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EP 33: Breaking Down The NFC Standings After Week 7 · 3 Guys, 6 Balls NFL Podcast

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  3 lifelong friends, 6 trusty balls and endless NFL ticks.
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  Welcome to three guys 6 Balls NFL podcast.
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  Welcome to episode 33 of Three guys 6 balls NFL podcast.
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  Today we have a guest joining us from Fun Football Podcast.
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  It is Isaac. How you doing today man?
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  Good, man. You know, it's always nice when
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  you barely beat the Arizona Cardinals.
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  You got to feel great about that.
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  Just squeak it out and make it look really difficult.
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  But I'm doing good, man. I just got back from a cruise,
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  it was a lot of fun. Got this there doing pretty
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  good. Just got off the boat on
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  Saturday, it was fun. All right, nice, nice.
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  Well, why don't you go ahead and get us started by just telling
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  us a little bit about your podcast.
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  I've been able to go on your podcast.
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  Avery and Will weren't able to make that, but we had a lot of
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  fun on your podcast. And so I expect to have a lot of
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  fun with the four of us today, but just let everybody know
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  about your podcast a little bit and where we can find you on
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  social media. I typically go Friday nights.
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  Last couple Fridays I was gone on that trip, but you can find
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  me on YouTube, Instagram, Tic tac, tic, tic tac, tic tock,
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  Spotify everywhere. Yeah, tic tac, whatever.
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  Like I'm doing a fantasy show there later tonight on it's a
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  Tuesday. But yeah, man, I do Friday night
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  shows. Had a blast.
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  Had Blaine Bishop on right before I took that break.
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  Got a cool show lined up next week and typically on Fridays,
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  but I do shorts all the time like you guys.
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  And it's been a fun season, man. I've been.
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  It's been a weird one as a Packers fan.
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  But yeah, it was fun having you on.
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  Joel. I would love to have all three
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  of you on in the future if we can line up a Friday night.
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  But yeah, I know you guys are busy.
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  Yeah. But thanks for having me on,
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  man. I appreciate it.
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  Yeah. All right.
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  Yeah, we'll definitely have to do the four of us on your show
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  one time. That'd be that'd be a lot of.
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  Fun. That'd be cool.
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  All right. So today we are going to be
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  talking about the NFC side of things.
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  Last week we talked about the AFC and how the playoff picture
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  looks after Week 6. Today we're going to talk about
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  the NFC and how things look after Week 7 and kind of do some
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  predictions there. But to get us started as a just
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  so you know, Will does a weekly recap for us every week.
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  So Will I'll turn the time over to you for your Week 7 recap.
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  OK, here we go. Week 7 in the book started off
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  Thursday night. Steelers at the Bengals every.
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  close your eyes for a second. The year is 2011.
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  We had Joe Flacco versus Aaron Rodgers in prime time. 577 total
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  passing yards, 7 touchdown between the two quarterbacks.
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  Oh, wait a minute, it's 2025. These two were still playing.
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  That was Thursday night's game. Joe Flacco is out here saving
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  Bengals players and coaches jobs one game at a time.
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  No one is happier than Zach Taylor.
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  Maybe Jamar Chase that that Joe still has some left in the tank.
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  Then early Sunday morning we had Rams at Jags in London which is
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  supposed to be a home game for the Jags.
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  The Rams go over on Saturday for the Sunday game, then all they
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  do is going to have 5 passing touchdowns with no puka.
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  Rams win that one easy. Eagles, Vikings.
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  Carson wins is possibly the most reckless person with the
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  football I've ever seen. Also the Eagles remember they
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  couldn't pass the ball but at they cut what it caused the fact
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  that Saquon forgot how to run the football Pat's hat Titans my
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  favorite Rabel revenge game went as expected.
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  Drake made looking at the pro Bowler he is Panthers jets
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  played football dolphins Browns Darren Gaber with his first one
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  as a starter, although he didn't have to do anything.
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  That's just how bad the Dolphins team is this year.
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  Saints hat Bears Bears win four in a row go into a bye week.
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  They are playing the Ravens after their bye week and they're
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  supposed to have Lamar everybody back and so like it's a big
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  thing, but 6 1/2 point underdog when you're when you're a four
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  four win streak, that's pretty embarrassing here at Raiders at
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  chiefs. The chiefs is the chiefs and
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  they currently be chief in Colts Chargers.
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  How dare the Los Angeles Chargers make us hard working
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  Americans and people over the world watch a football game
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  while they're out there looking like that Papa grew the.
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  Banana bananas you talking about?
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  Yeah, Papa grew. By the way, the Indiana Jones
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  came out and whooped up on his minions.
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  That's what happened, Giants at Broncos this game showcase
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  leaving too much time in the clock.
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  Mint 33 points in the fourth quarter is unreal.
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  Now at the Broncos configure how to play all four quarters.
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  They should just be fine. Packers Cardinals week after
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  week. Carla Murray's watching his
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  starting job dwindler way Packers win even though the
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  Cardinals were statistically better and most every column.
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  But who cares about stats anyway?
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  Sergio Commanders, Cowboys. Jane Daniels gets hurt, but it
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  wouldn't matter anyway. Cowboys move to a perfect 500
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  record at 3, three and one on the season, and they're four of
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  them, finishing the season 888 and one in honor of Jason
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  Garrett, the Falcons 49ers CMC in the bag of rocks, win again,
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  making Shanahan question Mr. Relevance contract.
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  Week after week. We're going to move to the
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  nightcap games. Seahawks at or Yeah, Texans at
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  Seahawks, 7:00 PM Pacific Time, kick off which 10:00 PM Eastern
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  Time. No one over there watched it
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  kick off in Seattle that night. Now, I could have been the best
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  night in Seattle in decades, but the Mariners came up short in
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  game seven of the ALCS. That's all right for the
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  Seahawks. Hit some home runs with Donald
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  and JSN to help recover the wounds.
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  If anybody was still sober enough to watch that game in
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  Seattle. And then we've got Buccaneers,
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  Lions. I skipped this one on purpose
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  for you boys probably have something to say about it.
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  Jamir Gibbs had his way with the team from Tampa Bay.
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  Baker. All right, let's let me slow
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  this down again. Baker dropped back to pass 54
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  times in that game. He attempted 50 passes, got
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  sacked 4 times. That is too many passes.
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  They only had 12 rushing attempts.
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  It is too many passes for a team where your receivers are out.
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  Everyone's hurt and came, came back early or not, or got hurt
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  again in the game. That's too many passes, too many
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  attempts. All right, Joel Avery, your
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  first loss as Buccaneers fans. Second, I think, I think, yeah,
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  we were. We were.
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  Fans before we announced it. They the Lions did us a favor
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  and knocked the Packers to number one in the NFC because
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  the Bucks were first. Yeah, because that's.
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  Sweet tie A 40 point tie. That was a good one, yeah.
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  So I actually I asked Will to put that game last because I
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  wanted to transition into that game because I have some
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  thoughts on it, but I wanted to go last with my with with my
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  thoughts. So if you guys have any thoughts
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  on that game, kind of what what, what did you guys take away from
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  that game? I'm curious what you guys think.
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  I'll let Isaac go first, Azzy. Good time, good time mate.
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  The Bucks, Yeah, I know, right? The Bucks need their weapons to
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  figure out what type of team they are, just like the 49ers.
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  To me. We're not going to know.
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  And it sucks because now Mike Evans is going to be out for an
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  extended period. I think they'll be OK with
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  IGBUCA and Tez hopefully, because we don't know if we're
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  going to see McMillan. It just sucks because like I
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  want to see them with most of their full complement at the
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  same point. I think this proved that the
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  Lions, I would love to sit here and brag about my Packers, but
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  I'm not really that impressed with them.
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  They're a good team. No, I know that, but I think
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  this proved the Lions of the team to beat right now in the
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  NFCI. Don't think it's Philly.
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  I like the Rams, I like the Bucks, but at this moment,
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  health considering, I think the Lions proved that they're the
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  favor. And it's a little unfortunate.
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  Like, gosh, man, Baker did not look that good.
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  Seriously, I was that was a little concerning.
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  I've got him in one of my fantasy leagues.
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  But I'm impressed with the Lions how they've adjusted coming off
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  both these coordinators losses since that first game, they've
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  mostly looked dominant. I love their formula of leaning
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  on Jamir Gibbs. I think that's the way to go and
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  I want to see the bit the Bucks and the 49ers get mostly holes
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  so we can see what they can be. That's my thoughts.
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  I agree with Isaac. I think, yeah, the Lions are at
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  least. I mean, I don't know about the
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  team to beat. I would say that is the team
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  that I'm sure any other team would not want to face.
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  That would be the last one. And yeah, and especially with
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  that momentum, I I feel like the Bucks were never really as good
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  as five and one. They kind of snuck their way out
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  of all their wins except for one.
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  I think there was Joel and I listen to this miked up with
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  this offensive lineman and he's sitting on the bench and he's I
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  think this is the first time we haven't been like struggling to
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  pull this one out. Like it's kind of nice just
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  being able to sit here knowing, you know, with a couple minutes
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  left that it that that, you know, we're good.
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  That being said, I've recently been more of the opinion I
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  think. I can't remember who I heard say
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  it. It wasn't I I didn't make it up
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  but someone said like you don't pay skill players.
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  I don't know if that got discussed here somewhere else.
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  That was. With.
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  That was with Germ from Stuff About Sports.
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  Yeah, yeah, I remember him. I remember him saying that and I
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  was like, that's kind of, I mean, you want those good, but
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  those are the exciting players. But I'm also.
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  Of the opinion, like Kate, these are all professional football
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  players. All of these guys excelled in
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  college. I mean, yeah, there there's,
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  there's differences and you know, when you get to the
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  highest levels, like, OK, there's a big difference here.
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  But I feel like with receivers, like, OK, can you run, can you
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  catch, can you run a route? Can you memorize a play?
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  I, I, I feel like, dude, if you're open, you're open.
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  I I mean, if if if you need a top wide receiver to be able to
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  grab 5050 balls out of the air, you know, Megatron, Julio Jones,
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  like, yeah, that's one thing. But I think Tez Johnson is an
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  example. Now, of course, he's very small,
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  but he's very shifty. He got a bad 4-5, but forty
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  time, but he can still I don't think he didn't even hit 4-5.
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  I think it was it 4-5. I'm getting hung up.
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  I. Got you and I got.
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  You anyway, the whole thing is, I mean dude's a seventh round
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  draft pick and people were chanting MVP, not at him, but
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  they were chanting MVP and so I I see. 451. 451 And I think he
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  was. He's the slowest at his weight.
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  He's like the slowest receiver to ever go through the combine.
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  Anyway. Just seeing that, seeing what
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  they've been able to do the whole season with those
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  receivers, I feel like that kind of goes back to the coaching and
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  a little bit of Baker Mayfield's like, dude, you've been making,
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  you've been making this seventh round pick feel like an MVP
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  after one catch. It's like you guys have it here.
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  However, I just feel like they have been propped up a little
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  too much. I feel like we've been giving
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  them, I don't say giving them too much credit, pulling out
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  those wins is impressive, but not as like, oh, this is a team
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  I don't want to face. I feel like they just get more
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  lucky. I'm not saying they're bad, but
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  I do feel like those injuries are hurting them hard.
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  And I think if anything, the Lions lost kind of woke them up.
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  I felt like they weren't at least on the run defense.
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  It didn't look like they were really trying.
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  Maybe they were, but some of those, just some of the some of
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  the defensive plays just were very questionable.
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  But anyway, go ahead, Joel. I want to hear what Will has to
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  say first. I was reffing AJV football game
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  here in Oregon on Monday night during the first game and didn't
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  get home until the second game so I was kind of happy.
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  There was 2 games on Monday that night so I actually didn't get
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  to watch it. But from the replay I mean I
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  kind of said my thoughts. 54 drop backs for Baker without all
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  of his weapons is too many. And I get you were behind and I
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  get you had to play catch up. There is, I don't know if
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  there's a single quarterback in the league right now do I would
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  say you should be dropping back 54 times in a game even to play
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  catch up. That's just too many.
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  I wouldn't even want Mahomes doing that and they don't have a
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  running game. And so Rashad White kind of
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  proved himself a bit last week as a, hey, I can do this.
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  And maybe the game running game was working.
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  I don't actually know how maybe they couldn't run it on Detroit,
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  but the most successful teams we've seen in recent history
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  have a solid run game that they can play Action Pass with.
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  Passing is secondary. It's one.
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  And then 1A is PAT running. IS11A is passing.
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  You want to run first and play action to open up all of your
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  passing and then passing you have to.
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  And if you're dropping back 54 * 4 sacks, 50 attempts, that's
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  just too many in the National Football League.
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  They really need Bucky Irving bad.
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  You can see it. I think that's as big of a loss
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  as the receivers. I mean as as good as the book
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  has been, sorry to interject. I just this shows how bad you
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  need like I mean, my team wouldn't be anything without
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  Tosh Jacobs. So sorry to interject.
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  No, you're good. You're good.
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  So so despite this loss and despite how bad the Buccaneers
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  played, I was actually kind of impressed with the Buccaneers in
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  this game. If you did not watch this game
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  and you see the final score, you probably wouldn't think that
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  this game was close, but it actually kind of was.
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  With as bad as the offense was, the defense gave this offense
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  multiple, multiple chances to come back and win this game.
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  With as bad as they started off the game, as bad as that first
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  half was, the defense gave the offense, they got turnovers,
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  they got turnovers on downs, they gave the offense and
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  multiple chances to come back and win this game.
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  The offense for whatever reason, just could not get it done.
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  And Isaac, when I was on your show, I said that I was a little
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  bit worried about the injuries for the Buccaneers moving
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  forward and like in the playoffs.
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  But I said one thing you cannot do with the Buccaneers is count
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  them out of a game. And the Buccaneers, the
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  Buccaneers were in this game right up until about two minutes
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  left in the fourth quarter when they had no more timeouts and
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  they couldn't stop the clock. They were in that game right up
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  until the end, even though their offense was terrible.
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  The defense. Here's some stats for the
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  defense. The Bucks held the Lions to just
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  three of 13 on 3rd down, which is 23.1% which was the lowest
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  third down percentage that Lions have had all season long.
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  They had four sacks, 7 tackles for loss, and two takeaways.
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  The defense was really good. They kept the Buccaneers in this
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  game the entire time. Yeah they allowed some big plays
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  and all that, but when they needed to, they allowed the
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  offense to have opportunities to score, but the offense just
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  didn't do it. So again, the Buccaneers were
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  never out of this game, even though they played.
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  Awful. They were never out of the game
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  and so I am trying to be very positive about the Buccaneers
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  moving forward because as a former Cowboys fan, I was never
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  positive about anything. And so I'm trying to change.
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  I'm trying to turn that around with this new team, so I'm
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  trying to find the positives here.
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  Hey, there's. No positive in that.
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  You're not a Cowboys fan. That's a positive in itself.
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  It's a positive fan. You're not a Cowboys fan.
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  You're. Already.
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  If you were Cowboys. You have a 40 point tie.
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  You can't have that. I live near Dallas.
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  You could be a Cowboys fan thinking you're going to win a
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  Super Bowl after you beat Washington.
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  That's great. People forget the week before I
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  was on the cruise, they lost to the Panthers.
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  Not that they're that bad this season, but that's that's
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  Cowboys fans for you. They think they're going to win
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  a Super Bowl if they go get Max Crosby, which they're not going
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  to do. Like, you don't want to be a
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  Cowboys fan. You're better off already.
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  Just saying. Of all teams, Max Crosby's not
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  going to the Cowboys. No, he's not.
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  Getting tricked out here, He's not going anywhere.
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  But the Cowboys are not near gritty enough.
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  I'm not talking about the dance for Max Crosby.
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  Dude was born a Raider. He's yeah, just like Jerry Rock
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  was the Raven. Jerry would give up all four of
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  those first round picks for Max Crosby.
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  He would, he would. That'd be hilarious.
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  He gives up more for as much of it like Max Crosby as slightly.
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  I mean he is really good actually.
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  He's slightly older than Parsons, but that'd be wild to
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  give up Micah Parsons and landmarks Crosby in the same
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  offseason. But you know the the weird thing
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  with the Cowboys? Then they they go pull off a
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  trade like for Pickens. That's worked out extremely well
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  for them. Like Pickens has been huge,
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  especially with CD Lamb being out.
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  Maybe he jumped off the ship at the wrong time.
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  Just kidding. But anyway, just just to finish
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  my thoughts on the Buccaneers, like I came away even though we
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  lost, like I came way impressed. And just another thing for me
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  personally, I predicted that the Lions would be the one seed in
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  the NFC with the Buccaneers as the two seed both at 12:00 and
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  5:00. And in order for that to happen,
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  the Lions had to beat the Buccaneers.
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  So just for a little personal reason, it's all part of the
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  plan. Yeah, it's all part of the plan,
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  right? It's all part of the.
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  Plan Also, also to the people, nobody who I'm talking to here
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  will ever hear this, but the people who trolled the
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  Buccaneers on TikTok when we had our post last week about how
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  Mayfield should be the MVP favorite over Mahomes, people
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  were just waiting for the Buccaneers to lose so they could
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  just troll on that post. And they did.
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  Oh boy did they troll. And to all those, to all those
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  people, I just want to say you guys know nothing about
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  football. If you expected if you expected
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  the Buccaneers to go 16 and 1, you know nothing about football.
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  When was the last time that we saw a team have one loss going
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  into the play offs? I can only think of two times it
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  that come to memory right off the bat where there was a team
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  that had one loss or 0 losses. The Patriots who lost the Super
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  Bowl, and the Panthers when they lost the Super Bowl.
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  Did the Chiefs lose one or two last year?
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  Did they give up that last game? They lost 2.
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  Oh, yeah, yeah, they, they they rested their starters that last
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  game. That's right.
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  Yes, yes, but most. Of the time I got, I got one my
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  Packers after they won the Super Bowl in 2011.
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  So it's been a minute. And then they they lost to the
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  Giants. That was the year, the second
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  Eli run. It doesn't happen very often man
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  1 losses are really hard. It does not happen very often.
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  So if you expect there are, so the Packers are at 4-1 and one
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  and then the two through 7 seed right now all are five and two.
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  If you expect all of those teams to not lose another game, you
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  don't know anything about football.
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  This is what I hate about NFL fans.
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  This is why I hate a bunch of NFL fandoms is because every
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  time A-Team loses a game, oh they suck, they suck.
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  They lost the game. We beat you guys, you guys suck.
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  I'm like, you can't expect to not ever lose a game in the NFL.
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  You're going to lose somewhere between two and seven games if
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  you're in the play offs every single year.
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  Like it's just going to happen. So you guys, those people who
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  are trolling, you're retarded. You don't know anything about
• 18:49
  the NFL and how it works. You don't.
• 18:51
  You can't say Redskins, but you can say retarded.
• 18:54
  Is that how it works? That that is the problem.
• 18:58
  Like, I've heard Bears fans all offseason, I'm like, oh, you
• 19:01
  finally won a game, the first one out of 12 or you know.
• 19:05
  Jeez. Like our Cowboys fans, after
• 19:08
  they win a game, they, they, they get excited.
• 19:10
  It's just edible. Fans are funny to me, man.
• 19:13
  You, you, I don't know how much do you you guys must see so much
• 19:17
  on social media too, right? Like people just clown and it's
• 19:20
  just ridiculous man, dude. Every single time, every single
• 19:23
  time the team loses the game, Like I bet, I, I guarantee you
• 19:27
  people right now are putting the Colts as the number one team in
• 19:29
  the NFL because they have the best record in the NFL.
• 19:32
  As soon as the Colts lose. As soon as the Colts lose
• 19:34
  another game. Oh, the Colts.
• 19:35
  Suck. The Colts suck.
• 19:36
  They suck. I told you they suck the whole
• 19:38
  time. I told you guys they suck like
• 19:40
  dude, then they're. The media reflected now too,
• 19:43
  like ESP NS gotten so bad. There's some if you listen to
• 19:47
  podcasts. That's the way to go to me,
• 19:48
  because that's where I found much better.
• 19:51
  Like it's more educated and it's more fun.
• 19:54
  But ESPN just like after one game, they'll it's it's it's
• 19:59
  it's all click baity and I hate that crap because the Colts
• 20:02
  offense looks dominant right now and they look good.
• 20:05
  I I posted are they an actual contender?
• 20:09
  Maybe we still want to see him beat a good team, you know?
• 20:13
  My, my, my thing is, I feel like with the NFL, it's like, OK,
• 20:17
  unless you win the Super Bowl, what do you have to brag about?
• 20:21
  And so you have to fabricate it. You have to make it week by
• 20:24
  week. Otherwise it's basically 31
• 20:27
  teams are upset and one is, is is ecstatic, but the problem is
• 20:32
  none of the other teams want to talk about it anymore.
• 20:35
  It's like winning like in fantasy.
• 20:37
  No one's there for you, dude. They're they've all written
• 20:40
  their team off long ago. They're like I do.
• 20:42
  I don't even look at the app anymore, man.
• 20:43
  Oh, you won. Oh, I didn't I?
• 20:45
  Didn't even. You know, and so that this is
• 20:48
  the only time where you can do that.
• 20:50
  The thing is, is like, and this is this is the one thing I
• 20:54
  really love about college football over the NFL is the
• 20:57
  fact that you have these dynastic teams that end up
• 21:01
  playing in the middle of the season after having gone
• 21:04
  undefeated because they've been playing, you know, the the
• 21:06
  backwash of the conference the whole time.
• 21:09
  And then you have these like marquee matchups that genuinely
• 21:12
  matter. Like if you lose this, this
• 21:14
  could be the difference between your season ending.
• 21:16
  That is a little wild player, like one loss.
• 21:19
  Yeah, yeah. I mean, The thing is, is now
• 21:22
  there's 12 teams and and the SEC is afforded like 3 to 4 losses
• 21:26
  just because almost everyone's ranked.
• 21:28
  But at the same time it's like you see these big marquee
• 21:31
  matchups. The thing with the NFL is like,
• 21:33
  dude, you could have like, you know, the Chiefs and, you know,
• 21:37
  Bills, Chiefs and Ravens play and it's like could be a good
• 21:40
  game and also could be completely inconsequential.
• 21:43
  Like maybe they got some players out.
• 21:45
  Maybe they're not really worried about this win because they've
• 21:47
  already got the thing locked up and that that's like to to what
• 21:52
  Joel was saying where it's like, dude, you almost expect to lose.
• 21:56
  It's like part of it. It's like a growing pain just
• 21:58
  making a mistake, learning from it.
• 21:59
  That's actually maybe why you did win because you lost some of
• 22:02
  those games where it's like, it's great as like a team seeing
• 22:06
  that your team build. But as far as like bragging
• 22:09
  rights or having a genuinely consequential game, the only
• 22:12
  thing consequential is like, Oh, it's Monday Night Football.
• 22:14
  That's cool that all teams on Monday Night Football, not
• 22:16
  because there was any anything big at stake.
• 22:20
  That no, that's a good point because it like occasionally
• 22:23
  that's what I TuneIn for like a number one or a number four seed
• 22:26
  or #4 and a number 12 in the in college and in the NFL.
• 22:30
  It they matter and it matters for seating like you don't want
• 22:34
  to like the bills really don't want to go to KC again.
• 22:36
  They don't they need to be in Buffalo and then still they need
• 22:39
  to finally beat the Chiefs. But I the only counter I'm going
• 22:43
  to counter to you, Avery, is I think Colts fans, even if they
• 22:46
  lose in the playoffs, they're just going to be excited that
• 22:49
  they freaking made it or the Panthers if they don't have a
• 22:52
  losing season. That is like winning a Super
• 22:54
  Bowl for Bears fans. Beating the Packers is their
• 22:57
  Super Bowl for Packers fans. Honestly, beating the Eagles
• 23:01
  would be great for us. And every time we beat the
• 23:02
  Cowboys, it's hilarious. There's that's what I like about
• 23:05
  is there's different things for different teams and there's
• 23:07
  different expectations. I'm trying to temper mine and
• 23:10
  remember that my team is the youngest team in the NFL.
• 23:12
  Unfortunately, they're just going to play stupid sometimes
• 23:14
  because even I don't think this is happening yet.
• 23:17
  They're they're building something good.
• 23:19
  But even the Cowboys in the 90s, like if you watch that in me and
• 23:24
  July, I think we're talking about it.
• 23:26
  If you watch the Netflix documentary, one of my favorite
• 23:28
  things was when they brought in the defensive end for what was
• 23:32
  his name I oh the. Guy from the 49ers.
• 23:36
  Yes, Charles Haley, I'm so sorry.
• 23:38
  I'm I don't know, my brain has been much since I got back from
• 23:41
  the trip. Chelsea Haley and he comes in,
• 23:43
  he's like, they're talented, but they're dumb and he that nails
• 23:46
  my team and a lot of teams in the NFL right now, they're dumb.
• 23:50
  And some of the talented ones that haven't done anything yet,
• 23:54
  they that's actually why I like my team's win this week and why
• 23:58
  I like what Joel said about his team.
• 24:00
  My only complaint is that they give up yards to Gibbs.
• 24:03
  But I mean, a lot of teams do, you know, it's Jamir Gibbs,
• 24:07
  you're going to give up yards. But that's what I like about the
• 24:10
  NFL is there's different storylines for different teams
• 24:12
  and different expectations. And that's why I enjoy this ride
• 24:17
  so much. Like fantasy pisses me off to no
• 24:20
  end. I don't know how y'all's teams
• 24:21
  are doing. If you have Brian Thomas Junior,
• 24:24
  I'm sorry. I traded them away in one
• 24:27
  dynasty and I'm trying with everything I can to trade them
• 24:30
  away in another one because the dude just needs to get off my
• 24:33
  freaking team. I'm not going to curse.
• 24:35
  He's made me so mad. I, I, I do.
• 24:39
  I traded all my picks away. I'm going a long story.
• 24:42
  I'm sorry I treated all my picks away.
• 24:44
  It's a dynasty where you have three years of picks.
• 24:46
  So it's like an NFL squad with 2627 and 28 picks.
• 24:51
  I have almost no picks next year and hardly any in 27 and my
• 24:55
  team, and somehow this team is 2 and five.
• 24:57
  I'm going to read you my main guys, Josh Allen, Jonathan
• 25:02
  Taylor, Saquon Barkley, Scary Terry, and that's where the
• 25:06
  problems start. Brian Thomas, Junior.
• 25:08
  There's another problem. DJ Moore, I just traded him
• 25:11
  away. He's been wonderful.
• 25:12
  I've got Remodry Stevenson, so I've got some depth issues, but
• 25:15
  the top of that lineup, even in an IDP to me should be at least
• 25:19
  four and three. And I'm two and five and I'm
• 25:22
  trying to not let it wreck my season because it's absolutely
• 25:27
  like wild to me what happens. But it's, you know, it's been a
• 25:31
  crazy year too. I think the parody that's a bit
• 25:34
  occurring right now is the most I've ever seen.
• 25:37
  Long story, sorry. No, and I just what, just real
• 25:41
  quick, I, I, I, I do agree that, yeah, there's different
• 25:44
  expectations for each team. But like, I guess I'm talking
• 25:47
  more about like that excitement of the playoffs where it's like,
• 25:49
  no, like if, if there's a win here and it's the same, 'cause
• 25:52
  I'm like, I'm even bigger college basketball fan, less so
• 25:55
  lately because of all the shake ups and it's ruining the, the
• 25:58
  game. But a lot of people I'll, I'll
• 26:00
  be talking about all these teams are great, this team.
• 26:02
  And like, dude, I don't even, I don't even hear about college
• 26:05
  basketball until March. And then I just look at the
• 26:07
  bracket and then I watch some games and I feel like to an
• 26:11
  extent meaning as far as an in game consequence where it's
• 26:15
  like, oh, if you lose this, like it, it hurt our chances to make
• 26:19
  the playoffs like this makes it a little steeper.
• 26:22
  We lost, you know, home field advantage.
• 26:24
  But I guess what I really like and it been part of it is like,
• 26:27
  yeah, you know, the season's a lot longer, you know, and so you
• 26:30
  have these games. But like that, like, dude, this
• 26:34
  is like it's kind of like overtime in in college, not in
• 26:37
  NFL for obvious reasons, where it's like, dude, we are going to
• 26:40
  find out who is going to win and lose this game right now anyway,
• 26:43
  anyway. But that's that I can I can
• 26:45
  acknowledge though, that's a that's a subjective thing on my
• 26:48
  end is more of a college guy. Well, and you know, I don't know
• 26:52
  how Will and Joel feel too, but I've been to a couple college
• 26:55
  games in the atmosphere. NFL is also electric, but some
• 26:59
  of those college people like that could be your biggest some
• 27:02
  some states, that's the only thing like Arkansas, there's no
• 27:05
  pro team. There's a lot of states.
• 27:07
  That's Montana. That's it, man.
• 27:09
  You're rooting for a team in another state.
• 27:11
  So I get it. I'm in Alabama, an hour away
• 27:13
  from Nashville. I don't think I've ever seen
• 27:15
  anyone wearing a Titan's jersey here, not once.
• 27:19
  It is pure college SEC. Well, I I they don't even wear
• 27:22
  those in. Tennessee.
• 27:23
  Yeah, I've got a Titans buddy and I do show with him on some
• 27:26
  Wednesday nights and he was just excited the coach got fired.
• 27:31
  Like that was it? I had a question for Will
• 27:37
  because I was trying to have a few questions for y'all coming
• 27:39
  on. How do you feel about your Rams?
• 27:42
  Are you like, I think they're doing really well.
• 27:45
  Are you concerned about Stafford?
• 27:47
  What are you? How are you feeling right now?
• 27:49
  We'll pick Stafford as MVP. 5 touchdowns.
• 27:53
  I mean, he did throw for five touchdowns after flying.
• 27:57
  You guys are. Both you guys are both right.
• 27:59
  So that's why that's the right thing.
• 28:01
  Appreciate that. I didn't I didn't have to bury
• 28:04
  the league because you just throw right out there.
• 28:05
  That's great. You're welcome.
• 28:07
  I don't know, I think there's a lot to be said by the way Shawn
• 28:10
  Bay wins his team and the way that that he is tapping into his
• 28:15
  players no matter who they are. Because even when Baker going
• 28:18
  back to to our our homeboy Baker when he was on the Rams, they
• 28:23
  got the absolute best out of him.
• 28:24
  And he has continued to be that best in Tampa Bay when it was
• 28:28
  Jared Goff. Jared Goff took him to the Super
• 28:30
  Bowl like and we can't forget that.
• 28:33
  Like I don't think I know that was Sean Mcvay's first or second
• 28:36
  year there. So he gets the best out of his
• 28:39
  players no matter who he has. And I think bringing Devonte and
• 28:43
  I think Devonte has possibly never been happier.
• 28:46
  Maybe when he was with Aaron, but but there was some years
• 28:50
  there in the middle where it's like he was struggling and and
• 28:53
  so he's on a team where he doesn't have to get all of the
• 28:56
  attention now with Poca being out, he's getting that now, but
• 28:59
  he's he's just another piece instead of the piece.
• 29:02
  And so I I think that they're built very well.
• 29:04
  They're very fairly well a semi young defense and they're doing
• 29:09
  their best to replace Aaron Donald.
• 29:10
  Aaron Donald. They're doing a good job, too.
• 29:13
  That's the way you are. Yeah, Yeah.
• 29:14
  Verse and Pune Ford and they're that's really hard to.
• 29:17
  Do I like him? Too young is I?
• 29:19
  I got him in my IDP and he he, he's been really good, yeah.
• 29:25
  I, I think that with a quarterback as good as Matthew
• 29:30
  Stafford is and I, I don't know the whole statistics for Hall of
• 29:37
  Famers versus Super Bowl wins versus this, That's the others,
• 29:41
  right? He's only got the one Super Bowl
• 29:44
  win. I think the way he has
• 29:47
  revitalized the game in multiple cities, I think he should be a
• 29:53
  maybe not first Hall of Famer. He retires, but but a Hall of
• 29:56
  Famer because of his stats and everything and, and his
• 29:59
  consistency throughout his entire career.
• 30:01
  He took Detroit from Owen 16 about mediocre.
• 30:06
  Right now they're doing better and then and so he's taking this
• 30:10
  all, all time talents who is very, very good.
• 30:16
  And he's like, OK, well, this is the guy I have, so this is what
• 30:19
  I have to do with it. And it hasn't mattered who the
• 30:20
  guy is or what the position is. And so I feel good with them
• 30:25
  right now. I feel like they're going in the
• 30:26
  right direction. They've got the team.
• 30:28
  Stafford's playing like he's 31 again.
• 30:31
  I I don't know what they're doing.
• 30:32
  I like the number you picked, 31, no.
• 30:35
  That's not, that's not add. It's like he's, you know, he's
• 30:39
  not. He's, you know, it's funny, he's
• 30:41
  the same age as me. And I'm like, good for you going
• 30:44
  out there and playing football because yeah, yeah, no.
• 30:48
  I I. He's got to be a Hall of Famer.
• 30:50
  First ballot. Unbiasedly, he is.
• 30:53
  I think it. Was I didn't, I didn't want to
• 30:55
  say it because it would be bias, but I think there's truly
• 30:59
  something. You just went on a cruise, you
• 31:01
  got back Saturday, we record on Monday.
• 31:04
  You've already said a couple times, sorry, my brain still
• 31:06
  sluggish because it because it's travel.
• 31:09
  The Rams flew from Baltimore to London on Saturday, and then
• 31:15
  they played a football game the very next day.
• 31:18
  Which is wild. Why would you and?
• 31:20
  He threw for five touchdowns. It was only 182 yards, but that
• 31:23
  team played very well. They took the number one
• 31:26
  turnover defense in the league and played Immaculate against
• 31:32
  them. Just made them look like
• 31:33
  children and without. The Jaguars got there at the end
• 31:37
  of last week or the end of the the previous week.
• 31:40
  They were there for for four or five days and the Rams showed up
• 31:45
  for like 24 hours. That was the whole time in
• 31:47
  London, 24 hours. All right, we're out because the
• 31:49
  way it works is if you win, you get the first flights out as
• 31:52
  well. So they were last in, first out
• 31:54
  the way every employee wants to be.
• 31:56
  I want to be in latest and out first.
• 31:59
  I don't know. I like the way the Rams are
• 32:01
  going on a bye week this week. It'll give them time to reset
• 32:05
  and so. Maybe he took a nap that whole
• 32:08
  that whole flight. That's how he was so arrested to
• 32:10
  throw 5 touchdowns. Maybe slept that whole 8 off
• 32:12
  flight on that super nice jet he must have, right?
• 32:16
  I was not thrilled with the loss to the Niners.
• 32:20
  No, that one. 'S it's CMC and a bag of rocks
• 32:23
  over there, but. I don't know man, they keep.
• 32:25
  They're five and two. They're five and two.
• 32:28
  That defense is real, man. That 49er defense is Robert
• 32:32
  Salas. Yeah, true.
• 32:35
  Good point. But they've been playing well,
• 32:37
  No, they played lights out against Atlanta and they're
• 32:40
  young. Like they're, you're right, they
• 32:41
  lost, you know, I know they lost Warner and Bosa, but they're
• 32:44
  playing lights out. They're playing the inspired
• 32:46
  type of football. You want a young team to play
• 32:49
  under Robert Sala. I'm not saying he's a great
• 32:51
  coach, but he's a damn good defensive coordinator and he's
• 32:53
  got him going. And Shanahan knows the right
• 32:56
  buttons to push when he's got a running game and he's figuring
• 32:59
  it out. Like Tampa Bay.
• 33:01
  I'd like to see him healthy, but with a defense in CMC that might
• 33:04
  be enough to get to the playoffs.
• 33:08
  Do you guys know, you might already know this?
• 33:10
  How many quarterbacks have thrown for five touchdowns while
• 33:13
  doing it with under 200 yards? I do not know that like in NFL
• 33:19
  history, I'm. Going to go 3.
• 33:21
  Yeah, Matthew Stafford became the blank quarterback to do it
• 33:28
  I'm. Going to go. 3rd I'm gonna go
• 33:31
  first. I'll go second then.
• 33:35
  Eight. I thought it was.
• 33:37
  Yeah, sorry. That was underwhelming. 8
• 33:39
  quarterbacks. Yeah, I, I just see that I'm
• 33:43
  like that looks like it's like, did you, it's like you swap
• 33:46
  passing for running. It's like you just kept running
• 33:49
  it. And then when you got in the end
• 33:50
  zone, you're like, this is where we like to throw it.
• 33:52
  That's super weird, Avery, I've got to ask.
• 33:54
  Punch it in. Is that a Sour Patch gummy
• 33:56
  behind you? That is.
• 33:58
  Very, I knew it. I was, I kept looking at it and
• 34:01
  I'm like, that's a sour patch gummy.
• 34:02
  You know, I have a six year old and that's a a vice of mine as
• 34:06
  well. But I'm like, that has got to be
• 34:08
  a sour patch gummy. I knew it.
• 34:09
  Yeah, I picked it up in Myrtle Beach years ago.
• 34:13
  I don't even remember. I don't know how I even made it
• 34:15
  back here. I think I bought it on a whim at
• 34:17
  like, a candy store, and then it just made its way.
• 34:20
  I think I had it when I was setting this up.
• 34:22
  I went back to look for these fake ferns and then I saw that
• 34:25
  and I'm like, hey. The ferns that.
• 34:27
  Matches nothing. It's perfect.
• 34:29
  Yeah, the ferns give it a good aesthetic.
• 34:31
  And then Joel, you got, I see Josh Allen, Burrow, is that
• 34:34
  Jalen Hertz and Mike Evans? It is and Travis Kelsey.
• 34:38
  Oh, Travis. Kelsey, Travis Kelsey.
• 34:40
  Oh, that's who it is, Kelsey. Gotcha.
• 34:42
  This was before I did have, I did have Micah Parsons one on
• 34:46
  here too, but then he got traded to the Packers and so I had to
• 34:48
  take it down. Hey, you could have a Micah
• 34:50
  Parsons one now after the three sacks.
• 34:51
  He just he that was like that. I that trade.
• 34:55
  I was like, that's why you make that trade right there.
• 34:57
  He saved us Save. Color it, color it green and
• 35:00
  send it to Isaac. Man, he'll probably want it.
• 35:02
  Absolutely. I have a question.
• 35:04
  I have a question for you guys. Yeah, where'd you go?
• 35:07
  So as I mentioned before, in the NFC, the NFC standings right
• 35:11
  now, the Packers are the ones he currently at 4-1 and one and
• 35:13
  then the two of the step and speed are all 5 and 2.
• 35:18
  Has the talent gap in the NFC closed?
• 35:22
  Because you have you've got the 49ers who beat the Seahawks,
• 35:26
  then you've got the Seahawks who lost to the Buccaneers, you've
• 35:29
  got the Buccaneers who lost to the Eagles and the Lions.
• 35:32
  The Packers beat the Lions. So like all these teams are just
• 35:35
  beating each other, so how do you truly know who is the best
• 35:38
  team? That's a really good question.
• 35:41
  Do you want me to go? I've stuffed up too.
• 35:43
  You want me to Uncle. Uncle second or third here.
• 35:45
  Avery, will you want to go? This is because this.
• 35:48
  This might not be it, but this is what I.
• 35:50
  Let me expand this a bit further.
• 35:51
  The top 12 teams in the NFC are A500 win ratio or better.
• 35:58
  Sorry. So it extends other than the 12
• 36:00
  anyway. Avery, take it away.
• 36:02
  I think this comes down to more about what Isaac was saying.
• 36:06
  They're dumb. I, I, I think, I think it's, I
• 36:10
  think there's a lot of inconsistent play and a lot of
• 36:14
  just, it also ties back to Joel's point where it's like
• 36:18
  you're going to lose a lot of games, like you're, it's going
• 36:22
  to feel like you're not as good. And then suddenly, you know, you
• 36:24
  what, you could end up winning the Super Bowl, unlike in
• 36:26
  college where it's like, no, you have to be the best because if
• 36:29
  you lose once or twice, like it's over.
• 36:31
  And so you just have to win. Where is this?
• 36:33
  It's like there's times we don't.
• 36:35
  But then again, I mean, you see the the 49ers play the Bucks now
• 36:39
  you guys don't look that great. And they play the Falcons like
• 36:42
  you guys look pretty good. OK.
• 36:44
  And so and so I feel like there's, I think it has less to
• 36:48
  do with the talent and more to do with either effort or
• 36:52
  coaching. Maybe it's just lack of like
• 36:55
  adjustments for like personnel or different looks where it's
• 36:58
  like sometimes it's like, Oh, you can run the ball.
• 37:00
  I thought you all you could do was just run right into the
• 37:03
  defensive tackle like, and then it's like all of a sudden now
• 37:06
  there's holes, there's gaps in the box.
• 37:08
  Just couldn't tackle anyone. You know, at least in that first
• 37:12
  half, it was, it was anyone running Gibbs.
• 37:15
  I only needed him. So I, I feel like it comes down
• 37:18
  to like it's not black and white and it's just stupid stuff.
• 37:22
  I, I, I honestly feel like that is what it would be.
• 37:25
  Is just like we weren't in it. An injury.
• 37:28
  That million variables rather than there being this like, oh,
• 37:32
  like the talent levels equal. I mean they're all professionals
• 37:35
  and you I mean you have a draft, you have free agency, you have
• 37:38
  salary caps. So it's not like it's baseball
• 37:40
  and you can just stack super teams or anything, but feel like
• 37:43
  a lot of it is just stupid stuff.
• 37:45
  What's also wild is Tampa Bay has a negative point
• 37:48
  differential at 5:00 and 2:00. The 49ers have seven more points
• 37:53
  scored than against. So their net points is 7 and
• 37:57
  they're five and two. The Eagles are only 5 and those
• 38:00
  are the three other teams leading their divisions.
• 38:02
  It's it's kind of wild and the injuries have been on a couple
• 38:06
  of those teams. I, I think Avery, you nailed it
• 38:09
  though, man. Like I don't even like legit my
• 38:12
  I know my team's number one right now and I know they're
• 38:13
  good, but like, and this has been one of the hardest years
• 38:16
  for me to pick who the actual like I do a top five every week.
• 38:20
  This has been the hardest year I can remember.
• 38:22
  I've only done the podcasting for three years now.
• 38:24
  It's my third season. But even before that, this is
• 38:27
  like, it's so hard to pick like who's the best team?
• 38:33
  Like legit who'd you guys in the end of the week?
• 38:35
  Week by week it changes. After I saw the the.
• 38:38
  Bills play. I'm like, oh, the Bills.
• 38:39
  I think it's the. Lions but yeah the bills defense
• 38:43
  looks not that great the Colts offense looks great, but we
• 38:46
  don't I don't think any of us like think the Colts are that
• 38:49
  special yet we want to see it a little longer there was a time
• 38:52
  we thought the. Packers were the best, yeah.
• 38:54
  Especially after the first few weeks.
• 38:56
  The 49ers defense is playing legit, but their offense isn't
• 38:59
  that great. Billy like sleepwalks through
• 39:01
  half a game every week. The Bucks, you know, I've been
• 39:04
  just squeaking out wins. The Lions look good now, but
• 39:07
  they've had a couple of losses. Seattle actually low key kind of
• 39:11
  looks good. They get forgotten about and the
• 39:13
  ramps have been pretty good. And then you got the bears on a
• 39:16
  four-game win streak. It's been weird like and they're
• 39:20
  not even in the plant picture right now.
• 39:25
  It's it's been it's been one of those seasons where it's it's
• 39:27
  really hard to tell. I'm going to say I agree with
• 39:30
  Avery's take. I think there's been some stupid
• 39:32
  stuff that's happened. Like in my game on 1/4 down they
• 39:35
  went, they at midfield they threw a 50 yard bomb.
• 39:38
  It made no sense on 4th down. Stupid crap like that.
• 39:41
  But I do think the talent has, mainly because of injuries.
• 39:47
  I think it is closer than it's ever been.
• 39:50
  I can agree with that. I think that it's kind of
• 39:53
  flipped. The AFC used to be more tightly
• 39:57
  contested deeper and it's, it is it is pulled away.
• 40:00
  If you look at the same statistics there, only the top
• 40:03
  eight are 500 win record or better.
• 40:07
  And so you have four additional teams in the NFC at 500 or
• 40:13
  better. And so I, I just think that
• 40:15
  there are it's just better competition this year and it's
• 40:18
  still early. I think it's still early and and
• 40:20
  it's still. What don't No one has any idea
• 40:24
  how this is going to happen. I wouldn't wish this on anybody,
• 40:26
  but if Patrick Mahomes were to get his leg broken, I don't
• 40:30
  think that team continues the same way.
• 40:32
  Now, I do not want that to happen.
• 40:33
  I'm not wishing it upon anybody. But are you?
• 40:36
  Sure. That yeah, I'm sure that team
• 40:38
  would be terrible. You're pretty quick to say
• 40:40
  Patrick Mahomes. Well, it's because he's the best
• 40:43
  quarterback in the league right now.
• 40:44
  I'll stand by that one and we can discuss that later.
• 40:47
  Yeah, I just, I, I, I know, I think the NFC more so is, is, is
• 40:54
  truly anybody's race of the top 12, any of those teams, Well,
• 41:00
  maybe not the Vikings or the Falcons, but hey, even the
• 41:03
  Vikings and Falcons, any of those top 12 could make the
• 41:06
  playoffs. There are 12 teams fighting for
• 41:08
  seven spots. Last week when we talked about
• 41:11
  the AFC playoffs, we talked about 8 teams fighting for seven
• 41:14
  spots. And so that's why I think that
• 41:17
  the competition is just better because they see how the best of
• 41:21
  the best are doing it. And every single year we are,
• 41:24
  well, not every single year we have the last like 5 years, if
• 41:27
  not more. We've had Eagles, Chief, Bills,
• 41:30
  and there's been more. But making the playoffs, making
• 41:33
  the Super Bowl, you get the same teams who do the same offense,
• 41:37
  defense consistently making it deep in the playoffs.
• 41:39
  Is that OK? Well, we need to do that.
• 41:42
  And these teams are actually hiring coordinators and hiring
• 41:44
  coaches and modeling their game after that.
• 41:47
  And so you're getting more consistent play from everybody.
• 41:53
  So I want to go, I, I want to ask another question going off
• 41:57
  of what Will said. So Will said there's 12 teams
• 41:59
  competing for seven spots in the playoffs.
• 42:01
  And I'm assuming you said 12 teams Will because those are the
• 42:04
  teams that are 500 or over. And so my question is, so
• 42:08
  there's four teams in the NFC that have a losing record right
• 42:11
  now. Of those four teams, do you see
• 42:14
  any of them being able to compete for a playoff spot?
• 42:17
  If any of them is going to be the commanders, and it's not
• 42:20
  just because they're the closest, I just think that
• 42:22
  that's the the next best put together team.
• 42:25
  If Jaden vanish can come back and not be hurt.
• 42:27
  I think if he doesn't get hurt now, I don't think it really
• 42:29
  wouldn't matter for winning the game, but it would have been a
• 42:31
  lot closer. It's the Cowboys.
• 42:33
  If they can get their team back and have actually healthy a
• 42:36
  healthy lineup, that commanders team is more scary than than
• 42:41
  they should be. Now, in response to that, does
• 42:44
  this change your opinion at all? Their next three games are
• 42:47
  against the Chiefs. At the Chiefs, they go against
• 42:50
  the Seahawks and the Lions. Both the Seahawks and Lions are
• 42:53
  at home, so their next three games are Chiefs, Seahawks, and
• 42:55
  Lions. There's a chance that the
• 42:57
  Commanders could go 3 and 7. Does that change your opinion at
• 43:00
  all? Will.
• 43:01
  If they had a full, healthy team, I think the Commanders
• 43:05
  could put up a good fight, if not win all three of those
• 43:09
  games. That is not the current reality
• 43:11
  we're living in, which is where I was going with to begin with.
• 43:14
  I don't think they make the playoffs because they're not
• 43:16
  healthy and the teams that are sitting at the top are over.
• 43:20
  Well, except the Niners are overall the healthiest teams.
• 43:24
  This is why the Ravens are one in five this year because they
• 43:28
  they're they're All Star. Their player got the injury bug
• 43:32
  and they had to figure out how to play football without Lamar
• 43:35
  Jackson. It just wasn't working.
• 43:37
  Well, it wasn't working before they before he got hurt.
• 43:39
  Well. Well, they were one and two when
• 43:42
  he went out, right? One and three, something like
• 43:44
  that. He.
• 43:44
  Got 1 and 3. Oh, I didn't.
• 43:46
  Well, yeah, well, one of those games is to build.
• 43:49
  You know, you make excuses all the time.
• 43:51
  I had them on my fancy team. I'm not happy.
• 43:53
  I don't want to talk about it. I'm not being negative.
• 43:55
  I'm going to be positive. I'm positive.
• 43:58
  I mean, obviously schedule does change the needle for a lot of a
• 44:03
  lot of things for every single team in the league.
• 44:07
  So yeah, I think it does change. I don't think the Commanders
• 44:10
  stand a chance right now anyway. They're sitting that they are at
• 44:12
  the 13th seat, the 13th seed after Week 7 to come back and
• 44:17
  make the playoffs. I have no idea what the status
• 44:19
  on that, but I'm sure it's not great.
• 44:22
  Isaac, what do you think? They're not a cross off for me
• 44:24
  yet The only teams I would cross off, I listen to that on Bill
• 44:28
  Simmons. The only teams I would
• 44:29
  absolutely say I don't, even though I don't love the
• 44:31
  Commanders chances and they need, they need Scary Terry to
• 44:34
  come back, they need Jane Daniels.
• 44:36
  The only teams I would absolutely say I don't think are
• 44:38
  have any chance to make the playoffs are the Cardinals and
• 44:41
  Saints and the Giants. Unfortunately, even though I
• 44:44
  like Scatimo, they don't Malik neighbors and dart's going to
• 44:47
  have some growing pains and I don't like their secondary or
• 44:50
  linebackers really. I I just.
• 44:52
  They have a bright future, though.
• 44:53
  Yeah. The password as you mentioned,
• 44:56
  coach or GM? So at least you got a pass rush,
• 45:00
  right? And you got Scatimo is fun and
• 45:02
  Dart. I think that that's some
• 45:03
  building blocks at least. But no, I'm sorry, Giants fans,
• 45:06
  you, you, you need another good offseason.
• 45:09
  They're not making the playoffs. I would put money on that.
• 45:11
  The Saints are not going anywhere.
• 45:13
  I know the Cardinals almost put me at the Packers, but they've
• 45:15
  lost five in a row. I worry about the Vikings
• 45:19
  because I don't know what the quarterback play is going to be,
• 45:22
  but I can't cross them off because the rest of the roster,
• 45:25
  especially the Jones coming back, is just so freaking
• 45:28
  talented. That defense is solid.
• 45:29
  They've got awesome receivers. Addison just came back.
• 45:32
  So the only absolute like teams I would say definitely aren't
• 45:35
  going to make it are those three.
• 45:37
  But I will say this, This is teasing something.
• 45:41
  The seven teams that are in the playoffs right now, I think that
• 45:45
  the Bears or maybe the pimp, the Falcons or Cowboys are going to
• 45:51
  squeak into one of those wild cards.
• 45:53
  I could be wrong. Really, a Tigers fan is saying
• 45:56
  the Bears are going to make the playoffs?
• 45:58
  Their defense looks good. I don't love Swift, even though
• 46:02
  he's been decent, but they've got weapons and if that defense
• 46:05
  can play well, they're an interesting team.
• 46:09
  I don't know man. OK.
• 46:10
  So, so follow up question then follow up question to that.
• 46:14
  Of the seven teams that are in right now, if the Bears make it
• 46:17
  into the playoffs, which one team would you have going out of
• 46:20
  the playoffs? Even though they like the way
• 46:22
  the Seahawks are playing, they would probably be the team.
• 46:26
  Because you're gonna have somebody from the NFC West,
• 46:30
  whoever wins, it's going to make it.
• 46:32
  So one of those three teams is going to make it.
• 46:34
  Philly's going to probably make it because I don't trust the
• 46:37
  Cowboys to actually win the division.
• 46:39
  Somebody from the NFC North's going to make it.
• 46:40
  Probably the Packers or the Lions.
• 46:44
  I would say Seattle, even though I actually like their defense.
• 46:47
  I just have got questions about Darnold in the running game.
• 46:50
  Even though like low key, like the way they're playing, this is
• 46:53
  a tough one. It's like who?
• 46:54
  Who do you take out? For me, I I think it'd be
• 46:58
  Seattle because there's only going to be probably 1 NFC soap
• 47:02
  team unless Atlanta gets it going maybe.
• 47:04
  So yeah, I don't think the 40. Niners are making.
• 47:09
  Don't think the 49ers the playoffs.
• 47:12
  Don't agree with that? The only reason is their
• 47:14
  schedule. Like check this out.
• 47:15
  They're scheduled the rest of the way.
• 47:18
  It's so freaking easy, dude. Like they've got the, I think
• 47:21
  they've got the easiest strength to schedule remaining.
• 47:23
  They play the Texans this week. They're 2:00 and 4:00.
• 47:25
  They have the Giants. That might be two wins to get to
• 47:27
  7 and two. Worst case, they lose 1.
• 47:29
  Then they do have the Rams, but then they get the Cardinals and
• 47:32
  then they the Panthers have been tough, but then they get the
• 47:35
  Browns and then the Titans. Like there's at least three or
• 47:40
  four more wins on that. Yeah, that's that's that's an
• 47:43
  easy schedule, especially that Rams game, like that's so easy.
• 47:50
  Good poke, I like it. See you November 12th.
• 47:56
  I feel like I feel like the 49ers are gonna get a little
• 47:59
  worse and I feel like the Cardinals are gonna get a little
• 48:02
  better. I think the Rams and Seahawks
• 48:04
  are gonna stay good. You think the Cardinals are
• 48:06
  gonna make a playoff run or you think they're toast?
• 48:08
  No. No, I don't think they're gonna
• 48:10
  make the playoffs. I just think they're gonna.
• 48:12
  They can play spoilers. I think they're gonna.
• 48:14
  Yeah, yeah. I don't know.
• 48:15
  Who's gonna be one or two Seahawks or Rams?
• 48:18
  But but I know 49ers and Cardinals are going to be the
• 48:20
  bottom 2, I think. I think the Falcons.
• 48:24
  Falcons looks unpredictably scary.
• 48:30
  Like I feel like at any point in time they could just pop off and
• 48:34
  have themselves a night, or they could just completely look lost.
• 48:37
  They look like that amazing like 8 and nine team that's going to
• 48:40
  beat some, like just beat some awesome teams like the Buffalo
• 48:44
  and then kind of like my team and then just lose some crap
• 48:46
  games so that you shouldn't lose.
• 48:48
  Yep. And that's the thing.
• 48:49
  And part of that inconsistency, inconsistencies, the stupid
• 48:52
  stuff, I feel like that's those are some of the things you're
• 48:56
  going to find out. Everyone's going to find out
• 48:57
  about their teams going forward where it's like, OK, what was
• 49:00
  the fluke and what was real? Like, what is something that we
• 49:03
  can actually expect you to come back and do?
• 49:06
  And I think that's usually what ends up making the team.
• 49:08
  And then, you know, going into the postseason, you kind of know
• 49:10
  what you have. I think the Panthers are going
• 49:12
  to keep doing pretty well. They might make the playoffs,
• 49:16
  but I could see the Falcons either absolutely tanking or
• 49:20
  just popping off and probably a little bit of absolutely both.
• 49:24
  Just like the most confusing whiplash for fans.
• 49:28
  I actually don't see the Panthers doing well, but we can.
• 49:31
  That's an interesting one. I like that they have two
• 49:34
  running backs at least. It's a nice thing to have that a
• 49:37
  lot of teams don't. They're third and rushing, so
• 49:39
  it's something at least to lean on.
• 49:41
  Like at least a lot of teams don't have that identity.
• 49:44
  At least the Panthers have that. But Joel, I'm with you.
• 49:46
  I didn't expect much from them. Here's their schedule upcoming
• 49:49
  the Bills, Packers, 49ers, Rams. They have to play the Bucks
• 49:53
  twice. They have to play the Seahawks.
• 49:56
  That's a really, really tough schedule that is brutal.
• 50:01
  I feel like they're still going to get to seven or eight wins,
• 50:03
  which is way more than a lot of people expected.
• 50:05
  The Panthers. Are a trap team this year,
• 50:07
  right? Like, you go in, you're like,
• 50:09
  oh, we're just playing the Panthers this week.
• 50:11
  And then they come out and punch in the mouth and you don't
• 50:13
  expect it because Rico Gallo runs for 215 yards.
• 50:17
  Shout out Cowboys. I'm one of those, by the way, My
• 50:22
  my cousin's a big Panthers fan and I asked him about like the
• 50:26
  running back situation. He's like dude, like 1-2 punch.
• 50:30
  And he kind of had a take where it's like, dude, this has much
• 50:33
  more to do with like your offensive line.
• 50:36
  It's not like it's always I mean, unless you're like a
• 50:39
  superstar running back that's making do with a bad line.
• 50:43
  Like if the holes there, I mean, you're both like basically
• 50:45
  starting caliber running backs. I can't see why, like I've seen
• 50:49
  so many memes of like Panthers fans like trying to decide like
• 50:53
  who they want more. It's like porque no Las dos like
• 50:56
  let's run both of them. If one of them gets hurt, you've
• 50:59
  got the other. Like, I mean, I guess except for
• 51:02
  fantasy or maybe like, you know, players, you know, morale
• 51:06
  because they want to, you know, get those stats for, you know, a
• 51:09
  larger contract or something. I'm like you as far as the team
• 51:12
  goes. And then you guys usually got it
• 51:14
  made at running back right now. Yeah, I mean, it does suck a
• 51:17
  little for fantasy, but it is what it is.
• 51:19
  I the Panthers could be a regression candidate, but the
• 51:22
  weird thing is they're not even one of the teams in the
• 51:23
  playoffs. So it's like this is Wildman
• 51:27
  like the AF CS a lot easier to pick.
• 51:29
  Like I can look at that fields and be like, yeah,
• 51:32
  Jacksonville's not making it. I don't that's.
• 51:35
  What I said. Pittsburgh might regret since
• 51:40
  maybe Cincinnati steals the AFC North.
• 51:42
  I don't see, you know, Cleveland, probably not
• 51:45
  Baltimore. They might be dead in the water
• 51:46
  at 1:00 and 5:00. But the AFC is way more wild
• 51:50
  where I could pick two or three teams from that playoff race and
• 51:53
  be like, yeah, the NFC is so freaking hard, man, like.
• 51:58
  It's very tough. I question really quick, what do
• 52:01
  you guys think of the Bears? Do you believe in them?
• 52:03
  Do you need to see more? What do you all think?
• 52:06
  They're pretty. They're pretty scary.
• 52:07
  Will I man all right as I real. Scared of Caleb?
• 52:17
  As I mentioned in my wrap up, they have won four games in a
• 52:21
  row and there's almost full touchdown underground after
• 52:25
  winning four in a row and I do not trust this bear teams bears
• 52:30
  team at all. If you're buying into them, buy
• 52:33
  buy the points. You get a full almost a full
• 52:35
  touchdown bet on them heavy. Now we don't give gambling
• 52:38
  advice here. That's not a part of our show.
• 52:41
  But I I just Caleb Williams, I think is a fraud being made look
• 52:47
  like he's not. This is like the emperor with no
• 52:49
  clothes, right? Well, you're not nice.
• 52:51
  My clothes are. And and no one's really going to
• 52:54
  tell them that, hey, you know, you're not actually that good,
• 52:57
  right? Your team kind of sucks and
• 52:59
  you're the problem. But for now, they're doing OK.
• 53:04
  I mean, I can't say they beat nobody, but they've kind of beat
• 53:10
  nobody. They beat and therefore they
• 53:12
  Cowboys, Raiders, Commanders and then Saints.
• 53:15
  They don't play a team with a winning record again.
• 53:18
  I guess if you count the Cowboys having a winning record at 500,
• 53:23
  we will call it. So they, they played the Cowboys
• 53:27
  in Week 3 and beat them and then they played the Raiders.
• 53:31
  They have a losing record. The Commanders have a losing
• 53:33
  record. The Saints have a losing record.
• 53:34
  The Ravens next have a losing record.
• 53:36
  The Bengals after that, they have a losing record.
• 53:38
  The Giants after that, they have a losing record.
• 53:41
  Now we're in week what, 789-1011?
• 53:44
  So in Week 11 is when they play the Vikings, and they are,
• 53:48
  that's the next team that they play that are currently they're
• 53:52
  not even in playoff contention. Well, they have to schedule. 2
• 53:57
  That's true. You don't right?
• 54:00
  You just when Weber hits the road and playoff times come and
• 54:03
  you're not playing these teams anymore, you you're going to get
• 54:08
  exposed horribly. Look at look at Saints, Saints
• 54:12
  Seahawks, right beast quake like like the Seahawks had no
• 54:16
  business winning that game, but yet the Saints got exposed.
• 54:21
  It happens every single year where these teams get bodied by
• 54:25
  these at home by wild card teams because they happen to win the
• 54:29
  division. And if the Rams or if the excuse
• 54:31
  me, the Bears go on to do to make the playoffs, I would not
• 54:35
  expect anything but a first round loss.
• 54:39
  Also, there's no way Karen Williams has 4000 passenger
• 54:41
  yards. To to build off of that.
• 54:44
  So that was actually a perfect segue, Will.
• 54:45
  So Caleb Williams has actually a worst completion percentage than
• 54:49
  he had last year so far. This year so far, he is
• 54:52
  completing 61.1% of his passes, which is worse than last year.
• 54:56
  In his last three games, he is completing 58.7% of his passes.
• 55:01
  The team, the whole team as a whole has been pretty good.
• 55:06
  They're four and two. They're winning games.
• 55:07
  They won four in a row. Caleb Williams has not been
• 55:10
  good. So when you get into the
• 55:12
  playoffs with a quarterback who has not been good and is
• 55:15
  completing less than 60% of his passes, like Will said, you will
• 55:19
  get exposed. You will not win games in the
• 55:21
  playoffs if you have a quarterback who is playing at
• 55:23
  the level that Caleb Williams is playing at right now.
• 55:25
  He's. They he's there's other stuff
• 55:29
  he's doing well with though. Let let me interject again here.
• 55:33
  So they better win their next four against the Ravens,
• 55:35
  Bengals, Giants and Vikings because their last, their last
• 55:39
  games, they've got Steelers, Eagles, Packers.
• 55:43
  Then they're home against the Browns, which who knows what the
• 55:45
  Browns will be about then. And they're Packers, Niners,
• 55:48
  Lions. They go through an absolute buzz
• 55:50
  saw the final seven games of the season.
• 55:52
  That's a tough ending. So they're going to win every
• 55:55
  win they can now because they're looking at what, 8:00 and 9:00
• 56:00
  at the end of the season potentially?
• 56:01
  Well. That's true.
• 56:04
  I I think he's a Packer fan. I agree there.
• 56:06
  I mean, yeah, he's not completing a ton of passes, but
• 56:09
  he does have 11 touchdowns on the year with only three picks
• 56:12
  and he's only taken 11 sacks. So there's some things I'm
• 56:14
  liking from him. I feel like.
• 56:18
  I feel like some of his stuff last year was like stat padding
• 56:21
  and he's been connecting well with Rome.
• 56:23
  There's other things I'd like to see though.
• 56:25
  I'd like to see him connecting with Luther Burden and DJ Moore
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  and the tight ends. But weirdly they are doing, they
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  remind me of the Bucks. No offense, Joel.
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  They are doing just enough to win, just enough to win, just
• 56:39
  enough to win. That's the the Bears are the NFC
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  North's Bucks. That's what they are.
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  And I want to see a little more from the team because they have
• 56:49
  the defense that's starting to finally play better that
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  everybody thought was going to be good and hasn't been because
• 56:54
  they get my Packers twice. They play the Lions.
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  They've got e-mail that they get Philly, they got some games,
• 57:00
  they got to build up wins early. I was just curious, y'all
• 57:03
  thought lots on the Bears because they're a weird team
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  that I can't. They're like this whole season.
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  I can't quite figure it out. They are currently third in the
• 57:12
  in the NFC North. They will finish third in the
• 57:14
  NFC North. JJ McCarthy will come back and
• 57:16
  he will blow the season for the Vikings.
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  And that's just the those are just two bad quarterbacks.
• 57:22
  Yeah, I think the Vikings are in trouble because they're the team
• 57:25
  I think that's going to, they're not in the playoff race.
• 57:28
  I, I just, I think they're going to struggle to get to 9 wins,
• 57:32
  even with Justin Jefferson and Jordan Addison and Aaron Jones
• 57:35
  and Jordan Mason and all those guys.
• 57:36
  They're going to struggle. I think the, the, the top of the
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  NFC North is where I'm intrigued.
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  Do you guys think the Packers hold on or do you think the
• 57:44
  Lions win it? It's a tough one, isn't it?
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  Yeah, so I can see the Packers getting a lot better real quick.
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  I. I can too.
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  And the Lions. I also see the Lions defaulting
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  back to their YEAH factory settings at the beginning of the
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  season 2. Because the Packers here's their
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  next games. They play the Steelers this
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  Thursday night in Pittsburgh. Then they get Carolina in Green
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  Bay. I think they win that one in
• 58:05
  Green Bay. Hopefully they get Philly in
• 58:07
  Green Bay in Monday night. That'll be a hell of a game.
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  They play the Giants, they get the Vikings, and then they get
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  the Lions on Thanksgiving, and then they get the Bears twice,
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  and the Ravens and the Bears and Vikings in December and January.
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  So they're probably going to get to at least ten wins already at
• 58:22
  4:00. So how how many wins does it
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  take to win the NFC North 1211? It's going to be interesting.
• 58:31
  I think the Lions have an easier schedule.
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  They've got the Vikings home versus Vikings at Commanders at
• 58:38
  Eagles home versus the Giants, Packers and Cowboys three home
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  games in a row. And they're at the Rams home
• 58:45
  versus Steelers at Vikings at Bears.
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  To finish the season, they need the Vikings or the Lions have
• 58:50
  the easier schedule to finish it out.
• 58:52
  True. That's a good point.
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  It's gonna be good. And they showcased last year.
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  That's cuz they started hot and finished off.
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  They just stayed hot all regular season last year.
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  That's what everybody worries about.
• 59:08
  And that's what you hear a lot of these talking heads talk
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  about that's concluded right now that or is this team too hot,
• 59:15
  too early? Are they gonna flame out before
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  the postseason? And they they didn't watch her
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  until the postseason. But even that they made us the
• 59:22
  championship game. They right.
• 59:25
  Yeah. Right.
• 59:26
  The Lions, yeah, No, they lost to the commanders.
• 59:32
  No commanders. Beat them in divisional rounds.
• 59:34
  Yeah, first round by last. That was the year.
• 59:36
  That was the. Year before, yeah.
• 59:38
  That's hand frame. I don't blame me that much, I
• 59:41
  know. I just think I think the Lions
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  are right. Regular season team, just like
• 59:46
  Jack Prescott. He's a great regular season
• 59:48
  quarterback. Good for your fancy team, bad
• 59:50
  for your playoff team. Yeah, that's a good take.
• 59:54
  All right, so we got to wrap it up here, but Isaac, I want to
• 59:58
  give you the final thoughts here.
• 59:59
  So give us your final thoughts on the NFC.
• 1:00:04
  I think the, the, the, gosh, this is such a wild take.
• 1:00:07
  I'm going to try to be not a Homer, but I do think that I
• 1:00:13
  think that the Super Bowl representative for the NFC is
• 1:00:15
  going to come out of the NFC North.
• 1:00:17
  I'm going to give you a bold take right now.
• 1:00:19
  I think I don't think Philly's getting back.
• 1:00:22
  Could be wrong. I don't see the 49ers.
• 1:00:25
  I don't see the Bucks. So the only team would be the
• 1:00:27
  Rams. I'm really worried about and
• 1:00:28
  Stafford's got to stay healthy. I like them.
• 1:00:30
  I do like the Rams, but they've been weird, like they can't get
• 1:00:33
  by Philly. They like them though.
• 1:00:35
  They're good team. But I do think the NFC North is
• 1:00:38
  going to go to the Super Bowl, either Green Bay or Detroit.
• 1:00:40
  There's a bowl take for you all. Right, I like it.
• 1:00:44
  Hoping I'm right. You heard it here first.
• 1:00:45
  You heard it here first. All right, well, we're going to
• 1:00:50
  wrap it up for this episode, but thank you, Isaac for coming on.
• 1:00:53
  Had a lot of fun talking with you about the NFC.
• 1:00:55
  Stay tuned guys for next week. It is our Halloween episode, so
• 1:00:59
  we're going to do some Halloween themed topics trick or treat,
• 1:01:04
  little contender or pretender, but it's called trick or treat
• 1:01:08
  and we are all going to be dressed up in costumes next
• 1:01:12
  week. So I think it's going to be a
• 1:01:13
  lot of fun. So stay tuned.
• 1:01:15
  I want. To put a warning, I want to put
• 1:01:17
  a warning real quick. I got, I tried on the costume
• 1:01:20
  that I had and it looks terrifying and it wasn't
• 1:01:23
  supposed to be scary. It's supposed to be like a
• 1:01:25
  cartoon character. And the mask is like Hellraiser
• 1:01:30
  level so maybe you listen to the audio version.
• 1:01:35
  Next. Week.
• 1:01:37
  I'm excited. I'm excited.
• 1:01:40
  All right, cool. So, yeah, that's all we have
• 1:01:42
  time for on this episode, guys. But as always, don't forget to
• 1:01:46
  keep your balls played with. We'll see you next time.
• 1:01:49
  Also, Mark Davis's haircut still sucks.