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Credlin | 16 January · Credlin

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Speaker 1: PETERO Krandland Live on Sky News Australia.
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Speaker 2: Good evening, welcome to program break to have your company.
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Speaker 2: He's what's coming up tonight. We'll welcome yous of course,
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Speaker 2: overn i to the ceasefire and hostage deal between Israel
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Speaker 2: and Hamas. But it's a deal Israel should never have
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Speaker 2: had to make. Of course, the devil's in the detail.
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Speaker 2: We're going to cross lives Jerusalem for reaction and take
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Speaker 2: a closer look at the implications of Israel being forced
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Speaker 2: into a deal with terrorists. Woke bankers on notice, the
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Speaker 2: opposition leader lashing a decision to knock back loans on
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Speaker 2: spurious environmental grounds. Peter Dutton doesn't miss I'll show.
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Speaker 3: You a bit later on what he had to say.
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Speaker 2: Plus Live to the UK as well, Fears growing the
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Speaker 2: Starma government will legislate Islamophobia to shut down any legitimate
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Speaker 2: criticism of Islam, particularly around those groomy gangs. Now trust me,
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Speaker 2: the UK is the canary and the coal mine for
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Speaker 2: what's like headed our way and another sign that we're
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Speaker 2: headed to an election sooner rather than later. Bill short
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Speaker 2: And announcing overnight that he's leaving earlier than planned, forcing
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Speaker 2: the Prime Minister into a cab that reshuffled this morning.
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Speaker 4: It's essentially a shuffling of shares on the deck of
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Speaker 4: the Titanic. This is a government that is losing its
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Speaker 4: way and has lost its way over the course of
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Speaker 4: the last two and a half years.
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Speaker 2: But first, this weekend, the Liberal Party will have its
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Speaker 2: last major preselection prior to the federal election for the
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Speaker 2: New South Wales seat of Bradfield. Now, it was once
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Speaker 2: one of the safest Conservative seats of the country when
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Speaker 2: it was held by my old boss, doctor Brendan Nelson
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Speaker 2: on a margin of twenty percent plus, but at the
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Speaker 2: last election a teal cut that margin for the current
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Speaker 2: Liberal MP, Paul Fletcher to just five percent. Now there's
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Speaker 2: a number of people in the race, but there are
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Speaker 2: two main contenders to stand as a Liberal candidate in Bradfield.
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Speaker 2: The first is Warren Mundine, one of Australia's most prominent,
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Speaker 2: most sensible, most courageous Indigenous leaders who happens to be
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Speaker 2: a long time local on the seat. The other is
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Speaker 2: Giselle Capterian, a former Julie Bishop staffer, a tech expert
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Speaker 2: who was earlier pre selected for the seat of North Sydney,
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Speaker 2: the Teal seat that's been abolished in the latest redistribution. Now,
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Speaker 2: in addition to North Sydney, Capterarian also ran for pre
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Speaker 2: selection in the seat of Benelong but was unsuccessful. So
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Speaker 2: this is her third run for a federal seat. Now
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Speaker 2: for Warren Mundine, it's his second tilt after, at Scott
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Speaker 2: Morrison's request, he ran unsuccessfully for the seat of Gilmore.
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Speaker 2: Now I've no reason to doubt that Capterian isn't a
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Speaker 2: capable and decent person. She certainly got an impressive CV
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Speaker 2: and while it seems to have been airbrushed from her
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Speaker 2: social media, she was also on the side of the
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Speaker 2: no case in the recent Voice Voice referendum, so there's
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Speaker 2: a lot to recommend her. But as a female voter myself,
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Speaker 2: I got issues with the arguments being put up by
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Speaker 2: her supporters that only a woman can beat a teal
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Speaker 2: and that the best person to beat a teal is
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Speaker 2: someone who will outplay them at their own left wing
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Speaker 2: semi green game. Now, this is reportedly the sort of
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Speaker 2: argument being put around by people like a Liberal Deputy
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Speaker 2: leader Susan Lee, who came out today in support of Capterian.
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Speaker 2: There are three points to make here. First, this idea
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Speaker 2: that women only vote for other women and only vote
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Speaker 2: on so called women's issues, well it's not just false,
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Speaker 2: but it's demeaning. It assumes that we all suffer from
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Speaker 2: some kind of gender group thing. And frankly, I'm just
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Speaker 2: as focused on the economy and national security when I
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Speaker 2: vote as I am about so.
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Speaker 3: Called women's issues.
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Speaker 2: And aren't liberally supposed to be a party of merit
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Speaker 2: a party that picks the best person to run, not
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Speaker 2: the person who ticks all the right predetermined identity boxes.
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Speaker 2: And third, if only a left leaning liberal can beat
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Speaker 2: a Teal and not a conservative like Mundine, then how
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Speaker 2: did the left leaning Fletcher suffer a fifteen percent swing
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Speaker 2: against him last time? Because that line that you need
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Speaker 2: a Teal type to beat a Teal, well, that's dead wrong.
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Speaker 2: Other left leaning liberals like Tim Wilson, Trends Zimmerman, Jason Felinsky,
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Speaker 2: even a latter day moderate Josh Freedenberg or.
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Speaker 3: They all lost to Teals.
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Speaker 2: So that doesn't wash, especially when we know from the
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Speaker 2: A and u's comprehensive review into the last election that
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Speaker 2: four out of five Teal voters had never voted liberal
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Speaker 2: in their life that in fact they were tactical Labor
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Speaker 2: and Greens voters, not liberals that up ended the electoral map.
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Speaker 2: A left leaning liberal candidate does alongside a Teal is
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Speaker 2: sending conservatives in those seats oft to vote with protest
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Speaker 2: parties on the right. It splinters the liberal vote and
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Speaker 2: Labour and Green preferences help the Teal then to squeak through.
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Speaker 2: And what also concerns me here is that the people
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Speaker 2: back in Capterian tend to be those liberals like former
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Speaker 2: New South Wales Treasurer Nat Kean, who want to minimize
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Speaker 2: differences with our opponents rather than give voters a clear
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Speaker 2: and distinct choice. Now it's true that Capterian is much
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Speaker 2: younger than Mundane and could expect perhaps two decades in
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Speaker 2: the Parliament should she be elected. But as Mundane has
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Speaker 2: shown over a long public life, most recently in the
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Speaker 2: Voice debate where he criss crossed the country supporting Peter
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Speaker 2: Darton's position, he's got the energy of Donald Trump and
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Speaker 2: is a decade plus younger than the incoming US president.
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Speaker 2: As always, to me, the right candidate is the one
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Speaker 2: most qualified to do the best job. It's worth noting
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Speaker 2: that in other Teal held seats like Curtin and w
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Speaker 2: WA Goldstein in Victoria. The Liberals have pre selected men
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Speaker 2: to try and beat the Teals. But here in Bradfield
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Speaker 2: the line is what's got to be a woman again.
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Speaker 2: As a woman voter, I find that insulting. Any suggestion
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Speaker 2: too that the electors of Bradfield, a majority of whom
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Speaker 2: supported the Voice, wouldn't vote for Mundee in a Voice opponent. Well,
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Speaker 2: that's absurd, as I said Capterian, Well she also opposed
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Speaker 2: the Voice. Besides, those Libs are obsessing over the Teals
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Speaker 2: are fighting the last election, not this one. The Teals,
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Speaker 2: i think, were a unique product of twenty twenty two
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Speaker 2: when they gave an unhappy Liberal a chance to park
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Speaker 2: their protest vote against a disappointing coalition government, and a
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Speaker 2: lot of that vote, of course, was centered on dislike
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Speaker 2: of Scott Morrison. This time, the only way to protest
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Speaker 2: effectively against a really disastrous labor government is to vote Liberal,
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Speaker 2: not to support quasi green Teals who will more than
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Speaker 2: likely prop up any Minori Labor government if it comes
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Speaker 2: to that. Our Parliament would benefit from having fewer former
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Speaker 2: staffers and more national figures of substance in its ranks.
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Speaker 3: I mean, I reckon the.
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Speaker 2: Liberal Party is lucky that someone of Mundane's stature is
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Speaker 2: putting himself forward.
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Speaker 3: I just hope they make the most of it. All right,
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Speaker 3: let's stay with.
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Speaker 2: The Greens only this time not their rich teal friends.
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Speaker 2: But they're hard left bed follows led by Adam Bant
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Speaker 2: because the biggest risk this country faces is the prospect
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Speaker 2: of a banned Albanesi government.
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Speaker 4: There is no light ahead. If we have a banned
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Speaker 4: Albanesi government after the election, you can forget about salmon
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Speaker 4: farming in Tasmania. You can forget about the forestry industry
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Speaker 4: here in Tasmania.
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Speaker 3: Now, it's no.
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Speaker 2: Surprise that dun't use that form of words today because
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Speaker 2: that's where we're headed. If the Poles are accurate and
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Speaker 2: for all the tough talk about the Greens, the only
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Speaker 2: way that Anthony Albanezi can show that it really is
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Speaker 2: an opponent of the Greens is by telling the Labor
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Speaker 2: Party to preference them last flagging an anti Green ad
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Speaker 2: campaign as Labour did today. Well, that's just window dressing.
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Speaker 2: The PM can claim is a lifelong opponent of the Greens. Well,
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Speaker 2: he then sits on the fence on issues like salmon
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Speaker 2: fishing in Tasmania.
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Speaker 3: To pander to Green voters. But if it's fair income,
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Speaker 3: there's only one way to show it. Put the Greens last.
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Speaker 2: Petter Dutton's already put in the Greens last because of
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Speaker 2: their policies and the fact that their anti Semitism is
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Speaker 2: worse than Labors, And if alban Easy did the same, well,
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Speaker 2: the Greens would certainly lose three, probably all four of
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Speaker 2: their current seats in the House of Representatives. It would
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Speaker 2: largely drive the extremist party from our public life. The
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Speaker 2: fact that to date is unwilling to have this fight
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Speaker 2: says everything about the weakness of Albanesi. As much as
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Speaker 2: the Greens are a threat to labor, they're allowed to
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Speaker 2: survive when people like Albanese lack the guts to kill
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Speaker 2: them off. And he lacks the guts because deep down
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Speaker 2: he agrees with them. All right, let's get the headlines now,
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Speaker 2: Skyners political reporter cam Reddin.
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Speaker 5: Progress on the path to peace welcomed across the board.
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Speaker 6: This is a really important breakthrough.
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Speaker 5: We hope that it can be sustained, but Australia's Jewish
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Speaker 5: leaders remain wary of festering hatred at home following a
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Speaker 5: string of incidents and attacks.
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Speaker 3: Governments need to remain vigilant because it's.
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Speaker 7: Not just going to go away with the diplomatic agreement
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Speaker 7: in the Middle East.
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Speaker 6: I certainly hope and have consistently called for a lowering
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Speaker 6: of the temperature here.
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Speaker 5: As the election looms, the Prime Minister is freshening up
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Speaker 5: his team, promoting four women following the retirement of NDIS
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Speaker 5: Minister Bill Shorten.
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Speaker 6: The NDIS has changed so many lives, but there is
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Speaker 6: much work.
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Speaker 7: Still to do.
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Speaker 5: That work will fall to Amanda Rishworth, with Anna Lee
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Speaker 5: named to an assistant role. Finance Minister Katie Gallaher picks
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Speaker 5: up government services, while Aged Care and Sport Minister Anika
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Speaker 5: Wells has been promoted to cabinet.
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Speaker 4: It's essentially a shuffling of shares on the deck of
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Speaker 4: the Titanic.
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Speaker 5: The health of Australia's economy will be a key issue
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Speaker 5: on the campaign trail. Unemployment rose slightly for the month
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Speaker 5: of December as full time jobs fell while part time
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Speaker 5: positions rose.
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Speaker 7: These are stunning numbers when it comes to an economy
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Speaker 7: where growth has not been thick on the ground.
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Speaker 5: Cameron Redden's Sky News Canberra.
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Speaker 2: Right for more on those stories. Now I'm join my
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Speaker 2: Sky News host, the national affairs editor at a Daily Telegraph,
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Speaker 2: James Morrow, and our political reporter from Cambery. Sorry, and
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Speaker 2: just then Cam Reddin. We welcome to you both.
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Speaker 3: Cam.
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Speaker 2: It's the biggest story around the world today. Confirmation now
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Speaker 2: of course at this cease fire deal between Israel and Harmas.
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Speaker 2: Take us through what's been announced and the reaction of
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Speaker 2: our politicians here.
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Speaker 5: Yeah, it's been just about universally welcomed. Peter As you
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Speaker 5: can imagine President Biden Prime Minister Albineasy though both making
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Speaker 5: the point today that this does not mean the war
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Speaker 5: is over. It just means there's now a more concrete
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Speaker 5: pathway towards peace, and it all hangs on this first
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Speaker 5: of three phases, a six week pause to fighting, at
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Speaker 5: which time Hamas will release a third of the hostages. Australia,
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Speaker 5: the US, many others wanted all hostages out straight away.
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Speaker 5: That's not part of this deal. It will be a
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Speaker 5: staggered approach, so thirty three at first, and there'll be
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Speaker 5: more aid going into Gaza as well. During that six
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Speaker 5: week period. That's when talks will start about a permanent ceasefire.
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Speaker 5: Nobody knows exactly what the d details of that will
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Speaker 5: be yet, and it's only after we get to that
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Speaker 5: point that the world will start looking at rebuilding Gaza
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Speaker 5: and getting to some point where a Palestinian state could
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Speaker 5: be governed without hamass I guess from a local perspective
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Speaker 5: to Peter, the hope really is that this deal today
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Speaker 5: will put an end to some of the community unrest,
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Speaker 5: in some of the tensions, particularly in areas where we've
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Speaker 5: seen more than one hundred reports of anti Semitic incidents
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Speaker 5: in fifteen months. There is some skepticism though within the
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Speaker 5: Jewish community, and some weariness telling politicians, hey, don't let
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Speaker 5: your guard down on this warning that that threat remains
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Speaker 5: even if a ceasefire is effective.
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Speaker 2: There's a unique Australian complexion to this, James Morrow, highlighted
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Speaker 2: by some comments that Julian Lisa has just made on
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Speaker 2: Chris Kenny's program earlier tonight.
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Speaker 3: Let's play that comment from Julian Lisa.
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Speaker 8: So, I think the Prime Minister has to make it
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Speaker 8: very clear because those freed Palestinian prisoners, many of them
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Speaker 8: have committed violent crimes, are due to be sent to
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Speaker 8: a third country. And I want the Prime Minister to
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Speaker 8: guarantee to all Australians that he will not bring any
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Speaker 8: Palestinian prisoner who spent time in an Israeli child to
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Speaker 8: Australia because that will do nothing to make this country
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Speaker 8: safer for all Australians.
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Speaker 2: James Morrow, this has to be a non negotiable.
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Speaker 1: Well, absolutely it does. I mean there was already enough
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Speaker 1: community outrage I think over the hundreds or not thousands
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Speaker 1: of guards and refugees were brought over, and all of
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Speaker 1: the controversy over whether or not they had security checks
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Speaker 1: or not, what sort of danger they might pose to
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Speaker 1: the Australian community, and you know, in fact, who indeed
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Speaker 1: was asking for these people to come here and what
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Speaker 1: constituencies were they trying to satisfy with that the Albanizer
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Speaker 1: government has to rule this out absolutely firmly tonight, if
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Speaker 1: not first thing tomorrow morning, and say no, this will
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Speaker 1: not happen. Don't worry about that. We simply cannot take
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Speaker 1: anybody who's been involved with this. You know, if you
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Speaker 1: look at the reports from Israel on this, many of
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Speaker 1: these people, these are called security prisoners, and many of
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Speaker 1: them are terrorists with real blood on their hands. We
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Speaker 1: simply cannot have them anywhere near Australia.
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Speaker 2: Last year Bill Shorton announced his retirement from politics.
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Speaker 3: He did his validictory speech.
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Speaker 2: She was meant to go at the end of the
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Speaker 2: next round of parliamentary sittings. I think he had nine
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Speaker 2: sitting days or something left camp, but he's abruptly left overnight.
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Speaker 2: There's been an urgent reshuffle this morning from the Prime Minister.
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Speaker 2: Some people are saying to me this is pointing more
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Speaker 2: and more to an early election. I'm interested in your
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Speaker 2: take on that. And also there's a Dutton reshuffle in
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Speaker 2: the offing.
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Speaker 3: What do we know there? Yeah, there is.
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Speaker 5: My house is still bet on April twelve. But I've
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Speaker 5: got the go pag or the go bag pack just
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Speaker 5: in case we do go a little bit sooner than that.
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Speaker 5: Paid at it's pretty much election watched from now and
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Speaker 5: there are still some people thinking, look, these two weeks
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Speaker 5: in Feebury, these sitting periods that are locked in may
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Speaker 5: not happen. They're just there as a get out justin
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Speaker 5: the government needs another chance to sell itself to the
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Speaker 5: Australian people. But I'm still looking at April twelve for now.
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Speaker 5: For now, I suppose in terms of the government, this
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Speaker 5: is just getting its team ready to go. The team
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Speaker 5: is set now, barring misadventure or some other catastrophe. So
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Speaker 5: this is the team the PM will take to the
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Speaker 5: next election. In terms of Peter Dutton, you're right. The
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Speaker 5: one big chair that needs to be filled is who
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Speaker 5: will take on the Foreign portfolio from Simon Birmingham. There
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Speaker 5: may yet be a broader reshuffle to replace someone in
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Speaker 5: Paul Fletcher's role as well, given he's retiring too. So
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Speaker 5: those are the two that Peter Dutton will have to
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Speaker 5: work on. He said that's coming soon. I would expect
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Speaker 5: that before Parliament sits. If it does indeed sit in February.
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Speaker 3: Well let's go to the United States.
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Speaker 2: The outgoing US President, Joe Biden had his final address
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Speaker 2: from the Oval Office today, promising a smooth transition to power,
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Speaker 2: but he took a few jabs at the incoming president.
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Speaker 3: Haven't listen.
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Speaker 5: We know the.
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Speaker 9: Idea of America, our institution, our people are value that
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Speaker 9: uphold it, are constantly being tested. Believing in the idea
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Speaker 9: of America means respecting the institutions govern a free society.
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Speaker 9: The presidency, the Congress, the courts, a free and independent press.
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Speaker 9: We need to amend the constitution to make clear that
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Speaker 9: no president, no president, is immune from crimes that he
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Speaker 9: or she commits while at office. Americans are being buried
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Speaker 9: under an avalanche of misinformation and disinformation enabling the abuse
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Speaker 9: of power. The free press is crumbling. Social media is
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Speaker 9: giving up on fact checking. The truth is smothered by
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Speaker 9: lies told for power and for profit. We must hold
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Speaker 9: the social platform and accountable. Today, an oligarchy is taking
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Speaker 9: shape in America of extreme wealth, power and influence that
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Speaker 9: literally threatens our entire democracy.
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Speaker 2: I think it was that oligarchy line that John the
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Speaker 2: most made, because you know clearly it's a thinly veiled
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Speaker 2: jab at Elon Mosker, and I guess the Trump family
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Speaker 2: as well.
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Speaker 3: But I mean the Democrats have profited for years and
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Speaker 3: years and years from their own.
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Speaker 2: Oligarchy, and I mean the Blunks just nepotism to me,
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Speaker 2: He's just pardoned his own son. It's amazing how irrelevant
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Speaker 2: he's become before he's even departed.
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Speaker 1: Peter, these were the ramblings of an angry, bitter loser.
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Speaker 1: He is a one term president who lost the presidency
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Speaker 1: after he was unable to manage his way through that debate,
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Speaker 1: you know, all those months ago, for him to talk
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Speaker 1: about all of the things that he talked about there.
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Speaker 1: I was listening to it. I could not believe it.
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Speaker 1: I mean, you know, take the oligarch line. What was
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Speaker 1: it just last week he gave a Presidential Medal of
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Speaker 1: Freedom to George Soros. I mean, come on, seriously, are
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Speaker 1: we serious about this? For him to be using his
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Speaker 1: shillary Clinton and Hillary Clinton and to go on, you know,
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Speaker 1: from there, to be talking about fact checkers and misinformation
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Speaker 1: when this is the guy who you know, had everybody
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Speaker 1: set it up so that you couldn't talk about the
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Speaker 1: Hunter Biden laptop before the election in twenty twenty. You know,
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Speaker 1: this whole thing, his entire administration has been about misinformation
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Speaker 1: and disinformation and censorship. You know, you heard Mark Zuckerberg,
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Speaker 1: who I don't normally have a lot of time for,
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Speaker 1: on Rogan the other day and he was talking about
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Speaker 1: how the Biden administration heavy them to put their version
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Speaker 1: of the facts out. You know, all of this stuff.
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Speaker 1: It was petty, it was bitter, it was small minded,
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Speaker 1: it was rambling. The speech writers are clearly already packed
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Speaker 1: and left the White House for that thing to go out.
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Speaker 1: It was just a bizarre, bitter speech, and I think
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Speaker 1: it just summed up a presidency. And I can tell you,
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Speaker 1: Peter that there's been a new poll here that has
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Speaker 1: come out and said that sixty one percent of Americans
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Speaker 1: view his presidency as a failure. So I mean, that's
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Speaker 1: the final verdict, the verdict of the American people. We
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Speaker 1: had it in November, We've got it now, We've got
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Speaker 1: it with that speech. And you know, Cyanara Biden.
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Speaker 2: Wow, that's almost two thirds of the country. We know
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Speaker 2: that two thirds of the country barely even so that's
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Speaker 2: very telling.
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Speaker 3: Thank you to you both.
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Speaker 1: Right.
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Speaker 2: I want to return to that news overnight of the
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Speaker 2: deal between Israel and hamas a cease fire, of course,
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Speaker 2: and the long overdue return of the remaining hostages. Incredibly welcome,
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Speaker 2: absolutely given the toll this has taken on everyone around
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Speaker 2: the world who has looked on in horror after October seven.
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Speaker 2: But it's hard not to be wary of what comes
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Speaker 2: next given that the fact that Israel's been forced into
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Speaker 2: a deal with the terrorist devil. So what's been the
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Speaker 2: reaction in Israel and the Middle East more broadly, and
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Speaker 2: what comes next to the only democracy in the region.
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Speaker 2: Joining me now from Jerusalem is Israel's former ambassador to Australia,
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Speaker 2: Mark so Far. Mark, welcome, Thank you for your time.
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Speaker 2: I really wanted to hear from you tonight if I can,
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Speaker 2: given your friendship with Australia and obviously.
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Speaker 3: Proximity to this deal. What's your read on?
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Speaker 2: And I said, it's a deal with the devil, of
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Speaker 2: course it is. But what sort of alternative did Israel have?
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Speaker 10: Well, I'm not speaking, of course, for the government, as
20:24
Speaker 10: I've said not once or twice on this and other programs.
20:28
Speaker 10: I'm not very in cahoots with this particular government that
20:34
Speaker 10: we have. But you're right, of course, we had no choice.
20:37
Speaker 10: You know, there's a Jewish saying Petter, which says that
20:40
Speaker 10: the heart is in jubilation while the eyes are weeping,
20:44
Speaker 10: and I think this very much sums up the situation
20:47
Speaker 10: we are in right now. We had no choice. We
20:49
Speaker 10: had to go for it because the hostages were languishing,
20:52
Speaker 10: almost one hundred in the tunnels and the filth of Gaza,
20:57
Speaker 10: and yet it had to be done. There is no choice.
21:02
Speaker 10: It's it's people are very wary here. On the one hand,
21:05
Speaker 10: that they are happy, of course that the war would
21:07
Speaker 10: come in to an end, most of us, they are
21:09
Speaker 10: happy that the hostages will be freed. But we're talking
21:13
Speaker 10: here about Hamas, We're talking about the devil, as you say,
21:16
Speaker 10: and one never knows in a protracted negotiation and resolution
21:21
Speaker 10: that we have right now, which will take many weeks,
21:24
Speaker 10: what will what time will bring out for all of us.
21:27
Speaker 10: And we're a bit worried and apprehensive.
21:32
Speaker 2: What's been the inflection point here? Or was it the
21:35
Speaker 2: coming presidency of Donald Trump? Is that what moves the needle?
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Speaker 10: You know, sometimes for negotiations to come to a conclusion,
21:46
Speaker 10: the stars need to align. I'm not talking here about
21:48
Speaker 10: any metaphysical sense, but I think that a number of
21:52
Speaker 10: factors played in here. One of them is, of course,
21:55
Speaker 10: the Trump coming into the power of the Trump administration.
21:59
Speaker 10: I think the weakening of the Camas, the weakening of
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Speaker 10: the proxies of the Kamas, or the alliances of the
22:05
Speaker 10: Camas such as is Blat or the Syrians, and certainly
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Speaker 10: the Iranians. I think the pressure inside of is on
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Speaker 10: the Israeli government to come to a deal and not
22:14
Speaker 10: to start playing petty politics over the importance of the hostages,
22:20
Speaker 10: and also I think that we cannot ignore the Biden
22:23
Speaker 10: administration's efforts as well. All of these things now have
22:27
Speaker 10: sort of gelled into one major issue and have allowed facilitated.
22:32
Speaker 10: As you say, of course Trump pressure. Trump wish to
22:36
Speaker 10: have this behind us, behind him by the time he
22:39
Speaker 10: comes to power, and this has brought about I think
22:42
Speaker 10: this is the inflection or the inflections if you will,
22:47
Speaker 10: as to where we are now or how we got
22:49
Speaker 10: to where we've got to.
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Speaker 2: Okay, after the return of the hostages, I want to
22:55
Speaker 2: talk about what happens next, because there are a number
22:58
Speaker 2: of stages and alluded in that towards the end is
23:02
Speaker 2: the reconstruction of Gaza. Now that'll be hundreds of billions
23:06
Speaker 2: of dollars. How do you prevent that money, yet again
23:10
Speaker 2: being used to prop up terrorism.
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Speaker 10: Well, of course, you never have one hundred percent, fail
23:16
Speaker 10: safe and fool proof way of stopping terrorists. Extremists will
23:20
Speaker 10: always try to carry out the nefarious ways whatever they do.
23:23
Speaker 10: I think though, however, we're in a situation where the
23:26
Speaker 10: entire Arab world, or the forward looking Arab world, which
23:30
Speaker 10: is the most majority of it right now, the international
23:33
Speaker 10: community as a whole, and Israel and the Palestinians. I
23:37
Speaker 10: think I'm no longer in any type of frame of
23:40
Speaker 10: mind to let this type of thing happen again. So
23:42
Speaker 10: everything is now hook line and sinker stopping the camas
23:48
Speaker 10: or terrorists from taking over once again in Gaza. We've
23:51
Speaker 10: seen I've seen the Australian pronouncements on it, which we
23:56
Speaker 10: say unequivocally that Hamas will never have a in a
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Speaker 10: future Gaza administration. And I think that's the correct point
24:08
Speaker 10: and the correct approach to take, and I know that
24:09
Speaker 10: it encompasses all Australian people, not just this government, and
24:13
Speaker 10: certainly all other parties except for maybe the extremest ones.
24:18
Speaker 10: So yes, I think there's an international effort and international
24:22
Speaker 10: will of enormous proportion to stop from us coming back
24:27
Speaker 10: into power. But we don't have Australia as our neighbor.
24:30
Speaker 10: We have some terrible neighbors around here, and so we're
24:34
Speaker 10: never free to know what's going to happen and bank
24:37
Speaker 10: on the fact that we're going to have a normalcy
24:40
Speaker 10: in the region.
24:43
Speaker 2: I will point out, of course, the Australian government, for
24:45
Speaker 2: those nice words today, still is funding with plenty of
24:49
Speaker 2: millions of dollars from taxpayers here, UNRAH and other dubious organizations,
24:53
Speaker 2: but you know, okay, let's get through this deal. On
24:57
Speaker 2: the other side of that, there's a really big challenge
25:00
Speaker 2: for Israel and Western countries like Australia that have seen
25:04
Speaker 2: this change in attitudes amongst some quarters, not all about
25:08
Speaker 2: Israel and it's legitimacy. We've seen that at universities, and
25:12
Speaker 2: we've obviously got this broader problem with international fora like
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Speaker 2: the United Nations.
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Speaker 3: How do we deal with that?
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Speaker 5: Mark?
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Speaker 10: Well, first of all, I agree with you about UNWUAN
25:23
Speaker 10: and the government, with all of us, even those who
25:25
Speaker 10: are against our current government, that the flaws of UNU
25:29
Speaker 10: are so massive that we don't think it should be
25:33
Speaker 10: it should be funded in any way. But that's a
25:37
Speaker 10: different issue. You know, if I quoted a Jewish statement
25:40
Speaker 10: before as actiom before quote an Arab one now which says,
25:46
Speaker 10: you know the dogs yet, but the caravan marches on.
25:50
Speaker 10: The young people have no clue what many of them
25:52
Speaker 10: have no clue at all what's happening in them. At
25:54
Speaker 10: least they've joined on some sort of bandwagon. They've put
25:57
Speaker 10: aside all sorts of thoughts of what happened on the
26:00
Speaker 10: seventh of October, that that doesn't exist for many of them.
26:03
Speaker 10: Some criticism is legitimate, some is anti Semitics, some is
26:08
Speaker 10: knee jerk jumping on the bandwagon. And the United Nations, well, frankly,
26:14
Speaker 10: the United Nations has maneuvered itself into irrelevancy. It could
26:17
Speaker 10: have played and it should be playing a major role
26:19
Speaker 10: in solving them at least issues between Israelis and Palestinians,
26:23
Speaker 10: between Israel and the Arab world as a whole. But
26:26
Speaker 10: it's an irrelevant player.
26:27
Speaker 3: You know.
26:27
Speaker 10: We had a former Foreign Minister, Abba Eban who said
26:32
Speaker 10: that if Israel were to proposed in the United Nations
26:35
Speaker 10: that the world was round, the United Nations will vote
26:38
Speaker 10: that it's flat. So we know what the United Nations is,
26:42
Speaker 10: We know their contributional lack of to them at least,
26:46
Speaker 10: and that includes the General Assembly and of course the
26:50
Speaker 10: Secretariat as well. So I think within that we have
26:53
Speaker 10: to look to other players, and we're looking at them,
26:56
Speaker 10: such as our friends in the West, including Australia, and
27:01
Speaker 10: especially first and foremost the United States. And the future
27:05
Speaker 10: is precarious. As I said earlier, this is the middle East.
27:09
Speaker 10: This isn't an area of tranquility and calm.
27:17
Speaker 2: Yeah, but I say this from a long way away.
27:19
Speaker 2: Israel's future is the world's future. I mean, we all
27:23
Speaker 2: need Israel to continue to survive and succeed and flourish. Sender,
27:27
Speaker 2: you absolutely have the commitment from all right minded thinking
27:31
Speaker 2: Australians here. Mark, thank you for your time tonight, and
27:34
Speaker 2: I know this press on your time. I really appreciate
27:36
Speaker 2: thank you all right after break, Peter Dutton puts woken
27:40
Speaker 2: bankers on notice after lenders have refused loans on so
27:43
Speaker 2: called environmental grounds. Was a bit later on the flaw
27:46
Speaker 2: definition of Islamophobia. They could seriously stifle our ability to
27:51
Speaker 2: honestly and openly discuss the risk of Islamist terrorism.
27:55
Speaker 3: More on that soon.
28:00
Speaker 2: Welcome back this push out of the UK for an
28:02
Speaker 2: official legal definition of islamophobia. IRA again it's to shut
28:07
Speaker 2: down debate. We'll get to that in the moment. But first,
28:09
Speaker 2: earlier this week it was revealed that both Bendigo and
28:12
Speaker 2: Adelaide banks had knocked back alone to a Tasmanian logging
28:15
Speaker 2: company on environmental grounds. Well this morning, Peter dun And,
28:19
Speaker 2: while they was visiting the marginal Tasmanian seat of Lions.
28:22
Speaker 3: The PM was there this week as well. Well. They
28:25
Speaker 3: didn't miss while taking aim at the banks.
28:28
Speaker 4: I think this whole woke agenda and the approach of
28:33
Speaker 4: chief executives trying to please industry super funds and proxy
28:38
Speaker 4: voters and the rest of it has to come to
28:39
Speaker 4: an end. If there is a customer of Bendigo Bank
28:43
Speaker 4: who is an employee within the forestry industry, are they
28:48
Speaker 4: going to stop banking that customer?
28:52
Speaker 2: Got on your Petter Darton and joining me now to
28:54
Speaker 2: discuss it more. Environment editor at The Australian, a good
28:57
Speaker 2: friend at the Credlin Program, Graham. Lloyd, welcome back for
29:00
Speaker 2: twenty twenty five, Graham. All the issues are still on
29:04
Speaker 2: the table, though when pretty strong words. I love it
29:07
Speaker 2: when the politicians go against the woke. Peter Dutton saying
29:10
Speaker 2: there's not just against the views here of Bendigo an
29:14
Speaker 2: Adelaide bank. I mean, I think he's underscoring a point
29:17
Speaker 2: that we've seen globally, haven't we about lenders basically playing
29:22
Speaker 2: politics through their lending policies on environmental grounds.
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Speaker 11: That's right, Peter, good evening, Well, Peter button Dunt has
29:31
Speaker 11: really been on the front foot calling these sort of
29:35
Speaker 11: things out. And the context here is we're saying that
29:39
Speaker 11: timber is becoming the new coal, and environment groups and
29:44
Speaker 11: super funds and other things are pressuring banks not to
29:47
Speaker 11: lend to the industry because they have an agenda really
29:51
Speaker 11: to close it down. Peter Dunne's stood up and he said, look,
29:55
Speaker 11: this is ridiculous. Banks actually fulfill a social purpose, which
30:00
Speaker 11: is to keep the economy ticking, and that includes lending
30:05
Speaker 11: money to viable businesses.
30:09
Speaker 2: Gray, let's clear up this furfee with the timber industry. Well,
30:13
Speaker 2: first of all, we need timber. Most of our home
30:16
Speaker 2: housing frames still require timber. If we don't grow timber
30:20
Speaker 2: in Australia, and timber is sustainable, it's renewable, it's Sequesta's carbon.
30:27
Speaker 2: If we don't grow timber in Australia, we'll import timber
30:30
Speaker 2: from places where they've got no environmental rules. I mean,
30:34
Speaker 2: I think is wrong headed. But am I missing something here?
30:39
Speaker 1: No?
30:39
Speaker 11: I think you're right. But an overwhelming proportion of the
30:43
Speaker 11: industry is plantation timbers, which is all very good. We're
30:48
Speaker 11: really talking about a small portion of the industry which
30:51
Speaker 11: is in higher value timbers, and also chipping, which is
30:56
Speaker 11: way more controversial. The environment business is looking at the
31:03
Speaker 11: returns for the shareholders or owners of the state forests
31:08
Speaker 11: and saying, look, they don't really get a lot of
31:10
Speaker 11: return on it, so they're really trying to find alternate uses.
31:15
Speaker 11: But to deny lending and other measures like that, that's
31:19
Speaker 11: really just going around the back door.
31:23
Speaker 2: All right, you mentioned state forests. There's a complexion to
31:27
Speaker 2: that in Queensland because isn't there some sort of scheme
31:32
Speaker 2: up there to create carbon credits by locking up public forests?
31:37
Speaker 3: What's that me there?
31:40
Speaker 11: Well, there is what's called really a configuration that will
31:46
Speaker 11: allow forests that would ordinarily been cut if they're not
31:50
Speaker 11: cut down, the carbon stores that are saved can be
31:55
Speaker 11: traded if you like to offset emissions from industries. Mister
32:01
Speaker 11: Bowen is looking at approving this methodology, which is something
32:06
Speaker 11: that the environment groups have been pushing for in the
32:08
Speaker 11: background because they think if they can get that then
32:12
Speaker 11: they can start building a business case for carbon stores
32:17
Speaker 11: to be of more value than the timber that's extracted.
32:21
Speaker 11: There's a lot of people that don't like the methodology.
32:24
Speaker 11: The industry thinks that will put them out of business
32:27
Speaker 11: and perhaps they're right, but there's also an economic angle
32:33
Speaker 11: to this. What is the best financial use of these
32:35
Speaker 11: resources and what is the best way to manage them
32:39
Speaker 11: and employ people to make sure they're not a fire
32:42
Speaker 11: risk and an unused piece of wilderness that's really not
32:46
Speaker 11: doing anyone any good.
32:50
Speaker 2: Let's stay with the banking issue, because in contrast of
32:53
Speaker 2: any goo in Adelaide, we've got Macquarie Bank now saying
32:56
Speaker 2: it will not commit to green targets, with the Global
32:59
Speaker 2: Investment Manager saying that the net zero by twenty fifty
33:04
Speaker 2: target is unclear, it's not on the table. Is this
33:09
Speaker 2: some sort of shift in the corporate world that we
33:11
Speaker 2: can attribute so perhaps to Donald Trump? Or is this
33:14
Speaker 2: going to be the new normal? What's going on here?
33:19
Speaker 11: Well, they don't call mcquarie Bank the millionaires factory for nothing,
33:23
Speaker 11: and that's because they can see over the horizon where
33:26
Speaker 11: things are going. And in twenty twenty, mcquarie was very
33:31
Speaker 11: aggressive in saying it's going to have a net zero
33:34
Speaker 11: twenty forty target, it's going to police its investments to
33:39
Speaker 11: ensure they fit in with that. And for their troubles,
33:43
Speaker 11: they've been roundly criticized by investment groups and superannuation funds
33:48
Speaker 11: and others for not meeting them well enough. The experience
33:52
Speaker 11: for mcquarie has been well, it's easy to talk about,
33:55
Speaker 11: it's hard to do. And actually there's a lot more
33:58
Speaker 11: money in investing in oil and gas and other things,
34:01
Speaker 11: particularly with what's happened in Europe. So we're now seeing
34:05
Speaker 11: Macquarie starting to backtrack and sort of not be outspoken
34:10
Speaker 11: on these commitments it's made in the past. And certainly
34:13
Speaker 11: that is something you can see right across the board
34:16
Speaker 11: in the big end of town, the black Rocks and
34:18
Speaker 11: the others where they were very aggressive publicly in the past.
34:23
Speaker 11: Now they're keeping their council and I think they can
34:26
Speaker 11: see that the world is about to change.
34:30
Speaker 3: I'll tell you what I've said this for a long time.
34:32
Speaker 2: If net zero is propped up by subsidies from taxpayers,
34:37
Speaker 2: all the rents seekers come in and want a piece
34:40
Speaker 2: of the action. But if you make renewables and all
34:43
Speaker 2: the other attributes of net zero have to stack up commercially,
34:48
Speaker 2: there's a flight of capital. You can see that right away.
34:50
Speaker 2: Thanks Grahame, grow to have you back on deck as always.
34:53
Speaker 2: Right after the break, we'll go to London. I want
34:55
Speaker 2: to talk about not just the brooming scandal, but this
34:58
Speaker 2: attempt by Labor there Starmer's Labor to use islamophobia the
35:02
Speaker 2: term as a political weapon, but's here at home. ALP
35:06
Speaker 2: campaigners have hired an ad company to help take on
35:08
Speaker 2: the Greens, but at the same time the PM still.
35:11
Speaker 3: Takes their preferences. I mean this his hypocrisy, writ Large
35:21
Speaker 3: welcome back.
35:21
Speaker 2: I want to head down to the United Kingdom, where
35:23
Speaker 2: the Starma government's under pressure to scrap its proposed definition
35:27
Speaker 2: of Islamophobia over fears it will threaten free speech. A
35:31
Speaker 2: definition drafted by the All Party Parliamentary Group on British
35:34
Speaker 2: Muslims has already been adopted internally by Starmer's large Labor.
35:40
Speaker 2: Now the definition reads Islamophobia is rooted in racism and
35:44
Speaker 2: is a type of racism the target's expressions of Muslimness
35:48
Speaker 2: or perceived muslimness. Conservative leader Kemmy bad Knock has warned
35:53
Speaker 2: it wouldn't be possible to discuss the grooming gang scandal
35:56
Speaker 2: properly if his definition was in place.
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Speaker 12: The Labor Party has adopted the EPPG definition of Islamophobia.
36:06
Speaker 12: That same EPPG report, so talking about sex groomers was
36:10
Speaker 12: an example of Islamophobia. This is exactly why people are
36:14
Speaker 12: scared to tell the truth.
36:18
Speaker 2: Johnamen now to discuss this and more. News Corps UK
36:20
Speaker 2: correspondent Sophie Ellsworth. Well, sophiir, I mean you heard Kenny
36:25
Speaker 2: bad Knock there. I know it's a hot debate, this
36:28
Speaker 2: definition of Islamophobia. Do you think those are valid concerns
36:32
Speaker 2: raised by the new Conservative leader?
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Speaker 13: Yeah, great to be with you, Peter. Absolutely, they are
36:39
Speaker 13: very valid concerns and there's a lot of widespread concern
36:42
Speaker 13: that this will create problems with freedom of speech. People
36:46
Speaker 13: will be scared to talk about the islam community and
36:51
Speaker 13: then it will curtail their ability to discuss issues and
36:56
Speaker 13: widespread problems in this country, including the grooming gang's problem.
37:00
Speaker 13: So this is incredibly concerning and as you can see,
37:04
Speaker 13: Labor have already adopted this internally. They have a massive
37:07
Speaker 13: majority here in the Parliament, and there's concerns that if
37:11
Speaker 13: this does get in, people will be scared to speak publicly.
37:17
Speaker 2: Yeah, just on the grooming gang's scandal. And I really
37:21
Speaker 2: dislike that term grooming because I think it underplays a
37:25
Speaker 2: seriousness of what was the systemic rape of underage girls
37:29
Speaker 2: by Muslim gangs in places like Rotherham in England.
37:32
Speaker 3: There are more and more calls now for an inquiry.
37:34
Speaker 2: And given the allegations that it was Keirs Starmer himself
37:38
Speaker 2: who failed to tackle the issue when he was the
37:41
Speaker 2: head of Director of Public Prosecutions at the time, where's
37:46
Speaker 2: this headed. Given he's the Prime Minister now and if
37:49
Speaker 2: there's definitions in place, this shuts down a hot political
37:53
Speaker 2: issue for him right now.
37:57
Speaker 5: That's right, Peter.
37:58
Speaker 13: This groomings grooming gang's issue as they keep calling it
38:02
Speaker 13: over here, is not going away and there's concerns that
38:06
Speaker 13: it wasn't dealt with properly at the time. And as
38:09
Speaker 13: you said, much of this is related to rape and
38:12
Speaker 13: people are not really saying the word rape, they're constantly
38:15
Speaker 13: using the term grooming gangs. There was a vote in
38:18
Speaker 13: Parliament to try to amend a bill to have a
38:21
Speaker 13: national inquiry into this, and that was voted down clearly
38:24
Speaker 13: because Labor has a massive majority over here. But the
38:29
Speaker 13: issue is not going away, and there's concern that this
38:32
Speaker 13: whole matter was not dealt with appropriately at the time
38:36
Speaker 13: Keith Starma was the DPP, and there's calls for a
38:39
Speaker 13: national inquiry continuing, but it looks like it's not going
38:42
Speaker 13: to happen.
38:45
Speaker 2: Yeah, it's extraordinary and it wasn't just rather them, as
38:47
Speaker 2: people know, it was right across the great parts of
38:50
Speaker 2: northern England. Let's go another very vexed issue, because there
38:55
Speaker 2: are plans and I had to watch this a few
38:58
Speaker 2: times and read a bit more about it, there are
38:59
Speaker 2: plans to police what punters can discuss at the pub. Now,
39:04
Speaker 2: to listen to this, this is Reform Party leader Nigel
39:07
Speaker 2: Farage giving us a bit of an explanation.
39:10
Speaker 14: So why do we go down the pub. We go
39:12
Speaker 14: for a drink and to have a chat and a debate,
39:14
Speaker 14: and every pub's a parliament. And yet the New Employment
39:16
Speaker 14: Writes Bill to protect staff working in pubs will say
39:20
Speaker 14: we can't debate protected characteristics, we can't debate gender identity,
39:25
Speaker 14: we can't debate ethical veganism. In fact, we can't have
39:30
Speaker 14: any proper chat and debate in a pub whatsoever under
39:34
Speaker 14: this Bonker's insane new labor legislation.
39:40
Speaker 2: So when I come to London and I catch up
39:43
Speaker 2: with you, when we go to your local boozer and
39:45
Speaker 2: we sit up at the at the bar and you've
39:47
Speaker 2: got your pint and I've got my pint. We want
39:49
Speaker 2: to talk about, you know, death, life in the universe.
39:53
Speaker 2: If we err onto any of these characteristics.
39:57
Speaker 3: Or they're going to lock us up. I mean, is
39:59
Speaker 3: this seriously on the table?
40:02
Speaker 13: Well, it is seriously on the table, Peter. And who
40:04
Speaker 13: on earth is going to police this? It's going to
40:06
Speaker 13: be incredibly hard to police what you're yapping about at
40:09
Speaker 13: the pub. It's going to be pretty grim if you're
40:11
Speaker 13: going down to the pub to have a chat with
40:13
Speaker 13: your mates thinking you can speak freely and then be
40:16
Speaker 13: told you can't talk about veganism, transphobia or various other
40:22
Speaker 13: issues and out you go onto the street. So pretty concerning.
40:25
Speaker 13: Nigel Frage has called this out, but it's going to
40:28
Speaker 13: be pretty grim time at the pub if you can't
40:31
Speaker 13: have a chat with your mates and speak freely.
40:35
Speaker 2: Hey, just quickly before we go. Australia days coming up.
40:37
Speaker 2: We know the High Commissioner over there, the former labor
40:39
Speaker 2: politician Steven Smith, doesn't much like our national Day.
40:43
Speaker 3: Are you going to celebrate it? Well, absolutely, Peter.
40:48
Speaker 13: It's an important day on our calendar, but it's going
40:51
Speaker 13: to be hard to celebrate it here because the High
40:53
Speaker 13: Commissioner is not doing anything on the day itself. His
40:58
Speaker 13: office won't tell me where on earth you will be
41:00
Speaker 13: on the day. It's a mystery. It's a secretsh and
41:03
Speaker 13: he's obviously caused a lot of uproar because he originally
41:06
Speaker 13: said he wasn't going to the GLA Australia Day gala event,
41:09
Speaker 13: which is a very big deal as you know over
41:11
Speaker 13: here with key business leaders. He's now going this is
41:15
Speaker 13: a mess. He's playing into Peter Dalton's hands and he
41:18
Speaker 13: should have dealt with this much better than this, Peter.
41:23
Speaker 2: Yeah, and he's so stupid if he doesn't remember that
41:25
Speaker 2: the biggest booth of voters and I'll be relevant come
41:29
Speaker 2: in the federal election outside of Australia is the London booth. Right,
41:33
Speaker 2: I'll over there so far, catch up me soon right
41:36
Speaker 2: after the break. The new advertising strategy which shows just
41:39
Speaker 2: how worried Labor really is about the Greens, plus the
41:42
Speaker 2: big corporates still trying to downplay Australia Day.
41:50
Speaker 3: Welcome back.
41:51
Speaker 2: Let's read my panel Paul and Hanson's chief of staff
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Speaker 2: James Ashby and columnist with The Spectator Terry Barnes Gens.
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Speaker 2: Welcome I'll start without band. He's told The Guardian that
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Speaker 2: a Labor Greens minority government will bring about what it
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Speaker 2: calls a golden era of progressive reform, confirming that his
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Speaker 2: party's main focus is stopping Peter Dutton from being elected. However,
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Speaker 2: Labor doesn't seem to share his vision. They're so worried
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Speaker 2: about the threat posed by the Greens they've hired an agency,
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Speaker 2: a very labor agency, to help them campaign against them.
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Speaker 2: This is the Shannan Group. It does a lot of
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Speaker 2: the ads for the union super funds. They've been brought in,
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Speaker 2: so says the Australian Financial Review today, to stave off
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Speaker 2: the challenge from the Greens in Labour's inner city battleground seats. Now, James,
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Speaker 2: help me square this circle. I find a baffling. So
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Speaker 2: Labour's going to spend millions and millions of dollars on
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Speaker 2: an ad strategy to defeat the Greens, but then share
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Speaker 2: preferences with them to keep them in the parliament.
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Speaker 3: Figure that out for me.
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Speaker 15: Yeah, the golden era it sounds more like a catchphrase
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Speaker 15: from ggping from China. It's frightening. Actually, the language very
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Speaker 15: frightening from the Greens. Ahead of this election. You're right,
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Speaker 15: it's going to be one of the biggest spends we'll
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Speaker 15: see in the history of Australian federal campaigns. This will
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Speaker 15: be the last election they're allowed to basically go willing
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Speaker 15: nearly with their spending. But you one hundred percent right
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Speaker 15: to say that Labor are in bed still with the Greens.
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Speaker 15: They took a big game of suggesting they don't want
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Speaker 15: to be in parliament with them, but the truth is
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Speaker 15: the preference arrangement is done with the Greens. Instead of
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Speaker 15: saying we're going to put them last and be disciplined
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Speaker 15: like one nation have been, we always say, now put
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Speaker 15: Labor and the Greens last. But instead Labor are actually
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Speaker 15: rewarding the Greens.
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Speaker 5: Here.
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Speaker 15: Sorry, that's my little dog with me and it's a
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Speaker 15: real concern to any Australian. We've got big problems ahead
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Speaker 15: because if the Greens do share that balance of power,
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Speaker 15: we're going to end up in a situation where we'll
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Speaker 15: get death duties returned. They might promise all these flash
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Speaker 15: things and little trinkets here and there, but at the
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Speaker 15: end of the day, someone's got to pay for it,
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Speaker 15: and we know who that will be. It'll be the
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Speaker 15: average working person, and there'll be sacrifices made from pensioners
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Speaker 15: out there just to satisfy the Greens. So we'll have
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Speaker 15: that balance of power. Don't do it give the balance
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Speaker 15: of power to a party like One Nation. We'll work
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Speaker 15: with the Coalition.
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Speaker 3: Terry.
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Speaker 2: If Labor put the Greens last on their preference deals,
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Speaker 2: it probably knock off I think at least a three.
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Speaker 2: I think bant my hang on in the seat of Melbourne.
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Speaker 2: There's currently four Greens in the House of Reps.
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Speaker 3: I reckon three would go.
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Speaker 2: I mean, if Labor's serious, the Prime Minister serious, he'd
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Speaker 2: do that, wouldn't he.
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Speaker 7: Well, if you had any decency in principle when it
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Speaker 7: comes to dealing with an anti capitalist, anti Semitic mob
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Speaker 7: like the Greens, absolutely should and certainly the Coalition's got
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Speaker 7: the right idea just as One Nation has in putting
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Speaker 7: the Greens last. And look, if Labor did that, there
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Speaker 7: might be a bit of a you know, ones he
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Speaker 7: goes one way, one that goes the other way. But
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Speaker 7: really we're talking about exactly as James said, do you
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Speaker 7: want chaos pulled to the left by this absolute rabble
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Speaker 7: of a mob. We don't, And that's look Labor and
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Speaker 7: Anthony ALBERNEEZI may play games with this, they may play
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Speaker 7: foot seat with Adam Bant, but we all lose.
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Speaker 2: We've got what I reckon James is a resurgence in
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Speaker 2: Australia Day. Peter Dutton even saying he is open to
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Speaker 2: legislation to protect our national Day on the twenty sixth
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Speaker 2: of January. But we've still got a whole lot of
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Speaker 2: big corporations allowing workers to decide if you don't like
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Speaker 2: Australia Day, if it triggers you, pick another day, take
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Speaker 2: another day off, have that as your public holiday. We're
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Speaker 2: talking about Telstra, We're talking about the entire public service,
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Speaker 2: Commonwealth Bank, Ossie Super. Come on, I mean we're either
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Speaker 2: for our National Day and we're patriotic or we're not.
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Speaker 3: This is Fence City.
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Speaker 15: Well, it is good to hear that Peter Dutton has
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Speaker 15: taken the same principal approach as Pauline Hanson and One
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Speaker 15: Nation have and we've always backed Australia Day, never changed
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Speaker 15: that day. In fact, we should lock it in a
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Speaker 15: discussion maybe at the next election of a referendum. At
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Speaker 15: the same time, ask Australians do you want it locked in.
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Speaker 15: We know already through the IPA sixty nine percent of
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Speaker 15: Australians support Australia Day. I don't want to see it go.
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Speaker 15: The only time labor care about Australia Day is when
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Speaker 15: it comes to penalty rates. If you mess with their
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Speaker 15: penalty rates, they'll have something to say. But in the
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Speaker 15: meantime they just let these corporates, the white corporates, get
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Speaker 15: away with it. And unfortunately we've got too many of
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Speaker 15: them that control take for example, Telstra, unless you're on
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Speaker 15: that network these days, it's pretty patchy out there, especially
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Speaker 15: since three G went. So where do you go to
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Speaker 15: if you want to try and punish these companies. There's
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Speaker 15: no real pushback that Australians have other than to get
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Speaker 15: out in force on Australia Day and show these white
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Speaker 15: companies that we do give a damn. We love Australia
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Speaker 15: and we're quite happy to celebrate it.
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Speaker 2: On the twenty sixth, it's taken about eight months, but
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Speaker 2: we've got our first arrest, or first serious arrest in
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Speaker 2: relation to anti Semitic attacks. Terry Barnes. The AFP confirmed
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Speaker 2: that this afternoon. But Victoria's Police Union and this is
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Speaker 2: quite extraordinary. They've come out and said the failure to
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Speaker 2: make an example of those responsible for these attacks, we
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Speaker 2: know some have gone before magistrates and basically been led off,
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Speaker 2: is making deterrence a risk. It's fueling this sort of hatred.
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Speaker 2: They want government, and this is particularly state governments, to
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Speaker 2: lift their game.
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Speaker 7: Well, absolutely they should, Peter, and really of the teenagers
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Speaker 7: who were let off with a sap on the wrist
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Speaker 7: by magistrates in Melbourne, they knew the nature and quality
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Speaker 7: of their act, they knew what they were doing. They
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Speaker 7: should have paid the price. They should have been convicted.
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Speaker 7: And look, if we're talking about the criminal law in
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Speaker 7: Victoria and maybe other states as well, being inadequate, then
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Speaker 7: why doesn't say the new Liberal leader in Victoria, Brad Baton,
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Speaker 7: come back to Parliament and resumes in februry with his
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Speaker 7: own private members bill, but is basically an anti Semitic
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Speaker 7: hate crimes bill and actually plugs the gaps of the law.
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Speaker 2: Just quickly we saw overnight bill shorten, the announce he
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Speaker 2: was going anyway, but he's going to leave even earlier,
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Speaker 2: and then there was this rushed reshuffle from the Prime
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Speaker 2: Minister this morning.
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Speaker 3: Are we going earlier? Do you think.
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Speaker 15: No, no, And the simple fact is that a casual
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Speaker 15: vacancy won't trigger a by election early, so it'll just
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Speaker 15: give their candidate down in that seat clear breathing space
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Speaker 15: to go on campaign. So we won't go early. It
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Speaker 15: will still be in April or May election for Australia.
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Speaker 2: All Right, we'll leave it there. Thank you, gentlemen. See
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Speaker 2: you both next week. Thanks for your company too. I'm
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Speaker 2: heading up to the Mallee tomorrow. I'll have some I
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Speaker 2: have some interesting stories to tell you next week. I'll
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Speaker 2: take plenty of footage to bring it back here to Kredline.
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Speaker 2: So watch this space. It'll be warm, don't worry, got
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Speaker 2: a hat with me, have a lot of the weekend.
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Speaker 2: He's Andrew Bolt.