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Should we take the Tigers' June bounceback seriously? · Tiger Territory: A Detroit Tigers Podcast

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  Speaker 1: And welcome into another episode of Tigers Territory. Part of
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  Speaker 1: the Ballot Territory Network is Tiger's Podcast. I'm Kieren Seckley
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  Speaker 1: with me as always a man who used to belong
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  Speaker 1: to a sandlot gang called the Yardi Boys.
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  Speaker 2: He is Cody Stavenhagen.
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  Speaker 3: How we doing and doing good? Karen? Tigers are The Tigers,
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  Speaker 3: by the way, are also doing well.
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  Speaker 2: They are a.
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  Speaker 3: Good team again. It seems they've won seven of nine,
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  Speaker 3: won three series in a row, hitting the ball all over.
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  Speaker 3: I don't know, man, I don't know what to make
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  Speaker 3: this team. It's so hard, and you know, it's about
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  Speaker 3: the one sixty two, right, and when you do when
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  Speaker 3: you go six and twenty two in a month, that
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  Speaker 3: makes the math for the rest of the one sixty
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  Speaker 3: two look tough. But it is about the one sixty two.
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  Speaker 3: So maybe we should stop doing this three times a
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  Speaker 3: week and we will do one podcast at the end
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  Speaker 3: of the season. Maybe that's the play, just like one
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  Speaker 3: at the beginning of the Yeah, yeah.
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  Speaker 2: Hey man.
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  Speaker 1: I mean that's part of it is that we have
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  Speaker 1: to just we have no choice but to react to
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  Speaker 1: what we're seeing and what we're seeing as a team
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  Speaker 1: that box score wise, and just physically. The dudes that
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  Speaker 1: are out there look different than what we experienced in
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  Speaker 1: that miserable month of May. And of course we've repeated
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  Speaker 1: this over and over again. The thing is, they just
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  Speaker 1: keep hitting. Here's the thing power on slot. Today we're
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  Speaker 1: recording this couple hours after an eleven zero victory over
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  Speaker 1: the Twins. Twenty three home runs code in the month
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  Speaker 1: of June twenty.
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  Speaker 2: Eighteen.
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  Speaker 1: In May, let's just go with runs, right, you gotta
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  Speaker 1: get runs. That's that's the name of the game. Six
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  Speaker 1: point eight eight in the month of June compared to
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  Speaker 1: two point eight to nine in the month of May.
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  Speaker 1: It is a different I'll say this, it's a different
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  Speaker 1: experience watching the Tiger right now than what we saw
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  Speaker 1: in the month of May.
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  Speaker 2: And it's about the one sixty two.
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  Speaker 1: That's the problem is that's not really true because because
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  Speaker 1: I mean, how many games are gonna be after the
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  Speaker 1: trade deadline. So it's really about like the games leading
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  Speaker 1: up to when you accept your fate, which that could
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  Speaker 1: that's gonna be different for every team in Major League Baseball.
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  Speaker 1: So the Tigers like their duty, I guess, is to
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  Speaker 1: kind of get it to be a one sixty two
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  Speaker 1: season in order to have all the possibilities in front
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  Speaker 1: of you. We have time to get to all of
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  Speaker 1: that stuff as well. But the thing is, and this
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  Speaker 1: was a discussion on local radio and on Twitter and
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  Speaker 1: even after this game. I think it's a good way
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  Speaker 1: to kind of start here more broadly, do we take
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  Speaker 1: the Tigers seriously? And my take on that is, I
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  Speaker 1: think you have to because every single extenuating circumstance that
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  Speaker 1: would lead you to have to be like, yes, we
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  Speaker 1: have to at least take them seriously, is in play here.
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  Speaker 1: All the injury schoogle coming back the Weak American League,
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  Speaker 1: like the Guardians right now are coming off a four
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  Speaker 1: game losing streak, right so, like there is everything still
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  Speaker 1: in front of you, and they are healthy and playing better,
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  Speaker 1: playing like remarkably better.
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  Speaker 2: In my opinion, you have to take them seriously. Now.
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  Speaker 1: That is different than making proclamations and and and sort
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  Speaker 1: of like saying like I would I would bet on
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  Speaker 1: this metaphorically bet on this happening for this team.
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  Speaker 2: That's different.
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  Speaker 1: But this is a team right now that looks like
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  Speaker 1: it could be at worst in the thick of things.
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  Speaker 1: And if you're in the thick of things, in my opinion,
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  Speaker 1: and you have the star power that they have, you
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  Speaker 1: have to take them seriously and so otherwise than what
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  Speaker 1: was the point of what we're just watched.
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  Speaker 2: Yeah, so that's that's my take on it.
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  Speaker 3: Yeah, I kind of agree. I'm really believe it or
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  Speaker 3: not not surprised that they're having a good stretch here.
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  Speaker 3: I said a million times I thought they were going
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  Speaker 3: to play better at some point this season. I just
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  Speaker 3: didn't know when that was going to come or if
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  Speaker 3: it was going to be too late. I mean, you
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  Speaker 3: could argue another bad ten days, two weeks and the
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  Speaker 3: math wasn't gonna really math. And they've picked it up
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  Speaker 3: kind of right right when they were really toeing the
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  Speaker 3: line of it pretty much being over. So good timing.
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  Speaker 3: You are also still eleven games under five hundred and
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  Speaker 3: even though you're five back of the wild card at
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  Speaker 3: the time we're recording this, a lot of other teams,
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  Speaker 3: you got a leap frog and outplay for the next
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  Speaker 3: what ninety two ninety three games whatever it is to
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  Speaker 3: get to get back in the hunt. I take them seriously.
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  Speaker 3: When they're at full strength, they're about to get Scooble back.
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  Speaker 3: This roster that I thought was a pretty good roster
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  Speaker 3: at the start of the year. Not a perfect roster,
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  Speaker 3: but a pretty good roster. I'd take it seriously. I
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  Speaker 3: think they I think they probably still have a better
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  Speaker 3: team at full strength in the Chicago White Sox. So
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  Speaker 3: there's a lot of season left. I have they dug
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  Speaker 3: too big of a hole, like that's still I don't know.
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  Speaker 3: I don't know how this is gonna end, but I
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  Speaker 3: do think this team is poised to make it interesting.
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  Speaker 3: Maybe buckle up, like I think we have some more
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  Speaker 3: ups and some more downs ahead. That's that's how I
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  Speaker 3: feel about it.
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  Speaker 1: Yeah, And and and the way that I process this
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  Speaker 1: is like, if it does look like the team that everybody,
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  Speaker 1: I mean everybody, you me, you know, casuals, experts like
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  Speaker 1: predicted to be a winning team, and they are winning
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  Speaker 1: games once they kind of come back into their own
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  Speaker 1: like injury wise, and you can't eat, then what I
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  Speaker 1: don't know what we're doing here? Then if you don't
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  Speaker 1: take it seriously, now, now the margin for error is shorter.
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  Speaker 1: They don't have like the grace of of a team
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  Speaker 1: that could kind of go through normal ups and downs
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  Speaker 1: because the down was so bad but as I said
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  Speaker 1: last week, two weeks ago, there's nothing to say that
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  Speaker 1: the up couldn't just be Newton's third law and have
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  Speaker 1: an equal or opposite reaction, because like, because as bad
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  Speaker 1: as that was, it's statistically just as improbable as them
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  Speaker 1: sending And you know, not trying to overreact here, but
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  Speaker 1: scoring seven runs a game a third of way through
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  Speaker 1: the month feels like a pretty nice bounce back on
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  Speaker 1: the curve. And eventually there will be some regression, we'll
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  Speaker 1: have a better idea of really what they are.
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  Speaker 2: But there's a track.
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  Speaker 1: Record with these guys as well that I think it's
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  Speaker 1: dismissed if you want to if you don't want to
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  Speaker 1: take them seriously, I think it's it's a difference between
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  Speaker 1: watching the games and box score reading and standings reading,
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  Speaker 1: like like right now, Like it's important obviously to know
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  Speaker 1: like what their record is, how many games back they are,
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  Speaker 1: and all that stuff, but ultimately, it doesn't matter if
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  Speaker 1: you keep winning or if you keep losing.
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  Speaker 2: You're either gonna go this way or that way.
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  Speaker 1: It like the playoffs aren't determined on June twelve, right, So,
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  Speaker 1: so to me, like, if you're watching this team, if
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  Speaker 1: you're seeing the little things that they're doing even today. Sackfly,
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  Speaker 1: you know, get a runner over Sackfly, score run first,
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  Speaker 1: you know, for you know, get on the board first,
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  Speaker 1: and then you let the power come through.
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  Speaker 2: Montero is excellent. We'll talk about those guys.
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  Speaker 1: Like we've seen too much of it to dismiss it,
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  Speaker 1: and then we've also been lacking enough to think, like,
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  Speaker 1: could could the variants swing this way for individual players
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  Speaker 1: not just the team. Cold Keith being an example, we
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  Speaker 1: finally got to see Cold Keith hit a home run.
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  Speaker 1: We believe there's a power element to his game. We
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  Speaker 1: don't necessarily think he's gonna go on and hit twenty
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  Speaker 1: six home runs this season. But one of the things
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  Speaker 1: that struck me postgame aj Hinch talking about Cold Keith
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  Speaker 1: was it was the confidence that he had in Cold
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  Speaker 1: Keith never really wavered. If you just kind of look
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  Speaker 1: at his action and the way that he was in
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  Speaker 1: the lineup. I'm just telling you, batting third in the
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  Speaker 1: order twenty nine games this year, twenty three games.
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  Speaker 2: Excuse me, that's the That's the most.
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  Speaker 3: Of any that's interesting.
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  Speaker 2: Everything else is kind of variance.
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  Speaker 1: So, like AJ like was putting him out there they
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  Speaker 1: can like it.
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  Speaker 2: It's in there, it just has to come out. And
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  Speaker 2: it's funny.
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  Speaker 1: We were talking after we recorded early morning Wednesday, and
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  Speaker 1: I was like, oh man, we didn't really talk about
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  Speaker 1: col Keith.
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  Speaker 2: A couple of good swings, well, a couple of good swings.
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  Speaker 1: He finally had a really good swing that counts for
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  Speaker 1: a home run and a funny moment. And and the
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  Speaker 1: way that those things look to me is a team
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  Speaker 1: that is playing goodball. Know they're playing goodball, know what
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  Speaker 1: they're capable, and we have to take seriously.
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  Speaker 3: I think that's a fair point. I think there's still
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  Speaker 3: plenty of things to like about this team. They had
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  Speaker 3: one of the worst offenses in baseball last month. They're
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  Speaker 3: probably better than that. Right now. They have what second
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  Speaker 3: best offense in baseball so far in June. They're probably
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  Speaker 3: not that good. We'll see how June EN's up. But
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  Speaker 3: you take the average of these two months and they
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  Speaker 3: might be an average offense. And I think that's probably
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  Speaker 3: about what they are. We'll talk about some specific starters,
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  Speaker 3: but you're about to get search Google back like your
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  Speaker 3: rotation is in pretty good shape overall. The one thing
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  Speaker 3: that gives me a little pause about their ability to
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  Speaker 3: make a real run at this thing. Is the bullpen
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  Speaker 3: four two zero bullpen in the ra I think that's
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  Speaker 3: been even worse since the start of May. And you
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  Speaker 3: just look at the names in there right now. It's
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  Speaker 3: pretty tough. I mean, it's tough to navigate the back
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  Speaker 3: end of games. Drew Anderson has come up in some
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  Speaker 3: big spots, but you're putting a lot of faith in
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  Speaker 3: Drew Anderson. Outside of Drew Anderson, you still don't have
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  Speaker 3: a lot of swing and miss. You know, you're gonna
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  Speaker 3: get Kinley Jansen back, which I think helps just the
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  Speaker 3: depth and the construction. But Jansen himself as a four
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  Speaker 3: to eight O era hasn't really been that good. Kyle Finnegan,
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  Speaker 3: the walks are too high, the fast ball is not
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  Speaker 3: performing as you would want well. Vest you know, we've
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  Speaker 3: seen some up and down outings from him, and I
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  Speaker 3: don't know, I guess we'll see how the Tigers navigate
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  Speaker 3: this next stretch with their rotation. Maybe if someone gets
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  Speaker 3: bumped to the pin, that could almost in a way
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  Speaker 3: serve as a little boost, but they could also be
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  Speaker 3: operating with a seven man pin going forward. Even projecting
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  Speaker 3: this out to like September. The bullpen has me nervous.
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• 10:30
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  Speaker 1: what he looks like when he comes back or maybe
• 12:02
  Speaker 1: maybe it won't because you said this, you know, fresh
• 12:05
  Speaker 1: off seeing him in West Michigan on Sunday, Like the
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  Speaker 1: whole time, he's looked like Trek's schoopbl which in itself
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  Speaker 1: is remarkable. So like with him officially getting the NOD
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  Speaker 1: on Saturday, can we say that this process has been
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  Speaker 1: handled you know, efficiently, like you know, you know, do
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  Speaker 1: we have any hesitations or anything or like everything that
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  Speaker 1: you've seen it just kind of feels like school schoolbl
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  Speaker 1: and and and he's back there.
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  Speaker 2: It shouldn't have no reservations.
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  Speaker 3: I think he's ready to go. I've watched him since
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  Speaker 3: that first bullpen. I really don't have any reservations. He's
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  Speaker 3: throwing ninety nine, he's sitting ninety seven, ninety eight. He
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  Speaker 3: has built up a pretty good workload. A J. Hinch
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  Speaker 3: did say he doesn't know if Saturday's outing could be
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  Speaker 3: abbreviated at all. He threw seventy pitches in the rehab assignment,
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  Speaker 3: so you know, maybe it's possible. He throws closer to
• 13:05
  Speaker 3: eighty then going up to one hundred. But I almost think,
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  Speaker 3: I don't know, like let your horse run. He seems
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  Speaker 3: he seems ready. If you're confident enough to start him,
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  Speaker 3: I almost feel like it should be a full go start.
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  Speaker 3: Interestingly enough, remember that report from our friend Will Carroll
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  Speaker 3: that said, you know, there had been discussions about skipping
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  Speaker 3: a rehab assignment and going straight to the big leagues.
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  Speaker 3: Le aj Hinch kind of was very dismissive of that report.
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  Speaker 3: Trek Scuble was pretty dismissive of that report, and then
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  Speaker 3: Scooble said, a couple of days ago, you know, we
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  Speaker 3: were actually kind of conservative. I could I could have
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  Speaker 3: been back quicker than this if we really wanted to
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  Speaker 3: so as I have. Yes, so you did talk about that,
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  Speaker 3: all right, But yeah, I mean that goes to show
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  Speaker 3: like there's been five weeks post surgery and it probably
• 13:50
  Speaker 3: could have been less if they really wanted it to.
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  Speaker 3: It's been a pretty miraculous recovery to watch. Excited to
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  Speaker 3: see how Scoobale looks out there on set Saturday. You know,
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  Speaker 3: it is the first start back. Will the emotions be
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  Speaker 3: a little different maybe, but I kind of expect him
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  Speaker 3: to be Terrek Schoobel and not have much rust to
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  Speaker 3: knock off.
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  Speaker 1: Is it better that he's doing this on the road.
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  Speaker 1: I know they didn't plan it this way, but like,
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  Speaker 1: you know, doing this on the road as opposed to home,
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  Speaker 1: especially you know Cleveland, that he's that crowd knows schoobl
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  Speaker 1: and schoobol knows him, uh knows that crowd or whatever.
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  Speaker 1: Like maybe it's a little he could get locked in
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  Speaker 1: a little bit better being booed and being cheered.
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  Speaker 3: Yeah, maybe, I mean school Cleveland's actually been kind of
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  Speaker 3: a house of horrors for for school a couple of
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  Speaker 3: different times, So I don't know, maybe maybe a.
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  Speaker 2: Less well it's not friendly, but.
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  Speaker 3: Right, maybe maybe a friendlier Yeah, I mean schoobl is
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  Speaker 3: someone who kind of thrives off that. Maybe a more
• 14:47
  Speaker 3: relaxed setting, maybe Kansas City, maybe, uh maybe Pittsburgh, something
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  Speaker 3: like that would have been good.
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  Speaker 2: I liked it.
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  Speaker 3: It's in Cleveland. I was already planning to be on
• 14:57
  Speaker 3: that trip all along, So it works out well for me.
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  Speaker 1: There you go timed out well well and the consequence
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  Speaker 1: And we don't have it official right now, so we're
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  Speaker 1: not gonna speak on it in that sense, but it
• 15:10
  Speaker 1: does kind of seem like Casey Mize will start Sunday.
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  Speaker 2: We will see. So that's not official.
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  Speaker 1: I don't want anyone to get the wrong idea there,
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  Speaker 1: but it is the indications that that is the plan.
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  Speaker 1: So fall out of that, you know, good news, you
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  Speaker 1: get school ball in myz back. All right, now, what
• 15:26
  Speaker 1: are you gonna do the other the pitching rotation question,
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  Speaker 1: and it seems like as of now they're going with
• 15:34
  Speaker 1: the six that the idea is go six six man rotation. Yeah.
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  Speaker 3: Aj Hinch has been, you know, hesitant to set anything
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  Speaker 3: in stone because he wants to make sure everyone stays healthy,
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  Speaker 3: but he's been pretty open that he thinks they will
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  Speaker 3: quote eventually get to a six man rotation, and that
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  Speaker 3: may start as soon as Saturday. The question, then, I think, becomes,
• 15:56
  Speaker 3: what's gonna happen with Justin Ferlander? Talking to a J.
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  Speaker 3: Hinch today Thursday, he said he hadn't yet spoken to
• 16:02
  Speaker 3: JV about his rehab outing. You guys probably saw the
• 16:05
  Speaker 3: line from JV's rehabouting gave up four homers, wasn't necessarily great.
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  Speaker 3: AJ kind of unprompted mentioned like variance in Verlander's velocity.
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  Speaker 3: So I wonder if it's possible Verlander could do yet
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  Speaker 3: another rehab outing, or if, as we were kind of
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  Speaker 3: initially projecting, Verlander comes back for that Houston series. Verlander
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  Speaker 3: comes back, then you have seven starters. Ty ends already
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  Speaker 3: in the bullpen. When you have seven starters, someone else,
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  Speaker 3: most likely Cater Montero, is going to have to go
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  Speaker 3: to the pin. I've talked about this before. That will
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  Speaker 3: be unfortunate if it gets there. For Montero, who's been
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  Speaker 3: so good and who was just just lights out and
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  Speaker 3: made some big pitches.
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  Speaker 1: Point one, yeah, Corless four K's four hits. I mean
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  Speaker 1: he was excellent today. He was attacking, yeah anything, he
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  Speaker 1: was really good.
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  Speaker 2: Hop up after pop up. Yeah, it was fun, damn it.
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  Speaker 1: It was fun to watch and I think and I
• 17:01
  Speaker 1: was like, oh, man, like and sometimes it's a cliche
• 17:06
  Speaker 1: where it's like, well, through no fault of your own
• 17:09
  Speaker 1: x y Z, you know, is that gonna happen, could happen,
• 17:12
  Speaker 1: And Montero seems to be the living embodiment of that,
• 17:16
  Speaker 1: even if you go back to spring training when they
• 17:18
  Speaker 1: you know, kind of put the kabash on him being
• 17:22
  Speaker 1: like in the in a battle for a rotation spot
• 17:25
  Speaker 1: or whatever, through no fault of your own, it's just
• 17:29
  Speaker 1: not your time, man, And that sucks because he is
• 17:32
  Speaker 1: very valuable, but so so you think it's a bullpen thing,
• 17:36
  Speaker 1: not a not a go down Toledo, stay stretched out thing.
• 17:41
  Speaker 3: Well, I kind of asked aj Hinch after the game, like,
• 17:44
  Speaker 3: you know, as Montero stated his case, is he giving
• 17:46
  Speaker 3: you guys some hard things to think about? And AJ said,
• 17:50
  Speaker 3: and I quote, he's a good arm he's a good dude.
• 17:52
  Speaker 3: He's done everything that we've asked. We're factoring all of
• 17:55
  Speaker 3: that in. He's very versatile because from pitch one, whether
• 17:58
  Speaker 3: that's the start of the game or the span when
• 18:00
  Speaker 3: we've had him in the pin he's going to get
• 18:02
  Speaker 3: after it. AJ continued, he said, he's always answered with
• 18:06
  Speaker 3: the right approach and the right attitude. I want to
• 18:09
  Speaker 3: keep him in the fold and keep him going because
• 18:12
  Speaker 3: the way he's throwing the ball, he deserves it. So
• 18:15
  Speaker 3: if you speak AJ hinch, which I think I'm pretty
• 18:18
  Speaker 3: good at, I take the second AJ said versatile. I
• 18:21
  Speaker 3: was like, Oh, so he's going to the pin and
• 18:24
  Speaker 3: then I want to keep him in the fold. Seemed like, no,
• 18:27
  Speaker 3: don't get that twisty. He's gonna be in the major
• 18:29
  Speaker 3: leagues with us. And I asked Kater Montero too, we
• 18:33
  Speaker 3: should probably talk about this. We talked about like who's
• 18:34
  Speaker 3: got that dog in him on this team, and sometimes
• 18:37
  Speaker 3: it feels like there's not enough guys you know some
• 18:38
  Speaker 3: dog in them. It's Kater Montero. So I kind of
• 18:41
  Speaker 3: asked him, like, do you feel like you've stated your case,
• 18:44
  Speaker 3: almost thinking Cater might be the type of guy to
• 18:46
  Speaker 3: be like I should stay in the rotation. No, he
• 18:49
  Speaker 3: didn't say that. He played it cool. He said he's
• 18:52
  Speaker 3: open to anything, but he just wants the opportunity. He
• 18:55
  Speaker 3: wants the ball in his hand, whether that's in the
• 18:58
  Speaker 3: rotation or in the bullpen. So Cater seems to get it,
• 19:01
  Speaker 3: but certainly would rather stay in the major leagues, as
• 19:05
  Speaker 3: I guess everyone would naturally.
• 19:08
  Speaker 1: Sure, Yeah, and I think he's officially like, like I
• 19:14
  Speaker 1: would get the merit of just keeping him stretched out
• 19:17
  Speaker 1: and you know, on a schedule and all that stuff,
• 19:20
  Speaker 1: whether it's Toledo or Detroit, with the anticipation that something
• 19:23
  Speaker 1: will happen because it's only June eleven, June twelve, and
• 19:26
  Speaker 1: you guys are listening, and he'll fill right in.
• 19:29
  Speaker 2: But there is a waste of bullets.
• 19:34
  Speaker 3: Case you said this a while ago, o Ker, and
• 19:36
  Speaker 3: I think the stakes are kind of too high to
• 19:38
  Speaker 3: be doing that with either Montero or Troy Melton at
• 19:42
  Speaker 3: this point, talking about the big hole they've dug themselves.
• 19:45
  Speaker 3: They don't really have the luxury to have some of
• 19:48
  Speaker 3: their better arms in Toledo right now, whereas if the
• 19:51
  Speaker 3: standings were different, that might be on the table for
• 19:54
  Speaker 3: someone like a Melton or Montero. And I don't get
• 19:57
  Speaker 3: this since it is right right now.
• 20:01
  Speaker 1: Yeah, I hate it for him, I mean, and of course,
• 20:04
  Speaker 1: like you know, we joked about just kind of overreacting
• 20:07
  Speaker 1: to the latest like sample data or whatever.
• 20:10
  Speaker 2: And mon Montero has this.
• 20:12
  Speaker 1: Game and we're already like yeah, but he's probably gonna
• 20:15
  Speaker 1: go to the bat, so we so I guess, like
• 20:17
  Speaker 1: either good or bad on us for not overreacting to
• 20:20
  Speaker 1: what was a stellar performance. And and you know, like
• 20:23
  Speaker 1: like I said earlier, like there's nothing you could have
• 20:25
  Speaker 1: done differently really like it's that's the unfortunate reality of
• 20:31
  Speaker 1: team sports sometimes is that things, things are setting stone
• 20:35
  Speaker 1: and you gotta work around them. And he's in the
• 20:37
  Speaker 1: workaround area. So that is the unfortunate reality. Like I said,
• 20:42
  Speaker 1: all right, we are going to take a quick break,
• 20:45
  Speaker 1: and then afterward we're gonna get to a little fromber
• 20:48
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  Speaker 2: All right, coming back here.
• 21:58
  Speaker 1: You know, rumber Valdez was brought in to fill like
• 22:03
  Speaker 1: a certain role, and with the schoolbl injury, that role
• 22:07
  Speaker 1: more or less change.
• 22:08
  Speaker 2: And again he's a starring pitcher. He can only go
• 22:10
  Speaker 2: so many days.
• 22:11
  Speaker 1: But we've had, you know, the alleged beaming accident. You know,
• 22:17
  Speaker 1: we've had some up and down, We've had some short
• 22:21
  Speaker 1: outings from him, which you know is you know, one
• 22:23
  Speaker 1: of the reasons you like him is because he's an
• 22:24
  Speaker 1: innings eater. I'm looking at the stats right now, Cody
• 22:29
  Speaker 1: entering today point eight war on Baseball Reference.
• 22:33
  Speaker 2: Okay, well, where's that rank?
• 22:34
  Speaker 1: Well, Trek Scooble, who he says has been out for
• 22:36
  Speaker 1: five weeks.
• 22:37
  Speaker 2: One point seven war.
• 22:38
  Speaker 1: Now that's Trek schoobl Okay, Casey Mice who's had two
• 22:42
  Speaker 1: il stints.
• 22:44
  Speaker 2: Two point two war.
• 22:46
  Speaker 1: Okay, cater Montero, who we just talked about and is
• 22:50
  Speaker 1: gonna essentially get demoted, likely in some way or another
• 22:54
  Speaker 1: if you consider bullpen of demotion one point five war
• 22:57
  Speaker 1: that's entering today. Romber was kind of built to be
• 23:03
  Speaker 1: like one of the heads of the snake, not the
• 23:05
  Speaker 1: head of the snake, but one of the heads of
• 23:06
  Speaker 1: the snake of the star in rotation. And that's going
• 23:10
  Speaker 1: in with uh, what's his record? You know, three and
• 23:12
  Speaker 1: five if you're into that sort of thing with a
• 23:14
  Speaker 1: four point four era. So how do we feel about
• 23:20
  Speaker 1: the fromer Valdez experience?
• 23:23
  Speaker 3: Fourteen starts in head of the Snake here, and it's
• 23:26
  Speaker 3: supposed to be a two headed monster, supposed to be
• 23:28
  Speaker 3: Scooba and Fromber as the best one to punch in
• 23:31
  Speaker 3: the American League, and instead from Rivaldez has a four
• 23:34
  Speaker 3: point four to zher eer a reminder, he's making an
• 23:38
  Speaker 3: average of thirty eight point three million dollars per year.
• 23:41
  Speaker 3: He is being paid to be an elite starter, and
• 23:45
  Speaker 3: through fourteen games that has not been the case. Now
• 23:49
  Speaker 3: I had set up multiple points, from Bervalda is very
• 23:52
  Speaker 3: far from the top of my list of concerns. As
• 23:55
  Speaker 3: the Tigers start winning some games and they stopped making
• 23:58
  Speaker 3: ridiculous errors and bonehead it plays every single night, from
• 24:01
  Speaker 3: ber Valdez is now rising a little bit higher on
• 24:05
  Speaker 3: my list of concerns, not just this year, but even
• 24:09
  Speaker 3: long term. I mean, this guy, assuming you lose Scooble,
• 24:11
  Speaker 3: he's kind of got to be your guy next year.
• 24:14
  Speaker 3: You invested a lot in him, and so far it
• 24:18
  Speaker 3: just I think the vibe is bad. I don't know
• 24:22
  Speaker 3: what that means, but like, does this feel like a
• 24:24
  Speaker 3: contract that's working out? Take the stats aside, it just
• 24:27
  Speaker 3: doesn't do you feel confident when Fromber's on the mound.
• 24:31
  Speaker 3: It hasn't really been there some of his outings. This
• 24:33
  Speaker 3: guy who's known for being pretty efficient and a lot
• 24:35
  Speaker 3: of ground balls, being quick, and we saw a lot
• 24:39
  Speaker 3: of that in spring and even in April. Recently, it's
• 24:42
  Speaker 3: been pretty laborious and then his sinker, Kieren, this is
• 24:46
  Speaker 3: his bread and butter. This is one of the best
• 24:47
  Speaker 3: sinkers anyone's ever had in terms of at least generating
• 24:51
  Speaker 3: weak ground balls. Punsering two ninety nine against his sinker.
• 24:55
  Speaker 3: Slog is four thirty one x slug is higher than that,
• 24:58
  Speaker 3: it's over five hundred. The run value on the sinker
• 25:01
  Speaker 3: is zero. Opponents are lifting the ball off and more
• 25:05
  Speaker 3: than ever before, twenty four point eight percent fly ball rate,
• 25:09
  Speaker 3: which is still low, but for from Braveldesk standards it's high.
• 25:12
  Speaker 3: And I think it's maybe as simple as he's not
• 25:15
  Speaker 3: locating his pitches. He's leaving a lot of stuff up
• 25:17
  Speaker 3: in the zone. He's not able to live on the
• 25:19
  Speaker 3: lower rail like you would want. Almost makes me wonder,
• 25:24
  Speaker 3: you know, could that be an abs thing or the
• 25:26
  Speaker 3: bottom of the zone in theory a little bit higher
• 25:29
  Speaker 3: than it used to be. Look, I don't know what's
• 25:33
  Speaker 3: going on, but the Tigers need to get him right.
• 25:35
  Speaker 3: The Tigers need to get him to back to being
• 25:38
  Speaker 3: an elite level starter because watching him the last few
• 25:41
  Speaker 3: times out it is growing into a bigger point of concern,
• 25:44
  Speaker 3: no doubt.
• 25:45
  Speaker 1: Yeah, I mean, like, you know, the money is the money,
• 25:48
  Speaker 1: and that should certainly shapes expectations. You want to feel
• 25:52
  Speaker 1: confident when it's from ber day, given what the Tigers
• 25:56
  Speaker 1: experience the past, you know, the past six weeks or whatever.
• 26:00
  Speaker 1: I was looking for some like the word I would
• 26:03
  Speaker 1: that came to mind was like stability, Like all right, well,
• 26:06
  Speaker 1: Fromer's on the mound, like this week, you know, there
• 26:08
  Speaker 1: should be a little bit more of a controlled environment
• 26:10
  Speaker 1: here for the team to be put in position to win.
• 26:13
  Speaker 1: And the numbers just don't really like dictate it out.
• 26:16
  Speaker 1: And he say, like he's not locating pitches. Well, here's
• 26:19
  Speaker 1: an example. He's got eight hit batters this year, Cody,
• 26:25
  Speaker 1: which according to I think it was Tiger's data on Twitter,
• 26:29
  Speaker 1: that's the most he's had since.
• 26:30
  Speaker 2: Twenty twenty three.
• 26:32
  Speaker 1: And and another way to put in perspective is the
• 26:35
  Speaker 1: rest of these you know, first five, if you include Montero,
• 26:39
  Speaker 1: don't include Erlander, first five, the start in rotation have
• 26:42
  Speaker 1: combined for nine. So so like he clearly is not locating. Now,
• 26:49
  Speaker 1: I guess if you want to say one was not
• 26:51
  Speaker 1: a real hit by pitchink wink, you can know.
• 26:55
  Speaker 2: The tuck that number.
• 26:56
  Speaker 1: But he but he clearly isn't What was that a
• 26:58
  Speaker 1: change up to Buckston the other night that elevated change up?
• 27:02
  Speaker 3: And then I think Lewis crushed a sinker, speaking of
• 27:06
  Speaker 3: that pitch that hit Trevor's story infamously the first four
• 27:09
  Speaker 3: seam fastball he threw all year frombers started working in
• 27:12
  Speaker 3: the four scene more after that, which I thought was
• 27:15
  Speaker 3: hilarious at first, But then that last start he had
• 27:19
  Speaker 3: some success with it started to go. I think he
• 27:22
  Speaker 3: threw it more than he had all season and that
• 27:24
  Speaker 3: start alone, and I guess that's good, but it also
• 27:27
  Speaker 3: kind of made me think, like, is this related to
• 27:30
  Speaker 3: the lack of confidence or lack of results in his sinker?
• 27:34
  Speaker 3: I'm asking aj Hinch. It's just about getting a different look,
• 27:37
  Speaker 3: keeping guys from creeping over the plate, And I'm sure
• 27:40
  Speaker 3: some of that factors into but I think it's interesting
• 27:45
  Speaker 3: that he's suddenly turning more toward this four seam that
• 27:48
  Speaker 3: for a while he had not used except to plunk someone.
• 27:52
  Speaker 3: Maybe it's a good thing, but I'm actually not sure
• 27:56
  Speaker 3: it is.
• 27:58
  Speaker 1: Yeah, and you know, the I go back to the
• 28:02
  Speaker 1: conversation we had after the I'll call it a plunking
• 28:10
  Speaker 1: of Trevor's story, and like, my main point was like, look, dude,
• 28:15
  Speaker 1: this is just not how you behave if you're going
• 28:17
  Speaker 1: to take the highest aa V of any lefty starter
• 28:21
  Speaker 1: or whatever, like it's just like you you have to
• 28:25
  Speaker 1: kind of be above certain things and certain acts. In
• 28:28
  Speaker 1: my opinion, the other part of that conversation is if
• 28:33
  Speaker 1: you take this money, you have to go under the
• 28:36
  Speaker 1: scope of like, are we getting a good ROI and.
• 28:39
  Speaker 2: Two and right now?
• 28:41
  Speaker 1: The best you could say is that it's been mixed.
• 28:42
  Speaker 1: Now he does lead the sorry in rotation and innings
• 28:45
  Speaker 1: if you want to give him credit for something, but
• 28:49
  Speaker 1: at the same time you can't. You certainly feel worse
• 28:53
  Speaker 1: about him being out there in a crucial game, either
• 28:57
  Speaker 1: to win a series, take a two zero lead in
• 28:59
  Speaker 1: the series, or if you can even envision that, you know,
• 29:02
  Speaker 1: into October, you feel worse about that now than you did.
• 29:06
  Speaker 1: And there have been multiple instances this season where I've
• 29:10
  Speaker 1: kind of reminded myself it's like, yeah, I don't really
• 29:12
  Speaker 1: know a lot of Astros fans that were upset that
• 29:14
  Speaker 1: he left, So obviously it's still early in the season.
• 29:18
  Speaker 1: He's got time to you know, find his groove, get
• 29:20
  Speaker 1: set things right. Blah blah blah blah. But I just
• 29:23
  Speaker 1: I've had that thought more than I really wanted to
• 29:26
  Speaker 1: come into him.
• 29:26
  Speaker 3: It makes you wonder care and it makes you wonder
• 29:28
  Speaker 3: why the Tigers were able to get him on the
• 29:30
  Speaker 3: three year deal. You know, that was well below what
• 29:33
  Speaker 3: he was actually projected. The makeup, character concerns we're all
• 29:36
  Speaker 3: mentioned at the time, but he also didn't have a
• 29:38
  Speaker 3: strong finish to last year, as he was over five
• 29:41
  Speaker 3: at the tail end of last season. Sometimes when you're
• 29:45
  Speaker 3: able to get guys on a bargain, it's not necessarily
• 29:48
  Speaker 3: a good thing. And now I loved the signing at
• 29:50
  Speaker 3: the time most people did. Seemed like a bold moved
• 29:53
  Speaker 3: for the Tigers. But you know, almost halfway through his
• 29:57
  Speaker 3: first season here, you know, it's fair to back on
• 30:00
  Speaker 3: that a little differently. We'll see how it goes. There's
• 30:05
  Speaker 3: there's a last season left. But yeah, there's a guy
• 30:07
  Speaker 3: you gotta get right. There's a guy you got to
• 30:08
  Speaker 3: get right if you're gonna make a run.
• 30:10
  Speaker 1: He's he's a guy that, to go back to early
• 30:12
  Speaker 1: we talk about earlier. He's a guy that would really
• 30:15
  Speaker 1: got to judge it. After the one sixty two, you know,
• 30:17
  Speaker 1: see how see how it went, but you also want
• 30:19
  Speaker 1: to know how it feels like in the moment too.
• 30:21
  Speaker 2: That's that's that's relevant as well.
• 30:24
  Speaker 1: All Right, couple couple roster moves Cody that the Tigers made,
• 30:30
  Speaker 1: one prior to the game, one after the game. Uh
• 30:33
  Speaker 1: So we'll start with the most recent one, and that
• 30:37
  Speaker 1: is a waiver claim of James Outman, most recently with
• 30:41
  Speaker 1: the Minnesota Twins. He is just turned twenty nine, right
• 30:46
  Speaker 1: handed fielder, left handed batter, can play center field. He
• 30:51
  Speaker 1: is out of options, which means he's gonna have to
• 30:53
  Speaker 1: be on the major league roster, and he and to
• 30:57
  Speaker 1: make room for him on the forty man, they moved
• 31:00
  Speaker 1: the hobby to the sixty day IL. So I have
• 31:04
  Speaker 1: a coworker who is a Twins fan, so I said please,
• 31:07
  Speaker 1: I literally just texted him. I was like, please give
• 31:09
  Speaker 1: me the sky report. He just said, can't hit a lick.
• 31:13
  Speaker 1: That's what the coworker said.
• 31:15
  Speaker 2: And then.
• 31:17
  Speaker 1: I go, okay, well does he play good defense? And
• 31:20
  Speaker 1: the response was not good enough to make up for
• 31:23
  Speaker 1: the fact he cannot make contact with a baseball.
• 31:26
  Speaker 2: So that's the scouting report from just a you know,
• 31:29
  Speaker 2: a random guy. If you want to go with the stats.
• 31:30
  Speaker 1: He's batt He won fifty six this year and sixty
• 31:33
  Speaker 1: four at bat's minus point four war on the season.
• 31:38
  Speaker 1: He does have four stolen bases, which I imagine would like
• 31:41
  Speaker 1: put him, like what third on the Tigers. So so, yeah,
• 31:46
  Speaker 1: that's all, that's all I got on that one.
• 31:47
  Speaker 3: Cody m Yeah, well, I had talked to a couple
• 31:50
  Speaker 3: of people in the Twins media and got similar reviews. Outman,
• 31:54
  Speaker 3: for anyone not familiar, had a really good twenty twenty
• 31:57
  Speaker 3: three with the Dodgers. He had twenty three homers. He
• 31:59
  Speaker 3: was he did strike out a lot, but he was
• 32:01
  Speaker 3: a useful player three point four wins above replacement. Since then,
• 32:05
  Speaker 3: he's been terrible. He has a one forty four batting
• 32:09
  Speaker 3: average in his last three hundred and thirty four major
• 32:13
  Speaker 3: League at bats. So we all wanted the Tigers to
• 32:17
  Speaker 3: do something right. A lot of fans out there wanted it.
• 32:20
  Speaker 3: I even kind of wanted it. They did something. I'm
• 32:25
  Speaker 3: not sure I like it. I would assume this was
• 32:28
  Speaker 3: done because James Outman can play some center field, probably
• 32:34
  Speaker 3: better than the Tigers anyone have active right now. Now,
• 32:37
  Speaker 3: Still not really grading out as a plus center fielder.
• 32:40
  Speaker 3: He was worth minus four defensive runs saved last year
• 32:43
  Speaker 3: and two hundred innings and even zero this year and
• 32:47
  Speaker 3: one hundred and twelve innings. But we know centerfield has
• 32:50
  Speaker 3: been a little bit of a sore spot for the Tigers.
• 32:53
  Speaker 3: Sticking Outman out there, I get the sense they're hoping
• 32:57
  Speaker 3: for a slight defensive upgrade. But again, I mean kind
• 33:01
  Speaker 3: of like that he's now the Zach short of the outfield, Like,
• 33:04
  Speaker 3: at what costs You're really going to put another guy
• 33:06
  Speaker 3: in this lineup who's a one forty four hitter, who
• 33:10
  Speaker 3: the strikeout raid is near forty percent. It It really
• 33:15
  Speaker 3: worries me. And then there's also the question who is
• 33:18
  Speaker 3: coming off the roster for James Outman. I assume we
• 33:20
  Speaker 3: will know that probably Friday afternoon, but you only have
• 33:24
  Speaker 3: a handful of candidates. I think the leading one might
• 33:27
  Speaker 3: be Winsel Perez, who coincidentally enough has just now gotten going. Finally.
• 33:32
  Speaker 3: He has a one point one seven eight ops in
• 33:35
  Speaker 3: the month of June. I guess they're you know, they're smothers,
• 33:39
  Speaker 3: Matt Vierling, maybe like Zach Like I don't know, I
• 33:43
  Speaker 3: don't want to speculate too much. One who's getting demoted,
• 33:47
  Speaker 3: but especially if they were to send down Winsle, who's
• 33:50
  Speaker 3: finally showing you something. I don't think I like this move.
• 33:55
  Speaker 3: I don't think. I'm sure that Zigers have data to
• 33:58
  Speaker 3: support these things, but without seeing that data, I have
• 34:01
  Speaker 3: a very hard time understanding how he what seemingly is
• 34:05
  Speaker 3: a very marginal defensive upgrade is worth putting what's likely
• 34:10
  Speaker 3: to be another black hole in your lineup.
• 34:11
  Speaker 2: Now.
• 34:12
  Speaker 3: Maybe they think they can tweak his swing and get
• 34:14
  Speaker 3: back to twenty twenty three Dodgers. I don't know. I'm
• 34:18
  Speaker 3: also kind of tired of tired of the you know,
• 34:22
  Speaker 3: the projects and trying to fix people a little too much.
• 34:27
  Speaker 1: Yeah, well you better damn well have a pretty specific
• 34:30
  Speaker 1: role for him in mind, if we all we've talked
• 34:32
  Speaker 1: about is how the stakes are now high and you know,
• 34:35
  Speaker 1: pivotal and like all this stuff, and you and you
• 34:37
  Speaker 1: throw in somebody who does not have a recent track
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  Speaker 1: record of hitting. I think that is fair to say,
• 34:44
  Speaker 1: uh so, so like this, this can't be a I
• 34:48
  Speaker 1: know obviously it's worked out like really well, but this
• 34:50
  Speaker 1: can't be like a twenty twenty three ES at McKinstry
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  Speaker 1: type deal where we're just kind of you know, throwing
• 34:55
  Speaker 1: them out there, kind of seeing what happens like like,
• 34:57
  Speaker 1: it just can't it can't be like that. So, yeah,
• 35:02
  Speaker 1: what the ramifications are, there's something we're missing. We'll be
• 35:05
  Speaker 1: able to, you know, assess this a little bit differently,
• 35:07
  Speaker 1: but as of right now, it's hard to see like
• 35:12
  Speaker 1: the additive here, especially given the lack of flexibility that
• 35:16
  Speaker 1: he gives you and what the opportunity caused is roster wise, So.
• 35:19
  Speaker 2: We'll have to see.
• 35:20
  Speaker 1: But curious, I would say, curious about what it really means.
• 35:25
  Speaker 3: Yeah, for sure, And it will eventually require another forty
• 35:30
  Speaker 3: man move too, because when someone comes off the sixty
• 35:34
  Speaker 3: to add James Outman to the roster, the Tigers moved
• 35:37
  Speaker 3: Hovey Bias to the sixty day, so that would have
• 35:39
  Speaker 3: been the next move. Whenever someone else comes off the
• 35:43
  Speaker 3: the il, that's that's gone now. So when JV is activated,
• 35:49
  Speaker 3: you're gonna have to make another forty man move. So again,
• 35:52
  Speaker 3: you know, sometimes these things have have some ripple effects
• 35:54
  Speaker 3: and that'll be interesting to follow. You can come to
• 35:59
  Speaker 3: our end of the year after James Outman hits twenty
• 36:01
  Speaker 3: homers and leads the Tigers to the world series.
• 36:04
  Speaker 1: And Rob's at home run, you know, just like just
• 36:09
  Speaker 1: everything and Scott Harris Coronation podcast.
• 36:14
  Speaker 2: All right, let me wrap up here.
• 36:16
  Speaker 1: You know, it's three games in Cleveland and then three
• 36:20
  Speaker 1: games in Houston, Cody. This does feel like a pretty
• 36:24
  Speaker 1: vital stretch here for the Tigers. Like, not that sweeping
• 36:28
  Speaker 1: Tampa in Tampa was you know, some easy feet, not
• 36:33
  Speaker 1: that the red hot Seattle Mariners come into town. And
• 36:36
  Speaker 1: then you know, winning two out of three games in
• 36:38
  Speaker 1: that series was something easy.
• 36:40
  Speaker 2: And then you know, Minnesota is a better team than
• 36:41
  Speaker 2: you record wise, and he took care of business really, so.
• 36:43
  Speaker 1: Like not to say like, oh yeah, now it's a test,
• 36:46
  Speaker 1: but at Cleveland, at Houston, especially Houston is gonna be
• 36:50
  Speaker 1: one of those teams in the in the mix here
• 36:53
  Speaker 1: going forward. They've also dealt with a lot of injuries.
• 36:57
  Speaker 1: This feels like these next six games I'm calling them
• 37:00
  Speaker 1: their back stretch.
• 37:02
  Speaker 2: So either the.
• 37:03
  Speaker 1: Tigers are back like they're back, like they they went four,
• 37:07
  Speaker 1: they went five, god forbid they win six, uh and
• 37:11
  Speaker 1: and they're back, or they're back like they're back to
• 37:16
  Speaker 1: just kind of being like this team that's gonna frustrate us,
• 37:19
  Speaker 1: and and you know, maybe not have to take all
• 37:21
  Speaker 1: that seriously like this, the schedule is not giving them
• 37:25
  Speaker 1: any favor, doing them any favors, but it is giving
• 37:28
  Speaker 1: them opportunities. So and especially with myes and Schoolble potentially
• 37:33
  Speaker 1: mys and schoolbl coming back. Uh, I'm very much looking
• 37:38
  Speaker 1: forward to this weekend. I'm glad you're gonna be there
• 37:40
  Speaker 1: to be able to report on everything.
• 37:42
  Speaker 3: Yeah, we'll have a lot going on, a lot more
• 37:44
  Speaker 3: roster moves starting probably Friday afternoon, and we will we
• 37:48
  Speaker 3: will see how all this shakes out.
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