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Cheating and Real Housewives with Carlos King · Juicy Scoop with Heather McDonald

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  Speaker 1: The car is beautiful. Where did you end up going
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  Speaker 1: for it? This exclusive place that Dad has connections with.
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  Speaker 1: They have more cars for more dealerships than like anywhere else.
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  Speaker 1: You have to put me in touch. What's it called?
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  Speaker 1: It's Dunaidial.
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  Speaker 2: Where?
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  Speaker 1: Dunaidial. There's an accent on the E. Do you mean... Yes,
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  Speaker 1: I got it on Dundale Cars.
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  Speaker 2: Lift?
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  Speaker 3: Please.
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  Speaker 1: Are you going past Kimmage? Oh, Kimmage. No. Dundale Cars.
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  Speaker 4: You couldn't possibly go anywhere else.
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  Speaker 1: Heather MacDonald has got the Juicy Scoop.
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  Speaker 3: When you're on the road, when you're on the go,
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  Speaker 1: She talks Hollywood tales for real life, Mr. Sacred Serial
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  Speaker 1: Heather MacDonald.
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  Speaker 3: Juicy Scoop.
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  Speaker 1: Hello and welcome to Juicy Scoop, return favorite. I have
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  Speaker 1: the man, the legend, the shoe collector. You know Carlos
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  Speaker 1: King from his awesome podcast. He is a top-notch reality
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  Speaker 1: show producer. He's a TV host. He does reunions. He
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  Speaker 1: does create shows. He has the Juicy Scoop wearing a
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  Speaker 1: Dior sweater, which, by the way, that is very cute.
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  Speaker 3: Thank you.
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  Speaker 1: It's subtle and it's classy. It's just enough. For those
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  Speaker 1: that aren't watching, it's a cream v-neck vest with Dior
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  Speaker 1: in multiple colors just written down one side. When did
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  Speaker 1: you get that?
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  Speaker 3: I got this a few months ago at the store
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  Speaker 3: in Los Angeles, actually.
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  Speaker 1: Oh, good choice.
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  Speaker 3: Yeah, yeah. It's very subtle, like you said, like my personality.
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  Speaker 1: Right. Well, some new scoop just hit today via People.
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  Speaker 3: Okay, what's the tea, girl?
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  Speaker 1: It is about Real Housewives of Atlanta. They are saying
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  Speaker 1: that NeNe Leakes and Portia are returning to the Real
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  Speaker 1: Housewives of Atlanta for season 16. Can you say? People
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  Speaker 1: confirmed it. Can you confirm it?
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  Speaker 3: Fake news is fake. So, I mean, look, are we
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  Speaker 3: shocked that a Bravo blog... created this fake news on
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  Speaker 3: a Sunday. First of all, on a Sunday, the only
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  Speaker 3: person who's breaking news is Jesus Christ. Okay? Keep On
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  Speaker 3: Magazine is not breaking news about Housewives on a Sunday.
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  Speaker 1: Oh.
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  Speaker 3: It's not happening. So that's when I knew something was fishy.
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  Speaker 3: Then I saw the actual time that this alleged article
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  Speaker 3: was written. And it was like 15 minutes before it
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  Speaker 3: was posted. It's all fake. I know these girls personally.
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  Speaker 3: NeNe Leakes is not coming back to the Real Housewives
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  Speaker 3: of Atlanta. Now, will Portia come back? I think so.
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  Speaker 2: Sure.
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  Speaker 3: I could see that being truthful. But NeNe Leakes, no way.
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  Speaker 3: It's not happening. Zero zilch nada. It's fake news.
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  Speaker 1: What about Kim Zolciak?
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  Speaker 3: As much as I want her to come back, she's
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  Speaker 3: not being engaged at all.
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  Speaker 1: You mean they're not talking to her?
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  Speaker 3: They're not talking to her. Which I think is a
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  Speaker 3: bad mistake. I want to see what's going on with
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  Speaker 3: her and Croy. I want to see the son talk
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  Speaker 3: to the cops and say, you know, this is what's
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  Speaker 3: happening in my home. I need to see all of
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  Speaker 3: this because think about it, Heather. The last time we
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  Speaker 3: saw Kim Zosiac-Bearman, she was at the reunion show. Croy
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  Speaker 3: was in the background watching her every move.
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  Speaker 1: Having her back.
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  Speaker 3: Having her back, her front, her vagina, her breasts, her areola.
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  Speaker 3: He had everything, sister. So to know that it went
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  Speaker 3: from that codependent relationship to now the cops are depending
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  Speaker 3: on their relationship to really make sure they have these
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  Speaker 3: neighborhood watch moments, it's insane to me. And I really
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  Speaker 3: want to see what's going on.
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  Speaker 1: It is shocking, but then it's not. Because it's like
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  Speaker 1: when something is too good to be true, it oftentimes isn't.
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  Speaker 1: And it was, you know, they were so... so had
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  Speaker 1: each other's backs. We never saw them argue on the show.
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  Speaker 1: And if they argued, it was like cute arguing, like,
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  Speaker 1: you know, her spending, ha ha, or whatever, you know, and,
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  Speaker 1: or too much sex or whatever, you know, not real arguments.
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  Speaker 1: Even when like something bad happened, like when the child
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  Speaker 1: was hit by the dog, they were like on the
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  Speaker 1: same page about it. And I was like, wow, they
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  Speaker 1: really have. And then when I met them, she came
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  Speaker 1: and did my show and he came and they, I
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  Speaker 1: thought he was so nice. Very. Because she, he would
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  Speaker 1: have to rent a car and drive because she can't
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  Speaker 1: have a driver and like be in the back seat.
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  Speaker 2: Yes.
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  Speaker 1: And then, and then she can't go on the elevator.
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  Speaker 1: So I had a, a thing set up at a
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  Speaker 1: hotel so that she could meet in LA and make
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  Speaker 1: her flight. And then she's like, Oh honey, you know,
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  Speaker 1: ninth floor. So then luckily the hotel accommodated me and they,
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  Speaker 1: And I was like, so there were she had all
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  Speaker 1: these weird things that he never cared about, including the gambling.
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  Speaker 1: And I really just think the opportunities ran out, the
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  Speaker 1: money ran out. And once the money ran out, like
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  Speaker 1: he started to get pissed. And then she realized, well,
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  Speaker 1: what you're not bringing any in any. They started to
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  Speaker 1: say all the nasty stuff that they never said those
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  Speaker 1: times that he was driving her around. Or having her
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  Speaker 1: go on his back and piggyback her up some stairs
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  Speaker 1: because she wouldn't go in the elevator. It all came
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  Speaker 1: out to the point of hatred, but still I think
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  Speaker 1: there was passion. Yes. And it's too bad because they
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  Speaker 1: have all these kids.
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  Speaker 3: Yeah, no, it's really sad. And I had like a
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  Speaker 3: front row seat to all of this for the longest time.
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  Speaker 3: But you're right.
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  Speaker 1: What were your thoughts during all that time? Did you
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  Speaker 1: think they were like a perfect marriage?
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  Speaker 3: Well, like you said, no marriage is perfect, right? Right.
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  Speaker 3: So what I always thought was they have this codependent relationship. Right.
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  Speaker 3: And we also have to remember the age difference.
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  Speaker 1: Right.
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  Speaker 3: You know, like.
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  Speaker 1: It's like eight years, right?
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  Speaker 3: It's like eight years.
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  Speaker 1: That she's older.
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  Speaker 3: She's older. He's from Montana. He is a product of
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  Speaker 3: a two-parent household. One sister.
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  Speaker 3: And he met this Pamela Anderson Lee, you know.
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  Speaker 1: Yeah.
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  Speaker 3: The Atlanta version of that, right?
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  Speaker 4: Right.
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  Speaker 3: You got the dumb jock in the locker room telling
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  Speaker 3: all his boys like, yeah, I'm fucking that girl on
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  Speaker 3: the Housewives, you know. She made sure to sort of
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  Speaker 3: like woo him in with her feminine prowess. She's a
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  Speaker 3: very beautiful woman, very sexy.
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  Speaker 1: And I mean, I don't, I just, there's no... No diss,
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  Speaker 1: but they did get pregnant before marriage.
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  Speaker 3: Yeah.
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  Speaker 1: So you lock it down.
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  Speaker 3: Lock it down. Yeah.
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  Speaker 1: Right?
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  Speaker 3: And he adopted the girls. Right.
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  Speaker 2: So.
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  Speaker 1: And the parents. He lost the parents.
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  Speaker 3: They do not speak.
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  Speaker 1: I wonder if the parents will ever come back in
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  Speaker 1: the fold, if he ever connects with them, and if
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  Speaker 1: they can be grandparents to these kids ever, or will
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  Speaker 1: they be like, we can't hang out with those grandparents because...
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  Speaker 1: you know, mom doesn't like them or whatever. Yeah. Yeah.
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  Speaker 1: It's it, it was, yeah, it was a lot. And, and,
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  Speaker 1: you know, again, even though he was the manager of
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  Speaker 1: the wigs and the makeup and I'm sure their days
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  Speaker 1: were very full. I mean, the amount of products and
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  Speaker 1: stuff they did when people say like, Oh, a guy
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  Speaker 1: like that doesn't do anything all day. That's bullshit. Like
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  Speaker 1: we know what goes into doing even one post and
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  Speaker 1: the emails back and forth and how to do these things. And,
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  Speaker 1: They did a lot. I mean, I don't think their
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  Speaker 1: days were, like, laying around, you know. Though there is
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  Speaker 1: some accounts that there was some laying around. Whatever. Who cares? But,
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  Speaker 1: you know, all the kids and all the stuff and then, yeah,
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  Speaker 1: and I don't know what he's going to do. Like,
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  Speaker 1: she will always be able to find something if she
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  Speaker 1: wants it.
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  Speaker 3: Well, she's the star in the relationship, right? But I
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  Speaker 3: also think you're right in the sense of when the
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  Speaker 3: money ran out, so did her desire to be intimate.
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  Speaker 3: Because Kim Zosiac is not the type of woman who
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  Speaker 3: can continue to be with a man who isn't bringing
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  Speaker 3: in any income. And I do believe that was the
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  Speaker 3: biggest issue in their relationship, is the fact that she
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  Speaker 3: has caviar taste. Like, she loves the finer things in life.
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  Speaker 3: And with Croy not working significantly, right, no woman wants
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  Speaker 3: to be the breadwinner all of the time. So when
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  Speaker 3: she lost the shows, unfortunately, I think reality set in.
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  Speaker 3: It's sort of like COVID, how all those marriages broke
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  Speaker 3: up during COVID, where you sit around each other in
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  Speaker 3: the house and you're trapped. And I think it hit
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  Speaker 3: her like, I'm in this marriage. We have no money
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  Speaker 3: coming in. Is this really what I want my life
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  Speaker 3: to be? Right.
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  Speaker 1: And then the fight started where she tried to get out,
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  Speaker 1: tried to take the back. Also, she did have a
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  Speaker 1: gambling problem, which he probably blames the financial stuff on that. Yeah,
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  Speaker 1: it's interesting. Now, why did their show no longer exist?
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  Speaker 3: So what I heard about Don't Be Tardy, the reason
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  Speaker 3: why the show did not continue was twofold. The ratings
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  Speaker 3: weren't as high as they used to be. And when
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  Speaker 3: a show is a half hour, you can't make the
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  Speaker 3: talent get paid that amount of money twice. for a
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  Speaker 3: half hour show.
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  Speaker 1: Okay.
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  Speaker 3: You know, when she was on Housewives, it's a one
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  Speaker 3: hour show, it's an ensemble, the ratings are great, it
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  Speaker 3: makes sense to get paid upwards of $ 90, 000 per episode. Okay.
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  Speaker 3: You can't get that on a half hour show where
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  Speaker 3: the ratings are the same.
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  Speaker 1: So is it always a half hour it started off as.
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  Speaker 3: A one hour then it became a half hour and
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  Speaker 3: you know about that being in the business right your
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  Speaker 3: your check is cut in half.
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  Speaker 1: Right yeah interesting yeah.
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  Speaker 3: So that's what happened. And look, I think she deserves
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  Speaker 3: to be back on television. I'm a huge fan of Kim.
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  Speaker 3: She's my friend. I love her. I want to see
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  Speaker 3: her back on Housewives. I think what Atlanta needs is
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  Speaker 3: the OGs.
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  Speaker 1: I asked Candy about it at this Variety reality, and
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  Speaker 1: she's like, tell them. She would totally be down. I
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  Speaker 1: got the impression she'd be down. Oh, yeah. And because
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  Speaker 1: she knows what makes for a juicy show. And even
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  Speaker 1: though they had their issues about the song and not
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  Speaker 1: getting paid, I'm sure she doesn't care and could move
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  Speaker 1: on and they could be fun and interesting together. So
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  Speaker 1: she knows that would help the show. If Kim came back,
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  Speaker 1: because I feel like the last season was pretty, I
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  Speaker 1: don't even remember if anything happened in the last season.
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  Speaker 1: It was kind of dull, right?
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  Speaker 3: I stopped watching.
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  Speaker 1: You did?
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  Speaker 3: I stopped watching the episode where Marlo had a date.
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  Speaker 3: Do you remember that episode?
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  Speaker 1: I don't know, but anybody that has a date, like
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  Speaker 1: Sutton or whatever, it's all casted. It's all wannabe actors
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  Speaker 1: that are over 50. It's so lame. This isn't Millionaire
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  Speaker 1: Matchmaker 2009. We don't need to see it. I don't
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  Speaker 1: want to see the funniness that goes on when your
• 11:30
  Speaker 1: friend takes your phone and does Bumble. That was funny
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  Speaker 1: five years ago. Absolutely. It's not really that funny anymore.
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  Speaker 1: It's not really original. Yes. You got to have something
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  Speaker 1: else going on.
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  Speaker 3: Yeah.
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  Speaker 1: No. Unfortunately, unfortunately, because sometimes that is all you have
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  Speaker 1: going on is going on dates and stuff, but to
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  Speaker 1: see it and everything, I feel that's very contrived to
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  Speaker 1: either go good or go bad. Like if, you know,
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  Speaker 1: so interesting.
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  Speaker 2: Okay.
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  Speaker 1: Let's move on.
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  Speaker 3: I'm Darman, and this is What Happens Next.
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  Speaker 2: Each week on the show, I sit down with extraordinary
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  Speaker 2: people who have faced tremendous setbacks and yet somehow have
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  Speaker 2: found a way to turn them into their greatest strengths.
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  Speaker 4: Life is one long lesson of chaos.
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  Speaker 1: I'm heading to the Emmys, and I have police complaints
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  Speaker 1: filed against me.
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  Speaker 3: When your free will was about to be taken from you,
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  Speaker 3: what would you do if it was given back?
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  Speaker 2: Where did that need come from where you thought that
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  Speaker 2: you had to succeed in order to feel loved?
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  Speaker 1: He said, I have a work dad.
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  Speaker 3: I need a home dad.
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  Speaker 1: What happens next? When I came in, he started crying.
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  Speaker 2: Everybody in life encounters hardships. What defines them is not
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  Speaker 2: those hard moments that they go through.
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  Speaker 3: It's about what happens next.
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  Speaker 1: I decided to risk it all. I realized how valuable
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  Speaker 1: every day was. You're worth the work.
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  Speaker 3: Listen, Dara, I'm not going to pull punches.
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  Speaker 1: You can use your voice even if it shakes.
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  Speaker 2: The stories are different, but the impact is the same.
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  Speaker 2: Only one question matters. What happens next?
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  Speaker 1: What do you think about the new season of Vanderpump?
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  Speaker 3: I cannot, okay.
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  Speaker 1: Have you not seen it yet?
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  Speaker 3: I haven't seen it yet.
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  Speaker 1: I saw it like two weeks ago and I thought
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  Speaker 1: it was coming out the next day. So I already
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  Speaker 1: viewed it two weeks ago. Is it good? And I
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  Speaker 1: hope they don't get mad at me. Yeah, it is good.
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  Speaker 1: It is good because you see them coming after kind
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  Speaker 1: of picking up the pieces. I love that they're really,
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  Speaker 1: they're honest. They're like Tom Sandoval is doing Special Forces.
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  Speaker 4: Yes.
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  Speaker 1: They don't say, or maybe say he's doing a show,
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  Speaker 1: but they don't act like he's visiting his mother. I mean,
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  Speaker 1: they say the truth. She's living in the house with him.
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  Speaker 1: And he just did an interview, Tom Sandoval, and now
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  Speaker 1: he's like, she belittled me. She was awful to me.
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  Speaker 1: He's like, so I reacted in the way of cheating
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  Speaker 1: because I had such low self-esteem. Why did I have
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  Speaker 1: low self-esteem? Because she never built me up. She knocked
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  Speaker 1: me down. And so now he's kind of going more
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  Speaker 1: like on the offensive, this round of, of his life.
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  Speaker 1: He's kind of like, okay, enough of me being the
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  Speaker 1: punching bag. Yeah, I cheated, but you were an awful girlfriend.
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  Speaker 1: So people don't like that. And then he also said
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  Speaker 1: that he did offer her money to buy her out
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  Speaker 1: of the house. And she says, you know, I don't
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  Speaker 1: know what, I don't know what the deal is with
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  Speaker 1: the house. I think she just really doesn't want to move. Listen,
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  Speaker 1: I think just, it's like, I just think, I wouldn't
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  Speaker 1: want to move. I haven't moved in a really long time.
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  Speaker 1: And it's a real pain in the ass. But you
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  Speaker 1: got to do it. You got to bite the bullet.
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  Speaker 1: You got to bring in the people and just get
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  Speaker 1: the movers to help you.
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  Speaker 3: Yeah, but you're also a mom of two boys and
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  Speaker 3: a wife, right? So moving is a lot to do.
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  Speaker 3: She's a single woman in West Hollywood. You can move.
• 15:20
  Speaker 3: This may be a very unpopular opinion. I was not
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  Speaker 3: the biggest fan of Phantom Pump Rules. I watched in
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  Speaker 3: the beginning. then it fell off the radar for me
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  Speaker 3: a little bit. Obviously, with Scandal of All, a bitch
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  Speaker 3: was in it.
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  Speaker 1: Right.
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  Speaker 3: And I'm here for it. Ariana, to me, unpopular opinion.
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  Speaker 3: I feel like she's taking advantage of this scandal. And
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  Speaker 3: she's using it for her benefit. You know, because she's
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  Speaker 3: getting all of these endorsements, all of this sympathy. She's
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  Speaker 3: not the first woman to be cheated on reality television, right? Now,
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  Speaker 3: the way it happened is so scandalous that, in my opinion,
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  Speaker 3: she's on The View. She's playing Roxy in Chicago.
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  Speaker 1: Yeah, she just had her opening night.
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  Speaker 5: Yeah.
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  Speaker 1: And, you know, everyone said she was great that went.
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  Speaker 1: The cameras were there. There's a lot of, you know,
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  Speaker 1: people posting her. bow and everything. So it seemed like
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  Speaker 1: it went great.
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  Speaker 3: She's loving it.
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  Speaker 1: As she should.
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  Speaker 3: As she should. And guess what? That's okay. Don't make
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  Speaker 3: it seem like you are the first woman to get
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  Speaker 3: cheated on. And oh my gosh, I'm in this million
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  Speaker 3: dollar home. I can't move. We have no kids. It's
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  Speaker 3: just he and I. There's no way I'm Sister, save it.
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  Speaker 3: You want to use this as long as you can.
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  Speaker 3: Your PR person, your manager, your social media manager, your producer,
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  Speaker 3: everybody around you saying, look, honey, you have never been
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  Speaker 3: more famous. Milk this shit as long as you can.
• 16:58
  Speaker 3: And I feel like, Ariana, I'm getting off of the
• 17:01
  Speaker 3: train of sympathy.
• 17:02
  Speaker 1: Okay, wait. I have a new theory now.
• 17:04
  Speaker 2: Okay.
• 17:05
  Speaker 1: Maybe the staying in the house... Maybe it doesn't really
• 17:10
  Speaker 1: bother for her to see him. Maybe it's really not
• 17:13
  Speaker 1: that painful because she was detached and they weren't really
• 17:18
  Speaker 1: a real couple for many, many years. And yes, he
• 17:22
  Speaker 1: deceived her and humiliated her and she was shocked mostly
• 17:25
  Speaker 1: because it was a friend and all of that. But
• 17:28
  Speaker 1: now that she is doing so well and has her
• 17:29
  Speaker 1: own boyfriend, she's like, fuck it. I don't really fucking care.
• 17:33
  Speaker 1: I'm going to stay in this house until I get
• 17:35
  Speaker 1: what I want. And I don't know if that's money
• 17:37
  Speaker 1: or if she wants.
• 17:40
  Speaker 1: If she wants to buy him out, I don't know
• 17:41
  Speaker 1: what her goal is. Like, if she's like, no, I
• 17:43
  Speaker 1: want him gone and he's asking too much. We don't
• 17:46
  Speaker 1: know that because I've heard both sides and I don't know.
• 17:48
  Speaker 3: What it is.
• 17:49
  Speaker 1: But maybe part of it is that she's just like
• 17:51
  Speaker 1: exactly that. Like, no, I... Or maybe I'm going to
• 17:55
  Speaker 1: torture him a little by digging my heels in. I
• 17:57
  Speaker 1: don't know.
• 17:58
  Speaker 3: I think she's looking for the U-Haul endorsement. I think she's... Heather, listen,
• 18:05
  Speaker 3: this is no shade. She did a commercial about moving
• 18:08
  Speaker 3: with boxes. I'm telling you.
• 18:11
  Speaker 1: Oh, that's right. And then she never moved, right?
• 18:12
  Speaker 3: She never moved. She's waiting for the U-Haul endorsement. She's
• 18:16
  Speaker 3: waiting for UPS to call her, FedEx, USPS, okay, Uber,
• 18:21
  Speaker 3: Uber Eats, DoorDash. She's waiting for the opportunity to continue
• 18:26
  Speaker 3: to make money off of this scandal. I'm telling you,
• 18:29
  Speaker 3: there is not any more sympathy left in me. You
• 18:32
  Speaker 3: got cheated on. It was effed up. I'm on your side.
• 18:36
  Speaker 3: At this point, take me off the group chat. Like,
• 18:40
  Speaker 3: I'm just, I'm completely over it. You're not the first
• 18:44
  Speaker 3: woman to get cheated on.
• 18:46
  Speaker 1: How do you feel about how we see a moment
• 18:48
  Speaker 1: of Lala in the trailer? And, well, you see it
• 18:53
  Speaker 1: on the episode where she starts to feel badly because
• 18:57
  Speaker 1: there's this moment, and this was the one moment I
• 19:00
  Speaker 1: did feel badly for Raquel, was it was like after
• 19:03
  Speaker 1: the reunion where she's like, I'm scared because if I
• 19:08
  Speaker 1: turn on tom by maybe not telling the story that
• 19:12
  Speaker 1: he wants me to tell then i have nobody and
• 19:15
  Speaker 1: he's all i have so she had the isolating thing
• 19:18
  Speaker 1: so she goes and she talks to lisa vanderpump about
• 19:21
  Speaker 1: that and then she does reach out to raquel and
• 19:25
  Speaker 1: then she has to tell ariana just so you know
• 19:27
  Speaker 1: i reached out to raquel and i was wondering if
• 19:29
  Speaker 1: the audience how the audience will react to that but
• 19:32
  Speaker 1: you know there's this other part where she is kind
• 19:34
  Speaker 1: of like hey i was cheated on too Why, you know,
• 19:38
  Speaker 1: why didn't I get this sympathy? And I'm like, I just,
• 19:42
  Speaker 1: sympathy of what? Like, I mean, I sympathized. I was
• 19:46
  Speaker 1: Lala's friend and I sympathized with what was going on
• 19:48
  Speaker 1: because I knew she was, committed to this life with
• 19:51
  Speaker 1: Randall and everything. But I just think you can't compare.
• 19:55
  Speaker 1: I think she, I think Lala totally supported Ariana when
• 19:58
  Speaker 1: this happened. She was mad, but she made the most
• 20:02
  Speaker 1: out of it when she saw an opportunity. She didn't
• 20:05
  Speaker 1: know that that sent it to Daryl's shirt. was going
• 20:08
  Speaker 1: to make so much. She just was like, oh, let's
• 20:10
  Speaker 1: just put it up. People seem to be reacting. She
• 20:12
  Speaker 1: didn't know. That doesn't make her a bad, you know,
• 20:15
  Speaker 1: like everyone, it was smart for everyone to do what
• 20:18
  Speaker 1: they could from it. But she and Ariana are good.
• 20:21
  Speaker 1: They're fine. Like, but I think Ariana is totally where
• 20:25
  Speaker 1: she should be. And she always wanted to be a
• 20:27
  Speaker 1: Broadway star. And who knows what next season will bring.
• 20:32
  Speaker 1: But this season is going to show, like, all of it. But,
• 20:36
  Speaker 1: of course, they're in a different place now, seven, eight
• 20:40
  Speaker 1: months later. Like, time does heal wounds to an extent.
• 20:45
  Speaker 1: So they are going to be able to, like, hang
• 20:47
  Speaker 1: with each other now and chuckle and, yeah.
• 20:52
  Speaker 4: Yeah.
• 20:52
  Speaker 1: But Raquel, you know, Raquel still has a podcast. I
• 20:54
  Speaker 1: forgot about it.
• 20:55
  Speaker 3: She does?
• 20:56
  Speaker 1: Yes.
• 20:57
  Speaker 2: Okay.
• 20:57
  Speaker 1: And when people show clips of it, they double time
• 20:59
  Speaker 1: it because she talks so slow, which is so smart.
• 21:03
  Speaker 3: So funny. Look, I feel horrible for Raquel.
• 21:11
  Speaker 1: You feel horrible?
• 21:12
  Speaker 3: I'm going to tell you why.
• 21:13
  Speaker 1: Okay.
• 21:14
  Speaker 3: I'm going to tell you why. When all of this
• 21:17
  Speaker 3: went down, she was villainized and rightfully so. Like, if
• 21:24
  Speaker 3: my best friend was sleeping with my guy... you're like
• 21:28
  Speaker 3: dead to me, right? But as somebody who watched the reunion,
• 21:33
  Speaker 3: and do you remember when Raquel was in the trailer
• 21:36
  Speaker 3: just watching the live feed? Was I the only person
• 21:41
  Speaker 3: in that moment, Heather, that I was like, something's not
• 21:46
  Speaker 3: right in this situation. There was something very.
• 21:49
  Speaker 1: How she was like laughing?
• 21:50
  Speaker 3: Yeah, there was something off about her that I was like, oh,
• 21:54
  Speaker 3: this isn't... In my opinion.
• 21:56
  Speaker 1: I still don't think she feels bad about it. I
• 21:59
  Speaker 1: don't really feel she has a ton of remorse. I
• 22:02
  Speaker 1: really don't. I think she's sad that her life, that
• 22:06
  Speaker 1: she had to go through that and her life had
• 22:07
  Speaker 1: to go through that. But there's a difference between someone saying,
• 22:10
  Speaker 1: I'm sorry because I was caught and someone that's like,
• 22:14
  Speaker 1: I am really sorry because I saw the pain I
• 22:17
  Speaker 1: put you through and I can't believe I put you
• 22:19
  Speaker 1: through that pain. I don't think she feels that badly
• 22:24
  Speaker 1: about it. I just really don't.
• 22:25
  Speaker 3: I don't think she has the mental capacity to understand.
• 22:30
  Speaker 3: And again, I'm making excuses for her.
• 22:33
  Speaker 1: So you're saying you think maybe she is on the
• 22:36
  Speaker 1: spectrum or emotionally detached or something?
• 22:38
  Speaker 3: I would say the latter. I would say emotionally detached.
• 22:43
  Speaker 3: There was something off about her in that moment that
• 22:47
  Speaker 3: I just remember being like, guys... She can handle all
• 22:52
  Speaker 3: of you attacking her. Give that shit to Tom.
• 22:55
  Speaker 1: Well, I just want to tell you what she said
• 22:56
  Speaker 1: in her last episode because I saw a clip.
• 22:59
  Speaker 2: Okay.
• 23:00
  Speaker 1: And I'm like, okay, I felt sorry for your second.
• 23:03
  Speaker 1: I don't know. She brings up Sheena and she's like,
• 23:07
  Speaker 1: you know, with the Sheena attacked me or whatever because
• 23:10
  Speaker 1: of the scrape on her. Whatever. And well, she just
• 23:15
  Speaker 1: showed up at the restraining order after the temporary was
• 23:19
  Speaker 1: given to her. And Raquel decided not to show up.
• 23:22
  Speaker 1: So it was dismissed. So she's like, I mean, I
• 23:25
  Speaker 1: don't know what was going through Sheena's head. I mean,
• 23:29
  Speaker 1: you know, Brock had some issues with his first wife
• 23:32
  Speaker 1: and she says it all out, which I'm not going
• 23:34
  Speaker 1: to say. And maybe she was worried about, you know,
• 23:37
  Speaker 1: the custody of her child. She is now putting out
• 23:44
  Speaker 1: there that there was a chance that Sheena could have
• 23:48
  Speaker 1: had summer moon. Taken from her by CPS. I'm sorry.
• 23:54
  Speaker 1: That's what she was insinuating. I heard it. I mean,
• 23:59
  Speaker 1: F off.
• 24:01
  Speaker 5: No.
• 24:02
  Speaker 1: Like F off. Like you are not sorry. You are,
• 24:06
  Speaker 1: you know, you're taking all these little things. Are you
• 24:09
  Speaker 1: kidding me? Like, are you kidding me now?
• 24:12
  Speaker 3: Yeah.
• 24:13
  Speaker 1: To talk about somebody's child and custody and like that,
• 24:17
  Speaker 1: that was something that she should be concerned with.
• 24:20
  Speaker 3: Yeah, I get it. That's what I'm saying. I just,
• 24:24
  Speaker 3: based on her behavior, even the Bethany interview, she doesn't
• 24:28
  Speaker 3: seem all the way there to me. She just doesn't.
• 24:32
  Speaker 1: I don't think she ever was.
• 24:33
  Speaker 3: Oh, yeah, me neither.
• 24:34
  Speaker 1: That's why Lala called her a Bambi died bitch. I
• 24:36
  Speaker 1: think she's, just that's her. We're never going to get
• 24:40
  Speaker 1: that much more from her. No. That much more growth
• 24:43
  Speaker 1: or whatever. No.
• 24:44
  Speaker 3: And this is it.
• 24:44
  Speaker 1: And honestly, I listened to the first one and I
• 24:47
  Speaker 1: kind of forgot. But, That it's even happening.
• 24:50
  Speaker 3: Yeah, no, I agree. Listen, she doesn't have the personality
• 24:55
  Speaker 3: to hold a conversation, let alone a podcast. Pretty girl,
• 24:59
  Speaker 3: very aloof, you know, just like... And again, the behavior
• 25:04
  Speaker 3: of somebody that can sleep with your girl's man and
• 25:11
  Speaker 3: do it behind her back, in her face, I mean,
• 25:14
  Speaker 3: in her house, all those things is just... It's very
• 25:18
  Speaker 3: troubling and a little bit diabolical. So that's why to
• 25:22
  Speaker 3: me it's like there's something else going on there that
• 25:27
  Speaker 3: I think the story should be.
• 25:28
  Speaker 1: I just thought of a great idea. No, you finish it.
• 25:31
  Speaker 1: You think the story should be.
• 25:33
  Speaker 3: There's a story there that I want to follow and
• 25:37
  Speaker 3: figure out what's really behind the.
• 25:42
  Speaker 5: Wall.
• 25:42
  Speaker 1: Yeah, I've said that the thing that we really want
• 25:46
  Speaker 1: to know the juice that hasn't been told is going
• 25:50
  Speaker 1: through like her journal or whatever of, you know, the,
• 25:56
  Speaker 1: you know, a journal of the affair or whatever. Like
• 25:59
  Speaker 1: when she thought when she lied here, when she was
• 26:02
  Speaker 1: going to get caught, what she was thinking, how she
• 26:05
  Speaker 1: was justifying it. That I thought that's the way to
• 26:09
  Speaker 1: get people to listen. I think it'll be, she'll just
• 26:12
  Speaker 1: end up recapping the show like everybody else. And then,
• 26:17
  Speaker 1: Only then if she really does feel like, okay, I'm
• 26:19
  Speaker 1: ready to really come clean. And then people will be like,
• 26:22
  Speaker 1: oh my God, we're tired of hearing this story. But
• 26:24
  Speaker 1: that's the only part that I kind of want to know.
• 26:27
  Speaker 1: When you say what is in someone's head, what is
• 26:29
  Speaker 1: in someone who does such betrayal? Because she really betrayed.
• 26:35
  Speaker 1: And then people are like, what about him? He cheated. Yes,
• 26:38
  Speaker 1: we get that. Guys cheat and everything. But the real
• 26:41
  Speaker 1: thing that captivated the world was the betrayal of of
• 26:46
  Speaker 1: two women that you are talking to your friend and
• 26:49
  Speaker 1: acting like she's your friend and you're acting like her
• 26:52
  Speaker 1: hope that you're single and you're hoping to find a
• 26:54
  Speaker 1: boyfriend when you're screwing her man. That is what, when
• 26:59
  Speaker 1: people go, why was this such a big deal? That
• 27:01
  Speaker 1: is why. Yeah. Because we never saw that. We saw
• 27:03
  Speaker 1: housewives have cheating husbands. We've seen, we've seen all that
• 27:06
  Speaker 1: we see. Never have we seen this. And that is,
• 27:10
  Speaker 1: that's the thing.
• 27:11
  Speaker 3: Yeah, and to the degree in which the behavior, again,
• 27:15
  Speaker 3: was very diabolical.
• 27:17
  Speaker 1: Yeah.
• 27:17
  Speaker 3: You know? So, look, I'm happy she went to, was
• 27:23
  Speaker 3: it rehab or?
• 27:25
  Speaker 1: Yeah, like an emotional rehab.
• 27:27
  Speaker 3: Yeah, like, so that's good to take care of yourself.
• 27:29
  Speaker 3: I just think a podcast to me was not the
• 27:30
  Speaker 3: smartest thing to do.
• 27:31
  Speaker 1: I just think she's got to make some money and
• 27:33
  Speaker 1: the offer was there. So why not?
• 27:36
  Speaker 3: So the money that Bethany allegedly paid her for the
• 27:38
  Speaker 3: interview didn't cover her salary for the year?
• 27:41
  Speaker 4: No.
• 27:42
  Speaker 1: I can guess what that was.
• 27:43
  Speaker 3: $ 5, 000? I think it.
• 27:44
  Speaker 1: Was $ 10, 000.
• 27:45
  Speaker 3: Okay. Tax-free?
• 27:48
  Speaker 1: Well, no. Why would it be tax-free? There's no way
• 27:50
  Speaker 1: Bethany gave her tax-free. She definitely W-2'd her. Bethany being like,
• 28:02
  Speaker 1: You know what I'm going to do? You know what
• 28:04
  Speaker 1: I'm going to do, Kelly? You're going to do a podcast.
• 28:05
  Speaker 1: You're going to tell the truth. You're going to tell
• 28:06
  Speaker 1: these people. You know what? Because you're going to be
• 28:08
  Speaker 1: right eating while she was doing it. Oh, my God.
• 28:12
  Speaker 1: I love it. Okay, Calista Flockhart.
• 28:15
  Speaker 2: Yes.
• 28:15
  Speaker 1: You remember her from Ally McBeal.
• 28:16
  Speaker 2: I love her.
• 28:17
  Speaker 1: I thought this was really interesting. She said that the
• 28:21
  Speaker 1: anorexic rumors really stressed her out, and she really felt
• 28:25
  Speaker 1: it was going to keep her from working. And she
• 28:27
  Speaker 1: was never anorexic. She was just that size. And she's
• 28:31
  Speaker 1: the same size today. And I, I really think she goes,
• 28:36
  Speaker 1: it's called body shaming now. And I was like, I
• 28:39
  Speaker 1: really think that is awful because I remember that just
• 28:42
  Speaker 1: that she was skinny. I remember the same thing happened
• 28:44
  Speaker 1: with Nicole Richie. Everyone thought Nicole Richie was anorexic, but
• 28:48
  Speaker 1: then Nicole Richie has given birth to two kids and
• 28:51
  Speaker 1: she's still kind of that thin girl. Like some people
• 28:54
  Speaker 1: are meant to be a smaller size. And, um, And
• 29:00
  Speaker 1: so I think anorexia is the boringest storyline there is.
• 29:06
  Speaker 1: And I know it is sometimes someone's life and it's
• 29:09
  Speaker 1: their storyline. But I would tell you as a viewer,
• 29:13
  Speaker 1: even if somebody has that in their life, I wouldn't
• 29:17
  Speaker 1: share that much of it on camera. It is not compelling.
• 29:20
  Speaker 1: It is not caught on. We've had Jackie Goldschneider of
• 29:25
  Speaker 1: New Jersey talk about it. We've had Crystal talk about it.
• 29:29
  Speaker 1: Sutton's been accused of it. I... Has anybody... I don't know.
• 29:35
  Speaker 1: I just feel like it is your truth, and I
• 29:37
  Speaker 1: appreciate them being truthful, but it just... it just never gets,
• 29:42
  Speaker 1: I don't know. It doesn't get like the sympathy. It
• 29:45
  Speaker 1: doesn't get the interest. Cause it's just like, it's just
• 29:47
  Speaker 1: not that like alcoholism, things like that. People. Why do
• 29:50
  Speaker 1: you think that is?
• 29:51
  Speaker 3: Yeah, no, that's a very good question. I think when
• 29:54
  Speaker 3: you look at reality television, especially let's just say housewives, right?
• 29:58
  Speaker 2: Right.
• 30:00
  Speaker 3: It's no secret that 90% of housewives are wealthy or
• 30:05
  Speaker 3: come from a wealthy establishment.
• 30:06
  Speaker 2: Right.
• 30:08
  Speaker 3: It's hard for the average woman at home to sympathize
• 30:12
  Speaker 3: with you because you're able to eat all this food
• 30:16
  Speaker 3: you choose not to.
• 30:17
  Speaker 1: That is so true.
• 30:18
  Speaker 3: You know what I mean? You can afford all this food.
• 30:22
  Speaker 3: You're wearing all these designer clothes. And you want me
• 30:25
  Speaker 3: to feel sorry for you when I have to work
• 30:28
  Speaker 3: hard to feed my children. And you don't want to
• 30:31
  Speaker 3: feed yourself because you want to fit in these designer clothes.
• 30:35
  Speaker 1: You're so right. It's a real disease, but it's a
• 30:39
  Speaker 1: disease of luxury, really. I mean, you can't, you know
• 30:43
  Speaker 1: what I mean? It doesn't really seem to be happening.
• 30:46
  Speaker 1: But also then we could argue, well, it's not happening
• 30:49
  Speaker 1: because we, again, don't know about it. It is that.
• 30:53
  Speaker 1: It is a white girl, middle class, an upper middle
• 30:59
  Speaker 1: class disease. And oftentimes it's that way because their friend
• 31:03
  Speaker 1: will introduce them to it. It's something– I believe it's
• 31:06
  Speaker 1: something that you have to see and be made aware of.
• 31:10
  Speaker 1: You wouldn't think of it on your own, in my opinion,
• 31:13
  Speaker 1: because I remember being in high school and the Karen
• 31:17
  Speaker 1: Carpenter movie came out and also this other movie called
• 31:19
  Speaker 1: Best Little Girl in the World, which was with Jennifer
• 31:23
  Speaker 1: Jason Leigh. And we all went to an all-girl high school.
• 31:25
  Speaker 1: We all came back the next day, talked about it,
• 31:28
  Speaker 1: and said, oh, we can take laxatives to poo out
• 31:30
  Speaker 1: our food. And nobody knew that until we saw it
• 31:34
  Speaker 1: on TV.
• 31:35
  Speaker 3: Oh, wow. So it made you want to do it.
• 31:38
  Speaker 1: It made me realize I didn't do it, but it
• 31:40
  Speaker 1: made me realize that this exists. Yeah. And same thing
• 31:43
  Speaker 1: with puking. You were taught how to do it. You
• 31:48
  Speaker 1: had to have seen it. Someone had to have showed you.
• 31:50
  Speaker 1: You wouldn't think about it. You just, you know. So
• 31:54
  Speaker 1: I think you're right. I think that's why it's just not.
• 31:58
  Speaker 1: A storyline that anyone has great sympathy for or really
• 32:01
  Speaker 1: wants more of. Like, oh, please tell me more about
• 32:03
  Speaker 1: your anorexic journey. Like, yeah, you're right.
• 32:05
  Speaker 3: Yeah, I just don't think, I don't think it's something
• 32:07
  Speaker 3: that the large audience can relate to, number one. And
• 32:11
  Speaker 3: I think number two, again, there are, listen, It's an
• 32:17
  Speaker 3: unfortunate mental disease. Because it's all mental.
• 32:21
  Speaker 1: Right.
• 32:22
  Speaker 3: Because even when Crystal said in a recent episode how
• 32:27
  Speaker 3: she looks at the other women and compare herself to them. And,
• 32:33
  Speaker 3: you know, people say she looks great and she doesn't
• 32:35
  Speaker 3: think she looks great. Or even when Jackie, I think
• 32:38
  Speaker 3: two seasons ago, like really struggled to eat the ice cream.
• 32:42
  Speaker 2: Right.
• 32:42
  Speaker 3: Remember that?
• 32:43
  Speaker 1: And it was like.
• 32:45
  Speaker 3: Wow, it's sad to watch, but it's not something to
• 32:49
  Speaker 3: me that I think the large percentage of the audience
• 32:53
  Speaker 3: can relate to. And they do check out of it.
• 32:56
  Speaker 3: And I think you made a good point. Typically, when
• 32:59
  Speaker 3: you have these behaviors on reality TV, you see it. Yeah.
• 33:03
  Speaker 3: So I think it's one thing if you saw the...
• 33:07
  Speaker 3: hand down the throat and kind of like really saw
• 33:10
  Speaker 3: that happen. I think maybe that will- Like a movie, yeah.
• 33:12
  Speaker 3: Like a movie. Yeah, yeah. And in terms of Ally McBeal,
• 33:16
  Speaker 3: I was around that time. So what's funny is I
• 33:19
  Speaker 3: wrote a term paper on Ally McBeal juxtaposed against Omarosa.
• 33:29
  Speaker 1: What class was this?
• 33:30
  Speaker 3: I was in college. This was for my journalism class.
• 33:34
  Speaker 1: Okay.
• 33:34
  Speaker 3: So I wrote about Ally McBeal White woman who was.
• 33:38
  Speaker 1: An attorney.
• 33:39
  Speaker 3: An attorney, but her scandal was being skinny.
• 33:43
  Speaker 4: Right.
• 33:43
  Speaker 3: Meaning publicly.
• 33:45
  Speaker 1: Yeah.
• 33:45
  Speaker 3: And so I do remember that. And then I juxtaposed
• 33:48
  Speaker 3: it against Omarosa on reality television and being labeled the
• 33:53
  Speaker 3: angry black woman. I'm a little crazy.
• 33:56
  Speaker 1: No, that's very interesting.
• 33:58
  Speaker 3: I got an A on it.
• 33:59
  Speaker 1: I think you're kind of ahead of your time. Thank you, love.
• 34:02
  Speaker 3: Yeah. Thank you. So I sell that to say I remember...
• 34:06
  Speaker 3: At that time, she is right. The only thing I
• 34:09
  Speaker 3: knew about Ally McBeal was her weight. That's all it was.
• 34:13
  Speaker 3: But you're in Hollywood. I'm in Hollywood adjacent with reality television.
• 34:18
  Speaker 3: I'm shocked personally to hear that you being too skinny
• 34:25
  Speaker 3: affected your career negatively. I've never heard that happen to
• 34:30
  Speaker 3: an actress.
• 34:31
  Speaker 1: She said she feared it, that it bothered her, it
• 34:34
  Speaker 1: got in her head. And, you know, she feared that
• 34:38
  Speaker 1: that chatter would hurt her career. I don't know if
• 34:40
  Speaker 1: she has real evidence that it did. But I don't
• 34:43
  Speaker 1: think it was great. I don't think that makes you
• 34:46
  Speaker 1: a likable person that, you know, oh, because I kind
• 34:49
  Speaker 1: of remember all that chatter. And then people thought it
• 34:52
  Speaker 1: about Portia.
• 34:53
  Speaker 2: Yeah.
• 34:53
  Speaker 1: De Rossi, is that her name?
• 34:54
  Speaker 3: Yeah.
• 34:55
  Speaker 1: Before she got married to Ellen and she was doing
• 34:58
  Speaker 1: really well. And then people were like, look how skinny
• 35:01
  Speaker 1: she is. And the main thing is that, you know,
• 35:03
  Speaker 1: they wear these little skirts and they work at the
• 35:05
  Speaker 1: law firm. And it's basically a musical. The show was like,
• 35:08
  Speaker 1: and I don't, yeah, I don't know why. And then
• 35:10
  Speaker 1: they're like, oh, now everyone's getting skinny. And, oh gosh,
• 35:14
  Speaker 1: you know, yeah, you're right. People, yeah, everyone, that was
• 35:19
  Speaker 1: such a chatter. That was such like a, cover of
• 35:21
  Speaker 1: the magazine, Withering Lord of Nothing.
• 35:23
  Speaker 3: It was like the Us Weekly with the Lindsay, the Nicoles,
• 35:26
  Speaker 3: and the Rachel Zoe.
• 35:28
  Speaker 1: Rachel Zoe, too, and Kelly Ripa. I think anytime women
• 35:32
  Speaker 1: have the bones that kind of show right here, like
• 35:35
  Speaker 1: at your chest, which also can just be your body,
• 35:39
  Speaker 1: just like anything else. I have very thin legs, and
• 35:43
  Speaker 1: people would think I had something. I'm like, no, it
• 35:45
  Speaker 1: doesn't matter how hard I work out. They're just smaller.
• 35:50
  Speaker 1: And So, yeah, it's like bodies are all different. And
• 35:54
  Speaker 1: you're right. People seem to want to attack that more
• 35:57
  Speaker 1: than anything else. But very– well, good. I'm glad you
• 36:01
  Speaker 1: got an A.
• 36:02
  Speaker 2: Okay.
• 36:03
  Speaker 1: Let me talk about this because did you see that
• 36:06
  Speaker 1: Anne-Marie went after Drunk Dawn? Drunk Drawn.
• 36:10
  Speaker 3: Yes. So refresh my memory because.
• 36:20
  Speaker 1: Of all the great moments of Housewives and she'll have
• 36:24
  Speaker 1: like eyes falling out but does really look like the
• 36:27
  Speaker 1: person and they're obviously really exaggerated and everything. And Anne-Marie,
• 36:31
  Speaker 1: who is the new cast member who is not being
• 36:35
  Speaker 1: very well received because she's a nurse of anesthesiology and
• 36:39
  Speaker 1: she's had numerous scenes. Now she's kind of saying the
• 36:43
  Speaker 1: producers prolonged that. She hinted at that. Where she was
• 36:47
  Speaker 1: questioning Sutton's small esophagus and why she doesn't eat that much.
• 36:51
  Speaker 1: And at one point did say that's an eating disorder.
• 36:54
  Speaker 1: She has an eating disorder and said it to Crystal.
• 36:56
  Speaker 1: So Crystal doesn't like her either. And what drunk drawn
• 37:01
  Speaker 1: drew showed Anne-Marie who is very physically fit. She's an
• 37:05
  Speaker 1: athlete and her hair, you know, is long and she
• 37:09
  Speaker 1: had like a strapless dress on and she, she exaggerated
• 37:12
  Speaker 1: her arms and everything to make her just look exaggerated.
• 37:17
  Speaker 1: So she felt that that was a racist drawing. And
• 37:22
  Speaker 1: I kind of, I don't know. I don't think it
• 37:25
  Speaker 1: was great. I don't think it was, I don't think
• 37:28
  Speaker 1: it was a wise thing. I don't think that the
• 37:30
  Speaker 1: drunk drawn person purposely did it. I think that that
• 37:35
  Speaker 1: person drew, has they drop everybody with Ramona's eyes, whatever
• 37:39
  Speaker 1: their thing is. And didn't think that being that she
• 37:42
  Speaker 1: is a woman of color, that it could be perceived
• 37:44
  Speaker 1: in a very, um, negative way.
• 37:47
  Speaker 3: Yeah, no, I agree. I did see the photo. And
• 37:51
  Speaker 3: like you said, the history of this person is to
• 37:54
  Speaker 3: overly exaggerate the person they're talking about.
• 37:57
  Speaker 1: Right.
• 37:57
  Speaker 3: Obviously, she is a woman of color.
• 37:59
  Speaker 2: Yeah.
• 38:00
  Speaker 3: And she is a very athletic woman at that. When
• 38:06
  Speaker 3: I saw the photo, I'm just being very honest, my
• 38:09
  Speaker 3: eyesight didn't go towards anything racial or For me, it
• 38:13
  Speaker 3: was more so like, oh, you're trying to make a
• 38:16
  Speaker 3: point with a drawing that you're used to doing.
• 38:19
  Speaker 1: Right.
• 38:20
  Speaker 3: So I didn't take it that way. Not saying that
• 38:23
  Speaker 3: how she feels is not how she feels.
• 38:25
  Speaker 1: Right.
• 38:25
  Speaker 3: My initial reaction was more so like, wow, you ladies
• 38:29
  Speaker 3: and you men really hate Anne-Marie. Right. No one likes her.
• 38:33
  Speaker 1: Right.
• 38:34
  Speaker 3: And I took it more so as that because everybody
• 38:37
  Speaker 3: is coming for her. Dr. Nicole, Tiffany Moon. everybody's coming
• 38:43
  Speaker 3: for this woman.
• 38:44
  Speaker 1: Right, because they think that she did not, that it
• 38:46
  Speaker 1: wasn't her place as a nurse to be saying these things.
• 38:49
  Speaker 3: So to me, it was more so about the exaggeration of.
• 38:54
  Speaker 1: Like a know-it-all, almost like, yeah.
• 38:57
  Speaker 3: I took it more so in terms of like, that's
• 38:59
  Speaker 3: their work. But I think the bigger conversation that you
• 39:04
  Speaker 3: and I should have is people don't like her.
• 39:09
  Speaker 1: Yeah.
• 39:10
  Speaker 3: And... I'm watching this season. I love a new girl.
• 39:17
  Speaker 3: I love somebody who's a badass that comes in and,
• 39:19
  Speaker 3: you know, says how she feels. She is coming across
• 39:25
  Speaker 3: to me. And I know how this shit works.
• 39:27
  Speaker 1: Right.
• 39:28
  Speaker 3: She is. possibly the most unlikable.
• 39:33
  Speaker 1: I agree.
• 39:34
  Speaker 3: First season, Beverly Hills housewife I have ever seen. It's
• 39:40
  Speaker 3: shocking how much I, who's like, I want to root
• 39:44
  Speaker 3: for you because I love a new girl. She's worse
• 39:48
  Speaker 3: than Diana Jenkins.
• 39:50
  Speaker 1: And do you know that her husband of all these years,
• 39:53
  Speaker 1: he's being accused?
• 39:55
  Speaker 3: I heard about that.
• 39:55
  Speaker 1: Of SA from back in college.
• 39:58
  Speaker 2: Yeah.
• 40:00
  Speaker 1: She's probably like, why the fuck did I say yes
• 40:04
  Speaker 1: to this? Because she really has gotten no fun out
• 40:07
  Speaker 1: of it at all.
• 40:08
  Speaker 3: Nothing.
• 40:09
  Speaker 1: And we know she only made probably 60 grand. And
• 40:13
  Speaker 1: it's like now she's, you know, at odds with her,
• 40:17
  Speaker 1: the nursing association, like, You know, she's fighting with them. Yeah,
• 40:23
  Speaker 1: I kind of feel, honestly, I kind of feel badly
• 40:25
  Speaker 1: for her. I just think she was a bad pick.
• 40:27
  Speaker 1: I think the storyline wasn't good for her. But I
• 40:31
  Speaker 1: also don't, I'm not dying to hang out with her. Like,
• 40:34
  Speaker 1: I don't, we never got to see her, like, laugh
• 40:37
  Speaker 1: or see anything fun. Her life. And then the husband,
• 40:40
  Speaker 1: her saying, well, my husband says, I'm not really great
• 40:43
  Speaker 1: at anything. I'm not great looking. I'm not a great cook.
• 40:46
  Speaker 1: I'm not a great this, but I'm about an eight
• 40:48
  Speaker 1: at everything. And if you, I don't know what she said,
• 40:50
  Speaker 1: combine all the eights together. So that made us go, well,
• 40:54
  Speaker 1: now we don't even really like your marriage because that's
• 40:58
  Speaker 1: not anything anyone wants to aspire to. A guy that's like,
• 41:02
  Speaker 1: I've dated a lot better looking girls than you, but
• 41:05
  Speaker 1: I think you'll be my wife. Like, it just is.
• 41:08
  Speaker 1: I definitely don't think she'll come back.
• 41:11
  Speaker 3: Oh, she's not coming back. And Emery, I would love
• 41:14
  Speaker 3: to talk to you because I am fascinated. We haven't
• 41:18
  Speaker 3: seen her life in her home, how her marriage is.
• 41:24
  Speaker 1: I'm going to give her an invitation to come on
• 41:25
  Speaker 1: Juicy Scoop, too. And I kind of want to be like, what?
• 41:30
  Speaker 1: This is what I always ask a new housewife. What
• 41:33
  Speaker 1: was your history of watching Housewives? How much did you know?
• 41:36
  Speaker 1: Were you a fan? Whatever. When you were approached, who
• 41:41
  Speaker 1: did you share it with? Who did you ask? Did
• 41:43
  Speaker 1: you do a pros and cons? Did you think about
• 41:45
  Speaker 1: why did you do it? Sometimes it's like the husband
• 41:49
  Speaker 1: is like, hey, go for it. I don't really care.
• 41:52
  Speaker 1: Sometimes the husband's not into it. Sometimes the husband's like,
• 41:54
  Speaker 1: definitely do this. I think this would be great for you.
• 41:56
  Speaker 1: I always think that's really interesting. Was someone saying, oh,
• 42:00
  Speaker 1: this could lead to such a bigger thing? You know,
• 42:03
  Speaker 1: like I understand why it's just such a huge platform
• 42:06
  Speaker 1: that even if you were like, God, I don't know
• 42:08
  Speaker 1: if I want to expose everything, but I've been working
• 42:11
  Speaker 1: on this. You know, I always thought I could have
• 42:13
  Speaker 1: a line of whatever. She's a nurse. I always thought
• 42:16
  Speaker 1: I could have a line of natural sleep enhancements. She's
• 42:20
  Speaker 1: a nurse of anesthesiology. And now I could like now
• 42:26
  Speaker 1: I could and you never know it could it could
• 42:29
  Speaker 1: be something huge. I doubt it. But, you know, now
• 42:32
  Speaker 1: she's unlikable. But before she started, you know, some women
• 42:36
  Speaker 1: have really made quite the empire out of it.
• 42:39
  Speaker 3: Yeah. But I also think we have to remind ourselves, too.
• 42:44
  Speaker 3: She was introduced in the middle of the season. And
• 42:48
  Speaker 3: I don't know if you heard this, but I heard
• 42:51
  Speaker 3: that for the first couple of weeks of filming this
• 42:54
  Speaker 3: current season of Beverly Hills, nothing was happening. It was
• 42:58
  Speaker 3: a snooze. The girls weren't like getting into it. nothing
• 43:02
  Speaker 3: was happening. So they brought her in the middle of
• 43:04
  Speaker 3: the season to sort of like spice things up, which
• 43:07
  Speaker 3: is why when she came at Crystal, and by the way, Emery,
• 43:11
  Speaker 3: I believe you. I believe Crystal said all those things
• 43:13
  Speaker 3: about those girls, being socialites, her being uneducated. I strongly,
• 43:19
  Speaker 3: 100% believe Emery, and I believe that Crystal said it.
• 43:24
  Speaker 1: So when they were out at something, she knew that
• 43:26
  Speaker 1: she was up for the show. Crystal came, they talked
• 43:30
  Speaker 1: some shit. And then she was like, and then the
• 43:35
  Speaker 1: producer's probably like, oh, bring that up at the first
• 43:38
  Speaker 1: Barcelona dinner.
• 43:39
  Speaker 5: Yeah.
• 43:39
  Speaker 3: Yeah. Like, because again, she was brought in in the
• 43:42
  Speaker 3: middle of the season at Kyle's dinner party.
• 43:45
  Speaker 1: Right.
• 43:46
  Speaker 3: Denise Richards and her slur words overtook that party. So
• 43:52
  Speaker 3: then it was more Anne-Marie-like moments later on. But she
• 43:56
  Speaker 3: wasn't doing anything. So she had to drop that bombshell
• 43:59
  Speaker 3: and it fell flat. Because those other ladies did not
• 44:04
  Speaker 3: have Emery's back. Like, well, Crystal, did you say that
• 44:07
  Speaker 3: about us? No, it fell flat.
• 44:10
  Speaker 1: And then they showed that clip where she said they
• 44:12
  Speaker 1: were uneducated.
• 44:13
  Speaker 3: Exactly.
• 44:15
  Speaker 1: And then Dorit got in a lot of trouble because
• 44:16
  Speaker 1: she's like, oh, please, uneducated, says the child bride. And
• 44:20
  Speaker 1: it's like, Crystal graduated from UC Irvine and got married
• 44:24
  Speaker 1: at 24, two years later. And has this whole company.
• 44:28
  Speaker 1: You know that Crystal has a whole company? line of
• 44:30
  Speaker 1: coconut water.
• 44:31
  Speaker 3: Why are we saying that?
• 44:32
  Speaker 1: They won't let her because they want to keep this
• 44:35
  Speaker 1: idea that she is just like this chick that married
• 44:38
  Speaker 1: this rich producer.
• 44:41
  Speaker 3: I know more about her brother and his situation.
• 44:46
  Speaker 1: I had Guy Branum, who's hilarious. He wrote me and
• 44:49
  Speaker 1: he goes, why does Crystal think we want to know
• 44:51
  Speaker 1: about her brother?
• 44:51
  Speaker 3: I don't care.
• 44:52
  Speaker 1: And I go, but listen, it's not Crystal pushing it.
• 44:54
  Speaker 1: It's them being like, okay, let's have a lunch with
• 44:57
  Speaker 1: your brother. And she agrees. But no, nobody cares about
• 45:00
  Speaker 1: the brother.
• 45:01
  Speaker 3: Don't care.
• 45:01
  Speaker 1: Yeah, no one cares about the brother. And I really
• 45:04
  Speaker 1: like Crystal as a person. I think she's super nice
• 45:07
  Speaker 1: and normal. But yeah, if there's nothing.
• 45:10
  Speaker 3: Wait, she's normal?
• 45:11
  Speaker 1: She's very normal. She's probably too normal. She's probably just
• 45:14
  Speaker 1: too normal, you know what I mean? For the show. Yeah.
• 45:17
  Speaker 1: But I think... But she's delightful. And she is fun.
• 45:20
  Speaker 3: I love that. I love that. I would love to
• 45:22
  Speaker 3: see her PTA meetings.
• 45:23
  Speaker 1: Let's ask about... Wait, the Denise Richards, did you see
• 45:27
  Speaker 1: that the herbal chef, the pot chef, or whatever you
• 45:31
  Speaker 1: want to call it, the weed chef, went after her
• 45:34
  Speaker 1: because she is now backtracking on her behavior with her
• 45:38
  Speaker 1: upside down pink coat and her.
• 45:42
  Speaker 6: You know what you said, that she said that she
• 45:49
  Speaker 6: must have had too much of that food and that
• 45:52
  Speaker 6: made her that way.
• 45:53
  Speaker 3: Oh, girl.
• 45:53
  Speaker 1: And he was like, Absolutely not. Like you came wasted,
• 45:58
  Speaker 1: which we, we, we know it was an hour drive
• 46:00
  Speaker 1: from Malibu to Encino. She had whatever it was. She
• 46:04
  Speaker 1: took a gummy in the car. She had a drink
• 46:06
  Speaker 1: on the way. She had something. And then, um, and
• 46:11
  Speaker 1: then he's like, and the whole thing of doing this
• 46:13
  Speaker 1: is like, we are not going to get people to
• 46:16
  Speaker 1: the point where they don't know what's going on. It's
• 46:19
  Speaker 1: how much weed you want, the food, the drops or
• 46:20
  Speaker 1: whatever you're supposed to experience nicely. So he was coming
• 46:23
  Speaker 1: after her. But, I mean, you also can't blame someone for,
• 46:27
  Speaker 1: you know, you can't blame for someone who then wants to, like,
• 46:31
  Speaker 1: kind of lie about it and be like, I don't
• 46:32
  Speaker 1: know how I turned out that way. I don't know
• 46:34
  Speaker 1: if it was the cocktail or the weed food, but, like,
• 46:38
  Speaker 1: I mean, why does she have to say what happened? Listen.
• 46:42
  Speaker 1: Is she in a court of law? Like, I'm just saying, like,
• 46:44
  Speaker 1: I don't totally blame a mother who was wasted for going, like,
• 46:50
  Speaker 1: I don't know.
• 46:51
  Speaker 3: I think if she would have owned it.
• 46:53
  Speaker 5: You're right.
• 46:54
  Speaker 1: I mean, she should have, but I'm also saying I
• 46:56
  Speaker 1: recognize why she didn't own it.
• 46:57
  Speaker 3: But I feel like this is the reason why.
• 46:59
  Speaker 1: It could have been funny if she was like, all right,
• 47:01
  Speaker 1: I'm going to tell you what happened. I had that
• 47:02
  Speaker 1: Casamigos in a cup the whole ride over. I was
• 47:07
  Speaker 1: fucking wasted, and I was nervous as shit, and I
• 47:10
  Speaker 1: got drunk.
• 47:11
  Speaker 3: That's it. I haven't been on this show in two years.
• 47:15
  Speaker 3: I got to confront Erika Jay. She's a huge bitch.
• 47:19
  Speaker 3: I needed some truth serum. I threw it back. Camille's
• 47:24
  Speaker 3: ass was not going to drink anything because she has
• 47:26
  Speaker 3: to be a fucking alert. I got to ride in
• 47:28
  Speaker 3: the car with her. I'm bored. I threw another one back.
• 47:33
  Speaker 3: So I came in wasted. How many moms got wasted
• 47:36
  Speaker 3: during the week when they had a mommy night out?
• 47:38
  Speaker 3: I'm not the only one. And I think we all
• 47:40
  Speaker 3: would have said, well, yeah, bitch, go ahead.
• 47:42
  Speaker 1: Right.
• 47:43
  Speaker 3: But like to blame the weed.
• 47:45
  Speaker 1: Yeah, that was not cool. And I'm glad that he
• 47:47
  Speaker 1: called her out because that is his business.
• 47:49
  Speaker 2: Yeah.
• 47:50
  Speaker 1: And a lot of people, you know, probably want to
• 47:51
  Speaker 1: hire him and have that experience. And so he was like,
• 47:54
  Speaker 1: fuck that. Now, what do you think about the lawsuit
• 47:57
  Speaker 1: of Caroline Manzo suing Bravo? Brandi Glanville as the perpetrator.
• 48:05
  Speaker 1: And Brandy's like, please, why won't this air?
• 48:08
  Speaker 3: It will never see the light of day at this point.
• 48:10
  Speaker 1: That's what I said. It'll never see the light of day.
• 48:12
  Speaker 3: Brandy Glanville, sorry, boo-boo. It's never going to air.
• 48:15
  Speaker 1: I feel bad for the Gretchen Rossies of the world.
• 48:18
  Speaker 1: And wasn't Camille?
• 48:20
  Speaker 3: And Alex McCord.
• 48:22
  Speaker 1: First of all, I want to see it. But also,
• 48:24
  Speaker 1: this would have been their entree back in two. They
• 48:27
  Speaker 1: should give them a do-over. They absolutely should do another
• 48:30
  Speaker 1: show and have them all back on.
• 48:31
  Speaker 3: When you read the fine print, because you know. I
• 48:36
  Speaker 3: read some of the court documents.
• 48:38
  Speaker 1: I read all the court documents. It wasn't fine. I
• 48:41
  Speaker 1: read every little step of it.
• 48:44
  Speaker 3: It was very detailed.
• 48:46
  Speaker 1: Yes.
• 48:47
  Speaker 3: Disturbing.
• 48:48
  Speaker 1: Yes.
• 48:49
  Speaker 3: Sad.
• 48:49
  Speaker 2: Yeah.
• 48:52
  Speaker 3: I feel, listen, I worked on New Jersey Housewives. So
• 48:55
  Speaker 3: I know Caroline Manzo on a personal level. What I
• 48:58
  Speaker 3: can say to the world about Caroline Manzo is, In
• 49:03
  Speaker 3: real life, she's very conservative. And I don't mean her
• 49:06
  Speaker 3: views in politics.
• 49:07
  Speaker 1: Okay, yeah.
• 49:08
  Speaker 3: I mean like as a woman. Married woman, yeah. She's
• 49:11
  Speaker 3: always been very, very conservative. We didn't cuss around her,
• 49:18
  Speaker 3: make any jokes because... not that she was approved she
• 49:22
  Speaker 3: was fun but she had boundaries and she would say
• 49:26
  Speaker 3: to us like I'm not them in the sense of
• 49:29
  Speaker 3: like you guys can joke about that stuff around like
• 49:31
  Speaker 3: a Teresa Jacqueline but like That's not me. You know,
• 49:35
  Speaker 3: she always understood, like, this is who I am. Accept
• 49:39
  Speaker 3: me or don't. And I so happened to accept her
• 49:43
  Speaker 3: as she is. To read what Brandi allegedly did in
• 49:48
  Speaker 3: terms of, like, the groping and the hand fondling and
• 49:51
  Speaker 3: all that stuff, my heart bled for Caroline because I
• 49:59
  Speaker 3: know what type of woman she is in terms of
• 50:02
  Speaker 3: being conservative. But also know that if something like that
• 50:07
  Speaker 3: is happening to you, you're sort of confused. To me, like,
• 50:14
  Speaker 3: what's happening? I'm on a show. You know, what's going on?
• 50:18
  Speaker 3: And I also read or was told, or both, that
• 50:22
  Speaker 3: at the time it happened, they allegedly approached Caroline and said,
• 50:28
  Speaker 3: what do you want to do? Do you want her
• 50:30
  Speaker 3: to leave? And that she allegedly said, don't put that
• 50:32
  Speaker 3: on me. Like, I'm not going to be the person
• 50:35
  Speaker 3: to tell you guys how to do your job.
• 50:37
  Speaker 1: Oh, that's interesting.
• 50:38
  Speaker 3: Yeah. So I saw that to say, it's bad. It's
• 50:42
  Speaker 3: really bad. I feel bad for Caroline. I did think
• 50:46
  Speaker 3: it was interesting that Brandy's name isn't listed as the
• 50:50
  Speaker 3: person she wants to sue, which a part of me
• 50:53
  Speaker 3: felt like, okay, maybe because she knows that Brandy's a
• 50:58
  Speaker 3: single mom and doesn't want to take her money. or
• 51:02
  Speaker 3: feels like, based on what I read, that because they
• 51:05
  Speaker 3: were provided with alcohol and Brandi's alleging that she was,
• 51:10
  Speaker 3: you know, that this is what she does, that she
• 51:12
  Speaker 3: doesn't have the responsibility. But I think overall, it's sad.
• 51:17
  Speaker 1: I think it's like if your kid got attacked in
• 51:19
  Speaker 1: a classroom by another kid and you don't sue the kid,
• 51:24
  Speaker 1: you sue the school district and, you know, the principal
• 51:29
  Speaker 1: and the whatever because you're like, you provided the environment
• 51:33
  Speaker 1: and this kid is a kid. Yeah. So I'm not
• 51:36
  Speaker 1: going to go after someone that was at my level
• 51:39
  Speaker 1: like that. But I also think, have you heard this
• 51:44
  Speaker 1: theory that possibly rumored allegedly there was conversation as they
• 51:52
  Speaker 1: always do. They talk about their lives when they get
• 51:54
  Speaker 1: together on these trips about Dina Manzo and her brother-in-law,
• 52:01
  Speaker 1: who was married to, sorry, Caroline's brother-in-law was married to
• 52:07
  Speaker 1: Dina Manzo. And Dina Manzo was attacked in her home,
• 52:13
  Speaker 1: and they believe that her brother-in-law, so Dina and Caroline
• 52:18
  Speaker 1: were both married to two people that were brothers. Dina
• 52:22
  Speaker 1: got divorced, and that man, who was still Caroline's brother-in-law,
• 52:26
  Speaker 1: still part of her family, He was accused of setting
• 52:30
  Speaker 1: up the physical attack, which is like these people like
• 52:33
  Speaker 1: beat their faces. And in his defense, he had Caroline
• 52:39
  Speaker 1: Manzo write a character letter. Yet her blood sister was
• 52:46
  Speaker 1: the victim and was the former wife of this guy.
• 52:50
  Speaker 1: And my question is, was any of that discussed? In Morocco.
• 52:57
  Speaker 1: And in reflecting back on the whole experience, she's like
• 53:02
  Speaker 1: maybe not happy with how she explained it or talked
• 53:04
  Speaker 1: about it or just don't want people to remember it
• 53:06
  Speaker 1: because I kind of forgot about it. Let me sue
• 53:13
  Speaker 1: for this, which was awful and I hated it, but
• 53:16
  Speaker 1: let me sue, burn the bridge, and make sure this
• 53:18
  Speaker 1: thing never airs because they have that footage.
• 53:21
  Speaker 3: Oh, I never heard that. What do you think?
• 53:25
  Speaker 1: I think it's possible. I think, I think the goal
• 53:29
  Speaker 1: is to have this never air. I think the goal
• 53:32
  Speaker 1: is to get paid. Why not? And I know that
• 53:34
  Speaker 1: she wanted to, I know before she was saying to people, Oh,
• 53:38
  Speaker 1: I won't do ultimate girls trip until I get 300 K.
• 53:41
  Speaker 3: That was the number.
• 53:42
  Speaker 1: That was the number that someone allegedly told me. And
• 53:46
  Speaker 1: I don't know if she got it or I don't
• 53:48
  Speaker 1: know if she got close. I don't know if two
• 53:49
  Speaker 1: 50 was close enough. Cause I think that's what everybody
• 53:52
  Speaker 1: got the last, uh, shrimp was $ 2. 50 a week. So
• 53:56
  Speaker 1: maybe $ 2. 50 was close enough because they want to keep
• 53:58
  Speaker 1: it favored nations or not. Maybe they don't do favored nations.
• 54:01
  Speaker 1: I don't know. And so I think that it was
• 54:04
  Speaker 1: kind of like a win-win kind of a situation. But
• 54:07
  Speaker 1: I do think she was pissed. I do think she
• 54:09
  Speaker 1: was fucked. She didn't want it or enjoy it. I
• 54:13
  Speaker 1: also think if we saw the video, which is what
• 54:17
  Speaker 1: Bran is asking for, it could be more playful. How
• 54:20
  Speaker 1: many times have we seen housewives go, ooh, with each
• 54:23
  Speaker 1: other's boobs and slap each other's butts and let's see
• 54:28
  Speaker 1: you guys make out. So when people say, oh, if
• 54:30
  Speaker 1: this was a man, it's not a man though. It's
• 54:33
  Speaker 1: not a man. And yes, it is violating and everything,
• 54:37
  Speaker 1: but it's not a man that did this. And it
• 54:40
  Speaker 1: could have been in a more playful way, but then
• 54:43
  Speaker 1: continued on and then they didn't stop it. So I
• 54:47
  Speaker 1: think two things can be at the same time. I
• 54:51
  Speaker 1: think this happened They were in the wrong not to
• 54:53
  Speaker 1: stop it. And they should have cared more. And I
• 54:58
  Speaker 1: think Brandy also gets hired to be this person. And
• 55:02
  Speaker 1: they knew what they were getting. And I also think
• 55:05
  Speaker 1: she doesn't want this to air because I think she
• 55:06
  Speaker 1: talked about other shit.
• 55:08
  Speaker 3: Do you think Brandy would ever work in this town again?
• 55:12
  Speaker 1: Well, she's gone through a lot of trauma because of it.
• 55:15
  Speaker 1: She feels apparently she has lost a lot of jobs.
• 55:20
  Speaker 1: And I think this is fairly bad because she did
• 55:24
  Speaker 1: get cast in a lot of things in between. A
• 55:27
  Speaker 1: lot of Big Brother Europe and whatever, traitors or villains,
• 55:31
  Speaker 1: I don't know. She's been on all those type of shows.
• 55:34
  Speaker 1: And she's good on them. So that's unfortunate if this
• 55:37
  Speaker 1: now stops it. I mean, I think the only thing,
• 55:43
  Speaker 1: if I was Brandy and I wanted to try to
• 55:45
  Speaker 1: get another job, I think I would have to give
• 55:48
  Speaker 1: up alcohol. to say this will never happen again. I
• 55:54
  Speaker 1: still stand by that I wasn't doing something malicious that
• 55:57
  Speaker 1: wasn't encouraged by whatever she wants to say. But I
• 56:00
  Speaker 1: think the only way that she can get more jobs
• 56:02
  Speaker 1: is just being a clever, funny girl that she is,
• 56:05
  Speaker 1: who's pretty, is to be sober.
• 56:08
  Speaker 2: Yeah.
• 56:09
  Speaker 1: Yeah.
• 56:09
  Speaker 3: Not a bad idea.
• 56:10
  Speaker 1: I mean, can't hurt you, but you'll miss it. But
• 56:15
  Speaker 1: I think she could, I mean, you know, she's done
• 56:16
  Speaker 1: a podcast for years. She can be funny. Like you don't,
• 56:19
  Speaker 1: she can be, clever and stuff without alcohol. But that's
• 56:23
  Speaker 1: the only way I think if you want to stay
• 56:25
  Speaker 1: getting shows. But then maybe that nobody would want her.
• 56:30
  Speaker 1: I don't know. But definitely Bravo's not going to hire
• 56:32
  Speaker 1: her again. So she's got to.
• 56:33
  Speaker 3: Figure out what's going to do. I think she knows that.
• 56:37
  Speaker 1: So I think to save her reputation, that's what she
• 56:41
  Speaker 1: has to do. But I kind of feel badly for her. Okay,
• 56:44
  Speaker 1: so we didn't know if this was true, but it's true.
• 56:49
  Speaker 1: Andrew Hsu... And Marilee, who this is Amy Robach and
• 56:54
  Speaker 1: TJ Holmes exes are dating. They were seen in an
• 56:57
  Speaker 1: airport together. It's for sure on.
• 57:01
  Speaker 3: This is weird. It's very housewives of Salt Lake City
• 57:07
  Speaker 3: in terms of two exes dating.
• 57:13
  Speaker 1: You mean O.C.? O.C.
• 57:16
  Speaker 3: Oh, see, yes.
• 57:17
  Speaker 1: With Shannon Bedore's ex, John Jansen, dating Alexis Bellino.
• 57:23
  Speaker 3: Yes.
• 57:24
  Speaker 1: And allegedly, Alexis Bellino and Jim Jansen allegedly reached out
• 57:29
  Speaker 1: to David Bedore and his new wife, Leslie, and said,
• 57:33
  Speaker 1: would you like to join us on a fun boat afternoon?
• 57:36
  Speaker 3: Alexis is going for the motherfucking taking.
• 57:40
  Speaker 1: But I could see Alexis and Leslie really hitting it off.
• 57:44
  Speaker 1: They have a common... thing and I'm and wouldn't and
• 57:48
  Speaker 1: I mean I don't think that the producer what could
• 57:52
  Speaker 1: get you harder Carlos if you were producing Real Housewives
• 57:56
  Speaker 1: of OC if David and if David and Leslie just
• 58:01
  Speaker 1: I mean it's so cruel to Shannon but if David
• 58:03
  Speaker 1: and Leslie Bedore wanted to come on the show do
• 58:07
  Speaker 1: it do it don't you think they've been approached absolutely Absolutely.
• 58:14
  Speaker 3: This is the thing. OC is back in this great era.
• 58:19
  Speaker 3: Thank you, Tamara Judge. It's so fucking good. Last season
• 58:24
  Speaker 3: was tense across the board. Tamara came in, set it off.
• 58:28
  Speaker 3: The thing with Shannon that I always struggled with, and listen,
• 58:31
  Speaker 3: I think she's a nice woman, whatever. I've always struggled
• 58:34
  Speaker 3: with The lack of honesty she gives to the show
• 58:38
  Speaker 3: and her story. Like, you're not over David. You still
• 58:41
  Speaker 3: want David. You're not into John. I believe all those
• 58:44
  Speaker 3: stories that Heather, Emily, Gina, and Tamara said about you
• 58:49
  Speaker 3: when it comes to John.
• 58:51
  Speaker 1: Telling on herself.
• 58:52
  Speaker 3: Yeah, like.
• 58:53
  Speaker 1: And bitching about him on the phone.
• 58:55
  Speaker 3: Yeah, like. You're still in love with David. And that's okay.
• 58:59
  Speaker 1: I don't think she's in love with David.
• 59:00
  Speaker 3: Oh, she is.
• 59:01
  Speaker 1: No, she's not.
• 59:02
  Speaker 3: Heather MacDonald.
• 59:04
  Speaker 1: No, she's not. I think she has moments where she
• 59:09
  Speaker 1: mourns the fact that she's not married to the guy
• 59:12
  Speaker 1: that is the father of her kids. And they went
• 59:15
  Speaker 1: from a six... Listen to this. They went from a
• 59:17
  Speaker 1: $ 16 million house before.
• 59:21
  Speaker 1: Someone called her from the real house as a VC.
• 59:23
  Speaker 1: Let's just think about this. She's living in a $ 16
• 59:25
  Speaker 1: million house that they built that I've been to that
• 59:28
  Speaker 1: was absolutely beautiful. Had the kids' tea room and my
• 59:32
  Speaker 1: kids hung out there. It was stunning. The basketball court, everything.
• 59:36
  Speaker 1: And they got to go to the SC games and
• 59:38
  Speaker 1: they were cute and everything. She goes on this show.
• 59:42
  Speaker 1: It gets exposed that he, you know, there was infidelity.
• 59:46
  Speaker 1: They do that to that funeral thing. What would you say?
• 59:51
  Speaker 1: I'm so sorry. They have the vow renewal and they
• 59:56
  Speaker 1: somehow make it work. They sell that house and then
• 1:00:00
  Speaker 1: they rent another house for like 20 grand a month. Okay?
• 1:00:05
  Speaker 1: Then the divorce is final. She goes into a rental
• 1:00:09
  Speaker 1: in a nice neighborhood. Then that neighborhood says, we don't
• 1:00:12
  Speaker 1: want you filming here. Now she's in another rental that's smaller. So,
• 1:00:19
  Speaker 1: I'm just saying when people say maybe women shouldn't work,
• 1:00:25
  Speaker 1: before she was working, she was in a $ 16 million house. Now, like,
• 1:00:31
  Speaker 1: and she's been working for five, six, whatever, seven years.
• 1:00:36
  Speaker 1: I'm just saying I think she mourns. And then the
• 1:00:38
  Speaker 1: other hand is like, oh, my God, I'm so much happier.
• 1:00:40
  Speaker 1: I wasn't in love, blah, blah, blah. But I think
• 1:00:42
  Speaker 1: there's times when people, women, mourn the fact– Like more
• 1:00:47
  Speaker 1: in the Christmas morning. The former life. Like all of it.
• 1:00:51
  Speaker 3: Not inclusive of him. It's just the former life.
• 1:00:53
  Speaker 1: No, just like having a plus one for everything. Even
• 1:00:57
  Speaker 1: if you kind of hate him, you got the husband.
• 1:01:00
  Speaker 1: You're not the single girl going. All of that. But
• 1:01:03
  Speaker 1: I think more than that, she loves being a star.
• 1:01:07
  Speaker 3: Loves it.
• 1:01:08
  Speaker 1: Loves it. I think she's totally addicted to the fame,
• 1:01:12
  Speaker 1: the lifestyle being recognized. And there are certain housewives that really, really...
• 1:01:16
  Speaker 1: Love it. And I don't think there's anything wrong with
• 1:01:18
  Speaker 1: loving it.
• 1:01:19
  Speaker 3: Nothing.
• 1:01:19
  Speaker 1: Approach me at a restaurant. I fucking love it. I
• 1:01:21
  Speaker 1: don't want it to ever go away.
• 1:01:23
  Speaker 3: Yes.
• 1:01:24
  Speaker 1: Um, yeah. Yes. And that's what I think.
• 1:01:27
  Speaker 3: I agree with that.
• 1:01:28
  Speaker 1: But I do not think she's in love with David. Okay.
• 1:01:30
  Speaker 3: I can't, I can't, I can't, I can't understand. Cause
• 1:01:34
  Speaker 3: there is, when I look at Shannon, I look at
• 1:01:37
  Speaker 3: a woman who isn't present. I look at a woman
• 1:01:42
  Speaker 3: who was stuck in the past. And in my opinion,
• 1:01:45
  Speaker 3: her alcohol, allegedly has to do with the mourning of something.
• 1:01:52
  Speaker 3: I always thought it was the mourning of David. Now
• 1:01:55
  Speaker 3: I understand what you mean when you say it's the
• 1:01:58
  Speaker 3: former life.
• 1:01:59
  Speaker 1: I think I disagree. I think that she is someone that,
• 1:02:03
  Speaker 1: and this is just my opinion.
• 1:02:05
  Speaker 3: Go ahead.
• 1:02:07
  Speaker 1: Because I come from that same world of, you know,
• 1:02:11
  Speaker 1: college drinking. Then now you go to the games as
• 1:02:15
  Speaker 1: adults and, I think that she's just always enjoyed her cocktails.
• 1:02:21
  Speaker 1: And as you get older, you have to pull it
• 1:02:26
  Speaker 1: back or you're going to find yourself having trouble. So
• 1:02:31
  Speaker 1: I don't think– I think the drinking just continued at
• 1:02:34
  Speaker 1: the level that it always was. But she just– as
• 1:02:38
  Speaker 1: an older person, your body just doesn't.
• 1:02:42
  Speaker 3: Respond to it like it used to.
• 1:02:43
  Speaker 1: Or it turns on a certain, like it turns on
• 1:02:45
  Speaker 1: a certain thing. Like your favorite drink could be one thing.
• 1:02:48
  Speaker 2: Yeah.
• 1:02:48
  Speaker 1: And then all of a sudden it just isn't working.
• 1:02:50
  Speaker 1: It was, that was your drink for 30 years. It's
• 1:02:52
  Speaker 1: just not working for you anymore. And then you're like, okay, well,
• 1:02:54
  Speaker 1: instead of giving up alcohol, I'll just switch to tequila.
• 1:02:58
  Speaker 3: Yeah.
• 1:02:58
  Speaker 1: It used to be vodka. I'll just switch to tequila.
• 1:03:01
  Speaker 1: That'll save me. You know? And like, I just kind
• 1:03:04
  Speaker 1: of think that was the, and I think John likes
• 1:03:07
  Speaker 1: to drink as well. So I think she found another
• 1:03:08
  Speaker 1: boyfriend who, And that was their thing. And that's a lot.
• 1:03:12
  Speaker 1: That's a lot of people. That's a lot of couples.
• 1:03:14
  Speaker 1: And it becomes very, that's your life. But I don't
• 1:03:18
  Speaker 1: think it's mourning David Bedore. I do not.
• 1:03:21
  Speaker 3: Okay.
• 1:03:22
  Speaker 2: Yeah.
• 1:03:22
  Speaker 3: I think it's mourning the Bedore lifestyle.
• 1:03:25
  Speaker 1: Okay.
• 1:03:25
  Speaker 3: Lifestyle.
• 1:03:26
  Speaker 1: The lifestyle. Family.
• 1:03:27
  Speaker 3: But Alexis.
• 1:03:28
  Speaker 1: And also now the girls are all gone.
• 1:03:30
  Speaker 3: Yes. And now she's like alone.
• 1:03:32
  Speaker 1: But she looks good. She looks good. She looks good.
• 1:03:34
  Speaker 1: I just saw her film. She looks good.
• 1:03:36
  Speaker 3: Oh, no, she looks great. And the thing is, I
• 1:03:38
  Speaker 3: think Shanna's great for the show. I'm happy Alexis is gorgeous.
• 1:03:43
  Speaker 3: Beautiful woman. I'm not mad at the fact that she
• 1:03:48
  Speaker 3: is back on this show becoming who we have no
• 1:03:53
  Speaker 3: idea she's about to become. Because remember, she was called
• 1:03:56
  Speaker 3: Jesus Jug. She loves God. And she was sort of.
• 1:04:00
  Speaker 1: Like, I don't really think she is that anymore, though.
• 1:04:03
  Speaker 3: But no, that's my point. She was that. So now
• 1:04:06
  Speaker 3: we get to see who she really is today.
• 1:04:09
  Speaker 1: And she was on before. And the other part is, hey,
• 1:04:12
  Speaker 1: I was on the show before you, Shannon. I'm just
• 1:04:15
  Speaker 1: saying devil's advocate. She's like, hey, I was on the
• 1:04:17
  Speaker 1: show before you, Shannon. I have every right to be here.
• 1:04:19
  Speaker 1: I have every right to make this coin. This guy
• 1:04:24
  Speaker 1: likes we like each other. You guys weren't getting along. Like,
• 1:04:28
  Speaker 1: that's probably going to be that, too. And the attitude
• 1:04:30
  Speaker 1: Shannon has to take is have him. Like she needs
• 1:04:36
  Speaker 1: to be like, have him. Enjoy yourself.
• 1:04:38
  Speaker 3: She won't though. She's on a spiral.
• 1:04:40
  Speaker 1: Hopefully she won't. Hopefully she'll stay for, I mean, it's
• 1:04:43
  Speaker 1: going to be very easy to poke and prod.
• 1:04:46
  Speaker 3: Shannon.
• 1:04:46
  Speaker 1: Yes.
• 1:04:46
  Speaker 3: It's the easiest thing in the world. And I'm going
• 1:04:49
  Speaker 3: to tell you.
• 1:04:49
  Speaker 1: So if she can stay unbothered. it will be the
• 1:04:55
  Speaker 1: greatest thing, but the producers won't be happy. Then they
• 1:04:58
  Speaker 1: might not ask her back.
• 1:04:58
  Speaker 3: Her name is really Shannon Botherdore. Like, she is always bothered.
• 1:05:04
  Speaker 3: Alexis is beautiful. Not saying Shannon isn't. Alexis, you saw
• 1:05:09
  Speaker 3: that shot of her on set like yesterday with the
• 1:05:12
  Speaker 3: pink number?
• 1:05:13
  Speaker 1: Yeah.
• 1:05:14
  Speaker 3: I mean, Heather McDonald, we're talking about a fucking bombshell.
• 1:05:17
  Speaker 1: God, you were, oh, right. I think she's attractive, but
• 1:05:22
  Speaker 1: I think I think Shannon is very pretty, too. Now,
• 1:05:26
  Speaker 1: she's older, but she looks really good.
• 1:05:28
  Speaker 3: No, she does, but she's no Alexis Bellino. All right. Jesus. Honey.
• 1:05:32
  Speaker 1: I know, you're so horny. She's going to turn you straight. Wait,
• 1:05:36
  Speaker 1: I have to tell you about TJ Holmes and Amy Robach.
• 1:05:44
  Speaker 3: I'm with that reality show, by the way.
• 1:05:47
  Speaker 1: Oh, do you? Oh. You can probably get it.
• 1:05:49
  Speaker 3: Would you watch?
• 1:05:50
  Speaker 1: Well, yeah. And guess what? She doesn't like doing podcasting.
• 1:05:54
  Speaker 3: Who?
• 1:05:55
  Speaker 1: Amy.
• 1:05:56
  Speaker 3: What did she say?
• 1:05:57
  Speaker 1: Well, welcome to my world, bitch. Yeah.
• 1:06:01
  Speaker 3: It ain't easy.
• 1:06:02
  Speaker 1: She's like, I never had to stress so much. This
• 1:06:05
  Speaker 1: was in her podcast with him about content, ratings, booking people. Like,
• 1:06:10
  Speaker 1: I miss my TV career. And- And then they work together,
• 1:06:14
  Speaker 1: like coming up with like topics or whatever. And he
• 1:06:17
  Speaker 1: works quiet and she's like, he doesn't like me anymore.
• 1:06:21
  Speaker 1: And then he's like, I can't be worrying about touching
• 1:06:23
  Speaker 1: your back while I'm trying to work. And it was like,
• 1:06:26
  Speaker 1: I'm listening to this therapy session and I'm like, yeah,
• 1:06:30
  Speaker 1: it probably was more fun when you were both married
• 1:06:34
  Speaker 1: to other people and you were fucking in someone's dressing
• 1:06:37
  Speaker 1: room after doing the Good Morning America. And then you
• 1:06:40
  Speaker 1: went off and made lasagna for your husband and was
• 1:06:43
  Speaker 1: thinking about it. Like, yeah, it was probably more exciting
• 1:06:46
  Speaker 1: than now barking at each other about reading an ad. Yeah.
• 1:06:56
  Speaker 3: Because the ad reads, I'm a McDonald, ladies and gentlemen.
• 1:07:03
  Speaker 1: And I mean, it is so satisfying to take it
• 1:07:05
  Speaker 1: from somebody who works with her, has been working with
• 1:07:07
  Speaker 1: her husband for many years on a podcast for nine
• 1:07:10
  Speaker 1: years or eight and a half. Like, yeah, it's harder
• 1:07:14
  Speaker 1: than you think. It's harder than you think.
• 1:07:17
  Speaker 3: They're miserable.
• 1:07:18
  Speaker 1: They are miserable. And then he's like, you need to
• 1:07:21
  Speaker 1: come over here because we're not okay. And she's like, what?
• 1:07:24
  Speaker 1: And then they just turned on the microphones and then
• 1:07:27
  Speaker 1: they had an episode about it. She's crying. And he's like,
• 1:07:36
  Speaker 1: I'm totally confident that this is going to work out
• 1:07:38
  Speaker 1: because it has to. And I was like, well, that doesn't.
• 1:07:40
  Speaker 3: Sound great either. Wow, not it has to. She misses
• 1:07:43
  Speaker 3: her former life. Listen, this is no shade, and I'm
• 1:07:46
  Speaker 3: not judging.
• 1:07:46
  Speaker 1: Right.
• 1:07:47
  Speaker 3: I just know a lot about marriages because of what
• 1:07:50
  Speaker 3: I do for a living. Right. When you're having an affair,
• 1:07:53
  Speaker 3: I don't think what people understand is when married couples
• 1:07:57
  Speaker 3: are having an affair, it's the excitement of the affair.
• 1:08:02
  Speaker 3: It's the secret unknown. Do you know what I mean?
• 1:08:07
  Speaker 3: It's the, like you said, it's the lasagna being made
• 1:08:11
  Speaker 3: at home for your husband while you're thinking of getting
• 1:08:14
  Speaker 3: cooked by your mistress. Do you know what I mean?
• 1:08:16
  Speaker 1: Remember that scene? Do you ever see that movie Unfaithful?
• 1:08:18
  Speaker 1: Of course. And she's coming back. on the train after
• 1:08:24
  Speaker 1: fucking him before going to make the spaghetti that she burns.
• 1:08:28
  Speaker 1: And then she is smiling and laughing and then she
• 1:08:31
  Speaker 1: has to go to the bathroom and clean out her underwear.
• 1:08:33
  Speaker 3: Yes.
• 1:08:34
  Speaker 2: Yes.
• 1:08:35
  Speaker 3: Yes.
• 1:08:36
  Speaker 1: Yes. Because there's still some coming in.
• 1:08:38
  Speaker 3: Yes.
• 1:08:38
  Speaker 2: Yes.
• 1:08:40
  Speaker 3: But but no judgment heather that's fun it's the excitement
• 1:08:44
  Speaker 3: it's the thrill yeah and and listen you're on like
• 1:08:48
  Speaker 3: the number one morning show in america you get to
• 1:08:51
  Speaker 3: like hang out with michael strahan and robin roberts and
• 1:08:54
  Speaker 3: you get to do the third hour of GMA three.
• 1:08:57
  Speaker 1: And let's be, let's be honest that I've always said
• 1:09:00
  Speaker 1: a morning talk show where someone's giving you the cards.
• 1:09:03
  Speaker 1: It's not a hard job. No, it's not a hard job.
• 1:09:06
  Speaker 3: No shade.
• 1:09:07
  Speaker 1: You got to wake up early, but it's not a
• 1:09:08
  Speaker 1: hard job. And then you're done by like 11 and
• 1:09:11
  Speaker 1: you can have a big salad and And go work out.
• 1:09:14
  Speaker 3: Or a big penis during lunch.
• 1:09:15
  Speaker 1: Right, go have a big penis and a big salad after.
• 1:09:17
  Speaker 1: And then be back at your nice home in your
• 1:09:20
  Speaker 1: sweats by like three.
• 1:09:23
  Speaker 4: Yeah.
• 1:09:23
  Speaker 1: It's not that bad.
• 1:09:24
  Speaker 3: So they're both miserable because at the end of the day,
• 1:09:28
  Speaker 3: they're both career driven. And you have been reduced from
• 1:09:32
  Speaker 3: being on the number one show to reading. To being
• 1:09:35
  Speaker 3: on iHeart.
• 1:09:37
  Speaker 1: With every other housewife. And Rachel, and Raquel, she's on
• 1:09:41
  Speaker 1: iHeart too. I don't know.
• 1:09:48
  Speaker 3: Amy, run. Get back with Andrew from Mero's Place and
• 1:09:52
  Speaker 3: just say, I'm sorry.
• 1:09:54
  Speaker 1: He's dating TJ's wife.
• 1:09:56
  Speaker 3: This is, this is, this cannot, I'm not accepting this.
• 1:09:59
  Speaker 5: This is real.
• 1:10:00
  Speaker 1: It's real. They're on a trip together. It's real.
• 1:10:03
  Speaker 3: I cannot accept this.
• 1:10:04
  Speaker 1: Okay, we're going to wrap up in a little bit,
• 1:10:06
  Speaker 1: but tell me, Oh, honey. As you know, Monica got fired.
• 1:10:11
  Speaker 1: What would you have done if you were the producer
• 1:10:13
  Speaker 1: of Real Housewives of Salt Lake City?
• 1:10:14
  Speaker 3: I am the producer, the only one, along with my showrunner,
• 1:10:19
  Speaker 3: Linda Roloff, who worked on... No, I did season one.
• 1:10:23
  Speaker 3: So I'm the only producer who did two seasons. I
• 1:10:26
  Speaker 3: did seasons one and two of Jersey with Danielle Staub.
• 1:10:29
  Speaker 1: Okay.
• 1:10:31
  Speaker 3: I said this to you, to your face. Without Danielle Staub,
• 1:10:36
  Speaker 3: there would be no Real Housewives of New Jersey. Because
• 1:10:39
  Speaker 3: Teresa would not have flipped the table on Caroline Manzo.
• 1:10:42
  Speaker 3: Do you know what I mean? We had to bring
• 1:10:44
  Speaker 3: Danielle back season two. Why wouldn't we? We had to
• 1:10:49
  Speaker 3: show the audience, can this woman be able to make
• 1:10:55
  Speaker 3: amends with her friends? Let's watch the journey. And we
• 1:10:59
  Speaker 3: watched it. We watched Teresa chase her down the country club.
• 1:11:02
  Speaker 3: The thing with Monica Garcia, I'm fascinated by her. No
• 1:11:08
  Speaker 3: one was thinking about Salt Lake City. It was the
• 1:11:11
  Speaker 3: Real Housewives of Dallas of the franchise. It was the
• 1:11:14
  Speaker 3: forgotten child. You ladies are now the talk of the town.
• 1:11:19
  Speaker 3: Thanks to what Monica brought to the show. And yes,
• 1:11:22
  Speaker 3: you guys subsequently gave great content because of that. To
• 1:11:27
  Speaker 3: remove the person that made the entire universe of Housewives...
• 1:11:33
  Speaker 3: the most talked about franchise as of today, was stupid.
• 1:11:38
  Speaker 3: You need her. Let me see her try to make
• 1:11:41
  Speaker 3: amends with you that we did with Danielle. Before Danielle
• 1:11:43
  Speaker 3: got with the security guard Danny, the bodyguard, the Kim
• 1:11:47
  Speaker 3: G and the Kim Ds, the biggest mistake Danielle made
• 1:11:51
  Speaker 3: was she did not want to be friends with Teresa, Jacqueline,
• 1:11:56
  Speaker 3: and Caroline. And Danielle thought she was shooting a spinoff
• 1:12:00
  Speaker 3: of the Danielle show. And that's what made the network
• 1:12:04
  Speaker 3: not bring her back to season three. And rightfully so.
• 1:12:07
  Speaker 3: And Danielle will admit that today. I would have preferred
• 1:12:10
  Speaker 3: to see Monica attempt to do it. And if she failed,
• 1:12:14
  Speaker 3: so be it. But for us as the audience, Heather,
• 1:12:17
  Speaker 3: to be cheated by not seeing if she's able to
• 1:12:20
  Speaker 3: do that, I think was just a missing element to
• 1:12:24
  Speaker 3: what the show needed.
• 1:12:26
  Speaker 1: I think... if she was more humble in her being
• 1:12:32
  Speaker 1: found out, if she was like more, instead of being like, well,
• 1:12:37
  Speaker 1: look what you did, you're old and ugly or whatever. Like,
• 1:12:40
  Speaker 1: I think if she was like, look, you know, these
• 1:12:43
  Speaker 1: are the things I did, you know, it was towards
• 1:12:47
  Speaker 1: Jen Shah. And yes, I did repeat some things, but
• 1:12:50
  Speaker 1: I really wasn't going after you guys. And, um, yeah,
• 1:12:55
  Speaker 1: I wanted to be on the show. I think we
• 1:12:57
  Speaker 1: could work this out. Like, if she was like that,
• 1:12:58
  Speaker 1: but that's not who she is. She isn't, who she
• 1:13:02
  Speaker 1: is is who we saw. I said this before, but
• 1:13:05
  Speaker 1: I think it's not just about the reality of Montice.
• 1:13:09
  Speaker 1: I think it's that she put cameras in Jen Shaw's
• 1:13:14
  Speaker 1: house and they were going to her phone. And she
• 1:13:17
  Speaker 1: was privy to a woman's life that was not part
• 1:13:21
  Speaker 1: of Bravo's that could have been fights with her husband,
• 1:13:25
  Speaker 1: talking to her boys. And I just don't, I think
• 1:13:28
  Speaker 1: that is what made Bravo say, we can't have you.
• 1:13:31
  Speaker 1: I think if that camera thing hadn't happened when she
• 1:13:34
  Speaker 1: was the quote unquote, the assistant, and if it was
• 1:13:36
  Speaker 1: just reality Bontese, I think they would have tried to
• 1:13:38
  Speaker 1: keep her and maybe brought a friend of hers on
• 1:13:42
  Speaker 1: somehow because the only friend can't be Mary, you know?
• 1:13:47
  Speaker 1: And at that point, I mean, it was five against one.
• 1:13:50
  Speaker 3: Yeah.
• 1:13:50
  Speaker 1: So what do you do when it's five against one?
• 1:13:53
  Speaker 3: I think there's some truth to the cameras in the house,
• 1:13:57
  Speaker 3: but I want to go further with you from what
• 1:13:59
  Speaker 3: I heard.
• 1:14:00
  Speaker 1: Okay, tell.
• 1:14:00
  Speaker 3: I heard that Monica, because of those cameras in the house,
• 1:14:08
  Speaker 3: is privy to some information that could ruin Heather. And
• 1:14:15
  Speaker 3: that the reason why Heather, who conveniently... And you guys,
• 1:14:22
  Speaker 3: this is a reality TV producer. We all know that
• 1:14:26
  Speaker 3: the two most important episodes of any reality season is what, Heather?
• 1:14:31
  Speaker 3: The season premiere and the season finale. Those are the
• 1:14:35
  Speaker 3: two most important episodes of any season. How convenient, Heather,
• 1:14:40
  Speaker 3: that all of a sudden you and your hairstylist and
• 1:14:43
  Speaker 3: her curling iron found all this information about Monica on
• 1:14:50
  Speaker 3: the Bermuda trip that was going to be your finale.
• 1:14:54
  Speaker 3: And that you just so happened to stumble upon all
• 1:14:57
  Speaker 3: this information. And when you guys recreated that big little
• 1:15:01
  Speaker 3: lie scene where Meredith played the role of Nicole Kidman, okay?
• 1:15:06
  Speaker 3: And Whitney was Reese Witherspoon. Okay? When you guys reenacted
• 1:15:12
  Speaker 3: big little lies, we have a traitor amongst us. And
• 1:15:15
  Speaker 3: all the ladies, oh my gosh, I'm shaking. What's going
• 1:15:17
  Speaker 3: on here? Oh my gosh. Heather was trying to make
• 1:15:22
  Speaker 3: sure that she gave the girls all this information and
• 1:15:28
  Speaker 3: to get Monica out of there. Because this is what
• 1:15:30
  Speaker 3: I know as a producer. If you confront a housewife
• 1:15:35
  Speaker 3: with information without having the alliance of your other co-stars...
• 1:15:43
  Speaker 3: you are going to look crazy if no one has
• 1:15:46
  Speaker 3: your back. It was very important that Heather had the
• 1:15:49
  Speaker 3: backings of her co-stars. So that when Monica, to me,
• 1:15:53
  Speaker 3: who sat there cool as a cucumber, yeah, she said
• 1:15:56
  Speaker 3: crazy things about Lisa, right? But it was important that Heather...
• 1:16:01
  Speaker 3: made sure that she had all these women on her side.
• 1:16:04
  Speaker 3: And when she said, you can leave, you can go,
• 1:16:06
  Speaker 3: I'm more disturbed that Heather got away with lying on production.
• 1:16:10
  Speaker 3: You and I both know what it's like to be
• 1:16:12
  Speaker 3: behind the scenes, doing all the work, working late night hours.
• 1:16:16
  Speaker 3: The fact that an investigation was launched to production because
• 1:16:20
  Speaker 3: she thought they may have punched her in the eye
• 1:16:24
  Speaker 3: or hid footage is more disturbing to me as a
• 1:16:27
  Speaker 3: producer than Then Monica having a fake blog or a
• 1:16:30
  Speaker 3: blog or whatever. And yes, I agree with you. The
• 1:16:33
  Speaker 3: tapping of the house is not good. And I do
• 1:16:36
  Speaker 3: agree with that. And I do agree that at the reunion,
• 1:16:39
  Speaker 3: I would have love for Monica to say, I'm sorry.
• 1:16:43
  Speaker 3: It shouldn't have happened. The one thing I want you
• 1:16:46
  Speaker 3: guys to realize, I would like to earn your trust.
• 1:16:49
  Speaker 3: It may take some time, but I will give you
• 1:16:51
  Speaker 3: ladies all the time in the world. That's it.
• 1:16:54
  Speaker 1: But that just isn't who she is. Even if someone
• 1:16:59
  Speaker 1: gave her that advice. That's just not who she is.
• 1:17:02
  Speaker 1: And we want people to be real. Listen, I think
• 1:17:06
  Speaker 1: she's got a big future in reality TV. And I
• 1:17:10
  Speaker 1: wouldn't be surprised if they bring her back.
• 1:17:12
  Speaker 3: Mid-season for sure.
• 1:17:13
  Speaker 1: Or in some other situation or in Ultimate Girls, One
• 1:17:17
  Speaker 1: Hit Wonders. I don't know. But I think that she
• 1:17:20
  Speaker 1: will do just fine in life as far as being
• 1:17:24
  Speaker 1: cast in other things. And maybe they'll bring her back
• 1:17:27
  Speaker 1: on Bravo. And so I think what she's doing is
• 1:17:31
  Speaker 1: correct to just being like, she was on the red
• 1:17:33
  Speaker 1: carpet of something and they said, how do you feel
• 1:17:35
  Speaker 1: about you not being asked back? She's like, I think
• 1:17:37
  Speaker 1: it was the right decision. And then she's like, no,
• 1:17:40
  Speaker 1: I don't. Of course I want to come back. But
• 1:17:42
  Speaker 1: she's not attacking them. She's not throwing producers under a bus.
• 1:17:47
  Speaker 1: Not really. I mean, she kind of lied and said
• 1:17:50
  Speaker 1: they knew. But then she sort of shut up about it.
• 1:17:53
  Speaker 3: No, but then sources said that possibly the casting producer knew.
• 1:17:58
  Speaker 2: Yes. Yeah.
• 1:18:00
  Speaker 3: Right.
• 1:18:01
  Speaker 1: Yes.
• 1:18:03
  Speaker 3: Right. I want her back, Heather. I want to come
• 1:18:05
  Speaker 3: back on the show next season because this was the
• 1:18:09
  Speaker 3: best season of Salt Lake City by far.
• 1:18:14
  Speaker 1: No, I did. I really loved it. And I do,
• 1:18:16
  Speaker 1: I do like Heather Gay. I, I still, I complain
• 1:18:19
  Speaker 1: that we still don't know what happened with the eye.
• 1:18:21
  Speaker 1: I don't know if she's saving it for her next book.
• 1:18:24
  Speaker 1: If I'll ever find out when I meet her, when
• 1:18:26
  Speaker 1: I take my son to look at University of Utah
• 1:18:28
  Speaker 1: and she tells me after a cocktail, because she says
• 1:18:32
  Speaker 1: it was her, but she never says like what happened. Like,
• 1:18:36
  Speaker 1: We were messing around. We were wasted. I put a
• 1:18:39
  Speaker 1: little ice on it. I did not think it would
• 1:18:40
  Speaker 1: blow up like that. But yes. Or she did get
• 1:18:44
  Speaker 1: mad at me and it was a deliberate hit in
• 1:18:46
  Speaker 1: my eye. Like, we still don't know. Were they messing around?
• 1:18:49
  Speaker 1: It was a mistake. It was a mistake. it really
• 1:18:50
  Speaker 1: was you know at the hands of Jen I don't
• 1:18:54
  Speaker 1: know but yeah but saying it on the book tour
• 1:18:58
  Speaker 1: joking that it was a producer that was wrong but
• 1:19:01
  Speaker 1: it was on the book tour it was without the
• 1:19:04
  Speaker 1: cameras there it was on her own time but.
• 1:19:07
  Speaker 3: They had an investigation allegedly.
• 1:19:09
  Speaker 1: Oh okay.
• 1:19:11
  Speaker 3: Because she kept saying it. Right.
• 1:19:14
  Speaker 1: Well, yeah.
• 1:19:15
  Speaker 3: To sell a book. And to protect.
• 1:19:19
  Speaker 1: But it wasn't even in the book.
• 1:19:21
  Speaker 2: No, no.
• 1:19:22
  Speaker 3: She was using it on her press tour to gain interest.
• 1:19:27
  Speaker 3: I was told that, speaking of someone who loves the fame,
• 1:19:36
  Speaker 3: Heather Gay is the one you need to watch out for.
• 1:19:39
  Speaker 1: Oh, I know she loves the fame because I went
• 1:19:41
  Speaker 1: out with her and she couldn't believe that people recognized
• 1:19:46
  Speaker 1: me and not her because I had somebody come up
• 1:19:50
  Speaker 1: about white chicks or something and another person about Chelsea
• 1:19:52
  Speaker 1: Lately and another person about Juicy Scoop. And it didn't
• 1:19:56
  Speaker 1: bother me at all because I've been hanging out with
• 1:19:59
  Speaker 1: Real Housewives of the Wild for like 15 years and
• 1:20:03
  Speaker 1: it doesn't– I get it. I get it.
• 1:20:07
  Speaker 3: What did she say to you?
• 1:20:08
  Speaker 1: She was really nice. She just was like, oh, my God,
• 1:20:11
  Speaker 1: I can't believe they recognize you and not me. She
• 1:20:13
  Speaker 1: said that?
• 1:20:14
  Speaker 3: Yes.
• 1:20:15
  Speaker 1: And I was like, it doesn't bother me. I like her.
• 1:20:18
  Speaker 1: I really like her. But I think in Salt Lake City,
• 1:20:22
  Speaker 1: I don't think she'd ever hung out. We were in
• 1:20:25
  Speaker 1: Park City. I don't think she'd ever hung out with
• 1:20:28
  Speaker 1: someone other than someone in her cast that might get recognized.
• 1:20:31
  Speaker 1: So in her defense, that was it. But I was like, hey, look,
• 1:20:34
  Speaker 1: I know. I know. And my one friend goes, doesn't
• 1:20:39
  Speaker 1: that bother you? I go, no, it doesn't bother me.
• 1:20:41
  Speaker 1: I mean, that's why I find these women fascinating. Because
• 1:20:44
  Speaker 1: they became so much more famous than me within like
• 1:20:47
  Speaker 1: a year. That took me like 30 years to get to.
• 1:20:51
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• 1:20:59
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• 1:21:02
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• 1:21:05
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