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Mega Edition: David Boies And His Complicated Role Within The Epstein Orbit (6/8/26) · The Epstein Chronicles

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Speaker 1: What's up everyone, and welcome back to the Epstein Chronicles.
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David Boys, lawyer for Virginia Roberts and Annie Farmer, has
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given his first interview since Glainne Maxwell has been sentenced,
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and in this interview with The Independent, he talks about
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how the other people who were involved in all of this,
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and as we all know, there were a lot of
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other people involved in all of this, how they should
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be held responsible now that Maxwell has been And for me,
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there is no other way that this should go. When
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you have as many people involved on a day to
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day basis as we had involved with Jeffrey Epstein and
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Glaine Maxwell. There is no way anyone can convince me
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that this isn't a rico case and that there aren't
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other people who shouldn't be brought in. We have all
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of the names Virginia has given us already, and David
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Boys and company they've handed all of that information over
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to the Feds. They did that in twenty fifteen, so
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it's not like the Feds didn't have this information, like
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they were waiting for somebody to come forward and clue
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them in on what happened. We all know what happened,
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and the FBI drop the ball like it has many
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many times before when it comes to severe, serious sexual
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assault investigations. Just take a look at how they're on
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the hook right now when it comes to Larry Nasser.
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This is something that has been pervasive within the FBI.
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They might not want to address it, but it's very
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clear for everybody else who's paying attention that the FBI
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really has dropped the ball time and time again here.
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And if they don't go after this the way they should,
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and they don't go after all these other people, well
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it's just another fumble, isn't it? All? Right? Today? Our
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article is from The Independent, and the author of this
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article is Bevin Hurley. Headline Virginia Roberts lawyer on prosecuting
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powerful abusers. There are many people involved in this beyond
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Maxwell and Epstein. Virginia Roberts attorney tells Bevin Hurley, the
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rich and powerful implicated in the Epstein Maxwell Maxwell's sex
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trafficking ring deserve to be brought to justice one hundred percent.
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And if there isn't a grand jury panel impaneled right now,
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then I don't know what they're doing. Because there's as
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much circumstantial evidence out there to arrest people like endyke
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and Cohn and Sarah Kelln Vickers, as there was to
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bring in Maxwell. So what are they waiting for and
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why have they waited this long? When power else? Attorney
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David Boyce received the news that Glainne Maxwell had been
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sentenced to twenty years in federal prison for child sex
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trafficking last week, he allowed himself a wry smile. It
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was very satisfying, mister Boyce told The Independent in his
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first interview since the sentencing. This was an important step.
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There's no doubt this was an important step, a huge step.
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It sends a message too, right, but it only matters
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if the follow through continues. What do you think whoever's
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out there engaging in human trafficking right now is going
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to see the sentence that Glaine Maxwell got or that
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r Kelly got and say to themselves, oh, well, this
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isn't worth it. We're just gonna We're gonna stop, because
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that's not gonna happen no matter how harsh the sentence is.
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This needs to be a message to the people who
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were involved. And the only way that this message can
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truly be sent like they say they want to send
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it is if they bring in the rest of these people.
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But he also felt a lingering sense of unfinished business
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about the many wealthy and powerful figures who have not
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had to answer for their roles in Jeffrey Epstein and
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Maxwell's decades long pyramid scheme of abuse. I get it.
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I understand now. Obviously, I'm nowhere near as close to
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all of this as David Boyce is. Dude's been in
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the trenches fighting against Epstein and Maxwell four years now.
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But I understand what he means with the unfinished business
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part because I feel the same way here on this podcast.
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There's a lot of unfinished business, and all of these
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people like Indyke and Kahn and Vickers especially, they definitely
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need to be brought in because if not, then what
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has really been accomplished. Besides, you know, bringing Maxwell to justice,
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which is great, don't get me wrong, as I've said
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a million times, definitely a huge part of fixing the problem,
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but it takes a little bit of the shine and
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the laquer off of it if you don't follow through
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it the next step. Mister Boys has for decades been
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one of America's best known litigants, famously but unsuccessfully representing
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the Democratic Party candidate Al Gore in a case against
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George W. Bush to settle the contested two thousand presidential election.
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The eighty one year old represented Annie Farmer and Virginia
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Roberts in civil lawsuits against Epstein and Maxwell. I remember
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when all of that was going on in two thousand
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and you had the whole battle Royale about the hanging
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Chad and the armies of lawyers and the lawsuits and
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all of the days it took to get the election
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locked in. And still there's a lot of people who
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don't even believe that those election results were what the
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In twenty fifteen, he handed over their entire civil file
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to the Justice Department in the hopes they would investigate
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and prosecute Epstein, Maxwell and some of the dozens of
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other rich and powerful associates named and identified by miss
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miss Roberts. And this should this should have happened back then.
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All of those people who were directly implicated by Virginia Roberts,
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especially considering she went on record and stated those names,
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those people should all be looked at under the world's
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largest microscope. Every one of them should be brought in
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put under oath, and they should all have to testify
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about their relationship with Epstein, and that includes guys like
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Bill Richardson. Because everything we've heard from Virginia leading up
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to this point has been at least some of the
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foundational basis for these convictions, and we've seen what's happened
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to people when there's been defamation lawsuits as well, those
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people end up getting charged afterwards. She has shown that
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she's to be believed, at least in my opinion, So
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when she's pointing her finger at these other people, why
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should I believe that they weren't involved, especially considering that
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you can put the receipts together and the paperwork to
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put them in Epstein's presence a whole bunch of times.
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So all of those people, every last one of them,
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should be brought in. And if this was a Rico
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case like it should have been, they all would have
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been brought in. But so far only three people have
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been held criminally liable. They are Epstein, who died by
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suicide in prison in twenty nineteen, allegedly aged sixty six
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while awaiting trial for sex trafficking, his close friend Jean
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Luke Brunel seventy six, who in February hanged himself in
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a Paris jail where he had been held for a
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year on suspicion of rape of miners and trafficking of
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miners for sexual exploitation. And Maxwell convicted in New York
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on five sex trafficking counts in late December and jail
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for twenty years at her sentencing on June twenty eighth.
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But you know, it's just a coincidence that Brunell and
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Epstein both suffered the same fate. Huh. Now with Brunell
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doesn't seem as odd the matter of his death. Again,
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I'm not an expert on French lockups or French prisons,
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so I'm certainly not somebody who would sit here and
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tell you with any confidence one way or the other. Oh,
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I'm certain that xxx or X occurred in that French jail.
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I have no idea. Looks to me like Brunell probably
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killed himself. Now is that one hundred percent certain? Man?
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Is anything one hundred percent certain in this case besides
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the fact that these people are scumbags. But with Epstein, boy,
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oh boy, they're sure. Is a lot there the cameras,
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our TAGLIONI I won't beat a dead horse. But you
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get my drift. There are many people who are involved
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in this beyond Maxwell and Epstein and Brunel. Mister Boyce
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told The Independent sex trafficking could not have gone on
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remotely at the scale at which it went on, or
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for the duration that it went on, without the collaboration
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and cooperation of a lot of additional people. These people
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too should be brought to justice. But as time goes
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on and the prosecutors don't do anything, I think the
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chances that actually happens diminishes. Look, he's not wrong, he's
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not wrong. He's just given you the truth. We all
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want to hope and pray that the prosecutors are going
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to move forward and that the co conspirators are going
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to be brought to justice, but we also know that
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the reality that we live in, there's little of that
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to be had. Many of the famous names who flew
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on Epstein's so called Lolita Express private jet have come
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out during civil litigation and at Maxwell's trial. They include
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Bill Clinton, Donald Trump, and Prince Andrew. The two former
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US presidents have adamantly denied any knowledge of Epstein's crimes,
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while Prince Andrew settled a civil sexual assault case with
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Miss Roberts for a reported seventeen million in February, they
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say fourteen million here. That's not the right number. But
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there are many names who have remained out of the
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public eye, their identities hidden in sealed files at the
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Justice Department. A lot of the materials from the are
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twenty fifteen sixteen civil actions which the government got are
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still sealed to the public. Mister Boyce said these kinds
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of records should not be sealed. He is one hundred
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percent correct about that, especially in this case. If there
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is any elect official or anyone who's taking or has
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taken public money involved in any lists such as this,
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they should be outed right away. They generally fall into
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two categories, mister Boyce says. They are Epstein and Maxwell
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lieutenants who are involved in recruiting, grooming, and supervising the
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survivors that were trafficked. And then there are the other
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people who the survivors were trafficked to, which include a
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lot of rich and powerful people around the world. Mister
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boys added, they're all heavily protected by cadres of lawyers
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and pr consultants and political consultants, and you've got to
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have a prosecutor who is really committed to the cause
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of sex trafficking, that is prepared to take that group on. Well,
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if there's any prosecutor out there who has that courage,
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you better believe that there are plenty of us who
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are ready to take the fight to these people. And
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if you have any kind of interest in later on
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political office, this is a surefire away to get yourself alone.
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You go after people like Epstein's associates, you are definitely
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going to get the attention of people who are paying attention,
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and those votes, boy, they'll sure pour in. Imagine that campaign.
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I'm the man or a woman who put away Jeffrey
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Ebstein or Epstein's associates. I mean, I continued the case
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when no one else wanted to do it. My career
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could have been ended, you know, YadA YadA, YadA, YadA.
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But there's no one out there that wants to do it.
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Why what are all of these prosecutors so scared of? Again,
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it comes back to the SDN Y right, Like I
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always say, the folks over at the SDNY, they run
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around and they talk about how they're the greatest at this,
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they're the greatest at that. They bring in all these convictions, well,
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where are they at. They bring in convictions if it's
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you know, people like maybe Khalif Browder or your cousin,
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But when it comes to these rich and powerful people
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like Glenn Dubin, like Les Wexner, like Alan Dershowitz, these
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people don't get brought to justice. That's only for peons, right,
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the children of never like us. Mister Boyce said, many
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of the survivors were easy to ignore, as Epstein and
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Maxwell deliberately sought out vulnerable girls, often from single parent
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households and difficult financial circumstances. Some had already suffered sexual abuse.
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More names are coming out all the time. The question
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is whether that results in people being brought to justice.
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I'm a little pessimistic at this point. Yeah, he's not
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the only one, and he has all rights to be
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because it is a cause for pessimism. You would think
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that when they had the chance here with Maxwell, they
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would have really extended the scope of what they were
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going for. But they didn't do it. And at the time,
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I've said a million times it's very concerning to see
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the small scope of what their charges are. And then
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come time for sentencing and the trial people are all
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shocked that a bunch of names weren't named. Well, if
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you were paying attention, you knew that this case was
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crafted in that manner. But now that Maxwell has been
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hammed up and they've had a successful prosecution here, you
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would think that they'd smell some blood in the water
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and they'd go harder in the paint. But that is
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not the case. During tuesday sentencing, Judge Alison Nathan named
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former Epstein associates Sarah Kellen as a knowing participant in
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the criminal conspiracy. The judge says this, and you mean
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to tell me there's no prosecutors sitting around right now
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stuffing their face full of expensive lunch food from Manhattan
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in the SDNY that wants to go after these people
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or after Sarah Kellen Vickers. Why is that mss Kellen
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was identified by survivors at Maxwell's trial as having booked
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them for massages with Ebste at his Palm Beach mansion.
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The defendant Maxwell was Epstein's number two and lady of
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the house, Judge Nathan said during the sentencing. At some
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point Kellen took over some of the defendant's duties, but
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even after that time, the defendant retained her leadership position,
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as evidenced by Carolyn's testimony. Yeah, that's how it broke down.
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She was the number two. I always break it down
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in terms like the mafia. You have Epstein, he's the boss,
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you have Maxwell the underboss, and John Luke Brunell. Well,
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that was the Conziglieri. And underneath all of them are
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the capos. And Sarah Kellen Vickers is as much of
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a capo as Mike Francisis was. Carolyn was one of
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the four survivors who testified at Maxwell's trial, and was
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only identified by her first name. Miss Roberts's claim she
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was trafficked to have sex with Harvard University law professor
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Alan Dershowitz. The allegation has not been proven, and Professor
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Dershowitz adamantly denies it or any knowledge of other offending.
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And he is not the only one, right Dershowitz certainly
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isn't the only one, But he's certainly one that had
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the finger pointed at him. But has that affected him, No,
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of course not. We saw mister I kept my underpants on.
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Has he lost any status or prestige? Has anyone kicked
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in his door? Stole his cell phone so they can
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go through records. None of that happened. Instead, the naked
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volleyball player of Martha's Vineyard finds himself in the spotlight
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once again, defending Donald Trump, this time so another person
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who has been credibly accused here has not had to
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answer any kind of serious questions from people in authority
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when it comes to what they're being accused of. In
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twenty nineteen, Miss Roberts sued Professor Dershowitz for defamation and distress,
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and he sends countersuitor. The case is ongoing. Professor Dershowitz
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told The Independent in an interview he had visited Epstein's
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home in Palm Beach and his private island, Little Saint James,
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and never seen any young or naked women. It was
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a deep, dark secret. Everything he did in part in
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a part of the house which was off limits to anybody.
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He said, nobody knew any of this. Nobody would have
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associated with Epstein if we had known any of this.
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Bro shut up, you're over there getting massages by who
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the hell knows who at his house. Mister I kept
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my underpants on, Dershowitz, and we all know what massage
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was synonymous for over in the world of Epstein. So
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Dershowitz is another one, and I'm glad he's going to
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get outed here in this defamation case. Dershowitz said he
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saw pictures on the walls of the Palm Beach Manchin
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of the Billionaire with famous people including Bill Clinton and
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Fidel castro h a man accused of sexual crime, and
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the dictator Fantastic company. He had me on the wall.
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I was one of the famous people, and believe me,
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I was fully dressed. You know, he likes he makes
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a joke of it, like anyone thinks he's funny, like
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his old ass is a comedian or something. Bro. The
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only thing funny is that you think people actually believe you.
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That's what's funny. He said he believed Maxwell's sentence and
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conviction was unjust. Of course he did Birds of a
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Feather and all right. Mister Boyce claimed it was stretching
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credulity for anyone in Epstein's orbit to maintain they couldn't
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have known what was going on. Everybody who was associated
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with the survivors has heard reams of testimony about how
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obvious it was what Epstein was doing. Survivor after survivor
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and law enforcement officers have testified how there were all
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these topless girls at the swimming pool and naked pictures
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of girls around the house. It was not something that
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people could miss, No, it wasn't. He had pieces of
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chess pieces carved into the likeness of his employees naked
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and shit. He had pictures of gross ass, stank ass,
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Gallaine Maxwell's busted ass all over the walls, naked and shit.
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What do you mean you missed it? Mister Boy's chairman
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and managing partner at Boys Schiller Flexner typically charges up
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to two thousand dollars an hour for his services, but
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he and fellow managing partner Sigared McCauley represented miss Roberts
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free of charge throughout their pursuit of Maxwell and Epstein.
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And that's great, that's good that they did that, But
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in reality, we know that they also did it to
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help their own profile. They know that moving forward, this
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is good for them. They win this case against these people, bang,
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they're gonna make a ton of dough. And the same
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goes for a prosecutor. And that's why it's so crazy
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to me that not one of these prosecutors, even a
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junior prosecutor hasn't stepped up to the plate and said, look,
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give me that whole entire case load and let me
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slam these fools in court. On Tuesday, Miss McCauley read
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a survivor impact statement from Miss Roberts which she described
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Maxwell as a wolf in sheep's clothing. You could have
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put an end to the rapes, the molestations, the sickening
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manipulations that you arranged, witnessed, and even took part in.
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You could have called the authorities and reported that you
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were part of something awful and she didn't. Right, And
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if you don't do that, then what you're complicit? Oh?
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I was scared. I was held against my will. Okay, Well,
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what happens when Epstein is gone from your life and
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you still have not come forward. Speculation that Maxwell could
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flip on her former associates in order to receive a
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reduced sentence has never eventuated. Her brother, Ian Maxwell told
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The Sunday Times in January that she had no plans
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to pursue a plea deal or offer up information about
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who else was involved. Maxwell has maintained her innocence and
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plans to appeal the verdict and the sentence. The Independent
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contacted the US Attorney's Office for the Southern District of
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New York to ask if it plans to prosecute anyone
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else in relation to the conspiracy, and, if not, whether
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it would unseal any records related to the case. Public
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affairs chief Nicholas Biassi declined to comment. Oh, of course,
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that's what they'll say. Oh, it's an ongoing investigation. You
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can't have any of these files. You know, you the taxpayer.
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So if this is not an ongoing investigation still and
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they're not going after the co conspirators, they need to
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turn over and unseal every file that they have and
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then let's see what's what my guess is. Unfortunately, folks,
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they won't do either. All right, that's gonna do it.
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If you'd like to contact me, you can do that
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at Bobby Kapuci at ProtonMail dot com. That's bo Bby
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c ap u Cci at ProtonMail dot com. You can
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also find me on Twitter at Bobby underscoresp u Cci.
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The link that we discussed can be found in the
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description box. So anyway, tonight we're gonna jump over and
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we're gonna actually discuss what we came here to discuss,
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which is Jeffrey Epstein and our good friend Alan. I
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don't take my underpants off, so it's all good if
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I get a massage from an underage girl at my
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pedophile buddy Jeffrey Epstein's house. Dershowitz has filed a defamation
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suit against David Boys, and we know that in November,
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David Boys filed a defamation suit against Alan Dershowitz. So yeah, look,
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the battle is on between Dershowitz and David Boys, right.
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I know David Boys is a very competent lawyer. I
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know that he knows what he's doing. But in fights
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like this against guys like Dershowitz, it's gonna be a definitely,
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it's gonna be a street fight. So hopefully it does
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not impact the case, you know, the case of the
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the survivors. Hopefully it doesn't impact them negatively and you know,
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make them jump through more hurdles. But at this stage,
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at this point in the game, you had to figure
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that Dershowitz would be countering with something like this, and
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you would have to you had to think that Dershowitz,
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who just he's in love with filing suits and countersuits,
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et cetera, et cetera. You knew that he was definitely
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gonna go after Boys. Basically, what he's doing here is
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trying to destroy Boys's credibility so that Boys and Schiller
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and Flexner, the the group representing a lot of these survivors,
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so that they look like they don't know what they're doing,
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so they look like Saul Goodman basically, when in reality
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we know that it's Dershowitz who is the absolute and utter,
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you know, skivats in this whole entire situation. All right.
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So the article is from the Hill dot com. The
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headline Dershowitz files definite animation suit against Boys alleging extortion.
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The article was written by Justine Coleman. Attorney Alan Dershowitz
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filed a defamation countersuit against fellow lawyer David Boyce, claiming Boys,
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his law firm and Jeffrey Epstein, accuser of Virginia Roberts,
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attempted to extort money from rich and powerful men for
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private settlements. Of course, that's his defense, right, Oh, it's
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all about the money, that's all they care about. Virginia
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Roberts only wants it to get paid blah blah blah.
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That's what the typical first salvo you always see from
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these guys, right, they always fire one across the bow,
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and this is always the one they fire. Oh, it's
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all a money scheme, it's a get rich game, when
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in reality it's a justice thing. All right. It's not
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a scheme, it's not a plot, all right. This is justice,
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Alan Dershowitz, and it's coming for you eventually, buddy, because
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in my opinion, right, in my opinion, you know exactly
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what you did, mister Dershowitz. You know exactly what you did,
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and you're using the judicial system to murky, to make
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the waters more murky, and to op the skate because
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that's how you roll. That's what you do. You know
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every single loophole. You're supposedly this big, high powered attorney,
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but really you're just you know, an everyday shyster, all right,
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a snake oil salesman. Basically, that's my opinion of you,
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Alan Dershowitz, and there's no way you're ever going to
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change that. You're just a smarmy sob. The suit file
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the New York State Supreme Court in Manhattan alleges intentional
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infliction of emotional distress and extortion. It names billionaire Leslie
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Wexner as one of the alleged extortion targets. Oh yeah,
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because Wexner. Wexner is being extorted in this whole matter.
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That's exactly what's happening. Maybe extorted by your buddy Jeffrey Epstein,
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maybe he was extorted by him, but extorted by these girls.
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You mean the girls that he allowed, like Maria Farmer, right,
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that he allowed her to be abused on his property.
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She he's getting extorted. No, sorry, mister Wexner. No one's
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buying your bs, all right, Nobody is buying it. Wexner
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was not extorted. Nobody extorted you. Dershowitz. You know what
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you did. You know that you were there with underage girls.
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You know that you were receiving massages in your tidy whities.
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You know what Virginia Roberts is saying about you is true, sir,
26:22
and I keep saying it. I've the way, the credible
26:26
accusations that are being leveled at these people are very
26:30
very hard to ignore. You have to honestly be just
26:35
purpose purposefully ignoring them, all right, because there is no
26:39
way in hell that all of this stuff and all
26:42
of these things that Virginia Roberts has said and provided
26:45
with evidence. You have, you have pilots who have who
26:49
said that he they seen her with him. You have
26:53
you know the girl that came out that said, of
26:56
course I saw Prince Andrew at the club with her.
26:58
It's just so much evidence. Right at this point, we've
27:01
seen so much evidence that is proving what Virginia Roberts
27:07
has said is to be true. That it's all we
27:11
have from Dershowitz is his his word. Oh well, I've
27:13
never done any of this. You'll see. I'll prove it.
27:15
I'll prove it. And this is for years and years
27:17
and years and still no proof. And now he files
27:19
this lawsuit and he's bringing up people like Leslie Wexner
27:22
in it. See again, he's just a master manipulator. He
27:26
knows what he's doing when it comes to these lawsuits,
27:29
and he understands how to navigate the court. And that's
27:32
his biggest that's his biggest weapon when it comes to
27:37
stuff like this, being such a master of navigating the court.
27:43
The lawsuit comes in response to boys suit against Dershowitz
27:46
that he filed in November and accused the attorney of
27:49
disparaging Boy's law firm, Boys Schiller Flexner, LLP by calling
27:54
it the law firm of extortion, subornation of perjury, and
27:58
other crimes. In a Washington Post interview, the Wall Street
28:01
Journal reported, So, what we have here are dueling lawsuits
28:05
from two high profile attorneys, and they're, like I said,
28:10
it's a knife fight with these guys, Dershowitz and Dershowitz
28:13
and boys are going for the jugular here. There's not
28:16
going to be any kind of, you know, amiable settlement
28:20
in this case. In my opinion, I think that there's
28:22
been too much bloodshed, not really, but you know what
28:25
I mean, in the courtroom, and there's been way too
28:28
many accusations leveled and things said one way and the
28:33
other for this to ever end besides in a courtroom
28:37
being litigated, because I think that's where this is going,
28:39
and I hope it does because then we get to
28:42
see discovery. And we all know that Dershowitz does not
28:45
want discovery in this case, all right. He's suing these
28:48
people because he does not want to go to trial.
28:50
He's trying to stop them, he's trying to intimidate them,
28:54
and it's not going to work. I highly doubt David
28:56
Boyse is intimidated by Alan Dershowitz. Dershowitz alleges in the
29:02
countersuit that boys firm said it would reveal allegations against Wexner,
29:06
the CEO of Victoria's Secret parent Victoria's Secrets parent company,
29:11
if the company didn't provide a settlement. Epstein was Wexner's
29:14
money manager. Wexner declined to comment to the journal, reiterating
29:18
that he wasn't aware of Epstein's criminal behavior. And I
29:22
believe I also read somewhere, but I don't have it
29:25
in front of me to be sourced right now, But
29:27
I believe that I read somewhere that Wexner said that
29:32
his camp said that he had he had never been
29:35
extorted or anything like that. So again it calls in
29:38
to question what Dershowitz is saying here, don't I don't
29:42
find Dershowitz credible, folks, all right. I find him smarmy.
29:46
I find him to be if it wasn't for his, uh,
29:49
you know, his extreme knowledge of the Constitution. I don't
29:54
think that we'd ever have to see this guy's face
29:56
ever again. And furthermore, I'm not too impressed with his
29:59
intern reputation of the Constitution for that matter. Okay, he's
30:03
not this all star that everybody makes him out to be.
30:05
In my opinion, I don't understand why everybody's so scared
30:08
of him. But it's nice to see that David Boyce
30:11
is going after him and he is not backing down.
30:17
Dershowitz's suit also follows from roberts allegations that he assaulted
30:21
her as a teenager when Epstein recruited her, no, when
30:24
Epstein trafficked her for his sex trafficking scheme. The attorney
30:29
who argued against President Trump's removal in the Senate has
30:32
denied those accusations, calling Roberts a certified, complete, total liar.
30:37
What a piece of shit this guy is huh to
30:41
come out and say that sort of thing. It's no
30:43
wonder that Virginia dropped a defamation lawsuit on his ass too.
30:46
He deserves it. He deserves it, all right. Alan Dershowitz
30:50
has spent his life defending complete and utter scumbags. And
30:54
that's not the problem, folks. It's the way he defends
30:56
them that's the problem. It's the way that he gets
30:58
these deals in the back. That's the problem, all right,
31:02
nobody should get a deal like Jeffrey Epstein got, and nobody,
31:06
I mean nobody should get a non prosecution agreement the
31:09
way he got, either an umbrella non prosecution agreement please.
31:13
And that was worked out, in my opinion, because Dershowitz
31:16
knew his ass was on the line and he needed
31:18
another layer of protection in case everybody ratted on him.
31:21
And I still hope that occurs. I really hope that
31:24
they go after all of his lieutenants, all of Epstein's lieutenants,
31:28
the four Horsewomen of the Apocalypse and Gielen Maxwell, and
31:32
they bring them in and they put the screws to them,
31:34
and they get them to rat on all of these
31:37
scumbag sons of bitches, and not only rat but to
31:40
testify against them. Boy, would that be great. Roberts filed
31:45
the defamation suit against Dershowitz in April because of these comments.
31:49
Boys represented her for the case until the judge rules
31:52
he and his partners needed to be taken off the
31:54
case due to their expected testimony. According to the Journal,
31:59
and again more legal maneuvering by Dershowitz. All right, that's
32:03
why he filed the suit against the lawyers as well,
32:06
because he wanted to get them out of the picture.
32:08
He didn't want to deal with David Boys, he didn't
32:10
want to deal with the Flexner, he didn't want to
32:12
deal with anyone at the firm. So what he tried
32:15
to do was just get him raised from the equation.
32:18
And you know what, again, Alan Dershowitz finds a way
32:23
to get his way. Dershowitz told The Hill that he
32:28
is looking forward to putting Boys on trial for the
32:30
role he played and the false accusations against me. I
32:33
am also looking forward to putting his entire history of
32:36
questionable legal ethics on trial and his pattern of practicing law.
32:40
He said, I'm sorry, I could not help myself but
32:42
laugh through that. For Alan Dershowitz to call anyone's legal
32:47
anyone's legal ethics questionable, is laughable at best. All right,
32:52
we know what you are, mister Dershowitz. We know that
32:56
you went over to Jeffrey Epstein's house and you received massages.
33:00
All right, we know what Virginia Roberts has said about you.
33:03
Don't come over here and talk like you're ethical. It's
33:05
just like Andrew about how honorable he is. Yeah, Okay,
33:08
you're real ethical, mister Dershowitz. You're just you know, the
33:11
pillar of what an ethical person should look like. What
33:15
an absolute clown, folks, What an absolute and utter clown.
33:25
He said on tape that he knew his client was wrong,
33:27
simply wrong in accusing me, and yet, even after saying
33:30
that he submitted false affidavits from her, he added, boys
33:35
did not immediately return her request for comment. Epstein was
33:38
found dead in his jail cell in August after being
33:41
held on sex crimes charges. New York City officials ruled
33:44
as death suicide. Allegedly, Dershowitz helped Epstein obtain an eighteen
33:49
month sentence in two thousand and eight. Yeah, eighteen months, huhn,
33:53
A little bit less than that, folks. All Right. You
33:55
know with day trips to go and you know, abuse
33:57
other girls, go to his office, go and diddle himself
34:01
whatever it is this sick bastard wanted to do. He
34:04
was able to do it because the other sick bastard,
34:08
I kept my underwear on. Dershowitz facilitated it all. Talk
34:12
about enabling, folks, right, talk about the whole entire monster
34:18
stinks from the top, all right, this whole entire cabal
34:22
of sick bastards needs to be held accountable. And Dershowitz
34:26
and his lawsuits, it's all gonna catch up to him eventually, Right, Eventually,
34:29
it's gonna catch up to him. He's gonna file one
34:31
of these lawsuits, it's gonna go to discovery, and he's
34:34
gonna get egg smashed all over his face. And also, folks,
34:40
I have a funny feeling that his name is going
34:44
to be all over the documents that get released eventually,
34:48
because everybody who's following this case understands that Epstein, I mean,
34:54
excuse me, that Dershowitz had a very very close relationship
34:59
with Jeffrey Epstein, and everybody understands that Dershowitz saw things. Okay,
35:05
you couldn't be around Epstein as much as Dershowitz was
35:07
and not see things. Folks, you're not fooling anyone, Alan,
35:11
I kept my underwear on Dershowitz. You're not fooling anyone.
35:17
All right, Folks, if you'd like to contact me, you
35:19
can do that at Bobby Kapuci at proton mail dot com.
35:22
That's bobbyc ap u Cci at ProtonMail dot com. Also,
35:29
what's up everyone, and welcome back to the Epstein Chronicles.
35:34
When it comes to Prince Andrew, the Joe Exotic of
35:37
the Windsor family, I can't help but to shake my
35:40
head and laugh every time I see this idiot's name. Now, look,
35:45
if he wasn't guilty of what he was accused of,
35:48
he should have thought that tooth and nail all the
35:51
way to the very end, because that's what an innocent
35:54
man would do. Would you just accept the fact that
35:58
somebody's out here saying that about you and not defend
36:01
yourself at all in court? Now, if you're guilty or
36:05
you think there's a chance that you might get outed,
36:09
well yeah, take the settlement. But for somebody like Prince Andrew,
36:13
it was never a good idea to take this settlement,
36:16
especially after all of the posturing. Remember he told us
36:19
how he was going to clear his name, how he
36:22
was ready to fight these allegations in court, and all
36:25
of the rest of the nonsense that we heard from
36:28
this guy constantly. Well, none of that came to pass,
36:31
and instead what he did was accept the settlement without
36:35
accepting liability. But if we're all being honest, why would
36:39
a man like Prince Andrew accept such a financial slap
36:44
in the grill if he never even met Virginia Roberts.
36:48
Now people will say it was just so he could
36:51
avoid embarrassing his mom and the royal family. I don't
36:55
buy that for a second. If he was worried about
36:58
embarrassing his mother and the royal family, this idiot would
37:01
have behaved in the manner befitting of a prince, and
37:05
he never did so. All of a sudden, he had
37:07
a come to Jesus moment where he cares about the
37:10
royal family and his mom. Stop it. This man cared
37:14
about himself and that is it. And from all of
37:17
the buffoonery I've seen recently, that still seems to be
37:21
the case. Today we have an article from Daily Mail
37:25
and in this article, David Boys talks about Prince Andrew
37:29
and the acceptance of this settlement. Headline exclusive, Prince Andrew
37:35
just wanted out how the Duke of York went from
37:38
stonewalling to reaching reported twelve million dollar settlement with Virginia
37:42
Roberts in less than a week to avoid deposition and trial.
37:47
Victim's lawyer reveals. And this article was authored by Daniel Bates.
37:54
And none of these people like Prince Andrew or Jess
37:57
Staley or Glenn Dubin or Bill Richardson or any of
38:02
them want to get to a point where it's deposition time,
38:05
because that's where the rubber meets the road, and they
38:08
realize that they're in serious jeopardy if they don't tell
38:11
the truth while they're under oath. And we've seen what
38:14
Maxwell how that played out for her after she was
38:17
slapped with two charges of perjury for lying during the
38:20
defamation trial. So these guys are all trying to avoid
38:24
that at all costs. And if you're guilty or you
38:27
have something to hide, then I can understand why. But
38:30
if you're somebody who's innocent, like a lot of these people,
38:33
want to tell us, well, shouldn't you be stepping up
38:36
to the plate and saying, I'm ready to see you
38:38
in court? What's up? But none of them have done that,
38:41
well besides Alan Dershowitz, and for him it seems to
38:45
have worked out at least decently, considering Virginia has said
38:49
that she misremembers now. But the rest of these dudes,
38:52
nobody has stepped up, nobody has tried to defend themselves
38:56
in court, and certainly nobody has provided any receipts. So
39:01
it's one thing to bandy about and talk about how
39:04
innocent you are, but it's a whole other thing when
39:07
you refuse to do it in a court of law.
39:12
The lawyer for Prince Andrew's accuser, Virginia Roberts, has revealed
39:15
details of the multimillion dollar settlement between his client and
39:19
the Duke of York for the first time. And let's
39:22
not fool ourselves and think that David Boys and his
39:26
law firm didn't benefit greatly from all of this. They did. Now,
39:30
they might not have been charging their clients any money,
39:33
but they knew they were gonna get paid on the
39:34
settlement end of it, and they were also going to
39:37
build some good will amongst people taking on a guy
39:40
like Jeffrey Epstein. That's how it works for these big
39:43
law firms, and that's why they took all of these
39:46
clients pro bono. It's not because they're altruistic. Attorney David
39:50
Boys told Delimeil dot com that Prince Andrew went from
39:54
stonewalling to reaching a deal in less than a week
39:58
because he just wanted out. But Andrew felt substantial discomfort
40:02
at having to pay or reported twelve million dollars. Boys said, yeah,
40:06
I could see that. Twelve million dollars. That's a lot
40:09
of dough, especially a lot of dough for something that
40:12
you're not responsible for. You know, Prince Andrew telling us
40:16
he didn't do it. He has no idea what anyone's
40:18
talking about. Yet he's coming out of the pocket for
40:21
twelve million fazzles. So something doesn't compute with me here.
40:26
Something's getting lost in the translation. Or maybe I'm just
40:29
a stupid moron. But if it was me, I wouldn't
40:32
pay anyone, not one single cent if I was innocent. Boys,
40:37
thinks Andrew can salvage his reputation, but only if he
40:40
admits his sin by acknowledging wrongdoing in order for the
40:44
public to forgive him. I highly doubt that. I think
40:47
that ship has already sailed to never come Backistan. Does
40:51
anyone ever really think that Prince Andrew is going to
40:54
be back in public life, unless, of course, he shows
40:58
up with some receipts and prove what he has to say.
41:01
If he has receipts that proves that Virginia Roberts is
41:04
lying about him, well then maybe. But besides that, I
41:08
don't care what kind of image campaign you try to launch,
41:12
nobody wants you back in public life and the taxpayers
41:15
of the UK especially. The comments come amid reports that
41:20
the Duke believes he should have fought the claims by
41:22
Roberts that he had sex with her three times when
41:25
she was a seventeen year old victim of the pedophile
41:28
Jeffrey Epstein. Look, I don't buy that for a minute. Okay,
41:32
he had the best representation money can buy. It doesn't
41:36
get better than Andrew Brettler and Marty Singer, none of
41:40
these other joker ass lawyers that you see all the
41:42
time out here talking about how great they are, yet
41:45
they never get anyone off. Meanwhile, Singer and Bretler are
41:50
over here making all kinds of moves out in Hollywood.
41:54
These are the lawyers that everybody wants to hire, and
41:57
Prince Andrew had them, retain them, and they represented him.
42:01
So I don't want to hear nonsense about how he
42:03
didn't have proper legal representation or how he was getting
42:07
bad advice. None of that occurred. Prince Andrew knew he
42:11
was in jeopardy, and now that that Jeopardy's gone, meaning
42:15
the lawsuit, he's out here posturing again and act in
42:18
the full. When the case was settled in February of
42:22
twenty twenty two, Andrew issued a joint statement with Roberts,
42:25
thirty nine, who was a mother of three living in
42:28
Australia under her married name. The statement said that Andrew
42:32
never intended to malign Miss Roberts's character and he accepts
42:36
that she has suffered both as an established victim of
42:39
abuse and as a result of unfair public attacks, but
42:44
he did not apologize. A gag order remained in effect
42:48
for a year, and now Roberts is said to be
42:50
writing a memoir. Speaking to delimail dot com, Boyce said
42:54
that a TV interview wouldn't help Andrew's case, especially after
42:59
the Prince's disease asters BBC interview in twenty nineteen. Does
43:03
anyone really think that another interview is the way to
43:06
go for Joe exotic of the Windsor Family. I mean,
43:10
this guy's lucky that he can pare his socks in
43:12
the morning, never mind get up there with a seasoned
43:15
interviewer and give a bang up job. More like another
43:20
car crash is incoming and certainly more embarrassment for the
43:24
royal family as a whole. However, the lawyer does believe
43:28
that a memoir might help his reputation depending on what
43:32
it said. I believe, both as a matter of religious
43:35
faith and human compassion, in the possibility of redemption. I
43:39
would not put Prince Andrew or any other child of
43:43
God beyond the possibility of redemption. But redemption has to
43:47
begin with the admission of sin, and thus far he
43:49
has been disinclined to do that. I think that's always
43:53
the first step. Yeah, I don't agree with any of that. Sorry,
43:56
some people can't be redeemed, and you would think that
43:59
a lawyer like David Boys would know better than thinking
44:02
that certain people can be redeemed. Look, if you're out
44:04
there molesting kids, you can't be redeemed. You're wired wrong,
44:08
you're defective, and you need to be buried underneath the prison.
44:12
The lawsuit against Andrew led to grimly comical scenes as
44:16
representatives of Boys tried repeatedly to serve the Duke with
44:20
legal papers at Royal Lodge in Windsor, where he lives.
44:24
A US judge eventually ruled that Andrew had been served
44:27
after Boys made a formal application to the British government
44:31
for help in getting him the paperwork. According to Boys,
44:35
Andrew went from stonewalling us to a deal in four
44:38
or five days, followed by mediation for another day or two.
44:43
The Duke changed his mind after suffering a series of
44:45
legal losses, including losing his motion to dismiss and the
44:49
judge ordering him to sit for a deposition, and that's
44:53
what it was all about. He didn't want to sit
44:55
for that deposition. All this other stuff he's talking about
44:58
is absolute non A week before Andrew was due to
45:03
be deposed, the case was settled. Boyce said, from our side,
45:07
we said there had to be a substantial amount of
45:10
money and there had to be an acceptable statement from
45:13
Prince Andrew. Those were really the two initial stumbling blocks,
45:17
and they were resolved within a few hours of each other.
45:20
Over a series of zoom meetings and phone calls with
45:23
Andrew's lawyers. The rest of the agreement was hashed out.
45:27
Boy said, Prince Andrew just wanted out. He was realistic
45:31
enough to know not to have any demands. He just
45:34
wanted to pay not very much money, and didn't want
45:37
to acknowledge Virginia or what he'd done and what his
45:41
position was that Virginia had made all this up and
45:45
wasn't really a victim. He claimed he didn't know anything
45:48
about Epstein's sex trafficking and had nothing to apologize for.
45:53
As well as the legal defeats, Boys credits Andrew's change
45:56
within bringing in experience counsel in the United States, referring
46:00
to Andrew Brettler, who at the time worked for Lavely
46:04
and Singer, the law firm with a reputation for helping
46:07
Hollywood stars make their problems disappear. One hundred percent, Bretler
46:14
is the man. I'm telling you right now. If you
46:16
talk to anybody in the know, that's what they'll tell you.
46:19
If you're somebody who's famous and you think somebody's going
46:22
after you, they're going to extort you whatever, you go
46:25
to Bretler, and Bretler makes that go away. And he
46:28
couldn't work his magic here, So that should tell you
46:30
everything you need to know. Brettler was less reluctant to
46:35
talk about the realities than maybe some of his UK council.
46:38
Boy said the change in mood was the most dramatic
46:42
in Boy's entire career, he said, adding I can't think
46:45
of a turnaround that changed as dramatically in such a
46:48
short time as this one did. He said, I have
46:52
a sense that Andrew probably had mixed emotions. I suspect
46:56
there was a substantial amount of relief, but also a
46:59
substantial amount of discomfort as to what he acknowledged and
47:03
the amount of money he had to pay. Boys declined
47:06
to comment on the amount of money the Duke paid
47:09
to Roberts, adding that was one area Andrew's lawyers insisted
47:13
he remained quiet about to avoid further embarrassment. Well, yeah, look,
47:18
the last thing you want to know or say is
47:20
that you gave a big ass bag a doe to
47:22
somebody who you never even met. According to you, makes
47:26
you look like an absolute and utter buffoon. Not that
47:29
Prince Andrew needed any help in that regard. Despite reports
47:33
that Andrew wants to try and overturn the settlement, Boys
47:36
scorned the idea. He said, if they want to get
47:39
out of the settlement, all they have to do is
47:41
call me and let me take Andrew's deposition and go
47:44
to trial. Boys is also representing an unnamed woman called
47:48
Jane Doe in a US lawsuit against American Bank JP
47:51
Morgan and Deutsche Bank. Doe alleges the banks facilitated Epstein's
47:56
sex trafficking operation by ignoring red flags about his finances.
48:01
The cases being keenly watched in the UK and the
48:04
US as JP Morgan. Former chief executive Jess Staley later
48:09
joined the London based Barclays Bank before being forced out
48:13
in twenty twenty one over his links to Epstein. Boyce
48:17
said that he felt that a civil case was not
48:21
the only remedy that Staley should be facing. He said,
48:24
my view is that prosecutors should have proceeded against a
48:28
number of people beyond Epstein and Maxwell. Yeah, no doubt
48:32
about that. And it's real unfortunate and cowardly that the
48:36
government refuses to go after any of these co conspirators.
48:40
Epstein and Maxwell could not have engaged in the sex
48:43
trafficking they did in the scope and scale for as
48:46
many years that they did without the support and collaboration
48:50
of a lot of people, and I think it's a
48:52
miscarriage of justice that those people are not being held
48:56
to account. Andrews US lawyers declined to comment, and a
49:00
lawyer for Staley did not respond to a request for comment.
49:04
And I found it interesting that boys said, if they
49:06
want out of the settlement. It's easy, give him a
49:09
call and he can sit down and be deposed. So
49:13
every time you hear Prince Andrew talking about he wants
49:15
to get out of the settlement, he thinks it's unfair, whatever,
49:19
YadA YadA YadA, well remember that all he has to
49:22
do is called David Boys so that he can sit
49:25
for a deposition, so that he has a chance to
49:27
defend himself like he keeps saying he wants to do.
49:31
But for some reason, folks, I highly doubt that's ever
49:36
going to occur, and instead, what we'll hear is more
49:40
belly aching, more whining, and certainly more complaining from the
49:45
Joe exotic of the Windsor family and the four people
49:48
who still support him. All right, folks, that's going to
49:52
do it for this one. All of the information that
49:54
goes with the episode can be found in the description box.