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Unit 731 with Jenny Chan · Asian Adjacent

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Speaker 1: Welcome to another edition of Asian Adjacents. I am James
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Speaker 1: lot Junior. I am the Asian Adjacent and once a
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Speaker 1: month we have a partnership well we have a partnership period,
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Speaker 1: but it's once a month I get together with Pacific
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Speaker 1: Atrocity's Education and we actually talk about a top topic
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Speaker 1: that we feel is meaningful that you at home should
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Speaker 1: know about. And here's one. This is This is one
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Speaker 1: that I didn't learn about in school. I learned about
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Speaker 1: it later, but I didn't learn about it in school.
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Speaker 1: It's called Unit seven three one, so seven thirty one.
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Speaker 1: And let me just tell you this one little sentence
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Speaker 1: here if you guys can understand what we're going to
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Speaker 1: talk about. Unit seven thirty one was a secret biological
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Speaker 1: and chemical war for research units okay of the Imperial
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Speaker 1: Japanese Army. It operated million theory during World War Two
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Speaker 1: and the nineteen thirties. It's regarded as one of the
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Speaker 1: most horrific you didn't you hear me correctly war crime
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Speaker 1: operations in modern history? And you're probably thinking, why I'm not?
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Speaker 1: I heard about it. That's what they did. They put
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Speaker 1: the atrocities out there so you hear about them. And
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Speaker 1: I'm bring them here and I have my girl. You
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Speaker 1: liked your last time. Yeah, it's Jenny Chad.
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Speaker 3: How you doing, Jenny.
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Speaker 2: I'm doing well. Thank you for having me again. Sorry
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Speaker 2: about my background. We're making it work. I'm just on
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Speaker 2: my laptop since we're doing home renovation.
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Speaker 3: The reason I've been there, I know what it's like.
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Speaker 1: So I told you it's always messy for a while
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Speaker 1: and then when it's done, it's beautiful.
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Speaker 2: Oh yeah, I'm so excited. I'm going to put in
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Speaker 2: Basebort soon and yeah, it's exciting for me. And also
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Speaker 2: why you haven't heard about it is because there was
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Speaker 2: this like deliberate cover up after the war, which we'll
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Speaker 2: get to later. And it's very fascinating how you can
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Speaker 2: get away with mass murder as long as you have
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Speaker 2: something to give to the government.
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Speaker 3: Yes, I mean so, folks.
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Speaker 1: What we're talking about is like there's a book out
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Speaker 1: there called also You the seven thirty one out there
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Speaker 1: without information later, but we're talking human experimentation. That's one
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Speaker 1: of the main things which you look at today. You're
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Speaker 1: sitting here at your home. You're at home, You're at home,
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Speaker 1: I'm at home. We're thinking life is good where it's fine,
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Speaker 1: but there are times in history when it was it
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Speaker 1: like that, and that's was so crazy. So I want
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Speaker 1: to ask you first, how'd you learn about seven thirty one.
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Speaker 2: I saw it on some Asian news story and I thought, wow,
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Speaker 2: this is maybe a fic news story, and then I
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Speaker 2: started digging into it because it looks so horrific. And
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Speaker 2: I heard about this lawsuit of this region of people
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Speaker 2: that were having rotten legs and because they were doing
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Speaker 2: biological weapons in their town, like seventy eighty years ago.
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Speaker 2: And now I was thinking, there's no way, how can
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Speaker 2: this even be that seventy eighty years ago and they're
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Speaker 2: still pulling this up. This must be some kind of
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Speaker 2: fake news. And I saw in the news that there
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Speaker 2: was this woman named Wan Shan who was going into
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Speaker 2: Japanese Supreme Court to sue those the Japanese government about
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Speaker 2: you know, seven three one. So I reached out to her.
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Speaker 2: I actually stayed at night at her Shang High House
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Speaker 2: and she showed me all the evidence that she had,
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Speaker 2: and so I found it very fascinating because I had
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Speaker 2: never heard about it, and she was telling me it
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Speaker 2: had to do with how right after Pearl Harbor. Everyone
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Speaker 2: knows about the Pearl Harbor. But right after Pearl Harbor,
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Speaker 2: FDR was pissed off and then sent a bunch of
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Speaker 2: raiders pilots to little Raiders to Japan to bomb Japan.
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Speaker 2: And then but right after that, like if you go
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Speaker 2: to Japan, it's like there's no fuel to go back
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Speaker 2: to make an immediate route back. So those people either
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Speaker 2: end up in China or in Russia, or they end
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Speaker 2: up getting killed by the Japanese in Japan. And so
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Speaker 2: a bunch of Doo little Raiders then end up in
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Speaker 2: Didawn Province and a bunch of Chinese villagers help them,
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Speaker 2: and then the Chinese villagers then ended up being then
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Speaker 2: there was this revenge attacked by Unit seven three one.
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Speaker 2: So then they spray they sprayed glanders and end racks
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Speaker 2: in the soil, and so then that's when so when
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Speaker 2: people were trying to work on these fields, they then
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Speaker 2: get end racks and glanders which end up rotting their
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Speaker 2: legs and like for eight decades later if you think
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Speaker 2: about it, because they didn't no one knew how to
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Speaker 2: like cure this until like twenty fourteen when they were
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Speaker 2: finally doing skin grafting and then now these people can
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Speaker 2: actually wear socks, and it's just so fascinating that we
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Speaker 2: don't hear about it, even though that it's like a
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Speaker 2: thing from World War two. And I recently read that
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Speaker 2: the verdict of that trial that Wanshrim was in apparently
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Speaker 2: the Japanese court admitted that Unit seven three one attacks
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Speaker 2: didn't happened, but there's no like solid evidence, but they
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Speaker 2: admitted that it happened. And so then but there was
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Speaker 2: no reparation for these people who ended up up getting
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Speaker 2: like having rotten legs and like some of them were
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Speaker 2: so rotten that the limbs fell off and it smelled terrible,
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Speaker 2: and just imagine, like I can't even imagine living a
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Speaker 2: day like that, but these people lived decades like that,
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Speaker 2: like this whole village in you. So that's how I
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Speaker 2: first heard about it, and then when I looked more
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Speaker 2: into it, Unit seven three one is like I read
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Speaker 2: this book by Sheldon Hearers, and I mean I was speechless.
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Speaker 2: I read both editions, and I was really speechless by
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Speaker 2: how cruel it was. In order to develop anthrax and
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Speaker 2: glanders that they will spray on the soil, at first
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Speaker 2: they had to do human experimentation on how it will
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Speaker 2: react in people's bodies. And yeah, and so it's just
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Speaker 2: that level of cruelty. And like when I read these pages,
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Speaker 2: like it's hard for me to even imagine what these
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Speaker 2: I mean, I can't imagine dying that way. I get
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Speaker 2: a paper cut and I'm already screaming exactly exactly, and
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Speaker 2: I'm laughing because it's like making me so uncomfortable to
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Speaker 2: think about these things again. But it's just like and
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Speaker 2: they did vivid section where they were like they opened
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Speaker 2: someone alive without anesthesia just to see how certain chemical
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Speaker 2: would react in people's body and whatnot. So it's very
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Speaker 2: fascinating how much they were doing in this like covert
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Speaker 2: lap of this biological lap.
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Speaker 1: Some of the things they were doing, folks, and just
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Speaker 1: just a little cautious some strong language and things that
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Speaker 1: like they were infecting, deliberately infecting people would play cholera,
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Speaker 1: anth actions, she said, syphilis. They're doing viewers sections without anesthesia.
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Speaker 1: They were exposing them to extreme weather conditions to see
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Speaker 1: how they would react, like extreme cold to study frost bite.
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Speaker 1: I mean, that's crazy, testing biological weapons on them, poisons, explosives.
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Speaker 1: The book that I that I had saw, you said,
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Speaker 1: the one by Jan Yu Jang, it actually has on
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Speaker 1: the cover actually what they're doing to two Hemo and
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Speaker 1: it's like you saw, it's like and it's like it's
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Speaker 1: very it's explicit, but they show they show you on
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Speaker 1: the cover of the book the kind of grabs your attention,
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Speaker 1: I mean, and folks, compared to again, it's a comparable.
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Speaker 1: It's what the Nazis were doing at the same time.
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Speaker 2: And well, the thing is that the Unit seven three
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Speaker 2: one like museum in Harbin is actually very massive. That's
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Speaker 2: because in Isshihiro, the founder of Unit seven three one,
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Speaker 2: at first had it in Tokyo and when the Emperor,
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Speaker 2: well actually he got his funding from the emperor. Directly
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Speaker 2: from the emperor. He knew that during the Russo Japanese
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Speaker 2: War they were having issues with water, so he made
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Speaker 2: this water filter. He peeed into it, and then he
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Speaker 2: showed and then he drank from this his filter pee.
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Speaker 2: He was a showman too, he knew how to get money,
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Speaker 2: and he then filtered his own pe and then was
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Speaker 2: a to like impress the emperor because the Emperor was
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Speaker 2: like a hobby biologist and was like, wow, this is
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Speaker 2: this actually worked and he got a bunch of money.
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Speaker 2: He started his lab in Tokyo. But imagine Tokyo is
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Speaker 2: so small, it's like a populist city. You're doing that,
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Speaker 2: it's like waiting to be caught. And so then when
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Speaker 2: he got caught, or actually he really didn't get caught,
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Speaker 2: because there's like an article that say that they recently
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Speaker 2: when they started developing like this region in Tokyo and Shibuya,
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Speaker 2: they dug up like a bunch of skeletons. But because
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Speaker 2: he kept it so secret, who knows what he was doing.
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Speaker 2: And so when Japan took over Manchuria Manchuquo, then he
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Speaker 2: was actually very like it's interesting to say this, because
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Speaker 2: he was like, wow, this is an opportunity because Manchuria
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Speaker 2: is like this vast land. It's like it's actually easier
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Speaker 2: to go from Manchuria to like current day north East
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Speaker 2: China to Japan, then going from like that region to
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Speaker 2: like Beijing, and he thought, wow, this is a great
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Speaker 2: opportunity for me to expand my research. So at first
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Speaker 2: he took out over a soy sauce factory. Then a
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Speaker 2: bunch of prisoners got out. Then he was like, oh,
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Speaker 2: I'm going to get exposed sooner than later. So he
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Speaker 2: took over a whole town like near ping Phone in
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Speaker 2: ping Phone, Neil Harbin, and he erected one hundred and
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Speaker 2: fifty buildings. So whatever you see on this museum site
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Speaker 2: is only a fraction because like he destroyed everything, and
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Speaker 2: he installed his brother as like a prison guard just
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Speaker 2: so then no one gets out alive. And he like
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Speaker 2: with the one hundred and fifty buildings, he had like dormitory,
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Speaker 2: he had like all kinds of research going on, and
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Speaker 2: like you were saying about the biological weapons, uh that
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Speaker 2: they were testing, they like tied prisoners to steaks and
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Speaker 2: then they're out there and then he has his own
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Speaker 2: jet and then he was dropping like ceramic bombs with
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Speaker 2: fleas to test out like these biological weapons. And what
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Speaker 2: was the most interesting about this is that by the
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Speaker 2: end of the war, like near the end of the war,
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Speaker 2: he had this plan of sending a bunch of balloons
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Speaker 2: to California so then he can like infect the whole
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Speaker 2: coast of California. It's called the Operation Cherry Blossom. And
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Speaker 2: like no one heard about this, Oh you heard this one, Okay, great,
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Speaker 2: So yeah, and then recently we started digging into more
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Speaker 2: of the balloon things, and apparently they did send a few,
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Speaker 2: like a bunch of balloons to like New Mexico because
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Speaker 2: they knew that's where they were working with like Manhattan
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Speaker 2: Project and whatnot. And so it's it's interesting how how
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Speaker 2: much he was able to do with so much money.
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Speaker 2: And I have a book called Maruta of Unit seventy
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Speaker 2: three one, and basically they call these people maruta because
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Speaker 2: it's like a log, so they're like, Okay, these are marutas.
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Speaker 2: So they had this thing where they at first when
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Speaker 2: they're when the laborers were building Unit seventy three one,
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Speaker 2: they were like, oh, what are we building? Blah blah blah,
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Speaker 2: And then the signists made like a little little sick
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Speaker 2: joke saying, oh, we're building a lumber mill. And then
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Speaker 2: when they have like quantum armies, special deliveries, then they
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Speaker 2: would ship these people in there and then they would
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Speaker 2: call them maruta, which is like a Japanese word for logs,
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Speaker 2: and so to dehumanize and desensitize what they're doing to
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Speaker 2: other humans.
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Speaker 1: It's crazy, folks. And that's where I always it's hard
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Speaker 1: for me to conceive. It means they're in front of us.
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Speaker 1: It's hard to conceive treating a person less than human.
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Speaker 1: And I don't understand. I don't understand. I don't understand.
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Speaker 1: I don't want to understand. I'll never understand. I don't
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Speaker 1: want understand how a person could do so like this
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Speaker 1: and lived themselves. Because many of these guys were not prosecuted.
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Speaker 1: They went on to become prominent doctors and ship some
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Speaker 1: got asylum in the US. Like there's there's like they
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Speaker 1: they didn't get nothing happened to them.
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Speaker 2: No, unfortunately, I don't think anything happened to them. And
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Speaker 2: what's very interesting too, is that so after the war
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Speaker 2: and whatnot, he when the Soviet Union was coming in
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Speaker 2: from Manchuria and they knew that they were losing, and
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Speaker 2: so they bomb they detonate the whole complex and burn
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Speaker 2: all the documents. And is she yeah exactly? And is
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Speaker 2: she just grabbed whatever that he could grab into a suitcase,
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Speaker 2: went back home, faked his own funeral. But then the
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Speaker 2: CIA found him. So you think, oh CIA found him,
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Speaker 2: is going to be great, you know, justice, he's going
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Speaker 2: to face justice. But after this CIA found him, he
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Speaker 2: had like a whole pet monkey and then they were
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Speaker 2: like he was trying to, you know, not say that
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Speaker 2: he did whatever he did during the war. And what
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Speaker 2: was interesting is that then he was telling, like you
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Speaker 2: can see all these interrogations that I put on our
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Speaker 2: archive as well on Reclaim hosting, that he has something
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Speaker 2: to trade. And so then like they send a few
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Speaker 2: investigators into Japan and try to see what he has
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Speaker 2: and if it's legit, and it turned out they're very legit.
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Speaker 2: And so then you see like these three years of
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Speaker 2: like back and forth from these investigators, and then they
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Speaker 2: even send like scientists from Fort Dee Trick, which was
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Speaker 2: a biological lab and operated in the United States, to
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Speaker 2: see if these findings are legit. And then like Norbert Fell,
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Speaker 2: one of the investigators, then promised immunity to these scientists
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Speaker 2: who were involved in Unit seven three to one, and
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Speaker 2: then they got immunity deal and then that was that.
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Speaker 2: And also I want to say something if I may,
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Speaker 2: during the Soviet Union, when the Soviet Union chime went in,
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Speaker 2: not all the scientists got away. So some scientists were
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Speaker 2: actually caught by the Soviet Union and then there was
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Speaker 2: a bar of trial where they were facing justice. But
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Speaker 2: most of most of them, if you asked me, they
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Speaker 2: didn't really face justice because they were released by like
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Speaker 2: nineteen fifty eight, and so it's like no big deal.
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Speaker 2: You know, you'll probably go to jail more for I
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Speaker 2: don't know, robbing a bank, not mass murder. And uh.
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Speaker 2: And then the Soviets UH then establish this nthrax andrax lab.
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Speaker 2: They establish a lab using Unit seven one. Some of
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Speaker 2: the Unit seven one scientists experience experiments, and then they
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Speaker 2: had like an en rax leak in Swirlock. I can't
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Speaker 2: pronounce it. I'm not I can't do Russian. But you
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Speaker 2: can look it up. You can look it up at
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Speaker 2: the and the end rax leak. And so it's just
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Speaker 2: like whoever, I'm not, So I'm just saying to be
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Speaker 2: fair that like the top, whoever is trying to control
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Speaker 2: the civilization is everyone is doing something shady.
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Speaker 1: It is And what's crazy is what she's saying that
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Speaker 1: they also do experience on some Russians, Koreans, any Hilly
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Speaker 1: prisoners of war. Like no one was no one was
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Speaker 1: immune to this. I mean, it just it was just
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Speaker 1: kind of like we're talking like thousands of people went
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Speaker 1: through this whole process, and even more, you said, are
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Speaker 1: residual effects.
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Speaker 3: From it well.
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Speaker 2: And then also and it's not like you know, they
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Speaker 2: just do human experimentation is over. They used that human
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Speaker 2: experimentation result to go and spray some soil and then
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Speaker 2: it has like residual effects like eighty years later. It's crazy.
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Speaker 2: And on top of that, I don't know if you
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Speaker 2: know about this well actually on our website, this is
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Speaker 2: newly fine found fact for me. Anyway, maybe some other
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Speaker 2: people knew this a long time ago that in the
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Speaker 2: Yokohama trial, they there was this class being class D
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Speaker 2: war criminals. So class being classy are like not as guilty.
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Speaker 2: They're not like, you know, people who would kill the
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Speaker 2: whole city of Manila. So maybe they only killed a
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Speaker 2: couple of people, not like a couple of thousands of people.
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Speaker 2: And this is very ridiculous for like you know, tears
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Speaker 2: of war criminals. And they I saw on this trial
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Speaker 2: that these B twenty nine bombers were bombing told guilt
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Speaker 2: by the end of close to the end of war
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Speaker 2: in like May nineteen forty five. Then they were captured
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Speaker 2: and then they were some villagers captured them, some died immediately,
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Speaker 2: but then the ones that were captured were then shipped
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Speaker 2: to this hospital and they thought they were being saved.
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Speaker 2: The nurses were saying that, oh yeah, they were. They
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Speaker 2: thought they were being safe. But then little did they
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Speaker 2: know that they were being shipped for human experimentation in
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Speaker 2: q Shoot Imperial University. So I have a feeling that
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Speaker 2: it's not just new that seventy three one that was
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Speaker 2: doing that kind of biological research, like it was like
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Speaker 2: a whole neckwork, whole network of scientists. Because imagine, I
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Speaker 2: think money corrupts, and so then if someone saw Issu
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Speaker 2: Shiro that has like all this kind of money from
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Speaker 2: the emperor, and then they want to be just like him.
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Speaker 1: Yeah, right, money is money talks, and it's it also
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Speaker 1: could be you have your own aspirations and you can
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Speaker 1: get you can get some funding for your stuff because
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Speaker 1: he got funding for his style. Like it's it's it's
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Speaker 1: money makes to go world go around, That's what it is.
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Speaker 1: And the people who really just do not care for
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Speaker 1: human life. They don't care. It's all about ego and power.
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Speaker 1: That's all it is. Ego power, I gotta you know.
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Speaker 1: And it's it's like you said, you guys all heard
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Speaker 1: about the Nazi stuff and a few other a few
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Speaker 1: other places when they did experiments in America. America had
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Speaker 1: places too here who did some weird shit here too,
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Speaker 1: But because it's the Asian adjacent show, I was like,
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Speaker 1: this is very important for us to talking about because
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Speaker 1: like it's just something that I found out as an
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Speaker 1: adult about this, and they're like, no one else they're
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Speaker 1: not they're not bringing this up. I don't see this
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Speaker 1: they talked anywhere.
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Speaker 2: It's like it's well, in America does this, But then
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Speaker 2: it's like America also acquire reports from people who have
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Speaker 2: done this, so then they can advance their own research
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Speaker 2: like what we saw on Unit seventy one. And what's
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Speaker 2: fascinating is that, like you can really get away with
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Speaker 2: mass murdering as long as you have something to trade.
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Speaker 2: And it's not like they were doing this kind of
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Speaker 2: plea deal with like you know, two three weeks. Then
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Speaker 2: some low level guys it's like, okay, you can get
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Speaker 2: away with it. We'll talk about top scientists. So at
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Speaker 2: what point is it, like, is it okay to then
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Speaker 2: push for this kind of this kind of what do
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Speaker 2: you call it? Like? At what point the do people
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Speaker 2: in society get so corrupt that they're corrupting the whole system, right,
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Speaker 2: like the scientists, the investigators, judges.
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Speaker 3: It's it's Jenny.
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Speaker 1: It's funny to me because I was watching another document.
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Speaker 3: Or something any different.
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Speaker 1: But back in the day when it used to be
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Speaker 1: it would say no Blacks, no Asians, no dogs. Yes
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Speaker 1: we were it'd be like, or no Asians, no dogs,
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Speaker 1: no Blacks, no dogs. It was like we were reduced.
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Speaker 1: Like you said earlier, they used language like this thing
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Speaker 1: was logs. Logs literally a log, like a log, and
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Speaker 1: they took the humanity out of out of you, the
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Speaker 1: whole thing and said, oh, these aren't really people, these
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Speaker 1: are logs. Like these aren't Asians are like dogs. They're
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Speaker 1: the same. So they eat at the restaurant. They gotta
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Speaker 1: eat outside you like, it's like it's you know, the
21:47
Speaker 1: wording is everything, Jenny, right, it's it's so weird too,
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Speaker 1: like de humanize you and be okay with what you're doing.
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Speaker 3: They're just like logs.
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Speaker 2: And like Bruce Lee, that's so funny that you're talking
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Speaker 2: about that, because Bruce Lee actually one of them. Bruce
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Speaker 2: Lee movie was like I did see that sign no Asians,
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Speaker 2: no dogs. And what's fascinating is also like Exclusionary Act,
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Speaker 2: the Chinese Exclusionary Act. Everyone could have come to this
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Speaker 2: country except for people who are Chinese. You know, we're
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Speaker 2: number one. We did it, like they wrote immigration law
22:27
Speaker 2: just for Chinese people.
22:29
Speaker 1: Right, that's funny. But I'm saying that's the point. It's like,
22:32
Speaker 1: I don't understand when you said earlier they refurach them
22:35
Speaker 1: as like shipped them, shipped them, referred to them as logs.
22:39
Speaker 1: That's like, that's not human, that's not even we don't
22:42
Speaker 1: now even we don't evenhip our animals like that, like
22:44
Speaker 1: we cheat our animals better now that they used to.
22:47
Speaker 1: It's like it's one of those things. It's just like
22:49
Speaker 1: it's it's it's for real. It's like they were they
22:51
Speaker 1: were really making it seem like these are not real people,
22:55
Speaker 1: these are entities to be experimented with. Now, that's weird, Jenny,
23:02
Speaker 1: That's that's weird.
23:04
Speaker 3: That's weird.
23:05
Speaker 1: I'm just like I didn't get and then he said
23:08
Speaker 1: they'll basically get away with it basically, and we should
23:13
Speaker 1: know this, folks. I would say any government. I don't
23:17
Speaker 1: think any government's.
23:18
Speaker 3: Immune to this.
23:19
Speaker 1: Around the world, there's corruption and there. People will rationalize
23:27
Speaker 1: anything if it's for they think they're greater.
23:29
Speaker 2: Good yep, national interest yep.
23:37
Speaker 1: Right, and that I mean is that crazy? That's they
23:39
Speaker 1: They will they will work it around, they will twist
23:42
Speaker 1: it and do all this stuff so that it's okay
23:45
Speaker 1: for them to do this. And even though some folks
23:50
Speaker 1: may still be like, this isn't humane. I don't like,
23:52
Speaker 1: but you had a lot of cast to them, so
23:55
Speaker 1: to speak.
23:56
Speaker 2: Yeah, just like the Philippines too. I mean, I mean
24:01
Speaker 2: just recent current situation makes me think about the Philippines
24:05
Speaker 2: a lot. The American and the Spanish War, America didn't
24:10
Speaker 2: even want to go into the Philippines, but then Teddy
24:15
Speaker 2: Roosevelt captured like two tribesmen I think from the Philippines
24:19
Speaker 2: and said that like, oh, that's how they're alike. And
24:23
Speaker 2: then they had like a whole world expo to show
24:25
Speaker 2: how like we need to civilize the Philippines, and like
24:29
Speaker 2: they shave these guys that they found, the tribesmen of
24:32
Speaker 2: like Philippines, the Filipino tribesmen, they shave their teeth down,
24:36
Speaker 2: and then they put dogs in the pen and then
24:39
Speaker 2: they say like, oh, these Filipino people eat dogs. It's
24:42
Speaker 2: like the same way of how they dehumanize them. And
24:45
Speaker 2: then like a top anthropologist was like, oh yeah, this
24:49
Speaker 2: is like some kind of race study. And then we
24:52
Speaker 2: realized that we're above the Filipinos and therefore we need
24:57
Speaker 2: to conquer them and teach them how to live better life.
25:00
Speaker 2: It's just like, you know, why are you able to
25:03
Speaker 2: go in there and then make make all of that statement.
25:12
Speaker 2: It's so wild to me. It's so wild to me.
25:15
Speaker 2: Like you live in l A, right, we have you
25:17
Speaker 2: have skip rope in San Francisco, we have our downtown
25:20
Speaker 2: looks crazy as hell.
25:25
Speaker 3: I'm like, yeah, it's very.
25:28
Speaker 2: So like all these like all these people are jumping.
25:32
Speaker 2: We can't even run the cities in our country, and
25:35
Speaker 2: we're telling people that we can run other people's country.
25:38
Speaker 2: That is the craziest thing I've ever seen. And so
25:43
Speaker 2: I think that also has to do with like a
25:45
Speaker 2: media port portrayal of like things like how is how
25:50
Speaker 2: currently the media is running the landscape of the media.
25:53
Speaker 2: So I really applaud what you do at JLJ. I
25:55
Speaker 2: think you just tell it like what it is, and
25:58
Speaker 2: people need to subscribe because you're you're telling people what.
26:03
Speaker 1: It is like we are and want to think, thank you, oh,
26:07
Speaker 1: thank you for that one of the things about you know,
26:09
Speaker 1: three seventy one and other things like this. It gets
26:14
Speaker 1: shoved under the rug, it gets hidden because they have
26:17
Speaker 1: they have because back then especially there was no social
26:20
Speaker 1: media that kind of stuff, so it was like it
26:22
Speaker 1: was the And this also happened in the war too.
26:26
Speaker 1: You don't understand if you're a war correspondent, the government
26:30
Speaker 1: still whether no matter where you were, make sure where'd
26:34
Speaker 1: you write about. You can't say this, you can't. It
26:37
Speaker 1: was a propaganda machine.
26:39
Speaker 2: So r had a whole censorship program to censor because
26:44
Speaker 2: he was at one point he was like, oh, if
26:45
Speaker 2: people know about these atrocities, then no one's going to
26:48
Speaker 2: go fight the war. And then he will feature certain
26:50
Speaker 2: stories to like make it so hard, so hard, uh
26:55
Speaker 2: breaking that people are like, oh, we need to help
26:57
Speaker 2: these people, and just mentioning about Chinese Exclusionary Act right
27:03
Speaker 2: how people had all these ideas about Chinese people, but
27:06
Speaker 2: then right after Pearl Harbor, who's our favorite ally China,
27:11
Speaker 2: just overnight, And so it just shows how powerful media is.
27:17
Speaker 2: And also with this censorship program, I mean this whole
27:22
Speaker 2: I mean, if you look at it in the historical lens,
27:25
Speaker 2: the whole media landscape is so crazy. And with the Philippines,
27:30
Speaker 2: like what I was mentioning before, like the American Spanish War.
27:34
Speaker 2: Even even back in like one hundred step I mean
27:37
Speaker 2: one hundred couple of years ago, with the American Spanish War,
27:42
Speaker 2: they were having these stories like, oh, these Spanish men
27:45
Speaker 2: are raping these American women. We need to go into Cuba,
27:49
Speaker 2: and we need to go into Philippines. So it's just
27:51
Speaker 2: like media tactics of like getting people to do something.
27:55
Speaker 2: So you know, unsubscribed to MSNBC and subscribe to j
27:59
Speaker 2: J LJ Media.
28:04
Speaker 1: Because I think it's just it's it's great understanding for
28:08
Speaker 1: folks because yes, this happened in the past, but in
28:13
Speaker 1: some places, in some ways, it's still happening today, or
28:15
Speaker 1: it could happen tomorrow. We have to watch with an
28:18
Speaker 1: eye open eye to what has happened in the past.
28:22
Speaker 1: It's good to know webs in the past anyway, but
28:24
Speaker 1: you should always keep an eye open because the world
28:28
Speaker 1: is changing all the time and there are some things
28:32
Speaker 1: that look like things in the past in our governments
28:36
Speaker 1: these days. Yes, gotta be careful.
28:39
Speaker 3: We got kids.
28:40
Speaker 1: Be careful. And I don't care what side you're on.
28:42
Speaker 1: You should all have your eyes open, period, because this
28:45
Speaker 1: does sound outrageous to you. It sounds outrageous like they
28:48
Speaker 1: did what we're talking twelve thousand people but just like
28:52
Speaker 1: exploding it on and and like no.
28:54
Speaker 3: One did anything. I'm like, that's not really far fetched.
28:59
Speaker 1: It isn't It could have happened again, Yeah, with no shame,
29:02
Speaker 1: it could happen. It could happen again. And what you
29:04
Speaker 1: just said, it is very important people understand too. Our
29:07
Speaker 1: allies switched all the time. I think it was our
29:12
Speaker 1: friend to you at one point, you know, Russia wasn't
29:15
Speaker 1: our friend and Russia was our outre things. The allies
29:19
Speaker 1: change all the time. So watch when you hear the
29:23
Speaker 1: new what's going on out there and who's talking to whom?
29:26
Speaker 1: And because that's that's the thing. I mean, if if
29:29
Speaker 1: she just said if a country sees value in something,
29:34
Speaker 1: even atrocity, because even with the Nazis, there were some
29:38
Speaker 1: advancements and people thought that would they talked science advancements,
29:42
Speaker 1: they told so if there's an atrocity that someone thinks
29:45
Speaker 1: can bring value to something, watch out, they watch out.
29:52
Speaker 1: That's like, that's that's the crazy bart, Jenny. It's like,
29:54
Speaker 1: that's what I mean they don't. Everything everything has a price, yes.
30:00
Speaker 2: Yes, And in the Nazis they brought them over for
30:03
Speaker 2: the space race, the operation paper Clips, So it didn't
30:06
Speaker 2: matter what they were doing back at home, right, as
30:09
Speaker 2: long as you have some value to provide, then it's
30:12
Speaker 2: all good. It's going to help over our national interest.
30:16
Speaker 3: People will look the other way.
30:18
Speaker 1: It doesn't matter they looked this way and you hand
30:22
Speaker 1: some cash to them, they'll just doesn't go over here,
30:25
Speaker 1: and okay, okay, or that does sound horrible, but then
30:28
Speaker 1: not talk about we just won't talk about it.
30:30
Speaker 2: Oh, I just don't want to talk about that because
30:33
Speaker 2: I already got paid, so right.
30:35
Speaker 3: Right, right exactly.
30:38
Speaker 1: I like my house. I like my two pools, you
30:40
Speaker 1: know what I mean? Like people, people like especially. The
30:43
Speaker 1: thing is, especially if you come from humble, say, humble beginnings,
30:48
Speaker 1: and all of a sudden you have power, which also
30:51
Speaker 1: is a very big thing, power, and you have money,
30:55
Speaker 1: and so all of a sudden you're like that. You
30:58
Speaker 1: look down on those people that you were, what's one
31:00
Speaker 1: of them? But now you look down on them, so
31:03
Speaker 1: you don't care what happens to them. And doesn't that
31:06
Speaker 1: sound familiar today in America? Just there's some things happening
31:10
Speaker 1: that are really that are that are happening, that are
31:13
Speaker 1: we have to keep our eyes open to it. Says
31:15
Speaker 1: this picture behind you, behind me, that's not that can
31:19
Speaker 1: happen anytime anyway. It happened throughout history. It's happened in
31:22
Speaker 1: other places throughout history. And so I mean, and and
31:25
Speaker 1: you know in today's today's Asian generations, the Asian millennials,
31:31
Speaker 1: Asian gen zs, the Asian alphas are coming up. You
31:34
Speaker 1: need to know this stuff. You need to at least
31:35
Speaker 1: hear about it. You know it, right, Jenny, You get
31:38
Speaker 1: that's why, that's why you're around, So they get there.
31:41
Speaker 1: This is it's all of our history, but it's your
31:43
Speaker 1: history too.
31:44
Speaker 2: Right mm hmm yeah. And and I'll continue with like
31:48
Speaker 2: the national interest talk. And then right after that, right,
31:52
Speaker 2: Chinese Exclusionary Act, we don't like these Chinese. Then Pro
31:56
Speaker 2: Harper happened, Oh, China is our best friend. Then of
32:00
Speaker 2: China Civil War happened, and then Chang Kai Chek went
32:04
Speaker 2: to Taiwan and whatnot. Then it's like, oh, okay, we
32:10
Speaker 2: actually don't like China, and now we need these Japanese
32:13
Speaker 2: scientists to be on our side, so we can fight China,
32:16
Speaker 2: and so national interest it means differs all the time.
32:20
Speaker 2: And uh and war censorship is also very interesting. Let
32:24
Speaker 2: me go back to that point because I forgot about
32:26
Speaker 2: this earlier that like and then the President fell in
32:31
Speaker 2: love with this picture of I'm pretty sure you have
32:34
Speaker 2: seen it Iwo Jima where they were raising the flag,
32:38
Speaker 2: right the flags of her fathers by James Bradley, and
32:42
Speaker 2: then told these people who have PTSD to go fundraise
32:46
Speaker 2: so then they would use they And then every single
32:50
Speaker 2: time that they have these like fundraising war bond tours,
32:53
Speaker 2: these people we move, we lived their PTSD time. And
32:58
Speaker 2: like one of the character in in the book is
33:02
Speaker 2: like a Native American and was not even supposed to
33:06
Speaker 2: be and these like classy places that they're fundraising from,
33:10
Speaker 2: but then they had to do it. I mean he
33:12
Speaker 2: was just banned from like this restaurant, he can't go
33:14
Speaker 2: in there, but then now he has to do this
33:16
Speaker 2: whole fundraising gig. And so it's just interesting and like
33:21
Speaker 2: I feel like there's all people who just listen to
33:25
Speaker 2: the media. I don't want to insult anyone, but people
33:28
Speaker 2: who just listen to the media and believe and everything
33:30
Speaker 2: they need, they say need to some people really need
33:34
Speaker 2: to have some critical thinking because what could be your
33:37
Speaker 2: friend today could be your enemy tomorrow, right, Like why
33:41
Speaker 2: are they so And it's so hard for people to
33:45
Speaker 2: even fathom that America was losing the war before nineteen
33:49
Speaker 2: forty four if you think about it. But we're like
33:53
Speaker 2: this victor and no one can ever like crush us.
33:56
Speaker 2: Like why, I don't know if you saw this about
34:01
Speaker 2: starlink just was crushed in Iran like they jammed it.
34:08
Speaker 2: And it's so crazy because on the media they're always like, oh,
34:12
Speaker 2: these backward people, these blackword people, and then now they're
34:16
Speaker 2: saying that Russia did it. But this is the first
34:18
Speaker 2: time that starlink was like jammed and during the Russian
34:21
Speaker 2: Ukraine War. If Russia had this technology, Russia would have
34:24
Speaker 2: already used it during the Ukraine War. And so then
34:28
Speaker 2: why are we saying that these Iranians cannot have technology
34:33
Speaker 2: that can jam starlink? Is it because Elon is white
34:37
Speaker 2: and that you know, these people are different color? Is
34:41
Speaker 2: that why his tech is supposed to be superior than
34:45
Speaker 2: other people. I mean, Iran has a bunch of scientists.
34:47
Speaker 2: They're like very brilliant minded people, and they're from They're
34:52
Speaker 2: from like ancient society. They're from Persia, right, they're like
34:56
Speaker 2: the Persian poems they have. I mean, we're still using
34:59
Speaker 2: numbers is like an Arabic invention. So there are all
35:04
Speaker 2: these like media things that I think is still very
35:07
Speaker 2: biased up to today, and I think some of it
35:09
Speaker 2: is very race based.
35:11
Speaker 3: Still it is.
35:12
Speaker 1: I grew with Jenny completely and we have to understand
35:15
Speaker 1: also part of history. It's very well known that America
35:21
Speaker 1: is like very low when it comes to path and
35:23
Speaker 1: sciences and all that kind of stuff. And there are
35:25
Speaker 1: a lot of countries, especially the Asian countries especially and
35:29
Speaker 1: even South Asian countries are very high in those areas.
35:32
Speaker 1: They're higher in education rates, they produce. Even our president
35:37
Speaker 1: was like, we'll bring them over because they because they
35:39
Speaker 1: have to have scientists and lawyers and this and now
35:42
Speaker 1: like they just really they but at the same time
35:45
Speaker 1: we want to overcome them and take them over and
35:48
Speaker 1: threaten like but they're But the most.
35:49
Speaker 2: Like popular or famous case is the scientist Chan h
35:57
Speaker 2: q I a n You live in a you probably
36:00
Speaker 2: know about him. He like he was a brilliant scientists.
36:04
Speaker 2: He basically but then they said that, oh you are
36:08
Speaker 2: you're Chinese, you can't be here, and so then it's
36:12
Speaker 2: you have to go like, you have to go back.
36:16
Speaker 2: And when he went back, he single handedly built the
36:19
Speaker 2: Chinese space program. Yep, I'm simplifying the story. It's a lot.
36:28
Speaker 1: You can look it up and see it. But but
36:30
Speaker 1: you're right. I mean, that's the whole point. It's that
36:32
Speaker 1: we do stuff like that and we don't and we
36:34
Speaker 1: forget like we're not that powerful, not really, And it
36:38
Speaker 1: comes to education and stuff.
36:39
Speaker 3: There are other countries.
36:41
Speaker 1: We treat them like they're lesson because they don't act
36:44
Speaker 1: like us or live like we do. Uh so, so
36:47
Speaker 1: we say things like they're backwards, they're they're primitive. You
36:52
Speaker 1: know all those words. I love it, Jay earlier, the
36:54
Speaker 1: words because wording words are everything. But it comes to propaganda,
36:58
Speaker 1: it's words are everything, and it's by changing the word.
37:02
Speaker 1: And you watch on TV they're all pretty living huts
37:05
Speaker 1: and they're all primitive. You're like what And if you're
37:09
Speaker 1: never going to go there yourself, they'll never see the difference. Right,
37:11
Speaker 1: you go to you go to Asia or some of
37:13
Speaker 1: these other countries, and we don't think the least is
37:15
Speaker 1: just like we are running around with camels. There's actually
37:18
Speaker 1: some really complex, beautiful cities over there with all kinds
37:21
Speaker 1: of nightlife and very diverse. I mean in Asia, there's
37:24
Speaker 1: I mean, there's there's many things going over there. It's
37:26
Speaker 1: so wonderful.
37:27
Speaker 2: It's so crazy too. But like when I was watching
37:30
Speaker 2: MSNBC and then I saw on YouTube like just how
37:34
Speaker 2: they portray Iran, I was like, are we talk about
37:37
Speaker 2: the same thing? And then I started like following this
37:39
Speaker 2: channel that I think he traveled to, like Iran. And
37:42
Speaker 2: then he's like featuring this burger joint. I'm like, wow,
37:45
Speaker 2: I don't even know that people eat burger. I'm like, wow,
37:47
Speaker 2: they custer the buns. This all look good and that
37:54
Speaker 2: and this is the kind of thinking that like of
37:56
Speaker 2: other people being inferior that leads to like people eating
37:59
Speaker 2: able to do such things to the victims of UNI
38:03
Speaker 2: seventy one. Once you think someone is lesser than you,
38:07
Speaker 2: then it leads you to like have like all whatever
38:10
Speaker 2: empathy gets thrown out the door, and it's just all
38:14
Speaker 2: downhill from there.
38:15
Speaker 3: The folks will leave you with this and always leave
38:18
Speaker 3: you with this.
38:19
Speaker 1: Is that what Jane just said earlier, do your own
38:23
Speaker 1: independent research, Like, really, go out there and you hear something.
38:27
Speaker 1: Don't take it just for even listening to us. You know,
38:30
Speaker 1: you don't want to believe us. Go look at it
38:32
Speaker 1: out there. Go out there and seriously look it up.
38:36
Speaker 1: Do something to find some reputable places talking about this.
38:41
Speaker 1: And I just urge you to you because you'll find
38:43
Speaker 1: out so much stuff that you're like, what what.
38:47
Speaker 3: It also may make things clearer for you too. You
38:50
Speaker 3: may hear they go that makes sense? Why okay?
38:53
Speaker 1: You like, there's so many histories and all this show,
38:56
Speaker 1: you know, with her once a month, we're going to
38:57
Speaker 1: talk about a lot of these different things and get
38:59
Speaker 1: her out there.
38:59
Speaker 3: You guys, you guys can see what's going on.
39:01
Speaker 1: Because my friends Filipino was like, I had no idea
39:04
Speaker 1: what the Philippines history was.
39:05
Speaker 3: She had no idea, She had no idea. We're gonna
39:08
Speaker 3: talk about all the show.
39:09
Speaker 1: Well, you gotta know something, and because they just they
39:12
Speaker 1: don't know, because it's not being You can't rely on textbooks,
39:16
Speaker 1: you can't rely on a lot of things anymore. You
39:20
Speaker 1: have to independently go out there. And no one seems
39:22
Speaker 1: to be extra smarter or anything. Anybody could do.
39:25
Speaker 2: It, and life would be much more interesting. And you know,
39:29
Speaker 2: things that you think about will be much more interesting
39:31
Speaker 2: when you do it.
39:32
Speaker 3: I agree, I totally agree.
39:34
Speaker 1: Thank you Jenny for coming back on again once again.
39:37
Speaker 1: Show you back next month. We have another topic. Well,
39:40
Speaker 1: just you'll follow us here and once you know what's
39:41
Speaker 1: going on. But I want you to follow them to
39:43
Speaker 1: you and if you go to my pages, I am
39:45
Speaker 1: following them on everything but some specific Atrocity's education.
39:49
Speaker 2: What is your website at I.
39:52
Speaker 1: Don't work, so make sure you go and check out
39:54
Speaker 1: more stuff. She has brainy stuff on there. She's working
39:56
Speaker 1: hard for you guys, but still up there. And and
40:00
Speaker 1: you have to be Asian either. I think it's everybody
40:02
Speaker 1: should go over there. I don't care who you are.
40:05
Speaker 1: They learn some history, some history that you're not gonna
40:09
Speaker 1: get normally. I'm James Junior And of course, of course
40:13
Speaker 1: j LGB is everywhere and we'll see you, well, my
40:16
Speaker 1: show will be I'll be on again next week, but
40:18
Speaker 1: we'll see her again next month.
40:19
Speaker 3: You guys, take care