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Ian Edwards (2025) - Stand-up, Fighting and the Cold War · The Joe Rogan Recap

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  Welcome to the Joe Rogan recap. We've just spent a lot of time
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  digging into a recent really long conversation and it jumps
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  around, you know, from like, the tiny details of setting up a
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  comedy studio. Yeah, the nuts and bolts.
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  All the way to, well, global geopolitics and the pretty
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  brutal history of fighting it's. Quite the range.
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  So our mission here for you listening is to kind of pull out
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  the core ideas, things about chasing mastery, the harsh side
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  of show business, and maybe some surprising stuff hidden in big
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  world events. Right, we want you to get those
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  aha moments without, you know, getting totally buried in
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  information. It's about the tension, isn't
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  it, that intense focus you need to succeed versus all these big
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  systemic things happening outside that seemed designed to
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  mislead or control us. A real duality, the individual
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  drive against the world's chaos. So where do we start the studio?
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  Yeah, let's start there, because it was actually pretty
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  interesting the details about the physical space, like the
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  host's irritation with the old JRE Studios fake brick.
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  Oh, right. It wasn't plastic though, which
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  is what you might think. No, it was weirder.
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  Like thin slices of real brick. Glued onto a mesh backing.
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  Exactly, and that kind of half fake thing just it bugged him.
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  Which leads to the bigger question they kicked around.
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  Yeah, Why is a brick wall the go to backdrop for stand up?
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  Nobody really knows for sure, do they?
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  Yeah. They guessed maybe evening at
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  the Improv back in the 80s, Yeah, but it's kind of lost the
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  time. But it symbolizes something,
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  right? That wall is the proving ground.
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  Definitely. And they moved pretty quick from
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  the look of the place to the actual grind of, you know,
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  getting to stand in front of that.
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  Wall and that path has changed so much.
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  Oh, total look, back in the day you had to be in New York or
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  Boston maybe. Manhattan really standing in
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  line at the comic strip, hoping for a number.
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  Just a chance to get on stage for a few minutes.
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  Because the realization was stark, all the comics that were
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  on TV were in Manhattan. Simple as that.
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  And TV was everything. Everything.
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  It wasn't just about being funny.
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  You. Needed the exposure.
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  Without it, forget it. Like they said, no audience
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  would take a chance on this motherfucker.
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  It shows how little control comics had back then.
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  The system held all the keys. But now it feels different, more
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  decentralized maybe. Yeah, and they pointed to kill
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  Tony as this like modern Crucible.
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  The sheer terror and opportunity of that show.
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  Right. The idea that one killer minute,
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  just one minute on that show can literally change your entire
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  life overnight. It's immense, and you see that
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  reflected in the work ethic of some newer comics.
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  They talked about the Sandler, Spade, Myers generation going
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  from SNL St. to movies. Which is kind of slowed down
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  now, maybe because of what they called woke bullshit.
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  But the grain itself hasn't stopped, no.
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  Way look Cam Patterson. He came up as an example.
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  Always working. And doing 1 new minute of kill
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  Tony every week. Think about that pressure, that
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  relentless crafting. That kind of pressure, that
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  focus, it leads right into the mental side of it all.
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  It's. A mental warfare, yeah.
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  That feeling when you see another comic who's just
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  undeniably brilliant and it's described as this mix of anger
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  and love. Right.
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  You have to admire it. The party is just furious.
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  Yeah. Jealous.
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  Yeah. Grappling with their success
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  while trying to find your own. And the business itself is just
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  ruthless. Remember the story about Cam
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  Patterson again? Which one?
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  The comic who complimented him genuinely impressed and then
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  found out Patterson had basically poached his manager
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  right after. Yeah, that's brutal.
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  But maybe, maybe that active competition is still better than
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  the alternative they discussed, which is the comics who just
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  vanished. Right, the talented ones who
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  couldn't stick it out. Got regular jobs, moved on.
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  And became weirdly bitter or even sinister towards the ones
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  who made it. That's the real tragedy, isn't
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  it? And that anecdote about bling
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  the veteran comic? Oh, I love Jola.
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  Yeah, that was rough. His stuff is still in the
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  headliner condo, like a ghost of his past success.
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  But he finds out he's booked a feature middle act, not
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  headlining. And he just walked out, couldn't
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  do it. The pride, the demotion, it's
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  heartbreaking it. Really is it's the nightmare
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  scenario compared to the dream scenario which is hitting that
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  that flow state A. Stream of consciousness space.
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  Or the last dragon phase as they put it, where you're not even
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  driving anymore. You're just a passenger of your
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  own act. Everything is just happening.
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  But getting there so hard, what stops it?
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  The backseat driver in your head.
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  Yep, that inner critic. The doubt, the tension.
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  And the only way past it apparently, is just massive
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  amounts of stage time. And recording everything.
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  Mike Donovan's advice you. Record every single set because
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  you might say something brilliant.
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  A perfect tagline. Spontaneously.
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  And if you don't record it, poof, gone forever.
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  Capturing lightning in a bottle. But then you got to scale that
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  lightning. That's the next hurdle, taking
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  your killer 5 minutes and making it 10 or 15 without watering it
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  down. That's tough.
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  They mentioned the guy who bombed hard at Temple University
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  in. Front of 2000 people because his
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  jokes were too specific. Yeah, Jamaican jokes that killed
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  in New York or DC or Florida. But fell completely flat
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  elsewhere. He realized he was chasing
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  regional laughs, not the universal truths of comedy.
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  And that struggle, trying to make something local work
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  universally, It kind of pivots us, doesn't it?
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  How so? Well, if achieving mastery means
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  silencing your inner critic and finding universal truths, OK,
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  what happens when the biggest backseat driver is the external
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  world? These huge forces messing things
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  up. The systemic stuff, deception,
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  chaos. Right.
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  Which brings us to that whole deep dive into geopolitics, the
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  reasons behind the conflicts starting.
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  With Vietnam and Muhammad Ali. His refusal to go in 67 cost him
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  four years, his absolute prime. A massive sacrifice, yeah.
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  And it highlights the questions they raised about why that war
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  was fought. The suggestion being maybe it
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  was partly about controlling the opium trade.
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  Which sounds like a conspiracy theory maybe, but it connected
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  it forward. To Iraq and Afghanistan, yeah.
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  The feeling after 911 the WMD claims feeling duped.
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  And then the claim tied to Afghanistan that at one point
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  like 90% of the world's heroin came from there.
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  And the idea that U.S. troops were seen allegedly guarding
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  poppy fields. Directly connecting a foreign
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  war to the opioid crisis right here.
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  It's staggering if true. The layers of potential
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  manipulation disgust were, yeah, stunning.
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  Like the Business Plot in 1933, the.
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  Plot to overthrow FDR. And install General Smedley
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  Butler, the guy who literally wrote War is a Racket as a
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  dictator. And the craziest part?
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  No one got prosecuted, nothing happened to the plotters, it
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  just went away. That speaks volumes about who
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  holds the power, doesn't it? Makes you question everything
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  like Watergate. They argued the break in itself,
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  listening to the Democrats, was maybe overblown.
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  Especially now post Snowden, we know mass surveillance is just
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  normally expected. Almost.
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  Yeah, and then there was that theory floated that Nixon wasn't
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  taken down for the break in itself.
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  But because he supposedly knew who killed Kennedy and couldn't
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  shut the fuck up about it behind closed doors.
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  Wild stuff. It feels like threads of control
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  pulling everywhere. Even in unexpected places like
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  NASA. That recent executive order
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  redefining Nasas primary function to include
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  intelligence, counterintelligence,
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  investigative or national security work.
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  Yeah. Quietly done and maybe tied to
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  undercutting unions collective bargaining.
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  It all feels like moves to consolidate power limit
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  challenges. And that feeling of being duped
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  isn't just politics or war. It hit home financially, too.
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  The 2008 collapse, yeah. The housing market implodes.
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  People lose everything. And the CEO's who caused it get
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  bonuses. Where did the bailout money
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  actually go? It felt like the system
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  protecting itself absolutely. Which connects to the view
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  presented about the pandemic, doesn't.
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  It the idea of a massive wealth transfer.
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  Exactly. Small businesses, the mom and
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  pop places forced to close. While the big chains Walmart,
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  Target, Amazon stayed open, deemed essential.
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  So wealth just got legally siphoned upwards like a rigged
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  game and. Speaking of rigged games, yeah,
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  the corporate side like glyphosate Roundup.
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  Oh, right, the stuff linked to cancer.
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  Maybe Alzheimer's. Especially in your golf courses,
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  apparently. But it's legal and the companies
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  involved just a budget for the lawsuits.
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  Treat it like a cost of doing business.
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  Is just brutal. Potential harm versus profit.
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  Profit wins. That idea of cost, the brutal
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  cost, it brings us neatly to the fighters, doesn't it?
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  Yeah. The price paid in the ring.
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  The most immediate physical cost of commitment.
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  Ali again, that four year layoff, it's perfect
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  illustration. You compare them before and
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  after 1966 Ali against Cleveland Williams.
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  Untouchable. The movement, the speed.
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  Pure magic. Then he comes back in 1970
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  against Jerry Quarry. What's a little pudgy?
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  They said. And he couldn't dance the same
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  way. He had to rely on his chin, his
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  toughness, a different fighter. The cost of losing that peak
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  focus that time. And the ultimate cost?
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  CTE, chronic traumatic encephalopathy.
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  They talked about Jerry Quarry again, died young, terrible
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  dementia. And modern guys like Brendan
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  Schaub talking about taking concussions almost daily and
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  sparring with monsters like Shane Carwin?
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  It's part. Of the job back then?
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  Insane. And iconic fights that changed
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  lives forever. Meldrick Taylor versus Julio
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  Cesar Chavez. Oh man, Taylor was winning.
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  Dominating, basically. Until the very last seconds of
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  the very last round. Referee stops it.
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  And Taylor was just never the same again.
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  Yeah, physically, mentally ruined.
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  The visual they described too, seeing fighters the day after a
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  fight. At the airport maybe?
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  Yeah, one eye swollen shut, shuffling along.
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  A real wake up call, they said, about the stakes.
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  It boils down to that fighters mentality, the absolute
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  commitment you. Have to be completely all in.
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  And that pre fight hug, it's not just respect.
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  It's almost like a goodbye. Because you truly don't know if
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  the person leaving the ring will be the same one who entered
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  mentally or physically. It's the peak of dedication,
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  isn't it? That singular focus, no matter
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  the cost. So if we tie it all together,
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  yeah, what's the take away? Well, we've seen this incredible
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  fierce dedication needed for mastery, whether it's comedy
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  reaching that flow state. Or Ollie's prime movement, that
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  untouchable grace. Silencing the inner critic.
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  Total focus. But that exists right alongside,
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  almost in opposition to this constant external pressure.
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  Political games? Corporate greed, Systems
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  designed to confuse or control mass chaos?
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  Really. That's a duality right there,
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  yeah. Yeah, and that leaves us with a
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  pretty big question for you, the listener.
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  If reaching the highest levels of mastery like that flow state
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  or Primali demands shutting out the noise.
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  Absolute focus. How do you square that?
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  How do you balance that necessary internal focus with
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  the need to stay aware, to be critical of The Dirty political
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  game, the corporate stuff, all the forces trying to dupe us?
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  Where do you put your attention when the world is actively
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  trying to split it? Something to think about.