn't a like fuck Leslie website. This was
- 9:50a like You're an angel on Earth, I'm in love
- 9:52with you, I'll never get over you kind of website, which,
- 9:55while less like angry, is also real, real fuck creepy.
- 10:01So there's something about her. I mean, she was a
- 10:03beauty queen, but I think she was also just a
- 10:05really charismatic person and something about her just drove men wild. Anyway,
- 10:11everything went well at the house for a while, but
- 10:13on October twenty ninth, two thousand and four, the roommates
- 10:16ended up getting into a little bit of a not
- 10:18a fight, but maybe like a stressed conversation over Leslie
- 10:23bringing home one of the men she was dating. Now,
- 10:26apparently none of the women had had a single man
- 10:29stay the night to this point, and it hadn't ever
- 10:31really been something that came up in discussion, mostly because
- 10:34it hadn't needed to before this point. But apparently beyond
- 10:38this never being something that they discussed, Leslie and this
- 10:41particular man friend were I say, man friend, man friend
- 10:46were pretty loud that night, if you catch my drift,
- 10:49and Adrian and Lauren were both like, not real cool
- 10:52with that, which totally fair. The trio had a house
- 10:55meeting and eventually came to the conclusion that they were
- 10:57all adults and that they could have men spend the night.
- 11:00But I do expect they probably laid some ground rules
- 11:02before they came to this agreement. But with this, harmony
- 11:05was restored to the home and the young women went
- 11:08back to life at usual as usual at least for
- 11:11the next two days. On the night of Halloween October
- 11:16thirty first, two thousand and four, the three women stayed
- 11:20home together and passed out candy, and as later confirmed
- 11:23by Lauren, they were all in bed by eleven pm. Now,
- 11:28around two am, Lauren, who again was in the downstairs room,
- 11:32woke up when she saw the security light gone outside
- 11:35the house. Now this happened from time to time, and
- 11:38she sort of just, you know, told herself, Oh, it's
- 11:41one of Adrian's cats walking around outside. Go back to
- 11:44bed now, quick note, does this remind anyone else of
- 11:48a particular case that is much more recent? This has
- 11:51Idaho murders all over it, And as we know, Brian
- 11:54Koberger was a big true crime person. So I'm wondering
- 11:58if he knew about this case, because if he didn't,
- 11:59a hell of a fucking coincidence like down to like
- 12:02the downstairs upstairs, the downstairs roommate being left alive, like
- 12:07it wouldn't surprise me if he didn't attack the downstairs
- 12:10roommate on purpose to make it like this case, because
- 12:12he's that fucking crazy anyway. So a minute or so
- 12:16after the light goes on, Lauren begins hearing what sounds
- 12:19like somebody moving around downstairs, and she's like, oh, it's
- 12:24probably one of Leslie's boyfriends. I didn't know they were
- 12:26coming over, but they're trying, obviously trying to be quiet.
- 12:29I'll just leave it alone. Now, her dog started barking
- 12:32at this point, and so she quieted the dog down
- 12:35and tried to go back to sleep. Moments later, she
- 12:38hears what sounds like a fight upstairs, and then she
- 12:41hears Adrian yelling for help. She later said that she
- 12:44heard Adrian yell, oh God, please help me, Somebody help me.
- 12:49Lauren came out of her room and as she was
- 12:52coming out, she saw a man running down the stairs.
- 12:55Now she panics at this time, which is totally fair,
- 12:58and she runs out the back door into the yard
- 13:00before realizing there's no way out from there. So she's like,
- 13:04oh my god, I'm stuck in this yard. If this
- 13:06man comes after me, he's gonna kill me. Luckily, she
- 13:10saw the man run back out the way he came
- 13:13in through the front of the house, and as soon
- 13:15as he was gone, she ran back inside and went
- 13:19upstairs to help her roommates. Now what she saw was horrific.
- 13:25Leslie was lying in her bed, I believe, face down
- 13:28in a huge pool of blood, completely covered by stab
- 13:31wounds and not moving. Adrian was crouched next to the bed,
- 13:36still able to talk, but bleeding profusely and very quickly
- 13:40losing consciousness. She was asking for help, so Lauren ran
- 13:44downstairs to call police from their landline, but it was dead.
- 13:48Now I don't know if it was cut or if
- 13:49it just happened to not be working. She then goes
- 13:52back upstairs, checks on the roommates, grabs her cell phone,
- 13:56and runs out into her car while calling nine one
- 13:59one for five help. Now, I think it's very smart for
- 14:02her to get in her car if the man is
- 14:04still there, if he's coming back, She's gonna be a
- 14:06lot safer if she can drive away or just lock
- 14:09the doors. You know. I know that when you're on
- 14:13the phone with a nine one one, they're going to
- 14:14try to get you to help the injured victims. But like,
- 14:17there was nothing that she could do at this point,
- 14:18and he could have still been around, So she calls
- 14:21nine to one one, but unfortunately, by the time the
- 14:23paramedics arrived, both Adrian and Leslie were dead. Now, shockingly,
- 14:30police took this incident extremely seriously right from the jump
- 14:34and with good reason, With zero solid leads and not
- 14:36a lot of evidence. The killer could be anyone, anywhere
- 14:39and could strike again at any time. The residents of
- 14:43Napa were all terrified, and the families and friends of
- 14:45these young women were completely destroyed. They were just you know,
- 14:49and Lauren having survived like the nightmares she endured the trauma.
- 14:54I mean, it's unspeakable. It's just terrible. Friends and family
- 14:58held candlelight vigils in the victim's names, and it really
- 15:01brought many of their friends together in grief. Lily, Adrian's
- 15:05closest friend, was especially affected and had a very hard
- 15:08time in the following weeks and months. As a result,
- 15:12she decided it was finally time to marry Eric, with
- 15:15whom she had been on again, off again in terms
- 15:18of their marriage plans. In fact, what's crazy is they
- 15:21had originally been meant to wed on November first, the
- 15:25day that Adrian and Leslie were murdered, and she and
- 15:28Eric took it as a sign that they were meant
- 15:30to be and thought that maybe if they had married
- 15:32on that date, none of this would have happened, because maybe,
- 15:35you know, Adrian would have been at her wedding instead,
- 15:37which I think is something that happens when people are mourning,
- 15:40Like they come up with different ways to cope, like
- 15:42finding signs and meanings and things, and I totally understand that,
- 15:45and also like they're not wrong necessarily right. So the
- 15:49two wed the following summer, and Adrian's mother and sister
- 15:52were invited to speak at the wedding in memory of Adrian,
- 15:55who absolutely would have been a bridesmaid, if not the
- 15:57maid of honor. Meanwhile, the police are going real hard
- 16:01on this case. Both Leslie and Adrian were stabbed to death,
- 16:05and while Lily was killed, not Lily. While Leslie was
- 16:09killed in her bed and had no signs of defensive wounds,
- 16:12Adrian had put up one hell of a fight. Now,
- 16:16because of this, police expected to find the killer's blood
- 16:19in the room, as bloody knife handles tend to get
- 16:21a little slippery, which can lead to attackers accidentally cutting
- 16:24themselves on the blade. Add to that the fact that
- 16:27Adrian was a former student athlete, and police figured you'd
- 16:31have an attacker who was almost certainly injured, and they
- 16:34were right in Leslie's room on either a wall or
- 16:37a curtain. By the wall, police found a spot of
- 16:40blood that they found did not belong to either victim.
- 16:44They took this blood and got a DNA profile and
- 16:46found it belonged to a white man of European ancestry,
- 16:50who likely had blonde hair and blue eyes. It's crazy
- 16:54that they can get that specific even in two thousand
- 16:56and four, but they certainly could now at the I'm seeing.
- 17:00They also found three cigarette butts smoked down to the filter,
- 17:04meaning whoever did this was outside pondering their decision for
- 17:07a while before taking action. Police ran these for DNA
- 17:12and as you can guess, it matched the blood found
- 17:15in the house. And further, they found that the brand
- 17:18of cigarette was Camel Turkish Gold, which in two thousand
- 17:22and four was a new and difficult to find brand,
- 17:25so definitely not something everybody would smoke. So that would
- 17:29probably help them find their suspect. All they had to
- 17:32do is find people smoking that brand and go from there.
- 17:36So this was a great lead, but police did not
- 17:40release this information right away because they weren't ready yet
- 17:44to pounce on their suspect and they didn't want people
- 17:46suddenly switching brands right now. Throughout the investigation, police interviewed
- 17:51something like a thousand people. They got DNA from over
- 17:53two hundred men in the area and hundreds of pieces
- 17:56of evidence as well. They also got DNA from basically
- 17:59any any man who had been in these women's lives. Now.
- 18:04Police initially believed that Leslie had been the target, as
- 18:08she was killed first while in bed, and you know,
- 18:12it makes sense because she was dating around, she had
- 18:14so many suitors, and also it looked as though Adrian
- 18:17was only killed because she heard the commotion and unfortunately
- 18:20got involved. Although police definitely checked in on adrian sometimes
- 18:24boyfriend Christian, he had a rock solid alibi, and everybody
- 18:27was like, no, he's not They're not to the point
- 18:29where he wants to kill Adrian. Like most of the time,
- 18:32if you're not married to somebody and like legally bound
- 18:35to them, you're not gonna kill them because they want
- 18:37more out of a relationship than you do, like you
- 18:39just break up, you know, So it didn't make sense
- 18:41for him to kill her, and also everybody was like,
- 18:44no way, And also he had an alibi, and also
- 18:47his DNA didn't match, but they did look into him.
- 18:50So they focused on Leslie's love life because they're like,
- 18:53that's probably where we're going to get the best leads,
- 18:56and at first they really looked into the X with
- 18:59the website as well as Creepy Dad, but both of
- 19:02them were like across the country in South Carolina, and
- 19:06you know, a website friend was weird, but sweet creepy
- 19:10Dad just had proof that he wasn't in California, But like,
- 19:14what the fuck? Bro like so fucking weird? Really really
- 19:18don't love that, So they keep looking at, you know,
- 19:21all of her other men that she's dating and people
- 19:23that she's like hanging out with. Unfortunately, none of these
- 19:26suspects led anywhere, and after almost a year it seemed
- 19:31like police were running out of leads. But remember they
- 19:34still have those cigarette butts and had been smart in
- 19:37not releasing information about them to this point. Now finally
- 19:40they've collected all this DNA and they feel like they
- 19:44are running out of leads, so it's time to let
- 19:46this out into the public and to clarify. They hadn't
- 19:49actually even told anyone that they had found cigarette butts,
- 19:52so it wasn't even just like, oh, we don't know
- 19:54the brand. They hadn't released any information about the cigarettes.
- 19:58So finally they say, hey, oh, why everybody, we found
- 20:01cigarettes at the location like outside the house, they matched
- 20:05the blood of the suspect. Now, upon hearing this, Lauren,
- 20:08who had obviously, you know, since moved out of the house,
- 20:11reaches out to police and she's like, hey, I only
- 20:13know one person in Adrian or Leslie's life who smoked.
- 20:17Now that person was Lily's husband, Eric Copple. Now the
- 20:22police have this information, they decided it's a good idea
- 20:25to release the specific cigarettes being smoked, noting their camel
- 20:30Turkish gold. Eric's family, including new wife Lily, heard this
- 20:36information and immediately knew Eric was the killer, and before
- 20:41he could be arrested, they convinced him to turn himself in.
- 20:45Now I want to note here that Eric had given
- 20:47his DNA to police, but they hadn't run it as
- 20:49far as I know, because he'd not been considered a suspect.
- 20:51And I think like it was definitely the mix of,
- 20:54like his willingness to cooperate, the fact that, like he
- 20:58was so close with the family, and the fact that,
- 20:59like Leslie had so many potential suspects that kind of
- 21:03kept him off the police radar, but also the way
- 21:07he played along was like super super fucking scummy. Now,
- 21:11this was obviously super upsetting to people, as they still
- 21:13couldn't understand why it took so long to catch him
- 21:16when he was right there in front of police again
- 21:20a wolf in sheep's clothing. It was obviously also extremely
- 21:24shocking to Adrian's friends and family, including Lily, who pretty
- 21:27much immediately annulled the wedding and distanced herself from Eric
- 21:30the moment she found out what he did. Now, upon
- 21:33turning himself in, Eric offered no motive and did what
- 21:35all little bitch ass motherfuckers do when they get caught,
- 21:38pretended he didn't remember what happened, though, He's like, yeah,
- 21:41I know I killed Leslie and Adrian, but I just
- 21:43can't remember any of the specifics. He basically said, Oh,
- 21:48I have a drinking problem and I'm depressed, and that's
- 21:50why this all happened, and that's it, and that's like
- 21:52all he would fucking say, which is really fucking irritating.
- 21:58He said the night it happened, he and Lily had
- 21:59been fighting because he drank too much and she was
- 22:02sick of his drinking. Apparently, like I said, he had
- 22:04a problem with this, which had been one of the
- 22:07main reasons they didn't get married before Adrian's death. So
- 22:10on this night, he was super drunk and Leslie was
- 22:13so angry with him that she refused to even talk
- 22:15to him. So Eric leaves wherever they are, and when
- 22:18he leaves, he's super pissed off. And while he's never
- 22:21admitted it, the police have a theory that he blamed
- 22:25Adrian for his problems with Lily, which makes total sense really, like,
- 22:29if he's this much of a fuck up, if he's
- 22:31like an alcoholic, he has depression, and he's really just
- 22:34kind of like a bummer dude, then Adrian, who really
- 22:37had her life together and really cared about Lily, would
- 22:39of course suggest that he wasn't good enough for her
- 22:41friend and that Lily could do better. And I mean,
- 22:45with all things we know, I think it's fair to
- 22:47say she was right. So in Eric's shitty little brain,
- 22:50he decided that Adrian is to blame for his relationship issues,
- 22:53because of course it's not anything he's done right, Like,
- 22:56he's just a victim, and so he decides on this
- 22:58night that he's going to do something about it. He
- 23:02of course can't remember where he got the knife, but
- 23:04he remembers breaking into the house and going upstairs and
- 23:07accidentally finding Leslie first. Now, as far as Leslie goes,
- 23:11he never gave a reason for killing her, and he
- 23:12didn't even really know her, so it was really just
- 23:16wrong place, wrong time, which is so fucking horrific. And
- 23:20it's also crazy that it sent the police on this
- 23:22wild goose chase for a suspect connected to her when
- 23:25she's just a very unlucky victim. So now they have
- 23:29Eric in custody, and you know, being the great guy
- 23:31that he is, even though he can't remember what he did,
- 23:34he knows he did it. So he decides to plead
- 23:37guilty to all charges to avoid the family having to
- 23:40go through a trial and in my opinion, probably much
- 23:42more likely to avoid the death penalty. So while he sentenced,
- 23:46the family is still able to make impact statements, and
- 23:48Lily also made one, saying she could not love Eric
- 23:52any less and apologizing to both families on his behalf.
- 23:57Eric is still in prisoned at this day with no
- 23:59chance of ever being released, and you know, this is
- 24:02just such a crazy story because it's so random that
- 24:04he would murder his girlfriend's best friend out of jealousy.
- 24:07Like usually, love triangles involve the people who are romantically
- 24:12involved and not just like a random friend that you're
- 24:15mad at. It's really fucking weird. And then for him
- 24:19to continue playing the supportive boyfriend, like I feel like, Okay,
- 24:22so there's Idaho murders, but then there's also Gabby Petito.
- 24:27What was that guy's name? Another fucking Brian. What's up
- 24:30with a dude's name? Brian? No offense if there's any
- 24:32Brian's listening. You're doing the lord's work, making your name,
- 24:36giving your name a better name, as it were. But
- 24:38like that guy when he's in that police interview is
- 24:42very clear that he needs to be seen as like
- 24:44a good guy and like helpful, and I feel like
- 24:47that's kind of what's going on with this dude Eric
- 24:49as well. He's like has to be seen as like
- 24:51the good guy, the helpful, stoic husband, like lifting his
- 24:56wife up in her time of need. When he's the
- 24:58motherfucking killer, it's like so twisted how people are. It's
- 25:02so evil. And to just kill Leslie randomly because she
- 25:06was there, I mean, dude, fucking sucks. I honestly think
- 25:09he probably would have attacked Lauren as well, but the
- 25:12dog was probably what stopped him Anyway, I'm glad he's
- 25:16locked up forever, and I hope the families, you know,
- 25:18find peace as difficult as I'm sure that is. You know,
- 25:21it's this time of year that this happened, and I'm
- 25:24sure they relive it every year. You know, it's been
- 25:27twenty one years. It's really fucked up, And uh yeah,
- 25:31that's my story. This one's a little bit shorter, short
- 25:34and punchy, as my old podcasting friend Diva used to say.
- 25:38But I think it's a really interesting case, and especially
- 25:41because of the way it ties into so many other cases,
- 25:43not so many, but like definitely the Idaho murders, and
- 25:46then sort of getting like the mentality of the murderer
- 25:49being so similar to that other fucking Gabby Potito dude,
- 25:53I forget his name, something laundry and Brian Laundry. Is
- 25:55that it? Anyway? Fuck that guy. So anyway, hopefully you
- 25:58guys like this episode. Sorry it's late. I am literally
- 26:02sitting in my new house, So if I sound a
- 26:04little echoey, like my neighbors are having a party, my
- 26:07dogs won't stop licking their asses and barking, Like there's
- 26:10just so much noise at my other house. So I
- 26:14was like, fuck it, I have this halfway moved into
- 26:16house with nobody in it. So I came over here
- 26:19and started recording, and I think is a little bit better.
- 26:23So hopefully, hopefully this sounds okay. I shouldn't keep calling
- 26:26it out. I don't want anybody to focus on sound quality.
- 26:28I know a lot of any podcasts have issues with it,
- 26:31but it's really important to me to get it fixed,
- 26:33So just calling out again. Anyway, I'll be back next
- 26:36week with another hopefully Halloween inspired story, and thanks everybody
- 26:40for listening. Please like rate review, and until next week,
- 26:43stay safe.