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Yung Miami Talks Growth, Loyalty, Diddy Support, JT, Caresha Please, New Music + More · The Breakfast Club

• 0:01
  Speaker 1: Hmmm ready, Krisha.
• 0:07
  Speaker 2: Charlamagne, How you feeling? I feel good? How you feeling?
• 0:09
  Speaker 3: I'm blessed Black and Holly favorite man. I'm happy to see.
• 0:12
  Speaker 3: I've been wanting to argue with you for so long.
• 0:13
  Speaker 2: I don't want to argue. I don't want to argue
• 0:16
  Speaker 2: with you. It's you know, I always say you one
• 0:19
  Speaker 2: of my favorites.
• 0:19
  Speaker 1: I appreciate you.
• 0:20
  Speaker 2: I already look up to you, I already do like
• 0:22
  Speaker 2: I just feel like you are a straightforward person and
• 0:27
  Speaker 2: you tell it how it is and it comes from
• 0:29
  Speaker 2: a mature face. I appreciate You're gonna say how you feel,
• 0:32
  Speaker 2: and that's what it is. It ain't. It ain't because
• 0:34
  Speaker 2: it's you feel a way like. If you like, you
• 0:36
  Speaker 2: like it. If you don't, you don't. Absolutely I respect that.
• 0:38
  Speaker 3: I respect you too. You know I fuck with you.
• 0:40
  Speaker 3: But I heard you say that you would. You said
• 0:41
  Speaker 3: you said that a man needs a net worth of
• 0:43
  Speaker 3: one hundred million dollars.
• 0:49
  Speaker 2: And I know you're married your stuff. I'm just said
• 0:51
  Speaker 2: you worked to that point. You know how good you
• 0:53
  Speaker 2: feel you're talking about Okay.
• 0:56
  Speaker 3: I'm just saying, you know, less than one thousand of
• 1:00
  Speaker 3: one of people reached that type of networth.
• 1:03
  Speaker 2: I know, and I mean you a hard working man
• 1:06
  Speaker 2: if you got and I want me a hard working man.
• 1:08
  Speaker 1: What does it have to be? You didn't mean a hundred.
• 1:10
  Speaker 2: Though, I didn't mean it literally, but I would love
• 1:13
  Speaker 2: for him to have at least But that don't mean nothing.
• 1:15
  Speaker 2: Money don't mean everything, you know, But I'm just saying, like,
• 1:19
  Speaker 2: I know, I said a lot of shit, but I
• 1:21
  Speaker 2: did mean it though.
• 1:23
  Speaker 3: Could you date a regular dude though, like just you
• 1:25
  Speaker 3: died in Miami. Dude work at faedex, he got benefit
• 1:29
  Speaker 3: God damn.
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  Speaker 2: And not even just that. I just I like what
• 1:32
  Speaker 2: I like. I just I think that I'm like, you know,
• 1:34
  Speaker 2: I'm into nice things and not saying that a man
• 1:36
  Speaker 2: at work a job can't give me nice things. But
• 1:38
  Speaker 2: I think I want to date somebody that's like in
• 1:40
  Speaker 2: the same caliber of me.
• 1:42
  Speaker 1: Absolutely I understand. Yeah, Now, what happened to.
• 1:45
  Speaker 3: The Koreasia Please podcast? Now, everybody loved the podcast. You
• 1:48
  Speaker 3: were supposed to be the next black Oprah. You said
• 1:50
  Speaker 3: you I'm still.
• 1:54
  Speaker 2: But I'm like the you know, how like a person
• 1:56
  Speaker 2: is like black, but they like black black?
• 1:58
  Speaker 1: Gotcha? Oh, I'm saying.
• 2:03
  Speaker 2: Like it's like the hood the hood. Okay, that's what
• 2:06
  Speaker 2: I meant. Let me not. I mean the hood off
• 2:09
  Speaker 2: like it's gonna be like Oprah, but on a hood level.
• 2:12
  Speaker 2: And Krisia, please, you know I spoke to you about it.
• 2:15
  Speaker 2: I'm just trying to find the right home, the right
• 2:17
  Speaker 2: partner to come back for season three.
• 2:20
  Speaker 3: Oh, we love to have you on Black Effect, but
• 2:22
  Speaker 3: what are you gonna be? We need you to be
• 2:24
  Speaker 3: consistent though, How often would you want to do it?
• 2:27
  Speaker 2: I think with me being an artist realistically, and I
• 2:29
  Speaker 2: honestly think it's a flow of things and how you
• 2:31
  Speaker 2: do things. I think for me, Fleas work because people
• 2:34
  Speaker 2: wanted it. It was like I want more, I want more,
• 2:37
  Speaker 2: and I on top of half of the podcast, I
• 2:40
  Speaker 2: still gotta be a artist. I still got to release music.
• 2:42
  Speaker 2: So you don't want to just see too much of me,
• 2:44
  Speaker 2: cause it's like they gotta see them, they gotta have
• 2:46
  Speaker 2: the music and then they go into the podcast. I
• 2:48
  Speaker 2: would love to be consistent, but I also think that's
• 2:50
  Speaker 2: what worked for me. I love the flow up here.
• 2:53
  Speaker 3: I love that you said that you think artists nowadays
• 2:55
  Speaker 3: are too overexposed.
• 2:56
  Speaker 2: Yes, and I think we feel like we know them
• 2:59
  Speaker 2: too much, like superstars, but then you was just littlem
• 3:02
  Speaker 2: as Michael Jackson or a performer. Now we know what
• 3:06
  Speaker 2: happened with your baby daddy, we can hit we can
• 3:08
  Speaker 2: get the police reports, we can get an hour on
• 3:10
  Speaker 2: one call. It's just too much that it kind of
• 3:12
  Speaker 2: leads like, Yiah, that's this person or that's that person.
• 3:17
  Speaker 2: It don't give the celarity status because it's too it's
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  Speaker 2: too accessible.
• 3:21
  Speaker 1: Did you ever feel like you was too over exposed?
• 3:23
  Speaker 2: I do. I think when people know too much of
• 3:25
  Speaker 2: your personal life, it just make them feel like they
• 3:28
  Speaker 2: know you on a on a personal level when it's
• 3:31
  Speaker 2: not supposed to be like that. So yeah, I do.
• 3:34
  Speaker 1: So.
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  Speaker 3: I mean, I know you had to be t reality
• 3:36
  Speaker 3: show that you were filming. Did you take a step
• 3:38
  Speaker 3: back from that because you felt like it was too
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  Speaker 3: over exposed?
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  Speaker 2: Going into it, I was excited about I'm like, oh
• 3:42
  Speaker 2: my god, I'm gonna have a reality show. But I
• 3:44
  Speaker 2: think once I got into it, it's not really reality
• 3:47
  Speaker 2: like it's stage. It's stage reality. And I'm the type
• 3:50
  Speaker 2: of person I want everything real, raw and on count
• 3:53
  Speaker 2: I don't want to go go back and do that
• 3:54
  Speaker 2: again because I can't go back and do that again.
• 3:56
  Speaker 2: Like that shit's what it was. And I think that
• 3:59
  Speaker 2: it became too too much of that that it didn't
• 4:01
  Speaker 2: feel real. And I was just like, I don't like
• 4:05
  Speaker 2: this because they take certain sound bites and it become
• 4:07
  Speaker 2: a whole story that's not kind of like what you
• 4:10
  Speaker 2: sound up for. So I had to take a step back,
• 4:12
  Speaker 2: and it was like, if I'm gonna do something like that,
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  Speaker 2: I want to do it on my own.
• 4:16
  Speaker 3: I feel like you've been trying to find a space
• 4:19
  Speaker 3: to be comfortable to really just express yourself.
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  Speaker 2: Yeah, because I think that I am a real, raw,
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  Speaker 2: authentic person and I'm not strategic, like I just show
• 4:31
  Speaker 2: up as me and whatever you get is that's me.
• 4:34
  Speaker 2: That would be your experience in me. And I think
• 4:37
  Speaker 2: that the world now, like the world that we live
• 4:39
  Speaker 2: in now, you gotta just you gotta just move a
• 4:43
  Speaker 2: certain way and just just be so polished, and it's
• 4:48
  Speaker 2: not fun. And I think that I can't. I can't.
• 4:50
  Speaker 2: I can't live and be creative in a space like that,
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  Speaker 2: Like I can't be my best self if I have
• 4:55
  Speaker 2: to be strategic or I gotta move this way. I
• 4:57
  Speaker 2: can't do this and I can't say that it's not fun.
• 5:00
  Speaker 1: I feel like though.
• 5:00
  Speaker 3: You know, when you see people like like Cardi, for example,
• 5:03
  Speaker 3: Cardi's always herself, I feel like she she made it
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  Speaker 3: to where you can be yourself if you're not afraid
• 5:09
  Speaker 3: to be yourself. I think sometimes people be afraid to
• 5:11
  Speaker 3: be theirselfs cause they're afraid of the backlash.
• 5:14
  Speaker 2: I get crucified for being myself. Like I can say anything,
• 5:20
  Speaker 2: and it just when it comes to certain people, they
• 5:22
  Speaker 2: take it a certain way. It's like if this person said,
• 5:25
  Speaker 2: but when I said, we all, I'm saying the same shit.
• 5:27
  Speaker 2: But when I said, it's just like, well god damn,
• 5:30
  Speaker 2: like I just said, you know I I I think
• 5:32
  Speaker 2: it's I I can't explain it, but I feel like
• 5:35
  Speaker 2: I be myself. I'm myself. I'm not I'm not never
• 5:39
  Speaker 2: like I say a lot of shit, I do a lot.
• 5:41
  Speaker 2: That's me just being myself, Like I like to go live,
• 5:44
  Speaker 2: have fun. That's that was another thing that people loved
• 5:47
  Speaker 2: about me, my personality, going out with sintentna just getting on.
• 5:50
  Speaker 2: Now we just talking shit about each other. That's us
• 5:54
  Speaker 2: in our natural form. You some people understanding, some people don't.
• 5:57
  Speaker 2: Some people like that could never be my friend. That's
• 5:59
  Speaker 2: that's our friend.
• 5:59
  Speaker 1: Group.
• 6:00
  Speaker 2: That's how we have fun. But it's all love. We
• 6:01
  Speaker 2: understand each other.
• 6:02
  Speaker 3: Yeah, I don't think people dislike you like they act
• 6:05
  Speaker 3: like they do on social media. I think that you
• 6:07
  Speaker 3: give them a response. And when you give somebody a response,
• 6:10
  Speaker 3: they keep messing.
• 6:11
  Speaker 1: With you just to get a response. Yeah, I bet you.
• 6:13
  Speaker 3: Sometimes you be hitting people and they be like I
• 6:15
  Speaker 3: just wanted you to reply, Oh my god.
• 6:18
  Speaker 2: But fish fuck you, Like why you fucking with me?
• 6:23
  Speaker 2: I'm cool, Like I'm really a cool person. I'm a human,
• 6:26
  Speaker 2: Like I'm a great I feel like I'm a great human,
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  Speaker 2: Like I am a genuine person. If I don't like you,
• 6:30
  Speaker 2: I ain't even coming your way. If I fuck with you,
• 6:32
  Speaker 2: I fuck with you. But and I'm just I'm literally
• 6:35
  Speaker 2: like I come from nothing, so people have to understand
• 6:38
  Speaker 2: like this is how it was brought up. It's still
• 6:40
  Speaker 2: a room to grow, and I still gotta you know, grow,
• 6:43
  Speaker 2: I still have a lot to learn. But it's like
• 6:45
  Speaker 2: I'm learning as I grow. And I just think that
• 6:48
  Speaker 2: it's like from my upbringing, Like I literally grew up
• 6:51
  Speaker 2: in the Oprah locker, in the projects, Like I go
• 6:54
  Speaker 2: over there, I just say. In my music video of
• 6:55
  Speaker 2: news Flash, there and I'm just like, I get it.
• 7:00
  Speaker 2: Walk around like they don't dress up. It's bunny, it's slides,
• 7:03
  Speaker 2: like how you wake up is how you going outside?
• 7:06
  Speaker 2: You know, it's not like it's just a hood.
• 7:10
  Speaker 1: How do you think you made it up?
• 7:12
  Speaker 2: I think I was always destined to be who I
• 7:15
  Speaker 2: am because I always just had a personality even though
• 7:18
  Speaker 2: I grew up in the hood. My mom dated men
• 7:21
  Speaker 2: with money like her me, and she dated they took
• 7:23
  Speaker 2: care of her, They made sure her kids were stray.
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  Speaker 2: So she always tried to provide the best life she can.
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  Speaker 2: And she was like also popular. She was like a
• 7:32
  Speaker 2: booster and she just was.
• 7:36
  Speaker 1: Just be popular.
• 7:37
  Speaker 2: Yeah, because they cut you all the ship yeah closed, okay,
• 7:43
  Speaker 2: so yeah all that. So you know, just just seeing
• 7:48
  Speaker 2: that and just seeing her make away, it's just, yeah.
• 7:53
  Speaker 3: Are you scared right now because you're out here solo?
• 7:56
  Speaker 1: No?
• 7:57
  Speaker 2: I love it, Okay, I love it. I think that
• 7:59
  Speaker 2: it's an new error for me. I feel like from
• 8:03
  Speaker 2: the time I came out, it always been they people
• 8:07
  Speaker 2: saw me, they learned me as the city girls. I
• 8:10
  Speaker 2: was going through the stuff with my mom, my mom
• 8:11
  Speaker 2: went to prison, I was raising her kids. I always
• 8:14
  Speaker 2: just like holding something down. I never really got a
• 8:16
  Speaker 2: chance to like pouring to me or just be the
• 8:20
  Speaker 2: best version of myself or really enjoyed because I was
• 8:22
  Speaker 2: always holding something down or had to work, you know,
• 8:26
  Speaker 2: extra hard. Like my mom went to prison. I had
• 8:28
  Speaker 2: to take her her kids soon as the group break up,
• 8:30
  Speaker 2: JT go to prison. Then she come out. We go
• 8:33
  Speaker 2: through all of this stuff that were going through. So
• 8:36
  Speaker 2: like now I'm just like yes, Like I get a
• 8:39
  Speaker 2: chance to be creative. I get a chance to just
• 8:41
  Speaker 2: make my own decisions. I get a chance to just
• 8:43
  Speaker 2: be free, like and I also learned so much from
• 8:47
  Speaker 2: a group, and just I know more of the business,
• 8:50
  Speaker 2: like you know. So I just feel good, like I
• 8:52
  Speaker 2: feel happy. I feel like I'm ready. I'm not scared.
• 8:56
  Speaker 2: I'm ready.
• 8:57
  Speaker 3: So who is young Miami without the city girls, without
• 9:00
  Speaker 3: celebrity relationships, without the headlines.
• 9:02
  Speaker 2: No, your Miami is that you are all that? Yeah,
• 9:06
  Speaker 2: that's your Miami. I mean that's what's the start of
• 9:10
  Speaker 2: my career. And that's everything I went through. That's shape
• 9:12
  Speaker 2: me as yo Miami. I feel like I can't run
• 9:14
  Speaker 2: away from it. I can't run away from your Miami
• 9:17
  Speaker 2: up the city or as I can't run away from
• 9:19
  Speaker 2: Yo Miyami that went through that, y'all saw me every
• 9:22
  Speaker 2: face of my life, and y'all going to continue to
• 9:23
  Speaker 2: see me in my new era.
• 9:25
  Speaker 3: So are you trying to show people more of the
• 9:28
  Speaker 3: of the evolved young Miami or just the real Cresha both?
• 9:32
  Speaker 2: Because I have evolved. I think the last time I
• 9:34
  Speaker 2: came to a breakfast club, I probably was like in
• 9:36
  Speaker 2: my twenties. I'm thirty now, so I do look at
• 9:39
  Speaker 2: like different. I do see things differently, y'all do want
• 9:43
  Speaker 2: to move different? Like sometimes I'm like bang out, Like
• 9:46
  Speaker 2: even though I love it, I'd be like your ass up,
• 9:49
  Speaker 2: like when I've been looking back at it, Like sometimes
• 9:52
  Speaker 2: you ever like this is a real thing. You go
• 9:54
  Speaker 2: to the club, you drunk, you look at your story,
• 9:56
  Speaker 2: you wake up, and you delete all that shit. So
• 9:58
  Speaker 2: that sometimes that's how I feel like I look at
• 10:00
  Speaker 2: and I'd be like it's room for improvement there, you know,
• 10:03
  Speaker 2: like you gotta clean up at some point. You gotta
• 10:06
  Speaker 2: get these friends to want to you know, like, yeah
• 10:08
  Speaker 2: we love real, Yeah we love authentic, but you gotta
• 10:11
  Speaker 2: show some era of growth or elevation or you people
• 10:15
  Speaker 2: gonna look at you as you ain't you ain't showing
• 10:18
  Speaker 2: nothing new.
• 10:18
  Speaker 3: But on this new album, you're still giving them classic
• 10:20
  Speaker 3: young Miami.
• 10:21
  Speaker 1: You still out here.
• 10:22
  Speaker 2: You know you still gotta finish me. You still gotta
• 10:26
  Speaker 2: have your hand out.
• 10:27
  Speaker 1: Okay, still we still got build your own doing that.
• 10:32
  Speaker 2: No, of course, of course, of course. But I do
• 10:34
  Speaker 2: feel like men should be some type of support. That's
• 10:37
  Speaker 2: what I That's the message I'll be trying to get through.
• 10:40
  Speaker 2: I just feel like I feel like sometimes men and
• 10:43
  Speaker 2: I say this a lot because I don't. And that's
• 10:46
  Speaker 2: why I'd be like, I want't mean one hundred million dollars.
• 10:48
  Speaker 2: A lot of men just see a pretty face, see
• 10:50
  Speaker 2: a pretty brody and for them, it's like this is
• 10:52
  Speaker 2: another bitch on my roster, like they be building rosters.
• 10:55
  Speaker 2: Like a lot of men are mature in mind, and
• 10:58
  Speaker 2: you have to be. As a woman, you have to be.
• 11:00
  Speaker 2: You gotta know what you want and life. You gotta
• 11:02
  Speaker 2: know what you want. I know what I want. So
• 11:05
  Speaker 2: if I know that we're gonna have sex, we don't
• 11:07
  Speaker 2: have sex, but you have to do something for me.
• 11:09
  Speaker 2: And it's not prostitution, it's not it's just I'm a
• 11:12
  Speaker 2: woman like you gotta add value to me, and sometimes
• 11:14
  Speaker 2: I gotta lead this relationship situationship with something because if not,
• 11:20
  Speaker 2: we fuck. When we in our teens, that's something you
• 11:22
  Speaker 2: do in your twenties. I'm thirty now.
• 11:25
  Speaker 1: No I listen.
• 11:25
  Speaker 3: I feel like a man's job is to protect and provide.
• 11:28
  Speaker 3: I understand the logic. I'm just saying, bring the number
• 11:31
  Speaker 3: down one hundred million.
• 11:32
  Speaker 2: But Charlamagne, that's all man. I'm trying to go up this.
• 11:35
  Speaker 2: I want a vacation. I got kids. I'm trying to
• 11:38
  Speaker 2: live my best life. Life is you know, life, life
• 11:40
  Speaker 2: is weird these days, Like I just want to live
• 11:43
  Speaker 2: my best life while I can, and I just feel
• 11:45
  Speaker 2: like that's what I want At this point.
• 11:46
  Speaker 3: You're not afraid to talk about your roster or I
• 11:48
  Speaker 3: heard Caresia's tales where you flip the two short joint
• 11:52
  Speaker 3: freaky tales.
• 11:53
  Speaker 1: M h, what made you want to want to do
• 11:55
  Speaker 1: that record?
• 11:56
  Speaker 2: I think it's hip hop when I listen to like
• 11:58
  Speaker 2: records like that. Look, Kim, even Nicki Minaj is just
• 12:03
  Speaker 2: coming up as a new artist. I want to have
• 12:05
  Speaker 2: the impact, like when people go like people that are
• 12:07
  Speaker 2: your Miami fans, like, oh I remember she did that
• 12:09
  Speaker 2: too short and she flipped it like this, like that's
• 12:11
  Speaker 2: what is sparking me.
• 12:13
  Speaker 3: I'm only going to assume that everybody on the record
• 12:16
  Speaker 3: is real because one line is definitely real.
• 12:19
  Speaker 1: So I'm just gonna assume everybody on the record.
• 12:21
  Speaker 2: It's every story.
• 12:22
  Speaker 3: Okay, Why do women like the shame men for eating
• 12:25
  Speaker 3: bunky though, Cause on freak detail you say, lame goofy
• 12:28
  Speaker 3: ass nigga always trying to eat bitch booty ass nigga.
• 12:32
  Speaker 3: Why are you shaming men for that?
• 12:34
  Speaker 2: You must be eat.
• 12:36
  Speaker 1: I'm from South Carolina. I'm from the South.
• 12:41
  Speaker 2: I mean that's a grown massport that there.
• 12:43
  Speaker 1: Is a grown man sport, But why shame men for it?
• 12:45
  Speaker 2: I'm not no what I'm just saying, like, because it's
• 12:48
  Speaker 2: like I got two holes, Why do you want to
• 12:50
  Speaker 2: eat the one that's in the back.
• 12:54
  Speaker 1: If he doing both.
• 12:56
  Speaker 3: Appetizer entree, entree, appetizer, whatever you into.
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  Speaker 2: It's no a shame to it, but it's like you
• 13:01
  Speaker 2: always want to eat it back when it's one in
• 13:03
  Speaker 2: the front. It's kind of like, okay, not nothing to men.
• 13:06
  Speaker 2: They do what I shot to you.
• 13:08
  Speaker 1: See.
• 13:08
  Speaker 3: I like when I hear women talk like that because
• 13:10
  Speaker 3: you get to see what women really think.
• 13:13
  Speaker 1: So when guys be trying to do that, y'all be
• 13:15
  Speaker 1: talking shit about I'm.
• 13:16
  Speaker 2: Just not like, I don't like that whole bad that'll
• 13:20
  Speaker 2: be wet, Like it's just feel weird. So it's not
• 13:22
  Speaker 2: my preference, like we all got preference, and I just
• 13:25
  Speaker 2: don't like that.
• 13:26
  Speaker 3: Okay, hold me in wet, all right, let's stay on
• 13:28
  Speaker 3: freaky tails. You say you name a bunch of men,
• 13:33
  Speaker 3: and you say, my billionaire nigga that stay on the
• 13:35
  Speaker 3: island used to tell me take that, take that while
• 13:37
  Speaker 3: he fucked me for hours.
• 13:39
  Speaker 1: Now we know who that is. That's Diddy.
• 13:41
  Speaker 3: In light of everything that is transpired, why weren't you afraid.
• 13:45
  Speaker 1: To still say that?
• 13:46
  Speaker 2: Because I think that I should be able to be
• 13:48
  Speaker 2: I should be able to express myself. I should be
• 13:51
  Speaker 2: able to save my life experiences. I don't feel like
• 13:54
  Speaker 2: I should be silenced or I can't speak on anything,
• 13:57
  Speaker 2: or I should be scared because I just was in
• 14:00
  Speaker 2: a relationship with somebody and what we had was in
• 14:03
  Speaker 2: a crime or it was wrong. So it's like expressing myself.
• 14:07
  Speaker 2: It's music, it's my music. It's my time to tell
• 14:09
  Speaker 2: my story. And I want to have fun and I'm gonna.
• 14:10
  Speaker 3: Do that When it's someone you know you were connected
• 14:14
  Speaker 3: to becomes the center of serious allegations and legal issues,
• 14:18
  Speaker 3: how do you reconcile the person you knew with the
• 14:21
  Speaker 3: headlines everybody else se.
• 14:23
  Speaker 2: I think in life, you always get put in something
• 14:27
  Speaker 2: or a situation where you got to you know, you
• 14:28
  Speaker 2: gotta make a light decision, and you got to look
• 14:30
  Speaker 2: back and say, like what makes sense for me right now?
• 14:34
  Speaker 2: You know, like I can love this person, but I
• 14:35
  Speaker 2: could love this person from a distance, or you know,
• 14:38
  Speaker 2: I can have a relationship with this person, but maybe
• 14:40
  Speaker 2: I gotta come back to it, like maybe I gotta
• 14:42
  Speaker 2: come back around. And I think that that was one
• 14:44
  Speaker 2: of those situations.
• 14:46
  Speaker 3: You wrote a letter about you for Diddy's character, and
• 14:51
  Speaker 3: a lot of people who upset They was like, you know,
• 14:52
  Speaker 3: how can she do that?
• 14:53
  Speaker 1: After seeing the video with Cassie, a lot.
• 14:55
  Speaker 3: Of people wanted to know why you decided to steal
• 14:57
  Speaker 3: write that letter.
• 14:58
  Speaker 2: I think I wrote it apportune change men. I think
• 15:01
  Speaker 2: that the men that I met and that I experienced
• 15:04
  Speaker 2: was changed. I'm not gonna justify some bush or like
• 15:09
  Speaker 2: support some but if I felt like that person was
• 15:12
  Speaker 2: a change, and I felt like The person that I
• 15:14
  Speaker 2: met was change. It was a different experience. So that's
• 15:17
  Speaker 2: why I wrote the letter.
• 15:18
  Speaker 3: Do you think you old like your fans explanation or
• 15:21
  Speaker 3: do you feel like your personal relationships to nobody's business
• 15:25
  Speaker 3: with your own?
• 15:25
  Speaker 2: I feel like both. I feel like, as people that's
• 15:29
  Speaker 2: supporting you, that's buying into you, and that love you,
• 15:33
  Speaker 2: you have to get them some type of you know,
• 15:35
  Speaker 2: it's they gotta be able to connect with you. So
• 15:37
  Speaker 2: I can't just be like, fuck y'all, this my personal life.
• 15:40
  Speaker 2: I don't owe y'all shit. It's having me that do
• 15:42
  Speaker 2: feel like they were at the end of the day
• 15:43
  Speaker 2: being a real person, you know. I felt like that though,
• 15:47
  Speaker 2: is open to them.
• 15:48
  Speaker 3: How do you how do you reconcile supporting someone publicly
• 15:53
  Speaker 3: when the court of public opinion is saying something completely different.
• 15:59
  Speaker 2: Because if I meet you today or it's my time
• 16:04
  Speaker 2: that I experienced with you is one way. I can
• 16:06
  Speaker 2: only judge that person that way. So it's just like
• 16:10
  Speaker 2: I can't speak to nothing that I don't know of.
• 16:13
  Speaker 2: I can only I can only speak to the person
• 16:16
  Speaker 2: that I'm at. And if I met this person that
• 16:18
  Speaker 2: changed my life, that helped me grow, that treated me
• 16:21
  Speaker 2: like a queen that made me believe in myself. It's like,
• 16:25
  Speaker 2: that's what I know, And I feel like people can
• 16:28
  Speaker 2: have opinions, but I can only judge a person off
• 16:31
  Speaker 2: of what I know and what I experienced, Like I
• 16:34
  Speaker 2: can't speak on nothing that I never was a part of,
• 16:37
  Speaker 2: that I never knew, Like I can only judge who
• 16:40
  Speaker 2: I'm at. I can only judge who I was in
• 16:43
  Speaker 2: a relationship with you.
• 16:45
  Speaker 1: Were you afraid that they might call you to testify?
• 16:48
  Speaker 2: No, I never hear nothing. I don't have nothing to have.
• 16:51
  Speaker 3: You seem like a very loyal person I am. At
• 16:54
  Speaker 3: what point does loyalty become a liability?
• 17:00
  Speaker 2: That's a good question, Charlane.
• 17:02
  Speaker 1: We got time. We can just see that. Tell you.
• 17:06
  Speaker 3: I mean meaning, because you might be with somebody and
• 17:08
  Speaker 3: at some point you realize just you even being loyal
• 17:11
  Speaker 3: to this person to a fault, at some point you
• 17:13
  Speaker 3: might have to cut them off because they might start
• 17:15
  Speaker 3: bringing you down.
• 17:15
  Speaker 2: Yeah, I mean I understand that. But also I just
• 17:18
  Speaker 2: feel like if a person that's just say, for instance, right,
• 17:22
  Speaker 2: I'm gonna just choose this as a scenario, imagine a
• 17:26
  Speaker 2: person help you become a better version of yourself or
• 17:31
  Speaker 2: help you believe in yourself, or help you just experience
• 17:34
  Speaker 2: new things, or just introduce you to new things. That
• 17:37
  Speaker 2: was that you was able to take and you know,
• 17:40
  Speaker 2: create create, keep creating for your family, or it's just
• 17:45
  Speaker 2: it's still positive. It's kind of hard to say fuck
• 17:49
  Speaker 2: you you going through this shit, I don't go fuck
• 17:51
  Speaker 2: like I gotta just fuck you. It's hard you didn't
• 17:55
  Speaker 2: I'm saying like, it's it's very hard because it's like
• 17:58
  Speaker 2: I don't want to kick somebody by there am and
• 18:00
  Speaker 2: I don't want to just say fuck you going through
• 18:02
  Speaker 2: that ship. You gotta figure it out because I like you,
• 18:06
  Speaker 2: my friend, I have a relationship with you. I have
• 18:09
  Speaker 2: a personal relationship with you, like I know you. It's
• 18:11
  Speaker 2: like family, like we like locked in. So it's like
• 18:14
  Speaker 2: that's that's a hard situation. And it's just like I
• 18:17
  Speaker 2: cannot just turn my back on somebody like that easy,
• 18:21
  Speaker 2: Like that mean it was never no love there or
• 18:23
  Speaker 2: whatever I did for you, it meant nothing. It is
• 18:27
  Speaker 2: that would be a fake person to me.
• 18:29
  Speaker 3: What did this whole situation teach you about who's really
• 18:32
  Speaker 3: in your corner? Cause I feel like I don't know
• 18:34
  Speaker 3: when I listen to the album and I hear you
• 18:36
  Speaker 3: an interview. Sometimes I feel like people turn their back
• 18:38
  Speaker 3: on you the way you wouldn't have done.
• 18:41
  Speaker 2: So many people did, and go back to the liability question,
• 18:45
  Speaker 2: like some people just gonna do what makes sense, you
• 18:48
  Speaker 2: know what I'm saying, and some people just gonna ride
• 18:50
  Speaker 2: out with you, like we're gonna figure this out because
• 18:52
  Speaker 2: things do turn around, you know what I'm saying. So
• 18:54
  Speaker 2: I think I'm just focused on people that stay down
• 18:57
  Speaker 2: on me, the people that left there was supposed to
• 19:00
  Speaker 2: be here.
• 19:01
  Speaker 3: Did being tied to the Didy situation impact your branding anyway?
• 19:04
  Speaker 2: It did?
• 19:05
  Speaker 1: Really it did bad. Like I'm not talking about just
• 19:09
  Speaker 1: social media. In real life it did. Like what.
• 19:15
  Speaker 2: It just it was a lot like I lost steals,
• 19:18
  Speaker 2: I lost money, I lost relationships, I lost the life.
• 19:22
  Speaker 3: And you know, yeah, I am wow after everything you've experienced, right,
• 19:29
  Speaker 3: Like I mean we could there's so many things you've
• 19:31
  Speaker 3: experienced on a personal level, on a.
• 19:34
  Speaker 1: Business level. You know, how has your relationship with trust changed?
• 19:41
  Speaker 2: I don't trust nobody, Damn, I'm not gonna lie like
• 19:45
  Speaker 2: trust is like the only person that I probably trust
• 19:47
  Speaker 2: is God and my kids. And I think that I
• 19:51
  Speaker 2: don't know what trust is built on, because you could
• 19:54
  Speaker 2: be knowing a person your whole, like your kids to
• 19:56
  Speaker 2: turn on you. So I don't when it comes to trust,
• 19:59
  Speaker 2: I don't. That's I don't even trust God. I got
• 20:03
  Speaker 2: friends that I love and that I trust to a
• 20:05
  Speaker 2: certain extent, but it ain't never in the back of
• 20:06
  Speaker 2: my mind like a person wouldn't do something to me.
• 20:09
  Speaker 3: Was there a particular situation that made that made you feel.
• 20:12
  Speaker 2: Like that, or just like you're seeing everything off old
• 20:15
  Speaker 2: how people would be with you, and then when something
• 20:17
  Speaker 2: get they just go like they ain't trying to stand
• 20:20
  Speaker 2: by you, they ain't trying to support you, they just
• 20:22
  Speaker 2: get the fuck on.
• 20:23
  Speaker 3: Do you expect you from other people? I do, and
• 20:26
  Speaker 3: that's very disappointed when.
• 20:27
  Speaker 2: It is I expect me and every person that I mean,
• 20:30
  Speaker 2: I've been like I won't do that, they won't be
• 20:32
  Speaker 2: to me, and when they do it, I just be like,
• 20:35
  Speaker 2: whoopy doo.
• 20:37
  Speaker 3: Now you know I love the city dress. So I
• 20:39
  Speaker 3: hate to see you and JT not together anymore. What's
• 20:42
  Speaker 3: the status of your relationship now?
• 20:45
  Speaker 2: I think that when it comes to me and JT,
• 20:48
  Speaker 2: I feel like it was a marriage. Right you you
• 20:51
  Speaker 2: meet somebody y'all fall in the shit happen, y'all break up,
• 20:56
  Speaker 2: y'all get a divorce. It could be ugly, or it
• 20:59
  Speaker 2: could be good. If we want that child, just get
• 21:01
  Speaker 2: a divorce and y'all move on, or if we want
• 21:02
  Speaker 2: that we find it from the public. And I think
• 21:05
  Speaker 2: that it was one of those situations where, like you know,
• 21:09
  Speaker 2: we childhood friends, that love is always going to be there.
• 21:13
  Speaker 2: That's why even when the whole thing on the end
• 21:15
  Speaker 2: that happened, I'm like JT, like what we're doing here,
• 21:19
  Speaker 2: I we can never go It's never gonna go nowhere,
• 21:22
  Speaker 2: cause it's like I'm never we ain't. We both ain't
• 21:24
  Speaker 2: gonna go that far like we family.
• 21:27
  Speaker 1: So you said, y'all got the period at the same time.
• 21:30
  Speaker 2: Yeah, like when you as a as a woman, as
• 21:32
  Speaker 2: a girlfriend group, if you be around somebody every day,
• 21:36
  Speaker 2: I'll get you all period the same time, around the
• 21:37
  Speaker 2: same way. So it was at one point we will
• 21:40
  Speaker 2: be on tour, like but you gotta tapon. You got
• 21:42
  Speaker 2: a tap on like we real friends, we grew up together.
• 21:46
  Speaker 2: That's gonna always be a person that I got love for.
• 21:51
  Speaker 3: When something like the City Girls and it's not just
• 21:54
  Speaker 3: business though, like, that's a piece of your identity.
• 21:56
  Speaker 1: So what did you have to.
• 22:00
  Speaker 3: I guess what did you grieve in letting that version
• 22:02
  Speaker 3: of yourself go?
• 22:03
  Speaker 2: It was just like losing a friend, like a sister.
• 22:08
  Speaker 1: Did it feel like a death?
• 22:11
  Speaker 2: It hurts. I won't say death because their person is
• 22:16
  Speaker 2: never coming back. She's still here, so it's always room
• 22:19
  Speaker 2: for us to have a conversation. So I ain't gonna
• 22:22
  Speaker 2: say death, but it hurts. It's like getting your heart
• 22:25
  Speaker 2: broke for the first time.
• 22:26
  Speaker 3: What made you to actually grow apart? Like everybody thought
• 22:29
  Speaker 3: it was Karsha. She got the podcast, now she's doing
• 22:32
  Speaker 3: the reality.
• 22:33
  Speaker 1: Sure, she's getting her Beyonce on.
• 22:35
  Speaker 2: Yeah.
• 22:35
  Speaker 3: People thought, well JT takes music more seriously and Karsha does.
• 22:40
  Speaker 2: What was it now? I think it was just more
• 22:42
  Speaker 2: of she felt, like you know, JT into like fashion
• 22:46
  Speaker 2: and so many different other things. She got her own
• 22:48
  Speaker 2: land that she and I think she just like we
• 22:50
  Speaker 2: are in just two different lanes like our friends. It's
• 22:53
  Speaker 2: just two different brands and it's like two different people
• 22:56
  Speaker 2: trying to be one that she's never gonna work. And
• 22:59
  Speaker 2: I think it was more like she just had a
• 23:01
  Speaker 2: lane that she wanted to go in and it just
• 23:03
  Speaker 2: wasn't the same type of time I was on. So
• 23:07
  Speaker 2: it was just more of like I'm kind of ready
• 23:09
  Speaker 2: to do my own thing, Like you know, I don't
• 23:11
  Speaker 2: really want to do this shitting on my own getting
• 23:13
  Speaker 2: older because she's older than me. So it was more
• 23:16
  Speaker 2: of like I'm just ready to go.
• 23:17
  Speaker 3: I've heard you say JT hasn't been the same since
• 23:19
  Speaker 3: the fat ks.
• 23:20
  Speaker 1: What case you talking about.
• 23:21
  Speaker 2: When she went to prison?
• 23:24
  Speaker 1: Got you? You think jail changed her?
• 23:26
  Speaker 2: Yeah? I think jail shape people. I think when you
• 23:29
  Speaker 2: go to jail, if you you know, you sober in there.
• 23:32
  Speaker 2: Not saying that she do organs, someone's just saying like people,
• 23:34
  Speaker 2: when you go in there, that's like time out, Like
• 23:36
  Speaker 2: you have no time. You have nothing to do but
• 23:39
  Speaker 2: to sit and think and reflect. And it can like
• 23:41
  Speaker 2: it could fuck you up or it can help you grow,
• 23:44
  Speaker 2: but it mentally do something to you, cause it's like
• 23:46
  Speaker 2: you got time away from everybody, you just sit and reflect.
• 23:49
  Speaker 2: And I think that before JT went in, me and
• 23:53
  Speaker 2: her was like this, like we were so like this
• 23:59
  Speaker 2: and when she came home, launch your spell a shift,
• 24:02
  Speaker 2: But it wasn't bad, Like I didn't take heat to it.
• 24:04
  Speaker 2: Because my mom been in prison, so I know what
• 24:06
  Speaker 2: it's like to be in jail and come home. They
• 24:09
  Speaker 2: see the world differently because they just win the time out.
• 24:12
  Speaker 2: So I feel like that was my experience.
• 24:14
  Speaker 1: Did you ever feel I don't know.
• 24:17
  Speaker 3: I don't know if I call it jealousy, but you
• 24:19
  Speaker 3: know she had a man, and she spent more time
• 24:20
  Speaker 3: with her man now, and you you know you probably
• 24:22
  Speaker 3: was used to y'all being together all the time.
• 24:25
  Speaker 1: Was there anything like that?
• 24:26
  Speaker 2: Not when it comes to a man, because as women,
• 24:28
  Speaker 2: we all want to be with our men. Like I don't.
• 24:30
  Speaker 2: I'm I'm I'm uncurious, so I'm very big on space
• 24:34
  Speaker 2: and I like to be alone a lot. So I
• 24:36
  Speaker 2: think it was me, like I I disconnect a lot
• 24:40
  Speaker 2: of times, and it could come off as in like
• 24:42
  Speaker 2: I'm disconnected, but sometimes I got to just go and
• 24:45
  Speaker 2: just be by myself.
• 24:47
  Speaker 1: Have y'all talked about any of this.
• 24:53
  Speaker 2: We have? We I think we need a therapist. We
• 24:58
  Speaker 2: need somebody to come in hear both sides, because when
• 25:01
  Speaker 2: we try to like express ourselves, it's like what you
• 25:03
  Speaker 2: did is to me, but you did this to me.
• 25:05
  Speaker 2: We just pointed a finger at each other. It's like
• 25:07
  Speaker 2: you made me feel this way. When you made me
• 25:08
  Speaker 2: feel this way, I ain't doing nothing to you and
• 25:10
  Speaker 2: you ain't. It's like we're not getting nowhere. So we
• 25:12
  Speaker 2: gotta literally have someone come in and say, look, she
• 25:15
  Speaker 2: feel like this and you feel like this, and like,
• 25:17
  Speaker 2: what's the solution.
• 25:18
  Speaker 1: You clearly love JT.
• 25:19
  Speaker 3: Like that's what I'm saying, So why not go get
• 25:21
  Speaker 3: a counselor therapist and y'all just go have a couple
• 25:24
  Speaker 3: of sessions with each other and put everything on the
• 25:27
  Speaker 3: table and see if you know, y'all can resolve the relationship.
• 25:29
  Speaker 2: Because I think we both need time to do our
• 25:32
  Speaker 2: own thing. Because I think that when JT was doing
• 25:35
  Speaker 2: her thing, I never wanted to make it about me,
• 25:38
  Speaker 2: like I didn't want to, Oh you see, I'm doing
• 25:40
  Speaker 2: my thing. Now you're trying to combat Now, now you're
• 25:42
  Speaker 2: trying to make things, and I don't want it to
• 25:44
  Speaker 2: feel like that when I'm doing my things. So I
• 25:45
  Speaker 2: think she did her thing, I'm doing my thing. Now.
• 25:49
  Speaker 2: Let us both grow, you know, as individuals, And I
• 25:52
  Speaker 2: think that time will come, and I also think we
• 25:54
  Speaker 2: both got to be ready. It can't just be like
• 25:56
  Speaker 2: when I feel like I'm ready or when she feel
• 25:58
  Speaker 2: like she ready, like we both got it be in
• 26:00
  Speaker 2: a space where we could sit down as adults and say, Okay,
• 26:05
  Speaker 2: we're in a better space now, and I think we
• 26:07
  Speaker 2: need that time of.
• 26:07
  Speaker 3: Part So the City Girls aren't done. It's just like
• 26:09
  Speaker 3: a season of separation kind of.
• 26:11
  Speaker 1: Yeah.
• 26:11
  Speaker 2: I wouldn't never just off the City Girls. We built
• 26:15
  Speaker 2: this together, you know, like we did a lot together.
• 26:18
  Speaker 2: Did she just say that it never happened on? It
• 26:20
  Speaker 2: just at like it's she's dead, you know, like it's
• 26:23
  Speaker 2: it's fun forever going to be the City Girls. Like
• 26:26
  Speaker 2: we both come from the fucking hood. We gotta that's
• 26:30
  Speaker 2: accomplishment for both of us. So I look at it
• 26:33
  Speaker 2: like that.
• 26:33
  Speaker 3: You know, people on the internet were saying that it
• 26:36
  Speaker 3: was a lover's quarrel, like y'all be scissoring or something like.
• 26:40
  Speaker 2: I ain't never seen her that. Yeah, that's what they
• 26:45
  Speaker 2: do on the internet. That don't people make up ships?
• 26:47
  Speaker 2: Far believe it.
• 26:49
  Speaker 3: If the City Girls never make music again, what would
• 26:52
  Speaker 3: you want that legacy to be?
• 26:54
  Speaker 1: Just the City Girls?
• 26:55
  Speaker 2: You and jt I wanted to be two young girls
• 26:58
  Speaker 2: they got that that grew up together. They came and
• 27:00
  Speaker 2: they made history and it washood, it was built offic sisterhood.
• 27:07
  Speaker 3: Yeah, you've had to process a lot of loss publicly
• 27:12
  Speaker 3: and privately, like you got relationships changing people you love
• 27:15
  Speaker 3: no longer hear, how do you even begin to separate
• 27:19
  Speaker 3: your personal grief from what the world is consuming as entertainment.
• 27:24
  Speaker 2: And that's the part I feel like they don't understand,
• 27:26
  Speaker 2: Like for them, it's just like they don't give me
• 27:31
  Speaker 2: that grace, And I think it's hard going. It's hard
• 27:35
  Speaker 2: going through everything publicly with the world just being a
• 27:39
  Speaker 2: weird and in your place. And I think that I
• 27:42
  Speaker 2: haven't really got a chance to actually sit and go
• 27:45
  Speaker 2: through my grieving sages because it's like I always had
• 27:47
  Speaker 2: the work, or I always got to defend myself, or
• 27:49
  Speaker 2: its just in front of the world. So I just
• 27:52
  Speaker 2: worked through the bullshet like I haven't really had a
• 27:54
  Speaker 2: sign of really siting dodges everything that's happened to me.
• 27:57
  Speaker 3: But you know, they say, staying busy as a sponsor
• 28:00
  Speaker 3: to trauma, So you're trying to run from what you
• 28:03
  Speaker 3: probably actually actually should be sitting down.
• 28:05
  Speaker 1: And dealing with.
• 28:06
  Speaker 2: So why I need to deal with it?
• 28:07
  Speaker 1: He said, What?
• 28:08
  Speaker 2: Why do I need to deal with it?
• 28:10
  Speaker 3: I mean, because I always feel like if you don't
• 28:11
  Speaker 3: deal with your trauma, your trauma or trauma ultimately deal
• 28:14
  Speaker 3: with you.
• 28:15
  Speaker 1: Like, you know, the example I like to use, remember
• 28:18
  Speaker 1: when Willi Smith was at the Oscars.
• 28:20
  Speaker 3: That's the biggest night of his life, right He's about
• 28:22
  Speaker 3: to get crowned, he about to get best Actor, and
• 28:25
  Speaker 3: like everything just you know, came out at once. He
• 28:31
  Speaker 3: lashed out, and he lashed out in that moment. That's
• 28:34
  Speaker 3: why I still deal with your trauma or your trauma
• 28:36
  Speaker 3: ultimately deal with You.
• 28:37
  Speaker 1: Can't run from it forever, Kresha, I got to deal with.
• 28:41
  Speaker 2: It when I when God calls me. I don't want
• 28:46
  Speaker 2: to deal with it right now. I got too much
• 28:47
  Speaker 2: to focus on. I think that it just puts you
• 28:50
  Speaker 2: on a depression that it's hard to pull yourself out of.
• 28:54
  Speaker 2: And it's just like I don't want to deal with
• 28:55
  Speaker 2: it right now. Like right now, I got I got
• 28:57
  Speaker 2: kids to raise, and I got I got things that
• 28:59
  Speaker 2: I know to do. I don't want to be dealing with.
• 29:01
  Speaker 3: Trauma, you know, speaking to your kids. You know, like
• 29:04
  Speaker 3: that's the last question I'll talk about with grief. But
• 29:07
  Speaker 3: you know, you did lose the father of your child,
• 29:10
  Speaker 3: and that's a different kind of grief because it's not
• 29:12
  Speaker 3: just yours, it's.
• 29:12
  Speaker 1: Your child's as well.
• 29:14
  Speaker 3: How has that changed the way you show up as
• 29:16
  Speaker 3: a woman and as a mother.
• 29:19
  Speaker 2: I mean, it's it's so hard as a woman losing
• 29:22
  Speaker 2: like a male figure. Cause it's like I always check
• 29:26
  Speaker 2: on my son, are you okay? Dude? You know mentally,
• 29:30
  Speaker 2: how are you? And I feel like he always like
• 29:32
  Speaker 2: I'm okay. But I feel like even if he's not,
• 29:35
  Speaker 2: he wouldn't put it on me because I think, you know,
• 29:37
  Speaker 2: he's a young man that's growing up. He probably don't
• 29:39
  Speaker 2: even want to put that on me. So like for me,
• 29:42
  Speaker 2: it's just it's hard because I'd be like, damn, I'm
• 29:46
  Speaker 2: raising my son. He's twelve nine, he about to be
• 29:48
  Speaker 2: a teen, so I know, you about to get its
• 29:49
  Speaker 2: a teenager things. Who's that like him? And his dad
• 29:54
  Speaker 2: was like this, So who's that male figure in his
• 29:56
  Speaker 2: life that's gonna replace his dad? It's not nobody, and
• 30:00
  Speaker 2: it's me. So I feel like I put a lot
• 30:02
  Speaker 2: of pressure on myself and I try to apply myself
• 30:05
  Speaker 2: as much as I can and really, you know, trying
• 30:08
  Speaker 2: to make sure that he knows, like, hey, I'm here
• 30:10
  Speaker 2: for you.
• 30:10
  Speaker 1: You can.
• 30:11
  Speaker 2: You can come to me about anything. I'm fuck what
• 30:13
  Speaker 2: it is, be gonna figure it out together?
• 30:15
  Speaker 1: Is does he talk to you about everything? No?
• 30:20
  Speaker 2: Really, m mmm, he's shy. He's very shy. Like he's
• 30:24
  Speaker 2: really really really shy. He got my little sister, which
• 30:27
  Speaker 2: is his aunt. I feel good about that because that's
• 30:29
  Speaker 2: my sister that he talks to.
• 30:31
  Speaker 3: Do you tell him that he has to have one
• 30:32
  Speaker 3: hundred million dollars a girls knockingna wan day.
• 30:34
  Speaker 2: No, I don't even instill that type of stuff, man,
• 30:37
  Speaker 2: okay at all. Like I literally hate when he gets
• 30:40
  Speaker 2: on the internet and see me say stuff like that.
• 30:42
  Speaker 2: But I gotta to stop.
• 30:43
  Speaker 3: Oh man, people don't think about that. They don't think
• 30:46
  Speaker 3: about when you got kids old enough to be online
• 30:49
  Speaker 3: and see what people are saying about their mom or
• 30:52
  Speaker 3: what their mom is saying about other people.
• 30:53
  Speaker 1: Yeah, you ever had to explain that to him?
• 30:56
  Speaker 2: My son is so smart. He's like a he's smart
• 31:00
  Speaker 2: art and he loves school. That's something I love about
• 31:02
  Speaker 2: my son. He's into school. Like if I go out,
• 31:04
  Speaker 2: he be like, Mammy, you know, I gotta go to school,
• 31:06
  Speaker 2: Marro Like I'm getting school, mamorrow he be on me
• 31:08
  Speaker 2: like school tomorrow, I got a test. He's very love school,
• 31:12
  Speaker 2: so he he know that, Like if that's not something
• 31:14
  Speaker 2: I had to explain to him. He know that.
• 31:16
  Speaker 1: Do you talk to him about your music?
• 31:19
  Speaker 2: I did play my Apple for him because they say
• 31:23
  Speaker 2: when you tells I skipped that song, I ain't gonna
• 31:28
  Speaker 2: lize song. But I did play for him because as
• 31:31
  Speaker 2: a kid, I just wanted to know what he thinks.
• 31:32
  Speaker 2: And he really tell me he liked the news Flash,
• 31:34
  Speaker 2: he loved take Me to Shanell. He likes still Eat.
• 31:38
  Speaker 2: He was like, kids, I love it. They made me feel.
• 31:41
  Speaker 1: Good, So I want to I mean, does m J
• 31:44
  Speaker 1: still talk?
• 31:45
  Speaker 2: Yeah? She maybe I go through it so like I
• 31:48
  Speaker 2: randomly get his song, let me see her phone and
• 31:51
  Speaker 2: they be I love you like they I don't. They
• 31:54
  Speaker 2: got their own relationship. I actually loved that.
• 31:56
  Speaker 3: I like love that, And I mean, I'm sure that
• 31:58
  Speaker 3: makes you feel good too, un less you know, like okay,
• 32:00
  Speaker 3: there's still a bond here.
• 32:02
  Speaker 2: Yeah okay, Yeah, he loved hers, she loved him.
• 32:05
  Speaker 1: Why don't you do?
• 32:06
  Speaker 3: And we were talking about just before the interview started,
• 32:08
  Speaker 3: why don't you do more records like f them kids?
• 32:11
  Speaker 3: And what's up in Dead County Because to me, that's
• 32:13
  Speaker 3: your lane, because I love that old Miami base tine.
• 32:16
  Speaker 1: I was born in nineteen hundred and seventy eight, so
• 32:18
  Speaker 1: I grew up on it.
• 32:18
  Speaker 3: That's my era. The uncle Luke call like, why don't
• 32:20
  Speaker 3: you do more of that? Like that sound need to
• 32:22
  Speaker 3: come back, I am.
• 32:23
  Speaker 2: I think that I just had to get back in
• 32:25
  Speaker 2: my groove, you know, And I had to get back
• 32:27
  Speaker 2: in my sound. I think as artists, the fans that
• 32:30
  Speaker 2: stare you away from what's your sound, because then they
• 32:32
  Speaker 2: go to tell you, like if I put out fucking
• 32:35
  Speaker 2: them kids, someone say you ain't growing. You still talking
• 32:38
  Speaker 2: about fucking them kids. Da da da dah. So you
• 32:40
  Speaker 2: put artists in a place where you get in your
• 32:42
  Speaker 2: head and you feel like you need to make better records,
• 32:44
  Speaker 2: and then you start making shit. They don't even resonate
• 32:46
  Speaker 2: with your fans and they need't even you, and now
• 32:48
  Speaker 2: you just sound like you trying shit. So I think
• 32:51
  Speaker 2: that that was a phase I went through too, and
• 32:53
  Speaker 2: now I'm back in my bag. I'm backing my box,
• 32:55
  Speaker 2: and I know that those songs feel good to me,
• 32:57
  Speaker 2: like those records that I love, and I feel like
• 33:00
  Speaker 2: that's my best self. So I am gonna make more
• 33:02
  Speaker 2: records like that.
• 33:03
  Speaker 1: So all these records. You like when you hear records
• 33:04
  Speaker 1: like take.
• 33:05
  Speaker 3: Take take me this Chanelle and you know caretails, is
• 33:08
  Speaker 3: that really where you're at right now?
• 33:10
  Speaker 2: It's always take me to Shanille for sure.
• 33:12
  Speaker 1: Mercy.
• 33:12
  Speaker 2: You see what I got on right now?
• 33:13
  Speaker 1: Yes?
• 33:14
  Speaker 2: Yeah, Lord have mercy.
• 33:16
  Speaker 3: I want to ask you something about grief again. Do
• 33:18
  Speaker 3: you feel like grief has hardened you or or softened
• 33:21
  Speaker 3: you or made you more intentional about who and what
• 33:25
  Speaker 3: you pour into?
• 33:28
  Speaker 2: I think all of the grief is so it's I
• 33:32
  Speaker 2: think grief coming like different stages, and I think that
• 33:37
  Speaker 2: when it comes to grief, I think he made me
• 33:42
  Speaker 2: stronker because I always be feeling like I gotta be
• 33:45
  Speaker 2: so strong, like whenever I'm probbly like why are you?
• 33:47
  Speaker 2: I mean, I don't feel bad, but I'll be like
• 33:49
  Speaker 2: come on, like let's get out of this, like you
• 33:52
  Speaker 2: gotta keep growing. So I feel like grief made me stronkle.
• 33:57
  Speaker 2: It made me feel like I gotta keep going, like
• 33:59
  Speaker 2: I can't, I can't live in this.
• 34:01
  Speaker 3: I feel like because you had to, like you know, raise,
• 34:05
  Speaker 3: I guess your brothers and sisters, when your mom was
• 34:07
  Speaker 3: in prison, and just even you know, growing up in
• 34:09
  Speaker 3: the environment you grew up in, Like I almost feel
• 34:12
  Speaker 3: like you know, you didn't maybe get the childhood you wanted.
• 34:17
  Speaker 2: Then I was grown. I just had to be a woman.
• 34:19
  Speaker 2: I was cooking, going to the grocery store down there,
• 34:21
  Speaker 2: section eight for our applications. So I I I appreciate
• 34:25
  Speaker 2: it cause I know how to do a lot, Like
• 34:27
  Speaker 2: I know how to do applications. I not to feel like
• 34:29
  Speaker 2: stuff for credit. I know how to apply for things.
• 34:31
  Speaker 2: So it's like a blessing in thecurrice, cause I do
• 34:33
  Speaker 2: wish I I did have ch uh a childhood like
• 34:37
  Speaker 2: at one point, but I did have to be an
• 34:39
  Speaker 2: adult fast, Like I had to raise kids, like I
• 34:42
  Speaker 2: had to get them ready for school iron uniforms. At
• 34:45
  Speaker 2: one point I started boosting because I had to. My
• 34:48
  Speaker 2: mama wasn't there, you know, like these are kids, how
• 34:50
  Speaker 2: they gonna get uniforms? Don't got no money, I don't
• 34:52
  Speaker 2: got no job, so I had to go and get
• 34:54
  Speaker 2: them clothed.
• 34:55
  Speaker 3: You know, that's why you want that man with a
• 34:57
  Speaker 3: hundred million dollars, cause you want to feel you want
• 34:59
  Speaker 3: to be taken care of.
• 35:00
  Speaker 1: You want to just kick your feet up for itself.
• 35:02
  Speaker 3: I don't you want somebody to treat you the way
• 35:03
  Speaker 3: you've always treated people?
• 35:05
  Speaker 2: Yes?
• 35:06
  Speaker 1: Got you, Yes got you?
• 35:08
  Speaker 3: With so much happening around you, right, what boundaries have
• 35:11
  Speaker 3: you had to create to protect your piece that you
• 35:14
  Speaker 3: didn't have before.
• 35:18
  Speaker 2: I don't feel bad about my feelings no more. Like
• 35:23
  Speaker 2: I can feel away and then I feel like I
• 35:24
  Speaker 2: won't say that to that person because I want them
• 35:26
  Speaker 2: to take it. It's like, if this is how I feel,
• 35:29
  Speaker 2: this is how I feel, and you gotta respect how
• 35:30
  Speaker 2: I feel like it's literally seeing how I feel like, No,
• 35:34
  Speaker 2: it's no if I don't want to do this, I
• 35:36
  Speaker 2: don't want to do this. I don't have to explain myself.
• 35:38
  Speaker 2: I don't care how it makes you feel because I'm
• 35:40
  Speaker 2: the type of person I always put myself on the
• 35:45
  Speaker 2: other side. How to expect this person feel how I'm
• 35:47
  Speaker 2: a look, I don't do that any more. I don't care.
• 35:51
  Speaker 3: I love go back to the hour. I love the
• 35:53
  Speaker 3: Dad County record. What did that record mean to you?
• 35:56
  Speaker 3: Because you got your girl treating on there? You always
• 35:58
  Speaker 3: says the inspiration to you on there? Rick Ross, Like
• 36:01
  Speaker 3: why did you select those three individuals to do that record?
• 36:05
  Speaker 2: That's Stay County, Trick Trainer, and Ross. When you think
• 36:10
  Speaker 2: of Dade County, they did so much and you know,
• 36:12
  Speaker 2: it's not a lot of artists that come from Miami
• 36:14
  Speaker 2: and they did so much. And it's like when I
• 36:17
  Speaker 2: listen to the radio station because I do that, it
• 36:19
  Speaker 2: like I love hearing like DJ Nasty, they pay a
• 36:22
  Speaker 2: lot of Miami mixes and they all like mixed me in,
• 36:24
  Speaker 2: And I was like, I want to have that same
• 36:26
  Speaker 2: feeling now in my generation. Like when you go listen
• 36:29
  Speaker 2: to the radio, you still hear Trick Training, but me
• 36:33
  Speaker 2: and it sound new, you know, like it's in Miami,
• 36:36
  Speaker 2: the high schools, the bands, it's real big and I
• 36:40
  Speaker 2: just can't hear them doing that like when they doing
• 36:42
  Speaker 2: the games and things like that. That's what inspired that song.
• 36:45
  Speaker 1: What does training mean to you? And what does she
• 36:47
  Speaker 1: taught you?
• 36:49
  Speaker 2: Trainer? She always is trucking knowledging me, Like when I
• 36:55
  Speaker 2: first got into this game, she calm me listening, keep
• 37:00
  Speaker 2: your face clean, know what you're doing, know the business.
• 37:04
  Speaker 2: Say what you want, like it's what you want, like
• 37:06
  Speaker 2: don't let don't let the body take advantage of you
• 37:08
  Speaker 2: and needs being gonna come to pick the right one.
• 37:11
  Speaker 2: And if you and if you get in the relationship
• 37:14
  Speaker 2: with them, make sure you come out in that relationship
• 37:16
  Speaker 2: with something.
• 37:18
  Speaker 1: Damn what you said?
• 37:20
  Speaker 2: Please?
• 37:20
  Speaker 1: Yeah?
• 37:21
  Speaker 3: What about what about professionally though just as a just
• 37:24
  Speaker 3: as an artist.
• 37:25
  Speaker 2: I mean she always just tell me, like, look you
• 37:27
  Speaker 2: a star, you doing it. Don't let the body tell
• 37:31
  Speaker 2: you shit. You you know, like you show what you
• 37:33
  Speaker 2: can do. It's gonna always be a lot that come
• 37:35
  Speaker 2: with this. And she was like, you got it, Like,
• 37:37
  Speaker 2: just believe in yourself. It ain't nothing gonna stop you.
• 37:40
  Speaker 1: Do you feel like you've been judged fairly? No?
• 37:43
  Speaker 2: I feel like I've been judged. I feel like I
• 37:46
  Speaker 2: get judged for every single thing that I do, and
• 37:50
  Speaker 2: it's just like I don't. I've been trying to go
• 37:53
  Speaker 2: down the timeline to figure out when did all this
• 37:55
  Speaker 2: happen and when did this shift or like what's the problem?
• 38:00
  Speaker 3: I think it was Careisia please only because it was
• 38:03
  Speaker 3: such a good podcast. But you would get so comfortable
• 38:06
  Speaker 3: on there that you would talk and you would say
• 38:08
  Speaker 3: things and you would give them AMMO.
• 38:09
  Speaker 1: Like you when you talked about getting peed on.
• 38:12
  Speaker 2: I made that up.
• 38:13
  Speaker 1: You ain't. Don't say you made that up now, Okay,
• 38:16
  Speaker 1: I made eat booty of them.
• 38:17
  Speaker 2: Okay, let's talk about it. So I didn't even make
• 38:20
  Speaker 2: that card. I didn't even know what a golden shower was.
• 38:25
  Speaker 2: So I came up with the cards withs on and
• 38:28
  Speaker 2: when I got to the car, like, what the fuck
• 38:30
  Speaker 2: is it? Go to the shower it is? She's like
• 38:32
  Speaker 2: you ain't ever. I'm like, bitch, no. So when we
• 38:35
  Speaker 2: was doing a podcast, I just did it because I
• 38:37
  Speaker 2: was promoting my game. So I'm thinking that it's gonna
• 38:40
  Speaker 2: be something that just like go for our well, I
• 38:42
  Speaker 2: ain't know. It was like a whole thing of like
• 38:45
  Speaker 2: me actually being peeed on, and that's something I was
• 38:47
  Speaker 2: just like, damn, like I should have really thought about
• 38:50
  Speaker 2: that one. I didn't think.
• 38:51
  Speaker 1: It was like a yeah, and you was dating somebody
• 38:53
  Speaker 1: named p d D.
• 38:55
  Speaker 2: I said.
• 39:00
  Speaker 1: Yourself, I know it was.
• 39:02
  Speaker 2: That was one thing that was like it was good
• 39:05
  Speaker 2: and bad because y'all they that was like the most
• 39:09
  Speaker 2: talked about thing ever. And that was one month that
• 39:12
  Speaker 2: my seales went skyrocket. But all good money, all money
• 39:15
  Speaker 2: and good money, and that's one thing I was just like, damn,
• 39:18
  Speaker 2: I should have thought about that, and I always go
• 39:20
  Speaker 2: back to it because I remember calling Brittany was like,
• 39:24
  Speaker 2: you know, bringy. She was like, even when it come out,
• 39:25
  Speaker 2: she was like, bitch, you ain't even know where to
• 39:26
  Speaker 2: go to the show was I'm like, it's out there.
• 39:28
  Speaker 2: These people ain't gonna leave me. That's just something that
• 39:30
  Speaker 2: I gotta bite. That bully got it down the hill.
• 39:33
  Speaker 1: So you never been peed on? Damn no, if I.
• 39:36
  Speaker 2: Would have been peed on, I literally, I mean, I
• 39:38
  Speaker 2: told y'all, you gotta tell us everything.
• 39:41
  Speaker 1: I've learned that in life too.
• 39:42
  Speaker 3: You think you gotta share so much cause we be
• 39:44
  Speaker 3: in front of these cameras, in front of the microphone,
• 39:46
  Speaker 3: we be on.
• 39:46
  Speaker 2: But I mean, if I talk about how I sex,
• 39:48
  Speaker 2: she like I talk about it? I say no, no, No.
• 39:51
  Speaker 1: Is that when you ever had to explain to your
• 39:54
  Speaker 1: to your son?
• 39:56
  Speaker 2: Nah, we never talked about it. It's That's That's one
• 39:58
  Speaker 2: thing that's uncomfortable for me as I always be idea
• 40:01
  Speaker 2: what I do want because I'll be thinking about it now,
• 40:02
  Speaker 2: Like damn, like I wonder if he I know he
• 40:04
  Speaker 2: like he got to get into arguments that shot shit
• 40:07
  Speaker 2: in school. It's gonna come eventually, hopefully not. But I'm like, damn,
• 40:10
  Speaker 2: why I did that to myself and my kids?
• 40:12
  Speaker 3: How do you plan to explain like those complicated adult
• 40:16
  Speaker 3: situations to your child while still trying to like preserve
• 40:20
  Speaker 3: his sense of innocence.
• 40:22
  Speaker 2: I gotta just tell him what it is, talk to
• 40:24
  Speaker 2: him like a man, just literally say, look, I made
• 40:27
  Speaker 2: some mistakes, and I think that you're gonna make some,
• 40:30
  Speaker 2: you know, and you gotta be mindful of things like this.
• 40:32
  Speaker 2: You gotta learn from me. There's something that I learned,
• 40:34
  Speaker 2: something I'm not I'm not proud of, and I regret,
• 40:38
  Speaker 2: But don't make the same mistake.
• 40:39
  Speaker 1: What do you think you've done wrong? Like that? That's
• 40:42
  Speaker 1: just one? Yeah?
• 40:43
  Speaker 2: Like I hate that, Like I literally be like, why
• 40:45
  Speaker 2: the fuck I did it? Like, you know, marketing is marketing?
• 40:49
  Speaker 2: You say, shit, I'm like, but that was like a
• 40:50
  Speaker 2: wrong card. But again, I never been peed on, so
• 40:53
  Speaker 2: I didn't think that it was just like a thing.
• 40:56
  Speaker 3: So what does accountability look like for you, crusha, Not
• 40:59
  Speaker 3: not even just publicly, but when you're sitting at home
• 41:02
  Speaker 3: in your house, just privately, Like, what does accountability look
• 41:05
  Speaker 3: like for you when you look at me?
• 41:06
  Speaker 1: Like, what did I do wrong? What did I do
• 41:09
  Speaker 1: to like the cause this to happen?
• 41:11
  Speaker 2: Yeah, I say, like the way that I present myself,
• 41:15
  Speaker 2: the way that I carry myself, the things that I
• 41:18
  Speaker 2: think it's fun, you know, like the way I have fun.
• 41:21
  Speaker 2: It's probably not the way that you have fun. So
• 41:23
  Speaker 2: I think that's polishing up a little bit, tonging some
• 41:25
  Speaker 2: things down, or not sharing everything, like everything like if
• 41:28
  Speaker 2: I'm outside, I'm having a good time, shaking my hands.
• 41:30
  Speaker 2: Maybe I ain't got a post it, you know, just
• 41:33
  Speaker 2: things like that. I think it's kind of like what
• 41:35
  Speaker 2: I put out there.
• 41:36
  Speaker 1: What do you while you figured me and you don't
• 41:38
  Speaker 1: have the same type of fun? What do you like
• 41:40
  Speaker 1: to do that I probably.
• 41:40
  Speaker 2: Wouldn't like to do, probably like hang out at like
• 41:43
  Speaker 2: five o'clock in the morning. Oh nah no, yeah Lee
• 41:45
  Speaker 2: Byami the club, but we trapped then and get on
• 41:48
  Speaker 2: the boat.
• 41:48
  Speaker 1: Nah nah nah no.
• 41:49
  Speaker 2: Yeah.
• 41:49
  Speaker 3: I used to like G five though, Yeah, G five
• 41:52
  Speaker 3: Fire Spot. Do you feel like you're finally in controller
• 41:54
  Speaker 3: a narrative?
• 41:56
  Speaker 2: Yeah, I think that now get a chance to really
• 41:59
  Speaker 2: tell my story, you know, and nobody control your narrative,
• 42:02
  Speaker 2: but you you the one that's putting out whatever whatever
• 42:05
  Speaker 2: it is. You the one that's feeding whatever it is
• 42:07
  Speaker 2: that you're feeding. So yeah, what.
• 42:10
  Speaker 1: Scares you more? Starting over solo or being misunderstood forever?
• 42:15
  Speaker 2: Being misunderstood forever because I think that people that really
• 42:18
  Speaker 2: know me, that really like know who I am as
• 42:22
  Speaker 2: a person. I'm nothing like what's out there, nothing like
• 42:26
  Speaker 2: absolutely not, And I hate that. I hate that it's
• 42:29
  Speaker 2: out there. It's like a sting. I just feel like, what, like,
• 42:31
  Speaker 2: why the fuck?
• 42:32
  Speaker 1: What the fuck?
• 42:33
  Speaker 2: But I mean it's it. I could fix it.
• 42:36
  Speaker 1: Well, you know that the time say time can can
• 42:39
  Speaker 1: fix all right.
• 42:40
  Speaker 3: Yeah, I remember when you said your music was getting shoved.
• 42:44
  Speaker 3: Was it getting shoved by QC?
• 42:46
  Speaker 2: I think at one period of time, I think that
• 42:49
  Speaker 2: was just turned off with us as a group, Like
• 42:52
  Speaker 2: they just felt like we was letting the group go.
• 42:54
  Speaker 2: Did they investment you know how that ship? They were
• 42:56
  Speaker 2: just overy So when we started branching off in our
• 42:59
  Speaker 2: solo era, I think that when it came to me,
• 43:03
  Speaker 2: I feel like I always get get I feel like
• 43:06
  Speaker 2: I just when it come to music, I get it hard.
• 43:08
  Speaker 2: And I think that I was presenting the music some
• 43:11
  Speaker 2: of like the songs that I got out, it was
• 43:13
  Speaker 2: just like, no, it's don't grow up there. No, we're
• 43:15
  Speaker 2: talking about the same ship, and I'm just like, well,
• 43:18
  Speaker 2: we all saying the same ship. I mean, I just
• 43:20
  Speaker 2: feel like this is the music that I made.
• 43:23
  Speaker 3: When you say we all saying the same shit, like
• 43:24
  Speaker 3: you mean like the guys were making the I.
• 43:27
  Speaker 2: Feel like all female, all female rappers, Now that's like
• 43:31
  Speaker 2: the music, the topic, the subject, it's all the same.
• 43:33
  Speaker 2: We just sending in different ways.
• 43:35
  Speaker 1: I love. I like, you know what QC did for
• 43:38
  Speaker 1: a lot of that artists. But I do feel like, man, they.
• 43:41
  Speaker 3: Dropped the ball on a couple of y'all projects in
• 43:43
  Speaker 3: a way. Yeah, I don't know if it was y'all
• 43:45
  Speaker 3: or I know that one album came out during the
• 43:48
  Speaker 3: pandemic that what was that?
• 43:50
  Speaker 1: I can't remember what autum that was?
• 43:51
  Speaker 2: That was Deserve It. That was the one that that was.
• 43:55
  Speaker 2: I don't know if it was Girl called a City
• 43:57
  Speaker 2: or lock it was City on.
• 44:00
  Speaker 3: Locke, yeah, because the one with Dojie Cat was on there. Yeah,
• 44:04
  Speaker 3: I feel like that one should have really really went,
• 44:06
  Speaker 3: but it was the pandemic.
• 44:07
  Speaker 1: Like I was like, why you even put out an
• 44:08
  Speaker 1: album during that time? Like did they make you better?
• 44:10
  Speaker 2: But but people couldn't do nothing but be at home
• 44:13
  Speaker 2: and listen to music. Like everybody was in the house
• 44:15
  Speaker 2: when where they had their quarantine lives and stuff like that.
• 44:18
  Speaker 2: So I think that it was just a time where
• 44:19
  Speaker 2: people was just in the house its and into music.
• 44:22
  Speaker 2: But I think that we wanted, like, for instance, we
• 44:26
  Speaker 2: wanted to have Calculator as a single. They didn't, and
• 44:29
  Speaker 2: then the song and that once it got leap, then
• 44:32
  Speaker 2: they ended up wanting like this is the song. We
• 44:35
  Speaker 2: was like, we was spending because we wanted Calculator. They
• 44:37
  Speaker 2: went with Pinata. See make them do the that song.
• 44:40
  Speaker 2: We was like, we won't Calculator. They want a piata,
• 44:43
  Speaker 2: so they went pinata. Calculator ended up going after the bat.
• 44:47
  Speaker 2: But then you know how the fans, they was like,
• 44:49
  Speaker 2: oh god, y'all, I need a video after the fat
• 44:50
  Speaker 2: we ain't know you no more. And then it was
• 44:52
  Speaker 2: more of like pointing fingers.
• 44:55
  Speaker 3: And then you know, just between that situation and your
• 44:59
  Speaker 3: new situation, I think I'm.
• 45:03
  Speaker 2: In control now. I think that, you know, I make
• 45:09
  Speaker 2: my own decisions, and I think the a's just support me.
• 45:13
  Speaker 1: What's the lesson in all this for you and the
• 45:16
  Speaker 1: people watching.
• 45:21
  Speaker 2: The lesson and all?
• 45:22
  Speaker 3: What just this this, this this existence that Karsha has
• 45:26
  Speaker 3: gone through all of these things that we've seen publicly
• 45:29
  Speaker 3: and privately. When you sit here in this very moment,
• 45:31
  Speaker 3: right here, looking at me, what do you think the
• 45:34
  Speaker 3: lesson has been?
• 45:35
  Speaker 2: Life is a journey and it's gonna be different phases
• 45:37
  Speaker 2: that like, and I feel like I am perfectly flawed.
• 45:41
  Speaker 2: I have flaws to me, like I'm gonna I'm going
• 45:44
  Speaker 2: I'm a human, some make mistakes, I'm gonna grow, I'm
• 45:47
  Speaker 2: a crime and go through things. But you know, y'all
• 45:49
  Speaker 2: have watched me from when I first started to now,
• 45:51
  Speaker 2: and it's a journey and it's an open journey. And
• 45:54
  Speaker 2: I want y'all to come on this journey journey with me,
• 45:57
  Speaker 2: and we'll look back and say I'm so proud of you,
• 45:59
  Speaker 2: Like you really went through all that shit. You you
• 46:02
  Speaker 2: set back, you took accountability, you you cleaned up, you
• 46:06
  Speaker 2: realized what was wrong, and you came far. Like that's
• 46:11
  Speaker 2: what I want to put out there.
• 46:13
  Speaker 1: What does success look like for you in regards to
• 46:15
  Speaker 1: this album?
• 46:17
  Speaker 2: Success that like be aboard Grammy touring and just really
• 46:25
  Speaker 2: showing people like okay, we we we un the estimated
• 46:31
  Speaker 2: being an underdog coming out on top.
• 46:35
  Speaker 1: Kresha, nice to meet you again.
• 46:37
  Speaker 2: Yes, you meeting a whole new one like.
• 46:40
  Speaker 1: This is I feel that way. I don't know why.
• 46:42
  Speaker 3: I've been around you a bunch of times, but I
• 46:44
  Speaker 3: feel like I'm meeting a whole new individual because.
• 46:46
  Speaker 2: You know why, I think that, Like I was, I
• 46:50
  Speaker 2: was always whenever we come and we do these these runs,
• 46:53
  Speaker 2: it's promoted something, it's selling something. So I was always
• 46:56
  Speaker 2: trying to sell something like I gotta you know, I'm
• 47:00
  Speaker 2: more of like I don't gotta do all that. Now
• 47:03
  Speaker 2: it's like less, it's more just going there just just
• 47:06
  Speaker 2: you know, just to have a conversation. You don't gotta
• 47:08
  Speaker 2: go and be extra and do this and do that.
• 47:11
  Speaker 2: Like the people gonna fuck with you.
• 47:12
  Speaker 1: It's gonna it's gonna. I just want you to know.
• 47:14
  Speaker 3: It's gonna be a little uncomfortable though, And the reason
• 47:15
  Speaker 3: it's gonna be a little uncomfortable because you really are
• 47:18
  Speaker 3: standing alone, like there's no j T, there's no Diddy.
• 47:22
  Speaker 2: It's really just and I love And that's why I
• 47:25
  Speaker 2: love it because y'all saw me with JT, y'all saw
• 47:29
  Speaker 2: me with Diddy, and now y'all see me by myself
• 47:32
  Speaker 2: and I'm gonna show y'all.
• 47:33
  Speaker 1: What I can do. Thank you, Karasha, thank you. I
• 47:36
  Speaker 1: appreciate you.
• 47:38
  Speaker 3: Mm hm.
• 47:43
  Speaker 2: I love this. I love stuff because you are a
• 47:48
  Speaker 2: very person Like it's dude, don't that ship? And I
• 47:54
  Speaker 2: think that that's like, that's like earning your respect, like
• 47:58
  Speaker 2: you have to respect an honorable person. You was saying, like,
• 48:00
  Speaker 2: that's why when I wanted to do this conversation, I
• 48:02
  Speaker 2: gotta do it with Sela made.
• 48:05
  Speaker 1: They're gonna respect you the same way. I mean, I
• 48:07
  Speaker 1: think they already do. They just fuck with you. They
• 48:09
  Speaker 1: fuck with me online like they are. They fuck with
• 48:11
  Speaker 1: you because you're such a transparent person and you give
• 48:15
  Speaker 1: them energy. If you ignore them, they still fuck with you,
• 48:18
  Speaker 1: but not as much. Yeah, but it's good. It's good
• 48:20
  Speaker 1: to fuck with them back sometimes.
• 48:22
  Speaker 2: Yeah. But I learned now, Like now I just be like, man,
• 48:25
  Speaker 2: I'm an knock out.
• 48:27
  Speaker 1: Really tell that music drop.
• 48:29
  Speaker 3: When you drop that out, and you're gonna get there
• 48:30
  Speaker 3: all night, going through your Twitter.
• 48:36
  Speaker 2: All day.
• 48:36
  Speaker 1: I am to see what people's reactions are.
• 48:39
  Speaker 2: I am.
• 48:40
  Speaker 1: That would drive me crazy. I don't know how you
• 48:42
  Speaker 1: do it.
• 48:43
  Speaker 2: Do it drives you crazy? It does?
• 48:45
  Speaker 1: But I tell all of that.
• 48:48
  Speaker 3: I saw a digital guy, but I'll be telling Jess Lauren,
• 48:50
  Speaker 3: all of them stopped looking at the comments.
• 48:52
  Speaker 2: It's hard because you want to see what people online
• 48:55
  Speaker 2: saying about, Like if you drop something, you're really going
• 48:57
  Speaker 2: to look to see if they fuck with you. But
• 48:59
  Speaker 2: then you go down there rap a hole of the
• 49:01
  Speaker 2: negativity and then it'd be one thing that triggered you
• 49:03
  Speaker 2: that make you feel like I need to defend myself,
• 49:06
  Speaker 2: I need to pull myself. And it's like, no, that
• 49:08
  Speaker 2: ship just opened up a door for it to keep going.
• 49:10
  Speaker 2: And that's what I learned.
• 49:11
  Speaker 1: I don't think it's real. I really truly don't believe
• 49:15
  Speaker 1: that majority of that ship online is real.
• 49:18
  Speaker 3: It's not like even you know, we're laughing about the
• 49:21
  Speaker 3: Jack Hollow alt, but I think people are just doing
• 49:23
  Speaker 3: it cause it's funny.
• 49:25
  Speaker 1: That's it. That's it. It's it's it's the humor for
• 49:28
  Speaker 1: the week, Like let's make all these means.
• 49:29
  Speaker 3: It's like, you know, I don't personally care for the album,
• 49:33
  Speaker 3: but it ain't you know, it ain't it ain't worthy of.
• 49:37
  Speaker 1: All of that. But it's just funny, like and nobody's
• 49:40
  Speaker 1: even talking about the music. It's just the joke. It's
• 49:42
  Speaker 1: just the memes.
• 49:43
  Speaker 3: It's just the memes, the memes of the joke. So
• 49:46
  Speaker 3: they gonna, I don't know, they gonna always give them that.
• 49:48
  Speaker 3: They gonna always do that to artists like I don't
• 49:52
  Speaker 3: know any artist that that doesn't happen to now.
• 49:54
  Speaker 2: Yeah, then I forgot to ask you a question I wanted.
• 49:57
  Speaker 1: To ask, come on, let's do it. We can do
• 49:59
  Speaker 1: it now, I think the cameras.
• 50:02
  Speaker 2: Okay, So a question that I wanted to throw back
• 50:05
  Speaker 2: at you was, you know.
• 50:07
  Speaker 1: Just turned into an episode of Karasha please.
• 50:08
  Speaker 2: Yeah, possibly, Okay. I wanted to. I really wanted to
• 50:11
  Speaker 2: just you know, talk about growing up and some things
• 50:15
  Speaker 2: that you had to do and you are who you
• 50:17
  Speaker 2: are now. Do you believe that people change?
• 50:20
  Speaker 3: Absolutely? I believe people change, people grow, people evolved. Like
• 50:24
  Speaker 3: the first book my father ever gave me was the
• 50:27
  Speaker 3: Autobiography of Malcolm X. And the reason I loved that
• 50:30
  Speaker 3: book so much is because it literally shows you the
• 50:34
  Speaker 3: evolution and transformation of a man like Malcolm X was
• 50:38
  Speaker 3: Malcolm Little.
• 50:38
  Speaker 1: He was a pimp.
• 50:39
  Speaker 3: He was you know, you know, selling selling drugs, number
• 50:42
  Speaker 3: running all types of stuff. But then he went to prison,
• 50:45
  Speaker 3: you know, got introduced to the teachings of you know,
• 50:47
  Speaker 3: the honorbile O Elijah Muhammad and became a whole different individual.
• 50:51
  Speaker 1: He became the Malcolm X that we know now.
• 50:53
  Speaker 3: That's that's another reason why I love you know, the
• 50:55
  Speaker 3: NI so much because they show you that transformation and
• 50:59
  Speaker 3: growth as possible. But you got to be intentional about
• 51:03
  Speaker 3: that growth, like you know, it can't be performative, like
• 51:06
  Speaker 3: you really really, you gotta do the work. So yes,
• 51:09
  Speaker 3: I absolutely believe in growth and evolution.
• 51:11
  Speaker 2: Yeah, And that's another thing too, when you say he
• 51:14
  Speaker 2: went to prison, I think that when people go to prison,
• 51:16
  Speaker 2: it's about what they do with their time in prison.
• 51:18
  Speaker 2: Because you could go to prison and you can go
• 51:19
  Speaker 2: to school. They got so many programs you can go
• 51:21
  Speaker 2: to school, you can learn, and that's when people come
• 51:23
  Speaker 2: out and they do a book and they talk about
• 51:25
  Speaker 2: they experience and experiences in prison. And I think that
• 51:28
  Speaker 2: it's kind of like what you do with your time
• 51:31
  Speaker 2: in prison. And I think like with my mom, she
• 51:34
  Speaker 2: felt so bad because she was like I left my
• 51:37
  Speaker 2: kids out there that she didn't really go in there
• 51:40
  Speaker 2: and grow, like she came home or resent me like
• 51:44
  Speaker 2: oh my god, I'm like girl, it's fine, it's okay.
• 51:47
  Speaker 3: We're good.
• 51:48
  Speaker 2: You got good kids. Like look at me, I ain't
• 51:50
  Speaker 2: out here killing nobody doing it and wrong, Like it's okay.
• 51:54
  Speaker 2: And that's something that I learned to like pat myself
• 51:57
  Speaker 2: on the back. It's like it's hard out here, and
• 52:01
  Speaker 2: long as you show up and you sacrifice for your kids, like,
• 52:04
  Speaker 2: it's okay.
• 52:05
  Speaker 3: You know the thing about growth, right, it's so funny
• 52:09
  Speaker 3: in this era, because especially with social media, they won't
• 52:12
  Speaker 3: allow you to grow. You could be a whole different person,
• 52:17
  Speaker 3: evolved on a whole different level, but they'll be, you know,
• 52:21
  Speaker 3: talking to you about something you did five years ago,
• 52:23
  Speaker 3: ten years ago, fifteen years ago, twenty years ago, and
• 52:25
  Speaker 3: you're like, damn, I ain't even own that no more.
• 52:28
  Speaker 3: But they'll constantly remind you of who you are.
• 52:31
  Speaker 1: So we got to do such a great job.
• 52:33
  Speaker 3: We gotta do a great job of protecting our piece,
• 52:36
  Speaker 3: right and not letting them tell us who we are.
• 52:39
  Speaker 2: Yeah, you know, yeah, And I think that's a problem
• 52:41
  Speaker 2: with social media, Like what you were saying, we read
• 52:44
  Speaker 2: so much online about ourselves that that's what we feed
• 52:48
  Speaker 2: in our mind and it just become a thing of
• 52:50
  Speaker 2: like you start like loll I'm seeing this coming fifteen times,
• 52:54
  Speaker 2: twenty times, Like you start this shit start like digesting
• 52:57
  Speaker 2: in your mind.
• 52:58
  Speaker 1: It's like, it's that's why you can't be on it.
• 53:01
  Speaker 3: I was telling you, like, when your album come out,
• 53:04
  Speaker 3: just give yourself at least. I know it's gonna be hard,
• 53:07
  Speaker 3: but give yourself at least the weekend. Like the album
• 53:10
  Speaker 3: drop on a Friday, don't don't check the comments, tell Monday, Like,
• 53:15
  Speaker 3: just give yourself forty eight hours just to experience the
• 53:19
  Speaker 3: joy of putting out a solo album.
• 53:21
  Speaker 1: Yeah, like just just let's let it ride for a minute.
• 53:24
  Speaker 2: Yeah, I'm gonna do that.
• 53:25
  Speaker 1: I don't think you're gonna do it. I don't believe it.
• 53:27
  Speaker 1: I don't believe it.
• 53:28
  Speaker 2: I'm growing growing.
• 53:30
  Speaker 3: You said something earlier when you were talking about you know, Diddy,
• 53:34
  Speaker 3: that I you know, I thought about, but I never
• 53:37
  Speaker 3: heard anybody speak about.
• 53:38
  Speaker 1: It's like when you know.
• 53:41
  Speaker 3: Somebody later m hm in life, he probably it is
• 53:45
  Speaker 3: a whole different person. He probably has, you know, grown
• 53:48
  Speaker 3: and evolved and learned from you know, those mistakes.
• 53:51
  Speaker 1: But we wouldn't know that.
• 53:52
  Speaker 2: Yeah, you know, yeah, and not honestly, And I think
• 53:55
  Speaker 2: that people think they're like oh oh, you're trying to
• 53:57
  Speaker 2: protect some It's like no, literally, like when we saw
• 54:00
  Speaker 2: we talked about like on Croatia pleas like church. He
• 54:02
  Speaker 2: says like, yo, that's through church. And he was just
• 54:04
  Speaker 2: so like trying to instill so much. Did I think
• 54:08
  Speaker 2: that he probably experienced before. And that's why I'm like, Okay,
• 54:11
  Speaker 2: this is a uh a man that has changed because
• 54:14
  Speaker 2: of all the shit that he probably previously went through.
• 54:17
  Speaker 1: Oh. Man, I saw him.
• 54:18
  Speaker 3: We was at Bishop td Jake's it was at the
• 54:21
  Speaker 3: Potter's House on Sunday and he was there and I
• 54:24
  Speaker 3: saw him balling like like balling, like throwing himself on
• 54:29
  Speaker 3: the altar.
• 54:29
  Speaker 1: Right.
• 54:30
  Speaker 3: This was it's like maybe two years ago, I think, No,
• 54:32
  Speaker 3: I couldn't been maybe two maybe three years ago, I
• 54:34
  Speaker 3: don't matter, maybe two three years ago. And I just
• 54:36
  Speaker 3: remember thinking to myself, like, boy, he done been through it.
• 54:39
  Speaker 3: Like he going through something right now.
• 54:41
  Speaker 2: Yeah, cause he always like you know, kis kids need
• 54:43
  Speaker 2: to go to church on Sunday. You need to turn
• 54:45
  Speaker 2: some TDJ students do there?
• 54:47
  Speaker 1: Like okay?
• 54:48
  Speaker 2: Yeah. Then then I got more into cause I always
• 54:51
  Speaker 2: had a relationship with God, got like more into church.
• 54:53
  Speaker 1: Did he help? Did did he help you grow spiritually.
• 54:56
  Speaker 2: Yeah, I wa. He always send me service and stuff
• 54:58
  Speaker 2: like that, like do this before you so pray before
• 55:01
  Speaker 2: you this and do this and you always gotta talk
• 55:02
  Speaker 2: it to God.
• 55:04
  Speaker 3: What is a day like for Kresha, Because I know
• 55:06
  Speaker 3: I've seen you wake up taking your kids to school
• 55:08
  Speaker 3: and you'll be listening to the radio, Like, what is
• 55:11
  Speaker 3: a regular day like for you in Miami?
• 55:13
  Speaker 2: Wake up, take my case to school, go home, check
• 55:16
  Speaker 2: my emails, call my management, whatever it is that don't
• 55:20
  Speaker 2: feel like I gotta express myself. And I started working
• 55:23
  Speaker 2: on new things I think, and I'm like constantly trying
• 55:25
  Speaker 2: to create and like come up with new ideas and
• 55:28
  Speaker 2: you know, exploring new things because I'm like, what's like
• 55:31
  Speaker 2: for me outside of music? And that's been an entrepreneurs
• 55:34
  Speaker 2: So it's always like trying to come up with new
• 55:36
  Speaker 2: products or like what can I create that's different? Or
• 55:39
  Speaker 2: like what people doing is that I can't really grab
• 55:42
  Speaker 2: their attention and make this another moment.
• 55:46
  Speaker 1: Cool unless you want to do more. Cresia, Please, I'm
• 55:50
  Speaker 1: here for Karesha.
• 55:51
  Speaker 3: Please we bring a Karashia please back, goddamn it, we
• 55:54
  Speaker 3: gonna bring.
• 55:56
  Speaker 2: Please Creshia, please, but I'm glad that like I had
• 56:00
  Speaker 2: a break from season one to two, because now I
• 56:03
  Speaker 2: got so many ideas of how I want to do
• 56:05
  Speaker 2: season three season three differently, like now, like I want
• 56:08
  Speaker 2: this to be different. I want to approach it like this.
• 56:11
  Speaker 2: I want to do it this way. I don't want
• 56:14
  Speaker 2: to do it this way. So it just gave me
• 56:15
  Speaker 2: a moment to really sit and like look at it
• 56:18
  Speaker 2: and see, like what was different about season one? What
• 56:21
  Speaker 2: was different about season three? How can I mean to
• 56:23
  Speaker 2: how can I grow season three? Like what can I
• 56:25
  Speaker 2: do to make the fans wanted the first the first
• 56:29
  Speaker 2: time they saw it because season one, like I don't
• 56:32
  Speaker 2: I don't know if y'all was one of the ones
• 56:33
  Speaker 2: that was hanging up yep, y'all said, did he brought
• 56:35
  Speaker 2: my award? Earned that? Charlamagne? You had four episodes? But
• 56:44
  Speaker 2: you want to know, okay, you I have four episodes
• 56:47
  Speaker 2: and what what was episode?
• 56:50
  Speaker 1: Yes?
• 56:50
  Speaker 2: The four Kevin Gates It was Kevin Gates. Diddy was
• 56:55
  Speaker 2: the second? No, Diddy was the Kevin Gates? And did it?
• 56:59
  Speaker 2: I don't know how I went, but the first episodes
• 57:01
  Speaker 2: was powerful episode and.
• 57:03
  Speaker 1: Then it was tied between Drink Champs and.
• 57:08
  Speaker 2: Krisha Plice was new. It was a new vibe and
• 57:11
  Speaker 2: new experience. I had hookah on that. I had people
• 57:13
  Speaker 2: getting wide open. We had the same and we getting
• 57:14
  Speaker 2: to the smoke. The trailer was different.
• 57:17
  Speaker 1: Cocaine you no cocaine, No, but we had.
• 57:20
  Speaker 2: Hooka and drinks and vibes. So I felt like it
• 57:23
  Speaker 2: was something different, something that's always different and new people
• 57:26
  Speaker 2: gonna be on it. You know, people are stuff that's
• 57:28
  Speaker 2: trendy or that's new.
• 57:29
  Speaker 1: I think it was. It was.
• 57:30
  Speaker 2: It was, it was new and it was also me
• 57:33
  Speaker 2: like Karsha interview and somebody.
• 57:35
  Speaker 1: So how would how would you make it different in
• 57:36
  Speaker 1: the season three four?
• 57:39
  Speaker 2: I wanted to be I want to have like I
• 57:42
  Speaker 2: feel like I do have real conversations, but I want
• 57:45
  Speaker 2: to interview on a different level, like a real deep level,
• 57:48
  Speaker 2: like I want.
• 57:48
  Speaker 1: To go seper like who were talking to people like
• 57:51
  Speaker 1: with j Roberts. Yeah, I would love to see that.
• 57:55
  Speaker 2: I love to talk to Obama.
• 57:57
  Speaker 1: I would love to see that because.
• 57:58
  Speaker 2: I really want to talk to Obama.
• 58:00
  Speaker 3: Were the president Michelle Obarack or the president, Yeah, you
• 58:03
  Speaker 3: would be good on Michelle. They should they should try
• 58:05
  Speaker 3: to get you on Michelle's podcast for your album. They
• 58:08
  Speaker 3: should she gonna make a cryer, she gonna bring something
• 58:10
  Speaker 3: out of you.
• 58:11
  Speaker 2: Yeah, I mean I love to sit down with the
• 58:14
  Speaker 2: you know, the first lady.
• 58:16
  Speaker 3: That's the thing I do be hating about. Just when
• 58:20
  Speaker 3: they look at certain people, especially us from the South.
• 58:23
  Speaker 1: They think we slow for some reason.
• 58:24
  Speaker 3: Yeah, we're not realizing, Like do you understand where we
• 58:28
  Speaker 3: come from and the things that we learned early, Like
• 58:32
  Speaker 3: we get instilled with like common sense and subeign values
• 58:37
  Speaker 3: that you know, put us in a position to where
• 58:39
  Speaker 3: we can prosper anywhere in the world.
• 58:41
  Speaker 1: Yeah, because we don't. We keep things simple for the
• 58:43
  Speaker 1: most part.
• 58:44
  Speaker 2: Yeah. And I also and I like as a mother,
• 58:47
  Speaker 2: I be looking at my kids. I'd be like, Dan,
• 58:49
  Speaker 2: you what can I do differently? Or how am I
• 58:53
  Speaker 2: raising my kids differently on how I was raised Because
• 58:56
  Speaker 2: we still at in Miami, so even though we not
• 58:58
  Speaker 2: in the hood, the mbar me is still the same,
• 59:01
  Speaker 2: you know, like the kids that they going to school
• 59:04
  Speaker 2: with and things like that. So I think about it
• 59:06
  Speaker 2: a lot too.
• 59:07
  Speaker 1: I just want you to give yourself grace, man. I
• 59:09
  Speaker 1: need you're doing You're doing good, like you're number one.
• 59:12
  Speaker 3: You're alive, right, and you know your child.
• 59:17
  Speaker 1: Is doing well. You're not in jail. Like you you've
• 59:20
  Speaker 1: beaten the odds already. Like, think about where you come.
• 59:24
  Speaker 3: From when you say you shot the shot the video
• 59:25
  Speaker 3: for h News News flash back in your hood. Look
• 59:28
  Speaker 3: at that environment and be like, yo, I came up
• 59:32
  Speaker 3: out of this. I'm the roles that grew from this concrete.
• 59:35
  Speaker 3: So you'll continue to give yourself grace because you don't
• 59:37
  Speaker 3: know what God got playing for you. That's why when
• 59:39
  Speaker 3: you know, people will laugh and they be like, oh,
• 59:40
  Speaker 3: she said she gonna be the next black Oprah. Like
• 59:43
  Speaker 3: you know, you laugh because Oprah already black. But I
• 59:47
  Speaker 3: don't know, you really might end up being that. Who
• 59:49
  Speaker 3: am I to have said? You're not gonna end up
• 59:51
  Speaker 3: being that?
• 59:51
  Speaker 2: Yeah, anything is possible. Believe in yourself.
• 59:54
  Speaker 1: That's right.
• 59:55
  Speaker 2: A lot of people don't believe in themself. That's what
• 59:57
  Speaker 2: sept out. I don't got stept out ever.
• 59:59
  Speaker 1: You never about that.
• 1:00:01
  Speaker 2: I mean I do at times, but I gotta kick
• 1:00:02
  Speaker 2: out of pats. I be like, gir yes you can,
• 1:00:04
  Speaker 2: cause you gotta be like delusion a little bit to
• 1:00:06
  Speaker 2: get where you want to go.
• 1:00:07
  Speaker 3: When the last time he said you can't do something
• 1:00:10
  Speaker 3: and then you snapped out of it. HM.
• 1:00:14
  Speaker 2: Probably like today I was like, it's so hard for
• 1:00:18
  Speaker 2: me to stay consistent workout. I can't do it cause
• 1:00:20
  Speaker 2: I'll work out for a month. It's hard for me
• 1:00:22
  Speaker 2: to eat clean. I say, you could do that.
• 1:00:23
  Speaker 1: You could do that.
• 1:00:24
  Speaker 2: You gotta train your mine.
• 1:00:25
  Speaker 1: Shit, it is hard to eat clean when you from Miami.
• 1:00:27
  Speaker 1: You got the licking right there.
• 1:00:29
  Speaker 2: I know that I'm doing these shows every night as
• 1:00:30
  Speaker 2: so who cuts the drinks?
• 1:00:32
  Speaker 1: You see what I'm saying.
• 1:00:33
  Speaker 2: But I could do it.
• 1:00:34
  Speaker 1: You got tricks restaurant growth.
• 1:00:36
  Speaker 2: Ooh, I love someday. Oh little Fried ribs.
• 1:00:40
  Speaker 1: No, Tricky Booty. Tricky is the ahead of it eating
• 1:00:41
  Speaker 1: booty game. You shaming that. I should ask Trick. How
• 1:00:45
  Speaker 1: does Trick feel about Trick?
• 1:00:47
  Speaker 2: Don't care what nobody gotta say it like he he is.
• 1:00:49
  Speaker 2: He is the face of eat aboot the game. He
• 1:00:52
  Speaker 2: got the shirts, the merchant all that.
• 1:00:53
  Speaker 1: You don't care.
• 1:00:54
  Speaker 2: What's my thoughts? I feel he's staying on. It is
• 1:00:56
  Speaker 2: salute the trick ls. Indeed,