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Aaron Stone: My Epic | Furnace Fest 2024 Series · The BlackSheep Podcast: Presented by HM Magazine

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  Speaker 1: We got you.
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  Speaker 2: Today. We got Aaron Stone from My Epic.
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  Speaker 3: Super stoked about this, Aaron, this is like my Epic
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  Speaker 3: is a band that Colin and I have been listening
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  Speaker 3: to for what fifteen years? I mean, so Colan and
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  Speaker 3: I have been best friends for over fifteen years. I
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  Speaker 3: would say my Epic has been a band that we
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  Speaker 3: both have been listening to during the duration.
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  Speaker 2: Of our friendship.
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  Speaker 3: Right, yeah, Like I think Yet has been probably like
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  Speaker 3: that was one of our first albums that we would
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  Speaker 3: listen together, just like driving around in your car, Clin
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  Speaker 3: and we would just jam out to Yet all the time.
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  Speaker 2: I mean, it's still like one of our favorite albums.
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  Speaker 3: And then basically everything that you've put out ever since,
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  Speaker 3: Like I've just been a huge fan of So Aaron,
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  Speaker 3: this is really special for us.
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  Speaker 1: Thank you guys so much. Let's not break the streak.
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  Speaker 1: Let's keep the friendship going. I don't want to, like
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  Speaker 1: you know what I mean, I can't. I can't now.
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  Speaker 1: I feel like I can't drop the ball releasing music
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  Speaker 1: or your friendship might dissolve.
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  Speaker 3: It's a very real possibility. So you know, you better
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  Speaker 3: be like ninety years old and still be making My Epic.
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  Speaker 1: I wouldn't know how to live and not make stuff.
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  Speaker 1: So you know, there's hope, there's hope for us.
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  Speaker 2: All beautiful beautiful.
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  Speaker 3: Well, before we kind of dive into just like history
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  Speaker 3: of my epic and then obviously the new music, I
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  Speaker 3: just want to like, how how's life right now? Like,
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  Speaker 3: you're looking great. You mentioned a little bit ago that
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  Speaker 3: you've lost quite a bit of weight. You're looking great,
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  Speaker 3: You're looking you know, you're probably feeling good.
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  Speaker 2: You got the kid.
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  Speaker 1: Yeah, life, life is very full and abundant. My wife
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  Speaker 1: is the CEO of a nonprofit. She is like employees
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  Speaker 1: all over the country, and so she's really been And
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  Speaker 1: then I have my epic, which is obviously such a blessing,
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  Speaker 1: uh and and massive value to my life that I
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  Speaker 1: still get to do this with some of my best
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  Speaker 1: friends and and keep making like you know, we keep
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  Speaker 1: striving to make the stuff that we're passionate about, and
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  Speaker 1: you know, keep pushing the envelope and always reaching for
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  Speaker 1: something new. And then I've got a daughter, and yeah,
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  Speaker 1: my heal. And then I own a business with another
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  Speaker 1: good friend that i'm you know, I own a video
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  Speaker 1: production business. And then I have a four year old
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  Speaker 1: so like my life, the only negative would be it's
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  Speaker 1: a little too full of great things. And that's not
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  Speaker 1: to say that there's not like I mean, you know,
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  Speaker 1: I've got, I got, there's chaos, there's you know, hard days.
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  Speaker 1: It's not like it's just all easy. But like I
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  Speaker 1: feel like the only negative right now is we're just
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  Speaker 1: a little too busy. So next next month, my wife
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  Speaker 1: and I will celebrate ten years of marriage this year,
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  Speaker 1: and so we're going away for a little taking us abbatical.
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  Speaker 1: We're going to go on a vacation. But it's just
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  Speaker 1: an exciting season, dude, it's exciting. Now I'm here with
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  Speaker 1: Colin and Mason, my old buddies, and I'm couldn't be
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  Speaker 1: more stoked.
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  Speaker 3: All about it, we're all about it. Well, let's talk
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  Speaker 3: just about like history of my epic. You know, how
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  Speaker 3: did you how did you get started? Was this something
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  Speaker 3: where you know, you were just a bunch of high
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  Speaker 3: school friends and we're like, hey, let's start this thing?
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  Speaker 3: Or was it always kind of just your thing and
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  Speaker 3: then you just brought it in other people onto it?
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  Speaker 2: Like, how did how did y'all start?
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  Speaker 1: The high school friends thing is pretty close to the truth.
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  Speaker 1: I mean, I've only played in two bands, and the
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  Speaker 1: one band was I started with my brother and two
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  Speaker 1: of my three of my best friends growing up, and
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  Speaker 1: we went all the way to my senior year of
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  Speaker 1: college and had a pretty decent amount of success at
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  Speaker 1: the college I went to, and like, did a little
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  Speaker 1: bit of touring.
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  Speaker 2: And you went to do you go to Liberty?
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  Speaker 1: No, we don't need to talk about that, since since
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  Speaker 1: you brought it up, it was. It was. It was
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  Speaker 1: an interesting experience and I met some lovely people, and
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  Speaker 1: I probably learned as much about what I wanted my
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  Speaker 1: life to be as much as I learned about what
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  Speaker 1: I didn't want it to be. But I don't easy
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  Speaker 1: lead with it because then people make all these assumptions like, oh,
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  Speaker 1: you're a least kid, so I'm it's true. I'm also
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  Speaker 1: a pastor's kid if you just want to bring up
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  Speaker 1: all the things that will let people put me in
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  Speaker 1: a in a But but I also went to public
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  Speaker 1: school and grew up in the punk rock grunge era,
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  Speaker 1: so so I grew up playing music with my brother
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  Speaker 1: and a bunch of my best friends. We most of
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  Speaker 1: us went to college together, and the one who didn't
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  Speaker 1: went to Virginia Tech, which was closed, and then we
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  Speaker 1: went to Cornerstone my senior year of college, with like,
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  Speaker 1: we're going to get discovered, it's going to happen, and
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  Speaker 1: instead we discovered how far we had to go and
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  Speaker 1: how much more talented people were out there. And my
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  Speaker 1: bassis at the time, he's still one of my best friends,
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  Speaker 1: JOHNO pulled me and my brother aside and was like,
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  Speaker 1: you too need to find other dudes like you. Like
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  Speaker 1: you guys are really like. We would write all the
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  Speaker 1: parts and we were very driven and and my other
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  Speaker 1: friends were super gifted too, but maybe not musically, like
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  Speaker 1: I would teach them their parts and stuff. And he
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  Speaker 1: managed my epic at first, and actually Maddie, who was
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  Speaker 1: original other guitarist, had been in my previous band and
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  Speaker 1: he came over, so it was it was the three
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  Speaker 1: of us, and then I asked a new friend, Jeremiah,
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  Speaker 1: to start, and Jeremiah has been in my epic until
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  Speaker 1: two years ago, and he's still one of my best
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  Speaker 1: friends and lives around the corner. His life just kind
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  Speaker 1: of got a little too full, and secretly we had
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  Speaker 1: a better bass player in the band, which was his
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  Speaker 1: argument was like, you know, Jeremiah's Jeremiah's superpower was like
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  Speaker 1: in his creative taste, sure, but Nate is like god
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  Speaker 1: tear as a musician. And so anyway, we started the
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  Speaker 1: band and Mike when I went like as I I
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  Speaker 1: guess senior in college, we started my epic and it
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  Speaker 1: was my brother and I and Jeremiah, my friend Maddie,
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  Speaker 1: and then we've had lots of member changes over the years,
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  Speaker 1: but that core of me and Jeremiah and Jesse has
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  Speaker 1: stayed the same until about two years ago. And I
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  Speaker 1: also say that everybody who's ever been a part of
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  Speaker 1: the band is still a friend, and most of them
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  Speaker 1: are really close friends. It's just been like life circumstances shifted.
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  Speaker 1: In twenty ten, Jeremiah left for a while and I
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  Speaker 1: grabbed Tanner from a band called A Hope for Home,
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  Speaker 1: who was also on face Down, because we just clicked,
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  Speaker 1: and Tanner and I I have been the you know,
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  Speaker 1: he kind of jumped in the course since then, he
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  Speaker 1: really you know, he wrote Broken Voice with Me and
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  Speaker 1: Behold with Me and that was kind of like kind
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  Speaker 1: of solidified things. And then and then in twenty sixteen
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  Speaker 1: on the tour, you guys were talking about earlier on
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  Speaker 1: the Four to Day's Last tour with Normal Gene and
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  Speaker 1: Silent Planet, we reconnect. Nate was kind of a guy
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  Speaker 1: we'd met on tour in Minneapolis, and we reconnected because
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  Speaker 1: he moved to Atlanta to work at Glowing the Dark
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  Speaker 1: with Matt Goldman, our longtime producer, and he's just the
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  Speaker 1: best hang and so he started hanging and we were
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  Speaker 1: going on that tour and Tanner was like, I can't
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  Speaker 1: go because life was getting busy. You should take Nate
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  Speaker 1: because they were friends. They were actually closer. Nate and
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  Speaker 1: Tanner were closer, and so we spent most of the
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  Speaker 1: last eight years with them kind of tagging out, like
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  Speaker 1: Channer can't do something, Nate does it, Nate can't do
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  Speaker 1: Nate helped kind of helped co produce Ultraviolet, and then
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  Speaker 1: we put him in the band, and which was everybody agreed,
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  Speaker 1: like do you We love this guy. And so for
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  Speaker 1: a while it's been like we've had an extra member
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  Speaker 1: than we tour with, like there's five of us and
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  Speaker 1: that create together. But around this record cycle, like I said,
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  Speaker 1: Jeremiah stepped away and Tanner was able to step back,
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  Speaker 1: step back into it in a new way, like he's
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  Speaker 1: been involved with everything, but he was more involved, and
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  Speaker 1: so this really record was really like me, Tanner and Nate,
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  Speaker 1: which is cool because like we're the three primary songwriters
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  Speaker 1: of the band, Like you know, Jesse, my brother and
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  Speaker 1: Jeremiah and the other guys over the years have been
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  Speaker 1: more collaborators than songwriters, Like you bring them an idea
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  Speaker 1: and they'll help flesh it out. So this record was
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  Speaker 1: like so many things were gonna be new about it,
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  Speaker 1: Like we signed a new label, we recorded it totally different,
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  Speaker 1: we wrote it totally different. But also it was like
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  Speaker 1: my brother was involved as much as he could be.
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  Speaker 1: He helped do a lot of the writing, and he
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  Speaker 1: came to the studio and did a couple of things,
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  Speaker 1: but most of the drums were like Alex from Silent
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  Speaker 1: Planet is kind of our de facto drummer now, and
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  Speaker 1: he said years ago, just if I'm not sound Planet,
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  Speaker 1: I'll be with you guys, like I love the music
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  Speaker 1: you make. And he's toured with us a bunch and he's,
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  Speaker 1: i mean, an incredible musician, an even sweeter dude.
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  Speaker 4: It just it kind of sounds like my epic is
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  Speaker 4: becoming like the Queens of the Stone Age, like the
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  Speaker 4: face down and solid state realm of music.
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  Speaker 1: Oh man, that I'll take any any reference to the
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  Speaker 1: Queen of the Stone Age, will take that fully as
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  Speaker 1: as like a compliment. I mean, you know, we just
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  Speaker 1: like collaborating. We did realize the long time ago we
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  Speaker 1: were more interested in being like a collective of artists
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  Speaker 1: than of being like a band. And so everybody keeps
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  Speaker 1: their you know, their egos at the door, and we
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  Speaker 1: have lots of open, honest communication and I think, you know,
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  Speaker 1: I always say, like we my favorite thing about being
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  Speaker 1: in a band is being in a band is like
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  Speaker 1: being together and collaborating and the friendship and so yeah,
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  Speaker 1: people they rotate in and out, like my brother can't
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  Speaker 1: come to this writing session, Alex is gonna come. And
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  Speaker 1: but like everybody's friends and family, and when we're in
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  Speaker 1: the room, the reason whoever's in the room is in
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  Speaker 1: the room is not only because they're talented and we
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  Speaker 1: appreciate their their artistic ideas, but also they're just a
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  Speaker 1: person we've with and we want, like I want to
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  Speaker 1: hear them. So there's been a lot of transitions, but
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  Speaker 1: like you know, we're going on tour next month, and
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  Speaker 1: Jeremiah is coming along to run merch because he just
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  Speaker 1: wants honestly, He's like, I'll come run merch, but I
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  Speaker 1: just want to hang in the van with the boys.
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  Speaker 1: And so there's a real sweetness after all these years
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  Speaker 1: to like everybody kind of being close.
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  Speaker 3: That's that's cool, that's cool, And it reminds me of
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  Speaker 3: how I've heard why am I blinking Corey Brandon from
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  Speaker 3: Norman Geen, I've heard him talk about Norma Jean in
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  Speaker 3: a very similar way. It's where it's sort of this
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  Speaker 3: collective of musicians. You know, Norman Jean isn't just ran
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  Speaker 3: by like one person like Corey. Now, obviously Corey is
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  Speaker 3: sort of this through line for the last number of
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  Speaker 3: years in a band like Norma Gene and certainly you
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  Speaker 3: are kind of this through line in a band like
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  Speaker 3: My Epic.
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  Speaker 2: But for the most part, it's a.
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  Speaker 3: Super collaborative creative and Denver where yeah, you've got kind
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  Speaker 3: of this like rotation of different people that could be
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  Speaker 3: a part of something at a different at any different point.
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  Speaker 2: But yeah, recording, writing, touring doesn't matter.
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  Speaker 3: Like there's always this constant rotation of getting people and
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  Speaker 3: yet there's still this like commonality or there's still this
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  Speaker 3: like signature sound of my Epic or Norman Gene or
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  Speaker 3: some of these other bands that kind of have that collaborative.
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  Speaker 1: Yeah, for sure. Well, Corey is a friend too, and
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  Speaker 1: he's also like one of the musicians I look up
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  Speaker 1: to the most, Like some of his records as far
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  Speaker 1: as heavy music are some of my favorites. And he's
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  Speaker 1: an incredibly creative dude. He's probably a little different than
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  Speaker 1: me that, like, Corey has such a strong gravity that
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  Speaker 1: if Corey wants to do it, it's gonna happen and
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  Speaker 1: people will get on the train. I need a couple
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  Speaker 1: other dudes to be agreed that we're on the boat together,
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  Speaker 1: like I can't. I can't just piece it together. So
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  Speaker 1: like every now and I look it never felt like this,
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  Speaker 1: but when I look back, it's like every record, I
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  Speaker 1: kind of knew who was on the boat, and I
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  Speaker 1: was we're we're spreading the weight out. And I also say,
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  Speaker 1: our manager, Blake has been with us for about four
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  Speaker 1: years now, and he is like, you know, he helps
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  Speaker 1: get as much done as anybody. But it is that
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  Speaker 1: way in a sense of like I mean again, it's
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  Speaker 1: a joke inside the band, and I wish it wasn't true,
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  Speaker 1: but I know it is that like anybody we could,
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  Speaker 1: we could, we could fill in any position. But me, like,
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  Speaker 1: if people show up for a mypic show and there's
• 11:00
  Speaker 1: one of our friends, like you know Matt from Household
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  Speaker 1: will play drums for us. A lot or other people
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  Speaker 1: have pitched him. No one really, no one that was,
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  Speaker 1: oh that's cool, he's a friend of yours, Like where's Jesse.
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  Speaker 1: Oh he could make it okay cool, But if they
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  Speaker 1: showed up and it wasn't me singing, I think they'd
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  Speaker 1: be mad. So I own that. And I think also
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  Speaker 1: that like everybody who's joined since, like Tanner really set
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  Speaker 1: the well. He was the first guy who we really
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  Speaker 1: added to the band after the initial like founding members.
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  Speaker 1: I mean, our friend Travis was apart for a while
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  Speaker 1: and wrote a record, but like after the band was established,
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  Speaker 1: Tanner was the first guy to join. And he really
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  Speaker 1: at first came in like and almost more like a producer.
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  Speaker 1: Like he wouldn't write, he wouldn't give us riffs, and
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  Speaker 1: I wanted his riffs. I wanted those those tasty tang risks.
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  Speaker 1: But he would like literally sit in the room on
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  Speaker 1: me and Jesse and Jeremiah wrote until and he would
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  Speaker 1: give feedback and stuff, and he kind of he'd hold
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  Speaker 1: his guitar, but I wouldn't go like and then one
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  Speaker 1: hat if I say, if we get stuck, he'd be like, well,
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  Speaker 1: we could do this, we could do that. But he'd
• 11:54
  Speaker 1: never say we could do this and play his guitar.
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  Speaker 1: And it was only like I think one song on
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  Speaker 1: Broken Boy I pulled out of him. But it's only
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  Speaker 1: in the last few years where I've been able to
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  Speaker 1: get him to like give riffs and write songs because
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  Speaker 1: he wanted to honor like what had gotten us there.
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  Speaker 1: He didn't want to mess up the alchemy. And that
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  Speaker 1: kind of set the tone too for all the guys
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  Speaker 1: that have come in, Like Nate was like, well, I
• 12:12
  Speaker 1: want to play in my epic because I think a
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  Speaker 1: lot of the records slap like He's the one who'd
• 12:16
  Speaker 1: be like, dude, we should play poor this. Like I
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  Speaker 1: remember him being like, we should play pour off yet
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  Speaker 1: this record because that song rips. And I'm like, oh,
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  Speaker 1: I appreciate, like you know, like I don't you know,
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  Speaker 1: I'm I don't think of it in that terms, but
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  Speaker 1: like it like to have someone in the band who's like, dude,
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  Speaker 1: let's play that old song that totally rules, Like oh wow,
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  Speaker 1: that's cool. It would feel prideful if it was one
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  Speaker 1: of the original guys. So there is there's a bit
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  Speaker 1: of honoring, and I think too, to be as long
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  Speaker 1: winded as possible, there is like we don't want to
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  Speaker 1: lose the plot. Like every record, we are striving to
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  Speaker 1: make something that's we call it the right amount of different,
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  Speaker 1: Like we want to make something that's new because we
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  Speaker 1: are We are only inspired if it's I don't want
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  Speaker 1: to remake anything, like if people like Hail or lower
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  Speaker 1: Still a Black Light or whatever, great we did too,
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  Speaker 1: That's why we put it out. We wouldn't put it
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  Speaker 1: out if we didn't like it. I don't want to
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  Speaker 1: remake it because I don't want to compete with myself
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  Speaker 1: and I did it, so I'm not trying to go like,
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  Speaker 1: how do I write lower Still again? Like I mean,
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  Speaker 1: when I'm writing Us on a Black lad of course
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  Speaker 1: I'm wanting to write another heavy song. But so it's
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  Speaker 1: like wanting it to be enough different because that's what
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  Speaker 1: inspires us. But also like I don't want to lose
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  Speaker 1: the plot of like the alchemy that kind of we
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  Speaker 1: do get right like, and so everyone in the band
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  Speaker 1: and everyone that we would bring in that we would
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  Speaker 1: respect enough to bring into the writing room and to
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  Speaker 1: part of the team, is someone who is thoughtful enough
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  Speaker 1: to have those things in mind of, like, yeah, how
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  Speaker 1: do we not lose the plot or like change so
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  Speaker 1: much that we're like spitting on what we've done. It's like, well,
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  Speaker 1: that's not going to get us anywhere.
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  Speaker 4: Sure, sure you know that is something I've always been
• 13:44
  Speaker 4: really impressed with with MIAP because that you guys have
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  Speaker 4: I mean, I wouldn't say you've made like small changes
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  Speaker 4: record to record, like they're pretty big changes, like thematically musically,
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  Speaker 4: like the amount of layers you add to each individual song.
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  Speaker 4: I mean like that has changed drastically since since the
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  Speaker 4: early days, for sure, and you do such a great
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  Speaker 4: job of moving that in a different direction. Do you
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  Speaker 4: think that that is because of that collaborative kind of
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  Speaker 4: effort or is that is that more of a of
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  Speaker 4: a conscious effort on your part to try to be
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  Speaker 4: that through line that still wants some different branches off
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  Speaker 4: this main trunk.
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  Speaker 1: I think I think it's a bit of both. I
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  Speaker 1: think that's a lot of the things that's still motivated,
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  Speaker 1: that motivated the integrity is the same in the sense of,
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  Speaker 1: like the beginning, we just wanted to write things that
• 14:35
  Speaker 1: were really honest and and almost like you know the
• 14:38
  Speaker 1: John Prime quote, like songs are just four chords and
• 14:40
  Speaker 1: the truth, like wanting to get to like the truth
• 14:43
  Speaker 1: of something and and really like and say the hard
• 14:46
  Speaker 1: thing that it's hard for me to say, not for hard.
• 14:49
  Speaker 1: I'm not trying to make something hard for people to hear.
• 14:51
  Speaker 1: That's always that's the same. And then I think also
• 14:54
  Speaker 1: like the change, I think the change between every album
• 14:57
  Speaker 1: is is the growth of us as musicians because we're
• 15:02
  Speaker 1: we're getting to we've gotten to grow, we've gotten to
• 15:04
  Speaker 1: put another season under our belt, as well as the
• 15:06
  Speaker 1: member changes and what's inspiring us. So like I always say, like,
• 15:09
  Speaker 1: if you want to know the real difference between Yet
• 15:11
  Speaker 1: and behold, like twenty percent of us is me and
• 15:14
  Speaker 1: Jesse and Jeremiah getting better and knowing what we want
• 15:18
  Speaker 1: to do in a different way or just like being
• 15:20
  Speaker 1: excited by different things, maybe not better, just different. And
• 15:23
  Speaker 1: then the other eighty percent is tanner in the equation,
• 15:25
  Speaker 1: you know, like and and we'd always wanted to have
• 15:28
  Speaker 1: those other sounds, like those layers, but like yet was
• 15:31
  Speaker 1: a conscious decision, Oh we all the ambient stuff we
• 15:34
  Speaker 1: can't do well yet, so let's not try to do it.
• 15:36
  Speaker 1: Because even though we love cigaretes, even though we love Hammock,
• 15:39
  Speaker 1: even though we love those bands or Explosion the Sky,
• 15:42
  Speaker 1: we had more post rocky stuff on our first our
• 15:45
  Speaker 1: first EP because Travis, who was in the band, was
• 15:47
  Speaker 1: great at that. And so it's like what can we
• 15:49
  Speaker 1: do well? It's like a series of circles and like
• 15:52
  Speaker 1: what's the Venn diagram? Like what can we do well?
• 15:55
  Speaker 1: What are we excited about? And so I think there's
• 15:58
  Speaker 1: a progression of every record of like well, I'm listening
• 16:00
  Speaker 1: to new things this time. And and then I think
• 16:03
  Speaker 1: there are times though that the band will tell me
• 16:05
  Speaker 1: you need to write an eron riff here and and
• 16:09
  Speaker 1: that to Tanner and Nate, and I'll say, like I
• 16:11
  Speaker 1: need Tanner to do some Tanner thing, Like.
• 16:13
  Speaker 4: What is it? What is an Aaron riff? I'm curious what?
• 16:15
  Speaker 4: Like like when you when someone says, hey, go rate
• 16:17
  Speaker 4: me an Aaron riff? What goes through your head?
• 16:20
  Speaker 1: They're probably most of a lot of the big the
• 16:21
  Speaker 1: big riffs on our records because there are belts around them,
• 16:25
  Speaker 1: but like they you know, like the riff and hail
• 16:29
  Speaker 1: or the main black Light riff. A lot of times,
• 16:32
  Speaker 1: what they mean when they say that is something that's
• 16:34
  Speaker 1: a little bit longer. The rift doesn't turn around. It's
• 16:36
  Speaker 1: longer before it turns around, and it is not musically
• 16:40
  Speaker 1: Like the joke that Tanner and Nate make is that
• 16:43
  Speaker 1: a guitarist wouldn't write them, like, yeah, they're they're a
• 16:46
  Speaker 1: little bit weird, but it's and I and I don't
• 16:48
  Speaker 1: take it as a shot because I know it's also
• 16:50
  Speaker 1: like what I bring to the table is just a
• 16:52
  Speaker 1: bit of a weird relationship to the guitar, and so
• 16:56
  Speaker 1: like I'm trying to think of it, like even some
• 16:58
  Speaker 1: of the riffs on the new record that our Aaron
• 17:00
  Speaker 1: riffs were like Tanner's, Like I wrote an Aaron riff,
• 17:03
  Speaker 1: Like I was like, how would Aaron write this? And
• 17:05
  Speaker 1: I wrote there's a song on the new record called
• 17:07
  Speaker 1: in the Air and it's almost like ninety percent a
• 17:09
  Speaker 1: Tanner song, which is like a triumph because he almost
• 17:12
  Speaker 1: never does it. He can do it, but he doesn't.
• 17:15
  Speaker 1: But there's a riff in the pre chorse. It's like
• 17:17
  Speaker 1: it's kind of a lead and it's super linear and
• 17:19
  Speaker 1: it doesn't turn around, and it's kind of I don't know.
• 17:21
  Speaker 1: It's to me, I can think of the points, but
• 17:23
  Speaker 1: but they'll know it, and they'll be like or like
• 17:25
  Speaker 1: we were writing this song, spit it out on the
• 17:27
  Speaker 1: last record and verse two, Tanner's like, we need like
• 17:30
  Speaker 1: an I am Undone era Aaron riff. I was like,
• 17:32
  Speaker 1: I would never write that now, but I respect what
• 17:35
  Speaker 1: it is and and I'll go to that place, you.
• 17:38
  Speaker 4: Know, you know, I totally know what they're talking about,
• 17:41
  Speaker 4: and I know what you're talking about because it seems
• 17:43
  Speaker 4: like my epic almost has like a melodic bass that
• 17:48
  Speaker 4: not like an actual like bass instrument, but like the
• 17:50
  Speaker 4: base of the song is a melodic riff that essentially
• 17:53
  Speaker 4: just kind of carries that whole song and and and
• 17:56
  Speaker 4: sends it in a different direction from maybe what would
• 17:59
  Speaker 4: be conventional.
• 18:00
  Speaker 1: Yeah, and the other I have an accidental trump card
• 18:02
  Speaker 1: that I don't like having and I don't mean to play,
• 18:05
  Speaker 1: but I do it all the time, which is like
• 18:07
  Speaker 1: it's not And Jason done a facedown as one of
• 18:10
  Speaker 1: our best friends. He said when we when we propose
• 18:13
  Speaker 1: the broken Voice experiment, which is what it was to us.
• 18:15
  Speaker 1: It wasn't supposed to be perceived as like a full
• 18:17
  Speaker 1: fat my Epic record. He was like, I think, can
• 18:20
  Speaker 1: we get away with this? Like people are paying attention
• 18:22
  Speaker 1: to us because of yet, which was nice. They kind
• 18:24
  Speaker 1: of feel like we have something. But we have all
• 18:26
  Speaker 1: these kind of accidental acoustic songs we wrote for on accident.
• 18:30
  Speaker 1: Can we just put those out? And it also feel
• 18:32
  Speaker 1: like a good project to like let me and Tanner
• 18:34
  Speaker 1: learn to write together. This takes felt lower like people
• 18:37
  Speaker 1: will just they'll give it a pass because it's not
• 18:38
  Speaker 1: a full my Epic record. But Jason was like, I think,
• 18:41
  Speaker 1: as long as you write the melodies and the lyrics,
• 18:43
  Speaker 1: people are gonna think it's my epic and and that's
• 18:46
  Speaker 1: felt true. And so the accidental trump card is like
• 18:48
  Speaker 1: they can write cool stuff, but if I can't, if
• 18:51
  Speaker 1: I can't get excited about it in the right way
• 18:53
  Speaker 1: to want to spend hundreds of hours and figure out
• 18:55
  Speaker 1: the melody, Like sometimes I'll be like there was a
• 18:57
  Speaker 1: huge north Star used to end totally differently, and it
• 19:00
  Speaker 1: was very cool. It was arguably cooler. It was way
• 19:03
  Speaker 1: darker and I just but like thematically, I just couldn't
• 19:06
  Speaker 1: get myself there. I was like, dude, this is a
• 19:08
  Speaker 1: this part sounds like a violence better than violent, like
• 19:11
  Speaker 1: like progress, but I'm not there. I can't write that.
• 19:14
  Speaker 1: We have to change it, and Tanner's like fair it
• 19:16
  Speaker 1: was Tanner was the one who was in love with
• 19:18
  Speaker 1: the riff and we were all like, yeah, it's cool.
• 19:20
  Speaker 1: No one disagrees, but like, I can't make it happen,
• 19:22
  Speaker 1: and he's like, yeah, okay, then we'll change it. Like so,
• 19:25
  Speaker 1: I think there's also that like that is an accidental backbone.
• 19:29
  Speaker 1: There's a consciousness, but there's also a subconsciousness that something
• 19:32
  Speaker 1: has to excite me enough to want to spend copious
• 19:34
  Speaker 1: amounts of time on it, and it has to hit
• 19:36
  Speaker 1: me in the right way for that season to want
• 19:38
  Speaker 1: to write on it.
• 19:39
  Speaker 4: Yeah, I feel that.
• 19:42
  Speaker 3: I've heard Andy from a Plea for Purgings say that
• 19:45
  Speaker 3: my Epic is the heaviest band that's been on Face Down.
• 19:50
  Speaker 3: And you know, if if anybody knows anything about Face Down,
• 19:52
  Speaker 3: it's like primarily metal bands, a lot of metal core
• 19:54
  Speaker 3: bands and hardcore bands, so it's like it's meant to
• 19:57
  Speaker 3: be an extremely heavy label, and then every now and
• 20:01
  Speaker 3: then you'll get a band like My Epic or a
• 20:02
  Speaker 3: Hope for Home that are just a little different. And
• 20:05
  Speaker 3: yet regardless, Andy has said that My Epic is the
• 20:10
  Speaker 3: heaviest ban on face down, or was the heaviest band
• 20:14
  Speaker 3: on facedown, And like, when when I hear you talk
• 20:17
  Speaker 3: about Aaron Riffs, Like, would you say that that when
• 20:20
  Speaker 3: you hear someone like Andy say that My Epics is
• 20:22
  Speaker 3: the heaviest band on facedown, do you contribute part of
• 20:25
  Speaker 3: that reasoning for him making that statement? You can, do
• 20:28
  Speaker 3: you consider the Aaron Riffs being a part of that
• 20:31
  Speaker 3: reason for him making that statement?
• 20:32
  Speaker 4: Well, first of.
• 20:33
  Speaker 1: All, Andy is the sweetest dude in the world. I
• 20:35
  Speaker 1: love him to death. And as and as dudes are
• 20:37
  Speaker 1: an under they were not nearly as successful as they
• 20:40
  Speaker 1: should have been.
• 20:41
  Speaker 3: The finest thing that he's done in the last like
• 20:43
  Speaker 3: number of years of his life is throw cheeseburgers at
• 20:46
  Speaker 3: Colin and I, oh.
• 20:47
  Speaker 1: Wow, well yeah it was.
• 20:49
  Speaker 3: They played They played Furnace Best last year and in
• 20:51
  Speaker 3: the middle of their set, they had like his whole
• 20:53
  Speaker 3: like Hamburger team to come out and they threw free
• 20:56
  Speaker 3: cheeseburgers out every.
• 20:57
  Speaker 1: Nothing that you're saying. It shocks me. I have no questions.
• 21:00
  Speaker 1: All of it just sounds like typical Andy Aaron was
• 21:03
  Speaker 1: texting with me recently. They're just such incredible supporters. I
• 21:06
  Speaker 1: think what he's talking more about is like we are
• 21:09
  Speaker 1: in love with dynamics and we cannot help but make
• 21:13
  Speaker 1: heavy and pretty songs like we love both, and quite
• 21:16
  Speaker 1: often we love when the song passes between the two
• 21:19
  Speaker 1: because it makes the like the the bridge of hail
• 21:23
  Speaker 1: makes the ending heavier, and so like, that's just how
• 21:26
  Speaker 1: it is. It's the salty, it's the salty makes the
• 21:28
  Speaker 1: sweet sweeter, and the sweet makes the salty saltier. So
• 21:32
  Speaker 1: I don't think about it in terms of my riffs,
• 21:35
  Speaker 1: although for sure that's a part of I mean a
• 21:37
  Speaker 1: part of a lot of our songs are the way
• 21:39
  Speaker 1: I just think weirdly about guitar because I wasn't properly trained.
• 21:42
  Speaker 1: And I mean a joke I've made for years is
• 21:44
  Speaker 1: like these songs for better or for worse only we
• 21:49
  Speaker 1: would write. They might sound like we're not one hundred
• 21:52
  Speaker 1: percent original, no one is, but like something about like
• 21:55
  Speaker 1: when we write a when we write a song, we
• 21:56
  Speaker 1: really are stoked about we're like this one, no one
• 21:59
  Speaker 1: else was gonna write this one, and we're glad it exists.
• 22:02
  Speaker 1: And so I Andy said that it faced on fest
• 22:04
  Speaker 1: one year and then repeated it a bunch and he's
• 22:06
  Speaker 1: so sweet. All those guys are so sweet. But it's
• 22:08
  Speaker 1: another way of thinking about heavy. And I also remember
• 22:11
  Speaker 1: the first time we recorded with Goldman on Yet and
• 22:14
  Speaker 1: we were just trying to get to know each other
• 22:15
  Speaker 1: and we were talking about what heaviness means and he
• 22:18
  Speaker 1: was like, and at that point he's already had these
• 22:21
  Speaker 1: incredible heavy successes, you know, under Oaths and Chariot and stuff,
• 22:24
  Speaker 1: and he was like, this is what I consider heavy.
• 22:27
  Speaker 1: And he played this like Russian composer and it like
• 22:30
  Speaker 1: emotionally was like crushing and you're like, yes, that is
• 22:34
  Speaker 1: heavy or honestly pulling several threads together. I sent Corey
• 22:38
  Speaker 1: from Normalgy in this record early and was like, Hey,
• 22:40
  Speaker 1: we're trying to land on the last two singles. We
• 22:42
  Speaker 1: knew north Star and heavy Heart were the first two,
• 22:44
  Speaker 1: and we're not sure like how many risks to take
• 22:46
  Speaker 1: or what we should go with, and at the time,
• 22:49
  Speaker 1: we like all those songs. And he hit us back
• 22:52
  Speaker 1: and was like it's well. He was super gracious. He
• 22:54
  Speaker 1: literally like live texted me for he took a morning
• 22:57
  Speaker 1: off the studio and like live texted me, and it
• 22:59
  Speaker 1: was like you all to simate hype. Man. It was
• 23:00
  Speaker 1: like having Little John review your record North Effingstar holy cow,
• 23:06
  Speaker 1: Like I mean it was. And then to have that
• 23:08
  Speaker 1: from someone I respect and look up to is incredibly
• 23:10
  Speaker 1: kind of him. Corey is just an incredibly gracious dude
• 23:14
  Speaker 1: to encourage us over the years. And then he was like,
• 23:17
  Speaker 1: make Believe just wrecked me. That's the heaviest song you'll
• 23:21
  Speaker 1: ever put out. And I was like, you comment it
• 23:23
  Speaker 1: in a different way emotionally, and I was like, man,
• 23:26
  Speaker 1: I that means you got it, because to me, it
• 23:28
  Speaker 1: is emotionally heavy. And then you know, he sent me
• 23:31
  Speaker 1: a bunch of other stuff and then he circled back
• 23:34
  Speaker 1: and because we weren't thinking about Make Believe as a single,
• 23:36
  Speaker 1: but we thought it was really special in me and
• 23:38
  Speaker 1: they worked super hard on it and it's a super
• 23:40
  Speaker 1: important song, and he was like, I just want to
• 23:41
  Speaker 1: push you that that should be one of your singles,
• 23:44
  Speaker 1: Like it's a song that needs to be heard. It's
• 23:46
  Speaker 1: like the heaviest song you'll ever release, and I knew that,
• 23:50
  Speaker 1: like it's a bit of an artyer weird song. And
• 23:52
  Speaker 1: then apparently he called the label and was like telling them, like,
• 23:55
  Speaker 1: you need to make them make this one of the singles,
• 23:58
  Speaker 1: like to pull the back a little bit. But yeah,
• 24:01
  Speaker 1: so I think it's the heaviness can be perceived in
• 24:03
  Speaker 1: so many different ways. So I understand when kids are
• 24:05
  Speaker 1: like only like the heavy songs. I know what they
• 24:07
  Speaker 1: mean and I like that stuff too, But I actually
• 24:09
  Speaker 1: think that the dynamics are the place where my epic
• 24:12
  Speaker 1: gets to like have something.
• 24:14
  Speaker 3: And and Goldman is so good at pulling that out
• 24:17
  Speaker 3: of an artist, you know, whether it's underrowth or whether
• 24:19
  Speaker 3: it's my epic. He has been so good at pulling
• 24:22
  Speaker 3: those dynamics out where he's able to get you to
• 24:25
  Speaker 3: sound prettier than you could ever imagine, and he's able
• 24:28
  Speaker 3: to get you sound darker and heavier than you could
• 24:30
  Speaker 3: ever imagine. And then now you've get you know, his
• 24:32
  Speaker 3: his little his protege basically with me. And now now
• 24:35
  Speaker 3: he's in the band and he's obviously learned a ton
• 24:38
  Speaker 3: from Goldman of how to get that like how to
• 24:41
  Speaker 3: get those sounds out when it comes to the production
• 24:44
  Speaker 3: and obviously now you're just you know, basically just stealing
• 24:47
  Speaker 3: him and take why.
• 24:48
  Speaker 1: Not have both of them, you know what I mean?
• 24:49
  Speaker 1: Like that's what we said, Like let's Petu, Butter and Jelly.
• 24:53
  Speaker 1: You're right, I mean I and and Wolf from Cheriot's
• 24:56
  Speaker 1: on me this right before we went to meet Goldman
• 24:58
  Speaker 1: for the first time, he said, gold is awesome at
• 25:01
  Speaker 1: figuring out what is this band awesome at and then
• 25:03
  Speaker 1: making that like helping them do that better, Like he
• 25:05
  Speaker 1: doesn't change you, he goes what so like to me?
• 25:08
  Speaker 1: Yet was like we were we learned so much from
• 25:11
  Speaker 1: the first record. We got the first record where we
• 25:13
  Speaker 1: had to do everything in the world out of the
• 25:15
  Speaker 1: way a friend produced it who was a new producer.
• 25:18
  Speaker 1: We weren't super happy with the way the production was,
• 25:21
  Speaker 1: even though he's a great dude and did his best job.
• 25:24
  Speaker 1: And so to meet Goldman at that moment where we
• 25:26
  Speaker 1: felt like we had a stripped down approach, like we
• 25:29
  Speaker 1: were focused, now we're not. Like it's not like that
• 25:32
  Speaker 1: feeling when you meet somebody and you're trying to get
• 25:34
  Speaker 1: it all out and you're gonna run out of time.
• 25:35
  Speaker 1: It's like, no, this is focused and that's been the
• 25:37
  Speaker 1: right approach for so long, and you're right, like, and
• 25:40
  Speaker 1: Nate would say, like he's learned so much from Matt,
• 25:42
  Speaker 1: and Matt Goldman is like one of my favorite human beings.
• 25:44
  Speaker 1: But their approach is very different because Nate is a
• 25:48
  Speaker 1: like I'm going to reconstruct these I'm willing to I'm
• 25:50
  Speaker 1: not gonna make you. But Nate will rewrite everything like
• 25:53
  Speaker 1: he will. Nate Nate literally he'll play instruments on your album.
• 25:57
  Speaker 1: If he doesn't like them, he will write them in
• 25:59
  Speaker 1: record them and everything. Yeah, he is very invasive and
• 26:03
  Speaker 1: in a good way if that's what you want. Like
• 26:04
  Speaker 1: a lot of times you go to see you like,
• 26:05
  Speaker 1: we know we want the producer to join the band.
• 26:07
  Speaker 1: Matt will never quite do that. He will, he will
• 26:10
  Speaker 1: make it the best. He will give lots of suggest
• 26:12
  Speaker 1: I mean, I'm not saying Matt's not creative. He is.
• 26:13
  Speaker 1: He'll be like, I mean, so many times Matt's been
• 26:16
  Speaker 1: like sitting there, I'll be like bridge is too long,
• 26:18
  Speaker 1: it's too long, got to cut it, and you're like,
• 26:20
  Speaker 1: what are you gonna do? Tell him to know, You're like, yeah,
• 26:22
  Speaker 1: it's probably right. But like Nate is much more invasive,
• 26:25
  Speaker 1: and it made sense now that Nate is like so
• 26:28
  Speaker 1: in the band and has been for eight eight years
• 26:30
  Speaker 1: and it's been on tour and for the other records,
• 26:33
  Speaker 1: Nate was like, I don't want the ball, like I'm
• 26:34
  Speaker 1: sick of having the ball. I have the ball for
• 26:36
  Speaker 1: all these other records that produce. I just want to
• 26:38
  Speaker 1: be in the band, And this time it was like
• 26:40
  Speaker 1: I want the ball, like I know what I want
• 26:41
  Speaker 1: to make. And so it is. They're both great, but
• 26:44
  Speaker 1: it is a very different approach and it was cool.
• 26:46
  Speaker 1: I mean, Matt produced, produced and engineered the drums, and
• 26:50
  Speaker 1: really we brought Matt in the last three days of
• 26:52
  Speaker 1: writing and then the drums because we just wanted his in.
• 26:54
  Speaker 1: We were just used to having his input. He's part
• 26:56
  Speaker 1: of the team. But it was after that from then
• 26:59
  Speaker 1: on it was a very different procedure, which was cool.
• 27:02
  Speaker 3: Yeah, there might not be a better producer for drums
• 27:05
  Speaker 3: in the world than Matt Goldman. I mean I would
• 27:08
  Speaker 3: put him against anybody else when it comes to specifically
• 27:11
  Speaker 3: drum production.
• 27:11
  Speaker 1: Yeah, why did the drums sound that cool? Because Mac,
• 27:13
  Speaker 1: that's Mat Goldman.
• 27:14
  Speaker 2: Like literally there's like a Goldman drum sound.
• 27:17
  Speaker 1: Yeah, he's and he'll always say he's not good, but
• 27:19
  Speaker 1: then he'll be warming up the drums. You'll be like, well,
• 27:21
  Speaker 1: he's probably the best drummer in the room. And then
• 27:24
  Speaker 1: you and then you you know him and Jesse are
• 27:26
  Speaker 1: super familiar and have a comfortability, and and then Alex.
• 27:29
  Speaker 1: Obviously Alex is as good as anyone can be. And
• 27:31
  Speaker 1: you might worry, like, okay, is Alex gonna overplay because
• 27:34
  Speaker 1: he's so incredibly good, But like, what makes Alex so
• 27:37
  Speaker 1: good is that he knows exactly what's the right thing
• 27:39
  Speaker 1: to play, Like he plays that complex and silent planet
• 27:41
  Speaker 1: because that's the thing to play there. Like the first
• 27:44
  Speaker 1: the first shows you ever played with ale Alex is
• 27:46
  Speaker 1: like we were on tour with them, and he's like
• 27:47
  Speaker 1: and he's like, hey, if you ever need I call
• 27:49
  Speaker 1: me first. Next I want to play like okay, cool,
• 27:52
  Speaker 1: like you want to make less money and being a
• 27:54
  Speaker 1: crappier van because I mean I remember Sound Planet when
• 27:58
  Speaker 1: they were like a small nobody band and then they're
• 28:00
  Speaker 1: not anymore. Yeah, but uh, he showed up for the
• 28:03
  Speaker 1: first practice and we were like, okay, you know, do
• 28:07
  Speaker 1: how much time to do? I was just like, how
• 28:08
  Speaker 1: much time you have? To spend learning the songs because
• 28:09
  Speaker 1: he played them all perfectly. He's like, I didn't have
• 28:11
  Speaker 1: to learn them. I just know them because I like
• 28:13
  Speaker 1: the music. So when you get all those, when you
• 28:15
  Speaker 1: get someone like Alex and then Jesse who knows each
• 28:18
  Speaker 1: other and Goldman, it literally is fun and you get
• 28:19
  Speaker 1: some special stuff, that's for sure.
• 28:21
  Speaker 4: Yeah. Yeah, that's like capturing lightning in a bottle. It's
• 28:24
  Speaker 4: just it's just super fun to see. I'm sure being
• 28:27
  Speaker 4: a part of that process is super rewarding.
• 28:29
  Speaker 1: And there's so much trust and there's so much goodwill
• 28:31
  Speaker 1: and that goes so far to like trust and goodwill
• 28:34
  Speaker 1: when it comes to like making decisions. They're asking for
• 28:37
  Speaker 1: things to be like, oh I trust this person and
• 28:38
  Speaker 1: I know they want what's best and we are going
• 28:40
  Speaker 1: to win.
• 28:41
  Speaker 4: Yeah, I dig that that. Well, let's talk about the
• 28:44
  Speaker 4: new record a little bit, because that's that's something that
• 28:47
  Speaker 4: is I mean, it's it's been blowing up my my
• 28:51
  Speaker 4: streaming platform so far. But the first thing I have
• 28:54
  Speaker 4: to ask is are you a SIMS player?
• 28:57
  Speaker 1: I am not.
• 28:59
  Speaker 4: Oh, I was wondering what was going on with that
• 29:03
  Speaker 4: that album cover. It's either like like like the little
• 29:06
  Speaker 4: triangle thing that that that sits on top of the
• 29:08
  Speaker 4: sims head or it's a roupie.
• 29:11
  Speaker 1: I've heard that. Now this the short story is on
• 29:15
  Speaker 1: and and this will also go for the title is
• 29:18
  Speaker 1: we We felt like this was when a band would
• 29:20
  Speaker 1: probably do a self titled record, like we've we've shifted
• 29:23
  Speaker 1: some things, We've shifted label. We really felt like the
• 29:25
  Speaker 1: last few records we were even more even more on
• 29:28
  Speaker 1: like even more on ultravot and violence. It's like, oh,
• 29:31
  Speaker 1: we are growing into exactly who we want to be.
• 29:33
  Speaker 1: And that's not to like talk bad on anything before,
• 29:35
  Speaker 1: because everything we've ever done is the best thing we
• 29:37
  Speaker 1: could do at the time. But we've been reaching for
• 29:41
  Speaker 1: something and like the everything's coming together or we want
• 29:43
  Speaker 1: to and it's just like one one last chance to restart,
• 29:47
  Speaker 1: not like we're gonna stop, but like this is a
• 29:49
  Speaker 1: reset and so we'd like it to feel But self
• 29:51
  Speaker 1: titled never felt strong enough to me, and so Loriela
• 29:55
  Speaker 1: is a very it's a very deep meaning to me.
• 29:58
  Speaker 1: I don't really want to explain it yet because I
• 29:59
  Speaker 1: just want people to encounter the record first and then
• 30:02
  Speaker 1: maybe in a while I will, But it was like
• 30:04
  Speaker 1: I want a title that will just be like, when
• 30:07
  Speaker 1: people will hear the word Loriel, they'll just think of
• 30:08
  Speaker 1: these ten songs like they won't have anything. It'll just
• 30:11
  Speaker 1: be the name of these ten songs to them until
• 30:15
  Speaker 1: much a much later day and in the meantime, Like
• 30:18
  Speaker 1: I've been telling people, it's like the movie Citizen Kane,
• 30:21
  Speaker 1: there's that thing about Rosebud, like he's dying and he
• 30:23
  Speaker 1: says Rosebud, Yeah, and you're like the whole movie you're like,
• 30:25
  Speaker 1: what does it mean? And in the end it's like
• 30:27
  Speaker 1: what the name of like the sled that he was
• 30:28
  Speaker 1: on as a kid?
• 30:29
  Speaker 4: Dude. Spoilers.
• 30:30
  Speaker 1: Yeah, sorry, spoilers for like one hundred year old movie.
• 30:34
  Speaker 1: But it's cool because it's like it's this very specific
• 30:37
  Speaker 1: like reference, but it's also a very deep It represents
• 30:40
  Speaker 1: his innocence, his childhood, his whole life, the beauty of life,
• 30:43
  Speaker 1: all this stuff, and Loriel is kind of like it's
• 30:45
  Speaker 1: like a personal Rosebud. But then the cover we wanted
• 30:48
  Speaker 1: the same thing. We just want something, the only we
• 30:50
  Speaker 1: want something.
• 30:51
  Speaker 4: Well.
• 30:51
  Speaker 1: Tanner has a friend, Eric hurt Jin. He's a very
• 30:54
  Speaker 1: accomplished artist. He's done like sting covers, He's done some
• 30:57
  Speaker 1: stuff for John Mark, I mean, he shouldn't work without
• 31:00
  Speaker 1: but he's a friend of Tanner's. Like the music was
• 31:02
  Speaker 1: was excited to work with us. We were just like,
• 31:04
  Speaker 1: we just want something that that will immediately just throw
• 31:08
  Speaker 1: people off, and we on the only really, only really
• 31:11
  Speaker 1: thing was like, it needs to look vibrant and hopeful,
• 31:13
  Speaker 1: because the record is like triumphant and hopeful. It's not
• 31:15
  Speaker 1: it's not a sad, angry record. It's not a mad
• 31:18
  Speaker 1: worried record. And he came back and was like, I
• 31:20
  Speaker 1: did he did five things. The whole band met and
• 31:22
  Speaker 1: right away we were like this one and uh, he
• 31:26
  Speaker 1: was like I was trying to throw you something that
• 31:27
  Speaker 1: wouldn't make sense, and we liked it because it was
• 31:29
  Speaker 1: like when you first see it, you're like, what is that?
• 31:31
  Speaker 1: And then you kind of lean in and you're like,
• 31:32
  Speaker 1: oh yeah, and then you lean in more you're like, no,
• 31:34
  Speaker 1: I don't know what that is. And again, it's just
• 31:37
  Speaker 1: supposed to feel the right vibe. And there's a story
• 31:39
  Speaker 1: to it that I'll tell someday but don't want to yet.
• 31:41
  Speaker 1: But it just looked like the right colors. And it
• 31:43
  Speaker 1: also is like in a world where people usually look
• 31:45
  Speaker 1: at the cover as like an inch, you know, on
• 31:47
  Speaker 1: a on a on a streaming. It's like we wanted
• 31:49
  Speaker 1: it to be immediately recognizable and immediately have the right
• 31:52
  Speaker 1: coloring and the vibes and there's all this depth to
• 31:54
  Speaker 1: what it means. But that's that's the most I want
• 31:56
  Speaker 1: to say to it now. But if people think it
• 31:58
  Speaker 1: looks like a ruby, that's fine with me, as long
• 32:00
  Speaker 1: as they put respect on Zelda and like Zelda, in
• 32:02
  Speaker 1: which case great because we all do too.
• 32:04
  Speaker 4: So I got Maduro's mask right over there.
• 32:07
  Speaker 2: Oh there you go.
• 32:08
  Speaker 4: Yeah, uh no, I it's it's interesting that you say that.
• 32:13
  Speaker 4: Like I have like almost like nostalgic feeling, and I
• 32:16
  Speaker 4: honestly didn't even think about legend of Zelda first. That's
• 32:19
  Speaker 4: not what I'm going with this, but like it gave
• 32:21
  Speaker 4: me like this nostalgic feeling, and I can't quite interpret
• 32:24
  Speaker 4: why is.
• 32:26
  Speaker 2: It like the is it sort of the pixelation of it.
• 32:28
  Speaker 4: I think it might be partly probably the pla also, yeah,
• 32:32
  Speaker 4: but also like that like that lime color, that lime
• 32:36
  Speaker 4: green color is so it stands out so much. It
• 32:38
  Speaker 4: just I don't know, it reminds me of childhood, Like
• 32:41
  Speaker 4: you were saying.
• 32:42
  Speaker 1: It's lime wire yeah, that's what it is.
• 32:44
  Speaker 4: That's probably yeah.
• 32:45
  Speaker 1: I think one other thing that resonated with us is
• 32:47
  Speaker 1: like two of the distinctions of this record over previous records,
• 32:51
  Speaker 1: And these are both things that just felt right to do.
• 32:54
  Speaker 1: One is we like let our nineties references show through
• 32:57
  Speaker 1: more like weifically grew up on grunge, like I remember
• 33:02
  Speaker 1: Cobain dying and like like the Smashing Pumpkins are one
• 33:05
  Speaker 1: of my first favorite artists, and like all this other
• 33:07
  Speaker 1: stuff from the nineties, and we've always had that, it's
• 33:09
  Speaker 1: always been buried in us, but we we kind of
• 33:11
  Speaker 1: haven't led it to the front. And I don't It
• 33:13
  Speaker 1: wasn't intentional, it just wasn't. And this record, we're like,
• 33:16
  Speaker 1: what if we did this, Like that's kind of like, well,
• 33:19
  Speaker 1: we want to do that, and it sounds cool, so
• 33:21
  Speaker 1: let's do it. And it felt like that and in
• 33:23
  Speaker 1: another way, and this is almost like again another salty suite.
• 33:27
  Speaker 1: The record is also our most mass our most maximalistic,
• 33:31
  Speaker 1: maximalist and futuristic production, Like it is the most produced
• 33:36
  Speaker 1: and and and the fact that you' say, like, oh,
• 33:38
  Speaker 1: it's like an there's a more nineties influence and it's maximalistic,
• 33:41
  Speaker 1: futurely produced. Should it make sense? And I hope, hopefull
• 33:44
  Speaker 1: we think it works. Hopefully other people think it works,
• 33:46
  Speaker 1: and if it does, I think everybody worked really hard,
• 33:49
  Speaker 1: and especially Nate, and something about the cover struck me
• 33:52
  Speaker 1: as vibing with both of those.
• 33:53
  Speaker 2: Things, you know, Yeah, yeah, I totally get that.
• 33:56
  Speaker 3: So one of the sort of recent changes for you all,
• 34:00
  Speaker 3: besides the fact that this is your first full length
• 34:02
  Speaker 3: in a long time, right, like yeah, over ten years, right,
• 34:05
  Speaker 3: I think, but Behold was the last full length. Yeah right,
• 34:09
  Speaker 3: so it's been a while since the last full length.
• 34:10
  Speaker 3: But one of those kind of recent changes is the
• 34:13
  Speaker 3: fact that you signed a Tooth and Nail And I
• 34:16
  Speaker 3: have always I think I've even I've said this for years,
• 34:19
  Speaker 3: by the way, Aaron, I have always kind of wondered
• 34:22
  Speaker 3: why my epic wasn't a Tooth and Nail band.
• 34:25
  Speaker 2: Not to say, like that's not to put any like, no,
• 34:26
  Speaker 2: I get you, I told you.
• 34:27
  Speaker 3: I like, I love Facedown, Colin and I some of
• 34:30
  Speaker 3: our favorite bands are Facedown bands, and it like also
• 34:33
  Speaker 3: has made sense why you were all on face down
• 34:35
  Speaker 3: and I love the fact that you were sort of
• 34:37
  Speaker 3: this like really pretty sounding band at times on face Down,
• 34:40
  Speaker 3: but it didn't really make much sense given the fact
• 34:43
  Speaker 3: that like y'all have like a tooth and nail sound
• 34:45
  Speaker 3: to me, right, yeah, And so it's it's kind of
• 34:48
  Speaker 3: one of those things where it's like this has felt
• 34:50
  Speaker 3: like a long time coming that you guys now are
• 34:53
  Speaker 3: finally a tooth and nail band, but maybe there is
• 34:55
  Speaker 3: there a story there around like why tooth and nail?
• 34:57
  Speaker 1: Yeah? Yeah, No, it was like it just felt like
• 35:00
  Speaker 1: after I mean again, Jason and Virginia and Davy and
• 35:02
  Speaker 1: Shannon and everybody at facing like like are some of
• 35:04
  Speaker 1: our absolute best friends, Like I text with Jason all
• 35:07
  Speaker 1: the time, and no one has supported us. I mean
• 35:10
  Speaker 1: if you're talking about like the rot rushmore of why
• 35:12
  Speaker 1: we get to be here, like they're on it. And
• 35:15
  Speaker 1: it just felt like we had done everything we could
• 35:17
  Speaker 1: do and we needed to change some things. And so
• 35:19
  Speaker 1: we were just talking with our manager and kind of
• 35:22
  Speaker 1: our family and teams about like, well, what can we do,
• 35:24
  Speaker 1: Like we don't feel done, but like the last couple records,
• 35:27
  Speaker 1: specifically Ultraviolet and Violence, like we felt really strong about people.
• 35:30
  Speaker 1: Our fans responded very strongly to them, but we didn't
• 35:33
  Speaker 1: see that much. The growth was very incremental, and and
• 35:36
  Speaker 1: the only thing I know how to judge it by
• 35:38
  Speaker 1: is like I'll often meet somebody and they'll become a
• 35:40
  Speaker 1: new friend and they don't know that I have a
• 35:41
  Speaker 1: band or anything, and I don't tend to start lead
• 35:44
  Speaker 1: with that because they usually just think you're it's a hobby,
• 35:46
  Speaker 1: and I don't want to have to like justify that
• 35:48
  Speaker 1: it's not, you know, like that no' a little more.
• 35:50
  Speaker 1: It's fine for it to be a hobby, but it's
• 35:52
  Speaker 1: not for me. And and but then like they'll go
• 35:54
  Speaker 1: listen to the music without me, and then they'll be like, dude,
• 35:57
  Speaker 1: your stuff's really like if they like the right stuff.
• 36:00
  Speaker 1: If they they'll probably like, like if you like the
• 36:02
  Speaker 1: Deaftones or the Foo Fighters or whoever like you. And
• 36:05
  Speaker 1: so it's just this thought of like, there's so many
• 36:06
  Speaker 1: people out there in the world who I know like
• 36:08
  Speaker 1: stuff like us, and they just have never heard of us.
• 36:10
  Speaker 1: So how do we like get on the radar, Not
• 36:13
  Speaker 1: because we need to be more successful, but just because like, oh, yeah,
• 36:16
  Speaker 1: it'd be nice for it to reach more people, and
• 36:19
  Speaker 1: it's not fun to stay stagnant. So we just kind
• 36:21
  Speaker 1: of talked about everything, and our manager was like, I
• 36:23
  Speaker 1: think there's a lot of labels who would really love
• 36:25
  Speaker 1: to have a chance to do some of my epic records.
• 36:27
  Speaker 1: And so I talked to Jason has sort of got
• 36:30
  Speaker 1: his blessing. He's like, hey, if you can get a
• 36:31
  Speaker 1: better deal that offers you more money to do some
• 36:35
  Speaker 1: different things, but also just other opportunities. Like we felt
• 36:38
  Speaker 1: like the Face Down family will always be family. I
• 36:41
  Speaker 1: hope they always view us that way because we do.
• 36:43
  Speaker 1: We like everybody on who likes Face Down and knows
• 36:46
  Speaker 1: about us and likes is gonna like us as already does,
• 36:49
  Speaker 1: like we've you know, so how else can we you know,
• 36:51
  Speaker 1: can we get a new marketing person, Can we get
• 36:53
  Speaker 1: a new label, Can we get a new booking agent?
• 36:56
  Speaker 3: Like?
• 36:56
  Speaker 1: What else can we change in the equation to reach
• 36:58
  Speaker 1: more people? And Jason was like, oh, if you can
• 37:01
  Speaker 1: get more opportunities, and if not, I'll put the next
• 37:03
  Speaker 1: record out, because you know he did. He was like, Yeah,
• 37:05
  Speaker 1: the thought of a new record not coming out on
• 37:06
  Speaker 1: Face Down is is It makes me a little homesick.
• 37:09
  Speaker 1: And I was like, well, it's weird for us too.
• 37:11
  Speaker 1: So we reached out to several labels and Tooth and Nail.
• 37:13
  Speaker 1: They're like, you know, we've known Adam for a long time.
• 37:15
  Speaker 1: We've toured with tons of tooth and nail bands. You know,
• 37:17
  Speaker 1: the mystique of Tooth and Nail when I was fifteen
• 37:19
  Speaker 1: or sixteen, which was you know, mind blowing thought, is
• 37:23
  Speaker 1: still there in part, but it's like, well, now it's
• 37:25
  Speaker 1: just a label that we've worked with, and Nate's produced
• 37:27
  Speaker 1: a bunch of records. But Adam had a great pitch
• 37:30
  Speaker 1: and they offered us a lot of things we hadn't
• 37:32
  Speaker 1: that would be like, oh, maybe this is the opportunity.
• 37:34
  Speaker 1: So it just made sense, and everybody was on board
• 37:36
  Speaker 1: with the deal, and like we knew we could trust
• 37:38
  Speaker 1: them because we've already done enough business with them to
• 37:41
  Speaker 1: know what they're like. And then, like I said, Nate's
• 37:43
  Speaker 1: produced like three or four might be way maybe like
• 37:46
  Speaker 1: a dozen now records for them, so he knew what
• 37:48
  Speaker 1: it was like to deal with them on a business level,
• 37:50
  Speaker 1: and it just this The deal made sense. So we signed,
• 37:53
  Speaker 1: like I think right before COVID started, and it was
• 37:56
  Speaker 1: just like they were like, you take your time, we
• 37:58
  Speaker 1: trust you. Obviously, you guys are a stack mush enough
• 38:00
  Speaker 1: that you're not going to like get lost in the
• 38:02
  Speaker 1: ditch of creativity, and when you're ready to come out
• 38:04
  Speaker 1: with something, will announce it. So it's been a great
• 38:06
  Speaker 1: partnership and hopefully everybody still knows how much we love
• 38:10
  Speaker 1: and appreciate Face down, it just felt like widening the circle,
• 38:13
  Speaker 1: not like changing teams is whatever.
• 38:15
  Speaker 4: I like to get that, and I think that's how
• 38:17
  Speaker 4: it's viewed by most fans too. I don't think anyone's
• 38:20
  Speaker 4: thinking that, like, oh, you're a bunch of traders or
• 38:22
  Speaker 4: anything like that. It is kind of weird that we're
• 38:24
  Speaker 4: even saying that we have, like you know, that kind
• 38:27
  Speaker 4: of allegiances to music labels. But I mean these are
• 38:31
  Speaker 4: two music labels that have meant a whole lot to
• 38:34
  Speaker 4: a whole lot of people. So oh yeah, yeah right,
• 38:38
  Speaker 4: I don't think I don't think anyone has has like
• 38:40
  Speaker 4: ill ill thought about that.
• 38:42
  Speaker 3: So yeah, I'm glad that you brought up that whole
• 38:46
  Speaker 3: point about how you know, you'll like meet somebody and
• 38:49
  Speaker 3: you like kind of get a sense of like what
• 38:51
  Speaker 3: their music tastes are, and then you they're like, wait,
• 38:53
  Speaker 3: you're in a band, and they like actually listen to
• 38:55
  Speaker 3: your music and they're like wait, like, why why have
• 38:57
  Speaker 3: I not heard of My Epic before?
• 38:59
  Speaker 2: Whatever?
• 39:00
  Speaker 3: I've literally had this thought before too, where when I
• 39:02
  Speaker 3: think of like some of my favorite bands, a lot
• 39:05
  Speaker 3: of them, like sort of makes sense why they never,
• 39:08
  Speaker 3: like even if I love them and I think their
• 39:09
  Speaker 3: music is incredible, it makes sense like that they wouldn't
• 39:12
  Speaker 3: become like way bigger, right, Like I think of a
• 39:14
  Speaker 3: band like I don't know, like The Chariot the Cherry,
• 39:16
  Speaker 3: it's my favorite band of all time, yes, and it
• 39:18
  Speaker 3: makes sense why they never got to like some sort
• 39:21
  Speaker 3: of way larger level like their their music is such
• 39:24
  Speaker 3: a a sort of niche taste that it just there's
• 39:27
  Speaker 3: no way that they would have ever gotten to some
• 39:29
  Speaker 3: sort of like level of I don't know, like under
• 39:31
  Speaker 3: Oath for example, right, but my Epic is one of
• 39:34
  Speaker 3: those bands that I feel like, I have loved My
• 39:36
  Speaker 3: Epic for fifteen years, and it truly still does not
• 39:39
  Speaker 3: make sense to me why you all didn't get to
• 39:41
  Speaker 3: the level of like Thrice or bands that are maybe
• 39:44
  Speaker 3: in the similar vein as you all like.
• 39:45
  Speaker 2: It doesn't make sense to me.
• 39:47
  Speaker 1: Well, thank you for saying that. I don't know how
• 39:48
  Speaker 1: true that is, but but I just I just.
• 39:51
  Speaker 3: Like it doesn't make sense to me. And maybe, you know,
• 39:53
  Speaker 3: maybe it's just one of those things where like you
• 39:54
  Speaker 3: get lucky or whatever. I don't know, but like, you
• 39:57
  Speaker 3: guys have put out incredible music for many years. It's
• 39:59
  Speaker 3: not like you just put out one album or whatever.
• 40:02
  Speaker 3: Like you've put out incredible music. You've consistently toured, like
• 40:05
  Speaker 3: you've done all the things that you'd think that successful
• 40:07
  Speaker 3: bands or bands that are like uber successful in the
• 40:11
  Speaker 3: like vein of music that y'all are in, right, It
• 40:13
  Speaker 3: just like it's just never quite made sense to me. Yeah,
• 40:15
  Speaker 3: that's not to say like the whole point is that
• 40:17
  Speaker 3: you all have to be successful, but it is sort
• 40:20
  Speaker 3: of like why are they not bigger than what I
• 40:22
  Speaker 3: think they should be.
• 40:25
  Speaker 1: I mean, I have lots of thoughts about that because
• 40:27
  Speaker 1: not because I am bitter about it, but because we
• 40:29
  Speaker 1: always trying to grow, so you think about it in
• 40:31
  Speaker 1: that way, and I do think we've always kind of
• 40:34
  Speaker 1: fallen in the cracks of being like especially in early
• 40:37
  Speaker 1: stuff like to faith based to christian for a lot
• 40:42
  Speaker 1: of things that we could have done, and also not
• 40:44
  Speaker 1: Christian enough and too edgy for like really to succeed
• 40:47
  Speaker 1: in the Christian radio world like and like, you know,
• 40:51
  Speaker 1: if we were smart business people, we would have seen
• 40:52
  Speaker 1: like Broken Voice did so well for us, and it
• 40:56
  Speaker 1: was like a half baked like not half baked. We
• 40:58
  Speaker 1: worked super hard, but like we didn't put a production
• 41:00
  Speaker 1: budget into it because we just thought it was an EP.
• 41:03
  Speaker 1: If we were smart business people, we would have gone,
• 41:04
  Speaker 1: We're gonna go right back in and do a full
• 41:06
  Speaker 1: length record that focuses on this stuff. But we just
• 41:08
  Speaker 1: weren't artistically interested in it. And that's been that integrity
• 41:12
  Speaker 1: has kind of been with what where's our interest, where's
• 41:14
  Speaker 1: our conviction? And chase that. So I think that was
• 41:16
  Speaker 1: part of it. And I also think we you know,
• 41:18
  Speaker 1: there aren't a lot of bands that have that are
• 41:20
  Speaker 1: super like Therice is one and the Deftones are another
• 41:24
  Speaker 1: who have like super big dynamics, you know in the
• 41:26
  Speaker 1: sound like and so maybe that's part of it too.
• 41:30
  Speaker 1: And then also some of it's just like the opportunities
• 41:32
  Speaker 1: you get and like you don't get and who knows,
• 41:35
  Speaker 1: like did how the Dice rolls? Like I think the
• 41:37
  Speaker 1: only thing that I have to work towards any like
• 41:41
  Speaker 1: this is just being transparent because for the sake of
• 41:44
  Speaker 1: having a real conversation. I don't think much about it
• 41:47
  Speaker 1: other than like wanting to grow. There is one thing
• 41:49
  Speaker 1: that I am a bit envious of, which is of
• 41:52
  Speaker 1: the growth and the refinement that happens when bands are
• 41:55
  Speaker 1: allowed to be full time like We Knew for Today
• 41:59
  Speaker 1: before they see We Knew Silent Planet before they succeeded,
• 42:03
  Speaker 1: and then to watch like what they're like after two
• 42:05
  Speaker 1: years where they're on the road full time and they're
• 42:07
  Speaker 1: in studio full time. Just I mean, anything you get
• 42:10
  Speaker 1: to do if you're training for some sport and then
• 42:12
  Speaker 1: you get to go play it like full time, you
• 42:15
  Speaker 1: just get way better. And that's one thing that I
• 42:18
  Speaker 1: have to work towards, like being envious of, Like gosh,
• 42:21
  Speaker 1: like man, if we just had two years like where
• 42:23
  Speaker 1: we just got to be full time and like be
• 42:25
  Speaker 1: on the road, like these guys who were like decent musicians,
• 42:29
  Speaker 1: like decent and talented, great creative minds. But they come
• 42:32
  Speaker 1: back like I remember watching Watching for Today at Face
• 42:36
  Speaker 1: Down Fest twenty eleven, kind of like there when they
• 42:39
  Speaker 1: were just pop completely popping off, standing with Jason in
• 42:42
  Speaker 1: the back of the room, and like the year before
• 42:44
  Speaker 1: they had played or maybe it was maybe they wasn't
• 42:45
  Speaker 1: when that maybe was twenty two thousand and nine, and
• 42:47
  Speaker 1: they were like a good band and like they were
• 42:49
  Speaker 1: they were getting bigger and kids were excited. But then
• 42:51
  Speaker 1: to watch them come in and they'd been on the
• 42:53
  Speaker 1: road for two years straight and they'd had like guitar
• 42:55
  Speaker 1: techs and drum techs and tour managers and all those
• 42:57
  Speaker 1: things that allow you to focus, and now they just
• 43:00
  Speaker 1: came back and they were monsters. Dude, Like everything was
• 43:03
  Speaker 1: just so tight, the performance was so tight, and and
• 43:06
  Speaker 1: I've always had to work again, Like, man, I just
• 43:08
  Speaker 1: wish we had that. But otherwise it's like, man, that's
• 43:10
  Speaker 1: not really my business to worry about it. Like it's
• 43:12
  Speaker 1: my business to make the best art I can and
• 43:15
  Speaker 1: to make sure that the relationship to each other is
• 43:17
  Speaker 1: the best it can be and put it out there
• 43:20
  Speaker 1: in the world. And it's like it's my business to
• 43:23
  Speaker 1: work at getting it out there, like, but it's not
• 43:25
  Speaker 1: my business to like know how well how successful it is,
• 43:28
  Speaker 1: because if I get into that game, Mason, like, I
• 43:30
  Speaker 1: will go down a role of hopeless like questioning and depression.
• 43:34
  Speaker 1: And yeah, even those successful artists like Toy like kill
• 43:38
  Speaker 1: themselves over stuff.
• 43:39
  Speaker 4: Like that so well, I feel like you quickly become
• 43:42
  Speaker 4: Uncle Rico if you oh, yeah that route, you know,
• 43:46
  Speaker 4: like how much you want to make a bet.
• 43:49
  Speaker 1: Them? Yeah, exactly, exactly, if only if yeah.
• 43:53
  Speaker 3: Well, now that we're kind of in the spirit of transparency,
• 43:55
  Speaker 3: I'd love to hear a little bit more about kind
• 43:58
  Speaker 3: of like your own personal faith, you know, like I
• 44:02
  Speaker 3: I've found out or you know, started listening to my
• 44:05
  Speaker 3: epic in a part of my life where my faith
• 44:07
  Speaker 3: was entirely different than what it is now. Yeah, And
• 44:11
  Speaker 3: you know, and We've chatted with so many artists throughout
• 44:15
  Speaker 3: the last number of years, from like the Tooth and
• 44:17
  Speaker 3: Nail world, from the Face Down World, and I constantly
• 44:20
  Speaker 3: hear from so many of them about how their faith
• 44:22
  Speaker 3: has completely changed from the time that they were maybe
• 44:25
  Speaker 3: youth group kids or whatever. And I'd love to hear
• 44:27
  Speaker 3: just knowing that, you know, you were probably at a
• 44:30
  Speaker 3: way different. My guess is I could be totally wrong.
• 44:32
  Speaker 3: My guess is that when you wrote that first album,
• 44:35
  Speaker 3: you were probably at thinking about theology and your faith
• 44:39
  Speaker 3: an entirely different way than maybe you are at now.
• 44:41
  Speaker 3: But I'd just love to hear kind of like where
• 44:43
  Speaker 3: you're at what that journey has been like if you want.
• 44:45
  Speaker 1: To share, Yeah, yeah, I mean i'd say, like I
• 44:47
  Speaker 1: wrote the first I wrote I'm a dem when I
• 44:49
  Speaker 1: was twenty six, and I wrote most of Loriella at
• 44:52
  Speaker 1: the age of thirty nine and forty. And anyone who
• 44:55
  Speaker 1: doesn't change and grow and in fifteen years, I would hity,
• 45:00
  Speaker 1: that's a really bad sign, like you know, like and
• 45:03
  Speaker 1: I'd hope change is a good and growth is a
• 45:05
  Speaker 1: good thing, like I remember, and I think about it
• 45:08
  Speaker 1: in the sense of like I won't say a politician
• 45:10
  Speaker 1: because I don't want to like anyone to have to
• 45:11
  Speaker 1: pick or take sides, but there was a politician who
• 45:13
  Speaker 1: was running and they were they were kind of running.
• 45:15
  Speaker 1: It was kind of a This commentator was like, they're
• 45:17
  Speaker 1: one of the first politicians who was openly saying I
• 45:20
  Speaker 1: changed my mind on some things, like it used to
• 45:22
  Speaker 1: be the like cause you get called a flip flopper
• 45:24
  Speaker 1: so quickly, oh you rob right right, And this this
• 45:27
  Speaker 1: person was like, yeah, I changed my mind because I
• 45:30
  Speaker 1: learned new things and I grew and I realized that
• 45:33
  Speaker 1: this that there was not everything changed, but and I
• 45:36
  Speaker 1: really appreciated that. I was like, oh yeah, like we
• 45:38
  Speaker 1: should all be growing, like we should all be. So
• 45:42
  Speaker 1: of course I've changed. Of course I've grown, and of
• 45:45
  Speaker 1: course that involves my faith too. I mean, I grew
• 45:48
  Speaker 1: up a pastor's kid, I grew up in a pretty
• 45:50
  Speaker 1: large church. But I did grow up in public school,
• 45:52
  Speaker 1: so that was a nice like balance. I wasn't fully like,
• 45:55
  Speaker 1: you know, no shame to anyone who's like Christian school
• 45:58
  Speaker 1: or homeschool, but I hadn't. You weren't like socially stunted, right, yeah,
• 46:01
  Speaker 1: or yeah, maybe that, but but more I'm thinking of
• 46:04
  Speaker 1: like I wasn't fully hidden inside of a cultural bubble
• 46:06
  Speaker 1: like I was.
• 46:07
  Speaker 2: I was.
• 46:07
  Speaker 1: I had this safe community that was very beautiful to me,
• 46:10
  Speaker 1: and I also was able to interface with the world
• 46:12
  Speaker 1: and you know, not be like ostracized. And I felt
• 46:15
  Speaker 1: very I felt very a loud and when I was
• 46:16
  Speaker 1: in high school at a big school to be me,
• 46:18
  Speaker 1: like my friend most of my closest friends were like
• 46:21
  Speaker 1: we were Christian kids that listened to how loud music
• 46:23
  Speaker 1: and like went to public school and skated and hung out,
• 46:26
  Speaker 1: and everybody was just like that's cool, man, Like you know,
• 46:28
  Speaker 1: like everybody just kind of respected the difference. But I
• 46:32
  Speaker 1: will say that, Like, you know, our early records are
• 46:34
  Speaker 1: very didactic, and I had just come out of seminary,
• 46:38
  Speaker 1: and I think I've always said that, like I write
• 46:41
  Speaker 1: songs to process the world, and like I often will
• 46:44
  Speaker 1: write a song because I I don't consciously do this,
• 46:47
  Speaker 1: but like there's something scratching at my brain, my heart,
• 46:50
  Speaker 1: my soul, my mind that is I can't stop thinking about.
• 46:53
  Speaker 1: And that's when I want to write a song about it.
• 46:55
  Speaker 1: And I will have much more concrete thoughts about it
• 46:57
  Speaker 1: when I'm done writing the song. Like black Light was
• 47:00
  Speaker 1: the way I processed like tremendous pain in my own life,
• 47:04
  Speaker 1: so is Bloody Angles, Like Ultraviolet was the way I
• 47:07
  Speaker 1: processed a lot of doubt and fear around me, not
• 47:10
  Speaker 1: necessarily even in my own heart, in my own life.
• 47:12
  Speaker 1: So I have in those early days, I felt like
• 47:16
  Speaker 1: anyone who who couldn't sit you down and tell you
• 47:19
  Speaker 1: exactly what every line of the song meant was like
• 47:20
  Speaker 1: a fake and they were trying to hide something. And
• 47:23
  Speaker 1: and that's true a lot, Like a lot of times
• 47:24
  Speaker 1: we all smell it where like this is really thin
• 47:26
  Speaker 1: poetry here, like this person is like they're just they
• 47:29
  Speaker 1: keep talking about waves and water and I'm I'm and
• 47:32
  Speaker 1: I'm concerned they don't actually have anything to say. And
• 47:34
  Speaker 1: sometimes it's true sometimes though there's I think I've also
• 47:37
  Speaker 1: begun to discover like the depth of good poetry. And
• 47:40
  Speaker 1: when when that when that level of like of poetry
• 47:44
  Speaker 1: is just imbued with so many layers that like, it's
• 47:47
  Speaker 1: impossible for me to say that I can say that
• 47:50
  Speaker 1: every single song is about one thing, but it isn't.
• 47:53
  Speaker 1: Like Heavy Heart isn't just about my daughter, Like maybe
• 47:55
  Speaker 1: that's the idea that sparked it, but it's really more
• 47:57
  Speaker 1: about unconditional love and those connections and all those things.
• 48:01
  Speaker 1: And so I think I've really fallen in love and
• 48:02
  Speaker 1: begun to understand poetry. And some fans have remarked, like, oh,
• 48:06
  Speaker 1: I liked that the lyrics to me were more on
• 48:09
  Speaker 1: the nose in the early days, and I'm just I'm
• 48:11
  Speaker 1: less interested in that and if and I don't think
• 48:14
  Speaker 1: it's bad, but it's I don't want to do it anymore.
• 48:16
  Speaker 1: I'm not interested in it. But also i'd say like
• 48:19
  Speaker 1: it maybe I resonate more now with Jesus's parables than
• 48:22
  Speaker 1: like Paul's writings in the sense of like a teacher
• 48:24
  Speaker 1: who's like, I'm going to give you this story that's
• 48:26
  Speaker 1: kind of a bit cryptic and has about like fifty
• 48:29
  Speaker 1: thousand layers, and like, I love the Hebrew idea, like
• 48:32
  Speaker 1: the truth is more like a gem and as you
• 48:34
  Speaker 1: turn it you see more facets to it. So yeah,
• 48:37
  Speaker 1: I'm totally different. I am. I certainly am no longer
• 48:40
  Speaker 1: a fundamentalist and don't resonate with that. My politics have
• 48:44
  Speaker 1: changed a lot, but my faith is still at the
• 48:46
  Speaker 1: core of who I am. My faith in God, the
• 48:50
  Speaker 1: Divine whatever you want to call him. My relationship to
• 48:52
  Speaker 1: Jesus is still like super core to me, and that's
• 48:55
  Speaker 1: something that's very different than five years ago. And I'm
• 48:57
  Speaker 1: I'm in the same way that I've been married for
• 48:59
  Speaker 1: ten years and my relationship to my wife is totally different.
• 49:02
  Speaker 1: But I'd like to say that it's and we would
• 49:04
  Speaker 1: both thankfully say it's healthier than it's ever been, and
• 49:07
  Speaker 1: we never thought it was particularly unhealthy. You just grow
• 49:09
  Speaker 1: and you change and you experience more life. And the
• 49:13
  Speaker 1: reason why I don't and I guess I feel comfortable
• 49:16
  Speaker 1: like kind of throwing the word fundamentalists under the bus
• 49:18
  Speaker 1: because I don't know if many people put that on themselves,
• 49:20
  Speaker 1: so I feel like I can throw it under the
• 49:22
  Speaker 1: bus and people cannot feel attacked, because I don't want
• 49:24
  Speaker 1: anyone to feel attacked. Wherever you're at, like you're where
• 49:26
  Speaker 1: you're at, Like I think the only thing I would
• 49:28
  Speaker 1: hold someone accountable for is like when you have knowing
• 49:31
  Speaker 1: conviction or when you have cognitive dissonance that you refuse
• 49:34
  Speaker 1: to recognize. And I do see a lot of I
• 49:37
  Speaker 1: mean a lot of this. Some of this record is
• 49:39
  Speaker 1: about that processing, like what does it like look like
• 49:42
  Speaker 1: to grow up and realize the world is not as
• 49:43
  Speaker 1: simple as you thought it was and maybe as you
• 49:46
  Speaker 1: hoped it was, and life isn't as simple, and your
• 49:49
  Speaker 1: ideas of the divine and of God and of what
• 49:52
  Speaker 1: is truth, all those things are just not as simple
• 49:54
  Speaker 1: as you might want them to be. And I think
• 49:56
  Speaker 1: when you hit that crossroad, a lot of people like
• 49:59
  Speaker 1: experience like trum and this loss. And I've seen people
• 50:01
  Speaker 1: using language on stuff like almost like making fun of
• 50:05
  Speaker 1: people who go through some kind of deconstruction, which that
• 50:07
  Speaker 1: word is so loaded now I'm even afraid of using
• 50:09
  Speaker 1: it because people immediately like but it's like, from my experience,
• 50:13
  Speaker 1: nobody who goes through anything like that wants to like
• 50:15
  Speaker 1: it's tremendous and painful for them to go through it,
• 50:18
  Speaker 1: and to shame them about it is like not helpful
• 50:21
  Speaker 1: and to me like harmful. But also it's like I
• 50:25
  Speaker 1: understand to be in that place, and I think we
• 50:27
  Speaker 1: all go through that loss of innocence. That's the language.
• 50:29
  Speaker 1: I think that's more universal that I'd use that loss
• 50:32
  Speaker 1: of innocence. I understand why people become cynical. It makes
• 50:36
  Speaker 1: sense of the data to go through all the world
• 50:39
  Speaker 1: is more painful, life is more painful than I thought,
• 50:41
  Speaker 1: all this stuff, and then for them to go like,
• 50:43
  Speaker 1: well it's all crap or means nothing or else, they
• 50:45
  Speaker 1: give up on making any sense of it. And I
• 50:48
  Speaker 1: understand that, and I'm not trying to shame anyone who
• 50:50
  Speaker 1: feels it. But I do think that agreeing to be cynical,
• 50:53
  Speaker 1: I agree that you can't can't you can't control feelings
• 50:56
  Speaker 1: of being cynical, But agreeing to become a cynic and
• 50:59
  Speaker 1: have a cynical is kind of agreed to die early.
• 51:01
  Speaker 1: And so part of this record is like is like,
• 51:04
  Speaker 1: don't go out quiet, like fight that if if you
• 51:07
  Speaker 1: can fight that, because there is an there is on
• 51:10
  Speaker 1: the other side of it a hopefulness and a beauty
• 51:13
  Speaker 1: and maybe faith for the first time, like maybe less
• 51:16
  Speaker 1: knowing and more believing, maybe less maybe less certainty and
• 51:20
  Speaker 1: more confidence and not conflating those things. And the record
• 51:24
  Speaker 1: is really like it really is a swing against cynicism,
• 51:27
  Speaker 1: but it isn't like a me trying. It's half me
• 51:30
  Speaker 1: fighting against it and half me also not feeling it,
• 51:33
  Speaker 1: Like I don't feel cynical enough. Other things have happened
• 51:36
  Speaker 1: and my faith has grown and enough ways where like
• 51:39
  Speaker 1: I am still I am a hopeful person and I
• 51:41
  Speaker 1: am a person who has strong beliefs and relationships and practices,
• 51:45
  Speaker 1: and it's kind of flying that flag, and so any
• 51:48
  Speaker 1: other change that it's in the music is just the natural.
• 51:52
  Speaker 1: Like the integrity of my of our songwriting, and of
• 51:55
  Speaker 1: the lyricism is the exact same. It's like I'm gonna
• 51:58
  Speaker 1: be fully honest, I'm gonna stare this thing in the
• 52:00
  Speaker 1: and I'm gonna write about it, and I'm gonna say
• 52:02
  Speaker 1: the thing even if I'm scared of saying it. There's
• 52:05
  Speaker 1: lyrics that wrote fifteen years ago that were incredibly hard
• 52:08
  Speaker 1: to write, like the end of lashes was incredibly hard
• 52:10
  Speaker 1: to write, but it was true. So I needed to
• 52:14
  Speaker 1: say it because it was the song I was writing.
• 52:16
  Speaker 1: And in the same way, there's songs on this record
• 52:18
  Speaker 1: that are the same way. Like I wrote this lyric
• 52:21
  Speaker 1: down as I was writing, and the moment I wrote it,
• 52:23
  Speaker 1: I was like, Oh, I don't that's a whole can
• 52:25
  Speaker 1: of worms and I have to honor that and that
• 52:28
  Speaker 1: integrity is the same and hopefully people see that through line.
• 52:32
  Speaker 3: You know, Colin, do you want to say I think
• 52:36
  Speaker 3: you brought this up at one point when we were chatting,
• 52:39
  Speaker 3: but Aaron said something years ago that it's been like
• 52:43
  Speaker 3: a significant part of.
• 52:45
  Speaker 2: Like changing in your life. Do you want to share that?
• 52:47
  Speaker 3: Oh?
• 52:47
  Speaker 4: Yeah, just like just like a political, political, social kind
• 52:51
  Speaker 4: of commentary. I remember watching a video probably back in
• 52:55
  Speaker 4: I don't know, two thousand and twelve, twenty thirteen. At
• 53:00
  Speaker 4: that time, I was, you know, probably much more on
• 53:03
  Speaker 4: that fundamental side of things as well. And this particular
• 53:08
  Speaker 4: question in the video, someone a fan had asked you
• 53:11
  Speaker 4: about homosexuality and and what were your views on it
• 53:14
  Speaker 4: and stuff like that, and I think they even asked
• 53:17
  Speaker 4: like something along the lines of like whether or not
• 53:18
  Speaker 4: you would write a song affirming or or not affirming
• 53:24
  Speaker 4: a homosexual relationship. And I don't remember specifically what your
• 53:31
  Speaker 4: like full drawn out answer was, but it basically was
• 53:34
  Speaker 4: like along the lines of like, I think we should
• 53:36
  Speaker 4: just love people, period. And at that time, for me,
• 53:40
  Speaker 4: you know, I was very immature in my in my
• 53:42
  Speaker 4: understanding of the world, and it allowed me to kind
• 53:46
  Speaker 4: of go down the road where I could actually change
• 53:48
  Speaker 4: my mind and be like, you know what, yeah, we
• 53:52
  Speaker 4: there's no certain group of people out there that actually
• 53:55
  Speaker 4: deserves hate, and so loving really is the best way
• 54:00
  Speaker 4: to go and maybe even go beyond just like you know,
• 54:05
  Speaker 4: a tolerance or acceptance, but also this idea of affirmation, and.
• 54:12
  Speaker 1: Well, I really appreciate the leveling of the playing field.
• 54:14
  Speaker 4: Yeah, sorry, go ahead, No, I.
• 54:15
  Speaker 1: Really appreciate that. I mean I I that's like you said,
• 54:19
  Speaker 1: like a twelve or thirteen year old answer, And it's
• 54:21
  Speaker 1: interesting because I would answer it differently in some ways.
• 54:24
  Speaker 1: I still agree with the heart of that answer and
• 54:26
  Speaker 1: the heart of like, And what remains true about that
• 54:29
  Speaker 1: is I think you have to continue to me, like
• 54:33
  Speaker 1: a guiding star is like moving towards the true, the
• 54:35
  Speaker 1: good and the beautiful and there's a song on our
• 54:37
  Speaker 1: record called wild the new record called Wildflowers, that's a
• 54:40
  Speaker 1: lot about that that like when you're lost and you
• 54:42
  Speaker 1: can't figure out where to go, it's like I'm going
• 54:43
  Speaker 1: to move towards the light if I can see it anywhere,
• 54:46
  Speaker 1: and loving people and also like, man, these things are
• 54:50
  Speaker 1: are so nuanced, and I think that's the thing that
• 54:55
  Speaker 1: And again people might this word might be loaded in
• 54:58
  Speaker 1: a different way than than they, and I'm loading it.
• 55:00
  Speaker 1: But like, I think a fundamentalism is like no, these
• 55:03
  Speaker 1: things are true and not and we can't it's kind
• 55:05
  Speaker 1: of anti change. It's not it's not that I'm against solid.
• 55:08
  Speaker 1: I think truth is solid. But I also think that
• 55:11
  Speaker 1: things have to grow. And I'm a believe I'm a progressive.
• 55:13
  Speaker 1: I believe that things are I think that everything's moving
• 55:16
  Speaker 1: towards something beautiful and in the pain, that is at
• 55:20
  Speaker 1: the core of my beliefs, and that's what I'm fighting for.
• 55:22
  Speaker 1: That's what I don't think we're supposed to be living
• 55:24
  Speaker 1: for and rooting for is like truth and good and
• 55:26
  Speaker 1: beauty and and anytime those things are coming to light,
• 55:29
  Speaker 1: so that that remains the same for sure, of like
• 55:31
  Speaker 1: what does it mean to to follow that, and yeah,
• 55:34
  Speaker 1: I mean if you disagree with someone, which like the
• 55:37
  Speaker 1: whole specific question you brought brought to mind of, like
• 55:39
  Speaker 1: you know, the fact that the band is affirming or whatever,
• 55:42
  Speaker 1: Like it's an if you want to talk to somebody
• 55:46
  Speaker 1: and be heard ninety nine times out of one hundred,
• 55:49
  Speaker 1: like loving them and listening thoughtfully is the move. Like
• 55:53
  Speaker 1: I've had just enough experience to say sometimes sometimes there's
• 55:58
  Speaker 1: another option, but most of the time, like, man, if
• 56:00
  Speaker 1: you want to be heard, and if you want to love,
• 56:02
  Speaker 1: and if you want and also man, if you want
• 56:04
  Speaker 1: to be heard, then you need to you need to understand,
• 56:06
  Speaker 1: if you and if you want to understand, then you
• 56:08
  Speaker 1: need to listen. Uh, and you will be surprised at
• 56:11
  Speaker 1: how you change. And I you know, when you asked
• 56:12
  Speaker 1: me that question last time, when I answered that question,
• 56:15
  Speaker 1: I was working at a large church And yeah, and
• 56:18
  Speaker 1: that was that was a lot of cognitive dissonance there
• 56:20
  Speaker 1: because I loved those people, but I was already a
• 56:23
  Speaker 1: progressive in a lot of ways, and they were fundamentalists
• 56:26
  Speaker 1: in a lot of ways. And what we had in
• 56:28
  Speaker 1: common was the love and the trust for each other
• 56:29
  Speaker 1: and the agreement on some core things in our faith.
• 56:32
  Speaker 1: But that was so so I was also having probably
• 56:35
  Speaker 1: to be there was a lot of cogniti dissonance in
• 56:37
  Speaker 1: my own heart because there was things that I was
• 56:39
  Speaker 1: feeling conviction about. Oh, I think this thing might be
• 56:43
  Speaker 1: different than I thought, and I couldn't look at it.
• 56:46
  Speaker 1: I was like, it's already hard enough to be so different.
• 56:48
  Speaker 1: And if I think about that, we're never gonna, you know,
• 56:51
  Speaker 1: like if I keep going down that path. So it's
• 56:55
  Speaker 1: amazing how I just think for anyone to there are
• 56:58
  Speaker 1: things I never want to change, Like I always want
• 57:00
  Speaker 1: to be a loving person, I always want to seek truth.
• 57:02
  Speaker 1: I always want to be a good friend. I always
• 57:04
  Speaker 1: want to be true to Missy. Like being progressive doesn't mean,
• 57:07
  Speaker 1: like you know, tomorrow, up is down and down is up,
• 57:09
  Speaker 1: but it is. It is meaning like we're supposed to
• 57:11
  Speaker 1: be moving towards an even greater understanding of the truth
• 57:13
  Speaker 1: than of whatever kingdom come is supposed to look like.
• 57:16
  Speaker 1: And I want to be a part of that. And
• 57:18
  Speaker 1: now I'm just I think I've become willing to accept
• 57:20
  Speaker 1: that and appreciate that, you know. And and so then
• 57:23
  Speaker 1: the question is like, well, how do you know where
• 57:25
  Speaker 1: the line is and like, you know, how do you decide?
• 57:28
  Speaker 1: It's like, well, you always had to decide, You had
• 57:29
  Speaker 1: to decide before, but you just didn't admit it to yourself,
• 57:32
  Speaker 1: like you you can't outsource your beliefs. You can't say well,
• 57:36
  Speaker 1: like because my senator says it, or my pastor says it,
• 57:40
  Speaker 1: or my dad says it, like this is the argument
• 57:42
  Speaker 1: like a lot of Nazis try to use in their
• 57:44
  Speaker 1: trials afterwards, like well, yeah, I pulled the lever, but
• 57:47
  Speaker 1: like my sergeant told me to, like we hold them
• 57:50
  Speaker 1: account now, But your inner convictions told you you shouldn't
• 57:53
  Speaker 1: be doing what you were doing, and you did it.
• 57:55
  Speaker 1: And so the big I find and what some of
• 57:58
  Speaker 1: this record talks about is like realizing that you have
• 58:02
  Speaker 1: to decide what you believe and what you think is
• 58:05
  Speaker 1: for a lot of us paralyzing at first, like no, no, no,
• 58:07
  Speaker 1: I thought that was all sorted and I just agreed
• 58:10
  Speaker 1: with it, like no, that world doesn't exist because you
• 58:13
  Speaker 1: are taking ownership of what you believe in what you think,
• 58:16
  Speaker 1: and so it can feel paralyzing at first, but the
• 58:18
  Speaker 1: truth is it was always that way. That you are
• 58:22
  Speaker 1: having to agree that you agree with this person like
• 58:24
  Speaker 1: that's your choice, and that's like, yes, maybe the truth
• 58:28
  Speaker 1: is solid, but your perspective to it and your consent
• 58:31
  Speaker 1: to it is yours and yours alone to old. And
• 58:33
  Speaker 1: I've watched a lot of people when they realize, like, oh,
• 58:35
  Speaker 1: I don't want to have to decide that stuff. I
• 58:37
  Speaker 1: don't want to have to choose. Well, you do, like
• 58:41
  Speaker 1: you do have to decide because there's a billion people
• 58:43
  Speaker 1: who will tell you a billion different things about life, God,
• 58:46
  Speaker 1: the universe and everything, and where you line up on them,
• 58:50
  Speaker 1: you will be. You are responded, you will be accountable,
• 58:53
  Speaker 1: mixing like I'm talking about like judgment.
• 58:54
  Speaker 2: See, you just are.
• 58:55
  Speaker 4: Responsible for it, you know. Yeah, No, I'm right there
• 58:59
  Speaker 4: with you.
• 59:01
  Speaker 2: Aaron. You're ready for your top five most influential albums.
• 59:06
  Speaker 1: I'm gonna make myself ready. This is gonna be hard good.
• 59:10
  Speaker 1: I'm tempted to just like negate your rules and just
• 59:13
  Speaker 1: read my top twenty five because I have them written down,
• 59:16
  Speaker 1: But but I'm gonna but there.
• 59:18
  Speaker 4: Is no there is no negating of rules. You have
• 59:20
  Speaker 4: to do it as we say.
• 59:22
  Speaker 1: Okay, I will I will go. I think I think
• 59:25
  Speaker 1: four of them are easy. The fifth one will be hard.
• 59:27
  Speaker 1: I'll go in order of like impact, so I'd say
• 59:30
  Speaker 1: the first one that really and and when I think
• 59:31
  Speaker 1: about this, like, I am a very nostalgic person, but
• 59:34
  Speaker 1: I'm not nostalgic for music like pop punk was like
• 59:37
  Speaker 1: oh I listened to when I was thirteen, and I
• 59:39
  Speaker 1: don't listen to it at all now and don't really
• 59:41
  Speaker 1: put it on I I'm not nostalgic in that way.
• 59:44
  Speaker 1: So it's it's clarifying to me to think about the
• 59:46
  Speaker 1: artists I still go back to because there's still something
• 59:48
  Speaker 1: there for me to get and not like I already
• 59:51
  Speaker 1: got it out of it, Like I like, I love
• 59:53
  Speaker 1: MXBX is one of my hair bands, but I already
• 59:54
  Speaker 1: got what they had at the time, and I don't
• 59:56
  Speaker 1: find myself returning to it even though they're still killing it.
• 1:00:00
  Speaker 1: I said, the first artist that really impacted me to
• 1:00:01
  Speaker 1: six to me is Rich Mullins. Like when I was
• 1:00:05
  Speaker 1: being raised on mostly Christian music when I was a kid,
• 1:00:09
  Speaker 1: like until I was like twelve or thirteen, when I
• 1:00:10
  Speaker 1: discovered like punk rock and all the cool kids that
• 1:00:13
  Speaker 1: older kids showed me cool stuff. He sticks with me today.
• 1:00:16
  Speaker 1: I don't have a hard time with the production of
• 1:00:18
  Speaker 1: most of his records because they're very CCM Nashville. But
• 1:00:21
  Speaker 1: at the heart of him is like very singer songwriter,
• 1:00:24
  Speaker 1: like really deep lyrical truth and musical, Like when I
• 1:00:28
  Speaker 1: think about the DNA of who I Am, Like, there's
• 1:00:30
  Speaker 1: amazing piano riffs on his stuff, like he is like
• 1:00:33
  Speaker 1: playing world class like piano stuff and then writing really
• 1:00:37
  Speaker 1: solid melodies and then extremely deep, like you know, lyrical content.
• 1:00:42
  Speaker 1: And so I think those are the things that I
• 1:00:44
  Speaker 1: took from from Rich Mullins. Yeah, and then I think
• 1:00:47
  Speaker 1: the next one would probably be The Deaf Tones, was
• 1:00:53
  Speaker 1: the record me and my brother hit under the U.
• 1:00:55
  Speaker 4: Is it the deaftnes Uh?
• 1:00:57
  Speaker 1: I don't know, or is it just death? I think
• 1:00:59
  Speaker 1: it's just deaf.
• 1:01:00
  Speaker 4: I like that you called it the Deft Cones. I
• 1:01:02
  Speaker 4: think once you turned forward you have to call it
• 1:01:04
  Speaker 4: the well.
• 1:01:04
  Speaker 1: It's kind of like the Almighty Norma Jeane, you know,
• 1:01:07
  Speaker 1: like you you it's a reverential.
• 1:01:09
  Speaker 2: Give the Ukraine.
• 1:01:10
  Speaker 3: I don't know if I've ever heard somebody just say Ukraine.
• 1:01:13
  Speaker 3: It's always or the colin, you know.
• 1:01:16
  Speaker 1: Like it's just it's just another It's just it's a
• 1:01:18
  Speaker 1: term of respect. It's a term, but that is which
• 1:01:21
  Speaker 1: which Duftones album, by the way, or On the Fur?
• 1:01:25
  Speaker 1: I think that was the first one. I think we
• 1:01:26
  Speaker 1: got Around the Front immediately, we got the one before it,
• 1:01:29
  Speaker 1: I think, And then White Pony is is I think
• 1:01:32
  Speaker 1: from I mean like like the riffs on around the Fur,
• 1:01:34
  Speaker 1: like you know, shove, it was like the first riff
• 1:01:36
  Speaker 1: I ever learned of any difficulty, and I still love
• 1:01:41
  Speaker 1: that riff and like get and bored, like all those
• 1:01:44
  Speaker 1: early you know root like it's really early stuff like
• 1:01:47
  Speaker 1: those are some of the first riffs I ever learned.
• 1:01:49
  Speaker 1: And then like how beautifully he was singing. But then
• 1:01:52
  Speaker 1: also like early on I could recognize like he's doing
• 1:01:55
  Speaker 1: a lot of things that aren't technically right but feel awesome,
• 1:01:59
  Speaker 1: Like I would never a Deathtones record for my mom
• 1:02:01
  Speaker 1: and have her go. He's a brilliant singer, but to me,
• 1:02:03
  Speaker 1: I like put him on and I'm like, no one
• 1:02:05
  Speaker 1: sings better in the world like he, and he's doing
• 1:02:08
  Speaker 1: a super there's a uniqueness. There's are they're pulling from
• 1:02:13
  Speaker 1: genres that shouldn't go, like shoegaze and like heavy metal
• 1:02:16
  Speaker 1: and and those things are all like you know, shoegaze
• 1:02:19
  Speaker 1: is you know that that idea of like creating soundscapes,
• 1:02:23
  Speaker 1: and so there's so much there that's like an r
• 1:02:25
  Speaker 1: text for me. And then I've like, I've never heard
• 1:02:28
  Speaker 1: of Deathtones record and been like, dad, this one's not
• 1:02:30
  Speaker 1: good like they they they to me, they're a band
• 1:02:33
  Speaker 1: who keeps progressing, like them in Radiohead are bands that
• 1:02:36
  Speaker 1: just keep progressing and but not betraying themselves in some
• 1:02:41
  Speaker 1: cool way.
• 1:02:42
  Speaker 3: I love death Tones Deafthtones as a band for Cullen
• 1:02:45
  Speaker 3: that on paper he should like but just can't get into.
• 1:02:49
  Speaker 1: Dude, It's okay, Well, dude, liking something is as much
• 1:02:51
  Speaker 1: about context as anything.
• 1:02:52
  Speaker 4: Exactly, I think. So it's it's the yoga breathing thing
• 1:02:55
  Speaker 4: that I just can't. I just it's never really you know,
• 1:02:59
  Speaker 4: done it for me.
• 1:02:59
  Speaker 1: It's yeah, well and it just maybe didn't hit you
• 1:03:01
  Speaker 1: at the right season of life. But there's lots of beans.
• 1:03:03
  Speaker 1: I think that's the bigger part of it. Yeah. So,
• 1:03:06
  Speaker 1: so the Deftones and I mean, like Diamond Eyes came
• 1:03:09
  Speaker 1: out when we were writing Yet and I almost quit
• 1:03:11
  Speaker 1: because I was like, this record is so good I
• 1:03:13
  Speaker 1: should stop, Like why am I making anything? Because it
• 1:03:15
  Speaker 1: was like they had kind of been like I had
• 1:03:16
  Speaker 1: liked the last few records, but like when Diamond Eyes
• 1:03:18
  Speaker 1: came out, I was like, Yo, these guys are are
• 1:03:20
  Speaker 1: all in again, and I've just loved everything they've done,
• 1:03:23
  Speaker 1: so sonically there's a lot of connection there. Then I'd
• 1:03:26
  Speaker 1: say Immagen Heap as a British singer, songwriter, producer. When
• 1:03:32
  Speaker 1: I've heard her first record, like now it's probably fourteen
• 1:03:35
  Speaker 1: to fifteen years ago, it was again like prodigious talent,
• 1:03:39
  Speaker 1: like she writes really incredibly piano player, incredible producer, she
• 1:03:43
  Speaker 1: produces her own stuff. She also helped me to really fully.
• 1:03:47
  Speaker 1: She was the first time I loved a female artist,
• 1:03:49
  Speaker 1: like not just liked one, but loved one. And now
• 1:03:51
  Speaker 1: that's like almost all I listened to is female artists.
• 1:03:54
  Speaker 1: I could tell the detail and everything, and I also
• 1:03:58
  Speaker 1: appreciated At the time it was like it was an
• 1:04:00
  Speaker 1: amen because it was what I was trying to do
• 1:04:02
  Speaker 1: and I was watching she was like, write incredible compositions
• 1:04:06
  Speaker 1: and strip them down to their bones and make sure
• 1:04:08
  Speaker 1: the chords and melodies and lyrics were meaningful and then
• 1:04:11
  Speaker 1: reclothe them. And that is a lot of my favorite
• 1:04:13
  Speaker 1: musicians are like the core of the song can be
• 1:04:15
  Speaker 1: stripped down to chords and melody. That's really simple, but
• 1:04:18
  Speaker 1: there's a lot of thought into every note and production layer.
• 1:04:21
  Speaker 4: Yeah, that's a very Radiohead esque style of writing in
• 1:04:25
  Speaker 4: my opinion.
• 1:04:26
  Speaker 1: Yes, Radiohead should probably be one of the five. Although
• 1:04:30
  Speaker 1: I was super late to the Radiohead party. I didn't
• 1:04:33
  Speaker 1: really get them until In Rainbows, and In Rainbows is
• 1:04:37
  Speaker 1: a top ten record for me for sure.
• 1:04:39
  Speaker 4: Good stuff.
• 1:04:40
  Speaker 1: Oh okay, and if I was going in order after
• 1:04:41
  Speaker 1: the Deaf UNEs, I should have said Pedro the Lion.
• 1:04:45
  Speaker 2: I just saw him like this weekend on Saturday.
• 1:04:48
  Speaker 1: Dave Bison is one of the best living singer songwriters.
• 1:04:51
  Speaker 1: If I write one song close to as good as he,
• 1:04:54
  Speaker 1: I will die a happy man.
• 1:04:56
  Speaker 4: I think you have.
• 1:04:57
  Speaker 1: Personally, well, thank you, I he is so The first
• 1:05:01
  Speaker 1: thing I ever heard of him was The Winners Never
• 1:05:03
  Speaker 1: Quit EP, which is sort of like a almost like
• 1:05:06
  Speaker 1: a theme record about like this corrupted politician person of faith.
• 1:05:11
  Speaker 1: And I just remember sitting in a van when I
• 1:05:13
  Speaker 1: was like sixteen and like didn't have the brains yet
• 1:05:15
  Speaker 1: to even comprehend it, but I.
• 1:05:16
  Speaker 2: Could just it it. Did it take me?
• 1:05:19
  Speaker 1: I mean, at like sixteen and seventeen, I was into
• 1:05:20
  Speaker 1: such different stuff, but it did connect me back to
• 1:05:23
  Speaker 1: Rich Mullens. I'm like, there's something similar about the approach
• 1:05:25
  Speaker 1: to lyrics here, about it being so well thought out
• 1:05:28
  Speaker 1: and there being pictures and stories, and then to this day,
• 1:05:31
  Speaker 1: like I guess current series is amazing. I mean, some
• 1:05:34
  Speaker 1: of his last record just had so many incredible songs.
• 1:05:37
  Speaker 1: He keeps progressing, So I would say, I would say
• 1:05:42
  Speaker 1: Page of the Lion as far as my song, and
• 1:05:45
  Speaker 1: there's still a lot like there are a heavy rock
• 1:05:47
  Speaker 1: band at times, and so that there's a lot of
• 1:05:48
  Speaker 1: stuff in my epic where it's like, I mean, if
• 1:05:51
  Speaker 1: you mix these artists together, you're gonna hear Loriella, you know,
• 1:05:54
  Speaker 1: like and then for the fifth slot, like I'm really
• 1:05:57
  Speaker 1: torn between either something from the ninety or Radio Ahead.
• 1:06:01
  Speaker 1: But if I'm being honest, it's probably like Cigareroes, like that.
• 1:06:06
  Speaker 2: Is which which Sugarros album do you want to say?
• 1:06:09
  Speaker 4: Well, the first one that got me was that's a joke, now, Mason,
• 1:06:12
  Speaker 4: Like it'd be like, all right, try to pronounce one
• 1:06:14
  Speaker 4: of these gibberish Icelandic names.
• 1:06:18
  Speaker 2: That's why you just got to pick Valtari because it's
• 1:06:20
  Speaker 2: the easiest one.
• 1:06:21
  Speaker 1: This record is called Velisi. Uh yeah, like you know,
• 1:06:25
  Speaker 1: like yeah, I think Talk was the first record that
• 1:06:30
  Speaker 1: really got me. And I think, uh glossally or whatever
• 1:06:33
  Speaker 1: the song that has like basically it's just one long
• 1:06:36
  Speaker 1: build and at the end it's like the most massive
• 1:06:38
  Speaker 1: wall of distortions. I've seen them twice live, and I
• 1:06:42
  Speaker 1: can't say they were the best concerts I've ever seen
• 1:06:44
  Speaker 1: because they don't fit in that category. It was more
• 1:06:46
  Speaker 1: like seeing a sunset, like it was. It was just
• 1:06:50
  Speaker 1: so wild and I saw I saw them with like
• 1:06:53
  Speaker 1: a bunch of friends twice in like a year, I
• 1:06:55
  Speaker 1: think on the Voltaire tour or the one before it,
• 1:06:58
  Speaker 1: and it was just insane. And I think that also
• 1:07:02
  Speaker 1: they helped me really understand texture and and like all
• 1:07:07
  Speaker 1: this all this stuff that Tanner's really good at, like
• 1:07:09
  Speaker 1: which I always appreciated but couldn't get my head around.
• 1:07:12
  Speaker 1: And who can get their head around their music. But
• 1:07:15
  Speaker 1: I don't know that I've like loved the last few
• 1:07:17
  Speaker 1: Cigareroses records as much, but I'm always glad when they
• 1:07:19
  Speaker 1: come out, Like I feel like the last record, I
• 1:07:21
  Speaker 1: just I need to sit with it more. It kind
• 1:07:23
  Speaker 1: of felt more like Jonesy soundscape stuff. But but they
• 1:07:27
  Speaker 1: just sound like nobody and anybody who sounds like them
• 1:07:29
  Speaker 1: sounds like them. It's like me without you. If you
• 1:07:31
  Speaker 1: sound like me without you, you sound like me without you.
• 1:07:34
  Speaker 1: You know, it's like, you know, it's not like you're
• 1:07:35
  Speaker 1: in the same genre.
• 1:07:37
  Speaker 3: So or like, yeah, I would say, like they're a
• 1:07:40
  Speaker 3: band where if you sound like Cigaros, then you're like,
• 1:07:45
  Speaker 3: it's sound you sound like a cover band of Sergaros, Yes, yes,
• 1:07:49
  Speaker 3: rather than like you sounding like your own band, just
• 1:07:51
  Speaker 3: in the same way. Like this is part of the
• 1:07:52
  Speaker 3: reason and I understand why people like a lot of dispute.
• 1:07:55
  Speaker 3: I can't get in the law dispute because to me,
• 1:07:57
  Speaker 3: they sound like a a cover band of me without you,
• 1:08:01
  Speaker 3: not a band in and of itself.
• 1:08:03
  Speaker 1: Yeah. Have you ever seen the rig rundown with Jonesy's
• 1:08:06
  Speaker 1: guitar Tech? No, no, okay, everybody needs to go watch
• 1:08:09
  Speaker 1: this unless you're a musician, then don't watch it or
• 1:08:11
  Speaker 1: you'll want to quit. But they're like, they're like so excited.
• 1:08:14
  Speaker 1: The guys like it's John Bollinger, whoever does all these
• 1:08:17
  Speaker 1: rig rundowns, and he's like with Jonesy's guitar tech, who's
• 1:08:20
  Speaker 1: you know, obviously Icelandic and they're like excited to see
• 1:08:23
  Speaker 1: his pedal board and there's like nothing on it, like,
• 1:08:27
  Speaker 1: oh no, he has no reverb pedal and he just
• 1:08:31
  Speaker 1: literally has like a kind of a decent delay and
• 1:08:34
  Speaker 1: some gains and a compressor, and like the dude keeps
• 1:08:39
  Speaker 1: asking like but how does he get that sound? And
• 1:08:42
  Speaker 1: the guitar tech goes, he's from his fingers. This is
• 1:08:45
  Speaker 1: that's Jones how he plays. He plays like these like
• 1:08:48
  Speaker 1: he's just it's it's a go watch it. It'll blow
• 1:08:50
  Speaker 1: your mind. I mean it's just like and it's funny
• 1:08:52
  Speaker 1: because someone asked me a couple of hours ago. They
• 1:08:55
  Speaker 1: were like I gotta ask, Like it was when May
• 1:08:58
  Speaker 1: was in the band, so Nate was playing guitar Tanner
• 1:08:59
  Speaker 1: couldn't go and someone's like, what is how is how
• 1:09:02
  Speaker 1: is Nate getting that guitar tone? Like what is that pedal?
• 1:09:05
  Speaker 1: And I was like, dude, go ask him. He will
• 1:09:07
  Speaker 1: have no clue because we flew in for that date
• 1:09:09
  Speaker 1: and I just brought I have like a little backup board.
• 1:09:11
  Speaker 1: I just brought my backup board and I think he
• 1:09:13
  Speaker 1: threw like an extra ge a fuzz on it. Or something,
• 1:09:15
  Speaker 1: and then he just like the sound is Nate, Like
• 1:09:18
  Speaker 1: Nate sounds like that, like that, He's just good, Like Yeah,
• 1:09:21
  Speaker 1: he brought a crappy backup amp and he like he
• 1:09:24
  Speaker 1: like literally dialed it in for the thirty seconds we
• 1:09:26
  Speaker 1: were throwing it on stage and he turned some pedals
• 1:09:28
  Speaker 1: and Tanner's the same way. Like Tanner's just like I
• 1:09:31
  Speaker 1: could I could go anywhere in the world and if
• 1:09:33
  Speaker 1: Tanner was playing guitar, I would know he's there. Like
• 1:09:35
  Speaker 1: it just sounds unique, and I'm envious of that because
• 1:09:38
  Speaker 1: I don't really feel like I have that tone wise.
• 1:09:39
  Speaker 1: But anyway, go watch go watch the cigarettes Rig run.
• 1:09:43
  Speaker 1: It's probably like ten years old.
• 1:09:44
  Speaker 4: I have to watch that. You know, there is something
• 1:09:46
  Speaker 4: that's kind of interesting because post rock always gets a
• 1:09:49
  Speaker 4: bad rap for being, you know, super pedal heavy and
• 1:09:53
  Speaker 4: everything like that. But if you go to a post
• 1:09:55
  Speaker 4: rock show and you look at the pedals that they
• 1:09:57
  Speaker 4: actually have on stage, most of the good bands that
• 1:10:02
  Speaker 4: the really big ones have very very few, maybe three
• 1:10:05
  Speaker 4: pedals on on stage, and one of those is a
• 1:10:07
  Speaker 4: compressor pedal.
• 1:10:08
  Speaker 1: Yes, yeah, and they know exactly and a lot of
• 1:10:11
  Speaker 1: the gear isn't new. Yeah, they like know exactly how
• 1:10:14
  Speaker 1: they want to use it, Like I I forever. I
• 1:10:17
  Speaker 1: just kept a boss DD twenty even though everybody had
• 1:10:19
  Speaker 1: all these new pedals, and I finally switched to a
• 1:10:21
  Speaker 1: two hundred like last year because it was smaller. But
• 1:10:23
  Speaker 1: it's the same pedal because like, no, I know how
• 1:10:26
  Speaker 1: that pedal works, and I have five tricks that can
• 1:10:27
  Speaker 1: do with it that are part of our sound. And
• 1:10:29
  Speaker 1: I could just dial in in and not think about it,
• 1:10:31
  Speaker 1: but yeah, it is. It's like explosions in the sky,
• 1:10:34
  Speaker 1: like they they everyone tries to start a post rock
• 1:10:37
  Speaker 1: band because like you do the math and you're like
• 1:10:39
  Speaker 1: it looks I know what they're doing, but no one
• 1:10:42
  Speaker 1: sounds that good doing it, like and and like there's
• 1:10:45
  Speaker 1: a few post rock band like I mean, like you know,
• 1:10:47
  Speaker 1: there's Caspians, like a Maze, There's there's plenty of great
• 1:10:50
  Speaker 1: post rock bands. But like it's it should be easy
• 1:10:52
  Speaker 1: in theory, but to do it right, like, yeah, it involves,
• 1:10:56
  Speaker 1: like anything, to do it right involves real time investment,
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  Speaker 1: real talent.
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  Speaker 4: Yeah.
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  Speaker 3: I saw a tweet a few years ago that was
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  Speaker 3: something along the lines of I can tell if somebody
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  Speaker 3: is a Christian by their pedal board. And so the
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  Speaker 3: way you're describing this, I'm like, are like, you know,
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  Speaker 3: they're probably like, if you got a big enough pedal board, yeah,
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  Speaker 3: you might just be like a worship bar, do dude.
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  Speaker 1: Okay, no, no trying to get me in trouble here, Mason.
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  Speaker 1: But I'll be honest, there's no shame if you play
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  Speaker 1: in church every week and you have a big pedal
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  Speaker 1: board and you enjoy it, dude, have a blast.
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  Speaker 4: That would agree you.
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  Speaker 1: But when we show up at a show, and a
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  Speaker 1: lot of times when we pull in sometimes there's like
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  Speaker 1: an opening band pulling their gear in or they're like
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  Speaker 1: sound checking or whatever, and you can tell immediately who
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  Speaker 1: are the guys that only play at church and don't tour,
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  Speaker 1: Because if they don't tour, they have much bigger boards
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  Speaker 1: and they have much more expensive boutique pedals. But if
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  Speaker 1: they tour, you go like, what's the what's the minimum? Now,
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  Speaker 1: maybe the minimum is thirty pedals, but like it's only
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  Speaker 1: these thirty because every pedal is a place that can break,
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  Speaker 1: and every every connection is a place that can break.
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  Speaker 1: So even the guys with big boards, like they all
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  Speaker 1: want it to be as minimal as it can be
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  Speaker 1: and do the job. And it's like, why do so
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  Speaker 1: many really good bands still use like electroharmonics and boss
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  Speaker 1: pedals because they don't break and if they do, you
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  Speaker 1: can spend one hundred bucks at Guitar Center and and
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  Speaker 1: you know, it's like I have a few boutique pedals
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  Speaker 1: and they're the ones that like they're and they're so
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  Speaker 1: key to my sounds to it's sounding right to my ear.
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  Speaker 1: But yes, you can tell the guys who like don't
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  Speaker 1: have to lug it in and out of a van
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  Speaker 1: every night and beat it up, and you know what, good,
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  Speaker 1: that's great, have nice stuff, you know, like do what
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  Speaker 1: you want to do. But you can tell, you can
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  Speaker 1: tell you totally can.
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  Speaker 2: Do you have one more album?
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  Speaker 4: I think that was I think it was fine.
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  Speaker 1: That was fine. Yeah, so okay, I thought you asked
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  Speaker 1: me if I was going to make another record and
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  Speaker 1: I was like, I sure, hope. So are you telling
• 1:12:45
  Speaker 1: me I'm dying? Like, uh yeah, So it's it's.
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  Speaker 2: Uh, you're calling a nice friendship is hinging on this?
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  Speaker 1: I know, I really really well. We're planning on writing
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  Speaker 1: like in a month, so uh uh so there's good
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  Speaker 1: news where we don't ever intend to have this long
• 1:12:59
  Speaker 1: of a silence like that was accidental and not intentional.
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  Speaker 1: But yeah, so I would say, if if I'm guns
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  Speaker 1: held in my head, I'd say Rich Mullins, the Deftnes Pedro,
• 1:13:08
  Speaker 1: the Lion, Emma, Jenny Heap, and Cigareroes, And then if
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  Speaker 1: I get honorable mentions, it would be like a lot
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  Speaker 1: of nineties Smashing Pumpkin stuff and Radiohead.
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  Speaker 4: Yeah, totally sweet.
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  Speaker 3: Well, what do you want to plug erin? Obviously new
• 1:13:21
  Speaker 3: albums coming out soon, what do you want to plug?
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  Speaker 1: Yeah, Loriella's out. I guess by the time this will
• 1:13:25
  Speaker 1: be out, it'll be out. And it's our first length
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  Speaker 1: in forever, and it's got all of if you like
• 1:13:31
  Speaker 1: our sound, if you like ultraviolet or violence or broken voice,
• 1:13:33
  Speaker 1: it's kind of all on there. And we got to
• 1:13:38
  Speaker 1: do this record differently, and I have never been more proud,
• 1:13:40
  Speaker 1: and so we hope you'll like it. And we are
• 1:13:43
  Speaker 1: playing some show. When is this coming out?
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  Speaker 2: Some point? Probably in July?
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  Speaker 1: Okay, so we have some shows in July. We're playing
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  Speaker 1: at Audio Feed and we're playing in North Carolina the
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  Speaker 1: night afterwards. I don't know if this will be out
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  Speaker 1: by then, but July fifth and sixth. We don't get
• 1:13:59
  Speaker 1: to play as often as we'd like, so if we're
• 1:14:01
  Speaker 1: near you, you should come because we probably won't come
• 1:14:04
  Speaker 1: anytime soon again. And then we're working on some shows
• 1:14:06
  Speaker 1: around Furnace Fest in October, and then we will be
• 1:14:10
  Speaker 1: having a live studio like A like A. It's pre taped,
• 1:14:13
  Speaker 1: but live performances. Is the new record we're calling it
• 1:14:16
  Speaker 1: Lord l Of the film that'll be coming out in
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  Speaker 1: July and August. And that was super fun to do.
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  Speaker 1: And then yeah, I mean you said plug, So if
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  Speaker 1: you have any production I own a production company with
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  Speaker 1: one of my good friends, and we mostly produced lots
• 1:14:30
  Speaker 1: of corporate, like super professional stuff. We have done some
• 1:14:33
  Speaker 1: of the new band content like the two new music videos,
• 1:14:35
  Speaker 1: and we're producing the lord yell of the film. But
• 1:14:38
  Speaker 1: also like we have a couple of we have three
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  Speaker 1: nationwide clients like big companies. We do lots of corporate stuff.
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  Speaker 1: We've also done lots of crazy YouTube funny stuff that
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  Speaker 1: I'm you know, So if you have a if you
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  Speaker 1: need video production, and then I'd love to talk to
• 1:14:52
  Speaker 1: you and you can just hit me up. But I
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  Speaker 1: think that would be all the plugs come.
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  Speaker 2: Hang love it, love it? Anything else you'd like to plug.
• 1:15:02
  Speaker 1: Anything else I'd like to plug. I think, uh, you know,
• 1:15:06
  Speaker 1: getting creative with the sounds. Nate likes to say a
• 1:15:10
  Speaker 1: lot that everybody can sound good these days thanks to
• 1:15:13
  Speaker 1: gear like and tech.
• 1:15:14
  Speaker 4: It's beautiful.
• 1:15:15
  Speaker 1: That's a good thing, not a bad thing. But what's
• 1:15:17
  Speaker 1: important is to sound special, unique and right to the sound.
• 1:15:20
  Speaker 1: And so I will give away a secret that I
• 1:15:23
  Speaker 1: didn't plan on giving away to the record, which is
• 1:15:26
  Speaker 1: that like mixed in with the sound of a snare,
• 1:15:29
  Speaker 1: the whole record is a bit of a home depot
• 1:15:32
  Speaker 1: bucket and what and then the reason is because the
• 1:15:36
  Speaker 1: first full band writing well not the first, but the
• 1:15:38
  Speaker 1: like the last in earnest full band writing session we
• 1:15:41
  Speaker 1: flew alex In everybody came to Louisville. We we'd written
• 1:15:44
  Speaker 1: a bunch with my brother and it was like, okay,
• 1:15:45
  Speaker 1: now we got to Riad for studio and we barred
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  Speaker 1: a drum set or Nate brought a drum set and
• 1:15:50
  Speaker 1: forgot the snare, and we ended up barring a snare
• 1:15:52
  Speaker 1: from a from I think Grayhaven. But but before we
• 1:15:55
  Speaker 1: got we had a day where we wrote without it,
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  Speaker 1: and so all we had we were in this building
• 1:15:59
  Speaker 1: we had rehab, so we just had a bucket and
• 1:16:01
  Speaker 1: we threw it on the snare stand and there's a
• 1:16:03
  Speaker 1: demo on the that we didn't use it. Probably a
• 1:16:05
  Speaker 1: single in the future called Buckets for that reason. And
• 1:16:08
  Speaker 1: it was so cool sounding that we mixed a little
• 1:16:11
  Speaker 1: bit of the bucket into the snare sound and that
• 1:16:13
  Speaker 1: is like, that's the snare sound of this record. It's
• 1:16:16
  Speaker 1: it's probably forty percent Mac Goldman's drum engineering forty percent.
• 1:16:20
  Speaker 1: I don't know, I don't know. I do the percentage.
• 1:16:22
  Speaker 1: It's a lot of percent Matt Goldman, a lot of
• 1:16:23
  Speaker 1: percent Ate, a lot of percent Alex and Jesse's playing,
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  Speaker 1: and just a little bit of home bucket, a.
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  Speaker 4: Little bit of b I love it. That's cool. You
• 1:16:32
  Speaker 4: can't beat that, you know. Yeah, it's better than It's
• 1:16:35
  Speaker 4: better than Lars Ulrik using a what do they call
• 1:16:38
  Speaker 4: it a beer a beer drum?
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  Speaker 1: Yeah, what I'm my bigger point is just if you're
• 1:16:44
  Speaker 1: making something, get a little weird with it. Like the
• 1:16:46
  Speaker 1: advice my business partner said that he heard from another
• 1:16:50
  Speaker 1: filmmaker that we've taken is like when you're shooting anything
• 1:16:53
  Speaker 1: or taking photographs from making like do everything you know,
• 1:16:56
  Speaker 1: all you ought to do, and then save yourself ten
• 1:16:58
  Speaker 1: percent of time just to try a bunch of weird
• 1:16:59
  Speaker 1: stuf and you end up finding that the weird stuff
• 1:17:01
  Speaker 1: ends up being your favorite the stuff you build around it.
• 1:17:03
  Speaker 1: And that's true for any creative process.
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  Speaker 4: So it's true.
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  Speaker 1: Mix a little home depot bucket is my way of
• 1:17:07
  Speaker 1: saying that, you know.
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  Speaker 3: I will I will say that one of my favorite
• 1:17:12
  Speaker 3: drum sounds is you know, when you get done watching
• 1:17:15
  Speaker 3: a football game and you go out and there's like
• 1:17:17
  Speaker 3: the street performers drumming like it's such a sick sound,
• 1:17:21
  Speaker 3: like they're able to really get a great tone out
• 1:17:23
  Speaker 3: of that drum.
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  Speaker 2: It's or out of that bucket. I guess it's great.
• 1:17:27
  Speaker 1: Yeah, yeah, more bands should just play the They should
• 1:17:29
  Speaker 1: have a bucketer instead of a drummer. And now we
• 1:17:31
  Speaker 1: wonder why slip not is so ridiculously successful.
• 1:17:33
  Speaker 4: That's a very good point.
• 1:17:35
  Speaker 2: Yeah, that's true.
• 1:17:35
  Speaker 1: We need to get I guess we need to get
• 1:17:37
  Speaker 1: masks and then we'll finally make it.
• 1:17:39
  Speaker 2: You need to be well with your face.
• 1:17:42
  Speaker 3: Eron.
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  Speaker 2: I don't think we should be putting a mask over that.
• 1:17:44
  Speaker 1: Yeah, but what dude, vote, thank you a thank you,
• 1:17:46
  Speaker 1: you sweet thing. Uh but secondly, like, what a great
• 1:17:49
  Speaker 1: way to hide that you're an aging rock band. Yeah, exactly,
• 1:17:52
  Speaker 1: it's True's.
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  Speaker 4: So smart, that's very very smart.
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  Speaker 1: Well, thank you guys so much for having me. It's
• 1:17:59
  Speaker 1: been a pleasure and I super appreciate and I just
• 1:18:02
  Speaker 1: hope your friendship holds together. Yeah.
• 1:18:04
  Speaker 2: Well, well you've got a lot writing on you.
• 1:18:06
  Speaker 4: So the next album's got to be called Friendship.
• 1:18:10
  Speaker 1: Yeah, it's actually called Colin and Mason. That's what the records.
• 1:18:14
  Speaker 4: That would be amazing, That will definitely get on the wikipedias.
• 1:18:18
  Speaker 2: Yeah, there we go. Finally take all off.
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  Speaker 4: And make your own way.
• 1:18:27
  Speaker 2: The thing. Never see it coming, small
• 1:18:33
  Speaker 1: As you are, gotta really