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Hubby’s Double Life Girlfriend Dies During 'Bondage Photo Shoot.' JURY: LIFE · Crime Stories with Nancy Grace

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Speaker 1: Crime Stories with Nancy Grace, a beautiful young woman found
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Speaker 1: buried in the Nevada Desert. I'm Nancy Grace. This is
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Speaker 1: Crime Stories. Thank you for being with us. The victim
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Speaker 1: in this case, Jamie Fieden, just thirty three years old,
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Speaker 1: was lured into the desert by a Pennsylvania man, John
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Speaker 1: Matthew Chapman. She Jamie Fedden, just four feet tall, was
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Speaker 1: found suffocated with duct tape and left to die in
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Speaker 1: the Nevada Desert. We learn the defendant is revealed to
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Speaker 1: be a married man who had been living a double
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Speaker 1: life after he lied about his job despite dating Fedden again.
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Speaker 1: Chapman reportedly married to his wife Marien Chapman almost a year,
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Speaker 1: but on Facebook first to himself as single, calling his
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Speaker 1: wife Maureen Cysts under a profile picture. Maureene says she
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Speaker 1: learned of Chapman's relationship with Fedden, found dead, after he
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Speaker 1: called her from the police department and confessed. Jamie's loved
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Speaker 1: ones believe Chapman pretended to be her on social media
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Speaker 1: after her disappearance by making suspicious Facebook posts. The facts
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Speaker 1: in this case so disheartening, offering apparently to take Jamie
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Speaker 1: out into the desert for a photoshoot.
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Speaker 2: What more do we know?
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Speaker 1: This tiny, diminutive woman goes missing. It doesn't take long
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Speaker 1: before police discover a man with a double life.
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Speaker 3: Listen, well, I got off the phone with Chapman's wife
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Speaker 3: a short time ago, and there are really three big takeaways. First,
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Speaker 3: Maureen Chapman says her husband been called her this morning
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Speaker 3: and confessed to murder. She says she's just learning her
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Speaker 3: husband was living a double life, pretending to visit family
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Speaker 3: and lying about his job. And Lastly, Chapman says her
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Speaker 3: husband drove her truck to Vegas and the Nevada Desert,
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Speaker 3: where he confessed to murdering. Feed In Chapman has only
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Speaker 3: been charged with kidnapping at this point.
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Speaker 4: He said he had murdered a woman.
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Speaker 3: A frantic six am phone call woke up Maureen Chapman.
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Speaker 3: Her husband was calling from the Bethel Park Police Department.
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Speaker 3: His words, I killed her because I had to. This
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Speaker 3: is Jamie Fieden, the woman, police say John Chapman admitted
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Speaker 3: to murdering. Police say he drove her to Nevada, tied
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Speaker 3: feet in up to a post with zip ties, covered
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Speaker 3: her mouth with duct tape, and let her suffocate. Nevada
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Speaker 3: officials are now working to identify a body they found
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Speaker 3: that matches feed In's description.
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Speaker 1: Our friends at eleven News wpx R that was Amy
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Speaker 1: Hugh Dack. I think a big giveaway. A tip to
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Speaker 1: the wife who says she had no idea what was
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Speaker 1: going on on his Facebook page. He refers to her
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Speaker 1: or his wife as quote cis under a profile picture?
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Speaker 2: What cis?
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Speaker 1: Are you kidding me? That would be big, big giveaway.
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Speaker 1: Jamie Theeden, the victim in this case, As I said,
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Speaker 1: a tiny, diminutive woman. Can you imagine this guy allegedly
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Speaker 1: living a double life, wants to take you out for
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Speaker 1: a ride. You go out, you're driving through a beautiful
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Speaker 1: desert area. You get out, and suddenly you end up
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Speaker 1: tied up to a post or a tree, and then
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Speaker 1: duct tape is placed over your mouth and knows and
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Speaker 1: you die that way. The last thing you see is
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Speaker 1: the man you love and thought loved you with me
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Speaker 1: an all start panel, but right now to Crime online
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Speaker 1: dot Com investigative reporter Dave mac Let's just start at
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Speaker 1: the beginning of this timeline and dissect this. Says you
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Speaker 1: would if you were preparing a case for trial. When
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Speaker 1: did Jamie Feeden go missing?
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Speaker 5: Nancy?
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Speaker 6: The last time Jamie was seen was September the fifteenth,
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Speaker 6: and that was when she was lured out of town
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Speaker 6: by Chapman. Chapman and Feeden had a long relationship that
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Speaker 6: goes back to high school or community college. It was
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Speaker 6: referred to as an on again, off again relationship between
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Speaker 6: the two, but it was certainly one sided on the
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Speaker 6: side of Jamie Feeden because we know that Chapman has
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Speaker 6: been married at least two times, the first time for
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Speaker 6: seven years, and was married in the last twelve months
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Speaker 6: to a lady named Maureen.
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Speaker 1: Wait wait, sorry, didn't rupt you, Dave mac But Bethany Marshall, WHOA.
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Speaker 1: I know you have to deal with a lot of
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Speaker 1: problems like how much do my boots cost on rodeo
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Speaker 1: drive with all of your clients, And my house isn't
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Speaker 1: as big as my next door neighbors, and my pool's
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Speaker 1: not in the right shape, blah blah blah. But Bethany,
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Speaker 1: in the real world, I got a real problem with
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Speaker 1: this guy, John Chapman allegedly living a double life now.
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Speaker 1: Dave matt Crime online dot Com investigator reporter tells me Theeden,
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Speaker 1: Jamie was in love with him, But when you look
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Speaker 1: at his bio on Facebook, he says, I'm a thirty
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Speaker 1: nine year old single guy from Pennsylvania. I've lived here
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Speaker 1: most of my life. I'm always trying to meet new
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Speaker 1: and interesting people. Translation, I want to get laid. That's
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Speaker 1: what that means on Facebook. Okay, that's a technical legal term, Bethany.
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Speaker 1: I'm not sure you're familiar with it. But then it
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Speaker 1: goes on now wait for it, wait for it. Any
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Speaker 1: relationship to his wife Marien is further obscured when he
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Speaker 1: comments under his wife's picture looking good, sis help me, Bethany.
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Speaker 7: Well, actually, this is kind of a classic pattern of
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Speaker 7: an antisocial personality disorder. They often lead a double life,
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Speaker 7: They have multiple sexual partners, a great deal of promiscuity.
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Speaker 7: They relate to women as sexual objects, always trying to
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Speaker 7: conquer them. And what they do with the primary love object,
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Speaker 7: the wife at home, is that they will desexualize the
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Speaker 7: wife while being overly sexualized with other women in society.
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Speaker 7: I see this actually in couple's therapy with men like this,
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Speaker 7: where they actually kind of call the wife's dude sis,
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Speaker 7: you know, poker in the ribs. Treat her like she's
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Speaker 7: a little sister. All the while they're having a double
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Speaker 7: life and affairs all over the place. But the other
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Speaker 7: part is that that Chapman's wife could probably see.
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Speaker 1: But why do they do that? Why do people desexualize
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Speaker 1: the marriage partner.
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Speaker 7: Because they want control over the marriage partner and they
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Speaker 7: only want to have sex with people who do not
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Speaker 7: see them for who they really are. You know, the
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Speaker 7: people in your primary circle know that you have feet
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Speaker 7: of clay, right, They may know that you bounce a check,
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Speaker 7: or that maybe you've got a traffic violation, or maybe
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Speaker 7: you're not so nice, or maybe your breast else in
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Speaker 7: the morning that's not sexy to them. They're going to
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Speaker 7: de sexualize those partners. There's a very famous case in
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Speaker 7: my field written up by a man named John Malloy,
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Speaker 7: who reading Malloy excuse me, who talks about a case
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Speaker 7: where a man goes out, he makes his wife dress
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Speaker 7: up as a little girl like a doll, makes her
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Speaker 7: lie down in the bathroom, goes out, has sex with
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Speaker 7: other women, comes home and deficates on her. Now, this
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Speaker 7: is a classic case in my field. We talk about
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Speaker 7: it in classes because this perpetrator was over sexualizing every
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Speaker 7: woman in the world. And then he was turning his
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Speaker 7: wife into a little girl, an object in which he
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Speaker 7: just deficates on and she has no value at all.
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Speaker 7: So this is a classic, classic pattern.
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Speaker 1: Okay, can I just apologize right now to the listeners
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Speaker 1: for what doctor Bethany Marshall just said, because I'm going
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Speaker 1: to have that stuck in my head for I don't
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Speaker 1: know how many days. Okay, thank you, doctor Bethany Marshall
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Speaker 1: for ruining the rest of my day. But you know
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Speaker 1: what I asked for it. I did not expect that answer,
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Speaker 1: But I blame myself totally, which is probably another neurosis
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Speaker 1: of some sort.
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Speaker 8: You know.
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Speaker 1: Wendy Patrick, California prosecutor and author of Red Flags. The
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Speaker 1: problem is he's got a double life, as Bethany accurately
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Speaker 1: pointed out, where the whole wife, a whole life going
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Speaker 1: on that Jamie knew nothing about. But that does not
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Speaker 1: a murder case make That's great.
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Speaker 8: And you know, it's one of those things that likely
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Speaker 8: will play into a defense in a case like this.
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Speaker 8: We hear about love triangles all the time, and men
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Speaker 8: much of the time that does involve a double life.
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Speaker 8: It's also interesting that we have some online evidence here
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Speaker 8: that desexualization, though, is fascinating, you know, not just because
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Speaker 8: of the reasons doctor Marshall mentioned, By the way, the
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Speaker 8: read Malloy case is also interesting. I work with Reid
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Speaker 8: on in threat assessment cases. But it will play in circumstantially, Nancy,
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Speaker 8: as you and I and actually John Cardillo as well
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Speaker 8: have dealt with in formulating why this isn't just a
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Speaker 8: case of someone leading a double life, and why the
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Speaker 8: circumstance is indicate it is a murder. Now, that's obviously
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Speaker 8: some of the analysis that they're going to prepare for
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Speaker 8: trial and as we move forward, because remember, right now
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Speaker 8: it's just a kidnapping, and it's also an interesting case
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Speaker 8: regarding corpus. You know, somebody can confess to a crime,
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Speaker 8: but you also need to prove that it happened, So
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Speaker 8: all of what we're discussing here will also be relevant
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Speaker 8: proving that up as well.
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Speaker 1: You know what, You're right, Wendy Patrick. The law is
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Speaker 1: that a case cannot be made on a confession alone.
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Speaker 1: It must be proven otherwise. Crime stories with Nancy Grace
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Speaker 1: in the last hours, a Pennsylvania man who kidnaps his
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Speaker 1: girlfriend has confessed to her killing. We now know he
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Speaker 1: has led a startling and disturbing double life in the
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Speaker 1: last days. This guy a Pennsylvania man, John Matthew Chapman,
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Speaker 1: convicted and sentenced to life for the murder of thirty
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Speaker 1: three year old Jamie Theeden found buried in the Nevada Desert.
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Speaker 1: But what more do we know about the facts.
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Speaker 9: Jamie Feeden was last seen September fifteenth. On September twenty third,
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Speaker 9: both Vedan and John Chapman arrived in Las Vegas after
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Speaker 9: driving across country from Bethel Park. He told her that
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Speaker 9: they were going to look at Holmes and then two
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Speaker 9: days later, Chapman told Feieden they were going to drive
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Speaker 9: to the desert.
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Speaker 2: For a photoshoot. According to court.
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Speaker 9: Paperwork, Chapman told police, while in the desert, he tied
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Speaker 9: Vedan's hands and feet to a sign pole and covered
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Speaker 9: her mouth with duct tape, causing her to suffocate and die.
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Speaker 9: He then left her and drove back to Bethel Park. Then,
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Speaker 9: on October fifth, remains of a woman were found in
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Speaker 9: the Nevada Desert, and now on October fourteenth, the missing
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Speaker 9: person's report was filed for Feeden. Chapman called police and
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Speaker 9: was asked about Fidan's disappearance. He apparently gave detectives false
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Speaker 9: information about the case. He was charged in her kidnapping.
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Speaker 1: A charge does not a jury conviction make. As you
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Speaker 1: just heard, a confession alone cannot be the basis of
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Speaker 1: a murder, indictment or conviction. It's got to be proven
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Speaker 1: and corroborated. Anybody can walk into the police station and
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Speaker 1: give a false confession. Do I believe it happens? Often? No,
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Speaker 1: but it does happen, and it wreaks havoc in the
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Speaker 1: justice system. I'm Nancy Grace. This is Crime Stories. Thank
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Speaker 1: you for being with us. You just heard from Channel
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Speaker 1: eleven w p XI Lisa Sylvester describing what we think
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Speaker 1: is the timeline breakdown doctor Tim Gallagher, the medical examiner
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Speaker 1: for the State of Florida. To top it all off,
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Speaker 1: Jamie Feeden, the murder victim had something called Vader syndrome.
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Speaker 1: I'm not quite sure what that is. I'm just a JD.
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Speaker 2: You're the MD.
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Speaker 1: I know that she was only about four feet tall,
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Speaker 1: and she had been seeing John Chapman since either high
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Speaker 1: school or community college. They have been together a long time.
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Speaker 1: On top of that, he was a eelywed. He had
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Speaker 1: been married to his wife Marine less than a year.
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Speaker 1: So explain to me, doctor Gallagher, what is Vader syndrome.
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Speaker 4: Quo Vader syndrome is a collection of developmental abnormalities that
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Speaker 4: occur in one person after they're born. A Vader v
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Speaker 4: for Victoria, the first letter represents vertebral anomalies. For instance,
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Speaker 4: they may have severe scoliosis of the spine, which is bending,
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Speaker 4: twisting of the spine. It may be extra bones in
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Speaker 4: the spine, it's not a normal spine. Also, a the
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Speaker 4: A part of Vader stands for anus, and oftentimes the
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Speaker 4: anus is not open and that has to be opened surgically.
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Speaker 4: And then there are other abnormalities of the limbs and
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Speaker 4: of the internal organs that prevent them from development. For
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Speaker 4: for developing normally. That can lead to a very short
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Speaker 4: stature and a very difficult physical life.
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Speaker 1: You know, apparently all the signs were there. Doctor Bethany Marshall,
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Speaker 1: Hollywood psychoanalyst at doctor Bethany Marshall dot com. Did you
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Speaker 1: notice that her Jamie's friends did not like John Chapman.
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Speaker 1: They did not want her seeing him. That's a big,
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Speaker 1: big red flag.
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Speaker 7: I did notice that. And one of the things that
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Speaker 7: keeps grabbing my attention about this is the fact that
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Speaker 7: she had a disability and he didn't, and did he
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Speaker 7: use that to control her, Because people with disabilities are
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Speaker 7: often abused in very specific ways. Maybe they're shamed, maybe
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Speaker 7: their disability checks are taken. Sometimes they're thrust into a
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Speaker 7: public situation where they're demeaned by their partner. They're told
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Speaker 7: that they don't they're not allowed to have restroom breaks,
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Speaker 7: or that their voice sounds silly. So he chose a
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Speaker 7: partner who he had in his life for a long
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Speaker 7: long time, who I think he could probably control and
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Speaker 7: manipulate because of her disability, and so that held meaning
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Speaker 7: for him. And we see how it all ended. He
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Speaker 7: tied her to a post, he duct taped her mouth,
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Speaker 7: he watched her suffer. I cannot believe that this was
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Speaker 7: the first time he treated her this way. It's just
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Speaker 7: that it's spilled over into a homicide at this point.
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Speaker 7: But I'm sure violence, mistreatment and abuse towards her had
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Speaker 7: been building for many, many years.
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Speaker 1: Well, I know of one incident, and I'm curious as
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Speaker 1: to whether this will come into trial. John Cardillo with
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Speaker 1: me former NYPD host of America talks on Newsmax TV.
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Speaker 1: John a friend of Jamie's, claims that Chapman mistreated her,
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Speaker 1: including using Jamie for money, and she describes an incident
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Speaker 1: when Faden Jamie allegedly arrived at a restaurant with Chapman
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Speaker 1: and Jamie had two black eyes.
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Speaker 10: Yeah, I mean that that's indicative of a long term
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Speaker 10: period of abuse. She was probably hiding it. I mean, look,
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Speaker 10: as an investigator, we'd be looking into why he would
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Speaker 10: choose to cheat on his wife with somebody with such
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Speaker 10: physical infirmities. Was there some kind of of fetish, What
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Speaker 10: was he into something? You know, weird, bizarre? Quite frankly,
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Speaker 10: if it were me, I'd be looking for other victims
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Speaker 10: at this point, other disappearances of people with similar conditions
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Speaker 10: that lived in his area. Because the fact pattern, as
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Speaker 10: we know it indicates a very troubled guy, a very
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Speaker 10: dangerous guy. And so I think the instincts of the
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Speaker 10: friends were spot on. Look, they got a bad vibe
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Speaker 10: off the guy. That's typically indicative, even though it's intangible.
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Speaker 10: And now you combine that with physical evidence signs of abuse,
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Speaker 10: black eyes, I think law enforcement's going to be looking
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Speaker 10: very hard at his electronic devices, his history as bank accounts,
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Speaker 10: and again, if it were me, I'd be looking at
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Speaker 10: other victims that were either of similar stature, similar infirmity,
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Speaker 10: that may have gone missing, victims of abuse that didn't
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Speaker 10: report it in his area, because wouldn't surprise me if
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Speaker 10: we find other victims.
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Speaker 1: Yeah, because if he's living a double life, how do
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Speaker 1: I know it's a not a triple life or even worse?
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Speaker 7: Yeah?
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Speaker 1: Right, yeah, I even thought of that, John Cardillo, you know,
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Speaker 1: another issue straight out to Dave matt crimeonline dot Com
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Speaker 1: investigative reporter, how was Jamie's body sound?
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Speaker 6: It was actually found out in the desert by a
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Speaker 6: man who was out on a hike with his two
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Speaker 6: young sons. They had pulled off they were looking at
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Speaker 6: old train engines and pulled off onto an old dirt
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Speaker 6: road out in the middle of nowhere, and one of
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Speaker 6: his older sons actually saw something in the distance that
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Speaker 6: intrigued them and it ended up being what appears to
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Speaker 6: be because she hasn't been positively identified yet, but appeared
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Speaker 6: to be the body of Jamie.
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Speaker 1: What I know is, like Dave MATC just told us,
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Speaker 1: a man was out hiking with his boys and he
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Speaker 1: says that the boys saw something in the distance, but
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Speaker 1: they didn't know what it was, so he the dad
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Speaker 1: Linso tells the boys to get back in the truck,
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Speaker 1: and he went to investigate. He finds a body and
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Speaker 1: immediately calls the Lincoln County Sheriff's department. He says, at
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Speaker 1: first he thought it was a child's body because the
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Speaker 1: body was so tiny. And this is very probative or
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Speaker 1: proved something to me. You know, sometimes I see a
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Speaker 1: fact and I don't know exactly what it's telling me about.
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Speaker 1: I know that it's probative and will be probative at trial.
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Speaker 1: There were no clothes on the body and no clothes
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Speaker 1: to be found anywhere nearby, so her attack or her
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Speaker 1: killer either raped her or had sex with her and
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Speaker 1: left her that way, naked and tied to a post
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Speaker 1: in the desert with a duct tape over her mouth
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Speaker 1: and knows, or he took her clothing away so her
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Speaker 1: body would not be identified trial fact. Under the law,
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Speaker 1: the state can bring in evidence of what occurred before, during,
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Speaker 1: and after the incident to show frame of mind, course
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Speaker 1: of conduct mo motus operaandi. Neither of those two scenarios
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Speaker 1: reflect well on John Chapman at all. The body, Jamie
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Speaker 1: Feeden was already heavily decomposed and just dumped off like
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Speaker 1: a piece of trash. Police say Chapman asked Jamie to
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Speaker 1: drive to Las Vegas, Nevada for a vacation, then allegedly
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Speaker 1: brings her to the Nevada desert for a photoshoot where
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Speaker 1: he actually tied her up and bound her mouth and nose.
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Speaker 1: After luring her to Vegas for an alleged vacation, he
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Speaker 1: murders her. Chapman then charged with kidnapping and other counts,
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Speaker 1: now murder. What more happened in the Nevada day.
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Speaker 11: According to police, while she was missing, The victim's family
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Speaker 11: says someone reached out to them from her Facebook messenger account,
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Speaker 11: pretending to be the victim. The police sate Chapman was
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Speaker 11: on the other end.
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Speaker 1: Will it be able to be proven at trial that
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Speaker 1: this is Jamie Feeden and that John Chapman murdered her?
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Speaker 2: Big problem?
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Speaker 1: Of course, we all know that a murder case can
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Speaker 1: be proven without a body, but it does present a
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Speaker 1: host of difficulties. I'm Nancy Grace, this is Crime Stories.
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Speaker 1: Thank you for being with us. You were just hearing
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Speaker 1: our friends at Channel eleven w p XI. That was
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Speaker 1: Gabrielle de Luca reporting, Oh Man, every time we think
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Speaker 1: we're within reach of enough evidence to charge with murder,
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Speaker 1: another wrinkle appears in the case. How can she be
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Speaker 1: positively identified? To doctor Tim Gallagher, medical examiner for the
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Speaker 1: State of Florida, With her body in such an advanced
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Speaker 1: state of decomposure, how can she be identified?
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Speaker 4: We do have her skeletal remains, and because of her
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Speaker 4: medical condition, it's more than likely that she has X
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Speaker 4: rays that were taken out a doctor's office that we
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Speaker 4: can use to compare against the remains to see what
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Speaker 4: her developmental abnormalities are. You know, she does have a
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Speaker 4: Vader syndrome which has very distinct bone patterns, and I'm
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Speaker 4: sure that we could positively identify her using X rays
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Speaker 4: from her doctor's office and comparing those against the bony remains.
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Speaker 1: Well, what about her dental records.
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Speaker 4: We can also use that as a supplemental form of
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Speaker 4: identification as well. Between the two and the circumstances that
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Speaker 4: surround her being there, positive identification is certainly within the
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Speaker 4: realm of possibility.
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Speaker 1: And I'm going to circle back to John Cardillo about
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Speaker 1: her missing clothing. But doctor Tim Gallagher explain how specific
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Speaker 1: dental records can be unique to one individual like a thing.
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Speaker 4: Oh, absolutely it can, especially when there are dental restorations,
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Speaker 4: meaning some of the cavities have been filled with an amalgam,
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Speaker 4: some of the orthodonic work may still be in place.
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Speaker 4: We can use distinct and individualized characters of the person's
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Speaker 4: dental X rays to compare against the dental work that
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Speaker 4: they received. Additionally, gaps in the teeth or root patterns
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Speaker 4: that are the tooth that are below the gum line
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Speaker 4: are very distinctive individual to individual, and we could use
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Speaker 4: those dental records to compare and find the identification of
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Speaker 4: the person.
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Speaker 2: What does it say to you?
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Speaker 1: John Cardillo, host America, talks on News Next TV former
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Speaker 1: NYPD that all of our clothing was missing.
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Speaker 10: Well, one of the easiest ways to identify someone, right,
21:50
Speaker 10: I mean, if you take the clothing, you can compare
21:52
Speaker 10: it to maybe a photo that a victim posted to
21:54
Speaker 10: social media the day before they went missing, a photo
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Speaker 10: a friend took of them. Family members would have made
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Speaker 10: maybe the mom or the dad says, oh yep, that
22:02
Speaker 10: was her favorite church.
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Speaker 1: You loved that.
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Speaker 10: I bought it for her last Christmas, that's definitely hers.
22:07
Speaker 10: And in her case, because of her condition Vader syndrome
22:10
Speaker 10: and her stature, her clothing would have been very unique,
22:12
Speaker 10: potentially child's clothing. So if you had those photos of
22:16
Speaker 10: the clothing the day before or day that she disappeared
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Speaker 10: on social media on a cell phone, or the family
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Speaker 10: friends saying Yep, that's definitely hers. I had to buy
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Speaker 10: it for her. In the child section, you've got a
22:27
Speaker 10: pretty key piece of evidence for identification, So removing them
22:30
Speaker 10: certainly indicates that someone didn't want her to be identified
22:33
Speaker 10: if she was found.
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Speaker 2: What do you make of it?
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Speaker 1: Wendy Patcheck, California prosecutor and author of Red Flag.
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Speaker 8: I'm just sort of adding to what's already been said.
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Speaker 8: You can get rid of the clothes, but you cannot
22:43
Speaker 8: always get rid of what the remains tell you about
22:46
Speaker 8: whose body this is, and particularly when you have these
22:49
Speaker 8: unique features as we've been discussing. Of course, nobody wants
22:53
Speaker 8: to jump to conclusions or reach them prematurely, but Nancy
22:56
Speaker 8: is certainly back to one of the things you said earlier.
22:58
Speaker 8: When it comes to pruiting a murder, we always like
23:01
Speaker 8: to say we don't want to be callous about it,
23:03
Speaker 8: but no body, no problem in terms of reaching a verdict,
23:07
Speaker 8: but it has to proceed very differently the circumstances surrounding
23:11
Speaker 8: why we know, even if we hadn't found a body
23:14
Speaker 8: in this case, that's not to say a murder can't
23:16
Speaker 8: be proven here. It is a lot more, is a
23:19
Speaker 8: lot easier. And not only do we have the kind
23:22
Speaker 8: of unique features we can match up the fact that
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Speaker 8: this man shows this particular woman, John talks about looking
23:28
Speaker 8: for similar victims, one of the things we may find
23:30
Speaker 8: in common is vulnerability. The vulnerability, the exploitation that took
23:35
Speaker 8: place here. You know, this is one we also don't
23:37
Speaker 8: need to prove motive, but motives going to matter in
23:40
Speaker 8: a case like this, and everything we've been talking about
23:43
Speaker 8: are just more of the things that the prosecutors are
23:45
Speaker 8: going to get in line in getting this case ready
23:48
Speaker 8: to go to which you're adding additional charges.
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Speaker 1: Well, here's another piece of evidence. Apparently even after she
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Speaker 1: goes missing, she is still continuing to Facebook.
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Speaker 5: Listen, we're back at the alleged victims Bethel Park home,
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Speaker 5: searching for more evidence. Police say the victim's uncle was
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Speaker 5: getting Facebook messages purporting to be her, but which we're
24:09
Speaker 5: giving incorrect answers to questions.
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Speaker 12: But we don't believe that was in fact her. We
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Speaker 12: believe was mister Chapman posing as her.
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Speaker 5: The chief says, the investigation is continuing here and in Nevada.
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Speaker 12: What he has said that is in fact true, and
24:28
Speaker 12: we're gonna have to see if we can find Jamie
24:33
Speaker 12: either living or deceased, and we're hoping that there's still
24:37
Speaker 12: a ray of hope that she is alive and we
24:39
Speaker 12: can bring her back home safely.
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Speaker 1: You're hearing our friends at w t AE needs for
24:44
Speaker 1: that was reporter Bob Mayo. You're also hearing Police Chief
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Speaker 1: Timothy O'Connor, what more do you need for Pete's sake?
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Speaker 1: Who would go on her Facebook and pretend to be her?
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Speaker 1: And I've got the Facebook postings? This is Jamie the
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Speaker 1: missing woman. H question to Jamie, did I miss something?
25:04
Speaker 1: Did you and John break up? Someone wrote her? She
25:07
Speaker 1: writes back, Yeah, but we're still friends. What happened? She writes,
25:11
Speaker 1: Apparently I was too clinging and he couldn't take it.
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Speaker 1: Thinking back, maybe I was and I did not try
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Speaker 1: to be. But it's hard when I care so much question.
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Speaker 1: I feel you, girl, She responds. It was my idea
25:25
Speaker 1: to be friends because I didn't want us to hate
25:26
Speaker 1: each other. My family was also an issue as well.
25:31
Speaker 1: Another question, when's John's birthday? That's an odd question. Have
25:35
Speaker 1: you tried asking him? Maybe, try getting to know him?
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Speaker 2: Answer?
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Speaker 1: No, lol, I just saw a John Chapman in the
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Speaker 1: paper with a birthday. Didn't know if it was him, lol.
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Speaker 1: She allegedly writes back, Honestly, I'm not sure about John's birthday.
25:53
Speaker 1: We dated, but I didn't feel he was quote the one,
25:55
Speaker 1: and there was a lot I didn't know about him.
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Speaker 1: He has a history, I know that, but I never
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Speaker 1: felt unsafe around him, and he was always upfront about
26:04
Speaker 1: his past.
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Speaker 2: Really crime stories with Nancy Grace.
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Speaker 1: A Pennsylvania man, John Matthew Chapman now gets life behind
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Speaker 1: bars for murdering a woman found in the Nevada desert. Apparently,
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Speaker 1: the wife, Maureene Chapman, practically a bride herself, had no
26:35
Speaker 1: idea of her husband's cheating until he called her from
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Speaker 1: the Bethel Park Police Department. Wife Maureene said Chapman told
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Speaker 1: her he was taking her truck for a work trip
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Speaker 1: in Vegas after visiting relatives in Bethel Park. The truck
26:51
Speaker 1: is now considered key evidence in a murder. Looking at
26:55
Speaker 1: his Facebook page, is bio reads I'm a thirty nine
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Speaker 1: year old single from Pennsylvania. I've lived here most of
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Speaker 1: my life. I'm always trying to meet new and interesting people. Well,
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Speaker 1: you're not going to meet them out in the middle
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Speaker 1: of the desert.
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Speaker 2: This guy is a killer.
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Speaker 1: All romantic relationship with now wife Maureen is hidden when
27:17
Speaker 1: he comments looking good sis under his wife's profile picture
27:22
Speaker 1: and later lists his wife as his sister.
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Speaker 2: The wife now says, quote.
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Speaker 1: It's sick. It's really sick. I just want the truth
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Speaker 1: as to what happened. I feel I'm owed that, you're
27:36
Speaker 1: owed that. What about Jamie's family? She's dead. Friends weighing in,
27:41
Speaker 1: claiming that no one had any idea Chapman was married.
27:45
Speaker 1: You know, at this point, I'd be more concerned about
27:47
Speaker 1: the murder than the two timing.
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Speaker 2: What more do we know?
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Speaker 3: His stepmom told me he's married to another woman and
27:55
Speaker 3: has been for about a year. The family says they
27:57
Speaker 3: thought John Chapman was going to work for a trip
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Speaker 3: to Las Vegas, but that wasn't the case. According to police,
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Speaker 3: Chapman's family told me he met Jamie Fieden at either
28:06
Speaker 3: a high school or a college for students with special
28:09
Speaker 3: educational needs, and that he often has a lot of
28:11
Speaker 3: close friends. Police a Chapman would often stay at Pheeden's
28:14
Speaker 3: Bethel Park town home. Chapman's family also tells me he
28:18
Speaker 3: was living with his wife and his mom in Oakmont
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Speaker 3: through the summer, and everything seemed to be fine until
28:23
Speaker 3: they got a phone call from police a few hours ago.
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Speaker 13: What went through my mind is just what a horribly
28:30
Speaker 13: sad tragedy. You know, we had heard that he had
28:34
Speaker 13: gone to Las Vegas. He was going there for he said,
28:37
Speaker 13: for a work convention. So I think at this point
28:39
Speaker 13: we're all just in shock. It's just kind of you know,
28:42
Speaker 13: it's it's just what you know. It doesn't seem like
28:45
Speaker 13: it's real.
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Speaker 1: A work convention, man, that is so tired a work convention.
28:52
Speaker 1: You were just hearing from our friends at Channel eleven
28:55
Speaker 1: wp XI, that was Amy Hood at reporting Wow and
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Speaker 1: heard the voice of Pamela Chapman. This guy had really
29:04
Speaker 1: snowed everybody. But I want to circle back to Bethany Marshall,
29:08
Speaker 1: psychoanalyst in Hollywood, Bethany, she need this guy, Jamie need
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Speaker 1: John Chapman since they were in high school. But these
29:18
Speaker 1: Facebook posting is these text responses. Honestly, I'm not sure
29:22
Speaker 1: about his birthday. We dated, but I didn't really know
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Speaker 1: that much about him.
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Speaker 7: What Nancy, the fact that he's on her Facebook. Not
29:30
Speaker 7: only is he trying to throw people off the trail,
29:32
Speaker 7: but this tells me that he has infiltrated every part
29:36
Speaker 7: of this victim's life. He men are at a school
29:39
Speaker 7: for people with disabilities. He doesn't have a disability, so
29:42
Speaker 7: that tells me he specifically chose her because of her disability.
29:46
Speaker 7: People with disabilities tend to be more isolated. They're vulnerable,
29:50
Speaker 7: they have fewer friends, they have less access to the
29:53
Speaker 7: justice system. They are more willing to be pliable to
29:56
Speaker 7: give their money away, to do anything to keep me
30:00
Speaker 7: the love of the love objects, so he targeted her.
30:03
Speaker 7: He had her under his firm control. One of the
30:06
Speaker 7: reasons I believe she didn't have clothing on. According to
30:09
Speaker 7: one report, he told her that they were going to
30:12
Speaker 7: like a bondage and discipline photo shoot in the desert,
30:17
Speaker 7: so he may have taken her clothes off before he
30:19
Speaker 7: tied her to that poll, and the poor little thing
30:22
Speaker 7: may have thought that she was, you know, sexy, and
30:24
Speaker 7: he wanted her and he was taking pictures of her.
30:27
Speaker 7: But not only that, then he poses as her on
30:31
Speaker 7: her Facebook account, which tells me that he also believed
30:35
Speaker 7: that she belonged to him, that she was his possession,
30:38
Speaker 7: He could do whatever he liked with her body, her money,
30:41
Speaker 7: her home, he stayed there, with her social media, that
30:45
Speaker 7: it all belonged to him, including her life.
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Speaker 1: To John Cardillo, former NYPD, how do you trace from
30:54
Speaker 1: where these messages came?
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Speaker 10: Oh, there are several ways you can do it. You can,
30:59
Speaker 10: obviously you can locate IP address, You can ping his
31:01
Speaker 10: cell phone. You can uh look and see if the
31:04
Speaker 10: IP was coordinating with where his vehicle was, if you
31:08
Speaker 10: can get a subpoena for the GPS on his car.
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Speaker 12: I mean, law enforcement.
31:12
Speaker 10: Today, it's it's it's much easier to track your electronic
31:16
Speaker 10: footprint in many respects than if you completely went offline,
31:19
Speaker 10: went totally analog, and we're just walking around without any device.
31:22
Speaker 10: So really you're you're you're a walking home beacon as
31:26
Speaker 10: long as you've got a cell phone on you, and
31:28
Speaker 10: if you've got any of the laptops that have wireless.
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Speaker 1: You know, it's even freak here out to Crime online
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Speaker 1: dot Com investigative reporter Dave Mack, a friend of Jamie's
31:37
Speaker 1: got very suspicious and she's the one posing these questions
31:41
Speaker 1: and he's giving some of the wrong answers. She got
31:44
Speaker 1: very apprehensive about Chapman because he friended her the friend
31:51
Speaker 1: on Facebook and began commenting on her photos like a
31:56
Speaker 1: beautiful rose for a very beautiful woman. Of my husband
32:02
Speaker 1: David Lynch sent a picture of a rose or commented
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Speaker 1: on a rose, A beautiful rose for a beautiful woman.
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Speaker 1: And it wasn't to me, you know, all h E
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Speaker 1: l would break loose. Dave Matt tell me about these postings.
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Speaker 1: How dare he friend her friend after he's killed her.
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Speaker 1: He's basically coming on to her online.
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Speaker 6: I think he was the ultimate con man, trying to
32:25
Speaker 6: cover his tracks by trying to get this woman who
32:28
Speaker 6: did not like him, but trying to get her to
32:30
Speaker 6: warm up to him to continue his con But there's
32:33
Speaker 6: something else very interesting about his pattern over the years.
32:36
Speaker 6: In his first marriage, where he was married for seven years,
32:39
Speaker 6: he and that wife stayed with Jamie Pheden at some
32:43
Speaker 6: point during the marriage, and Chapman told his wife to
32:47
Speaker 6: pretend that she was his sister so they could stay there.
32:52
Speaker 6: And that wife, Tammy, said that she that Chapman bled
32:55
Speaker 6: Jamie Drive every penny she had. Then after the divorce,
33:00
Speaker 6: she found a number of zip block baggies that Chapman
33:04
Speaker 6: had that had girls panties in these baggies with the
33:09
Speaker 6: a name written on the baggie. And the question is
33:12
Speaker 6: how many women did he possibly kill?
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Speaker 1: Okay, that's shedding a whole new light on this, and
33:19
Speaker 1: it was mentioned earlier by John Cardillo, who really hit
33:22
Speaker 1: the nail on the head. Are there other victims? I
33:25
Speaker 1: want you to take a listen to our friends at
33:27
Speaker 1: channel on eleven WPXI. This is Gabriel Gabrielle de Luca.
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Speaker 11: According to the criminal complaint, the suspect bound the victim's
33:33
Speaker 11: hands and feet with plastic zip ties and it fixed.
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Speaker 2: Her to a signpost.
33:37
Speaker 11: He then applied duct tape to her mouth and then
33:40
Speaker 11: to her nose until such a time that she was
33:42
Speaker 11: unable to breathe. Police say she suffocated, and Chapman then
33:45
Speaker 11: untied her, removed the tape in her clothing, and left
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Speaker 11: her there. According to detectives in Las Vegas. They did
33:51
Speaker 11: locate a body that fits many of the unique characteristics
33:54
Speaker 11: of Jamie.
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Speaker 12: Finding a body, you're going to have to do your
33:57
Speaker 12: due diligence to make sure that's the exact So until
34:01
Speaker 12: we receive actual confirmation that they have found her, I mean,
34:06
Speaker 12: there's always a possibility that she's still alive someone out there,
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Speaker 12: and we'd like to bring her home.
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Speaker 1: Wendy Patrick, This woman, Jamie Feden, has been described as sweet, gentle,
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Speaker 1: loving soul taken advantage of by a predator, and over
34:23
Speaker 1: all the years I've prosecuted and covered crimes, it just
34:27
Speaker 1: hurts me that the most tender and the most vulnerable
34:31
Speaker 1: people are the ones that become victims.
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Speaker 12: Matthew.
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Speaker 8: It's just heartbreaking. And part of the reason that these
34:37
Speaker 8: types of things happen, as you and I and John
34:39
Speaker 8: and doctor Marshall have no doubt always encountered, is that
34:43
Speaker 8: people that are less than the absolute physical ideal, less
34:48
Speaker 8: than the kind of intelligence most people would want, are
34:51
Speaker 8: uniquely susceptible to targeted attention. They're not used to receiving
34:55
Speaker 8: flattery or sexual attention of any kind, and they are
34:58
Speaker 8: also uniquelyvulnerable for exactly that reason. That's just what John
35:02
Speaker 8: Cardillo said earlier, that maybe this is somebody who does
35:06
Speaker 8: target this pool of individuals. And Dave Mack really kind
35:10
Speaker 8: of shed the light on what we've learned so far
35:13
Speaker 8: that brings it full circle, Nancy, to make it seem
35:16
Speaker 8: like this fits a profile of that kind of a man.
35:19
Speaker 8: And I would even add that what you pointed out
35:20
Speaker 8: about friending the friends of the victim also not only
35:24
Speaker 8: fits that profile, but also serves to further the narrative
35:27
Speaker 8: of this victum, somehow is still alive.
35:30
Speaker 1: We now know there acclaims Chapman mistreated Jamie, including using
35:34
Speaker 1: her for money, and there was an incident when Jamie
35:38
Speaker 1: arrived to a bar with Chapman with two black eyes.
35:42
Speaker 1: It goes on and on with this guy, John Matthew
35:46
Speaker 1: Chapman wrought in hell after a lifetime behind bars. Nancy
35:55
Speaker 1: Gray signing off goodbye friends,