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Ranking EVERY 2006 Tooth & Nail Records Album · The BlackSheep Podcast: Presented by HM Magazine

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  Speaker 1: Today, we have our friends Meg and Lindsay. They've been
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  Speaker 1: on the podcast many times. They need no introduction. We
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  Speaker 1: are going to do, I've actually been really looking forward
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  Speaker 1: to this, probably for a couple of years, knowing how
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  Speaker 1: incredible this year was. But we're going to do a
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  Speaker 1: 20th anniversary kind of review of 2006 Tooth & Nail albums, okay?
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  Speaker 1: So we're going to do an S-tier ranking or just
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  Speaker 1: a tier list of 2006 Tooth & Nail albums, okay?
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  Speaker 1: I've been looking forward to this because some of the
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  Speaker 1: best Tooth & Nail albums of all time are from
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  Speaker 1: this year. And so this is definitely going to be
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  Speaker 1: one of those types of lists where it feels like
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  Speaker 1: there'll probably be more... S and A tiers than there
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  Speaker 1: are certainly F or D tiers. So I'm super excited
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  Speaker 1: to just be nostalgic about this year. This year also
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  Speaker 1: felt like maybe the first year, and I know I'm
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  Speaker 1: kind of the younger person of the group, but I'm
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  Speaker 1: not trying to throw that in anyone's face.
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  Speaker 2: You are. You are the baby.
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  Speaker 1: All right, well, I'll just admit it. I'm probably one
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  Speaker 1: of the younger ones in the group. And there is
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  Speaker 1: something really nostalgic about this year because it really felt
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  Speaker 1: like the first year year of tooth and nail that
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  Speaker 1: kind of like I felt like I was in the
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  Speaker 1: tooth and nail world enough at this point where all
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  Speaker 1: of the albums were that were coming out felt like
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  Speaker 1: kind of like I was a like I as a
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  Speaker 1: fan of these albums like got to feel the whole
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  Speaker 1: experience of their album cycle of like the promotion of
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  Speaker 1: them the marketing of them and then them coming out
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  Speaker 1: on like you may be like releasing like a single
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  Speaker 1: or a music video on pure volume or watching the
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  Speaker 1: first like music video on you know, one of the
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  Speaker 1: sort of Christian music video kind of TV shows or whatever.
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  Speaker 1: And then like actually watching or actually seeing like some
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  Speaker 1: of these albums live for the first time. So it
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  Speaker 1: just kind of felt like the first year where I
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  Speaker 1: was able to see some of these albums just kind
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  Speaker 1: of in their entirety as a Tooth & Nail fan.
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  Speaker 1: So I feel like it maybe I was a little
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  Speaker 1: too young for certainly 2004 and maybe even 2005. But 2006,
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  Speaker 1: like I remember the hype for some of these albums.
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  Speaker 1: I remember them coming out. I remember like seeing some
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  Speaker 1: of these albums live for the first time in the
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  Speaker 1: year that they were released. So it just felt like
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  Speaker 1: a very nostalgic time for me as a tooth and
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  Speaker 1: nail fan. So I'm sure you all have kind of
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  Speaker 1: your own thoughts on it. I don't know if you
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  Speaker 1: have any more to say, and then we can talk about, uh, the,
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  Speaker 1: the sort of gamey sort of thing that we'll do
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  Speaker 1: with this.
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  Speaker 2: Would you like to introduce people?
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  Speaker 1: Well, uh, Lindsay, do you want to say more about yourself?
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  Speaker 1: What do you do in the world? But you've been
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  Speaker 1: on the podcast a lot of times.
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  Speaker 3: I don't know. I've been on the podcast. I'm not
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  Speaker 3: doing much more in the world. I work from my home.
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  Speaker 3: I'm not even in the world. I'm in the world,
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  Speaker 3: but not of the world.
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  Speaker 1: Yeah, that's right. You've never been of the world.
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  Speaker 3: I've never been of the world.
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  Speaker 1: You're so pure.
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  Speaker 3: I'm so pure. Never left my house before. I never
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  Speaker 3: learned my ABCs.
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  Speaker 2: That's right. Meg.
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  Speaker 1: I love it. Do you want to say more about
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  Speaker 1: yourself at all?
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  Speaker 4: Well, now I feel weird because Lindsay didn't say much.
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  Speaker 4: I'm a high school teacher. I've been teaching high school
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  Speaker 4: for 15 years now, and I love music.
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  Speaker 2: You do goth shows, right?
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  Speaker 4: Yeah, yeah. We had to take a hiatus on that,
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  Speaker 4: but I do DJ. I was DJing, bartending, coffee shop,
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  Speaker 4: a lot of stuff on the side, but now I'm
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  Speaker 4: back to full-time teaching, and I love it. And my
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  Speaker 4: students know that if they want to get me off topic,
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  Speaker 4: all they have to do is ask.
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  Speaker 1: Me about music. That sounds easy enough. And I will say,
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  Speaker 1: you know, I mentioned that I was probably, you know,
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  Speaker 1: the youngest one in this group. You two probably remember
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  Speaker 1: this year very distinctly. It wasn't that long ago.
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  Speaker 4: Wait, wait. When you say you two, do you mean
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  Speaker 4: me and Lindsay or me and Colin?
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  Speaker 1: You and Lindsay.
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  Speaker 3: Yeah.
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  Speaker 4: Lindsay, what year did you graduate high school?
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  Speaker 3: Well, 2006 is when I had my first grandchild, so
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  Speaker 3: let's see.
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  Speaker 4: Okay.
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  Speaker 1: It's been 84 years.
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  Speaker 4: If anyone's listening and doesn't see the visual, they're going
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  Speaker 4: to be very confused.
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  Speaker 1: 2008.
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  Speaker 3: Okay, Colin.
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  Speaker 2: 2011.
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  Speaker 4: Are you answering for Mason or for yourself?
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  Speaker 2: For me.
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  Speaker 4: You're 2011?
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  Speaker 3: Yes.
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  Speaker 2: What's wrong with that?
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  Speaker 3: Mason, what's yours? 2013.
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  Speaker 1: Oh, my God.
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  Speaker 4: You guys. This sucks. 2006 is the year I graduated
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  Speaker 4: high school.
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  Speaker 1: What?
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  Speaker 2: That's when my sister graduated. That's awesome.
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  Speaker 4: So this is a particularly important year for me in music.
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  Speaker 2: So you and Lizzie.
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  Speaker 1: You were about to be a senior.
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  Speaker 4: No, I was a senior.
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  Speaker 3: Well, no. Oh, my.
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  Speaker 4: Yeah, I graduated in 2006. So 2005, 2006 was my
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  Speaker 4: senior year. But a lot of these albums, as I'll
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  Speaker 4: talk about, became important to me in my freshman year
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  Speaker 4: of college, which was also 2006.
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  Speaker 3: Wow. Wow.
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  Speaker 4: Gotcha.
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  Speaker 3: Gotcha.
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  Speaker 2: That makes sense.
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  Speaker 1: I could probably make more old jokes, but I'm not
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  Speaker 1: going to.
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  Speaker 4: Okay, thanks.
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  Speaker 1: Because, you know, I'm a better person than that. Wow.
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  Speaker 4: Thank you for that.
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  Speaker 1: All right, well, let's talk about what we'll do. So
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  Speaker 1: for those who have been on the internet for over
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  Speaker 1: the last five years, you know about the S tier scale,
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  Speaker 1: where S tier is the god tier. It's the best
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  Speaker 1: that there ever has been of whatever category you're ranking in.
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  Speaker 1: And then you go from there, you know, you go
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  Speaker 1: from S tier to basically like what we know as, well,
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  Speaker 1: other than Lindsay, what we know as kind of just
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  Speaker 1: the typical grading scale. So you go from A to
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  Speaker 1: B to C to D to F. For some reason
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  Speaker 1: we skip E. I don't know why that is, but
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  Speaker 1: we do. But, you know, S tier being the top,
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  Speaker 1: F being the lowest. And so there are 16 albums
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  Speaker 1: that were released on Tooth & Nail. in the year
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  Speaker 1: of 2006, I was about to say 2026, of the
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  Speaker 1: year 2006, just to give a little bit more kind
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  Speaker 1: of context around what we're going to do. There are,
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  Speaker 1: I think there were five or six solid state albums
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  Speaker 1: that were released distinctly and only exclusively as solid state
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  Speaker 1: albums in 2006. We are not ranking those, okay? So
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  Speaker 1: we are excluding those. Maybe that's a different list for
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  Speaker 1: a different time. but we are excluding those. We are
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  Speaker 1: only doing albums that were released on Tooth & Nail. However,
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  Speaker 1: there is one album that is an exception because it
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  Speaker 1: was released on both Solid State and Tooth & Nail.
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  Speaker 1: We'll get to that in a little bit. But other
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  Speaker 1: than that, every single album was on just Tooth & Nail.
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  Speaker 1: The other thing is we are not doing compilations. So
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  Speaker 1: there are a few compilations from this year. We are
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  Speaker 1: not doing compilations. And we are not doing... deluxe versions, uh,
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  Speaker 1: that were released in a year prior. I think there
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  Speaker 1: was like maybe one or two albums that were like
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  Speaker 1: deluxe versions that came out a year after this was like,
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  Speaker 1: I don't know if the general music scene was doing this,
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  Speaker 1: but like, I remember tooth and nail for like several
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  Speaker 1: years was doing this thing where like an album would
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  Speaker 1: come out a year later, they would do this deluxe version.
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  Speaker 1: And then, uh, and then there was that. So, uh,
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  Speaker 1: we're not doing that either. These are original albums that
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  Speaker 1: were kind of standalone albums that were released in 2006.
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  Speaker 1: So there are 16 of those. So we are going
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  Speaker 1: to do a ranking of 16 of these albums. So
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  Speaker 1: each one of us is going to give each of
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  Speaker 1: these albums a ranking. So again, S tier to F tier.
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  Speaker 1: And then we'll kind of just do a little like,
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  Speaker 1: average of all of those and then kind of figure
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  Speaker 1: out where we're going to put each one of these.
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  Speaker 1: And we'll see how this list ends up. I'm super
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  Speaker 1: excited about it. Again, I've been looking forward to this
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  Speaker 1: year for a very long time because some of my
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  Speaker 1: favorite Tooth & Nail albums were released this year. And
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  Speaker 1: so I do feel like it's going to be a
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  Speaker 1: pretty top heavy year, but we'll see. We'll see how
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  Speaker 1: the other judges decide. So are we ready to go?
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  Speaker 1: Do we have anything else that needs to be said, Cullen?
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  Speaker 2: I think that's about it, Mason. I think you nailed it.
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  Speaker 2: You have taken up eight minutes of the first part
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  Speaker 2: of this podcast. Let's get rolling.
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  Speaker 1: Much longer than I was anticipating. So we're going to
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  Speaker 1: go chronological order. And so the very first album that was,
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  Speaker 1: or the first two albums that were released on the
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  Speaker 1: same day in January, late January of 2006, the first one,
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  Speaker 1: Sullivan's Hey, I'm a Ghost. So each one of us
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  Speaker 1: will say just a couple things about this album. And
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  Speaker 1: then we'll go from there. But anybody have anything to
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  Speaker 1: say about Sullivan's Hey, I'm a Ghost?
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  Speaker 3: I hate Sullivan.
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  Speaker 1: Really?
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  Speaker 3: Sorry.
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  Speaker 4: I knew this was coming.
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  Speaker 3: I like their music. I like their music. That live
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  Speaker 3: was a terrible experience. I went from loving them to
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  Speaker 3: never listening to them again. It's mostly because.
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  Speaker 1: So.
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  Speaker 3: I talked about this in the text chain, which makes
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  Speaker 3: I'd save it for the podcast.
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  Speaker 1: I did.
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  Speaker 3: Essentially, the lead singer the entire time kept gabbing or
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  Speaker 3: he would like spit up in the air and then
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  Speaker 3: swat it out into the crowd.
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  Speaker 2: Oh, I love that. That's so metal.
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  Speaker 4: That's what that means?
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  Speaker 3: Yeah. But like what Sullivan song do you listen to
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  Speaker 3: and think?
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  Speaker 4: Not a single one that's what I was about to
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  Speaker 4: say I'm like they're not hard enough to be doing.
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  Speaker 3: No no they aren't so like we're all just like
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  Speaker 3: sitting there like what's going on?
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  Speaker 2: It's kind of like that, that one meme where that, uh,
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  Speaker 2: that drummer is at a church and he's like way
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  Speaker 2: too into.
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  Speaker 4: Oh, for the song.
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  Speaker 1: Oh shit. It just goes, does this metal like fill.
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  Speaker 1: It's so funny.
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  Speaker 3: Yeah. I saw a video.
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  Speaker 2: It's pretty tough to, it's pretty tough to turn people
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  Speaker 2: off with your live show. Usually that's like where you
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  Speaker 2: like draw like new listeners in and you're like, you're,
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  Speaker 2: you're recording maybe isn't as good. But when you turn
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  Speaker 2: people off to your live show, that's rough.
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  Speaker 4: It's usually the other way around. Yeah. Lindsay, what you
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  Speaker 4: said originally is basically sums up how I felt about
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  Speaker 4: them is I like them a lot musically. Or not lyrically. Vocally,
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  Speaker 4: not for me. I understand why people like them. People
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  Speaker 4: who are into bands like Sayosin, Circus Revive, like the
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  Speaker 4: high-pitched male vocalists. I can appreciate the talent there, but
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  Speaker 4: I've never super been into that sound. If someone puts
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  Speaker 4: it on when I'm around, like I won't complain and
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  Speaker 4: I'd even enjoy it. And there's some songs on that
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  Speaker 4: record that I was like, dang, like this is like
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  Speaker 4: actually really, really good. But I couldn't remember why I
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  Speaker 4: didn't really listen to them too much back in 2006.
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  Speaker 4: And then when I listened to it again, I was like, ah,
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  Speaker 4: this is why like his voice is just not for me.
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  Speaker 4: It's not my favorite style.
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  Speaker 1: Yeah.
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  Speaker 4: As my friend said, the singer is the biggest problem
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  Speaker 4: of that band.
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  Speaker 2: Yeah.
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  Speaker 4: And Lindsay would say that for different reasons.
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  Speaker 1: I guess.
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  Speaker 3: Now, let me be clear, too. I was like, this
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  Speaker 3: was probably one of my first shows. That was harder than, like,
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  Speaker 3: All-American Rejects. So, you know, like, I didn't really have
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  Speaker 3: a ton of experience going into this. I just knew that.
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  Speaker 3: I was like, what is going on? And, like, Cars
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  Speaker 3: at Breakneck Speeds is, like, I like that one a lot.
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  Speaker 3: I like that song a lot. So, like, honestly, I
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  Speaker 3: would probably put this one at a C.
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  Speaker 2: I don't know.
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  Speaker 3: Maybe even a B.
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  Speaker 4: I put a B-. Mine's a B-. The song, I
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  Speaker 4: think it's song two, 10 Ways to Impress. I love
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  Speaker 4: the music on that. And his voice isn't as high
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  Speaker 4: pitched on that song, except for the very beginning of
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  Speaker 4: the bridge. And just, there's so many musical elements in
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  Speaker 4: that album that I like was like, yeah, that part's awesome.
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  Speaker 4: But then they would just lose me with the like singing.
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  Speaker 1: Yeah.
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  Speaker 3: Huh.
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  Speaker 2: I think there's some, uh, some good, uh, pop punk
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  Speaker 2: type choruses almost that are kind of catchy. Uh, but
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  Speaker 2: I think that's about where it ends for me. I
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  Speaker 2: put this at a C.
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  Speaker 3: Yeah.
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  Speaker 1: Interesting. So what's funny for me, I think there's two
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  Speaker 1: things I want to bring up. One is I think
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  Speaker 1: I like it more than what you guys are talking
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  Speaker 1: about or where you guys are putting it. I would
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  Speaker 1: put it at like a strong like B plus probably
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  Speaker 1: like definitely like a strong B. I think in the
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  Speaker 1: whole like tooth and nail discography, one of maybe a
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  Speaker 1: top 50 song of all time for me is the
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  Speaker 1: Charity of St.
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  Speaker 2: Elizabeth.
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  Speaker 1: I think it is such a well-written song. And I get...
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  Speaker 1: I understand Brooks' vocals are kind of like... You either
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  Speaker 1: really love it or you probably hate it. There's probably
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  Speaker 1: no in-between there. And I get that. I probably generally,
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  Speaker 1: for most vocalists, wouldn't like his vocals at all. But
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  Speaker 1: for whatever reason, I happen to really like his vocal delivery.
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  Speaker 1: I don't know. I just really like this album quite
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  Speaker 1: a bit. It's certainly not my favorite. I find it pretty...
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  Speaker 1: Pretty good, but like not, you know, it's certainly not
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  Speaker 1: great or S tier, but I do really enjoy it.
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  Speaker 1: One thing I want to make note of is the
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  Speaker 1: fact that the drummer for this band is Spencer Chamberlain's brother.
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  Speaker 1: I don't know if any of you knew that.
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  Speaker 4: I did not know this.
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  Speaker 1: The drummer for this band, his name is Phil Chamberlain.
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  Speaker 1: I don't, it looked like he was at some point
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  Speaker 1: in To Speak of Wolves. I don't know if he
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  Speaker 1: has been for quite some time. I think he might be.
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  Speaker 1: A former member? Well, it looks like he's still the
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  Speaker 1: current drummer. I don't know. But anyway, yeah. Spencer Chamberlain's
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  Speaker 1: brother was the drummer for Sullivan. So anyway, I find
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  Speaker 1: that to be kind of a fun little fact. But
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  Speaker 1: I really enjoy this album. I think it's actually pretty
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  Speaker 1: well done for the most part. It certainly is not
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  Speaker 1: the worst album that came out this year. So I
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  Speaker 1: would put it at a strong B +. So I
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  Speaker 1: put it at a B +. Meg, you said B-?
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  Speaker 1: And then we have two Cs, right?
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  Speaker 3: I'm going to put mine to a B. I'm going
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  Speaker 3: to peer pressure. Okay.
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  Speaker 1: So let me do, I have.
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  Speaker 3: No strong convictions in this life. All right.
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  Speaker 1: So, so we've got, so with that, I do think,
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  Speaker 1: so we got to you.
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  Speaker 3: Okay.
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  Speaker 1: Lindsay, you said what it was a D for you. B.
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  Speaker 3: I said B.
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  Speaker 2: Okay.
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  Speaker 1: So I do think it probably with, with a few
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  Speaker 1: B's and a C, we're definitely going to put it
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  Speaker 1: in the B tier and then we need to move
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  Speaker 1: it around. We can move it around. But anyway, Sullivan's. Hey,
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  Speaker 1: I'm a ghost. We're going to put in the beach
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  Speaker 1: here for now.
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  Speaker 3: Oh my God. That's a ghost. I have never put
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  Speaker 3: that together. Sorry.
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  Speaker 1: All right. The next one. It's released on the same day. Uh, I'm,
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  Speaker 1: I know where Cullen's going to go on this one. Uh,
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  Speaker 1: what Tashi was eager seas, uh, release them again the
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  Speaker 1: same day. Uh, what do we think about what Tashi
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  Speaker 1: was eager seas?
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  Speaker 2: S this is an S 100% all the way. Best
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  Speaker 2: record of the year. 100%.
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  Speaker 1: Wow. Best record even.
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  Speaker 2: I still, still come back to this record at least
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  Speaker 2: once a month. It's that good. Songwriting is fantastic. Musically,
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  Speaker 2: it's fantastic. I feel like I'm on a journey every
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  Speaker 2: time I listen to it. Watching it live is just
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  Speaker 2: as good as on the record. I'm just, I love
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  Speaker 2: this album. This is honestly probably like my favorite song
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  Speaker 2: what I would call perfect album. Are you being serious?
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  Speaker 2: There's not a bad tune on it.
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  Speaker 4: Not a bad tune.
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  Speaker 1: Yeah, he's definitely dead serious. He's talked about this before.
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  Speaker 4: I know people who feel the same as you. I
• 16:02
  Speaker 4: am not one of those people, just to put my
• 16:04
  Speaker 4: cards on the table. But I do know people like you. Colin,
• 16:09
  Speaker 4: or I guess anyone, do you guys know the lore
• 16:10
  Speaker 4: about this album, this Natasha album?
• 16:13
  Speaker 1: Well, the fact that Is the lore the fact that
• 16:16
  Speaker 1: they broke up and they were going to be called
• 16:18
  Speaker 1: Eagercys and they decided to go back with being Watashiwa
• 16:22
  Speaker 1: and then they just decided to call the album Eagercys?
• 16:24
  Speaker 3: Yes.
• 16:25
  Speaker 2: Yeah, yeah.
• 16:25
  Speaker 3: It's perfect.
• 16:26
  Speaker 4: Because the guy, Seth Roberts, made a deal with Tooth
• 16:29
  Speaker 4: & Nail somehow and he was like, you got to
• 16:30
  Speaker 4: call it Watashiwa. He's like, okay, whatever.
• 16:34
  Speaker 2: Watashiwa is a better name. That's a great name.
• 16:37
  Speaker 3: Totally.
• 16:37
  Speaker 1: It is a good name.
• 16:38
  Speaker 4: Totally.
• 16:38
  Speaker 3: Yes.
• 16:39
  Speaker 4: Agreed.
• 16:39
  Speaker 3: Yeah. Okay.
• 16:40
  Speaker 1: It is a good name. All right. I'll... I remember
• 16:46
  Speaker 1: when this album came out, I just, I loved it
• 16:49
  Speaker 1: as well. Yeah, there are certainly a number of songs
• 16:53
  Speaker 1: on this album that I think are worth mentioning. Like 257,
• 16:58
  Speaker 1: I think is how you would call it. That song,
• 17:01
  Speaker 1: it's so beautiful. And yeah, like I said, or like
• 17:06
  Speaker 1: what Colin said, there are just so many moments on
• 17:09
  Speaker 1: this album where it's like, There's a little pop punk.
• 17:12
  Speaker 1: There's indie. There's alternative rock. There's like kind of piano rock.
• 17:16
  Speaker 1: Like it's just a good mix of a lot of
• 17:18
  Speaker 1: really good music, especially from this time in the mid 2000s.
• 17:21
  Speaker 1: So I just I think it's a it's a really
• 17:24
  Speaker 1: good album. I put it at this time or when
• 17:28
  Speaker 1: when I was listening to it and maybe in like 2006.
• 17:31
  Speaker 1: I probably would have thought of this as maybe a
• 17:34
  Speaker 1: B-tier album, but I think it's aged on me even better.
• 17:36
  Speaker 1: I would put it as an A-tier album now. It's
• 17:39
  Speaker 1: definitely not S-tier for me, but it's certainly a strong
• 17:41
  Speaker 1: A-tier for me.
• 17:43
  Speaker 2: Just to add one more thing on my end, right?
• 17:45
  Speaker 2: So I have.
• 17:47
  Speaker 2: There's only three bands that I have seen live where
• 17:52
  Speaker 2: I cried. I basically wept. It's Blindside. It's The Chariot.
• 17:59
  Speaker 4: Yeah.
• 18:01
  Speaker 2: And it's Watashi Wa for some reason. And I still
• 18:04
  Speaker 2: can't quite figure out why, but there's something about this
• 18:07
  Speaker 2: record in particular that touches me like that. So I'm
• 18:11
  Speaker 2: really like firmly S + + if I can.
• 18:14
  Speaker 4: Wow.
• 18:17
  Speaker 1: Your tears mean nothing to me, so that's all right.
• 18:21
  Speaker 4: Lindsay, do you want to go?
• 18:23
  Speaker 3: I can. Let me just go ahead and say that
• 18:25
  Speaker 3: 2006 was actually the year I got into Tooth & Nail.
• 18:28
  Speaker 3: I got the One Dark Summer sampler. So there are
• 18:31
  Speaker 3: a lot of albums that I like or artists that
• 18:34
  Speaker 3: I am going back to that I don't necessarily have
• 18:37
  Speaker 3: the nostalgia attached. So what Tasha... Okay, sorry. Obviously, Watashiwa
• 18:45
  Speaker 3: is one of those bands for me where I just,
• 18:46
  Speaker 3: I don't have any nostalgia for it. So I'm going
• 18:49
  Speaker 3: to say this with love because I know that they're
• 18:50
  Speaker 3: a very important band. Like, this was one where I
• 18:53
  Speaker 3: have it on my notes app, and I put that
• 18:55
  Speaker 3: this album is written by a sad 21-year-old Christian boy
• 18:58
  Speaker 3: in a chouse. This is not a bad thing. I
• 19:02
  Speaker 3: also put Sufjan stole Death with Dignity from Broken Man.
• 19:07
  Speaker 4: Like.
• 19:09
  Speaker 1: Ooh, that's a take. That's a take, Lindsay.
• 19:12
  Speaker 3: Yeah yeah i'm the only one brave enough to say
• 19:14
  Speaker 3: it um no but like it's one of those albums
• 19:18
  Speaker 3: where i listened to it and i'm like this would
• 19:20
  Speaker 3: have hit me very very very hard in 2006 whenever
• 19:24
  Speaker 3: it was released i don't know if it hits me
• 19:25
  Speaker 3: as hard now so that said i would probably put
• 19:27
  Speaker 3: it at a b.
• 19:28
  Speaker 1: Plus okay that's pretty good though.
• 19:32
  Speaker 4: Colin still be my friend after this i will that's
• 19:35
  Speaker 4: okay okay I didn't hate it. Let me just be
• 19:38
  Speaker 4: real honest. There are some albums on this that I'm
• 19:40
  Speaker 4: going to go hard at. This is not one of them.
• 19:43
  Speaker 4: I knew their first album, which I think was.
• 19:46
  Speaker 3: 2004, I think, maybe.
• 19:46
  Speaker 4: 2003 or 2004.
• 19:49
  Speaker 1: Okay.
• 19:50
  Speaker 4: Anyway, and so the song that they like re-released, like
• 19:54
  Speaker 4: the All That I Can't Keep, they like... Is that
• 19:57
  Speaker 4: what it was?
• 19:57
  Speaker 1: Such a good one.
• 19:58
  Speaker 2: Yeah.
• 19:59
  Speaker 1: Yeah, that's the one that was... I think they're single
• 20:01
  Speaker 1: because they definitely had a music video for that.
• 20:02
  Speaker 4: Yeah, yeah, yeah. But anyway, so it's a very solid album, but...
• 20:09
  Speaker 4: It was so many of the songs I think were
• 20:12
  Speaker 4: so long. I'm like, this is good. But it's felt
• 20:15
  Speaker 4: like by the end of the song, it was dragging
• 20:16
  Speaker 4: for me. And so when it hooked me originally by
• 20:19
  Speaker 4: the end of it, I was just like, okay, I'm
• 20:20
  Speaker 4: ready for like the next thing. I was super excited. uh,
• 20:24
  Speaker 4: thrown that like the first two songs are very slow,
• 20:27
  Speaker 4: very pretty, really, really beautiful guitar line, vocal melodies that
• 20:31
  Speaker 4: are actually interesting. And then all of a sudden it
• 20:34
  Speaker 4: picks up with the third song. I think that free
• 20:36
  Speaker 4: ride song, I'm like, this sounds like a popular version
• 20:37
  Speaker 4: of like quicksand or something. It was, it was very jarring.
• 20:41
  Speaker 4: And I was like, not sure how I feel about that.
• 20:43
  Speaker 4: So it was like kind of whiplash a little bit.
• 20:46
  Speaker 4: I don't know, I really liked that one a lot.
• 20:48
  Speaker 4: Then the song Courtyard gave me Dave Bazan vibes, but
• 20:51
  Speaker 4: like with more instrumentation and a fuller sound, so I
• 20:54
  Speaker 4: enjoyed that. I just feel like it was well done.
• 20:57
  Speaker 4: Like it was a well done record that wasn't the
• 21:00
  Speaker 4: genre that I was listening to much at the time
• 21:02
  Speaker 4: or now. And so that's why it's hard for me
• 21:04
  Speaker 4: to rank it super high. I think I would want
• 21:07
  Speaker 4: to revisit again, but there was too many, there were
• 21:09
  Speaker 4: too many slow songs for me to like be stoked
• 21:12
  Speaker 4: about listening to it again. So I put it at
• 21:14
  Speaker 4: C +.
• 21:16
  Speaker 2: Oof.
• 21:16
  Speaker 3: Okay.
• 21:17
  Speaker 2: We are all over the board on this one then,
• 21:18
  Speaker 2: aren't we?
• 21:19
  Speaker 3: I know. We are.
• 21:20
  Speaker 1: So we've got a C +, we got a B +,
• 21:22
  Speaker 1: we got an A for me, and then S +
• 21:26
  Speaker 1: + + + from Cullen.
• 21:29
  Speaker 2: So it's an S, I think, right?
• 21:31
  Speaker 4: Yeah, that's how that works.
• 21:33
  Speaker 1: I don't think that's how that works, Cullen. So with
• 21:37
  Speaker 1: Watashi Wa's, where, there it is. uh, we are going
• 21:41
  Speaker 1: to put it at an A tier. That feels like
• 21:44
  Speaker 1: a solid A because we've got a C plus, we
• 21:46
  Speaker 1: got an, uh, a B plus, we got an A
• 21:48
  Speaker 1: and then an S tier. I feel like that averages
• 21:50
  Speaker 1: out probably to an A, right? At least an A
• 21:53
  Speaker 1: minus maybe.
• 21:54
  Speaker 2: Close enough.
• 21:54
  Speaker 1: B plus to A minus.
• 21:55
  Speaker 4: I would say A minus.
• 21:56
  Speaker 3: Yeah.
• 21:56
  Speaker 4: So leave it in the A.
• 21:57
  Speaker 3: All right.
• 21:58
  Speaker 1: So we'll put it in the A. Uh, we'll, we'll
• 22:00
  Speaker 1: see where it goes. You know, we can always adjust
• 22:02
  Speaker 1: things if we need to adjust things, but you know,
• 22:03
  Speaker 1: we'll put in A minus here and we'll go from there.
• 22:06
  Speaker 1: So All right, so basically a week later, two weeks later,
• 22:12
  Speaker 1: we get far lesses. Everyone is out to get us.
• 22:17
  Speaker 1: And the way, Meg, that you mentioned to Cullen, hey,
• 22:19
  Speaker 1: don't hate me for this. I would imagine maybe, we'll see,
• 22:24
  Speaker 1: you all might hate me for this, but I have
• 22:27
  Speaker 1: a lot of things to say about this album. So
• 22:29
  Speaker 1: I'm excited. But I don't want to go first, so
• 22:31
  Speaker 1: somebody else go first.
• 22:34
  Speaker 4: I can go, but I just went, so I don't know.
• 22:37
  Speaker 1: You can go ahead.
• 22:38
  Speaker 4: I knew this band's name in 2006, and that was
• 22:42
  Speaker 4: quite literally it. Wow.
• 22:45
  Speaker 1: Yeah.
• 22:46
  Speaker 4: And I am mad now because this album is amazing. Like,
• 22:51
  Speaker 4: I was shocked. I'm like, I was into Showbread and, like,
• 22:56
  Speaker 4: the sassiness and the math core and the screams and
• 22:59
  Speaker 4: some of it's poppy but not too poppy and some
• 23:01
  Speaker 4: of it's so mathy it's confusing.
• 23:02
  Speaker 1: Yeah.
• 23:03
  Speaker 4: I did not expect to like this album so much.
• 23:05
  Speaker 4: I was like, okay, another random, like, you know, to
• 23:08
  Speaker 4: the nail band that was kind of like a one
• 23:09
  Speaker 4: hit wonder, I guess. But then I looked at the
• 23:11
  Speaker 4: track list and I was like, I don't really remember
• 23:12
  Speaker 4: any of these songs. I did not recognize any of
• 23:15
  Speaker 4: the songs. I was pretty much blown away. I think
• 23:18
  Speaker 4: that this is the one that might've impressed me the much, sorry,
• 23:21
  Speaker 4: the most out of all of the albums, except for
• 23:23
  Speaker 4: one other one, I'll get to later. But some of
• 23:25
  Speaker 4: the songs give me like refused vibes. Some of their
• 23:29
  Speaker 4: stuff is like so complicated, but then we'll have like
• 23:31
  Speaker 4: a catchy chorus. What was the one?
• 23:33
  Speaker 3: Okay.
• 23:34
  Speaker 4: What the song is called, I Looked at the Trap Ray.
• 23:36
  Speaker 4: Easily my favorite.
• 23:38
  Speaker 1: Oh, that's a hot take. Okay.
• 23:40
  Speaker 4: Wait, how? That song is so screamy and it also
• 23:43
  Speaker 4: has like an interesting parts to it too. I love
• 23:48
  Speaker 4: that song. It's the most screamy of the whole thing.
• 23:50
  Speaker 4: And then the song Too Pretty to Be a Zombie
• 23:52
  Speaker 4: or something, it has like almost dismemberment planned vibes where
• 23:54
  Speaker 4: like the drums are doing something totally different than the vocals.
• 23:58
  Speaker 4: I was very, very impressed. I did only give it
• 24:00
  Speaker 4: a B plus because I feel weird giving it an
• 24:01
  Speaker 4: A since it was my first listen, but I gave
• 24:04
  Speaker 4: it a B plus. I was really impressed and I'm
• 24:06
  Speaker 4: excited to listen to it again.
• 24:08
  Speaker 1: I love that. Love to hear that. Again, I don't
• 24:11
  Speaker 1: want to go at the beginning. Actually, I really would
• 24:13
  Speaker 1: love to be at the end of this.
• 24:16
  Speaker 2: Okay.
• 24:16
  Speaker 4: All right.
• 24:17
  Speaker 3: Colin?
• 24:17
  Speaker 4: Okay.
• 24:18
  Speaker 2: I would give this a B. I really like the
• 24:21
  Speaker 2: guitar work in this entire record. I feel like it
• 24:24
  Speaker 2: sweeps into so many different genres. It's very adventurous. It
• 24:27
  Speaker 2: really wants to be experimental in a lot of different ways.
• 24:33
  Speaker 2: I don't love the songwriting all that much. I didn't
• 24:35
  Speaker 2: really find anything that I was like, oh, I can
• 24:38
  Speaker 2: really resonate with that. Even when I was young, I
• 24:41
  Speaker 2: was like, this doesn't really do it for me, but
• 24:43
  Speaker 2: I do like it musically or sonically, I guess. It's
• 24:45
  Speaker 2: very nice. So yeah, I'm just going to put it
• 24:48
  Speaker 2: at a B because it's a very, very solid record,
• 24:50
  Speaker 2: but it just doesn't quite cross that finish line for
• 24:53
  Speaker 2: me to be an A or S tier.
• 24:57
  Speaker 1: Okay. Lindsay?
• 24:59
  Speaker 3: I kind of went in there with the same experience
• 25:02
  Speaker 3: as Meg, where I hadn't really listened to them very
• 25:03
  Speaker 3: much at the time, but I did really enjoy it.
• 25:07
  Speaker 3: I put that I put a standard 20, like it
• 25:10
  Speaker 3: felt very 2006 to me. And like, I thought that
• 25:13
  Speaker 3: walk between the raindrops is nice. And it felt a
• 25:16
  Speaker 3: lot like when the guy in your music class would
• 25:17
  Speaker 3: take over and the piano every day before class and
• 25:20
  Speaker 3: everybody's like, okay, this is pleasant. Like, that's just what
• 25:23
  Speaker 3: it reminded me of. And I also put brother. I
• 25:25
  Speaker 3: miss the two thousands. Why is this Christian band doing
• 25:28
  Speaker 3: space opera? So hard. It was so enjoyable. So I'm
• 25:36
  Speaker 3: going to put this at a B.
• 25:38
  Speaker 1: You're putting it at a B?
• 25:39
  Speaker 3: I'm putting it at a B.
• 25:41
  Speaker 1: Okay. Interesting. In 2006, I remember... It's so weird because
• 25:49
  Speaker 1: all of you are Tooth & Nail fans and a
• 25:51
  Speaker 1: few of you probably didn't listen to this band in 2006.
• 25:54
  Speaker 1: I was one of those few people that listened to
• 25:56
  Speaker 1: this band in 2006. I was such a weird 12-year-old.
• 26:00
  Speaker 1: I can't stress it to you enough how weird of
• 26:03
  Speaker 1: a 12-year-old I was. But I remember... religiously listening to
• 26:07
  Speaker 1: far less as a 12 year old. I had these
• 26:09
  Speaker 1: guys saved as a bookmark with their, their pure volume page.
• 26:15
  Speaker 1: I listened to these guys every day after school for
• 26:18
  Speaker 1: so long. I was so into far less to this day,
• 26:22
  Speaker 1: to this day, their EP turn to the bright is
• 26:25
  Speaker 1: one of my favorite EPs of all time. I just,
• 26:28
  Speaker 1: I think the world of this band, uh, I think
• 26:31
  Speaker 1: this is their best release that they ever put out there. Meg,
• 26:35
  Speaker 1: you already mentioned Too Pretty to Be a Zombie. I
• 26:38
  Speaker 1: think Too Pretty to Be a Zombie is maybe a
• 26:40
  Speaker 1: top 25 tooth and nail song of all time. I
• 26:44
  Speaker 1: think it's one of the best written, most amazing songs
• 26:48
  Speaker 1: of tooth and nails discography. It's so good. It's got
• 26:51
  Speaker 1: everything you would ever want in a tooth and nail discography.
• 26:55
  Speaker 1: It's chaotic. The screaming is incredible. The drumming is absolutely S-tier.
• 27:02
  Speaker 1: You get just interesting songwriting. You get weird singing. The
• 27:05
  Speaker 1: breakdown at the end is just absolutely ungodly. I still
• 27:09
  Speaker 1: remember a couple years ago, Cullen and I, we were
• 27:12
  Speaker 1: driving from Sioux Falls back to his home, which was
• 27:15
  Speaker 1: like an hour-long drive. And I remember we were driving
• 27:17
  Speaker 1: through these cornfields. And I'm trying to remember, Cullen, either
• 27:22
  Speaker 1: you hadn't listened to this song a lot or you
• 27:24
  Speaker 1: hadn't heard.
• 27:25
  Speaker 3: It at all.
• 27:26
  Speaker 2: I don't think I had heard it at all at
• 27:28
  Speaker 2: that time, yeah.
• 27:29
  Speaker 1: Yeah, and I remember listening. We were like, let's crank
• 27:32
  Speaker 1: this up. And I was like, you have to listen
• 27:34
  Speaker 1: to this, and you have to listen to the end
• 27:36
  Speaker 1: of this song. And I remember once it got to
• 27:38
  Speaker 1: that breakdown of Too Pretty to Be a Zombie, I
• 27:42
  Speaker 1: remember you at the end. We were like, we have
• 27:45
  Speaker 1: to listen to that again. You were just like, you
• 27:47
  Speaker 1: were memorized.
• 27:49
  Speaker 2: I made a goofy face because I was so... It was,
• 27:53
  Speaker 2: it was crazy.
• 27:53
  Speaker 1: It was like, it's such, it's such like with all
• 27:56
  Speaker 1: the chaoticness, like you just get this amazing breakdown at
• 27:59
  Speaker 1: the end. So anyway, just, uh, I love this album
• 28:02
  Speaker 1: so much. I, a few months ago interviewed this band, uh,
• 28:07
  Speaker 1: really about this album. And they were the kindest guys ever.
• 28:10
  Speaker 1: Like just they were like shocked, literally shocked that anybody
• 28:15
  Speaker 1: even would still listen to them. So like the way
• 28:17
  Speaker 1: that they talked about it was like we can literally
• 28:21
  Speaker 1: like months afterwards, they were still texting me like, I
• 28:24
  Speaker 1: cannot believe anybody like you would be willing to like
• 28:27
  Speaker 1: listen to our music still and say so many kind things.
• 28:30
  Speaker 1: So I just think the world of their music, I
• 28:32
  Speaker 1: think it's so good. I think they were criminally underrated
• 28:35
  Speaker 1: in the tooth and nail scene. So anyway, huge fan
• 28:37
  Speaker 1: of Far Less. With all that said, I know I
• 28:39
  Speaker 1: said a lot of things about this album. I don't
• 28:42
  Speaker 1: think it's S tier, but it's certainly a strong A
• 28:45
  Speaker 1: tier for me. So I know we've got several Bs
• 28:49
  Speaker 1: and an A tier. So I do think that probably
• 28:52
  Speaker 1: puts it.
• 28:52
  Speaker 4: I put B plus though, because like I said, the
• 28:54
  Speaker 4: only reason I didn't feel like I could put it
• 28:56
  Speaker 4: like even A minus is because it was my first listen.
• 28:59
  Speaker 2: But I don't know.
• 29:00
  Speaker 4: It's rare that I'm that into an album that fast.
• 29:04
  Speaker 1: That is true. That is true. That's fair. Uh, and
• 29:06
  Speaker 1: it probably, you know, give it a few more listens
• 29:08
  Speaker 1: and it might end up being an A tier, but
• 29:12
  Speaker 1: I do think with where we're at right now, it's
• 29:14
  Speaker 1: a B tier, but I do think we probably would
• 29:16
  Speaker 1: put it ahead of Sullivan.
• 29:18
  Speaker 3: Oh yeah.
• 29:19
  Speaker 1: Yeah. Which by the way, if you're, if you're watching
• 29:21
  Speaker 1: on YouTube, which you should, uh, we're going, so we
• 29:25
  Speaker 1: will do a thing where it's like left to right, uh,
• 29:28
  Speaker 1: left being, uh, even better than the, the, the albums
• 29:33
  Speaker 1: to the right. So if there's a, If there's an
• 29:35
  Speaker 1: album that's left on the tier of a certain tier.
• 29:40
  Speaker 1: then it is better. So to give you a little
• 29:43
  Speaker 1: context there.
• 29:44
  Speaker 2: All right.
• 29:45
  Speaker 1: We are three albums in. We got a lot more
• 29:47
  Speaker 1: to do.
• 29:48
  Speaker 3: All right.
• 29:48
  Speaker 1: So the next one is, I'm trying to look here.
• 29:52
  Speaker 2: Oh, interesting.
• 29:54
  Speaker 1: The Folds, This Too Shall Pass. uh, at the end
• 29:58
  Speaker 1: of February. Uh, what do we have to say about
• 30:00
  Speaker 1: this album?
• 30:01
  Speaker 4: I have very little to say about this album. It
• 30:04
  Speaker 4: is just like solid pop rock. I think I listened
• 30:07
  Speaker 4: to this album the least, like I had to kind
• 30:09
  Speaker 4: of skip through so you guys can have the floor more,
• 30:12
  Speaker 4: but I thought it was like pretty, just solid pop rock,
• 30:15
  Speaker 4: very listenable, nothing that stuck out to me. I put
• 30:19
  Speaker 4: it at a C, I put it at a C
• 30:22
  Speaker 4: because I felt weird putting it at a C plus,
• 30:25
  Speaker 4: which is where I put Watashiwa.
• 30:27
  Speaker 1: Oh, okay. That's fair.
• 30:29
  Speaker 3: Yeah. So I've come on the podcast before, and I, like,
• 30:34
  Speaker 3: went really hard for The Fold in the past. And
• 30:37
  Speaker 3: so I was like, okay, they are, like, fairly recent
• 30:40
  Speaker 3: listens for me, so I don't have to revisit this album.
• 30:43
  Speaker 3: And now I'm looking at all the tracks, and I
• 30:45
  Speaker 3: actually don't remember any of it. So this was my fault.
• 30:49
  Speaker 3: I tried to listen to all of them beforehand, but
• 30:52
  Speaker 3: this one I kind of got a little cocky with,
• 30:54
  Speaker 3: and as a result... Like, I just... And I was
• 30:58
  Speaker 3: just revisiting it and it's a solid album, but it's
• 31:03
  Speaker 3: a forgettable album.
• 31:05
  Speaker 4: So I would agree with that.
• 31:07
  Speaker 3: Yeah. It's like, it's, it's fun to listen to, but
• 31:11
  Speaker 3: I don't know if I'm going to put it on.
• 31:13
  Speaker 3: So I would probably put.
• 31:13
  Speaker 1: It out at sea.
• 31:16
  Speaker 2: Yeah. I, uh, I have to kind of concur as well.
• 31:19
  Speaker 2: I think it is. It's, it's fine. Um, do you know, it's,
• 31:24
  Speaker 2: it's good, but, But there's nothing that's... It's like if
• 31:30
  Speaker 2: the Foo Fighters were just a garage band, you know?
• 31:35
  Speaker 2: But I will say, production-wise, their album is probably the
• 31:38
  Speaker 2: best-sounding album of the entire list.
• 31:42
  Speaker 3: Sounds fantastic.
• 31:43
  Speaker 2: Production-wise, it is a fantastic-sounding record. But that's about as
• 31:48
  Speaker 2: good as I can say on it.
• 31:51
  Speaker 1: It is an incredibly well-produced album, which is, I think... undeniable.
• 31:57
  Speaker 1: So here's what I'll say about the fold. A couple
• 31:59
  Speaker 1: of things. One is I think you're right, Lindsay, that
• 32:02
  Speaker 1: it does feel like in sort of forgettable album. With
• 32:07
  Speaker 1: that said, I do think gravity is a really good song,
• 32:10
  Speaker 1: like a really good pop punk song. And I, if
• 32:13
  Speaker 1: I remember right, that was their single off the album.
• 32:16
  Speaker 1: Other than that, pretty forgettable. What is interesting. And maybe
• 32:21
  Speaker 1: you all know about this for those who have maybe
• 32:24
  Speaker 1: not kept up with the tooth and nail history. Well
• 32:27
  Speaker 1: after The Fold was a part of the Tooth &
• 32:29
  Speaker 1: Nail world, they became a mega famous band. Yeah. Way
• 32:35
  Speaker 1: more famous than they ever were before. Way famous. They
• 32:39
  Speaker 1: might actually be like... In terms of Spotify listens, they
• 32:43
  Speaker 1: might be one of the most former.
• 32:46
  Speaker 1: They might be one of the most popular bands, at
• 32:50
  Speaker 1: least according to Spotify, from the Tooth & Nail catalog. Because...
• 32:54
  Speaker 1: they got like some sort of deal with Lego and
• 32:57
  Speaker 1: they ended up making all this, like these soundtracks for
• 32:59
  Speaker 1: like Lego movie stuff. And they are super mega famous
• 33:04
  Speaker 1: because of that. That's hilarious. So I do find that
• 33:07
  Speaker 1: really funny. The other thing, uh, the, the Daniel Cassidy, uh,
• 33:10
  Speaker 1: he does look like one of those dudes that was
• 33:13
  Speaker 1: in one of those early two thousands movies that was
• 33:16
  Speaker 1: in like a ton of, I think it was, it
• 33:18
  Speaker 1: wasn't community, but like, what was that? Uh, What was
• 33:21
  Speaker 1: that movie that was, like, a university movie where it was, like,
• 33:26
  Speaker 1: the name of the university, like, the initials, like, stood
• 33:29
  Speaker 1: for something that was, like, kind of like an innuendo?
• 33:32
  Speaker 4: I think I know what you're talking about, but I
• 33:34
  Speaker 4: didn't watch movies like that.
• 33:36
  Speaker 1: Anyway, like, there was a guy from the early, like,
• 33:39
  Speaker 1: the mid-2000s, super famous actor, him and Daniel Cassidy.
• 33:43
  Speaker 2: You're talking about South Harman Institute of Technology. Yes.
• 33:48
  Speaker 1: Okay.
• 33:48
  Speaker 3: Shit.
• 33:51
  Speaker 1: There is an actor from Accepted that looks.
• 33:56
  Speaker 2: Justin... What's his last name? Justin Long.
• 34:00
  Speaker 3: That's it. I was thinking about him today.
• 34:03
  Speaker 1: I think him and Daniel Cassidy look so similar.
• 34:07
  Speaker 2: That's funny.
• 34:08
  Speaker 1: Let me see if I can find a photo of
• 34:10
  Speaker 1: what Daniel Cassidy looked like back then and then if
• 34:12
  Speaker 1: I can find a photo of Justin Long. But I
• 34:15
  Speaker 1: think they look very similar. I remember seeing them I
• 34:20
  Speaker 1: remember seeing Daniel Cassidy for the first time and thinking,
• 34:23
  Speaker 1: is that the guy from that movie? But at the time,
• 34:29
  Speaker 1: I thought they were... Here, let me see if I
• 34:31
  Speaker 1: can show you guys. Okay, so here's Daniel Cassidy. Okay,
• 34:37
  Speaker 1: so the guy in the red.
• 34:39
  Speaker 3: There you go.
• 34:39
  Speaker 4: Oh my gosh.
• 34:40
  Speaker 1: Okay, and then I don't know if you... Can you
• 34:42
  Speaker 1: all see.
• 34:43
  Speaker 3: He actually does look like a Lego. Does that work?
• 34:47
  Speaker 1: He does. He does. And then here's Justin Long. And
• 34:51
  Speaker 1: this is like current day Justin Long. I can't even imagine.
• 34:54
  Speaker 4: You're right. If he had the swoopy styled hair, they
• 34:57
  Speaker 4: would look like twins.
• 34:58
  Speaker 1: Which like when he probably did in the mid-2000s, they
• 35:02
  Speaker 1: looked exactly like, I thought.
• 35:04
  Speaker 4: So what was everyone's rankings? Did everyone say C?
• 35:09
  Speaker 1: I said C, right? Yep.
• 35:12
  Speaker 4: I think quite literally everyone did.
• 35:15
  Speaker 1: So let's, here, let me do this. All right, so
• 35:20
  Speaker 1: we've got This Too Shall Pass. I think we got
• 35:24
  Speaker 1: our first C then. I feel like it's a solid C.
• 35:27
  Speaker 1: I think the production really actually puts it kind of
• 35:30
  Speaker 1: over the top where it's like this is a really
• 35:32
  Speaker 1: good C. The songs are like, it's just like typical
• 35:35
  Speaker 1: pop punk and that's kind of all it is.
• 35:38
  Speaker 4: I wrote very catchy but also meh were my exact words.
• 35:43
  Speaker 1: That's fair. That's about it. All right, so we've got
• 35:46
  Speaker 1: the fold. We're moving along. The next one, I'm actually
• 35:52
  Speaker 1: super interested to hear what you think about this one.
• 35:55
  Speaker 1: The Lonely Hearts Paper Tapes. Paper Tapes. So, The Lonely
• 36:02
  Speaker 1: Hearts Paper Tapes.
• 36:03
  Speaker 2: I actually really liked this record. In 2006? I had
• 36:11
  Speaker 2: never heard of it until this year, to be honest. Really?
• 36:15
  Speaker 2: First time I'd ever heard it. However... It was way
• 36:18
  Speaker 2: too samey every single song. If you were to skip
• 36:23
  Speaker 2: forward halfway through the song, the exact same drum beat,
• 36:25
  Speaker 2: exact same guitar hook, exact same bass line, everything. So
• 36:29
  Speaker 2: it's like they have like really good basis of songs,
• 36:32
  Speaker 2: but they didn't add enough extra to them to make them,
• 36:39
  Speaker 2: you know, get over that edge that they needed to
• 36:42
  Speaker 2: get over. I'm going to put it at D.
• 36:47
  Speaker 1: Okay.
• 36:47
  Speaker 2: All right.
• 36:49
  Speaker 4: I could not agree more with even just that small snapshot.
• 36:55
  Speaker 4: This band used to be Holland. This was the band Holland,
• 36:59
  Speaker 4: which I didn't know until I started listening to it.
• 37:02
  Speaker 4: I was like, his voice sounds familiar. Also, I think
• 37:04
  Speaker 4: his voice sounds familiar because he sounds like a weird
• 37:07
  Speaker 4: mashup of the guy from Keen and Snow Patrol and
• 37:10
  Speaker 4: The Fray all at once.
• 37:12
  Speaker 1: Yeah, that's a good point.
• 37:13
  Speaker 3: That's my favorite genre.
• 37:14
  Speaker 4: Yeah, mom rock.
• 37:17
  Speaker 3: I love it.
• 37:18
  Speaker 4: I'm not even kidding you. You know, like, obviously, I
• 37:21
  Speaker 4: think the four of us would completely disagree about this
• 37:23
  Speaker 4: take that, like, oh, Christian music is just secular music
• 37:26
  Speaker 4: plus Jesus, but worse. We would not agree with that take.
• 37:29
  Speaker 4: This band makes that take sound true because it sounds
• 37:33
  Speaker 4: like that 2000s generic emotional pop mom rock, but worse.
• 37:38
  Speaker 4: There are some decent songs, but, like, it's, like... They
• 37:43
  Speaker 4: hop around between genres. Like there's a song that sounds
• 37:45
  Speaker 4: like a bad Counting Crows song, which is saying something
• 37:47
  Speaker 4: because Counting Crows is not good. And like... It was just...
• 37:55
  Speaker 4: What did I say? Oh, Colin, I wrote verbatim. Every
• 37:58
  Speaker 4: song was incredibly forgettable. That's what I wrote. The best
• 38:02
  Speaker 4: song on it, in my opinion, is a song called
• 38:04
  Speaker 4: Good Intentions. It's the most listenable. It sounds like the
• 38:07
  Speaker 4: Gin Blossoms and not in a bad way. So that's it.
• 38:09
  Speaker 4: I gave it a D +.
• 38:11
  Speaker 1: So I actually... I didn't, I'll be honest, did not
• 38:15
  Speaker 1: listen to this album at all in 2006. Had no idea.
• 38:18
  Speaker 1: I mean, I knew who the Lonely Hearts were and
• 38:20
  Speaker 1: I knew who Holland was. Did not listen to it.
• 38:22
  Speaker 1: But listening back to it now, I think it's like
• 38:25
  Speaker 1: not that bad. And I would put it at like
• 38:28
  Speaker 1: a C.
• 38:28
  Speaker 3: I put occasionally it would come on bands that were
• 38:30
  Speaker 3: slept on and think, wow, what a travesty. This isn't
• 38:33
  Speaker 3: one of them. It really wants to be British pop.
• 38:38
  Speaker 3: The song like Weary Eyes... makes a bold choice where
• 38:41
  Speaker 3: it keeps repeating. All you need is love, which I
• 38:44
  Speaker 3: know because we have a song that says all you
• 38:48
  Speaker 3: need is love. And it's actually a pretty big song.
• 38:53
  Speaker 2: I'm pretty sure another band already did that.
• 38:57
  Speaker 3: It reminds me of dancing with the stars this past
• 38:59
  Speaker 3: week where they like had like.
• 39:01
  Speaker 2: Oh, me too. I thought that as well.
• 39:04
  Speaker 3: I don't care. I don't care. You can make fun
• 39:05
  Speaker 3: of me all you want. I'm going to dance with
• 39:07
  Speaker 3: the stars. Everything's dystopian, so I'm going to watch stars dance. Anyway,
• 39:10
  Speaker 3: there were like two people. There was like a professional
• 39:15
  Speaker 3: dancer and an amateur dancer dancing together, and they got
• 39:19
  Speaker 3: kicked off. And it's because that's a bold choice to
• 39:22
  Speaker 3: go against a professional who has been doing this for
• 39:25
  Speaker 3: years and do everything in sync. And so to keep
• 39:28
  Speaker 3: repeating all you need is love.
• 39:29
  Speaker 1: All you need is love.
• 39:30
  Speaker 3: Yes. That was crazy to me. That was a crazy moment.
• 39:34
  Speaker 3: Put that to death if he has a line. Do
• 39:35
  Speaker 3: you ever want to drive on and not tell anyone
• 39:37
  Speaker 3: where you've been? And I felt that. How do you
• 39:44
  Speaker 3: rank it, Lindsay? D. It's a solid D.
• 39:49
  Speaker 2: I think it's a D or C. It's a D tier.
• 39:51
  Speaker 3: Oh, D.
• 39:52
  Speaker 4: Sorry, Mason.
• 39:54
  Speaker 3: Yeah.
• 39:54
  Speaker 1: Okay. So we're putting it in the D tier. So let's...
• 39:59
  Speaker 1: It's our first D tier. It is our first D tier. Wait,
• 40:02
  Speaker 1: I thought I had an F tier on here. I
• 40:05
  Speaker 1: need to maybe add that. I'm going to have one
• 40:07
  Speaker 1: for the F tier later on. So our next one
• 40:10
  Speaker 1: is Smile, It's the End of the World by Hawk Nelson.
• 40:15
  Speaker 1: By Hawk Nelson. So what do we think about this album?
• 40:18
  Speaker 4: It breaks my heart. It breaks my heart. It's so
• 40:23
  Speaker 4: sad compared to their first album. Their first album is
• 40:28
  Speaker 4: much better. Right, Colin?
• 40:29
  Speaker 1: You agree? I agree.
• 40:30
  Speaker 3: I agree.
• 40:32
  Speaker 2: It just becomes pop slop at this point. And I
• 40:35
  Speaker 2: got really annoyed by it. Even in 2006, I was like,
• 40:38
  Speaker 2: I am just really frustrated that this is what it
• 40:42
  Speaker 2: is right now. I'm going to put it very low C, unfortunately.
• 40:48
  Speaker 4: I put it a C minus two.
• 40:49
  Speaker 2: I'm glad we're in conferencing.
• 40:54
  Speaker 4: I mean, I have a lot more. I basically think
• 40:55
  Speaker 4: that Colin and I are totally on track with that.
• 40:57
  Speaker 4: I really, really enjoyed their first album. Not as much
• 41:00
  Speaker 4: as like Reliant K or even some other like pop punk.
• 41:03
  Speaker 4: I can't think of which bands right now, but it
• 41:06
  Speaker 4: was listenable. It was like one of the only things
• 41:08
  Speaker 4: my sister and I agreed to listening in the car
• 41:10
  Speaker 4: on the way to school. So it was my senior year.
• 41:13
  Speaker 4: of high school, like I said. The first track, I
• 41:18
  Speaker 4: remember it, Solid Message Catchy has a very Green Day ending,
• 41:21
  Speaker 4: but there's so many. I remember the song Bring Them Out.
• 41:23
  Speaker 4: It was for a movie, and I'm like, what the
• 41:25
  Speaker 4: hell is this?
• 41:28
  Speaker 2: I actually think that's what they were trying to do.
• 41:30
  Speaker 2: I think they were trying to get on as many
• 41:31
  Speaker 2: TV shows. They were trying to get on One Tree Hill,
• 41:34
  Speaker 2: and they were trying to get on whatever was on
• 41:37
  Speaker 2: the CW at the time. They were like, let's just
• 41:39
  Speaker 2: get on as many of these CW TV shows as
• 41:42
  Speaker 2: we possibly can.
• 41:43
  Speaker 3: The movie that they were on, it was like, Cheaper
• 41:46
  Speaker 3: by the dozen, but not. Like, it was so funny
• 41:49
  Speaker 3: that it wasn't even, like.
• 41:50
  Speaker 2: Wasn't the one with, like, Dennis Quaid or whatever?
• 41:52
  Speaker 1: Yeah, it was like.
• 41:53
  Speaker 3: Dennis Quaid and Drake Bell.
• 41:55
  Speaker 4: Yeah, it was so dumb. Yeah, and, like, on Air One,
• 41:58
  Speaker 4: they played Everything You Ever Wanted, which is this slow song.
• 42:00
  Speaker 4: I think it played at one of our school dances
• 42:02
  Speaker 4: for some reason.
• 42:03
  Speaker 3: No way.
• 42:04
  Speaker 4: I went to a Christian high school, so.
• 42:07
  Speaker 2: So it was, like, that and... But.
• 42:10
  Speaker 4: It was that popular on, like, Air One. Like, I just...
• 42:13
  Speaker 4: It was... It was so frustrating because I remember their song,
• 42:17
  Speaker 4: like their first album was called Letters to the President.
• 42:19
  Speaker 4: And that first, and that title track was like, there was,
• 42:22
  Speaker 4: there was still some poppy stuff. Like California was a
• 42:24
  Speaker 4: song for their first album. It was very cheesy, but
• 42:26
  Speaker 4: at least there was some really good, like faster, harder
• 42:29
  Speaker 4: pop punk songs strewn about it. And this one, I
• 42:32
  Speaker 4: kept hoping and looking for something and it just didn't happen.
• 42:36
  Speaker 4: I think the only song on that album that I
• 42:38
  Speaker 4: really liked is called Is Forever Enough. The chorus is
• 42:41
  Speaker 4: a bit too poppy, but the verses are really solid.
• 42:43
  Speaker 4: everything else is just like, I just was waiting for
• 42:46
  Speaker 4: it to be actually good and it just didn't happen.
• 42:48
  Speaker 1: Yeah.
• 42:51
  Speaker 4: That's my take. C minus.
• 42:52
  Speaker 2: I agree 100%. Okay.
• 42:53
  Speaker 1: Yeah. I mean, I would probably put it at a
• 42:56
  Speaker 1: C as well. Uh, there certainly are some Hawk Nelson
• 43:00
  Speaker 1: songs that I really enjoy about it. Uh, and then
• 43:03
  Speaker 1: there's some that feel pretty forgettable, but, uh, yeah, to
• 43:08
  Speaker 1: me it's just like, sounds fine. And that's about it.
• 43:10
  Speaker 1: Like that's, That's kind of how I think about it.
• 43:14
  Speaker 1: So any other thoughts about Smile? It's the End of
• 43:17
  Speaker 1: the World? I do actually really enjoy the name of
• 43:20
  Speaker 1: the album. I think it's kind of a cool name,
• 43:22
  Speaker 1: especially for a pop punk album.
• 43:24
  Speaker 4: Lindsay, what about you?
• 43:26
  Speaker 3: Nostalgia is the main driver for me with this one.
• 43:29
  Speaker 3: It's fun to go back and listen to, but it
• 43:33
  Speaker 3: was kind of one where... you weren't really proud to
• 43:37
  Speaker 3: tell people you're listening to it. Like I got a
• 43:42
  Speaker 3: kazoo from this show and I played it at a
• 43:44
  Speaker 3: youth camp. And later on, like I wound up dating
• 43:46
  Speaker 3: a guy who was at that youth camp and I
• 43:48
  Speaker 3: told him I had a Hawk Nelson kazoo. And he's like, Oh,
• 43:51
  Speaker 3: that's like actually written the experience. And I'm like, he
• 43:56
  Speaker 3: found out that the kazoo is Hawk Nelson branded, but like, I,
• 44:01
  Speaker 3: so good. Yeah, but, like, I mean, it's fun, but
• 44:05
  Speaker 3: it's also a very solid, like, C minus D, I think.
• 44:09
  Speaker 4: I put C minus.
• 44:11
  Speaker 1: C minus? I would probably put C minus. Okay, so
• 44:14
  Speaker 1: we'll put it on, let's put it C, but we'll
• 44:17
  Speaker 1: put it, like, lowest C and we'll go from there.
• 44:20
  Speaker 2: It's got to stay there, yeah.
• 44:22
  Speaker 1: So let me share my screen here. So we're putting
• 44:26
  Speaker 1: Hawk Nelson, C minus. There might be some other Cs
• 44:29
  Speaker 1: at some point, but this is our list so far.
• 44:32
  Speaker 4: Okay.
• 44:33
  Speaker 1: Not too bad. No S tiers, one A tier.
• 44:35
  Speaker 4: Not yet.
• 44:36
  Speaker 1: Couple B, couple Cs, one D. We've got some more.
• 44:40
  Speaker 1: All right, so next one, very similar. Run Kid Runs,
• 44:44
  Speaker 1: This Is Who We Are, released on May 16th of 2006.
• 44:48
  Speaker 1: What do we think about Run Kid Runs?
• 44:52
  Speaker 2: I could never figure out why so many of my
• 44:55
  Speaker 2: friends and people that I knew loved this band so much.
• 45:00
  Speaker 2: Maybe it's like one of those bands, Mason and Lindsay
• 45:03
  Speaker 2: and Meg, where on paper you should like them, but
• 45:08
  Speaker 2: I just didn't. I don't know. But I just didn't
• 45:11
  Speaker 2: find anything about them all that appealing, and I still
• 45:15
  Speaker 2: don't going back and listening 20 years later. That's all
• 45:19
  Speaker 2: I got to say about it. So I'm going to
• 45:20
  Speaker 2: say low C.
• 45:23
  Speaker 1: Oh, low C even. I was... I did find We've
• 45:30
  Speaker 1: Only Just Begun to be a pretty catchy song. Other
• 45:33
  Speaker 1: than that, I feel like everything, not even just this album,
• 45:36
  Speaker 1: but everything else they did was pretty forgettable. So because
• 45:41
  Speaker 1: of that, I'm putting it at... If we're putting Hawk
• 45:44
  Speaker 1: Nelson at a C tier, I think that this probably
• 45:48
  Speaker 1: should be a D tier.
• 45:52
  Speaker 3: Wow.
• 45:52
  Speaker 4: I super disagree. Wow. And I think here's why. I.
• 45:58
  Speaker 4: Like I said, I loved Hawk Nelson's first album. And so,
• 46:01
  Speaker 4: you know, if I'm listening to pop punk, I'm thinking
• 46:03
  Speaker 4: New Found Glory, Blink, Reliant K. Like a lot of
• 46:07
  Speaker 4: those albums got progressively better. Those bands got progressively better.
• 46:10
  Speaker 4: Hawk Nelson got progressively worse. Still to this day, it
• 46:13
  Speaker 4: got progressively worse. And now it's just completely slop. But
• 46:16
  Speaker 4: Run Kid Run, I think I heard maybe one or
• 46:19
  Speaker 4: two songs and maybe I just, I don't know why
• 46:22
  Speaker 4: it didn't hit me, but then I listened to it.
• 46:25
  Speaker 4: I think it was in comparison to Hawk Nelson and
• 46:28
  Speaker 4: another pop punk album on this list that we will
• 46:32
  Speaker 4: talk about later and I am very mad about. This
• 46:34
  Speaker 4: was so much better. It just sounded like Christian Fall
• 46:37
  Speaker 4: Out Boy. Not as good as Fall Out Boy, but
• 46:39
  Speaker 4: close enough. And I think I just wish I listened
• 46:42
  Speaker 4: to it earlier because I think I would have liked
• 46:43
  Speaker 4: it a lot. This album impressed me the most besides,
• 46:48
  Speaker 4: oh my gosh, what's that band? Not The Fold. That
• 46:50
  Speaker 4: one that I was like, oh, I don't know this
• 46:52
  Speaker 4: album very well that Mason loves.
• 46:55
  Speaker 1: What is it called? Oh, Far Less?
• 46:56
  Speaker 4: Far Less.
• 46:57
  Speaker 3: Yeah.
• 46:57
  Speaker 4: I was really shocked at how much I liked this
• 47:01
  Speaker 4: album with the run kid run one, because I don't
• 47:03
  Speaker 4: really like poppy pop punk, but it was so solid.
• 47:06
  Speaker 4: Like the first half of the album, there wasn't a
• 47:07
  Speaker 4: song I didn't like. And so I think I'm so,
• 47:10
  Speaker 4: I was really jaded by the neon pop punk. And
• 47:12
  Speaker 4: this was like right in that line of like right
• 47:14
  Speaker 4: before neon pop punk, but like kind of around the
• 47:16
  Speaker 4: time of cartels who I loved at that time. Um,
• 47:20
  Speaker 4: I don't know. There was only a couple songs that
• 47:22
  Speaker 4: I wasn't as into, but overall it was so good,
• 47:24
  Speaker 4: and I'm just sad I didn't listen to it earlier.
• 47:26
  Speaker 4: And even the very last obligatory Jesus song was pretty
• 47:30
  Speaker 4: dang good to me. Maybe if I listen to it again,
• 47:32
  Speaker 4: I wouldn't be as into it, but I think maybe
• 47:34
  Speaker 4: compared to Hawk Nelson and the other one, I was
• 47:37
  Speaker 4: pretty impressed. I put it at a B.
• 47:39
  Speaker 2: I like that you brought up the cartel because I
• 47:42
  Speaker 2: think this is a band that if you like the cartel,
• 47:45
  Speaker 2: you probably like this band. And cartel is another one
• 47:48
  Speaker 2: of those bands that I'm like, I don't get it.
• 47:50
  Speaker 2: I don't understand what the appeal is. So maybe that's
• 47:53
  Speaker 2: kind of like the kind of vein that it's running.
• 47:57
  Speaker 4: In, you know?
• 47:58
  Speaker 3: Maybe. Can I just say that calling them the cartel
• 48:02
  Speaker 3: is so funny.
• 48:04
  Speaker 1: Yeah, okay.
• 48:05
  Speaker 2: Well, you know, I think it is a little bit
• 48:07
  Speaker 2: of a, you know.
• 48:09
  Speaker 1: Did you look them up on the Google?
• 48:12
  Speaker 2: I looked it up on the interwebs, which is on
• 48:14
  Speaker 2: the Google.
• 48:15
  Speaker 3: Imagine telling your mom you're going to go listen to
• 48:17
  Speaker 3: the cartel. Yeah.
• 48:20
  Speaker 4: Do you guys not hear, like, Fall Out Boy vocals
• 48:23
  Speaker 4: in these songs?
• 48:24
  Speaker 3: Oh, yeah, for sure.
• 48:25
  Speaker 4: It's crazy to me.
• 48:28
  Speaker 1: One of the other things maybe worth noting about them
• 48:31
  Speaker 1: just contextually is... Okay, so this was the debut album
• 48:34
  Speaker 1: for them on Tooth & Nail. I'm looking through just
• 48:38
  Speaker 1: like kind of the Tooth & Nail discography right now.
• 48:42
  Speaker 1: For a debut album for a pop punk band, it
• 48:45
  Speaker 1: might be the last debut album on Tooth & Nail
• 48:49
  Speaker 1: from a pop punk band.
• 48:50
  Speaker 4: Wow.
• 48:51
  Speaker 1: The other pop punk albums that come out after, and
• 48:54
  Speaker 1: there are just only a few... there's there they are
• 48:57
  Speaker 1: all like established bands hawk nelson mxpx um i think
• 49:01
  Speaker 1: there's i think there was another fold album but that's
• 49:04
  Speaker 1: it it like for a debuted album on tooth and
• 49:07
  Speaker 1: nail from a pop punk band this is it 2006
• 49:09
  Speaker 1: that was the last one which when you think back
• 49:12
  Speaker 1: to like that music like when did pop punk kind
• 49:15
  Speaker 1: of like die out like it was kind of starting
• 49:17
  Speaker 1: to become at this time it feels like one of
• 49:20
  Speaker 1: those bands where they just like, they were too late.
• 49:24
  Speaker 1: They were just too late.
• 49:25
  Speaker 4: I think you were spot on. I didn't even make
• 49:27
  Speaker 4: that note, but you are totally right because that's when
• 49:29
  Speaker 4: neon pop punk started to take off like 2007 to 2010.
• 49:31
  Speaker 4: And it was just, Too poppy. Like way too cheesy.
• 49:35
  Speaker 4: And I was like, ugh, gross. Like all that stuff.
• 49:37
  Speaker 4: And then there was no good pop.
• 49:39
  Speaker 3: It gives me the ick.
• 49:40
  Speaker 1: It did.
• 49:41
  Speaker 4: It did. And then there was no good pop punk
• 49:43
  Speaker 4: in my like old millennial opinion until the story so
• 49:46
  Speaker 4: far came out. And then we resurrected.
• 49:49
  Speaker 3: Exactly.
• 49:50
  Speaker 4: Not Christian.
• 49:52
  Speaker 1: So, all right. Did we all, Lindsay, you gave.
• 49:54
  Speaker 3: No, I'm just perpetually forgotten. Yeah.
• 49:57
  Speaker 2: Mason, what the hell is your deal tonight? You've like
• 50:00
  Speaker 2: done this three times.
• 50:01
  Speaker 3: Ask people on to your good Christian podcast and then
• 50:04
  Speaker 3: just completely forget about them. No, it's fine. I, I'm
• 50:09
  Speaker 3: just kind of, I land where you guys all are.
• 50:11
  Speaker 3: Like mostly I, like they were, they were fine to me.
• 50:13
  Speaker 3: I liked them a lot at the time, but like
• 50:16
  Speaker 3: really we've only just begun. Like I think that what
• 50:18
  Speaker 3: would happen is I would put on that CD and
• 50:21
  Speaker 3: then I would play that song and then I would
• 50:22
  Speaker 3: play that song and then I would play that song
• 50:24
  Speaker 3: and then I'd be done with the CD. So like
• 50:26
  Speaker 3: they were a solid C band for me.
• 50:29
  Speaker 2: I love the way you would like go through that.
• 50:32
  Speaker 2: That was great.
• 50:33
  Speaker 4: So Lindsay, you said C.
• 50:36
  Speaker 3: Yeah. They kind of have, like, the Forever the Sickest
• 50:38
  Speaker 3: Kids sort of vibe, where it's like, I'm only going
• 50:40
  Speaker 3: to listen to the first three songs on this, and
• 50:42
  Speaker 3: then I'm going to be done for a day.
• 50:43
  Speaker 1: And then be done, yeah. That's fair. Yeah, it felt
• 50:46
  Speaker 1: very top-heavy of an album.
• 50:48
  Speaker 4: I agree with that. I put it at a B, though.
• 50:51
  Speaker 4: I think I was the only one that did that.
• 50:53
  Speaker 1: Okay, so we got B. Cullen, what did you put
• 50:55
  Speaker 1: them at? A C.
• 50:57
  Speaker 3: A C.
• 50:59
  Speaker 1: Lindsay, you said C, right?
• 50:59
  Speaker 2: A low C, a low C.
• 51:00
  Speaker 3: Yeah.
• 51:02
  Speaker 1: And then I'm putting him at a D, so I
• 51:03
  Speaker 1: think that probably puts him at the lowest C, maybe?
• 51:06
  Speaker 1: Does that sound right?
• 51:08
  Speaker 4: Lower than Hawk Nelson?
• 51:10
  Speaker 3: Yeah, I would put him above that, Hawk Nelson, personally.
• 51:13
  Speaker 1: Cullen, how do you feel about that?
• 51:16
  Speaker 2: Definitely, I would put him above Hawk Nelson, personally.
• 51:20
  Speaker 4: There we go.
• 51:21
  Speaker 1: Yeah.
• 51:21
  Speaker 4: Agreed.
• 51:22
  Speaker 2: Okay. All right.
• 51:24
  Speaker 1: I don't really care either way, as long as it's C. Okay.
• 51:27
  Speaker 4: All right.
• 51:28
  Speaker 1: Let's move on to the Classic Crimes... Albatross.
• 51:34
  Speaker 3: This was a big.
• 51:35
  Speaker 1: One for me. Let Lindsay go first. I'm actually really
• 51:38
  Speaker 1: curious about this one.
• 51:39
  Speaker 2: Yeah, Lindsay, you go first. I'm going to go first.
• 51:42
  Speaker 3: This was a really important one for me. This was
• 51:44
  Speaker 3: kind of a weird one because this was the first
• 51:47
  Speaker 3: time that I realized that emo kids could listen to
• 51:50
  Speaker 3: Christian music and not actually be Christians because there was
• 51:53
  Speaker 3: somebody in my school wearing a classic crime shirt. I'm like,
• 51:55
  Speaker 3: wait a second.
• 51:57
  Speaker 1: Why are you appropriating my culture?
• 51:59
  Speaker 3: Yeah, exactly. I know you smoke pot.
• 52:03
  Speaker 4: Anyway.
• 52:05
  Speaker 3: Yeah. So this one, I loved this one so much.
• 52:08
  Speaker 3: I still love this one to this day. I'll still
• 52:09
  Speaker 3: occasionally put it on. It's like the high points I
• 52:13
  Speaker 3: feel like are really, really high. There's only one song
• 52:16
  Speaker 3: on here I do not like. And I think that
• 52:18
  Speaker 3: Warrior Poet is the dumbest song in the world. I
• 52:21
  Speaker 3: hate that one so much. Like, I don't know what
• 52:24
  Speaker 3: it is, but it just, it feels like somebody took
• 52:27
  Speaker 3: a bunch of testosterone and then had to like write
• 52:30
  Speaker 3: a really meaningful song. And then they got that one
• 52:33
  Speaker 3: and it just kind of drives me crazy. I don't
• 52:35
  Speaker 3: know why, but I would probably put this one, honestly,
• 52:38
  Speaker 3: at an eight tier.
• 52:40
  Speaker 1: Oh, an eight tier.
• 52:41
  Speaker 3: Okay.
• 52:41
  Speaker 2: I like that.
• 52:42
  Speaker 3: Yeah.
• 52:43
  Speaker 2: Interesting. I think Matt McDonald's a really good vocalist and
• 52:49
  Speaker 2: decent songwriter and And I think that's basically where this
• 52:53
  Speaker 2: ends for me. I think this is a very like
• 52:55
  Speaker 2: well put together album and everything like that.
• 52:57
  Speaker 4: I put it at a minus. I saw them play
• 53:00
  Speaker 4: through this album earlier this year in February with two
• 53:04
  Speaker 4: of my friends because they were opening for As Cities
• 53:07
  Speaker 4: Burn and Emery.
• 53:10
  Speaker 1: Oh, okay.
• 53:10
  Speaker 4: Yeah, it was good. They were good. But the guy
• 53:12
  Speaker 4: was a little bit like they were opening. It was them,
• 53:16
  Speaker 4: then As Cities Burn, and then Emery. But the front
• 53:18
  Speaker 4: man acted like everyone was there to see them. And
• 53:21
  Speaker 4: so he was like, sing along, sing along. And it's
• 53:23
  Speaker 4: just like, I only know like this one song, sorry.
• 53:25
  Speaker 4: Like it's kind of like that. So it was, it's
• 53:28
  Speaker 4: an iconic album. I didn't like it as much as
• 53:30
  Speaker 4: everyone else seemed to, but it's still pretty solid, especially
• 53:33
  Speaker 4: compared to a lot of the other albums from this
• 53:35
  Speaker 4: year of bands that I was like nominally familiar with.
• 53:37
  Speaker 4: The opening track I think is incredible. I actually think
• 53:40
  Speaker 4: on the second listen, it's better than their biggest song,
• 53:42
  Speaker 4: which is the coldest heart. And that's one that everyone knows.
• 53:45
  Speaker 4: When I saw them live, he had a very hard
• 53:49
  Speaker 4: time hitting those notes because Which was a bummer, because
• 53:52
  Speaker 4: on the re-listen, I'm like, he just sounds like Brennan Urie. Like,
• 53:56
  Speaker 4: half the time. He sounds... If you listen to it
• 53:59
  Speaker 4: with panic in your brain, his vocal melodies, his vocal inflections,
• 54:03
  Speaker 4: he just sounds like Brennan Urie. Which is not a
• 54:05
  Speaker 4: bad thing. Very solid album. I actually like the beginning
• 54:08
  Speaker 4: of Warrior Poet, because it's all heavy and stuff, and
• 54:11
  Speaker 4: then it kind of loses me. But yeah, I just...
• 54:14
  Speaker 4: I think it's really solid. I gave it an A-.
• 54:17
  Speaker 4: I need to listen to it again. This is one
• 54:19
  Speaker 4: that I actually do want to listen to again. I
• 54:20
  Speaker 4: enjoyed it live. It was clear that he was trolling
• 54:22
  Speaker 4: with the high notes. But yeah, I know people love
• 54:24
  Speaker 4: this album. I know it's a classic.
• 54:26
  Speaker 2: I gave it A-. It's a classic and it's a crime.
• 54:30
  Speaker 2: I'm going to put it at B. I don't think
• 54:31
  Speaker 2: I actually gave my.
• 54:34
  Speaker 4: I set you up so good.
• 54:36
  Speaker 3: You did.
• 54:37
  Speaker 2: You did. It was great. I don't think I gave
• 54:40
  Speaker 2: my grade, so I'll put it at B.
• 54:41
  Speaker 1: Lindsay, you said A, right?
• 54:43
  Speaker 3: I did.
• 54:44
  Speaker 1: OK, so the only thing I'll say about this album. Yeah,
• 54:48
  Speaker 1: I just remember this album coming out and remember thinking like,
• 54:52
  Speaker 1: you know, this is really good. I do remember at
• 54:54
  Speaker 1: that time feeling like this is one of the better
• 54:56
  Speaker 1: debuted albums from from Tooth & Nail, at least from
• 54:59
  Speaker 1: what I knew at that time about Tooth & Nail.
• 55:02
  Speaker 1: So I did I did feel like that was kind
• 55:04
  Speaker 1: of the case. But yeah, for the most part, I
• 55:06
  Speaker 1: thought it was really good. There's a few songs that
• 55:08
  Speaker 1: I really enjoyed still and I still listen to pretty
• 55:10
  Speaker 1: frequently to this day. But other than that, I think
• 55:13
  Speaker 1: some of the rest of it is pretty unforgettable. Or sorry, unforgettable.
• 55:17
  Speaker 1: It is pretty forgettable. And then there's certainly some other
• 55:20
  Speaker 1: songs from the rest of their discography that I really enjoy.
• 55:23
  Speaker 1: But this album specifically, just like a few songs that
• 55:26
  Speaker 1: I really enjoy. And because of that, I give it
• 55:29
  Speaker 1: a B. I feel like it's a good album, but
• 55:32
  Speaker 1: not great. All right, so I give it a B.
• 55:35
  Speaker 1: We got two A's, right? And then Meg, what did
• 55:38
  Speaker 1: you say you gave it?
• 55:41
  Speaker 4: A minus.
• 55:42
  Speaker 1: An A minus. So I guess that puts us in
• 55:44
  Speaker 1: an A because we've got three A's.
• 55:47
  Speaker 3: Wait, Cullen, were you a B?
• 55:50
  Speaker 1: Oh, okay. Cullen's a B. So I'll say B minus,
• 55:53
  Speaker 1: B minus, and then we got two A's. Let's say
• 55:56
  Speaker 1: strong B plus.
• 55:57
  Speaker 4: Yeah.
• 55:57
  Speaker 1: Does that sound fair?
• 55:59
  Speaker 2: Sounds right. All right.
• 56:00
  Speaker 1: So let me share my screen here. And then we've
• 56:04
  Speaker 1: got Albatross... Do we think it's better? I would not
• 56:09
  Speaker 1: put it better than everyone else.
• 56:10
  Speaker 2: No, not better than Far Less.
• 56:12
  Speaker 1: Oh, hell no. Definitely not.
• 56:13
  Speaker 3: Okay, all right.
• 56:14
  Speaker 1: So Far Less almost could be damn near an A-,
• 56:17
  Speaker 1: but all right, we'll put it.
• 56:18
  Speaker 2: Keep pushing for it, Mason. Yeah, keep pushing for it.
• 56:21
  Speaker 1: I'll do my best. I'm up to it. All right.
• 56:23
  Speaker 2: Yeah, same.
• 56:24
  Speaker 1: Next one is, I'm trying to look at the fairs,
• 56:29
  Speaker 1: the best worst case scenario. Uh, very curious what you
• 56:33
  Speaker 1: all think about this one as well. I'll go whenever,
• 56:36
  Speaker 1: but I'm, I think I know what Colin's going to say.
• 56:38
  Speaker 2: I love Aaron Sprinkle. Sprinkle's the best.
• 56:42
  Speaker 1: Say more.
• 56:44
  Speaker 2: That it's, it's, it's very well produced. It's very well written. Uh,
• 56:48
  Speaker 2: it's a pretty damn good record. Is there anything that
• 56:51
  Speaker 2: is going to like completely wow you? No, but it
• 56:54
  Speaker 2: definitely takes, as Mason said earlier, it takes its lunch
• 56:57
  Speaker 2: pail to work and it does its job and I
• 57:00
  Speaker 2: appreciate it. for that. But I don't think I can
• 57:04
  Speaker 2: give it better than a C.
• 57:07
  Speaker 1: Oh, okay.
• 57:08
  Speaker 4: That's what I gave it. Perfect.
• 57:10
  Speaker 2: Good deal.
• 57:12
  Speaker 4: You said a lot nicer things about it than I did, though.
• 57:15
  Speaker 3: Really?
• 57:17
  Speaker 1: Wow.
• 57:18
  Speaker 4: It's so... mostly forgettable. It's an Aaron Sprinkle band. So
• 57:23
  Speaker 4: I was like, oh, it's going to be awesome because
• 57:24
  Speaker 4: he's an incredible producer, blah, blah, blah. And I think
• 57:27
  Speaker 4: what I learned is that maybe producers shouldn't be front
• 57:30
  Speaker 4: men of bands because it was just so... I think
• 57:34
  Speaker 4: I had too high of expectations when I learned that
• 57:36
  Speaker 4: it was an Aaron Sprinkle band.
• 57:38
  Speaker 1: It is.
• 57:39
  Speaker 4: underwhelming. Nothing was bad. Nothing was great. Nothing stuck out
• 57:43
  Speaker 4: to me. I listened to it, like, I listened to
• 57:46
  Speaker 4: it almost twice. Some of it while grading, which is
• 57:48
  Speaker 4: very hard to do, but that's how much it was
• 57:50
  Speaker 4: background music to me.
• 57:51
  Speaker 1: I don't know.
• 57:53
  Speaker 4: The most solid track is called The Dumbfound Game. It had,
• 57:56
  Speaker 4: it was interesting musically and lyrically, and Bide My Crime
• 57:59
  Speaker 4: is good as well, but it just was not for me.
• 58:01
  Speaker 4: It was very forgettable. Yeah.
• 58:05
  Speaker 2: I feel you.
• 58:08
  Speaker 3: I had, they'd they were a band that had missed
• 58:10
  Speaker 3: my radar. And I just put that, I know I
• 58:12
  Speaker 3: would have gone crazy over them. Had I heard them
• 58:14
  Speaker 3: at their heyday. Now they're just like, okay.
• 58:18
  Speaker 4: Yeah.
• 58:19
  Speaker 3: But it's a medicine. Okay.
• 58:20
  Speaker 1: What do you, what do you, what's your, yeah. Is
• 58:23
  Speaker 1: that a C then?
• 58:25
  Speaker 2: That's what she said.
• 58:26
  Speaker 1: Yep.
• 58:26
  Speaker 3: See.
• 58:27
  Speaker 1: Okay, cool. Uh, I think of this album, uh, the
• 58:32
  Speaker 1: same way I think about Elizabeth Warren. Uh, what?
• 58:38
  Speaker 2: She's a Native American?
• 58:40
  Speaker 3: No.
• 58:41
  Speaker 1: I can't think for her. I do not think Aaron
• 58:43
  Speaker 1: Sprinkle is Pottawatomie.
• 58:46
  Speaker 4: I'm so confused.
• 58:48
  Speaker 1: I think of this album as.
• 58:51
  Speaker 1: It's pretty solid. But that's about it. Yeah. There's just
• 58:56
  Speaker 1: no risk. It just feels like a zero-risk album. The
• 58:59
  Speaker 1: floor is like....
• 59:03
  Speaker 2: C tier.
• 59:04
  Speaker 1: It could be like B, A tier, but like, like
• 59:07
  Speaker 1: there's such like a small margin between like the floor
• 59:09
  Speaker 1: and the ceiling with this. And I remember even like
• 59:12
  Speaker 1: as like I think maybe I was in like fifth
• 59:15
  Speaker 1: or sixth grade when this album came out. I remember
• 59:17
  Speaker 1: even at that time thinking like this sounds like an
• 59:21
  Speaker 1: album that a producer would make. Like it just it
• 59:23
  Speaker 1: felt like it's well produced. It's well written.
• 59:26
  Speaker 3: Very.
• 59:26
  Speaker 1: And that's about it. Like there's no risk taken. And
• 59:29
  Speaker 1: that's just like, when I look back now, I'm like,
• 59:31
  Speaker 1: this sounds like, you know, Elizabeth Warren. It's just like,
• 59:34
  Speaker 1: there's no risk. There's no risk involved here. It's just like,
• 59:37
  Speaker 1: you're just going to say the most milquetoast thing. Like
• 59:40
  Speaker 1: if you're a Democrat, like it's just, this is, this
• 59:42
  Speaker 1: is how every Democrat. So there's just like no risk.
• 59:46
  Speaker 2: Fair needs to get a DNA test. We can determine
• 59:50
  Speaker 2: whether or not.
• 59:53
  Speaker 4: That was a crazy comparison, but you made it worth it.
• 59:56
  Speaker 2: It's a perfect comparison, honestly.
• 59:58
  Speaker 1: Yeah, no, when I said it, all of you understood
• 1:00:01
  Speaker 1: what I meant.
• 1:00:02
  Speaker 2: I get it.
• 1:00:02
  Speaker 1: So I would say for me, like, again, I actually
• 1:00:06
  Speaker 1: still listen to quite a few of the songs off
• 1:00:08
  Speaker 1: this album pretty regularly. I would give it a solid
• 1:00:12
  Speaker 1: B for me, at least.
• 1:00:13
  Speaker 3: Oh, wow. That's fair.
• 1:00:15
  Speaker 2: That's fair.
• 1:00:16
  Speaker 3: Ah!
• 1:00:16
  Speaker 1: Ah! Okay, so Lindsay, you said C. Meg, you said C. C, yeah, yeah.
• 1:00:25
  Speaker 1: And then Cullen, you said C? C. All right, so
• 1:00:28
  Speaker 1: it's definitely going to be in the C tier. Let
• 1:00:32
  Speaker 1: me share my screen. So we got a C tier.
• 1:00:36
  Speaker 1: So do we think it's better than the fold, or
• 1:00:39
  Speaker 1: do you think it's worse than the fold? Where do
• 1:00:42
  Speaker 1: we think it goes here?
• 1:00:42
  Speaker 2: Below the fold.
• 1:00:43
  Speaker 1: Yeah. Below the fold?
• 1:00:45
  Speaker 3: Yeah.
• 1:00:45
  Speaker 4: Yeah.
• 1:00:46
  Speaker 1: All right. Well, I mean, I feel like we're doing
• 1:00:50
  Speaker 1: tier lists well because so far one A tier, three
• 1:00:53
  Speaker 1: B tiers, four C tiers, and one D tier, which
• 1:00:57
  Speaker 1: means like we're doing that, what is that called? The
• 1:00:59
  Speaker 1: middle curve thing or whatever. So that feels like a
• 1:01:04
  Speaker 1: good sign then that we've got mostly C tiers.
• 1:01:06
  Speaker 2: I think it's called a bell curve.
• 1:01:07
  Speaker 1: A bell curve. Yeah, you're right.
• 1:01:08
  Speaker 3: Bell curve.
• 1:01:09
  Speaker 4: Yeah.
• 1:01:09
  Speaker 1: There we go. All right, well, we're about to get
• 1:01:13
  Speaker 1: rid of that bell curve, or I feel like we're
• 1:01:16
  Speaker 1: going to make this bell curve even more bell curvy.
• 1:01:20
  Speaker 1: We're about to get to Define the Great Line.
• 1:01:22
  Speaker 2: Oh, my God.
• 1:01:24
  Speaker 1: By Under Oath, released on June 20th, 2006.
• 1:01:28
  Speaker 2: Wait, was this a tooth and nail release?
• 1:01:30
  Speaker 1: It was both. It was both.
• 1:01:32
  Speaker 2: It was both. Both.
• 1:01:33
  Speaker 4: Gotcha.
• 1:01:33
  Speaker 1: So, like I said at the top of the episode,
• 1:01:36
  Speaker 1: we are excluding Solid State Record albums, except... Define the
• 1:01:40
  Speaker 1: Great Line because it.
• 1:01:41
  Speaker 2: Was on both. Can I ask a question? How does
• 1:01:44
  Speaker 2: a record get released under two labels? Why?
• 1:01:50
  Speaker 1: My understanding from Tooth & Nail was it's just simply
• 1:01:52
  Speaker 1: a marketing thing about what actually is the label that
• 1:01:58
  Speaker 1: is imprinted on the CD, well, especially CD at this time.
• 1:02:02
  Speaker 1: Is it Solid State? Is it Tooth & Nail? I
• 1:02:04
  Speaker 1: would have to look. I don't... I'd have to look.
• 1:02:06
  Speaker 1: I'm sure I have the Define the Great Line CD.
• 1:02:08
  Speaker 1: I'd have to pull it out of my somewhere out of,
• 1:02:11
  Speaker 1: it's gotta be.
• 1:02:12
  Speaker 2: I did not steal that one from you.
• 1:02:14
  Speaker 1: Yeah. You stole a lot of them. That was one
• 1:02:16
  Speaker 1: of them that you did not, but I'm sure it's
• 1:02:18
  Speaker 1: on both. Like I'm sure both the solid state and
• 1:02:20
  Speaker 1: the tooth and nail label is on both. Right.
• 1:02:22
  Speaker 4: I think it is because like Reliant K, I remember they,
• 1:02:26
  Speaker 4: I forget which album it was, but they were released
• 1:02:27
  Speaker 4: on goatee and capital.
• 1:02:29
  Speaker 1: I want to say, um, both were on there.
• 1:02:31
  Speaker 4: Okay. And so it's kind of like that thing. Yeah.
• 1:02:34
  Speaker 1: So that would be my guess. I I'd have to look, but, uh,
• 1:02:36
  Speaker 1: that would be my guess. So, Anyway, Define the Great Line, again,
• 1:02:40
  Speaker 1: June 20th, 2006, maybe one of the greatest days of
• 1:02:44
  Speaker 1: my life. Yeah, same. I can go first. You can
• 1:02:47
  Speaker 1: go first. I can go last.
• 1:02:48
  Speaker 3: I can go in the middle. Yeah, go first.
• 1:02:49
  Speaker 2: Go first, Mason, because I'll take a break here then.
• 1:02:52
  Speaker 1: I think this is one of the greatest albums I've
• 1:02:54
  Speaker 1: ever heard in my life. I can't think of too
• 1:02:57
  Speaker 1: many albums that are better than it, if any. Top
• 1:03:00
  Speaker 1: to bottom, it was just even– and I think– Under
• 1:03:04
  Speaker 1: Oath has done this really well in pretty much all
• 1:03:07
  Speaker 1: of their discography, but especially kind of their big three
• 1:03:09
  Speaker 1: of Chasing Safety, Define the Great Lion, and then Lost
• 1:03:12
  Speaker 1: in the Sound. They always sequenced their songs really well.
• 1:03:16
  Speaker 1: Like they just, they had them in the correct order
• 1:03:18
  Speaker 1: that you would imagine like a good album. So they
• 1:03:20
  Speaker 1: sequenced it well. Obviously the songwriting, it sounded so different
• 1:03:25
  Speaker 1: at that time. It sounded certainly different than Chasing Safety,
• 1:03:28
  Speaker 1: but it also left you with like, okay, this is
• 1:03:30
  Speaker 1: still Under Oath. So there was still this like a
• 1:03:33
  Speaker 1: hint of this is clearly under oath, but it was
• 1:03:35
  Speaker 1: still sounded way more hardcore than under oath had been,
• 1:03:38
  Speaker 1: which how many bands go from like this emo album
• 1:03:42
  Speaker 1: to like, we're going to go even heavier and get
• 1:03:44
  Speaker 1: way more popular from that. That's what they did. That's
• 1:03:46
  Speaker 1: crazy to me. Uh, and then you just add to
• 1:03:49
  Speaker 1: the fact that they had some of the best music
• 1:03:51
  Speaker 1: videos that, especially from that time period, one of which
• 1:03:54
  Speaker 1: got Grammy nominated and would have won the Grammys if
• 1:03:57
  Speaker 1: it wouldn't happen. You know what, if there wouldn't, wasn't
• 1:03:59
  Speaker 1: there literally like a, a fricking, uh, what, what was it?
• 1:04:04
  Speaker 1: The okay.
• 1:04:04
  Speaker 3: Go.
• 1:04:04
  Speaker 1: I think one that great.
• 1:04:06
  Speaker 3: Yeah.
• 1:04:07
  Speaker 4: Not fair to under oath because you literally.
• 1:04:10
  Speaker 1: Have probably the most viral music video of all time.
• 1:04:14
  Speaker 1: Any other year, they probably would have won that music
• 1:04:16
  Speaker 1: video of the year for the Grammys, but okay. Of course. Okay.
• 1:04:20
  Speaker 1: Go had a, the most viral music video of all time.
• 1:04:23
  Speaker 1: So anyway, it's just the whole thing about it was incredible. Uh,
• 1:04:27
  Speaker 1: you know, I've, I've talked about this album extensively on
• 1:04:30
  Speaker 1: this podcast, but, Yeah, the fact that you literally have
• 1:04:33
  Speaker 1: a number two charting album on the billboard next to,
• 1:04:39
  Speaker 1: what's her name? The Furato, Furtado.
• 1:04:43
  Speaker 3: Nelly Furtado.
• 1:04:44
  Speaker 1: Yeah, Nelly. Whatever her name is. Like, that blows my mind.
• 1:04:50
  Speaker 1: And I've heard them, I've heard the Under Oaks guys
• 1:04:52
  Speaker 1: talk about this album before where it's like at maximum
• 1:04:55
  Speaker 1: between the producers, the guys in the band, and some
• 1:04:59
  Speaker 1: of the other execs at tooth and nail at the
• 1:05:01
  Speaker 1: time there were a maximum of like 15 people that
• 1:05:05
  Speaker 1: had decision making powers on this album which like in
• 1:05:08
  Speaker 1: comparison to someone like nelly ferrato like her album probably
• 1:05:13
  Speaker 1: had 15 people just in whatever the fuck her name
• 1:05:16
  Speaker 1: is i don't give a shit but like like literally
• 1:05:21
  Speaker 1: she had like probably 15 people that wrote like one
• 1:05:23
  Speaker 1: song Yeah, that Nelly Colorado.
• 1:05:27
  Speaker 2: She just has so many names and songs.
• 1:05:30
  Speaker 3: Oh, my gosh.
• 1:05:31
  Speaker 1: There just aren't going to be too many albums that
• 1:05:33
  Speaker 1: chart that high anymore that have that few of people
• 1:05:36
  Speaker 1: that have decision-making power on the album. So I just
• 1:05:38
  Speaker 1: find all of it, just the whole nostalgia, the legacy
• 1:05:41
  Speaker 1: of the album, it's just incredible. I think it's definitively
• 1:05:45
  Speaker 1: an S tier. If it isn't an S tier for
• 1:05:48
  Speaker 1: you all, I really will totally distrust your music taste.
• 1:05:52
  Speaker 2: It definitively crosses the S line for me, Mason.
• 1:05:56
  Speaker 1: There you go.
• 1:05:58
  Speaker 3: Yeah.
• 1:05:59
  Speaker 2: You said everything I needed to say, so I'm not
• 1:06:01
  Speaker 2: going to say anything more.
• 1:06:02
  Speaker 4: Well, I will. This, there are two albums. Actually, no,
• 1:06:08
  Speaker 4: there are three albums that are very defining of my
• 1:06:11
  Speaker 4: freshman year of college on this list. And then a
• 1:06:14
  Speaker 4: whole bunch of stuff that I did not care about
• 1:06:16
  Speaker 4: or know about or whatever. This is one of those three.
• 1:06:19
  Speaker 4: It is absolutely S tier for me. I got introduced,
• 1:06:22
  Speaker 4: I think I might have shared it on this podcast,
• 1:06:24
  Speaker 4: but I got introduced to Under Oath before, They're Only
• 1:06:26
  Speaker 4: Chasing Safety. I was into Ska and some dude who
• 1:06:29
  Speaker 4: had the name Fiber and Frenzy on AOL Instant Messenger
• 1:06:32
  Speaker 4: was like, I don't really listen to Ska anymore, but
• 1:06:33
  Speaker 4: there's this Christian kind of metal band, Under Oath, that
• 1:06:38
  Speaker 4: I listen to and sent me the song from Changing
• 1:06:41
  Speaker 4: at Times, When the Sun Sleeps. And I was like,
• 1:06:42
  Speaker 4: what is this? I love it. And it went from there.
• 1:06:45
  Speaker 4: And then everyone fell in love with them during The
• 1:06:48
  Speaker 4: Only Chasing Safety. And it was like, to me, perfect screamo.
• 1:06:50
  Speaker 4: I was like, this is perfect. It is Christian, on
• 1:06:53
  Speaker 4: tooth and nail, and it is perfect. I did not
• 1:06:56
  Speaker 4: know that they could come out with a better album.
• 1:07:00
  Speaker 4: And in 2007, I was in the throes of being
• 1:07:03
  Speaker 4: in love. Lindsay's camera.
• 1:07:05
  Speaker 3: Sorry. It's okay.
• 1:07:06
  Speaker 2: Sorry.
• 1:07:09
  Speaker 4: I was in the throes of being in love. Again, well,
• 1:07:12
  Speaker 4: I guess not again, but it was an older album with, uh,
• 1:07:13
  Speaker 4: bless the martyr, Norman jeans, bless the martyr. And so
• 1:07:17
  Speaker 4: I was wanting something heavy and this came out in
• 1:07:20
  Speaker 4: June of 2006, like a few weeks after I graduated
• 1:07:24
  Speaker 4: high school. And there was this guy from Germany who said,
• 1:07:27
  Speaker 4: have you heard the new under oath album? And I said, no,
• 1:07:29
  Speaker 4: he's like, it just came out. He mailed it to
• 1:07:31
  Speaker 4: me from Germany and was like, this is maybe the
• 1:07:34
  Speaker 4: best thing they've ever done. And I was like, okay,
• 1:07:36
  Speaker 4: we'll find out. It was, and still I believe to
• 1:07:40
  Speaker 4: this day, the best thing they've ever done. It was perfect.
• 1:07:42
  Speaker 4: Somehow catchy while being so hard. Everything Mason said, I
• 1:07:45
  Speaker 4: could not agree with more. It was like the soundtrack
• 1:07:47
  Speaker 4: to my freshman year of college. I just, it's so heavy,
• 1:07:51
  Speaker 4: so catchy. Ideal mix of clean vocals and all kinds
• 1:07:54
  Speaker 4: of screams. Spencer's scream is so refined in this album.
• 1:07:57
  Speaker 4: And he just proves what an incredible, versatile vocalist he is.
• 1:08:01
  Speaker 4: Aaron's vocals and drummings are as solid as ever. There's
• 1:08:04
  Speaker 4: some of the heaviest parts that they've ever done before.
• 1:08:07
  Speaker 4: I don't know how it can be so heavy and
• 1:08:08
  Speaker 4: so catchy at the same time. I make everyone that
• 1:08:10
  Speaker 4: says they like hard music listen to this album. It's
• 1:08:12
  Speaker 4: so important to me and who I became because I got...
• 1:08:16
  Speaker 4: It was right when I was getting into true hardcore,
• 1:08:18
  Speaker 4: but still liked metalcore. I could just go on and on,
• 1:08:21
  Speaker 4: but we have a lot more albums to go through.
• 1:08:23
  Speaker 4: It's S tier. It's such an important record to me.
• 1:08:26
  Speaker 2: If there's one thing that I can say, I'm sorry
• 1:08:29
  Speaker 2: to cut the line here, Lindsay, but if there's one
• 1:08:31
  Speaker 2: thing I can say is I think that... Tim Matag
• 1:08:38
  Speaker 2: doesn't give enough credit for this record. Everyone talks about Spencer.
• 1:08:43
  Speaker 2: Everyone talks about Aaron. But nobody ever talks about Tim.
• 1:08:46
  Speaker 2: And this is his record more than anybody else's by far.
• 1:08:52
  Speaker 4: You know what? You have a really, really good point, actually.
• 1:08:54
  Speaker 1: Great take.
• 1:08:56
  Speaker 4: And Mason, I just want to point out how much
• 1:08:58
  Speaker 4: I agree with your comment. about their sequencing. The different...
• 1:09:02
  Speaker 4: The dynamics on this record are perfect. Like, there's nothing
• 1:09:06
  Speaker 4: that I would change. They're perfect.
• 1:09:10
  Speaker 3: Yeah.
• 1:09:10
  Speaker 1: They just, like, nailed it out of the park. Yeah.
• 1:09:14
  Speaker 1: So we got three S-tiers so far, which means it
• 1:09:17
  Speaker 1: will be S-tier.
• 1:09:17
  Speaker 2: But, Lindsay.
• 1:09:20
  Speaker 2: Okay.
• 1:09:20
  Speaker 3: This is a band that really missed my radar whenever
• 1:09:23
  Speaker 3: they came out. So I just listened to it for
• 1:09:24
  Speaker 3: the first time today.
• 1:09:25
  Speaker 2: I'm just joking.
• 1:09:27
  Speaker 1: Oh, I was about to say Lindsay. Anyway, I love
• 1:09:34
  Speaker 1: this one with me like that.
• 1:09:35
  Speaker 3: I'm sorry. No, I love this one. I just like
• 1:09:39
  Speaker 3: the really cool thing about like being in high school
• 1:09:43
  Speaker 3: whenever this came out was the fact like we talked
• 1:09:46
  Speaker 3: earlier about like how there were Christian bands where you're like,
• 1:09:48
  Speaker 3: you're just doing this worse and, Under Oath was not
• 1:09:50
  Speaker 3: the case. Under Oath was the exact opposite. It was
• 1:09:52
  Speaker 3: cool to listen to Under Oath. Everybody listened to Under Oath,
• 1:09:56
  Speaker 3: and that was a gigantic thing.
• 1:10:01
  Speaker 2: It's funny you say that because Mason knows this about me,
• 1:10:05
  Speaker 2: but I tend to try to buck every trend. Under
• 1:10:09
  Speaker 2: Oath was actually one of those for me. I intentionally
• 1:10:13
  Speaker 2: did not listen to Under Oath until 2009.
• 1:10:14
  Speaker 1: Boo!
• 1:10:18
  Speaker 2: It's such a shitty thing for me to do, but
• 1:10:20
  Speaker 2: that's what I did. Sorry, Lindsay. I didn't mean to
• 1:10:21
  Speaker 2: cut you off again. I'm so sorry.
• 1:10:23
  Speaker 3: It is fine. It is fine.
• 1:10:25
  Speaker 2: Continue.
• 1:10:26
  Speaker 3: The love of Christ is in my heart. I have forgiveness.
• 1:10:30
  Speaker 1: Yeah.
• 1:10:30
  Speaker 3: I just, this was one of the bands that got
• 1:10:33
  Speaker 3: me into more hardcore as well as Emory. Like it
• 1:10:35
  Speaker 3: just was like, and I honestly didn't spend as much
• 1:10:39
  Speaker 3: time with under oath as I did with other bands,
• 1:10:41
  Speaker 3: but it was just like a very uniting record. And
• 1:10:45
  Speaker 3: it was also one that every time I listened to it,
• 1:10:47
  Speaker 3: I was just kind of blown away.
• 1:10:51
  Speaker 1: So S tier. S tier. Okay, perfect.
• 1:10:54
  Speaker 3: All right.
• 1:10:54
  Speaker 1: I was going to say like, if it's not S
• 1:10:55
  Speaker 1: tier for all of us, like I feel like you're
• 1:10:58
  Speaker 1: never going to get invited back on this podcast.
• 1:11:01
  Speaker 4: Yeah.
• 1:11:01
  Speaker 1: It's just an incredible album. Truly like it, like it's
• 1:11:05
  Speaker 1: literally called Define the Great Line. I think of Define
• 1:11:07
  Speaker 1: the Great Line as like a defining moment in my
• 1:11:10
  Speaker 1: life where I think of like pre Define the Great
• 1:11:13
  Speaker 1: Line and post Define the Great Line. Like it's, it's
• 1:11:15
  Speaker 1: literally like BC.
• 1:11:17
  Speaker 2: It's your, it's your 9-11.
• 1:11:20
  Speaker 1: It's my 9-11. It's my Jesus Christ being born. It
• 1:11:25
  Speaker 1: truly is.
• 1:11:26
  Speaker 4: It low-key is for me, too. I mean, my freshman
• 1:11:29
  Speaker 4: year of college, it was the soundtrack. I wrote, and
• 1:11:32
  Speaker 4: I'm like, oh, is that too cheesy? I was like,
• 1:11:33
  Speaker 4: it defined the soundtrack.
• 1:11:35
  Speaker 2: It's cheesy, but it works. It makes sense.
• 1:11:37
  Speaker 4: It's true, though.
• 1:11:37
  Speaker 1: It was.
• 1:11:38
  Speaker 4: I have vivid memories driving to the community college, listening
• 1:11:41
  Speaker 4: to this really loud in my dumb Jeep with the
• 1:11:43
  Speaker 4: windows down. I'd be like, does anyone else like Under Oath?
• 1:11:45
  Speaker 4: Maybe they'll talk to.
• 1:11:46
  Speaker 2: Me about this record. Was it a Jeep Liberty? That
• 1:11:48
  Speaker 2: was the best feeling. I don't know.
• 1:11:50
  Speaker 4: It was inherited from my dad. It was a stick shift.
• 1:11:53
  Speaker 4: It was terrible.
• 1:11:56
  Speaker 1: Oh, Meg just driving stick to high school. Not high school.
• 1:12:00
  Speaker 1: Freshman year of college. I forgot.
• 1:12:03
  Speaker 2: Sorry.
• 1:12:03
  Speaker 1: I forgot how old you were.
• 1:12:05
  Speaker 2: Okay.
• 1:12:07
  Speaker 1: Anyway.
• 1:12:07
  Speaker 3: All right.
• 1:12:07
  Speaker 1: Let's move on to FM Statics, Critically Ashamed, released on
• 1:12:12
  Speaker 1: August 1st of 2006. What do we think about FM Statics,
• 1:12:16
  Speaker 1: Critically Ashamed?
• 1:12:17
  Speaker 4: They should be ashamed.
• 1:12:18
  Speaker 3: I have so many thoughts.
• 1:12:19
  Speaker 2: I have so many thoughts. I'm going to say this
• 1:12:21
  Speaker 2: is my F. This is my F.
• 1:12:23
  Speaker 4: And I.
• 1:12:24
  Speaker 2: Really? I hate this album with a passion.
• 1:12:29
  Speaker 4: Oh, yes. Thank you.
• 1:12:30
  Speaker 2: I hate everything about FM Static. And I'm not trying
• 1:12:34
  Speaker 2: to be mean or vindictive, but I despise FM Static.
• 1:12:39
  Speaker 2: It just seems like... They were attempting to be the
• 1:12:43
  Speaker 2: gateway drug for every kid that was going to a
• 1:12:47
  Speaker 2: Christian music festival. I feel like they were bought and
• 1:12:53
  Speaker 2: created by Christian record labels to get kids hooked on
• 1:12:58
  Speaker 2: Christian music in order to sell them more merchandise. I
• 1:13:03
  Speaker 2: swear to God, that's what it is.
• 1:13:05
  Speaker 4: I have a thing to say about that after you're done,
• 1:13:08
  Speaker 4: about what you just said.
• 1:13:09
  Speaker 2: That's all I got to say. They're not for me.
• 1:13:11
  Speaker 4: Well, so you guys know FM Static guy is a
• 1:13:14
  Speaker 4: Crutch guy.
• 1:13:15
  Speaker 1: Yes.
• 1:13:15
  Speaker 4: Right.
• 1:13:16
  Speaker 2: Okay.
• 1:13:16
  Speaker 1: Trevor McCannon or whatever his name is.
• 1:13:19
  Speaker 4: I gave them a pass for their first record, which
• 1:13:22
  Speaker 4: had some solid tracks. The first album did it. And
• 1:13:26
  Speaker 4: I was actually pretty happy with it, even though it
• 1:13:27
  Speaker 4: was still too poppy for my take. Again, it was
• 1:13:29
  Speaker 4: kind of like the Hawk Nelson record. I'm like, my
• 1:13:31
  Speaker 4: sister likes it because it's more poppy. I like it
• 1:13:33
  Speaker 4: because it's pop punk. That was the first record, which
• 1:13:34
  Speaker 4: I forget what it's called. It's the blue one with
• 1:13:36
  Speaker 4: the radio on it. The guy from Thousand Foot Crutch,
• 1:13:39
  Speaker 4: whose name is whatever you just said, Mason. Remember on
• 1:13:42
  Speaker 4: the podcast from last year, I was talking about how
• 1:13:44
  Speaker 4: much I hated that Thousand Foot Crutch record and why
• 1:13:45
  Speaker 4: I didn't like Thousand Foot Crutch because they baited me
• 1:13:47
  Speaker 4: so hard with having that one song, When in Doubt,
• 1:13:51
  Speaker 4: on their first record, which is a solid, amazing pop
• 1:13:54
  Speaker 4: punk track and then nothing else. And then it was
• 1:13:56
  Speaker 4: like rap rock. The guy from Thousand Foot Crutch created
• 1:14:01
  Speaker 4: FM Static because he's like, pop punk is fun too.
• 1:14:03
  Speaker 4: Let me do that also. And then the second record
• 1:14:06
  Speaker 4: did exactly what Colin just said. It was like, let's
• 1:14:09
  Speaker 4: get more, uh, more pop, more soft, more cliche, do
• 1:14:15
  Speaker 4: all these very, very just cliche pandering. Uh, like you,
• 1:14:21
  Speaker 4: you almost know what they're going to say in all
• 1:14:22
  Speaker 4: of their melody lines and all of their lyrics. It's
• 1:14:25
  Speaker 4: like the most gross, like this song is for everyone.
• 1:14:29
  Speaker 4: All the weirdos like me. And it's like the poppiest
• 1:14:31
  Speaker 4: thing in the world. It's so gross. And I'm like,
• 1:14:35
  Speaker 4: this is everything that I don't want Christian music to be.
• 1:14:37
  Speaker 4: Cause people look at that and be like, that sucks.
• 1:14:40
  Speaker 4: And so I hate this record so much. And part
• 1:14:42
  Speaker 4: of it is because of where it came from. So
• 1:14:45
  Speaker 4: I had like higher expectations. Every single song is pretty
• 1:14:48
  Speaker 4: much terrible. Like I just, I don't know. There's so
• 1:14:51
  Speaker 4: many cultural references and not in a clever way. So
• 1:14:54
  Speaker 4: many of the lyrics are grossly predictable. It makes it
• 1:14:57
  Speaker 4: so boring. And it's embarrassing. Like, it's embarrassing to be like,
• 1:15:00
  Speaker 4: this is a Christian record on tooth and nail. It's like,
• 1:15:02
  Speaker 4: I don't want it to exist.
• 1:15:07
  Speaker 2: Thank you for saying what I could not say so
• 1:15:09
  Speaker 2: much more eloquently than I.
• 1:15:12
  Speaker 4: I stumbled over my words, but I'm like, you and I,
• 1:15:14
  Speaker 4: we are on track with this.
• 1:15:16
  Speaker 3: Okay. Anyway. Yeah.
• 1:15:17
  Speaker 4: So D minus.
• 1:15:19
  Speaker 3: Oh, wow.
• 1:15:21
  Speaker 2: Just give it an F. If you're going to give
• 1:15:22
  Speaker 2: it a D minus, just give.
• 1:15:23
  Speaker 3: It an F. Okay. Fine. Fine. Fine. Can I read
• 1:15:30
  Speaker 3: what I wrote for this one? Because I wrote a
• 1:15:31
  Speaker 3: lot for this one. I've come prepared. Opening it up,
• 1:15:36
  Speaker 3: I put Flop Culture fucking sucks LMAO. What happened to
• 1:15:40
  Speaker 3: Michael Jackson? I wrote that joke too! So I do
• 1:15:45
  Speaker 3: have some ideas here. I wrote, this is a wild
• 1:15:50
  Speaker 3: album to roast salmon to. Because I was making dinner
• 1:15:53
  Speaker 3: and I'm like, this is like... America's Next Freak literally
• 1:15:58
  Speaker 3: made me stop at my tracks and shake my head.
• 1:16:02
  Speaker 3: Why do they feel the need to make a return
• 1:16:04
  Speaker 3: to this album? I put 1.7 million monthly listeners on Spotify.
• 1:16:10
  Speaker 3: I said, is this a money laundering scheme?
• 1:16:16
  Speaker 4: It's not important. Jaw dropped.
• 1:16:19
  Speaker 1: Well, she stole my whole point.
• 1:16:23
  Speaker 2: Oh, no?
• 1:16:24
  Speaker 3: Sorry.
• 1:16:24
  Speaker 2: What?
• 1:16:25
  Speaker 3: I wrote, tonight I've fallen and I can't get up, LMAO.
• 1:16:28
  Speaker 3: And then I also put, girl of the year is like,
• 1:16:30
  Speaker 3: what if Antonia by Motion City Soundtrack sucked ass?
• 1:16:34
  Speaker 4: Yeah, yes. Great take.
• 1:16:39
  Speaker 3: I was so mad at this album. I'm just sitting
• 1:16:41
  Speaker 3: there like, this is the worst thing ever.
• 1:16:43
  Speaker 4: I feel so, I was worried that I was going to,
• 1:16:46
  Speaker 4: I wrote more notes for this album that I hate
• 1:16:49
  Speaker 4: than anything else. And I was worried.
• 1:16:51
  Speaker 3: This is the point when I texted in the chat,
• 1:16:54
  Speaker 3: how mean can we be?
• 1:16:55
  Speaker 2: Oh, I love you.
• 1:16:57
  Speaker 4: I love you. And I almost said in the chat,
• 1:16:59
  Speaker 4: I was like, if you're talking about FM static, I
• 1:17:01
  Speaker 4: love you even more. And you were, and I love
• 1:17:03
  Speaker 4: you even more. This is great. This is great.
• 1:17:06
  Speaker 1: Uh, Lindsay, what, what you're putting it at D or F? F.
• 1:17:11
  Speaker 3: Okay. So far on the F.
• 1:17:13
  Speaker 1: Okay. I appreciate all your scores. There's not really much
• 1:17:17
  Speaker 1: more I'm going to add. This is the first time
• 1:17:19
  Speaker 1: I've listened to this album in 20 years. And there's
• 1:17:23
  Speaker 1: a reason for that. Again, I'm not going to really
• 1:17:26
  Speaker 1: add more. Other than the fact, Lindsay, you literally just
• 1:17:28
  Speaker 1: brought up a point that I was going to bring up.
• 1:17:30
  Speaker 1: One is, I swear to God, Trevor McKeven. I have
• 1:17:36
  Speaker 1: no idea how to pronounce his name. McKeven.
• 1:17:39
  Speaker 4: Mason's great at pronouncing names.
• 1:17:40
  Speaker 3: However.
• 1:17:41
  Speaker 2: The best.
• 1:17:42
  Speaker 1: The best. McNevin? Yeah, Trevor McNevin, I think is how
• 1:17:46
  Speaker 1: you pronounce it. Okay, McNevin, McNevin. I swear to God,
• 1:17:50
  Speaker 1: this guy is like, he has to be buttering up
• 1:17:54
  Speaker 1: to the higher ups of Spotify. Okay, FM Static has
• 1:18:00
  Speaker 1: not released any music since 2011. So for 15 years,
• 1:18:06
  Speaker 1: FM Static hasn't released a song, a new song, right?
• 1:18:10
  Speaker 1: They are at, what Lindsay said, 1.7 million monthly listeners
• 1:18:18
  Speaker 1: on Spotify. They have two songs, which are not singles
• 1:18:21
  Speaker 1: at all, off of this album that both have 100
• 1:18:24
  Speaker 1: million listens on Spotify. That's what I said. Those two
• 1:18:31
  Speaker 1: songs are, from a tooth and nail discography lens, two
• 1:18:34
  Speaker 1: of the most played songs off of a tooth and
• 1:18:37
  Speaker 1: nail album of all time.
• 1:18:38
  Speaker 2: They are the mattress firm of Christian music.
• 1:18:43
  Speaker 1: I swear to God. I'm like, what Breaking Bad thing
• 1:18:45
  Speaker 1: is going on with Trevor and Canada?
• 1:18:48
  Speaker 4: Mason, what songs are they?
• 1:18:53
  Speaker 1: One is called Tonight and the other is Moment of Truth.
• 1:18:56
  Speaker 1: Both of which have over 100 million views. listens on Spotify.
• 1:19:00
  Speaker 4: Tonight was a single. I believe it was played on
• 1:19:04
  Speaker 4: Air One.
• 1:19:04
  Speaker 1: Tonight was? And it's terrible. But both of them, as
• 1:19:07
  Speaker 1: you were talking about, both of them are like this
• 1:19:08
  Speaker 1: sort of soft, like acoustic song.
• 1:19:10
  Speaker 2: Yeah, yes.
• 1:19:11
  Speaker 1: They weren't even like a pop punk song. No, they weren't.
• 1:19:15
  Speaker 1: It's like, this band has not released anything for 15 years.
• 1:19:19
  Speaker 1: They also, literally the top two songs were not even
• 1:19:23
  Speaker 1: like big songs when the album came out.
• 1:19:25
  Speaker 2: Like what.
• 1:19:26
  Speaker 1: What is he doing that is making them so popular? 1.7
• 1:19:34
  Speaker 1: million monthly listeners. That's a band. That's way more popular
• 1:19:38
  Speaker 1: than Thrice.
• 1:19:39
  Speaker 4: That's crazy.
• 1:19:40
  Speaker 1: That's twice as big as Thrice. That's insane. This band
• 1:19:43
  Speaker 1: has got to be making just from that band alone,
• 1:19:46
  Speaker 1: making enough money off of Spotify to sustain the band
• 1:19:49
  Speaker 1: for doing whatever.
• 1:19:52
  Speaker 2: Can I tell you what- That's crazy. Can I tell
• 1:19:55
  Speaker 2: you what- the story behind the song tonight by FM
• 1:19:59
  Speaker 2: static is.
• 1:19:59
  Speaker 3: Oh no. Absolutely. Okay.
• 1:20:02
  Speaker 2: This is from somebody named zombies wear pink on a
• 1:20:06
  Speaker 2: message board from 2010. Beautiful. It was a really sad story.
• 1:20:12
  Speaker 2: The composer was engaged with his longtime girlfriend as they
• 1:20:15
  Speaker 2: depart for work. His girlfriend died and he's one of
• 1:20:17
  Speaker 2: the victims of nine 11 incident at the twin towers.
• 1:20:21
  Speaker 2: He was so deeply heartbroken and devastated. Thus he composed
• 1:20:23
  Speaker 2: that song in honor of his girlfriend.
• 1:20:26
  Speaker 3: This is a real thing that really happened. I didn't
• 1:20:28
  Speaker 3: mean to do that. I didn't mean to do that.
• 1:20:30
  Speaker 4: In that song, they also rhyme up with up.
• 1:20:35
  Speaker 2: That's my favorite. That's my favorite.
• 1:20:39
  Speaker 1: Man, they really need to get Eminem.
• 1:20:42
  Speaker 2: They should have rhymed up with the Twin Towers come down.
• 1:20:45
  Speaker 4: Oh my gosh, Colin.
• 1:20:47
  Speaker 3: Sorry.
• 1:20:48
  Speaker 2: Too soon. Too soon. I was about to say that.
• 1:20:51
  Speaker 4: I was about to say that.
• 1:20:53
  Speaker 3: Was this the Tonight I Fall In and I Can't
• 1:20:55
  Speaker 3: Get Up song?
• 1:20:56
  Speaker 4: Oh, it's so bad. I just have so many notes
• 1:21:00
  Speaker 4: and they're all just me hating on it. Like they
• 1:21:03
  Speaker 4: call out Fred Durst for some freaking reason.
• 1:21:06
  Speaker 2: Which is also funny because Fred Durst rhymed Roland with
• 1:21:09
  Speaker 2: the word rolling.
• 1:21:10
  Speaker 1: Yes.
• 1:21:11
  Speaker 4: And you know what else? On the song, Nice Piece
• 1:21:13
  Speaker 4: of Art, which is probably the worst song on the album,
• 1:21:15
  Speaker 4: he rhymes art with art. Yeah.
• 1:21:18
  Speaker 2: He could have said farts, but he said art.
• 1:21:20
  Speaker 4: Why is this happening?
• 1:21:22
  Speaker 1: I'm getting sweaty. Okay. I'm also looking, especially like at
• 1:21:27
  Speaker 1: this time period of like music, typically like, you know, again,
• 1:21:32
  Speaker 1: like mid 2000s, usually like, Billboard success can kind of
• 1:21:38
  Speaker 1: equate to some kind of Spotify numbers.
• 1:21:41
  Speaker 3: Sure.
• 1:21:41
  Speaker 1: The highest charting album that FM Static had ever had
• 1:21:46
  Speaker 1: was 199th on the U.S. Billboard. Not even this album.
• 1:21:50
  Speaker 1: It was their 2009 album. None of their albums ever
• 1:21:53
  Speaker 1: charted on the Billboard.
• 1:21:55
  Speaker 2: Oh, my gosh.
• 1:21:56
  Speaker 3: This is insane.
• 1:21:57
  Speaker 1: It's like one of those things where it's just like, what?
• 1:21:59
  Speaker 1: What is happening now? I understand like Thousand Foot Crutch
• 1:22:03
  Speaker 1: is massive on Spotify. And I understand like there is
• 1:22:06
  Speaker 1: a part of America that I will never understand that
• 1:22:09
  Speaker 1: will listen to this kind of stuff. And and I
• 1:22:13
  Speaker 1: would imagine the success of Thousand Foot Crutch seeps into
• 1:22:17
  Speaker 1: the success of FM static. I get that. But my goodness,
• 1:22:20
  Speaker 1: it blows my mind how massively popular they are. And, again, like,
• 1:22:26
  Speaker 1: clearly they're getting playlisted. If they've got two songs that
• 1:22:29
  Speaker 1: have 100 million plays and none of their other– I
• 1:22:33
  Speaker 1: think the next song after those two is, like, 10 million. Like,
• 1:22:37
  Speaker 1: clearly those two songs are getting playlisted. And I have
• 1:22:40
  Speaker 1: no idea what playlists are popular that those two are on. But,
• 1:22:44
  Speaker 1: my goodness, it blows my mind that they're getting that
• 1:22:46
  Speaker 1: kind of monthly listenership.
• 1:22:47
  Speaker 4: The playlist is called Christian Music for Children.
• 1:22:50
  Speaker 2: Do that when it's, like– It's probably some really bad
• 1:22:55
  Speaker 2: emo playlist that they claim is an emo song.
• 1:23:01
  Speaker 4: I want to shoot someone in the face with a
• 1:23:03
  Speaker 4: water gun who calls this emo.
• 1:23:06
  Speaker 2: Just a water gun?
• 1:23:07
  Speaker 4: Just a water gun.
• 1:23:10
  Speaker 1: You're letting him off way too easy, man. You're letting
• 1:23:12
  Speaker 1: him off way too easy.
• 1:23:14
  Speaker 2: Do you want to smack him with a newspaper tube?
• 1:23:16
  Speaker 1: Yes, I do.
• 1:23:17
  Speaker 3: Yes.
• 1:23:18
  Speaker 1: Yes. All right. I think we know what we're going
• 1:23:25
  Speaker 1: to be at here, but I think the most generous
• 1:23:28
  Speaker 1: one was a D minus tier.
• 1:23:30
  Speaker 4: That was me.
• 1:23:31
  Speaker 2: She changed it to an F, remember?
• 1:23:34
  Speaker 4: I did.
• 1:23:34
  Speaker 1: So Meg's going in with an F. So, all right.
• 1:23:37
  Speaker 1: I think we definitively are at an F tier. Also,
• 1:23:40
  Speaker 1: I totally realized we did not put Under Earth at
• 1:23:44
  Speaker 1: an S tier.
• 1:23:45
  Speaker 4: Oh, look how beautiful that tier list is.
• 1:23:48
  Speaker 3: All right.
• 1:23:49
  Speaker 1: Our next one is... Showbread's Age of Wrecked Piles. Again,
• 1:23:54
  Speaker 1: I got a lot of things to say about this album.
• 1:23:55
  Speaker 1: Curious what you all have to say. So whoever wants
• 1:23:58
  Speaker 1: to go, go ahead.
• 1:24:01
  Speaker 2: Okay.
• 1:24:01
  Speaker 4: I got to scroll up because it's an important one.
• 1:24:05
  Speaker 4: I actually don't know why this record stuck with me
• 1:24:08
  Speaker 4: as much as it did. I liked Showbread. I think
• 1:24:12
  Speaker 4: part of why is because same cute guy who I
• 1:24:15
  Speaker 4: was into from Germany who sent me the Under Earth
• 1:24:17
  Speaker 4: album also sent me this album in the mail. I
• 1:24:21
  Speaker 4: was convinced myself I was going to marry him.
• 1:24:23
  Speaker 1: Want to give me this cute guy in Germany's phone number?
• 1:24:26
  Speaker 1: I kind of like this guy already a little bit.
• 1:24:28
  Speaker 4: He's rad. You guys for sure would have been friends.
• 1:24:30
  Speaker 4: He was very, very cool. Decided that I reminded him
• 1:24:34
  Speaker 4: too much of his sister and decided not to date
• 1:24:36
  Speaker 4: me after all. After he talked about marrying me, as
• 1:24:39
  Speaker 4: is the fundamentalist Christian way.
• 1:24:41
  Speaker 2: That is the way it goes.
• 1:24:43
  Speaker 4: But anyway, it was just like with Define the Great Line.
• 1:24:46
  Speaker 4: It was in my CD player nonstop. I learned to
• 1:24:48
  Speaker 4: love the tracks, even with the sound that I wouldn't
• 1:24:50
  Speaker 4: usually be my favorite. I fell in love with the
• 1:24:54
  Speaker 4: worship song at the end. I have distinct memories of
• 1:24:56
  Speaker 4: listening to this album, just like Define the Great Line,
• 1:24:58
  Speaker 4: as I pull up into the community college parking lot.
• 1:25:01
  Speaker 4: I had just gotten my license a couple weeks before
• 1:25:05
  Speaker 4: the album came out. Because it came out in June
• 1:25:07
  Speaker 4: of 2006, I believe.
• 1:25:09
  Speaker 1: No, August.
• 1:25:11
  Speaker 4: August.
• 1:25:12
  Speaker 1: August 1st.
• 1:25:13
  Speaker 4: August 1st. Oh, no, that makes more sense because I
• 1:25:15
  Speaker 4: got my license in June of 2006 and I started
• 1:25:18
  Speaker 4: community college in September. And so that makes more sense.
• 1:25:21
  Speaker 4: And I got my license because that friend, his name
• 1:25:24
  Speaker 4: was Toby, he was coming to visit. And I was like,
• 1:25:26
  Speaker 4: I need to be able to.
• 1:25:27
  Speaker 1: Last name Mac?
• 1:25:28
  Speaker 2: No.
• 1:25:29
  Speaker 3: Burrell?
• 1:25:29
  Speaker 1: Burrell?
• 1:25:32
  Speaker 4: I needed to be able to drive him around. And
• 1:25:35
  Speaker 4: when he came to visit, he was wearing a showbread shirt.
• 1:25:37
  Speaker 4: And so I was just like, okay, this guy is
• 1:25:40
  Speaker 4: a couple years older than me, has really good taste
• 1:25:41
  Speaker 4: in music. He's the one who introduced me to Comeback Kid.
• 1:25:44
  Speaker 4: And so I was like, okay, I'm going to give
• 1:25:46
  Speaker 4: this a listen. Fully fell in love with it. A
• 1:25:48
  Speaker 4: few years, or no, no, the next year, thanks to
• 1:25:51
  Speaker 4: an ex-boyfriend, I got to stand on stage at Cornerstone
• 1:25:54
  Speaker 4: California in 2007 to watch them play, and they played
• 1:25:56
  Speaker 4: a lot from this album because it had just come
• 1:25:57
  Speaker 4: out a year earlier. It was incredible. I also remember
• 1:26:00
  Speaker 4: wishing I was in the pit with everyone else thrashing
• 1:26:02
  Speaker 4: around because they're so freaking good live. So depressed that
• 1:26:05
  Speaker 4: that is the one and only time I ever saw
• 1:26:07
  Speaker 4: them live, unfortunately. Yeah, I don't know why this album
• 1:26:10
  Speaker 4: hit me as much as it did. As I listen back,
• 1:26:14
  Speaker 4: I definitely think I do enjoy No Sir, their first album,
• 1:26:16
  Speaker 4: more for repeat listens. Like the Saskore, but make it
• 1:26:20
  Speaker 4: Christian kind of thing and how Reese Roper's featured on it.
• 1:26:22
  Speaker 4: But this record still, it's nostalgic to me. It's important
• 1:26:26
  Speaker 4: to me lyrically. It's like this concept album of like
• 1:26:30
  Speaker 4: comparing humans to reptiles and how we're like cold hearted,
• 1:26:33
  Speaker 4: but like Jesus makes us like alive, you know, very
• 1:26:36
  Speaker 4: like Christian, but very showbread because it's concept albums, lots of.
• 1:26:40
  Speaker 4: references to horror movies and things like that, and the
• 1:26:43
  Speaker 4: love song about eating his wife, which is hilarious, and
• 1:26:46
  Speaker 4: how now their love is the living dead. It's just
• 1:26:48
  Speaker 4: a lot of clever songwriting from Josh Dyes and company.
• 1:26:52
  Speaker 4: My favorite tracks are Oa Metaphobia and Dinosaur Bones, and
• 1:26:54
  Speaker 4: then The Age of Reptiles, Age of Insects at the end.
• 1:26:57
  Speaker 4: Love this album. I know it might be a hot
• 1:26:59
  Speaker 4: take because it's like a lot of people did not
• 1:27:02
  Speaker 4: like it compared to Nihilism, but I love it. It's
• 1:27:06
  Speaker 4: A plus for me.
• 1:27:08
  Speaker 2: Oh, okay. I will also put this in an A +. Yes!
• 1:27:12
  Speaker 2: I think this record, it gets bad rap because it
• 1:27:16
  Speaker 2: is definitely a departure from Noser. But I like it nonetheless.
• 1:27:24
  Speaker 2: Just about every song sticks with me. Pachycephalosaurus, I love
• 1:27:28
  Speaker 2: that song in particular for some reason. And I don't
• 1:27:32
  Speaker 2: know why that song in particular I like so much
• 1:27:35
  Speaker 2: more than all the other songs on the record. But
• 1:27:37
  Speaker 2: I do. I believe this record was produced by Sylvia Massey. Right.
• 1:27:45
  Speaker 2: I don't know if you guys are familiar with Sylvia Massey,
• 1:27:49
  Speaker 2: but she was like, he's like one of the most
• 1:27:51
  Speaker 2: like important, uh, producers in like the nineties, especially.
• 1:27:55
  Speaker 1: Yeah. I mean, she like, she produced system, Johnny cash, red,
• 1:28:00
  Speaker 1: hot chili peppers, which we, you know, we, we don't
• 1:28:02
  Speaker 1: need to mention them anymore, but as we talked about last.
• 1:28:06
  Speaker 2: Time, um, And I think that shows through. But it's
• 1:28:11
  Speaker 2: clear that the pop sensibilities and kind of the pop
• 1:28:15
  Speaker 2: punk-ish kind of sensibilities of this record, not necessarily like
• 1:28:19
  Speaker 2: pop punk, but like there's like– it's definitely more pop rock.
• 1:28:26
  Speaker 2: And punk.
• 1:28:26
  Speaker 4: Compared to the first, sure.
• 1:28:28
  Speaker 2: Yeah, compared to No Sir, right?
• 1:28:29
  Speaker 1: Yeah.
• 1:28:29
  Speaker 2: It's not pop punk, but it's more pop and it's
• 1:28:31
  Speaker 2: more punk.
• 1:28:32
  Speaker 1: Sure, yeah.
• 1:28:32
  Speaker 4: It's like they were doing the whole Raw Rock thing,
• 1:28:35
  Speaker 4: you know?
• 1:28:35
  Speaker 1: Right, right.
• 1:28:36
  Speaker 4: And that super shines through on this record.
• 1:28:38
  Speaker 2: Yes, yes. yes, yes. So, yeah, I love this record.
• 1:28:43
  Speaker 2: I'd put it an A +.
• 1:28:45
  Speaker 4: Yep.
• 1:28:46
  Speaker 1: To piggyback off of that, Cullen, so I talked to
• 1:28:49
  Speaker 1: Josh about this album this year, a couple months ago.
• 1:28:55
  Speaker 1: And along those, because I brought that up about like
• 1:28:58
  Speaker 1: the pop punk kind of sensibility, like it does kind
• 1:29:00
  Speaker 1: of feel like a little bit more accessible, if that's
• 1:29:04
  Speaker 1: the right word, than nihilism. And so I brought that
• 1:29:08
  Speaker 1: up to Josh and he found that interesting in terms
• 1:29:12
  Speaker 1: of like, he found there's kind of a weird dynamic
• 1:29:16
  Speaker 1: of the reflection of how he thinks about that. One
• 1:29:18
  Speaker 1: of which is, he understands why it sounds more accessible
• 1:29:24
  Speaker 1: from a listener's standpoint. In his mind, from a songwriter standpoint,
• 1:29:31
  Speaker 1: he thought he was going more inaccessible or, or what
• 1:29:35
  Speaker 1: he thought was like, it seemed to be more inaccessible because,
• 1:29:38
  Speaker 1: because he, what I asked him was like, what were
• 1:29:41
  Speaker 1: the bands or like, what were the artists you were
• 1:29:43
  Speaker 1: listening to at this time that were influencing the sound
• 1:29:45
  Speaker 1: of this album? And he was like, Oh, we were
• 1:29:47
  Speaker 1: all in like flaming lips territory at that time. So
• 1:29:51
  Speaker 1: while they're still coming out of this Refused vibe from Nihilism,
• 1:29:56
  Speaker 1: which he's talked on this podcast before about how Refused
• 1:29:59
  Speaker 1: was super influential on Nihilism, he and the rest of
• 1:30:04
  Speaker 1: the band were really listening to a lot of Flaming Lips.
• 1:30:07
  Speaker 1: And so to me, for him, it was more of
• 1:30:10
  Speaker 1: this thing where it's like, oh, we're getting more inaccessible
• 1:30:12
  Speaker 1: because we're trying to do this weird Refused Flaming Lips thing,
• 1:30:16
  Speaker 1: which in his mind was like, that's super inaccessible. But
• 1:30:19
  Speaker 1: when you listen back to it, it's like, all right,
• 1:30:21
  Speaker 1: there's kind of this weird pop punk vibe that happens
• 1:30:24
  Speaker 1: out of that kind of creation of that kind of
• 1:30:28
  Speaker 1: like monster child of Flaming Lips and Refuse. So I
• 1:30:32
  Speaker 1: don't know. Like, I love the album. I think there's
• 1:30:35
  Speaker 1: certainly some songs that I really still enjoy quite a bit.
• 1:30:38
  Speaker 1: It does kind of have more of that pop punk vibe,
• 1:30:41
  Speaker 1: in my opinion, than Nihilism. I think I still like
• 1:30:44
  Speaker 1: Nihilism more. And I think the last time we did
• 1:30:46
  Speaker 1: this kind of thing in 2004 with Nihilism, I think
• 1:30:49
  Speaker 1: we gave that album an A, Cullen, if I remember right.
• 1:30:54
  Speaker 1: And I think I don't quite remember right if I
• 1:30:57
  Speaker 1: like gave that album personally a B or an A.
• 1:31:01
  Speaker 1: But at least this album to me feels like a
• 1:31:03
  Speaker 1: strong B, like probably a B plus. So I know
• 1:31:06
  Speaker 1: you two gave it a strong A plus. I think
• 1:31:09
  Speaker 1: it's a strong B plus for me. So that's where
• 1:31:11
  Speaker 1: I put it in.
• 1:31:14
  Speaker 3: Yeah, I agree that I don't like this one as
• 1:31:17
  Speaker 3: much as No Certain Nihilism isn't practical, but this is
• 1:31:20
  Speaker 3: actually the album that got me into Showbread, specifically Oh,
• 1:31:24
  Speaker 3: I'm a Tephobia. I just love that song so much.
• 1:31:27
  Speaker 3: I still love it so much to this day.
• 1:31:29
  Speaker 1: Very good.
• 1:31:30
  Speaker 3: Yeah, the entire album is just fantastic. I don't think
• 1:31:33
  Speaker 3: it's necessarily as cohesive, maybe, as their other works, but
• 1:31:39
  Speaker 3: it's still.
• 1:31:41
  Speaker 3: And like there are parts for me where it just
• 1:31:43
  Speaker 3: doesn't necessarily come together. So it's probably is a solid
• 1:31:48
  Speaker 3: B album for me, but like, I still have such
• 1:31:51
  Speaker 3: a soft spot for this one.
• 1:31:53
  Speaker 1: Yeah, that's fair. All right. So we got a solid B,
• 1:31:58
  Speaker 1: got a B plus two, a plus pluses. Uh, the,
• 1:32:04
  Speaker 1: Either that puts a B plus or a minus.
• 1:32:07
  Speaker 2: I'd be a regular A, so I'm going to say
• 1:32:10
  Speaker 2: it's probably an A minus.
• 1:32:12
  Speaker 4: I'm okay with an A minus.
• 1:32:15
  Speaker 1: How do you feel about that, Lindsay?
• 1:32:17
  Speaker 3: I feel, I would put, yeah, because I would probably
• 1:32:20
  Speaker 3: put it like a B plus A minus for me personally.
• 1:32:22
  Speaker 3: So I think that that's great.
• 1:32:23
  Speaker 1: Okay. All right, and I think if I remember right,
• 1:32:27
  Speaker 1: on the right is worse.
• 1:32:30
  Speaker 4: Yeah.
• 1:32:30
  Speaker 1: So we're making it, we are saying that it's not
• 1:32:33
  Speaker 1: as good as Watashiwa?
• 1:32:35
  Speaker 2: Yes.
• 1:32:37
  Speaker 4: I mean, that's what Cole, I would disagree, but I'm
• 1:32:41
  Speaker 4: happy with it in the A tier. I'll just be
• 1:32:43
  Speaker 4: happy with that.
• 1:32:44
  Speaker 1: I'm actually really fine with kind of putting them as
• 1:32:47
  Speaker 1: a toss-up. I think they're both kind of right in
• 1:32:49
  Speaker 1: that vein with each other, so that's fine with me.
• 1:32:52
  Speaker 1: All right, great. Uh, the next one is My Island
• 1:32:56
  Speaker 1: by Star Flyer 59. Another album. I'm very curious to
• 1:33:00
  Speaker 1: hear what you all have to say. Uh, if I may, I'll,
• 1:33:03
  Speaker 1: I'll go first for this one. Cause I don't have
• 1:33:05
  Speaker 1: too much to say about this. This is the first
• 1:33:08
  Speaker 1: Star Flyer I had ever heard. By this point, they'd
• 1:33:11
  Speaker 1: been around for like over 10 years, probably close to
• 1:33:13
  Speaker 1: 15 years at this point. Uh, so they had been
• 1:33:15
  Speaker 1: around for a while. I had never really listened to
• 1:33:17
  Speaker 1: Star Flyer at this point. I had, I known of, uh,
• 1:33:20
  Speaker 1: Jason Martin, uh, and the Martin Brothers and all of
• 1:33:24
  Speaker 1: their music. But it just hadn't really like dove into
• 1:33:27
  Speaker 1: Star Flyer. I will say like as a 11, 12
• 1:33:31
  Speaker 1: year old when this came out, like this is just
• 1:33:33
  Speaker 1: like not the music that an 11 or 12 year
• 1:33:36
  Speaker 1: old would ever listen to ever. It doesn't matter if
• 1:33:38
  Speaker 1: it was Christian or not. And so I just like
• 1:33:41
  Speaker 1: didn't really have any connection to it other than the
• 1:33:43
  Speaker 1: fact that I really do. And I still listen to
• 1:33:46
  Speaker 1: it quite a bit. I loved I Win off of
• 1:33:49
  Speaker 1: this album. Again, it was the first introduction I had
• 1:33:52
  Speaker 1: ever had to Star Flyer. And even as like an
• 1:33:55
  Speaker 1: 11 or 12 year old, I remember it feeling like
• 1:33:57
  Speaker 1: really catchy. The rest of the album was sort of like, eh,
• 1:34:00
  Speaker 1: I could do without. And so when it came out
• 1:34:04
  Speaker 1: in 2006, I, again, really liked I Win. That was
• 1:34:08
  Speaker 1: about it. The rest of the album was kind of eh.
• 1:34:12
  Speaker 1: I will say like coming back to it now, listening
• 1:34:14
  Speaker 1: to it now, I just like, it is so Star Flyer.
• 1:34:17
  Speaker 1: It's like, it's, it's kind of all the things you
• 1:34:20
  Speaker 1: want out of Star Flyer. And obviously there's been so many,
• 1:34:24
  Speaker 1: like they've released like probably 20 albums at this point, some,
• 1:34:27
  Speaker 1: like some crazy output. But, and it's got like a
• 1:34:32
  Speaker 1: little bit of everything you would ever want out of
• 1:34:33
  Speaker 1: Star Flyer. And so because of that, like, like even
• 1:34:36
  Speaker 1: in the Star Flyer discography, it's probably like, to me,
• 1:34:39
  Speaker 1: it's like a B tier. I'm curious, Cullen, what you
• 1:34:41
  Speaker 1: would have to say, because I know you're such a
• 1:34:43
  Speaker 1: Star Flyer fan, but. I would say for me, it's
• 1:34:45
  Speaker 1: like a B tier with where it's at now. And
• 1:34:48
  Speaker 1: I would say even like in the Star Flyer kind
• 1:34:50
  Speaker 1: of tiering of stuff, it's probably a B tier. So
• 1:34:53
  Speaker 1: that's where I put it, B tier.
• 1:34:56
  Speaker 2: It's interesting you say that, Mason. I think this is
• 1:34:57
  Speaker 2: the worst Star Flyer record. Wow. Yeah, I don't.
• 1:35:02
  Speaker 1: Which is still probably a pretty good album, to be honest.
• 1:35:04
  Speaker 2: It's still a very good album, but it's just not
• 1:35:07
  Speaker 2: something that like speaks to me in the same way that,
• 1:35:09
  Speaker 2: you know, the 10 record, or sorry, the nine records
• 1:35:12
  Speaker 2: that came before this did, you know? or the eight
• 1:35:16
  Speaker 2: or nine that came after this one did. It felt
• 1:35:23
  Speaker 2: very just kind of phoned in, to be honest. And
• 1:35:26
  Speaker 2: I know some people say that, well, that's every Star
• 1:35:29
  Speaker 2: Flyer record. But if you listen to Star Flyer, you
• 1:35:34
  Speaker 2: kind of hear what's behind the surface a little bit
• 1:35:37
  Speaker 2: more after a while, right? This record, I never got that.
• 1:35:41
  Speaker 2: This record, I felt like I was like, listening to
• 1:35:44
  Speaker 2: a band that was trying to be a classic rock project.
• 1:35:50
  Speaker 2: It's kind of hard to explain. Uh, I don't know.
• 1:35:55
  Speaker 2: It just seems like, I think the reason I liked
• 1:35:58
  Speaker 2: records after this one in particular from star flyers, because
• 1:36:01
  Speaker 2: this was the last one where Jason Martin, everything like
• 1:36:05
  Speaker 2: that was, was continuing to, um, tour. After this, they
• 1:36:13
  Speaker 2: no longer tour. So they became a studio situation after
• 1:36:16
  Speaker 2: this record and it becomes a much more fun, experimental,
• 1:36:22
  Speaker 2: cohesive thing after this record. I want to like it,
• 1:36:27
  Speaker 2: but I just don't love it. I'm going to put
• 1:36:30
  Speaker 2: it at a high C.
• 1:36:33
  Speaker 1: Oh, okay.
• 1:36:36
  Speaker 4: That makes me feel better. Lindsay, you go first.
• 1:36:39
  Speaker 3: Oh, so I actually, I have not listened to much
• 1:36:42
  Speaker 3: Starfire and I'm really sorry about that. I know that
• 1:36:45
  Speaker 3: they are a very important band to very many people,
• 1:36:47
  Speaker 3: but also I listened to this one right after I
• 1:36:49
  Speaker 3: listened to FM static. And at that point, like the
• 1:36:53
  Speaker 3: scam phone calls I get from those different tax companies
• 1:36:58
  Speaker 3: over music would have sounded better than FM static. So like,
• 1:37:01
  Speaker 3: this was fantastic. I loved it, but like, yeah. Um,
• 1:37:06
  Speaker 3: I would probably put this at like a B it's
• 1:37:09
  Speaker 3: one that I wish I would have listened to closer,
• 1:37:11
  Speaker 3: but it was like above a B. Yeah.
• 1:37:17
  Speaker 4: What Lindsay just said is pretty much my exact take
• 1:37:20
  Speaker 4: that it's one. I wish I would have listened to closer.
• 1:37:22
  Speaker 4: Like I was driving like on the way. Uh, well,
• 1:37:25
  Speaker 4: my friend was driving on the way to a show
• 1:37:27
  Speaker 4: in the Bay and normally like their, their other stuff,
• 1:37:31
  Speaker 4: it's like super shoegazy. And then they have like, kind
• 1:37:33
  Speaker 4: of post-punk tracks. And I think I was waiting for
• 1:37:36
  Speaker 4: like one of those two vibes and they kind of
• 1:37:38
  Speaker 4: just stayed in this weird middle ground and didn't like
• 1:37:40
  Speaker 4: pick a lane. And I wasn't, I just, it just
• 1:37:43
  Speaker 4: didn't click for me. And I was like, Oh no,
• 1:37:45
  Speaker 4: Colin's going to hate me.
• 1:37:47
  Speaker 2: Did either of you feel like it sounded almost like
• 1:37:49
  Speaker 2: it was trying to be a classic rock album?
• 1:37:52
  Speaker 4: I did not get that vibe.
• 1:37:54
  Speaker 2: When I listened to it, that's all I can think of.
• 1:37:57
  Speaker 2: That's all I can think of.
• 1:37:58
  Speaker 4: I wasn't listening to it with that in mind. To me,
• 1:38:01
  Speaker 4: it was just like, it's clear he's a good songwriter.
• 1:38:05
  Speaker 4: I'd gotten to Starfire way too late, like never even
• 1:38:08
  Speaker 4: got into them, into them. Like you guys, same, same
• 1:38:10
  Speaker 4: with Lindsay. Like they just kind of missed me. I,
• 1:38:12
  Speaker 4: I think if I would have gotten into them either
• 1:38:15
  Speaker 4: earlier or way, way later, I've been like, oh my gosh,
• 1:38:17
  Speaker 4: Christian Shoegaze. But this, yeah, I don't know. I win
• 1:38:20
  Speaker 4: just like when you said Mason, that track is solid.
• 1:38:22
  Speaker 4: That track is catchy, but I cannot think of a
• 1:38:25
  Speaker 4: single other. I also didn't take a ton of notes either, but, um, yeah,
• 1:38:29
  Speaker 4: I probably need to listen to it again i'm just
• 1:38:31
  Speaker 4: not sure it didn't make me eager to put it
• 1:38:33
  Speaker 4: on again and i was kind of surprised i think
• 1:38:34
  Speaker 4: i expected more from him because i was so pleasantly
• 1:38:37
  Speaker 4: surprised with other albums that i've listened to through the
• 1:38:39
  Speaker 4: first time i'm like where was this my whole life
• 1:38:42
  Speaker 4: i didn't feel that about this one so i put
• 1:38:43
  Speaker 4: it at a b minus.
• 1:38:47
  Speaker 1: So for me, B. Cullen, you said C?
• 1:38:50
  Speaker 3: Yep.
• 1:38:51
  Speaker 1: Lindsay, you said what? B. B. And then Meg, you
• 1:38:57
  Speaker 1: said C.
• 1:38:58
  Speaker 2: Plus kind of?
• 1:39:00
  Speaker 4: B minus.
• 1:39:00
  Speaker 1: B minus. All right. So we got three Bs then,
• 1:39:04
  Speaker 1: even B minus. But then we've got one C. So
• 1:39:09
  Speaker 1: for Star Flyer, we've got... I would say probably in
• 1:39:14
  Speaker 1: the lower end of B then.
• 1:39:16
  Speaker 2: Yeah.
• 1:39:17
  Speaker 1: Does that sound right?
• 1:39:18
  Speaker 3: Yeah.
• 1:39:19
  Speaker 1: Would we say it actually is worse than Sullivan's?
• 1:39:22
  Speaker 3: Yes.
• 1:39:22
  Speaker 2: I would say it's probably better than Sullivan personally, but
• 1:39:25
  Speaker 2: that's just me.
• 1:39:26
  Speaker 1: How do you feel about that, Meg?
• 1:39:29
  Speaker 4: I think I would have to listen to it again.
• 1:39:32
  Speaker 4: I think I would put Sullivan higher, but I'm actually
• 1:39:34
  Speaker 4: not that opinionated about this one.
• 1:39:36
  Speaker 1: Lindsay, you said it's fine with over Sullivan?
• 1:39:40
  Speaker 3: Yeah, I think so.
• 1:39:41
  Speaker 1: Okay.
• 1:39:42
  Speaker 3: All right.
• 1:39:42
  Speaker 1: So we'll put it over Sullivan, but it's going to
• 1:39:44
  Speaker 1: be right there. Again, we've got a nice little bell
• 1:39:46
  Speaker 1: curve going on. I like when I see a nice
• 1:39:48
  Speaker 1: bell curve.
• 1:39:49
  Speaker 3: We're about to ruin it.
• 1:39:49
  Speaker 1: We're about to ruin it so bad. I feel I
• 1:39:51
  Speaker 1: like a good bell curve. All right. The next album,
• 1:39:57
  Speaker 1: September 26, 2006. I got to say, just in the
• 1:40:04
  Speaker 1: same vein as Define the Great Line, we have... It's
• 1:40:07
  Speaker 1: not 1979, is it? We have one of the greatest
• 1:40:11
  Speaker 1: albums of all time.
• 1:40:12
  Speaker 2: This came out in September of 1979, right?
• 1:40:14
  Speaker 3: That's when I saw Terrible Crash.
• 1:40:18
  Speaker 1: Totally different album.
• 1:40:20
  Speaker 2: Oh, okay.
• 1:40:21
  Speaker 4: Totally different album I was like I know he's making a.
• 1:40:23
  Speaker 1: Joke but I was just I was just hoping great
• 1:40:25
  Speaker 1: joke Cullen great joke I.
• 1:40:27
  Speaker 2: Just I know it didn't fit but.
• 1:40:29
  Speaker 3: I wanted it to it was 1879 it was 1879
• 1:40:31
  Speaker 3: get your.
• 1:40:32
  Speaker 1: Facts straight 1879 yeah if you really knew your shit Cullen.
• 1:40:35
  Speaker 2: I don't know my shit.
• 1:40:39
  Speaker 1: Brother Sister by Me Without You again I'm sure all
• 1:40:44
  Speaker 1: of us can say a lot of things about this
• 1:40:45
  Speaker 1: album I don't want to be the first one because
• 1:40:47
  Speaker 1: I feel like I've been the first one here the
• 1:40:49
  Speaker 1: last couple times but Yeah, what do we want to say? Lindsay,
• 1:40:53
  Speaker 1: I'm sure you have lots to say about Me Without
• 1:40:56
  Speaker 1: You and Brother Sister.
• 1:40:58
  Speaker 3: I'm just curious, how many people in this group have
• 1:41:00
  Speaker 3: a Me Without You tattoo?
• 1:41:03
  Speaker 1: I don't have a Me Without You tattoo, but I
• 1:41:06
  Speaker 1: would like one. I have two.
• 1:41:09
  Speaker 3: I have a spider that I added on just because
• 1:41:11
  Speaker 3: of this album to my, like, flower piece. I also
• 1:41:14
  Speaker 3: have a fox right here. But, like, I was just curious.
• 1:41:17
  Speaker 3: This is an album that, like, I could honestly cry
• 1:41:21
  Speaker 3: talking about this album. It's so important to me. I
• 1:41:25
  Speaker 3: talked earlier about how one dark summer is the thing
• 1:41:27
  Speaker 3: that got me into tooth and nail and they had
• 1:41:29
  Speaker 3: paper hanger on there. And I just like everybody, like
• 1:41:32
  Speaker 3: this band was very divisive in my youth group. And like,
• 1:41:36
  Speaker 3: I would just keep playing paper hanger over and over.
• 1:41:39
  Speaker 3: And then I got all of catch first, the foxes.
• 1:41:41
  Speaker 3: And then I got brother sister and, And like, it
• 1:41:44
  Speaker 3: really was like, I don't know which one of those
• 1:41:47
  Speaker 3: is my favorites, because they just keep tying with each other.
• 1:41:51
  Speaker 3: But like, they're like, I don't know if I can
• 1:41:56
  Speaker 3: form a cohesive thought because I love brother sister so,
• 1:42:01
  Speaker 3: so dearly from like the very first early notes of like,
• 1:42:04
  Speaker 3: messes of men and then going like all the way
• 1:42:07
  Speaker 3: through a sweater poorly in it there's not a single
• 1:42:10
  Speaker 3: bad moment on that album like even with the little
• 1:42:13
  Speaker 3: interludes where he has the story of the spider like
• 1:42:16
  Speaker 3: I stopped killing spiders because of that record because I
• 1:42:21
  Speaker 3: thought that there was a point where Aaron Weiss breaks
• 1:42:23
  Speaker 3: down and cries but actually he's laughing at something in
• 1:42:26
  Speaker 3: the studio but I'm like okay this is so important
• 1:42:29
  Speaker 3: to me like so like you know I'm actually looking
• 1:42:34
  Speaker 3: at the track listing right now because, like, literally, it's
• 1:42:40
  Speaker 3: impossible to, like, oh, Porcupine, like, literally everything, everything. I just,
• 1:42:46
  Speaker 3: I can't, I can't form a cohesive thought. It's that
• 1:42:49
  Speaker 3: important to me. It's important enough that I have a
• 1:42:52
  Speaker 3: $ 100 record from you without you because.
• 1:42:55
  Speaker 1: I don't blame you. Don't blame me at all. I
• 1:42:58
  Speaker 1: have a CD on the record.
• 1:42:58
  Speaker 2: So good.
• 1:42:59
  Speaker 4: Lindsay, you can, you can, you should do... You should
• 1:43:02
  Speaker 4: interject then when people share their thoughts. If you have
• 1:43:04
  Speaker 4: other thoughts. Because I know how important this album is
• 1:43:06
  Speaker 4: to you. Because this is one of the first bands
• 1:43:08
  Speaker 4: that me and Lindsay severely bonded over. Like years ago.
• 1:43:13
  Speaker 4: Just being like, oh, there's another human being that's as
• 1:43:16
  Speaker 4: insane about me without you as I am. And that
• 1:43:19
  Speaker 4: was Lindsay. I have two without you tattoos. I do
• 1:43:22
  Speaker 4: have fox for catchers foxes. But I have a bird
• 1:43:24
  Speaker 4: right here. It's supposed to be speckled. This album is
• 1:43:29
  Speaker 4: where my Instagram name comes from. It is where my,
• 1:43:33
  Speaker 4: I think I wrote, I got to scroll all the
• 1:43:35
  Speaker 4: way up here. It is, yeah, multiple tattoos plus the
• 1:43:38
  Speaker 4: URL and title of my college blog spot is both,
• 1:43:42
  Speaker 4: like the title of it was That Light is God.
• 1:43:45
  Speaker 4: The URL is, well, I don't want to say it
• 1:43:48
  Speaker 4: out loud actually because I don't want people to lurk me.
• 1:43:50
  Speaker 4: I kind of want to say it, but it's fine.
• 1:43:51
  Speaker 4: I'll tell you guys later. Anyway, this album, it's embarrassing
• 1:43:54
  Speaker 4: to say, but it's actually not because of how important
• 1:43:57
  Speaker 4: this record is. This is the album that made me
• 1:44:00
  Speaker 4: fall in love with Me Without You as one of
• 1:44:02
  Speaker 4: my favorite bands of all time. When I talk about
• 1:44:05
  Speaker 4: favorite bands, I have other ones that were like come
• 1:44:08
  Speaker 4: and go, but like defining important bands to me in
• 1:44:12
  Speaker 4: forming my views, my politics, my character, like my views
• 1:44:16
  Speaker 4: of humans, like Fiber and Frenzy, Me Without You, Fiddlehead.
• 1:44:19
  Speaker 4: Like those are the, those are the three for me.
• 1:44:22
  Speaker 4: And I liked catchers, the foxes. I knew a few
• 1:44:26
  Speaker 4: songs and it was, it was my, my best friend's
• 1:44:29
  Speaker 4: ex-boyfriend said, Oh, you know, me without you came out
• 1:44:31
  Speaker 4: with a new record. I was like, I only kind
• 1:44:33
  Speaker 4: of know who they are. He was like, Oh, Aaron Weiss,
• 1:44:36
  Speaker 4: the guy who screams on the, on bless the martyr on,
• 1:44:40
  Speaker 4: Oh my gosh, the song Memphis will.
• 1:44:41
  Speaker 1: Be laid waste.
• 1:44:42
  Speaker 4: And I was like, and I was obsessed with like,
• 1:44:44
  Speaker 4: as I just said, I was obsessed with bless the
• 1:44:46
  Speaker 4: martyr that year, just like fell back in love with it.
• 1:44:49
  Speaker 4: And I was like, well, I got to buy it
• 1:44:50
  Speaker 4: now immediately. Um, And so I bought that. It stayed
• 1:44:53
  Speaker 4: in my CD player for months, just devouring the lyrics.
• 1:44:58
  Speaker 4: Every little thing I could look up on the internet,
• 1:45:00
  Speaker 4: like on the songmeetings.com or whatever, just anything. I wanted
• 1:45:04
  Speaker 4: to understand every single thing he ever wrote. And it's
• 1:45:08
  Speaker 4: the most spiritually deep album that is also the most poetic,
• 1:45:17
  Speaker 4: not even an ounce of cliche, in the whole album somehow. I,
• 1:45:21
  Speaker 4: the whole thing is poetry and it just speaks to
• 1:45:24
  Speaker 4: me in a way that like, I don't really know
• 1:45:26
  Speaker 4: what else musically has done musically and lyrically. I, even
• 1:45:29
  Speaker 4: the nice and blue part too. I just like, it's
• 1:45:31
  Speaker 4: really hard to do that. And they did that later with,
• 1:45:34
  Speaker 4: I forget what song it was. It was like January, 1979.
• 1:45:37
  Speaker 4: I think they did a re revamp of that, but
• 1:45:39
  Speaker 4: the nice and blue part too was done so perfectly.
• 1:45:42
  Speaker 4: And to try to do that, to do a callback
• 1:45:43
  Speaker 4: is really, really hard. And they did it absolutely perfectly.
• 1:45:46
  Speaker 4: But Oh, Porcupine is probably is in my top five
• 1:45:50
  Speaker 4: songs of all time. Period. Just like Lindsay, I could
• 1:45:54
  Speaker 4: say more and more, but I just want to say
• 1:45:55
  Speaker 4: that this album was really important to me spiritually, musically.
• 1:46:00
  Speaker 4: It's in my top five albums of all time as well.
• 1:46:03
  Speaker 1: Yeah, that's beautiful. There's not too much to add for me.
• 1:46:09
  Speaker 1: Just a few other points. One is Me Without You
• 1:46:14
  Speaker 1: is one of those bands on Tooth & Nail that...
• 1:46:20
  Speaker 1: And we've already talked about Under Oath. I do think
• 1:46:24
  Speaker 1: even like the OG Tooth & Nail people, if they
• 1:46:28
  Speaker 1: could be as objective as possible, would say if there
• 1:46:33
  Speaker 1: are the two best bands that have ever been on
• 1:46:36
  Speaker 1: Tooth & Nail records, it probably would be Under Oath
• 1:46:39
  Speaker 1: and Me Without You. And obviously now we're talking about
• 1:46:43
  Speaker 1: Me Without You. We've already talked about Under Oath. And
• 1:46:45
  Speaker 1: we're probably talking about the two best albums that both
• 1:46:48
  Speaker 1: of those two have ever released, arguably. And so, yeah,
• 1:46:53
  Speaker 1: I just I think that most people would say that
• 1:46:57
  Speaker 1: Me Without You is one of the best Tooth &
• 1:46:59
  Speaker 1: Nail bands that has ever come on the label. Certainly Brandon,
• 1:47:03
  Speaker 1: the owner of Tooth & Nail, has I think he's
• 1:47:06
  Speaker 1: been pretty, pretty vocal about the fact that he thinks
• 1:47:09
  Speaker 1: that Me Without You is the best band that has
• 1:47:12
  Speaker 1: ever been on Tooth & Nail. Certainly that does not
• 1:47:15
  Speaker 1: mean most popular, best-selling or anything, but it does mean
• 1:47:18
  Speaker 1: it is his favorite and probably likely a lot of
• 1:47:22
  Speaker 1: the other bands' favorite band. It's one of those types
• 1:47:24
  Speaker 1: of bands. So that's one thing I want to mention.
• 1:47:26
  Speaker 1: The other thing is, oh, Porcupine has already been brought
• 1:47:29
  Speaker 1: up by both you, Lindsay, and Meg.
• 1:47:32
  Speaker 3: So good.
• 1:47:33
  Speaker 1: A few months ago, I interviewed Greg about this album.
• 1:47:36
  Speaker 1: Greg is the basis of Me Without You. And I
• 1:47:39
  Speaker 1: asked him about the story about how they got Jeremy
• 1:47:42
  Speaker 1: Enoch on that song. And it was a weird thing
• 1:47:46
  Speaker 1: where it was like literally the producer that they were
• 1:47:49
  Speaker 1: working with on this album was a guy who had
• 1:47:53
  Speaker 1: worked with Jeremy quite a bit with Sunny Day. And
• 1:47:56
  Speaker 1: they were talking about, hey, this is kind of the
• 1:47:58
  Speaker 1: vocal that we're thinking. It doesn't quite work with like
• 1:48:02
  Speaker 1: a female vocal, but we're kind of thinking this kind
• 1:48:04
  Speaker 1: of thing. And he was like, oh, I know the guy.
• 1:48:06
  Speaker 1: And it happened to be Jeremy Enoch. And obviously all
• 1:48:09
  Speaker 1: of those guys had like grown up listening to Sunny
• 1:48:12
  Speaker 1: Day and they were like, that's exactly perfect. And so
• 1:48:15
  Speaker 1: they were like, I think they.
• 1:48:17
  Speaker 2: Did that intentionally. I think they were, I think they
• 1:48:19
  Speaker 2: were like, you know, it kind of sounds like the
• 1:48:21
  Speaker 2: guy from sunny day realistic.
• 1:48:23
  Speaker 1: Uh, so anyway, they were able to get them and
• 1:48:26
  Speaker 1: it's my, my understanding, like Jeremy never even came in.
• 1:48:29
  Speaker 1: He just like went to his own studio, uh, and
• 1:48:32
  Speaker 1: recorded it, send it back. And it was like, perfect.
• 1:48:35
  Speaker 1: And what, what was really interesting, uh, that I was
• 1:48:38
  Speaker 1: asking Greg about, At that point, so this is 2005,
• 1:48:42
  Speaker 1: 2006 when they recorded this album. I would imagine probably
• 1:48:44
  Speaker 1: even up to 2006 when they recorded this. The last
• 1:48:49
  Speaker 1: time you hear Jeremy Enoch scream in an album is
• 1:48:54
  Speaker 1: probably 1996, which is like 10 years prior. So that's
• 1:48:58
  Speaker 1: just absolutely mind-boggling to me that all of a sudden
• 1:49:01
  Speaker 1: now he starts screaming again. That's just super cool to me.
• 1:49:04
  Speaker 1: So anyway, those are a few points I wanted to
• 1:49:06
  Speaker 1: bring up. I just think the world of this album
• 1:49:09
  Speaker 1: it's one of my favorite albums of all time uh
• 1:49:11
  Speaker 1: it's not my favorite me without you about me without
• 1:49:13
  Speaker 1: you album but that's like a high bar uh so
• 1:49:15
  Speaker 1: i'm going to give it a solid s tier.
• 1:49:19
  Speaker 3: Real quick can i just say that i have somebody
• 1:49:21
  Speaker 3: who one time they said that their favorite me without
• 1:49:24
  Speaker 3: you album is the album that they listened to last
• 1:49:27
  Speaker 3: and i feel like that's probably where i land with
• 1:49:29
  Speaker 3: me without you.
• 1:49:30
  Speaker 2: That makes total sense yeah that makes total sense For me,
• 1:49:35
  Speaker 2: this record is not my favorite Me Without You record,
• 1:49:40
  Speaker 2: but it is quintessential. The deist in me loves this
• 1:49:46
  Speaker 2: record for its natural connotations and tendencies to continue to
• 1:49:53
  Speaker 2: be mindful of creation. And that poetic connection especially is very, very, very,
• 1:50:02
  Speaker 2: very powerful to me. While musically, I think this is probably, honestly,
• 1:50:07
  Speaker 2: one of their least impressive, which is crazy because I.
• 1:50:12
  Speaker 1: Know I'm sorry.
• 1:50:12
  Speaker 2: I'm sorry, sorry, sorry, sorry, sorry, sorry, sorry, guys.
• 1:50:14
  Speaker 3: Sorry, guys.
• 1:50:15
  Speaker 2: Even though it's very experimental, I feel like it becomes
• 1:50:18
  Speaker 2: very convoluted at times. But it's still very, very good
• 1:50:23
  Speaker 2: because it has a flugelhorn, and I love the flugelhorn.
• 1:50:27
  Speaker 2: And I'm just really happy it has a flugelhorn on it.
• 1:50:30
  Speaker 2: So I will say that I prefer some of their
• 1:50:35
  Speaker 2: heavier stuff. But I get everything that's going on here,
• 1:50:42
  Speaker 2: and I love it too. So I will say S.
• 1:50:43
  Speaker 4: Colin, you know what's– I can't believe you're– Wait, go ahead, Lindsay.
• 1:50:47
  Speaker 4: I'm going to say all of that and.
• 1:50:48
  Speaker 2: Then say S. I was going to say I can't
• 1:50:49
  Speaker 2: believe– I talked about all the things that I loved
• 1:50:55
  Speaker 2: about it too. But you guys were glazing it like
• 1:50:59
  Speaker 2: nothing else. So I was like, I got to bring
• 1:51:00
  Speaker 2: the horn down a little bit.
• 1:51:02
  Speaker 3: Now I can form cohesive thoughts. Now I can form
• 1:51:05
  Speaker 3: cohesive thoughts, Justin. You're redeeming factors that it has a flugelhorn.
• 1:51:12
  Speaker 3: That's where you land on it.
• 1:51:13
  Speaker 2: Have you heard a flugelhorn before?
• 1:51:16
  Speaker 4: It's rad.
• 1:51:16
  Speaker 3: Convoluted. We're like two pennies on a train track. The
• 1:51:20
  Speaker 3: train crashed into one and then like rolling on. Like
• 1:51:22
  Speaker 3: he didn't just drop one of the most like.
• 1:51:26
  Speaker 2: Pause. Listen to what I said. I said, lyrically, it might... Okay,
• 1:51:31
  Speaker 2: I'll say this. I think if this record came out
• 1:51:35
  Speaker 2: in 1967, Bob Dylan would be trying to figure out
• 1:51:40
  Speaker 2: how he could write a good song.
• 1:51:42
  Speaker 4: Okay, I hear you.
• 1:51:43
  Speaker 1: Okay?
• 1:51:44
  Speaker 2: Lyrically, I think it's one of the greatest albums ever written.
• 1:51:48
  Speaker 3: Yeah.
• 1:51:48
  Speaker 2: Without question.
• 1:51:49
  Speaker 1: All right.
• 1:51:50
  Speaker 4: We'll take it. Colin, you did say something that made
• 1:51:54
  Speaker 4: me remember something I did actually want to say. This
• 1:51:57
  Speaker 4: album is what made me fall in love with them.
• 1:51:58
  Speaker 4: But then I actually, because I was getting into hardcore
• 1:52:01
  Speaker 4: at the same time, like true, like comeback kid, have
• 1:52:04
  Speaker 4: heart hardcore. I went back and started A to B life.
• 1:52:08
  Speaker 4: And then in 2007 and 2008, A to B life
• 1:52:12
  Speaker 4: was my favorite me without you record. And then it
• 1:52:15
  Speaker 4: did this and then it was catch first, the Foxes.
• 1:52:16
  Speaker 4: And then it went back to brother sister. So that
• 1:52:21
  Speaker 4: is a true, that is a true story. But A
• 1:52:22
  Speaker 4: to B life was my favorite for a long time.
• 1:52:24
  Speaker 4: after i listened brother sister because it was heavier so
• 1:52:26
  Speaker 4: i do understand where you're coming from totally so s
• 1:52:29
  Speaker 4: tier obviously it's an.
• 1:52:31
  Speaker 2: Obvious s tier yes.
• 1:52:35
  Speaker 1: Obvious s tier even all right so we've got brother
• 1:52:41
  Speaker 1: sister all right now here's the debate is it better
• 1:52:44
  Speaker 1: than under oath or worse than.
• 1:52:47
  Speaker 4: Yes better than yes it's better but only this much.
• 1:52:52
  Speaker 1: Where do you think colin I would say not better
• 1:52:55
  Speaker 1: than Under Oath, personally. I would say not better than
• 1:52:57
  Speaker 1: Under Oath.
• 1:52:58
  Speaker 4: Lindsay?
• 1:52:59
  Speaker 2: So we're at an impasse.
• 1:53:01
  Speaker 1: But the women in this group say better than Under Oath.
• 1:53:04
  Speaker 3: We're listening to women right now. We're listening to women.
• 1:53:08
  Speaker 2: We listen to women on this podcast.
• 1:53:09
  Speaker 1: We listen to women on this podcast.
• 1:53:12
  Speaker 3: After you said some harmful things.
• 1:53:15
  Speaker 2: Who said harmful things?
• 1:53:16
  Speaker 3: You said harmful things. What? Not like sexist things. What?
• 1:53:22
  Speaker 4: She's just mad that you didn't say, like.
• 1:53:26
  Speaker 2: That I didn't think was the greatest album ever?
• 1:53:27
  Speaker 1: Because you thought the redeeming quality is the fugal horn.
• 1:53:30
  Speaker 2: I'm going to do this the rest of the episode. Well,
• 1:53:33
  Speaker 2: all right.
• 1:53:33
  Speaker 3: Go ahead.
• 1:53:33
  Speaker 1: We're about to talk about Jonesetta's Popularity, which came out
• 1:53:38
  Speaker 1: in October 3rd. So just a few days ago, 20
• 1:53:44
  Speaker 1: years ago, October 3rd of 2006. So Jonesetta's Popularity. What
• 1:53:50
  Speaker 1: do we think about this album? I've got a couple
• 1:53:52
  Speaker 1: thoughts to say, but curious what you all have to say.
• 1:53:55
  Speaker 3: So. Jones and I liked this one a lot. I just,
• 1:53:58
  Speaker 3: I like, it was one where I didn't actually relisten
• 1:54:01
  Speaker 3: to it this week because like I put it on
• 1:54:04
  Speaker 3: and every single note was like, Oh, I listened to
• 1:54:06
  Speaker 3: this one so much. I do not need a refresher.
• 1:54:08
  Speaker 3: I just, I don't know if it's a good quality album,
• 1:54:12
  Speaker 3: but it's a fun album. And so like, I think
• 1:54:16
  Speaker 3: it's a solid B plus album for me. It's the
• 1:54:19
  Speaker 3: one that I want. I loved driving around to this
• 1:54:21
  Speaker 3: album whenever I was in high school and And if
• 1:54:24
  Speaker 3: I throw it on now, I still love driving around
• 1:54:27
  Speaker 3: to it. There's a really weird casino song, which I
• 1:54:30
  Speaker 3: always think is really funny. Whenever Christian bands try to
• 1:54:34
  Speaker 3: talk about the lows of the world, it's always the
• 1:54:36
  Speaker 3: weirdest things ever. But I.
• 1:54:40
  Speaker 1: Like it.
• 1:54:40
  Speaker 3: I enjoy it. It's an enjoyable album.
• 1:54:42
  Speaker 1: So here's what I'll say about popularity. I've listened to
• 1:54:48
  Speaker 1: Honor of Tooth and Nail. I have no idea why
• 1:54:52
  Speaker 1: I'm blanking on his name right now, which is crazy
• 1:54:54
  Speaker 1: because I typically know his name.
• 1:54:56
  Speaker 4: Brandon Ebel?
• 1:54:57
  Speaker 1: Yeah, Brandon Ebel. Why am I... That's crazy. Brandon has
• 1:55:00
  Speaker 1: talked about Jonesetta as one of those bands that they,
• 1:55:08
  Speaker 1: just like from a business standpoint, were convinced was going
• 1:55:11
  Speaker 1: to make a breakthrough and be a big band for
• 1:55:14
  Speaker 1: the label. And it never happened. And... I do think
• 1:55:19
  Speaker 1: for the most part, Brandon's been pretty, pretty smart about
• 1:55:24
  Speaker 1: his sort of way of thinking about the, you know,
• 1:55:27
  Speaker 1: and not to say that like being a business person
• 1:55:30
  Speaker 1: in the music industry means that like, Oh, that band's
• 1:55:32
  Speaker 1: going to be.
• 1:55:32
  Speaker 2: Good or not.
• 1:55:33
  Speaker 1: But it, it does mean that like, you have a
• 1:55:36
  Speaker 1: sense of like, what's going to sell. And Brandon has
• 1:55:38
  Speaker 1: had a pretty good sense. I think about that, especially,
• 1:55:42
  Speaker 1: you know, with his, with, with a number of those
• 1:55:44
  Speaker 1: early albums. And, and he was wrong about this one,
• 1:55:48
  Speaker 1: which is like interesting. Like it's like, it's interesting when
• 1:55:51
  Speaker 1: somebody who's like pretty smart about a business, uh, industry, uh,
• 1:55:55
  Speaker 1: to be wrong about something. And that was like, to
• 1:55:58
  Speaker 1: me was interesting about Jones. That is that he was
• 1:56:01
  Speaker 1: just wrong about them. They didn't end up selling. And
• 1:56:04
  Speaker 1: I don't think it was because of their sound, like the, the,
• 1:56:07
  Speaker 1: everything about their sound, uh, their performance, everything kind of
• 1:56:11
  Speaker 1: made sense at that time. And it just never clicked
• 1:56:15
  Speaker 1: for whatever reason. There were a couple songs from this
• 1:56:18
  Speaker 1: album that I enjoyed. I thought they were interesting. Again,
• 1:56:21
  Speaker 1: this is kind of feels like what maybe the killers
• 1:56:25
  Speaker 1: were trying to do around this time. Like it kind
• 1:56:28
  Speaker 1: of has that like power pop, I think is the
• 1:56:33
  Speaker 1: name of that genre. It kind of has that power
• 1:56:35
  Speaker 1: pop vibe. And that's kind of what I get from
• 1:56:38
  Speaker 1: this album. So there's a few songs that I thought
• 1:56:41
  Speaker 1: were really popular and interesting and fun. But that's about it.
• 1:56:44
  Speaker 1: It wasn't something that felt like it was going to
• 1:56:48
  Speaker 1: be sustainable. Anyway, that's kind of my thought. So I
• 1:56:50
  Speaker 1: would say it's probably a C tier. It's fine, but
• 1:56:54
  Speaker 1: that's about it.
• 1:56:58
  Speaker 4: My take is very similar to Mason's. You love this album,
• 1:57:01
  Speaker 4: don't you, Colin?
• 1:57:02
  Speaker 2: I like it quite a bit. I don't know if
• 1:57:04
  Speaker 2: I love it, love it, but I like it quite
• 1:57:06
  Speaker 2: a bit.
• 1:57:07
  Speaker 4: I'll go real quick because my take is almost identical
• 1:57:09
  Speaker 4: to Mason's.
• 1:57:10
  Speaker 3: Also.
• 1:57:11
  Speaker 4: Maybe it's just me. The album art gives me Bleed
• 1:57:14
  Speaker 4: American vibes.
• 1:57:15
  Speaker 3: Oh, yeah.
• 1:57:16
  Speaker 4: It does.
• 1:57:16
  Speaker 1: Totally. That's a great point.
• 1:57:18
  Speaker 4: The music, nothing like Bleed American. There was nothing super
• 1:57:22
  Speaker 4: special or standout, but a lot of the songs were catchy.
• 1:57:25
  Speaker 4: Some of the songs sounded like, well, they didn't sound
• 1:57:28
  Speaker 4: like it, but it was almost like listening to New
• 1:57:30
  Speaker 4: or Fall Out Boy. I think it would be super
• 1:57:32
  Speaker 4: fun live, but it's not something I would really listen
• 1:57:34
  Speaker 4: to on purpose. There's a couple of the songs that
• 1:57:37
  Speaker 4: gave me Family Force 5 vibes, which again, fun, but
• 1:57:40
  Speaker 4: not super my thing. there's a few songs that reminded
• 1:57:43
  Speaker 4: me of this band house of heroes from like 2008,
• 1:57:46
  Speaker 4: who I really liked. And those songs are my favorite
• 1:57:49
  Speaker 4: ones where they had this, like, I'm not a drummer.
• 1:57:52
  Speaker 4: So I don't know what it's like this, like, like
• 1:57:54
  Speaker 4: that kind of thing. I don't know what that would
• 1:57:56
  Speaker 4: be called.
• 1:57:57
  Speaker 2: Uh, but it's like more like. Almost like a disco
• 1:57:59
  Speaker 2: kind of sound.
• 1:58:00
  Speaker 3: Yes.
• 1:58:01
  Speaker 4: A disco drum beat. Yeah. And those were my favorite
• 1:58:05
  Speaker 4: tracks that I thought were good. Like even the very
• 1:58:07
  Speaker 4: last song, it's like almost this cool block. party drums
• 1:58:10
  Speaker 4: and guitar tones, but the songwriting and vocal melodies were
• 1:58:14
  Speaker 4: a little too repetitive for me. That was harder for
• 1:58:16
  Speaker 4: me to get into. I thought there was a lot
• 1:58:18
  Speaker 4: of solid things in the album, but it was just
• 1:58:21
  Speaker 4: like not quite there for me. So I gave it
• 1:58:22
  Speaker 4: a C.
• 1:58:25
  Speaker 2: That makes sense. I gave this a B I think
• 1:58:31
  Speaker 2: this is a very very good record in terms of
• 1:58:34
  Speaker 2: just a fun pop record that's trying out some maybe
• 1:58:41
  Speaker 2: more experimental kind of sounds for a pop type situation
• 1:58:45
  Speaker 2: and I have to agree with Brandon Ebel like I
• 1:58:48
  Speaker 2: I thought this band was going to pop off but
• 1:58:51
  Speaker 2: this band also kind of came out at a time
• 1:58:53
  Speaker 2: when the Christian music scene was not looking for a
• 1:58:58
  Speaker 2: pop band It was looking for the next under oath.
• 1:59:04
  Speaker 2: And the next under oath was under oath, honestly, with
• 1:59:07
  Speaker 2: Defy the Great Line. And so anything that a pop
• 1:59:13
  Speaker 2: band would have tried to have done in 2006 on
• 1:59:17
  Speaker 2: a Christian label was going to be overshadowed by whatever
• 1:59:20
  Speaker 2: the heavy music band was on that label at that time.
• 1:59:25
  Speaker 2: But I think Lindsay said it perfectly. I don't know
• 1:59:27
  Speaker 2: if it's a great record or if it's a good
• 1:59:29
  Speaker 2: record necessarily even, but it's fun as hell, which kind
• 1:59:34
  Speaker 2: of makes me think it falls in line similar with
• 1:59:39
  Speaker 2: something like a two-door cinema club tourist history kind of situation.
• 1:59:44
  Speaker 2: It's not necessarily a great record, but it's a fun record.
• 1:59:48
  Speaker 2: And putting it on doesn't make you feel bad. Putting
• 1:59:50
  Speaker 2: it on makes you feel maybe a little bit of comfort.
• 1:59:55
  Speaker 2: Because there is that repetition. There is that enjoyable pop
• 2:00:00
  Speaker 2: hook that just keeps coming up. And it's every song
• 2:00:03
  Speaker 2: that kind of has that too. So yeah, I like
• 2:00:06
  Speaker 2: this record quite a bit. It's a B for me.
• 2:00:08
  Speaker 2: I think if you would have asked me five years ago,
• 2:00:10
  Speaker 2: 10 years ago, 10 years ago at least, I would
• 2:00:13
  Speaker 2: have said an A at the very least. But as
• 2:00:16
  Speaker 2: time goes on, things change. Perspective.
• 2:00:21
  Speaker 1: Interesting. Interesting.
• 2:00:23
  Speaker 3: Yeah.
• 2:00:25
  Speaker 1: So wait, where does that put all of us? I
• 2:00:28
  Speaker 1: said B. B?
• 2:00:29
  Speaker 3: I said B. B, B.
• 2:00:34
  Speaker 1: Meg, you said what? C. C, and then I'm C
• 2:00:37
  Speaker 1: as well. B, B, C, C. B, B, B, C.
• 2:00:41
  Speaker 3: B to C life.
• 2:00:42
  Speaker 1: God. C, B, C, B, C. Oh, God. All right.
• 2:00:46
  Speaker 1: I don't want to get demonetized. All right. So I
• 2:00:53
  Speaker 1: feel like we're... Either we're going to be at the
• 2:00:56
  Speaker 1: top of the C tier or low on the B tier.
• 2:00:59
  Speaker 2: I want to say it's bottom of B.
• 2:01:02
  Speaker 3: Yeah. Okay.
• 2:01:04
  Speaker 1: Meg, is that all right with you? Sure.
• 2:01:06
  Speaker 3: All right.
• 2:01:07
  Speaker 2: I don't think it belongs in the same tier as
• 2:01:09
  Speaker 2: Hawk Nelson by any means.
• 2:01:10
  Speaker 1: We still got a nice little bell curve going on here.
• 2:01:12
  Speaker 3: Yeah.
• 2:01:13
  Speaker 1: That's nice, right?
• 2:01:16
  Speaker 2: All right.
• 2:01:16
  Speaker 1: So we got one more album. We ready?
• 2:01:20
  Speaker 3: Yeah.
• 2:01:21
  Speaker 1: We got Dead Poetic, Vices. Released on, oh wow, Halloween
• 2:01:28
  Speaker 1: of 2006. October 31st of 2006. What do we think
• 2:01:34
  Speaker 1: about Dead Poetics' vices?
• 2:01:38
  Speaker 4: I liked it more than I thought I would. Okay.
• 2:01:41
  Speaker 4: I don't know why I never listened to it. I
• 2:01:44
  Speaker 4: loved New Medicines. And then I just, I was listening
• 2:01:46
  Speaker 4: to March Hardcore.
• 2:01:47
  Speaker 3: I don't know.
• 2:01:48
  Speaker 4: I just, I don't know if they didn't push the
• 2:01:50
  Speaker 4: single enough. No idea.
• 2:01:52
  Speaker 3: Yeah.
• 2:01:53
  Speaker 4: But it was like a pretty solid post hardcore record
• 2:01:55
  Speaker 4: for me. And yeah, I don't know. Like apparently I
• 2:01:59
  Speaker 4: looked this up because I was like, what happened in
• 2:02:01
  Speaker 4: between those two records? Apparently they lost a bunch of
• 2:02:04
  Speaker 4: the original members for this album and they got members
• 2:02:07
  Speaker 4: from Demon Hunter and Beloved to come along and help
• 2:02:10
  Speaker 4: make this record. Of course you would know that, Mason.
• 2:02:12
  Speaker 4: The opening track is super solid. The second song I
• 2:02:15
  Speaker 4: think is called Lioness. Maybe it's the third song. Has
• 2:02:17
  Speaker 4: some refused vibes in the guitar lines. And there's like
• 2:02:21
  Speaker 4: really good yelly vocals in the pre-chorus. Like that, that
• 2:02:24
  Speaker 4: might be my favorite song on there. Their biggest song
• 2:02:27
  Speaker 4: paralytic is slow. And even though it builds, it's not
• 2:02:30
  Speaker 4: really my favorite. So there's just interspersed within the record.
• 2:02:35
  Speaker 4: The songs unsurprisingly that I like the best are the
• 2:02:38
  Speaker 4: ones that have more yells, more screams on it. I
• 2:02:41
  Speaker 4: wish it had more like new medicines did, but overall
• 2:02:44
  Speaker 4: it was solid. And I think I want to listen
• 2:02:46
  Speaker 4: to it again to see if there's more standout tracks
• 2:02:49
  Speaker 4: that I didn't C so I gave it a B.
• 2:02:52
  Speaker 3: Okay.
• 2:02:53
  Speaker 1: That seems like a pretty solid rating. I will say
• 2:02:55
  Speaker 1: for me, I definitely liked it just like you, Meg.
• 2:02:59
  Speaker 1: I liked it less than, uh, new medicines, but I
• 2:03:02
  Speaker 1: still found it to be like a sort of enjoyable album,
• 2:03:06
  Speaker 1: a pretty solid album. Uh, Brandon, the vocalists, uh, from, uh,
• 2:03:10
  Speaker 1: dead poetic. Uh, I, if I, I don't remember if
• 2:03:15
  Speaker 1: it was like something in his voice that he was
• 2:03:17
  Speaker 1: like moving away from screaming, uh, But at least from
• 2:03:22
  Speaker 1: what I've seen from interviews, he doesn't scream really at
• 2:03:25
  Speaker 1: all in the album. He definitely will do some of
• 2:03:27
  Speaker 1: the yelling stuff, but he doesn't straight up scream like
• 2:03:29
  Speaker 1: he did in New Medicines, which is interesting. I will say,
• 2:03:34
  Speaker 1: as much as I really enjoy a number of the
• 2:03:36
  Speaker 1: tracks on this album, there are moments where I'm like,
• 2:03:42
  Speaker 1: this would do so well in a certain part of America. Like,
• 2:03:47
  Speaker 1: just this whole album. Like, Cullen and I, like, we
• 2:03:50
  Speaker 1: grew up lifting weights in weight rooms that just, like,
• 2:03:54
  Speaker 1: this album would do numbers. If it would have, like,
• 2:03:59
  Speaker 1: entered into a certain, like, popularity at a certain time,
• 2:04:03
  Speaker 1: this album would have done numbers.
• 2:04:06
  Speaker 2: If they would have gone on tour with Papa Roach,
• 2:04:08
  Speaker 2: we're in great shape.
• 2:04:09
  Speaker 1: They would have done numbers.
• 2:04:10
  Speaker 2: We're in great shape.
• 2:04:12
  Speaker 1: They would have been totally fine. Now, I have listened
• 2:04:15
  Speaker 1: to a number of episodes from, I don't know if
• 2:04:18
  Speaker 1: it was Brandon, but some of the members from Deb Poetic.
• 2:04:23
  Speaker 1: My understanding is they ended after this album, if I
• 2:04:28
  Speaker 1: remember right. So they did the two or three albums
• 2:04:31
  Speaker 1: and then they were done. So they did Vices and
• 2:04:33
  Speaker 1: that was it. So it was one of those things
• 2:04:38
  Speaker 1: where if I remember right, like he got married or
• 2:04:41
  Speaker 1: like he just wanted to move on to the next
• 2:04:43
  Speaker 1: thing in life or whatever. And they just like never
• 2:04:44
  Speaker 1: got back together and it never happened. And like to me,
• 2:04:49
  Speaker 1: it's like it was such a miss for them because
• 2:04:51
  Speaker 1: like the direction they were going in the sound wasn't
• 2:04:55
  Speaker 1: for me. But it definitely would have gotten really popular
• 2:04:58
  Speaker 1: or at least they would have like totally made like
• 2:05:01
  Speaker 1: a good amount of money from it. Because they were
• 2:05:04
  Speaker 1: definitely headed into this hard rock kind of dimension that
• 2:05:08
  Speaker 1: would have done really well for them. But anyway, I
• 2:05:12
  Speaker 1: find a number of their songs on this album pretty good. Again,
• 2:05:16
  Speaker 1: if I remember right, Cullen, a couple years ago when
• 2:05:18
  Speaker 1: we did New Medicines, I think we had it at
• 2:05:20
  Speaker 1: A tier.
• 2:05:21
  Speaker 3: We did.
• 2:05:22
  Speaker 1: I definitely think that this is not A tier level,
• 2:05:25
  Speaker 1: in my opinion. But it's still a pretty solid album.
• 2:05:28
  Speaker 1: So that's where I put it.
• 2:05:30
  Speaker 4: But what did you put it at for the tier?
• 2:05:33
  Speaker 1: Oh, I put it. I'll put it just because I'm
• 2:05:35
  Speaker 1: kind of curious what you all will say. I'm going
• 2:05:37
  Speaker 1: to right now say C plus, but I could be
• 2:05:40
  Speaker 1: willing to change that to a B minus, but I'll
• 2:05:42
  Speaker 1: put it as C plus right now.
• 2:05:44
  Speaker 2: I am also putting it at a C. I love
• 2:05:47
  Speaker 2: the guitar tones on this record, but that's about it
• 2:05:50
  Speaker 2: for me. None of the songs really stand out in
• 2:05:53
  Speaker 2: any meaningful way. I just don't have really anything else
• 2:05:57
  Speaker 2: to say about it. There's nothing that comes to my
• 2:06:01
  Speaker 2: brain other than I like the guitar tones. And I
• 2:06:03
  Speaker 2: think it's mixed really well. It's produced very well. Other
• 2:06:07
  Speaker 2: than that, it's just kind of lackluster in my opinion.
• 2:06:11
  Speaker 2: So I say C.
• 2:06:12
  Speaker 3: I did have notes on this one too. Lioness, that
• 2:06:17
  Speaker 3: one actually kind of drove me crazy because it fell
• 2:06:21
  Speaker 3: into the Christian male trap of I'm really horny and
• 2:06:26
  Speaker 3: it is the fault of a woman. I didn't even.
• 2:06:30
  Speaker 1: Think about that.
• 2:06:31
  Speaker 2: But isn't it though? I know.
• 2:06:33
  Speaker 4: I'm glad you pointed that out because I really liked
• 2:06:35
  Speaker 4: that track musically and did not pay attention to the
• 2:06:39
  Speaker 4: lyrics whatsoever.
• 2:06:40
  Speaker 3: I like, I was like, what's it saying about sex?
• 2:06:45
  Speaker 3: And then I went back and I looked at it.
• 2:06:47
  Speaker 3: I was like, oh, okay.
• 2:06:49
  Speaker 1: I will say out of all of us, Lindsay, you
• 2:06:52
  Speaker 1: do like, and we've done enough of these kind of episodes.
• 2:06:55
  Speaker 1: I do think you're more of the lyric person out.
• 2:06:57
  Speaker 2: Of all of us.
• 2:06:58
  Speaker 3: Yeah, I mean, I have always.
• 2:07:00
  Speaker 1: You definitely pay way more attention to lyrics than I
• 2:07:03
  Speaker 1: think the rest of us do, in my opinion.
• 2:07:05
  Speaker 3: Literally, whenever I was growing up, that was all I
• 2:07:09
  Speaker 3: would do was journal lyrics whenever I was bored. And
• 2:07:12
  Speaker 3: I would just write lyrics on all of my notes
• 2:07:14
  Speaker 3: and stuff. I was always just a very big lyricist.
• 2:07:17
  Speaker 1: Whoa, this is like... I did that too! Okay, I'm
• 2:07:21
  Speaker 1: looking at the lyrics right now. This song for sure
• 2:07:23
  Speaker 1: is like Barlow Girl for dudes with tattoos. Yeah. I'm
• 2:07:28
  Speaker 1: so down.
• 2:07:28
  Speaker 2: Wow.
• 2:07:29
  Speaker 1: Dudes with Hebrew tattoos specifically. Oh, my gosh.
• 2:07:33
  Speaker 4: I agree with Mason. I do think in these podcasts, Lindsay,
• 2:07:36
  Speaker 4: you're really good about picking up on the lyrics and stuff.
• 2:07:38
  Speaker 4: I would call myself a lyrics person, too, because I
• 2:07:40
  Speaker 4: also journaled lyrics in high school and still sometimes write
• 2:07:43
  Speaker 4: them down. But I'm impressed that you pointed that out
• 2:07:46
  Speaker 4: because I would not have.
• 2:07:49
  Speaker 1: Yeah, that's a bummer.
• 2:07:50
  Speaker 2: Lindsay, can I ask you a question?
• 2:07:52
  Speaker 3: Yeah, absolutely.
• 2:07:54
  Speaker 2: Was your journaling of the lyrics due to you trying
• 2:07:56
  Speaker 2: to determine if this band was Christian or not? Was
• 2:08:05
  Speaker 2: it like a litmus test? It was sometimes. Interesting.
• 2:08:08
  Speaker 3: Sometimes I would do it as almost a prayer or
• 2:08:12
  Speaker 3: something too. The last journal entry I think I did
• 2:08:17
  Speaker 3: was maybe Julian Baker's Zipline because of... Like, like, so
• 2:08:24
  Speaker 3: that's where I felt was journaling and with religion. Anyway. Also, Mason,
• 2:08:28
  Speaker 3: you're going to like these next notes on this. I said,
• 2:08:31
  Speaker 3: this band would go hard in 2020 broccoli top gym culture.
• 2:08:36
  Speaker 1: Look, I don't even, we're on Lindsay. It's like, you
• 2:08:39
  Speaker 1: know what gym culture is like. I love it.
• 2:08:42
  Speaker 4: I don't know what broccoli top means.
• 2:08:44
  Speaker 2: Oh, broccoli top. I was about to tell you.
• 2:08:48
  Speaker 4: Lindsay is educating me on all these terms for this podcast.
• 2:08:51
  Speaker 2: You have broccoli tops that go to your school for sure.
• 2:08:54
  Speaker 3: Okay.
• 2:08:54
  Speaker 4: Lindsay, tell me what it means.
• 2:08:56
  Speaker 3: There's an epidemic of guys in gyms who are usually
• 2:08:59
  Speaker 3: like seniors or juniors. They are wearing oversized Jesus shirts
• 2:09:04
  Speaker 3: and they have their hair permed at the top. And
• 2:09:07
  Speaker 3: like it's cropped on.
• 2:09:07
  Speaker 1: The sides, permed on the top.
• 2:09:10
  Speaker 3: Yeah.
• 2:09:10
  Speaker 4: Yep.
• 2:09:12
  Speaker 2: Alpacas. Alpacas. Yeah.
• 2:09:14
  Speaker 3: I need to look this up.
• 2:09:17
  Speaker 2: I can't believe you've never heard of broccoli tops as
• 2:09:19
  Speaker 2: a teacher. This blows my mind.
• 2:09:21
  Speaker 3: They're like little junior asparaguses running around the gym, like
• 2:09:25
  Speaker 3: lifting heavy.
• 2:09:26
  Speaker 2: You know, you know.
• 2:09:28
  Speaker 4: My students are too autistic to have this haircut.
• 2:09:30
  Speaker 3: Yes, that's it.
• 2:09:31
  Speaker 2: 100%.
• 2:09:39
  Speaker 4: I don't think I have a single student with this haircut.
• 2:09:41
  Speaker 1: What?
• 2:09:42
  Speaker 2: That's literally half my students.
• 2:09:43
  Speaker 3: Wow.
• 2:09:44
  Speaker 4: Well, there's like 60 kids in the entire. California is
• 2:09:46
  Speaker 4: way out of this. No, no, no. Not California. There
• 2:09:48
  Speaker 4: are like 60 kids in the whole high school. That's
• 2:09:51
  Speaker 4: the reason.
• 2:09:51
  Speaker 3: Oh, okay.
• 2:09:52
  Speaker 2: Well, I've got 140 kids in the entire high school.
• 2:09:54
  Speaker 2: So it's really not that different to me.
• 2:09:56
  Speaker 4: Okay. Well, now I know. And now you know what
• 2:09:58
  Speaker 4: I'm going to do tomorrow? I'm going to look. I'm
• 2:10:00
  Speaker 4: going to see if we have one.
• 2:10:01
  Speaker 2: Look for the rocket tops.
• 2:10:02
  Speaker 4: Okay. Got it.
• 2:10:03
  Speaker 3: And then recommend Dead Poetic.
• 2:10:05
  Speaker 4: I was about to say.
• 2:10:06
  Speaker 2: Bring it back.
• 2:10:07
  Speaker 4: Dead Poetic.
• 2:10:07
  Speaker 2: Rocket tops.
• 2:10:08
  Speaker 3: Got it. I also thought self-destruct and die would seem
• 2:10:11
  Speaker 3: like it seems like something that my sister's ex-husband would
• 2:10:13
  Speaker 3: post on Facebook to seem deep.
• 2:10:16
  Speaker 2: But narcotic was fun.
• 2:10:21
  Speaker 1: It's like it's like the last like three words of
• 2:10:24
  Speaker 1: like Trump's like true social before.
• 2:10:28
  Speaker 3: Thanks for your attention.
• 2:10:30
  Speaker 2: It comes from a guy that has a profile picture
• 2:10:32
  Speaker 2: that looks like this.
• 2:10:39
  Speaker 4: Next to the song uh distract and die i literally
• 2:10:41
  Speaker 4: wrote it's fine that's all i wrote.
• 2:10:48
  Speaker 1: All right lindsey uh what grade.
• 2:10:49
  Speaker 3: Are you giving it c i'm gonna give it a
• 2:10:51
  Speaker 3: c a c.
• 2:10:52
  Speaker 1: All right c c or b did i mishear that
• 2:10:56
  Speaker 1: c c okay all right so i if i remember
• 2:11:00
  Speaker 1: i i think i said c plus i think lindsey's
• 2:11:05
  Speaker 1: a c And then we have two Bs, right?
• 2:11:09
  Speaker 4: Mm-hmm.
• 2:11:10
  Speaker 1: Is that right?
• 2:11:12
  Speaker 2: I said C.
• 2:11:14
  Speaker 1: Oh, you said C. Oh.
• 2:11:16
  Speaker 4: I'm like B or B minus.
• 2:11:17
  Speaker 3: I don't know.
• 2:11:18
  Speaker 1: So I do think probably like C or.
• 2:11:21
  Speaker 2: It's probably C.
• 2:11:22
  Speaker 4: C or C plus.
• 2:11:23
  Speaker 2: Does that sound right?
• 2:11:23
  Speaker 1: Okay.
• 2:11:24
  Speaker 2: All right.
• 2:11:25
  Speaker 1: So we are at a C. Do we think... All right.
• 2:11:31
  Speaker 1: Do we think it's better than....
• 2:11:34
  Speaker 2: It's the best of.
• 2:11:36
  Speaker 1: The Seas, for sure.
• 2:11:36
  Speaker 4: Yeah, I agree with that.
• 2:11:38
  Speaker 1: Look at this bell curve. Oh, wow. Look at that.
• 2:11:42
  Speaker 1: That's a pretty good bell curve, I'll be honest.
• 2:11:44
  Speaker 2: It's not bad.
• 2:11:45
  Speaker 3: No.
• 2:11:46
  Speaker 4: It's not bad. I could move Jones... Not Jonesetta. I
• 2:11:49
  Speaker 4: could move... What's, oh my God. See, this is how
• 2:11:52
  Speaker 4: much I don't even know the name of this.
• 2:11:53
  Speaker 3: Yeah.
• 2:11:53
  Speaker 1: What do you, do we feel like based on this,
• 2:11:55
  Speaker 1: do you think there's any changes that need to be made?
• 2:11:57
  Speaker 1: Any albums that should be removed at all?
• 2:11:59
  Speaker 4: Potentially Hawk Nelson down and far less up, but I'm
• 2:12:03
  Speaker 4: okay with how it is too.
• 2:12:05
  Speaker 2: Yeah, I would agree with that. I think that would
• 2:12:08
  Speaker 2: make sense. I think, I think Hawk Nelson should go
• 2:12:10
  Speaker 2: down to D and I think that far less should
• 2:12:12
  Speaker 2: go into a, so that Lindsay, what do you, Lindsay,
• 2:12:16
  Speaker 2: what do you think?
• 2:12:17
  Speaker 4: Look how beautiful that is.
• 2:12:18
  Speaker 3: That looks a lot better.
• 2:12:20
  Speaker 1: You like that?
• 2:12:21
  Speaker 2: I'm not worried about the aesthetics. I'm worried about the
• 2:12:24
  Speaker 2: accuracy of it. I think this makes it more accurate.
• 2:12:27
  Speaker 1: We want Hawk Nelson better than Lonely Hearts.
• 2:12:31
  Speaker 2: Barely.
• 2:12:32
  Speaker 4: Barely, yes.
• 2:12:35
  Speaker 1: That's still a nice looking bell curve if you ask me.
• 2:12:38
  Speaker 4: It really is. I think it's accurate like Colin said.
• 2:12:42
  Speaker 1: That looks good to me. There is our definitive objective
• 2:12:47
  Speaker 1: list of 2006 Tooth & Nail albums Uh, I just
• 2:12:52
  Speaker 1: think this is great. I will say, uh, in terms
• 2:12:55
  Speaker 1: of the S tier, I had a pretty good feeling
• 2:12:57
  Speaker 1: that brother sister and define the great line. We're going
• 2:13:00
  Speaker 1: to be up there, uh, which is why I want
• 2:13:01
  Speaker 1: to do this way. I'm not too surprised by the
• 2:13:05
  Speaker 1: eight year. Uh, I am a little surprised by like
• 2:13:08
  Speaker 1: some of the B and C. Like I thought maybe
• 2:13:09
  Speaker 1: those would get like interchanged a little bit more, but.
• 2:13:12
  Speaker 1: I'm also not super shocked by the D and F
• 2:13:15
  Speaker 1: tiers based on knowing what our music tastes are. So
• 2:13:19
  Speaker 1: I'm not overly shocked by this list at all. I
• 2:13:23
  Speaker 1: did think there would be maybe, like, I wouldn't have
• 2:13:26
  Speaker 1: been surprised if, like, for example, if, like, Fair would
• 2:13:30
  Speaker 1: have been in the B tier or something like that.
• 2:13:32
  Speaker 1: But for the most part, like, this kind of list
• 2:13:35
  Speaker 1: is kind of what I thought it would be. I
• 2:13:37
  Speaker 1: don't know if you have any general thoughts on the
• 2:13:39
  Speaker 1: whole list from you all.
• 2:13:43
  Speaker 3: I'm just happy that the FM static is in dead last.
• 2:13:46
  Speaker 3: I think it could be even further down. Same.
• 2:13:49
  Speaker 1: Hell yeah. And by far the most popular album, well,
• 2:13:53
  Speaker 1: I shouldn't say by far, but the most popular album on,
• 2:13:56
  Speaker 1: at least from Spotify numbers.
• 2:13:59
  Speaker 2: Yeah, I wonder which one of these actually had the
• 2:14:02
  Speaker 2: best record sales.
• 2:14:03
  Speaker 4: Oh, you mean for the year that it came out?
• 2:14:06
  Speaker 1: In terms of record sales, certainly Define the Great Line,
• 2:14:09
  Speaker 1: without a doubt.
• 2:14:10
  Speaker 2: Right, right, right, right. Obviously, but I mean beyond that.
• 2:14:15
  Speaker 2: I would bet you that it's, I bet you it's
• 2:14:19
  Speaker 2: actually probably classic crime.
• 2:14:21
  Speaker 1: No, I think Brother Sister was charted pretty high. Look here.
• 2:14:26
  Speaker 1: I'm pretty sure me with, yeah, Brother Sister charted pretty high.
• 2:14:30
  Speaker 2: Well, charting is not what we're talking about. We're talking about.
• 2:14:33
  Speaker 1: Yeah, but charting is based on record sales.
• 2:14:35
  Speaker 2: Not always.
• 2:14:37
  Speaker 1: Not always. Back then it was. Yeah, it was based
• 2:14:42
  Speaker 1: totally on record sales back then. So, Brothers Sister charted
• 2:14:47
  Speaker 1: at 116. I don't think there were really any other
• 2:14:53
  Speaker 1: albums that charted higher than that. Certainly, Classic Crime didn't.
• 2:15:00
  Speaker 1: I don't think there were any others that charted higher
• 2:15:03
  Speaker 1: than that. Maybe Hawk Nelson's. Hawk Nelson's might have.
• 2:15:06
  Speaker 2: Classic Crime only had 4,000 copies sold in that first.
• 2:15:10
  Speaker 4: That's crazy.
• 2:15:11
  Speaker 2: No, sorry, that was the first week. Sorry, that was
• 2:15:13
  Speaker 2: the first week. But that was the record for the
• 2:15:16
  Speaker 2: highest debut record sales in Tooth & Nail history at
• 2:15:18
  Speaker 2: the time.
• 2:15:19
  Speaker 1: That's crazy.
• 2:15:20
  Speaker 4: 4,000, that's it?
• 2:15:21
  Speaker 2: Yeah.
• 2:15:22
  Speaker 1: I do think Smile at the End of the World
• 2:15:24
  Speaker 1: probably eventually sold more albums than Brother Sister, but they did,
• 2:15:29
  Speaker 1: and they did, Smile at the End of the World
• 2:15:32
  Speaker 1: did chart higher than Brother Sister. But I do think
• 2:15:35
  Speaker 1: from a charting standpoint, it was... Uh, under oath.
• 2:15:39
  Speaker 2: Uh, then, uh, smile at the end of the world
• 2:15:41
  Speaker 2: charted at number 75 on the billboard.
• 2:15:43
  Speaker 3: 200.
• 2:15:43
  Speaker 2: Dang.
• 2:15:46
  Speaker 1: Yeah. And then, uh, uh, showbread or album. That was
• 2:15:49
  Speaker 1: the only album that, uh, charted on the billboard for
• 2:15:53
  Speaker 1: the top 200.
• 2:15:54
  Speaker 3: What?
• 2:15:55
  Speaker 2: One nine, one 98 or something.
• 2:15:56
  Speaker 1: I looked this up when I was interviewing them.
• 2:15:58
  Speaker 3: Yeah.
• 2:15:58
  Speaker 1: One 98. And then funny enough, uh, FM stacks was
• 2:16:02
  Speaker 1: one 99. So, uh, so there is that. That's the
• 2:16:06
  Speaker 1: one thing that showbread has got over them. The rest
• 2:16:08
  Speaker 1: of the albums, I do not think charted at all.
• 2:16:10
  Speaker 2: So Smile at the End of the World is.
• 2:16:14
  Speaker 1: The second highest charting.
• 2:16:15
  Speaker 2: Probably number two after Under Oath.
• 2:16:18
  Speaker 1: But I don't know. I wonder if overall sales, if
• 2:16:20
  Speaker 1: Brother Sister ended up selling more overall than Smile at
• 2:16:24
  Speaker 1: the End of the World. But who knows?
• 2:16:25
  Speaker 2: I don't know.
• 2:16:26
  Speaker 1: I don't know.
• 2:16:27
  Speaker 2: I could have swore that charting had to do with
• 2:16:29
  Speaker 2: radio play as well.
• 2:16:30
  Speaker 1: Well, they do now, but in terms of actual album
• 2:16:33
  Speaker 1: sales at that time... it would have been just album sales,
• 2:16:36
  Speaker 1: but interesting.
• 2:16:37
  Speaker 3: Okay. Yeah.
• 2:16:38
  Speaker 2: I don't know.
• 2:16:38
  Speaker 1: Yeah, no, no. Anyway, uh, I think this is a
• 2:16:42
  Speaker 1: great list. I love that there's an actual bell curve.
• 2:16:44
  Speaker 1: I love when they're actually, actually ends up a bell curve.
• 2:16:47
  Speaker 1: Cause it feels like pretty objective. Like if it was
• 2:16:49
  Speaker 1: like all S tier, like that feels like that's like
• 2:16:52
  Speaker 1: not correct. So the fact that we got a good
• 2:16:54
  Speaker 1: bell curve is good. So anyway, well, uh, thank you,
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  Speaker 1: Lindsay and, uh, and, uh, Meg, uh, for once again
• 2:17:01
  Speaker 1: joining us and talking about one of our favorite years
• 2:17:04
  Speaker 1: of music. Maybe one of these days we'll just do
• 2:17:07
  Speaker 1: a solid state one because we got some good solid
• 2:17:09
  Speaker 1: state albums. But anyway, thank you so much. This has
• 2:17:13
  Speaker 1: been great. And yeah, we'll see you. We'll see you
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  Speaker 1: next time.
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  Speaker 2: Love y'all.