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- 0:15Speaker 2: Now, A nice life is that little something extra. It's
- 0:26Speaker 2: I experienced joy and pleasure and I made those things
- 0:29Speaker 2: for myself. I had agency, and I made choices that
- 0:33Speaker 2: allowed me to feel that little bit of sparkle, that
- 0:36Speaker 2: little bit of like twinkle in your eye, that spring
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- 0:44Speaker 3: You're listening to Life Kit. I'm Mary el Sagata. We
- 0:47Speaker 3: did a live taping recently at wr Fest, a festival
- 0:51Speaker 3: hosted by Boston and PR station WR Fun Fact, also
- 0:55Speaker 3: where I started out as a public radio intern. The
- 0:58Speaker 3: topic was to have a nice life, and our guest
- 1:02Speaker 3: was Rachel Wilkerson Miller, who's the senior editor of Box
- 1:05Speaker 3: and has a book coming out called The Nice Life,
- 1:08Speaker 3: How to elevate the every day and find joy in
- 1:11Speaker 3: what you have. Yeah, I think there's a bit of
- 1:15Speaker 3: elegance in a nice life. But again, not when when
- 1:19Speaker 3: we say elegance, I think we often would think of
- 1:22Speaker 3: spending a lot of money. But we've talked about this.
- 1:25Speaker 3: Can you buy your way to a nice life? Say not?
- 1:27Speaker 3: And not to me?
- 1:27Speaker 2: Is central I say in the book, It's about punching
- 1:30Speaker 2: above your weight without living above your means. It's about
- 1:33Speaker 2: finding ways to elevate, to bring a little something extra
- 1:36Speaker 2: that often doesn't cost money. Like it could be a
- 1:39Speaker 2: meaningful conversation with a friend or a neighbor. It could
- 1:42Speaker 2: be something you thrifted or got at a garage sale
- 1:45Speaker 2: or found in the garbage that brings you a lot
- 1:47Speaker 2: of joy. It could be something that you make yourself
- 1:49Speaker 2: and use very inexpensive materials, or again, something you found
- 1:53Speaker 2: in the recycling bin. I think people sort of know
- 1:55Speaker 2: those things when they see them. But so much of
- 1:57Speaker 2: it goes back to creativity, art and can action with
- 2:00Speaker 2: other people.
- 2:03Speaker 3: On this episode of Life Kit, you'll hear that conversation.
- 2:05Speaker 1: We talk about art.
- 2:07Speaker 3: And beauty, curiosity, falcons ulysses, us, grant and much more.
- 2:21Speaker 3: In the book, you lay out qualities to pursue if
- 2:24Speaker 3: you are trying to cultivate a nice life, and one
- 2:27Speaker 3: of those is beauty. Can you talk about what that
- 2:29Speaker 3: means to you?
- 2:31Speaker 2: So I mentioned art is a huge part of this,
- 2:33Speaker 2: and I think beauty can exist in a lot of
- 2:35Speaker 2: different ways. It could be a beautiful building or architecture,
- 2:38Speaker 2: or the face of somebody you care about, or a flower.
- 2:42Speaker 2: I think just starting to look for it and really
- 2:44Speaker 2: orienting yourself toward it is so exciting and thrilling, and again,
- 2:49Speaker 2: it helps remind you that, oh, these things exist in
- 2:51Speaker 2: all these different places. It's not necessarily about something that
- 2:55Speaker 2: is expensive or that I'm seeing on Instagram that I
- 2:57Speaker 2: want to buy. It can be so much simpler than that.
- 3:00Speaker 2: It's so often human made. And I think really starting
- 3:03Speaker 2: to look for art in my everyday life was a
- 3:05Speaker 2: really transformative experience because I used to think of art
- 3:08Speaker 2: as something that I went out and did, and I.
- 3:11Speaker 4: Still do that.
- 3:11Speaker 2: I still go to shows and I go to museums
- 3:14Speaker 2: and I love those experiences. But there's art everywhere, and
- 3:18Speaker 2: I think once you start to notice it, it's so
- 3:20Speaker 2: satisfying and reassuring and kind of thrilling. And that's a
- 3:24Speaker 2: really easy example of how to just find a little
- 3:26Speaker 2: bit of beauty in your everyday life.
- 3:29Speaker 3: Well, let's talk about the consumer aspect of it, because
- 3:33Speaker 3: I feel like when you are seeking especially beauty in
- 3:37Speaker 3: your space. You can end up thinking that means I
- 3:40Speaker 3: have to buy all this stuff, and you can also
- 3:43Speaker 3: sort of be stealing from your own joy because you're
- 3:47Speaker 3: working towards some future version of you and your home,
- 3:52Speaker 3: for instance, where everything's going to be perfect and look
- 3:54Speaker 3: just like a magazine, and that to me seems like
- 3:56Speaker 3: the opposite of a nice life. I wonder what you're
- 3:59Speaker 3: advice for folks who find themselves in that spiral aka me, Well.
- 4:05Speaker 2: I should say for starters like I am not a minimalist,
- 4:07Speaker 2: so I understand this tension very well. And I think
- 4:10Speaker 2: one thing I've had to learn over the years is
- 4:13Speaker 2: what stuff will actually make me happy or mean something
- 4:17Speaker 2: to me, and what stuff I will regret kind of
- 4:20Speaker 2: immediately or it will end up in a landfill. And
- 4:24Speaker 2: there was in my twenties where I was like, I
- 4:25Speaker 2: can't just keep buying dresses from forever twenty one. This
- 4:28Speaker 2: is wasteful and bad, and I really had to cut
- 4:31Speaker 2: myself off and that forced me to slow down. And
- 4:34Speaker 2: it was like, if I'm going to buy something, I'm
- 4:36Speaker 2: gonna have to wear this for a long time, so
- 4:38Speaker 2: I need to take good care of it. I need
- 4:40Speaker 2: to feel relatively confident I will continue to wear it
- 4:43Speaker 2: for a while, even if it's forever twenty one, even
- 4:46Speaker 2: if it's from a thrift store and it was originally
- 4:47Speaker 2: from forever twenty one, Like, how can I treat it
- 4:50Speaker 2: like it matters? Because I think there's this mindset of like, oh,
- 4:53Speaker 2: buy nicer things, but buy less of them, and like, sure,
- 4:56Speaker 2: but if you can't afford to buy nicer things, you
- 4:59Speaker 2: might still need to try I buy less and treat
- 5:01Speaker 2: it well. And I think that that mindset really helped me,
- 5:04Speaker 2: hone what I like for starters. I think so much
- 5:07Speaker 2: of the I'm buying this and why did I buy
- 5:09Speaker 2: this comes from not really knowing yourself or knowing your intention.
- 5:13Speaker 2: So I think just getting in the habit of taking
- 5:15Speaker 2: this a second to ask yourself what does this mean
- 5:18Speaker 2: to me? And I think with your home in particular,
- 5:22Speaker 2: it's very easy to feel sort of influenced by what
- 5:24Speaker 2: you're seeing online in a given moment that doesn't really
- 5:29Speaker 2: make for a home that feels cozy or that you
- 5:31Speaker 2: actually want to be in.
- 5:32Speaker 3: I don't know.
- 5:32Speaker 2: Sometimes I watch these home tours of celebrities and I'm
- 5:35Speaker 2: just like, where's your stuff? Like, where's your stuff? Because
- 5:39Speaker 2: it doesn't feel like they chose it. And I think
- 5:41Speaker 2: that's the big thing, is you choosing something?
- 5:51Speaker 3: All right, y'all take away one. If you want to
- 5:54Speaker 3: have a nice life, seek beauty wherever you can. That
- 5:58Speaker 3: doesn't necessarily mean buying anything. Look around you. What did
- 6:01Speaker 3: you see today that was beautiful? When we come back,
- 6:05Speaker 3: more from Rachel about how to cultivate the skill of noticing.
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- 7:32Speaker 3: A lot of this goes back to the art of noticing.
- 7:36Speaker 3: At Life Kit, we talk about this a lot. We
- 7:37Speaker 3: talk about basically mindfulness techniques that help you stay present
- 7:42Speaker 3: and help you just live a happier life. I would say,
- 7:46Speaker 3: live a life where you're seeing what's in front of you,
- 7:49Speaker 3: and part of that is about putting down your phone
- 7:52Speaker 3: so that you can notice things and leaving space to notice.
- 7:56Speaker 2: All of this is a way of stepping outside of yourself,
- 7:59Speaker 2: and I think that's important. I think, especially if you're
- 8:01Speaker 2: on your phone a lot, or only talking to your partner,
- 8:05Speaker 2: a couple coworkers, or whoever. You forget there's a big
- 8:07Speaker 2: world out there. We're going to get through this. It's
- 8:10Speaker 2: going to be okay. And I think that perspective and
- 8:13Speaker 2: feeling a little small is helpful. Like one of the
- 8:16Speaker 2: things I like about art and museums is it's like,
- 8:18Speaker 2: oh my god, three hundred years ago people were concerned
- 8:21Speaker 2: about the same things. They were concerned about war and
- 8:24Speaker 2: losing a loved one and grieving, but they were also
- 8:26Speaker 2: they loved their pet and they wanted to, you know,
- 8:29Speaker 2: remember this beautiful peach. And I think just seeing that
- 8:33Speaker 2: really helps me when I'm struggling to just step outside
- 8:35Speaker 2: of myself and to sort of get that perspective that
- 8:37Speaker 2: can be hard day to day.
- 8:39Speaker 3: Yeah, I think it's a good day to day practice,
- 8:42Speaker 3: and it's also a good break glass in case of emergency,
- 8:45Speaker 3: like you are really pissed off, and turning my mind
- 8:52Speaker 3: to beauty and just like noticing the present can help
- 8:57Speaker 3: a lot with I think anxiety and also with nerves
- 9:02Speaker 3: in general. Like I was playing softball the other day
- 9:05Speaker 3: and a falcon came and landed on the fence of
- 9:09Speaker 3: the dugout. I'd never seen one before. They are so beautiful,
- 9:14Speaker 3: and like everyone sort of turned and looked at the
- 9:16Speaker 3: falcon for you know, a minute, because the softball game
- 9:19Speaker 3: could pause. It's just a rec league softball game, but
- 9:22Speaker 3: it was this huge opportunity to see this gorgeous bird,
- 9:25Speaker 3: which gets to another point in your book about curiosity.
- 9:29Speaker 2: I love this. So I interviewed an a researcher for
- 9:33Speaker 2: this book, who was incredible. He researches AWE as a
- 9:36Speaker 2: way of being resilient.
- 9:37Speaker 3: And AWE is like, what is How can you define awe?
- 9:41Speaker 2: You can describe it as something that moves you, that
- 9:42Speaker 2: like forces you to accommodate a new way of thinking.
- 9:46Speaker 2: And he and I talked about like, that's like big
- 9:48Speaker 2: AWE that's standing in front of the Grand Canyon and
- 9:50Speaker 2: feeling so moved and a little afraid, But there's also
- 9:54Speaker 2: little AWE, which you can't experience the Grand Canyon every day,
- 9:58Speaker 2: Like those are going to be rare moments about your life,
- 10:01Speaker 2: but little AWE might be just seeing a flower or
- 10:03Speaker 2: seeing a falcon. Yeah, these moments that are not so transformative,
- 10:07Speaker 2: but that they do pull you out of your own head,
- 10:10Speaker 2: help you in the present moment spark curiosity. And one
- 10:14Speaker 2: of the things that he was saying is that AWE
- 10:16Speaker 2: on its own is great, but the experience of talking
- 10:18Speaker 2: about or experiencing all with somebody else is even better.
- 10:22Speaker 2: So just you sharing this story right now is like
- 10:25Speaker 2: a great way of connecting because now I'm learning something
- 10:28Speaker 2: about you and like we can like sort of share
- 10:30Speaker 2: in this together. That's a perfect encapsulation of the sort
- 10:33Speaker 2: of curiosity and moments that to me make up a
- 10:36Speaker 2: nice life.
- 10:37Speaker 3: Yeah. I think sometimes it's about remembering that you have
- 10:40Speaker 3: agency in a lot of situations that you might not think,
- 10:43Speaker 3: like places where we're on autopilot. You're in the middle
- 10:47Speaker 3: of a softball game, or you're in the middle of
- 10:49Speaker 3: a meeting or the middle of a doctor's appointment, where
- 10:51Speaker 3: someplace where you're not supposed to stop and you ask
- 10:55Speaker 3: a question, someplace where you're not supposed to stop and
- 10:57Speaker 3: notice something funny or beautiful. Well, but we actually have
- 11:02Speaker 3: in a lot of situations agency to stop and do that,
- 11:05Speaker 3: and people will appreciate it more than you might think.
- 11:08Speaker 2: I think that's a big thing is that people actually
- 11:10Speaker 2: welcome it. And again it's that moment of reaching out
- 11:13Speaker 2: and sort of offering an opportunity for connection. People are
- 11:16Speaker 2: too afraid to ask for it, and so you can
- 11:18Speaker 2: give somebody the gift of going first. The sharing involved
- 11:22Speaker 2: in that I find so meaningful and uplifting and important.
- 11:29Speaker 3: All right, take away too. Another element of a nice life,
- 11:32Speaker 3: According to Rachel is curiosity. What is something that you've
- 11:41Speaker 3: become really curious about lately.
- 11:43Speaker 2: Well, I've been reading a book the past week essentially
- 11:46Speaker 2: about the building I live in and the type of
- 11:47Speaker 2: building I live in. It's a former limited equity co op,
- 11:50Speaker 2: which is a very specific type of housing in New
- 11:52Speaker 2: York City. So I've been reading about the history of
- 11:55Speaker 2: that and how this building and other ones like it
- 11:58Speaker 2: were built. So that is a very close to home
- 12:00Speaker 2: version of it. That was also inspired. I live near
- 12:02Speaker 2: the Tenement Museum, so doing a tour there was really
- 12:06Speaker 2: interesting and kind of the connection between all of these things.
- 12:09Speaker 2: So I would say I'm very curious about my neighborhood,
- 12:12Speaker 2: and it's been a pleasure to learn more about the
- 12:14Speaker 2: place I live and to see the places I go
- 12:16Speaker 2: or live mentioned in a book and to be able
- 12:19Speaker 2: to read the history of it is really thrilling. So
- 12:22Speaker 2: that's just a cool opportunity. But I think looking for
- 12:24Speaker 2: curiosity close to home is a great place to start.
- 12:28Speaker 3: I have been getting really into the presidents lately.
- 12:31Speaker 2: Oh, that's a good one.
- 12:32Speaker 3: There are certain presidents that I'm learning about, and now
- 12:34Speaker 3: I'm getting into the ones that we weren't taught, so
- 12:37Speaker 3: much about in school, like Ulysses s Grant, who is
- 12:40Speaker 3: so interesting?
- 12:42Speaker 2: I'm guilty of late night my partner falls asleep and
- 12:45Speaker 2: I'm just on Wikipedia trying to answer a question. Yeah,
- 12:48Speaker 2: and I think you might be a similar type of person.
- 12:50Speaker 2: And I think just starting with the question of like
- 12:52Speaker 2: I want to know more about that, I don't know.
- 12:53Speaker 2: I don't need to explain myself. I just like to
- 12:55Speaker 2: know more. And following it as far as it takes
- 12:58Speaker 2: you is such a pleasure and it's nice to just again,
- 13:01Speaker 2: I'm seeking this out. Isn't this interesting? What can it
- 13:05Speaker 2: tell me about the world we live in or myself
- 13:07Speaker 2: or just be entertaining And it's such a delight anything
- 13:11Speaker 2: that can connect you to other people throughout history or
- 13:14Speaker 2: other people right now, but just something that reminds you
- 13:18Speaker 2: this feeling i'm having or this experience that I'm having
- 13:21Speaker 2: is not uniquely mine, and I look at that as
- 13:23Speaker 2: a good thing. Whether it's a good feeling or a
- 13:27Speaker 2: bad feeling, I think it's important to remember that somebody
- 13:30Speaker 2: else has felt it before. That makes me feel better,
- 13:34Speaker 2: It makes me feel more connected to people, it makes
- 13:36Speaker 2: me feel more empathetic. So I think that is one
- 13:39Speaker 2: of the great things about art is that it's this
- 13:41Speaker 2: like tangible proof that somebody felt this way before, and
- 13:44Speaker 2: curiosity is like what draws you to it in this moment.
- 13:47Speaker 3: Yeah, I like to think of curiosity as adding texture
- 13:51Speaker 3: to my day, adding color.
- 13:53Speaker 2: One hundred percent. And one of the researchers I spoke
- 13:56Speaker 2: to for the book who researches curiosity, made the point
- 13:59Speaker 2: that we often think of it as Wikipedia rabbit holes,
- 14:02Speaker 2: but curiosity can also just be asking another person about
- 14:05Speaker 2: their life or their experiences, and so you don't necessarily
- 14:08Speaker 2: have to do it in that way if that's not
- 14:10Speaker 2: how you want to or whatever the case may be. Like,
- 14:12Speaker 2: you can satisfy your curiosity by just talking to somebody,
- 14:15Speaker 2: And I think that's a really good reminder that there
- 14:18Speaker 2: are interesting people and experiences all around us all the time,
- 14:22Speaker 2: and like you could think about aging by reading this book,
- 14:25Speaker 2: but you could also, you know, talk to a family
- 14:28Speaker 2: member or a neighbor or a coworker. Like, there's so
- 14:31Speaker 2: many ways to do curiosity, and I think just remembering
- 14:34Speaker 2: other people are a great way to do it as well.
- 14:36Speaker 2: Was one of the lessons I took away from this.
- 14:41Speaker 3: When we're back, I read some questions from the audience
- 14:44Speaker 3: about how community and values fit into a nice life.
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- 15:48Speaker 3: We actually have a couple questions here about the nice
- 15:51Speaker 3: life and community. You know, in this age where a
- 15:55Speaker 3: lot of people are lonely, what advice do you have
- 15:58Speaker 3: for forging connections?
- 16:00Speaker 2: And it starts with just deepening the relationships that you
- 16:03Speaker 2: do have. Sometimes people feel like, oh, we have a connection.
- 16:06Speaker 2: I think this could be something more, but they feel
- 16:08Speaker 2: a little too shy to take that step further. And
- 16:11Speaker 2: I think that's the part where I'm like, just give
- 16:14Speaker 2: yourself permission to do that. You have to sometimes be
- 16:17Speaker 2: willing to invite other people, and it won't always work out.
- 16:20Speaker 2: Not everyone will be your person. But I think the
- 16:23Speaker 2: more that you practice that, the less scary it feels
- 16:25Speaker 2: and the easier it is, And you can just get
- 16:28Speaker 2: better at striking up a conversation and realizing that the
- 16:31Speaker 2: person on the other side will probably be very excited
- 16:33Speaker 2: about it and very rarely will they be rude or mean,
- 16:36Speaker 2: and if they are, it will be fine.
- 16:40Speaker 3: Take Away three. As Rachel says in her book, a
- 16:43Speaker 3: nice life is a shared life, one in which you
- 16:46Speaker 3: forge authentic connections with interesting people and move through the
- 16:49Speaker 3: world with generosity. So this is a really interesting question.
- 16:58Speaker 3: It says some of the traits you describe for having
- 17:00Speaker 3: a nice life sound women coded. Do you think there's
- 17:03Speaker 3: a gendered element to a nice life and do men
- 17:06Speaker 3: achieve it differently?
- 17:07Speaker 2: That's a good question. I would say that I would
- 17:11Speaker 2: describe my interests as very women coded, and they always
- 17:14Speaker 2: have been, and I've never really apologized for that, because
- 17:17Speaker 2: to me, these are inherently good things and everyone should
- 17:20Speaker 2: pursue them. I hope that more men feel comfortable pursuing
- 17:24Speaker 2: these things if they feel nice to them. And again,
- 17:27Speaker 2: beauty can be defined however you want it to be.
- 17:29Speaker 2: Curiosity can lead you wherever it leads you. It should
- 17:32Speaker 2: be sort of this authentic experience. But I would hate
- 17:35Speaker 2: for people to deprive themselves of art and connection with
- 17:39Speaker 2: other people and good food and joy and play because
- 17:43Speaker 2: they feel like it competes with their version of what
- 17:46Speaker 2: their gender should be like. Honestly, that idea bums me
- 17:49Speaker 2: out so much so that I hope that if men
- 17:51Speaker 2: don't feel comfortable with this right now, that they stop
- 17:55Speaker 2: and think, like, there's space for you here. And even
- 17:59Speaker 2: if it feels a little hard at first, I think
- 18:01Speaker 2: once you start to do it, it's such an immediate
- 18:04Speaker 2: gratification that you kind of stop thinking about that stuff.
- 18:08Speaker 3: I mean, I think some of the interests I expressed,
- 18:10Speaker 3: or the examples I gave, are sort of masculine coded.
- 18:13Speaker 3: I was out playing softball saw a falcon. I'm learning
- 18:19Speaker 3: about Ulysses s Grant. Very true, right, there's a lot
- 18:23Speaker 3: for you here. Whoever asked that question?
- 18:26Speaker 2: I think it's the vulnerability in the community piece that
- 18:28Speaker 2: maybe it's harder. But again, people really want to connect,
- 18:32Speaker 2: they really want to make friends. They're hoping somebody will
- 18:34Speaker 2: offer that, And so again, if that's what you want,
- 18:37Speaker 2: just reach out again. There will be somebody there who's
- 18:40Speaker 2: excited to hear from you.
- 18:42Speaker 3: I think there's an element here of deciding what your
- 18:45Speaker 3: values are and what makes a nice life for you.
- 18:48Speaker 3: A lot of the ones that you laid out feel universal,
- 18:51Speaker 3: you know, whether it's about connection and community or art
- 18:56Speaker 3: and curiosity and beauty. But there might be others too. Service,
- 19:01Speaker 3: for instance, is another one.
- 19:03Speaker 2: Or family could be another world. Like, there's so many
- 19:06Speaker 2: ways to define your nice life, and I think I
- 19:09Speaker 2: tried to pick things that felt really universal across time
- 19:12Speaker 2: and space. But I think this is really about making
- 19:15Speaker 2: decisions that matter to you, that with intention, and you
- 19:18Speaker 2: can't do that if you don't know what matters to you.
- 19:20Speaker 2: So taking a step back and saying what is important
- 19:23Speaker 2: to me? What do I want to be able to
- 19:24Speaker 2: say that I've done in five years or ten years.
- 19:27Speaker 2: What do I want to experience will take you very far.
- 19:30Speaker 2: So that is a really good place to start and
- 19:32Speaker 2: help you make decisions around how you want to live
- 19:35Speaker 2: your life.
- 19:36Speaker 3: All right, everybody, thank you so much, Thanks Rachel.
- 19:40Speaker 2: Thank you.
- 19:49Speaker 3: Okay, y'all, it's time for a recap. Take Away one.
- 19:52Speaker 3: If you want to have a nice life, seek beauty.
- 19:55Speaker 3: That doesn't necessarily mean buying anything. Look around you. What
- 19:59Speaker 3: did you see today that was beautiful? Allow yourself to
- 20:02Speaker 3: experience awe when you look at a bird or a flower,
- 20:05Speaker 3: or an architectural marvel or a really old book. Take
- 20:09Speaker 3: Away two. Another element of a nice life, according to Rachel,
- 20:13Speaker 3: is curiosity. When you notice something beautiful or interesting or
- 20:17Speaker 3: different in your day to day life and you fall
- 20:19Speaker 3: down the rabbit hole a little bit. You can satisfy
- 20:22Speaker 3: your curiosity at the library or on Wikipedia, or by
- 20:26Speaker 3: watching historical documentaries, or just by learning about other people
- 20:29Speaker 3: asking them questions. Take Away three. As Rachel says in
- 20:33Speaker 3: her book, a nice life is a shared life. So
- 20:36Speaker 3: get to know other people, build community, and remember these
- 20:40Speaker 3: are just a starting point. Think about your own values
- 20:43Speaker 3: and what'll make your life feel special. A little sparkly
- 20:46Speaker 3: and a little extra. All right, that's our show. If
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- 21:07Speaker 3: This episode of Life Kate was produced by Margaret Serino.
- 21:10Speaker 3: Our digital editor is Malica Greeb, and our visuals editor
- 21:13Speaker 3: is c. J. Rikolon. Lauren Gonzalz is our executive producer,
- 21:17Speaker 3: and Megan Kane is our senior supervising editor. Our production
- 21:20Speaker 3: team also includes Andy Tagle, Claire Murie Schneider, and Sylvia Douglas.
- 21:25Speaker 3: Engineering support comes from Peter Alena. Special thanks to Stephen Davey,
- 21:29Speaker 3: Eva Rosenberg and Ben Brock Johnson at WBR. I'm Mariel Sagara,
- 21:35Speaker 3: thanks for listening.
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