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SMNTY Classics: Female Serial Killers, Part 2 · Stuff Mom Never Told You

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Speaker 1: Hey, this is Annie and sa Ansa. I welcome to stuff.
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Speaker 1: I never told your production of iHeart Radio. Did you
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Speaker 1: like how I introduced myself? And this is a question
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Speaker 1: as if that's me? I like it. Yeah, we're really
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Speaker 1: mixing up the centro, especially you're having a time. It's
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Speaker 1: just a big question of who am I? I understand.
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Speaker 1: Well that kind of relates to my question, which is
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Speaker 1: a two parter. I was going to ask this part second,
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Speaker 1: but this is too good to lead in. Do you
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Speaker 1: have like, oh man, this is a deep one. What
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Speaker 1: if I came to you and I was like, look,
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Speaker 1: I've killed some people, what would you do? I would
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Speaker 1: ask questions, and many of them being did they deserve it?
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Speaker 1: Or what did they do to you? Are you going
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Speaker 1: to kill me? Ah? And and also have you done
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Speaker 1: better for the world? Okay, yeah, I mean I feel
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Speaker 1: like that's the logical next step. I do think Again,
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Speaker 1: we've been reading this book Ace by Angela Chan and
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Speaker 1: I have not seen Gray's Anatomy. I promise this relates.
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Speaker 1: I know it doesn't sound like it does, but where
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Speaker 1: they're talking about who's your person, who's the person who
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Speaker 1: would like hide the body with you? I think that
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Speaker 1: it would be very difficult if someone you cared about
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Speaker 1: and you had no inkling that this was a thing,
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Speaker 1: came to you with this. Also, this is, I promise,
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Speaker 1: not some weird exercise. I have not killed anyone. I know.
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Speaker 1: I'm sort of worry. No, don't worry. Sometimes I spring
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Speaker 1: questions on you that I know could lead to further questions.
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Speaker 1: I promised. That's not what this is about. I was
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Speaker 1: just curious. But also I feel like in a lot
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Speaker 1: of our culture there's this overarching idea that darker is better.
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Speaker 1: That that means it's more adult and more realistic, and
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Speaker 1: therefore it has more value. How do you feel about
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Speaker 1: that idea? So to take it seriously, it needs to
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Speaker 1: be dark our sinister. Yeah, well, I mean I feel
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Speaker 1: like you see it a lot in if you take
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Speaker 1: our big like comic book movies or even Harry Potter
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Speaker 1: where they're like, oh, the third one, so much darker,
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Speaker 1: or in Batman I was like, oh, Christopher Nolan came in,
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Speaker 1: it's so much darker, and therefore it's better because I
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Speaker 1: feel like the understanding is it's more realistic, and that
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Speaker 1: means that it's better. I think it's according to what
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Speaker 1: you're talking about. It's a comparison. To me, the darker,
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Speaker 1: the more likely the hero. So the contrast is name
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Speaker 1: did m hm. That to me is that level. So
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Speaker 1: you need someone who needs that darkness so that they
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Speaker 1: can come out of it. But they're also unattainable. So
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Speaker 1: without really sad origins, you couldn't be that. So if
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Speaker 1: you have a normal life, then then you can't be that.
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Speaker 1: But if you've had a horrible life, that gives you hope. Right,
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Speaker 1: I feel like there's space for both um because I
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Speaker 1: do think that movies Ala, where Disney has to kill
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Speaker 1: off everyone in order to like have an origin story
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Speaker 1: is stupid. I actually have a lot of thoughts on that,
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Speaker 1: and it's I find it really fascinating story structure, but
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Speaker 1: it's basically, how do you keep a child's attention for
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Speaker 1: an hour and thirty minutes? So it has to be
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Speaker 1: fast and a lot of drama, so different different episode.
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Speaker 1: But yeah, I feel like I don't think it necessarily
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Speaker 1: means better. I do get like more realistic, and I
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Speaker 1: think that is a form of entertainment that is really
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Speaker 1: good and I've enjoyed, But I don't think that means
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Speaker 1: necessarily like oh, this is more valuable because of that.
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Speaker 1: And I remember when I was a kid, I used
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Speaker 1: to read Batman and Superman comics and I preferred Superman,
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Speaker 1: and people be like, he is too happy, go lucky,
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Speaker 1: he is not realistic, and I'm like, what about these comics?
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Speaker 1: Get out of here. But people just were like Batman
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Speaker 1: is better because he's he's messed up and he's more
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Speaker 1: realistic and all this stuff. And I get that criticism,
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Speaker 1: but I don't think that equates to like this is
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Speaker 1: a more Oscar worthy movie or more like award winning movie.
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Speaker 1: And I've been thinking about that a lot when it
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Speaker 1: comes to what gets recognized and what gets awarded and
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Speaker 1: who was doing the recognizing, awarding and making of those things.
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Speaker 1: So that's just been something on my mind. And I
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Speaker 1: feel like we've seen that if you if we're we're
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Speaker 1: entering into our know fall horror segments and we're bringing
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Speaker 1: back some classics that we've done that fit into that category.
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Speaker 1: And I was kind of thinking about that with the
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Speaker 1: movie Joker, where I feel like everyone was, oh, this
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Speaker 1: is so realistic and so dark and therefore worthy, Okay, realistic.
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Speaker 1: I want to stay away from whoever that dude, right,
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Speaker 1: why I don't want that to be realistic. I want
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Speaker 1: this to be a satire, please, for the love of Jesus, right, Yeah,
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Speaker 1: which is perhaps a bigger conversation. I just feel like
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Speaker 1: a lot of times that does happen where these kind
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Speaker 1: of especially like dark masculine stories are more lauded and
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Speaker 1: they're seen as this is this is the best, and
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Speaker 1: we must put it on a pestle and reward it
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Speaker 1: all that to say, we are bringing back our classics
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Speaker 1: on women who were serial killers and our fascination with
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Speaker 1: them and what that says about people and this kind
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Speaker 1: of darkness that we're fascinated with. So we hope that
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Speaker 1: you enjoy. Hey, this is Annie and Samantha, and welcome
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Speaker 1: to stuff I never told you protection of I heart
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Speaker 1: ideas how stuff works. Today we bring you are Part
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Speaker 1: two Are Unexpected, Part two two of our Female serial
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Speaker 1: Killer episode. UM. I think this is the most research
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Speaker 1: I have done on an episode in a very long time, because,
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Speaker 1: as I've said in our part one, which you should
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Speaker 1: check out if you haven't heard it yet before you
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Speaker 1: listen to this one. UM, I knew like people were
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Speaker 1: fascinated with serial killers. I had no idea. I was
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Speaker 1: going to have to sort through so much information. There's
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Speaker 1: so much led and when it comes to something this
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Speaker 1: big and this awful, Yeah, like there's this whole overall
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Speaker 1: tone of oh my gosh, how did we not know
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Speaker 1: the type of thing? And could they be right there?
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Speaker 1: And also there's kind of that whole bit of like,
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Speaker 1: uh so this is what happens when things go wrong? Yeah,
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Speaker 1: and I'm curious about, um why I would love to
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Speaker 1: come back and and see if there's any research on
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Speaker 1: is it like morbid curiosity doesn't go back to that
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Speaker 1: thing we talked about when you're watching a slasher movie
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Speaker 1: or something where there's a part of you that thinks
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Speaker 1: I can learn from this and not that won't happen
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Speaker 1: to me. Or is it some kind of fascination with
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Speaker 1: death because we're all afraid of death? Ultimately, I guess,
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Speaker 1: of course, Or is it it's probably a combination of
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Speaker 1: a bunch of things. Um. But we're literally researching, like
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Speaker 1: up to recording. So that's how it became a part too.
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Speaker 1: And our our first part was about kind of older
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Speaker 1: sail killers historical lady yes, um, and this one is
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Speaker 1: more recent stuff and um, the trigger warning of course,
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Speaker 1: violent sexual assault, necrophilia, general grizzliness. And I would also
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Speaker 1: like to re state what we said in the last one.
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Speaker 1: Just remember, um, and we're trying to be respectable as well.
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Speaker 1: But like, these are real people. Some of them are
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Speaker 1: still alive, especially in this one. UM a lot of
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Speaker 1: these are more recent and ongoing in some cases. So
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Speaker 1: just remember these are real people. And yeah, and I
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Speaker 1: you and I had also talked about I would love
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Speaker 1: to dig into what happens to the families of uh,
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Speaker 1: not only the suspects and the actual killers, and what
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Speaker 1: what the aftermath is for those families, as well as
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Speaker 1: fascination of like what's the aftermath? How do you move on?
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Speaker 1: Because it is for me a lot of this Again,
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Speaker 1: as I said earlier in the first episode, first part
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Speaker 1: of this, UM, I'm really fascinated about how this becomes
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Speaker 1: or how this happens. And it's more of that kind
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Speaker 1: of underlying it that really fascinates me per se, like
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Speaker 1: how did we get to this point or how did
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Speaker 1: they get to this point? And um, there's a lot
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Speaker 1: of a lot of research out there about that, even
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Speaker 1: though sometimes I'm kind of shocked at how there's certain
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Speaker 1: things I assume we've figured out and we haven't. And
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Speaker 1: I guess I shouldn't be surprised that there's a lot
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Speaker 1: of stuff about humanity and serial killers as being one
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Speaker 1: of them that we haven't necessarily figured out. But UM,
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Speaker 1: there's a lot of ongoing researching. And for some of these, UM,
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Speaker 1: I understand now why there's entire podcasts for every episode
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Speaker 1: is devoted to one person, because for some of them,
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Speaker 1: there were UM like, I know one example we're gonna
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Speaker 1: talk about she had electroshock therapy, and there was some
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Speaker 1: speculation that things like that maybe play a role. UM.
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Speaker 1: So here we go, Here we go, UM, and we're
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Speaker 1: going to start out with Lavinia Fisher. UM. And she
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Speaker 1: often gets the dubious title of first female SEO killer
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Speaker 1: in the United States. You'd be surprised at how many
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Speaker 1: women get that title. UM. And we're gonna actually talk
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Speaker 1: about that a little bit more with one of our
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Speaker 1: probably most famous examples and a little bit UM. So,
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Speaker 1: she and her husband ran a hotel called the six
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Speaker 1: Mile Wayfarer House. Lavinia would ask gus to dinner, where
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Speaker 1: she would then question them to ascertain if they were rich.
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Speaker 1: Rumors abound about how the couple killed their victims. Again,
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Speaker 1: people really like to sensationalize these things, so there's all
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Speaker 1: kinds of details you can find. One is, um, maybe
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Speaker 1: she was poisoning tea. That seems like maybe that's true.
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Speaker 1: Lavinia crushing her their heads between her thighs, which I
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Speaker 1: think is not true. I'd think that's just a fantastic idea.
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Speaker 1: And I thought that I would do that, not that
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Speaker 1: I would do that. I'm just saying I got thick thighs,
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Speaker 1: so I've always thought, my I'm wonder could I do that? Well,
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Speaker 1: I hope we never have to find out. Um. It
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Speaker 1: wasn't until a traveler by the name of John People's
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Speaker 1: arrived at the hotel, only be told there were no vacancies.
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Speaker 1: But Lavinia was like, you're gonna have dinner with me, though,
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Speaker 1: and he accepted. After the meal was over, she suddenly
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Speaker 1: had a room available. Suspicious People decided against sleeping in
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Speaker 1: the bed, instead opting for a chair. To fall asleep.
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Speaker 1: In the chair, he was awoke in the middle of
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Speaker 1: the night when the bed dropped into a pit. I know,
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Speaker 1: I mean, you've got to respect the whole trap. I know.
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Speaker 1: Jeez uh. He jumped out of the window and immediately
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Speaker 1: alerted the authorities, and this led up to the fisher's capture.
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Speaker 1: They were both executed. The story goes that Lavinia asked
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Speaker 1: to wear her wedding dress the day of the execution
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Speaker 1: and went kicking and screaming. She jumped off the scaffold
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Speaker 1: her self, but not before saying, if you have a
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Speaker 1: message you want to send a hell, give it to me.
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Speaker 1: I'll carry it. Uh. She became somewhat of a ghost
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Speaker 1: story in Charleston after the six earthquake. People reported seeing
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Speaker 1: her her ghost wandering around. Of course it's Charleston too,
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Speaker 1: so I know people from Charleston. If there is any
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Speaker 1: local lore about this, we would love to hear it.
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Speaker 1: And that goes for like every ghost we're talking of
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Speaker 1: course ghost but serial killer. I'm gonna go with ghosts.
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Speaker 1: Is that because I was thinking of like ghost tours? Yeah,
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Speaker 1: ghost tours and also for me, like I said in
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Speaker 1: part one, I'm the ones I'm familiar with. Most of them.
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Speaker 1: It's because they have been a ghost in some kind
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Speaker 1: of supernatural X Files thing that I've watched, So to me,
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Speaker 1: they are ghost right, but they're actually real people there.
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Speaker 1: It's just you wonder if they If you believe in ghosts,
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Speaker 1: are they now ghosts? You know? So in one a
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Speaker 1: nurse out of Boston named Jane Topen martyred dozens of
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Speaker 1: people about manipulating hospital records. She was able to experiment
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Speaker 1: on patients with morphine and atropain. As they died, she
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Speaker 1: would hold their hands and fondled them. After her capture,
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Speaker 1: she admitted killing it aroused her, which is really rare
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Speaker 1: for a female killer. Just to put that out there.
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Speaker 1: Topin nickname Jolly Jane, was found insane and because of
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Speaker 1: that not guilty. She reportedly said it was hard desire
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Speaker 1: to have killed more people, helpless people's, that is, than
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Speaker 1: any other man or woman who ever lived. Yeah, and
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Speaker 1: there are two good examples of the thing we talked
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Speaker 1: about in our previous episode when it comes to the
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Speaker 1: differences primary differences between male and female zero killers. One
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Speaker 1: being he has female jailor killers normally don't have a
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Speaker 1: sexual motivation um, but she reportedly did she was one.
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Speaker 1: And then also the nickname that the media gave her,
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Speaker 1: Jolly Jane. That's another example of like male sero killers
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Speaker 1: generally get a nickname that is indicative of how violent
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Speaker 1: or brutal they are, whereas female szero killers get these
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Speaker 1: nicknames that are still gendered right um okay. In the
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Speaker 1: first half of the twentieth century in Oklahoma, a black
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Speaker 1: woman named Nanny Doss married and killed four men, along
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Speaker 1: with her mother in law, her sisters, two of her
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Speaker 1: sister's children, her grandson, and her own mother. She was
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Speaker 1: only called after her fifth husband's autopsy revealed arsenic as
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Speaker 1: the likely cause of death. She died in prison in
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Speaker 1: nine and history knows her by many names, the Giggling Granny,
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Speaker 1: black Widow, Lady blue Beard, and the Lonely Hearts Killer.
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Speaker 1: She grew up reading lonely Hearts columns and that's how
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Speaker 1: she found a majority of her husband's are you know
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Speaker 1: would be victims is by posting in the Lonely Hearts
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Speaker 1: are perusing the Lonely Hearts column. It's interesting to see
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Speaker 1: how many of the of the female seal killers are
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Speaker 1: called black widows. Yeah, and that's something we're planning on
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Speaker 1: digging into more in a future episode. Italian soapmaker Leonardo Chinchuli,
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Speaker 1: who was also known as the soap maker of Careggio,
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Speaker 1: killed three women um serving them at drugged wine and
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Speaker 1: then killing them with an act uh. And then she
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Speaker 1: used her flesh to make tea cakes, which she then
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Speaker 1: fed to her family and friends and some other people
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Speaker 1: as well. Um and this was after she had boiled
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Speaker 1: them and caustic soda. She was fascinated by things like
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Speaker 1: palm reading, tarot cards, and fortune telling, and a fortune
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Speaker 1: teller had informed her the only way she could save
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Speaker 1: her children from dying from an untimely death was through
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Speaker 1: human sacrifice, and so her this. These murders are placed
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Speaker 1: between one. After her son Giuseppe was drafted into the
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Speaker 1: Italian Army, she believed that human sacrifice would protect him
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Speaker 1: in battle. An entry from her diary reads she ended
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Speaker 1: up in the pot like the other two. Her flesh
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Speaker 1: was fat and white when it had melted. I added
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Speaker 1: a bottle of cologne, and after a long time on
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Speaker 1: the boil, I was able to make some most acceptable
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Speaker 1: creamy soap. I gave the bars to neighbors and acquaintances.
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Speaker 1: The cakes, too, were better. That woman was really sweet.
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Speaker 1: In nineteen forties Japan, Miyuki Kawa helped killed and estimated
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Speaker 1: one hundred and three infants. A midwife. She believed that
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Speaker 1: the children of the poor people didn't have a chance
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Speaker 1: and she was sparing them a lifetime of pain. So
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Speaker 1: just remember um, abortion wasn't legal during this time in Japan,
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Speaker 1: So she actually blamed the parents for deserting their children
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Speaker 1: and ended up only getting a four year sentence. Yeah,
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Speaker 1: she She's one of the cases where I think she
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Speaker 1: truly believed that she was helping, that she was helping
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Speaker 1: and the parents, Like, I don't think that was her
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Speaker 1: trying to turn to blame around in any way. She
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Speaker 1: truly did blame them for deserting the children. Then we
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Speaker 1: have Meira Henley, who along with her lover, raped and
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Speaker 1: murdered five young children in the UK from nineteen to
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Speaker 1: nineteen sixty five and what are called the Moore's Murders.
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Speaker 1: One of these murders they recorded. Um Mara put forth
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Speaker 1: a lot of testimony that she was coerced and threatened
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Speaker 1: into these acts. Um when her brother in law witnessed
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Speaker 1: the couple murdering a young child, he turned them in
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Speaker 1: and they were captured. She died in jail in two
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Speaker 1: thousand two and was sometimes known as the most evil
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Speaker 1: woman in Britain. And then there's another angel of death.
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Speaker 1: During the nineteen seventies and eighties named Janine Jones, she
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Speaker 1: was a nurse in Texas. They believed to have poisoned
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Speaker 1: upwards of sixty infants during her stint working at the hospital.
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Speaker 1: Her shift was called the death shift. Children were more
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Speaker 1: than ten times likelier to die during her shift than
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Speaker 1: any other time in the i C where she worked.
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Speaker 1: During her confessions, she reportedly said, I really did kill
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Speaker 1: those babies. Despite receiving a very long sentence, she was
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Speaker 1: set to be released in two thousand eight due to
17:34
Speaker 1: the mandatory release law in Texas, which has now been repelled,
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Speaker 1: but prosecutors brought further charges against her in two thousand seventeen.
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Speaker 1: The Serial Killer actually inspired the character of any Walks
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Speaker 1: from this Stephen King misery. Yeah, I which I have
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Speaker 1: not seen are read. I know there were one thing
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Speaker 1: that everyone probably right, which has been parodied and so
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Speaker 1: many things, but yeah, I actually saw. It's been a
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Speaker 1: while since of in it. But it's a slow burn,
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Speaker 1: as you would say, is it. It's Kathy Baite. Wonderful
18:08
Speaker 1: Cathy Baits Serial Killer episode because she played Madame Lalaurian
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Speaker 1: American horror story. Um, we do have some more on
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Speaker 1: our list for you listeners, But first we have a
18:17
Speaker 1: quick break for word from our sponsor, and we're back,
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Speaker 1: Thank you sponsor. And um, I was just about to
18:36
Speaker 1: tell Samantha. As we go through this list, at least
18:40
Speaker 1: one book has been written about every person on this list, um,
18:44
Speaker 1: and several have been written about this next entry, um
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Speaker 1: the Sunset Strip Killers. So um, yeah, I don't know
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Speaker 1: that we had too many that were like partners in
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Speaker 1: our part one like me female partners, so we got
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Speaker 1: a few more of those on here, which are also
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Speaker 1: pretty rare. Um. So after an abusive childhood and several
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Speaker 1: abuse of relationships, Carol Bundy no relation to Ted Bundy,
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Speaker 1: who I think did marry a woman named Carol who survived.
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Speaker 1: And I got very confused researching this. Right, that's a
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Speaker 1: lot of information for sure, oh my gosh, and a
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Speaker 1: lot of coincidences, a lot of confusing coincidences for research
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Speaker 1: purposes anyway, Um, Carol Bundy met and began our relationship
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Speaker 1: with Doug Clark. Clark soon shared his sexual fantasies with Bundy,
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Speaker 1: permitted him to bring prostitutes into their apartment for threesomes.
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Speaker 1: But then Clark admitted he had a disturbing attraction to
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Speaker 1: an eleven year old neighbor. Bundy was able to coerce
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Speaker 1: the girl into coming to the apartment for pornographic photo shoot,
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Speaker 1: and this horrifying situation escalated when Clark confided in Bundy
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Speaker 1: that he wanted to kill a woman during sex. After
19:57
Speaker 1: buying two pistols. The pair can It did their first
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Speaker 1: murder in nineteen eighty and Los Angeles um They're victims
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Speaker 1: were usually young sex workers are runaways, and Clark raped
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Speaker 1: their dead bodies before they got rid of them. In
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Speaker 1: one instance, Clark decapitated one of their victims. Bundy put
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Speaker 1: makeup on the severed head, and Clark used it for
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Speaker 1: oral sex and kept it in their freezer for a
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Speaker 1: few days before they disposed of it. And we were
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Speaker 1: just talking about the scene from High Tension, right I was,
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Speaker 1: and I couldn't. I couldn't get past that scene almost
20:27
Speaker 1: something that was like ten MOMENTUSM like, I just know
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Speaker 1: everything about this is so disturbing. I didn't know because
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Speaker 1: I have seen High Tension, but I didn't know about this.
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Speaker 1: So I was wondering if it was kind of like
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Speaker 1: you start seeing a lot of influences from real life situations.
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Speaker 1: For sure in the whole genre of TV and entertainment,
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Speaker 1: which is really disturbing. I guess it really is to starbing. Yeah, yeah,
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Speaker 1: this is disturbing. Um okay. And then Bundy confessed what
20:54
Speaker 1: was going on to an ex lover of hers before
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Speaker 1: she panicked after he rightfully said, you've got to go
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Speaker 1: to the police. Um. And she persuaded him to accompany
21:05
Speaker 1: her to her van so that they could have sex,
21:08
Speaker 1: but she instead shot and decapitated him. But she was
21:12
Speaker 1: kind of sloppy, left a lot of clues around, and
21:14
Speaker 1: eventually she confessed to her coworkers and then to the police.
21:18
Speaker 1: She said, quote, a situation that started out as a
21:21
Speaker 1: fantasy just got badly out of control. The two were
21:24
Speaker 1: caught and imprisoned. Clark was sentenced to death. Bundy died
21:28
Speaker 1: in prison in two thousand and three. Judy boyo Ano
21:32
Speaker 1: was executed in nine for the murder of her first husband,
21:35
Speaker 1: her past partner, and her son after a car explosion.
21:37
Speaker 1: It seriously injured her soon to be second husband. Judy
21:41
Speaker 1: had been spreading lies that her fiance was terminally ill,
21:43
Speaker 1: even though it's totally healthy. Health officials confiscated the pills.
21:47
Speaker 1: Judy had been giving him and discovered there full of
21:49
Speaker 1: arsenic and from malde hyde. When the bodies of our
21:51
Speaker 1: previous husband and lover were exhumed, arsenic poison was found
21:54
Speaker 1: to be the cause of death. As for her son
21:56
Speaker 1: and the events leading up to his death, he had
21:58
Speaker 1: mysteriously become a paraple lee jake and displayed other signs
22:01
Speaker 1: of arsenic poison. On the day of his death, Judy
22:04
Speaker 1: actually took him out on a canoe which capsized and
22:07
Speaker 1: his brace dragged him down and he drowned at the
22:09
Speaker 1: age of nineteen. Before she was caught, she racked it
22:12
Speaker 1: and estimated two hundred forty thousand dollars on life insurance policies.
22:16
Speaker 1: The media dubbed her again the black Widow. She was
22:20
Speaker 1: the first woman to be executed in Florida in over
22:22
Speaker 1: one fifty years. Again, there's that black widow. In England,
22:28
Speaker 1: Rosemary West and her husband Fred were arrested for sexually torturing,
22:32
Speaker 1: murdering and dismembering at least twelve teenage girls, including their
22:36
Speaker 1: own daughter who was Rosemary's stepdaughter and um stepdaughter's mother,
22:41
Speaker 1: and one of Rosemary's biological daughters named Heather. When Heather
22:44
Speaker 1: went missing. Fred would joke with his children that if
22:47
Speaker 1: they didn't behave they would end up under the patio
22:50
Speaker 1: like Heather Um. And that's actually how they got caught. Um.
22:56
Speaker 1: Emery west On, the surviving stepdaughter of Rosemary, Um said,
23:00
Speaker 1: people say I'm lucky to have survived, but I wish
23:02
Speaker 1: I had died. I can still taste the fear, still
23:05
Speaker 1: feel the pain. It's like going back to being a
23:07
Speaker 1: child again. Um. The media dubbed Rosemary as the Monster
23:10
Speaker 1: of Cromwell and the West Home as the house of Horrors.
23:15
Speaker 1: The seller was where they tortured, killed, and buried their victims.
23:18
Speaker 1: Once the seller became too crowded, bodies were buried under
23:21
Speaker 1: the back patio. One of the bodies was found wrapped
23:24
Speaker 1: in duct tape with a straw poking out from the nostril.
23:28
Speaker 1: Many had been decapitated or dismembered. One had been scalped.
23:32
Speaker 1: An inquiry revealed thirty one occasions that the west children
23:37
Speaker 1: had been hospitalized for injuries our illnesses, including an STD.
23:41
Speaker 1: This is one of the ones where I read it
23:43
Speaker 1: and I was so surprised that they did not get
23:46
Speaker 1: caught earlier. They were clearly abusing their children um child
23:50
Speaker 1: Services was called on them several times. Um Fred killed
23:55
Speaker 1: himself in prison, writing on the wall. Freddie, the mass
23:57
Speaker 1: murderer from Gloucester. Rosemary is serving life sentence where she
24:00
Speaker 1: apparently gets fan male and marriage proposals. That is something
24:05
Speaker 1: I want to come back to you because that is
24:08
Speaker 1: hugely disturbing to me. I didn't actually know that happened
24:10
Speaker 1: to female serial killers. I knew that happened a lot
24:13
Speaker 1: with male serial killers and their whole fan base, but
24:16
Speaker 1: I didn't realize this actually happened with a female. That's
24:18
Speaker 1: an interesting flip. Yeah, an interesting and disturbing one. Yes.
24:24
Speaker 1: One of her daughters claimed that there may be up
24:26
Speaker 1: to thirty more victims that authorities don't know about. Wow. So.
24:31
Speaker 1: And there's also a Canadian woman, Carla Humulka, who started
24:35
Speaker 1: her killing career with an attempt to impress her boyfriend
24:37
Speaker 1: by allowing him to rape her fifteen year old sister,
24:40
Speaker 1: who died after choking on her own vomit that they
24:43
Speaker 1: had actually drugged her. Apparently, Paul, her husband, was annoyed
24:46
Speaker 1: Karla wasn't a virgin when they met, and demanded she
24:48
Speaker 1: bring him a virgin. Carla offered up her own sister.
24:52
Speaker 1: They videotaped themselves torturing and raping their victims before they
24:55
Speaker 1: killed them. The video was too disturbing to play in
24:58
Speaker 1: the court, but the audio was allowed. They are known
25:01
Speaker 1: as the Ken and Barbie Killers. When Carla realized that
25:03
Speaker 1: their rain of terror was coming to an end, she
25:05
Speaker 1: was able to fairly successfully paint herself as the victim
25:08
Speaker 1: in this whole thing to officials. She turned on Paul,
25:10
Speaker 1: who physically abused her and who was also known as
25:13
Speaker 1: the Scarborough Rapists and had read or attempted to rape
25:16
Speaker 1: at least nineteen women. She got a pleadail from the
25:19
Speaker 1: prosecutors which was twelve years for cooperation which later became
25:23
Speaker 1: known as the Deal with the Devil and when the
25:25
Speaker 1: tapes clearly indicated Karl it was a willing accomplish when
25:29
Speaker 1: they played the tape in court and from a letter
25:31
Speaker 1: she wrote to herself, be a perfect girlfriend for Paul.
25:34
Speaker 1: Remember you're stupid, Remember you're ugly, Remember you're fat. Save
25:37
Speaker 1: yourself killed them all. She was released in two thousand
25:41
Speaker 1: five after only twelve years in prison, and recently cost
25:43
Speaker 1: a huge commotion when she volunteered with the elementary school
25:47
Speaker 1: Yeah yeah, yep. Um, then we have what I would
25:53
Speaker 1: argue is probably the one of the biggest ones on
25:56
Speaker 1: this list are the most well known, and I think
25:58
Speaker 1: a lot of these just the precursor is a lot
26:00
Speaker 1: of either movies or TV series or something that is
26:03
Speaker 1: based on all of these things. And this is of
26:05
Speaker 1: course the Oscar winner of the mall. And also merchandise. Yes,
26:08
Speaker 1: there's merchandise, so yes, we were talking about. Eileen ware
26:13
Speaker 1: Nose from across Duke by the name Violin ware Nose,
26:18
Speaker 1: also known that as a demsel of death, killed seven
26:21
Speaker 1: a male clients along highways in north and central Florida.
26:24
Speaker 1: Police were able to trace items belonging to of the
26:27
Speaker 1: victims to a pawn shop near Daytona Beach. That's a
26:29
Speaker 1: very big nutshell of what happened, but essentially um and connected.
26:33
Speaker 1: The aliases used upon the items to wear nose. According
26:36
Speaker 1: to Wareness, she killed and self defense. Acclaimed that she
26:39
Speaker 1: later recanted um and her first victim was jailed for
26:42
Speaker 1: ten years for sexual assault. She made a lot of
26:45
Speaker 1: headlines because she broke the mold of most female serial killers,
26:49
Speaker 1: using a gun instead of something like poison killing outside
26:52
Speaker 1: her home, killing strangers Um. Some stories reported that she
26:57
Speaker 1: killed like a man UM, and there was in an
27:00
Speaker 1: opera about America's first female serial killer, UM, as she
27:05
Speaker 1: sometimes was mistakenly called UM. She was perhaps the first
27:09
Speaker 1: to fit the FBI's profile of a male I mean
27:12
Speaker 1: a serial killer, which was almost always you know, male
27:15
Speaker 1: SI killer, but she was certainly not America's first female
27:20
Speaker 1: serial killer. Awareness told Florida's Supreme Court, I'm one who
27:25
Speaker 1: seriously hates human life and would kill again. She was
27:28
Speaker 1: adopted by a born again Christian after her arrest, UM
27:32
Speaker 1: and she was executed in two thousand two. The award
27:35
Speaker 1: winning movie Monster with Charlie's Theiron was about her, right,
27:38
Speaker 1: And then there's actually a documentary for her on Netflix,
27:41
Speaker 1: and it's it's fascinating to me, not necessarily because you know,
27:47
Speaker 1: we want to watch murderers essentially, our serial killers, but
27:50
Speaker 1: just her behavior alone, it was just very indicative of
27:54
Speaker 1: her mindset. And it was kind of like, wow, Yeah,
27:57
Speaker 1: when I was reading um, you know, dry court documents,
28:02
Speaker 1: just what happened today in court and the things she
28:05
Speaker 1: said very very shocking and ambracive and crass. I have
28:16
Speaker 1: not seen the movie UM. I remember all of the
28:21
Speaker 1: talk about how Charlie's they're on like totally changed her.
28:25
Speaker 1: Look right, Um, we do have some more even more
28:30
Speaker 1: females here, all killers for you. But first we have
28:32
Speaker 1: one more quick break for words for our sponsor and
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28:51
Speaker 1: come back with Dorothea Puinte or Death House Landlady, which
28:55
Speaker 1: in the eighties she killed elderly and mentally disabled tenants
28:58
Speaker 1: at her California boarding house in order to cash in
29:01
Speaker 1: on their Social Security checks. This was after being arrested
29:04
Speaker 1: for drug and an elderly man and stealing his pension.
29:06
Speaker 1: She read the male of her tenants and kept most
29:08
Speaker 1: of the money for quote unquote rent and dolling out
29:11
Speaker 1: the rest of the sort of a stipend. Anyone who
29:14
Speaker 1: complained was killed and buried in her backyard, and it
29:17
Speaker 1: wasn't until it developmentally disabled and mentally ill man was
29:20
Speaker 1: reported missing from his caseworker that police searched the building
29:23
Speaker 1: and found the bodies in the backyard. The house was called,
29:26
Speaker 1: among other things, the Graveyard on f Street. Georthea managed
29:29
Speaker 1: to escape to l A before someone recognized her and
29:32
Speaker 1: turned her in. Four days later, at the time, the
29:35
Speaker 1: authorities didn't label her a serial killer, because in their
29:38
Speaker 1: minds that wasn't a thing women did. But for her capture,
29:41
Speaker 1: she was highly regarded for her charity work and her
29:43
Speaker 1: willingness to take in the homeless and substance abusers. She
29:47
Speaker 1: even had a picture of her dancing with one of
29:48
Speaker 1: the governors of California, which I'm sure he adored. She
29:52
Speaker 1: died in prison in two thousand eleven, and then prosecutors
29:55
Speaker 1: called her one of the most cold and calculating female
29:57
Speaker 1: killers in the country they had ever seen. Yeah, and
30:02
Speaker 1: we were talking about this before we started, because I
30:04
Speaker 1: was surprised at how much there was about her, but
30:07
Speaker 1: it must be. So they found the one body in
30:11
Speaker 1: her backyard, and she was kind of like, I don't know,
30:15
Speaker 1: maybe because it used to be kind of common practice
30:18
Speaker 1: to bury people in your backyard, um, and she asked
30:21
Speaker 1: if she could go get coffee or something, and they're like,
30:24
Speaker 1: and then they found like so many more bodies and
30:27
Speaker 1: they had just let her go, which is fascinating again
30:30
Speaker 1: and also very very telling about how they didn't a
30:33
Speaker 1: woman wouldn't do this. They said, like the little lady,
30:35
Speaker 1: we didn't. We didn't think about it, and she I
30:39
Speaker 1: think because she got away and there was like four
30:41
Speaker 1: or five days of just panic. Right. Um. I think
30:46
Speaker 1: that's why one of the reasons why there's so much
30:47
Speaker 1: written about her, because there is and there's a lot
30:50
Speaker 1: of conspiracy theories. I don't know if their conspiracy theories,
30:52
Speaker 1: but people think that she has she had to have
30:55
Speaker 1: had an accomplice because she was a little lady. So
30:58
Speaker 1: how was she dragging these bodies and then right bearing them? Um?
31:03
Speaker 1: And there's even uh, somebody that a lot of people
31:07
Speaker 1: think that it is who used to work around there
31:09
Speaker 1: and then disappeared. Um. She also asked her handyman for
31:12
Speaker 1: a box that was like a coffin she gave and
31:16
Speaker 1: she was like, it's for books and things, you know,
31:18
Speaker 1: I want to put all my cookbooks in this very long,
31:20
Speaker 1: weird little cass had him drive it to like down
31:26
Speaker 1: the highway, and she was like, let's just throw it
31:28
Speaker 1: in the ocean, you know whatever, And he never did
31:31
Speaker 1: a thing. Yeah, well I don't. I just found that
31:34
Speaker 1: that was so that there's a lot because of the
31:37
Speaker 1: assumption yea of women in general or perceived there's no
31:42
Speaker 1: way of blah blah blah, Right, I also wanted to
31:45
Speaker 1: add in here um. She never admitted to guilt um.
31:51
Speaker 1: And she also released a cookbook in two thousand five
31:55
Speaker 1: called Cooking with a Serial Killer. I've read some of
31:59
Speaker 1: the used on Amazon. They said things like simple but
32:03
Speaker 1: pretty good. She goes well known for tamales um. And
32:08
Speaker 1: there's a documentary about the house and its new owners
32:10
Speaker 1: called The House Is Innocent, and it focuses on how
32:13
Speaker 1: the new owners have tried to turn something so macabre
32:17
Speaker 1: into a positive thing. So they donate, like I think
32:20
Speaker 1: you can do tours there, and they donate to funds
32:23
Speaker 1: for the homeless. Right again, another place for our list. Yeah,
32:27
Speaker 1: oh gosh, I keep agreeing and then realizing I need
32:31
Speaker 1: to pause and think. Britain's Angel of Death Beverly Allett
32:36
Speaker 1: was charged of using high doses of insulin or potassium,
32:39
Speaker 1: or even just an air bubble into the bloodstream to
32:42
Speaker 1: kill four children and attempted to kill eleven more in
32:46
Speaker 1: the span of two months. One of her victims had
32:49
Speaker 1: an entire adult dosage of insulin in his system, resulting
32:53
Speaker 1: in one of the highest levels ever found in a human.
32:56
Speaker 1: She was diagnosed with Munchausen syndrome, but ruled mentally fit
33:00
Speaker 1: enough to stand trial. She is serving thirteen sentences with
33:04
Speaker 1: a minimum of thirty years at a security like a
33:07
Speaker 1: secure hospital that it is a source of a lot
33:10
Speaker 1: of controversy. Controversy. Um. The maternity wards she worked in
33:15
Speaker 1: shut down because nobody wanted to take their children there. Um.
33:19
Speaker 1: Last year, a go fund Me page just set up
33:21
Speaker 1: for her while she was battling sepsis, and it also
33:24
Speaker 1: caused quite a big controversy and go fund me removed it. Um.
33:28
Speaker 1: It's interesting to see what happens in this dingy and
33:31
Speaker 1: age when someone like that is being seen as idolized
33:36
Speaker 1: or needing help or that or whatever I guess you
33:38
Speaker 1: would say, and then doing that. So that's kind of
33:41
Speaker 1: an almost a different form of trying to propose to
33:44
Speaker 1: someone like, oh she said it would help her, Nobody's
33:46
Speaker 1: like what. Um. Yeah. And I was recently it might
33:54
Speaker 1: be this very week that this episode comes out. I
33:56
Speaker 1: was on over on Movie Crush with Chuck Um that podcast,
33:59
Speaker 1: and we were talking about Slashers and I everyone. It
34:04
Speaker 1: was kind of there were four of us, and I
34:08
Speaker 1: think I'm a bit younger. I'm like from a different
34:10
Speaker 1: generation than everyone else on the panel, and so they
34:13
Speaker 1: had a different experience than I did because I kind
34:15
Speaker 1: of entered with Scream and newer ones and so going
34:18
Speaker 1: back and watching the older ones are sometimes difficult for
34:22
Speaker 1: me because our technology has changed so much. Yeah, and
34:27
Speaker 1: in some ways that can be scarier, but sometimes you're like, well, right,
34:33
Speaker 1: But I was thinking about Scream Too and how the
34:36
Speaker 1: movies made about her life in that movie, which is
34:39
Speaker 1: so meta, but she gets like calls on the day
34:43
Speaker 1: the movie comes out where they're pretending to be the
34:45
Speaker 1: serial killer, like, um, and that's just sort of a
34:49
Speaker 1: weird aspect to this whole thing of people who it's
34:54
Speaker 1: like entertainment for them, and that the whole thing, the
34:57
Speaker 1: whole point of Scream Too is at the end one
34:59
Speaker 1: of uh spoiler alert, one of the killers is like,
35:02
Speaker 1: it's all entertainment. Like right, I'm gonna blame the movies. Um. Yeah.
35:09
Speaker 1: So it is interesting to see how technology now, I
35:11
Speaker 1: mean interesting and more disturbing. Even interesting and disturbing is
35:16
Speaker 1: that we've described almost everything how technology is playing serial
35:20
Speaker 1: killers now and killer because they have they can meet online.
35:24
Speaker 1: Well also because it also changed things because of the technology,
35:28
Speaker 1: there are is harder to get away with it, and
35:31
Speaker 1: there's more um evidence to be found that it wouldn't
35:33
Speaker 1: have been found a long time ago. So it's kind
35:35
Speaker 1: of it's not necessarily balancing it out, but it's a
35:38
Speaker 1: kind of a whole switch up to what is happening
35:41
Speaker 1: in this day and age, which is a good thing, yeah,
35:44
Speaker 1: but also correctly, we also have the social media um
35:47
Speaker 1: where it can be stages and setups, much like the
35:50
Speaker 1: one who was using her lonely heart stuff, you know,
35:54
Speaker 1: and trying to get hurt the dons, but this is
35:56
Speaker 1: a lot more easy access and a lot more for
35:59
Speaker 1: those who maybe actually really good with technology ways of
36:02
Speaker 1: talking and causing different types of fear factor level what's
36:07
Speaker 1: going on in the world today right well, and that's
36:10
Speaker 1: why for a lot of the ones we talked about
36:12
Speaker 1: in our part one, the estimates were like they might
36:15
Speaker 1: have killed sixty or seven because yeah, it was easier
36:20
Speaker 1: to get away with it for longer back then. But um,
36:23
Speaker 1: if if you've noticed a lot of people we've talked
36:25
Speaker 1: about have been in fields where they were caregivers um.
36:29
Speaker 1: And that is one way that women are, even in
36:33
Speaker 1: our modern times, able to get away with being with
36:36
Speaker 1: killing people for longer because one, you're a woman and
36:40
Speaker 1: they don't expect you to do anything horrendous. That that
36:43
Speaker 1: awful and too if you're in a caregiving field, it
36:47
Speaker 1: gives you a whole another layer. But this next one
36:51
Speaker 1: is a good example of like how people feel like
36:56
Speaker 1: there's no way because you're kind of if you're in
36:59
Speaker 1: a caregiving field, is in a hospital. There's people do
37:02
Speaker 1: die at hospitals, so you can use that. Some serial
37:08
Speaker 1: killers on here have used that to the advantage, including
37:11
Speaker 1: Kristen Gilbert, because she murdered four patients at a Massachusetts
37:16
Speaker 1: veteran affairs medical center with epinephrin and attempted homicide on
37:21
Speaker 1: three others. She was caught in two thousand one. Um
37:25
Speaker 1: she had been married with kids, but then she had
37:28
Speaker 1: an affair with an hospital security guard and her marriage
37:31
Speaker 1: hassolved in her husband left with the children, but not
37:33
Speaker 1: before she most likely attempted to murder him via injection
37:39
Speaker 1: because I can't remember why, but he was at the
37:42
Speaker 1: hospital and she was like, I'll just give you this
37:44
Speaker 1: and you'll feel better, and he said it like pain
37:46
Speaker 1: and tingling, and he immediately felt a great sense of
37:50
Speaker 1: unease um being around her um and she was jokingly
37:55
Speaker 1: called the Angel of Death even before she was caught
37:59
Speaker 1: because of how many people died on her shift. Right Um.
38:03
Speaker 1: Once it came out that she was murdering people, experts
38:07
Speaker 1: estimate that she was on duty for half of the
38:10
Speaker 1: fifty deaths that occurred during her tenure at the hospital,
38:13
Speaker 1: so half of the time she was there. UM. One
38:15
Speaker 1: war veteran refused injection while she worked there because quote,
38:19
Speaker 1: people are dying around here for no reason. The patients
38:22
Speaker 1: are talking about it, the staff is talking about it.
38:24
Speaker 1: The staff is talking to the patients about it. Gilbert
38:28
Speaker 1: confessed to her boyfriend, the security guard we mentioned earlier,
38:31
Speaker 1: that she quote did it, killed all those guys by injection? UM,
38:36
Speaker 1: and he told the authorities. In a panic, she called
38:40
Speaker 1: in a bomb threat at the hospital in response, and
38:43
Speaker 1: the hospital was evacuated. The calls were traced to her,
38:45
Speaker 1: and she was sentenced to fifteen months in prison for
38:47
Speaker 1: faking a bomb threat. Meanwhile, Um, everybody, the authorities were
38:52
Speaker 1: investigating all these deaths. They were getting more and more
38:56
Speaker 1: details about the murderers. It became clear that she had
38:59
Speaker 1: committed and her The murder trials soon began. Prosecutors argued
39:04
Speaker 1: her motive was to try to impress her boyfriend UM,
39:07
Speaker 1: who they would call in in emergency situations like a
39:11
Speaker 1: code or something. UM. She received four life sentences in
39:15
Speaker 1: the early two thousand's, professional Mexican wrestler Wanna Barrazza earned
39:19
Speaker 1: the nickname the Little old Lady Killer or Mata Vitas
39:24
Speaker 1: for her murder for at least at eleven women and
39:26
Speaker 1: probably more. Originally, the investigators had thought the murders were
39:30
Speaker 1: being committed by man addressed as a woman, but she
39:32
Speaker 1: was actually caught after someone witnessed her leaving a victim's home.
39:36
Speaker 1: Reports indicated that Braza's mother actually sold her to a
39:39
Speaker 1: man around the age of twelve UM for a very
39:42
Speaker 1: little amount of money and beer, and that her resentment
39:46
Speaker 1: for her mother was her actual motive for killing these women.
39:49
Speaker 1: And according to the reports, want to admitted to only
39:51
Speaker 1: one of the murders, and she says she did it
39:54
Speaker 1: because she was angry, but in the reports it was
39:57
Speaker 1: later said that the victims had been beaten and strangled
39:59
Speaker 1: and robbed. Um. She was sentenced to seven nine years
40:02
Speaker 1: in Mexican prison. That's I mean the fact that the
40:06
Speaker 1: police thought that the murders were being committed by a
40:09
Speaker 1: man just as a woman is pretty telling. That's how right.
40:12
Speaker 1: They never believed it until they had that witness. Wow. Um,
40:18
Speaker 1: well that brings us to the two part look on
40:21
Speaker 1: female zero killers. Yeah. I need to go, like have
40:25
Speaker 1: a drink and sit in the sun not think about
40:28
Speaker 1: this for a minute, right. I feel like, I just
40:32
Speaker 1: hope we're not missing someone that's really recent. But I did,
40:34
Speaker 1: nothing came up. Um. I think there's because you know,
40:38
Speaker 1: there's also the variation of the fact that women snap
40:41
Speaker 1: are emotional and jealous and so therefore that's a lot
40:44
Speaker 1: of the cause of killing. But they're not serial killers necessarily. Um,
40:49
Speaker 1: So it's kind of a little different on that level. Also,
40:52
Speaker 1: you know, just looking back, especially of the recent histories,
40:55
Speaker 1: you start understanding if they just find past histories of
40:59
Speaker 1: these women, it all had it seemingly all had something
41:03
Speaker 1: to do with, um, trying to save someone or trying
41:06
Speaker 1: to be seen as someone that was like saightly and
41:08
Speaker 1: saving people, trying to protect someone, trying to get someone
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Speaker 1: to like them, or try to get money, or because
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Speaker 1: of the like horrendous past trauma of whatever happened. Um.
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Speaker 1: And it's really fascinating because this could all be set
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Speaker 1: for any of the serial killers of the past trauma.
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Speaker 1: But again you see some of the talking about sexual
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Speaker 1: motives that are pretty much lacking in a majority of
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Speaker 1: these women. Is a lot of like whether it's perceived
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Speaker 1: protection or perceived of how they were being seen, which
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Speaker 1: is an interesting tale, I think. Yeah, and um, we
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Speaker 1: didn't really go into the past of these women, right,
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Speaker 1: which was often very traumatic. Um. And as we said,
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Speaker 1: I completely understand now as someone who does not consume
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Speaker 1: true crime, why like every person on this list could
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Speaker 1: be in the whole episode And if there's anyone that
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Speaker 1: you really stood out to you that you wanted to
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Speaker 1: know more about, let us know. Um, because I was
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Speaker 1: reading there's so much out there and just the the
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Speaker 1: past that a lot of these women had was equally disturbing. Um.
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Speaker 1: And I was thinking, because what I have I do
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Speaker 1: know about slashers and yeah, I can only think of
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Speaker 1: um off the top of my head too, females zerio
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Speaker 1: killers that came to my mind, which we mentioned in
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Speaker 1: our Female Monsters episode, right. And I was going to say,
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Speaker 1: for a lot you and I talked about again about
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Speaker 1: the mothers and like, who are the ghosts or those
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Speaker 1: who railed um anyone or became a ghost or afterwards
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Speaker 1: had a lot of that same kind of idea behind
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Speaker 1: that as well that we just talked about with all
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Speaker 1: of the wather's to protect someonee whether it's just know
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Speaker 1: someone something you know, it's an interesting yeah. And the
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Speaker 1: two fictional female serial killers I am thinking of, they
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Speaker 1: both we're killing in revenge for their son um. So
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Speaker 1: we hope that that you've learned about histories, that's fascinating
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Speaker 1: history of female serial killers. And if we left anyone
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Speaker 1: out or if there is someone you want us to
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Speaker 1: expound on, if you live in a place where there
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Speaker 1: are legends about this person, or you have some sort
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Speaker 1: of I hope not, but if you have some sort
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