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#280: Return to Sleepaway Camp (2008) · What's Your (Least) Favorite Scary Movie?

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  Hello. What's your least favorite scary
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  movie? Your ass stinks.
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  Yeah, well, I'm gonna watch your least Favorite Scary Movie, The
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  podcast where we talk about the good, about the ugly, any
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  absurd, and all of our favorite. And least favorite scary movies?
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  Because we believe every horror movie rightfully has its fan
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  base. Even if we don't always get it.
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  My name's Travis. My name's Jesse.
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  And welcome everybody. It's pride.
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  Month, Yeah, another theme month coming right at you folks we are
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  covering. Movies.
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  The movies. Yes, movies that and in some
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  way, shape or form have a connection to like LGBTQ
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  interest, cast, crew members, themes, subtext, things like
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  Yeah, so it's but we have a good time.
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  If you're a budget here, you get like extra perks like stickers
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  and voting rights. And yeah, it's a lot of fun.
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  Stickers, episodes, Voting, voting rights.
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  It's paid to play in this. What do we call this?
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  I don't know, I made a fascism joke last night that you said
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  was not well received, so I'm not going.
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  To I said it was dangerous. It's a dangerous line of
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  thinking, OK. Anti fascist for the record,
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  which is why I thought the joke would be extra absurd.
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  And I was like, we're in public. You can't say stuff like that
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  around people that don't know you.
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  That's true. Which is probably also true for
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  the podcast. The couple at the table next
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  week got real quiet, yeah. Fascists.
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  Yeah. This is for the record.
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  Like, I think that we were very clear that we were saying that.
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  We were also loudly debating our poll for last week's movie,
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  which was it's a It was a weird conversation over here if you're
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  in a restaurant next to us, but it's.
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  A really quiet restaurant too, because we were there before the
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  restaurant opened because we didn't realize what time it was.
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  So there's just they're problems all.
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  Around, yeah, So the poll, we talked about Texas Chainsaw
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  Massacre, The Next Generation last week, and as many of you
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  know, that was one of Matthew Mcconaughey's very first,
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  actually, I think it was his very first film role.
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  So are you talking about release or?
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  It is, I think it was introducing.
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  Maybe not. I could be entirely wrong I
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  thought, but I could be incorrect.
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  Either way, he's in that movie and we were like, hey, what if
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  we put Vilmer in another one of them?
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  Like Matthew Mcconaughey's movies, swap the rolls.
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  So we have 4 movies that we could potentially put Vilmer in
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  and you all did the voting for it.
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  So here we are. What were our options?
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  How to Lose a Guy in 10 Days, Dazed and Confused, True
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  Detective and Tropic Thunder. To be clear, we understand True
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  Detective is a show, not a movie.
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  Well, I put in the poll. Movie slash show.
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  OK, OK. So.
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  We're correct. OK.
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  I just, you said film right now, so that's why I wanted to be
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  clear. So here are the results. 22%
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  would put Vilmer in How to lose a guy in 10 days.
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  I would watch that. Absolutely. 22% put him in days.
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  I'm confused. I'll have to watch that. 11%
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  True Detective. OK. 44% Tropic Thunder.
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  Now here's the thing, and I know last night I said my boat was
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  how to lose a guy in 10 days, but I've been meditating on it
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  and Can you imagine Filmer flying through the jungle?
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  I got your TiVo. Tugger, I got your TiVo.
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  Actually, I thought about this real long and hard,
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  unnecessarily so. And I was like, Filmer would
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  thrive and Tropic Thunder. He.
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  Would he would go out there and like he the end of the movie of
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  Tropic Thunder, Matthew McConaughey is out there in the
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  jungle. With the.
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  Fucking like drug cartel, army, whatever.
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  He could fucking hold his own out there.
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  Yeah, Vilmer would like. He's needed, in fact.
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  And Tropic Thunder. Ben Stiller needs him.
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  Yeah, Yeah. So that's I'm glad that that one
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  won, because I feel like that's the correct answer.
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  You almost didn't even want to put that as one of the options.
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  I know, and I'm happy to be proved wrong, honestly, in this
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  situation because that's one of my favorite Matthew McConaughey
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  rolls right there. All right, so that was it for
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  the poll. Did you announce anything?
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  Did we skip that? I didn't announce anything, but
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  I am going to go ahead and talk about one of the, like, LGBTQ
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  topics because this is also something that I do a little bit
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  of each year. Yeah.
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  And today we're going to talk about fucking pronouns because
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  pronouns, it's just words. It's easy.
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  Somebody says, I use this pronoun and you use that
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  pronoun. It's that simple.
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  When you have the option to put it in, you're like, like social
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  media BIOS, e-mail signatures, things like that.
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  As a SIS person, what it does is it helps normalize it for trans
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  people. And I'm also going to say to the
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  people that get really offended about that, step away from your
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  transphobia and bigotry for a second and think about it for
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  people like, say, me, who have a name that on paper, Jesse.
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  Oh wow, could go either way, right?
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  That also just kind of helps clear up some confusion so I
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  don't get an e-mail that says good afternoon Sir, which should
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  happen before I put my pronouns and my e-mail signatures.
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  It's just a thing that you can do to kind of be an ally and
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  help normalize something like that.
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  And it also does just like it can make your life easier as a
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  sys person as well. But what it really does is it
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  helps our like our trans friends and our non binary friends be
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  able to do that safely without feeling like they're necessarily
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  like outing themselves 100%, if that makes sense.
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  Also, like I want to talk about they them for a singular person
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  and I feel like I have a little bit of ground to talk on about
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  this because my mom is an English major and she had me
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  while she was in college and I went to classes with her.
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  So I feel like I know a little bit about what I'm talking
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  about. I remember one time as a small
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  child, we were talking about a person.
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  I don't know if the person was a man or a woman.
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  My mom said I don't know if that person's a man or a woman
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  either. It was like somebody on the
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  phone or something and we were trying to figure out how to talk
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  about this phone conversation. We were overhearing and she
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  referred to the person as they. She was like, I don't know if
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  that's a man or a woman is perfectly acceptable in the
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  situation to use they in an unknown setting.
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  It's grammatically acceptable. So if a non binary person also
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  chooses also uses excuse me, the pronouns they them.
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  It is so grammatically viable like.
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  I don't like that argument that people make either.
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  Like, it just, it's really fucking simple to just use the
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  words that people ask you to use.
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  Yeah, it's respect. It's just being a decent human
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  being. So you can do it.
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  Yeah. Be respectful people.
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  That's the moral of the story. Just respect people's pronouns.
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  Respect people as people. That's all we're asking.
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  And I'm not telling you you have to put pronouns in your bio.
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  Obviously we don't have that in our bio because it's like both
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  of us, so it but neither of us uses they pronouns is the thing
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  like so that adds to confusion. So we could do he, his, she,
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  her, but then that's also like it's just confusing.
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  So that's why we don't have it in like.
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  Our podcast, we're a podcast. We're not a person.
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  Yeah, that's the answer to that. Look, we get.
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  So be kind, be kind of people, be good people.
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  Yeah, just be a decent human being, yeah.
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  Be a bro, be a sis, be a pal. And this plays very much into
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  today's movie, Yes, returned to sleep away camp, which is what
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  we're going to be talking about on the podcast today.
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  So I am ready for that. Are you ready for that?
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  Jesse just raised her mug up. So that is a yes.
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  I'm ready. Sorry.
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  I had a mouthful of coffee and you asked me a question.
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  It was like being at the dentist's office.
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  I was panicking. How do I react to the situation?
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  All right, so return to Sleep Away Camp.
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  By the way, yes we have all other three Sleep Away Camp
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  movies covered, so this is the final one.
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  This is the final one. Yes, yes, we're closing out this
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  chapter on the podcast. It's So This movie released
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  November 4th, 2008 on DVD. We did not get a theatrical
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  release for this movie. If you want to watch it, you got
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  to pray to God that you find a DVD somewhere because that's
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  really the only way you're going to be able to watch this thing.
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  Had somebody ask how we watched it.
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  I'll tell you how we watched it. I went online and I bought a
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  DVD. On my website, it was Etsy,
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  right? It was on Etsy, Yes.
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  Yeah. So, and this is a was it a
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  birthday gift for me? You got me this DVD in good
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  faith. Yeah.
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  You ordered it from what looked like a verified seller on Etsy
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  and it was delivered to you without a case.
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  And you were like, that's fine, I'll go get a cheap Blu-ray and
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  I will make a cover for it. And that cover's very special to
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  me and I love it. But also when we looked at the
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  DVD, the label for it, you know how normally there's artwork on
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  a Blu-ray or DVD or whatever, you know, the front of it, that
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  it was clearly a printed, a home printed label.
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  Yeah. And so Travis got tricked
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  basically not not through any fault of his own.
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  He thought he was going through all the all the channels to get
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  me a legit copy of Return to Sleepway Camp.
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  But that's how we came to own this movie.
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  Yeah, I'll, I'll post pictures of the thing, the cover and all
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  that we got in the picture of the disc.
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  Just so you know, I'm not happy with how the cover looks today,
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  but it, you know, it's just a, it's that little piece of art
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  that reminds you where you were and how you've progressed so.
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  No, it's a little piece of art that makes me think that at
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  least at one time, you loved me enough to do it.
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  I will get into information on legal way to get that DVD, which
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  I think is still like a way to get it, but we'll get into that
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  here in a little bit when I get into some information.
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  Written by Robert Hiltzik. Directed by Robert Hiltzik,
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  Music by Rodney Wittenberg. Special effects makeup by Ed
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  French and Brian Spears. Ed French.
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  That name sounds familiar. That's the dude that did blood
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  rage and shit, I can't remember which.
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  Movie. It was another one we just
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  talked about recently, isn't it? Yeah, I think it was dead dudes
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  in the house. That sounds probably.
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  About right. It's another bad good movie.
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  Good, bad movie. Something like that.
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  Speaking of dead dudes in the house, we also watched No Hard
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  Feelings and the dad of the Gen. Z party.
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  That super aggro dude yeah, from that movie yeah and it's one of
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  those ones where like, yeah, I see it yeah, so it's
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  intimidating I. Can't Unsee it.
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  Yeah, what's intimidating in that movie?
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  Cuz he you know. Cuz he doesn't have weaponry.
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  He doesn't have the bandana, I think.
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  That's a big part of it. The bandana is where his power
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  is and. I think so.
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  That's where it lies. Starring Michael Gibney as
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  Allen, Vincent Pastor as Frank, Paul D'Angelo, returning as
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  Ronnie, Isaac Hayes as Charlie and Felissa Rose returning as
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  Angela Baker and spoiler Sheriff Jerry.
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  Yeah, all right. Time for our favorite game on
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  the show, Budget or bug Ted? Oh, I'm gonna go hard bug, Ted.
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  OK, it's a pretty decent bug Ted.
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  It is bug Ted. It's $4,000,000 to make this.
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  You know what? Good for them.
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  Yeah, I'm actually shocked. Yeah.
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  Oh, we're about to say where I went.
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  Yeah. Well, I'll tell you, I think I
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  have an answer to that. So I don't have opening box
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  office or worldwide gross because this went straight to
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  DVD. Yeah, but the IMDb is 4.1.
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  Honestly, OK. You think that's OK?
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  4.1. Yeah, that's higher than what
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  I'd expected it to be. OK I guess that's fair.
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  So I have 3 movies from 2008. I have AI feel very fitting
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  theme for these 3 movies. It's teenagers are mean.
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  I I endorse that theme. I know that you're a big
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  supporter of that one right there.
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  I think a lot of people would agree.
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  Teenagers are scary. So let's start off with some of
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  the scariest teenagers that we've ever seen.
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  Eden Lake, the first movie? No.
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  Yeah, that's that's a traumatizing movie.
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  I think Jesse refuses to ever watch that one again.
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  Yeah, I won't watch it again. And my mom, who's a listener of
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  the show, has yet to listen to that episode because she only
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  listens to the episodes of movies she's seen.
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  And she's scared to watch the movie by herself.
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  Because of how I always react when I talk about it is.
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  This generational trauma she passed down, the fear of
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  teenagers on to you. I don't know, I feel like I got
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  my fear of teenagers from a very healthy place.
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  From a very healthy place. Yeah, teenagers are scary.
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  I've experienced that. That doesn't sound healthy to
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  experience bullying from teenagers, but OK.
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  All right, evenly, it came out September 12th, 2008.
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  Don't have budget, but it grossed $4 million.
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  So as much as this movie we're talking about cost OK IMDb 6.7
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  OK movie #2 prom night prom. Night.
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  Yeah, obviously this is the remake.
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  Mm Hmm. Yeah, and of course, bullying
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  teenagers and prom competition and you know, you know the
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  drill. It's a bunch of it's teenagers
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  killing each other. That's the ultimate mean
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  teenager. So that Released April 11th,
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  2008. Budget of 20 million.
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  Worldwide Gross 57 million. IMDb 4 out of 10.
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  I don't. I know we've watched that at
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  least once together, but I don't remember anything about it.
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  Yeah, I don't remember much either actually that I think
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  I've only seen that that one time.
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  That'd be about it. Yeah.
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  Which if you stick around on the podcast for a couple more years,
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  you might hear us talk about that one.
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  OK, there eventually. Final movie, let the right one
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  in. That's one that I haven't seen.
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  I don't think you've seen either.
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  No. Is that the one that's like the
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  vampire movie and she like drowns his bullies?
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  Yeah, it's about a kid. I think I I read like a
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  synopsis. A 12 year old kid is being
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  bullied by a bunch of kids and then this vampire girl comes in
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  to step in and take care of his bully problem.
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  OK, so that released December 12th, 2008 $4 million budget, so
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  very comparable $11 million gross 7.8 IMDb.
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  Wow. Yeah, I've heard nothing but
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  great things about. That movie, I've heard it's a
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  really good movie. Yeah, we should watch it
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  sometime. Maybe if we're feeling like
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  dealing with asshole teenagers again.
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  That's rare that I'm ever in the mood for that.
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  But you know, I'm. I'll never say never.
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  All right? I've got 1 tagline.
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  Only one. Kids can be so mean and it's so
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  fitting. It's so.
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  True, actually. That's it for that.
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  I've got a surprising amount of information for this movie.
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  Really, I didn't expect to be able to find anything.
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  Yeah, I thought you would struggle.
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  I thought I would too, but no, I've got some stuff here.
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  So OK, let's start off with this.
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  So technically this is the fifth film in Sleep Away Camp
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  franchise. I don't know how many of you are
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  aware of like the Sleep Away Camp for their release.
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  Are you aware of it? Vaguely.
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  OK so there was a movie in 1993. You can put movie in quotation
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  marks because I don't know if this really counts as one, but
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  it is called Sleep Away Camp for the Survivor.
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  It is a movie that has 20 minutes of original footage and
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  the rest of it is composed of footage from the previous 3
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  movies. Awesome.
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  Yeah, so if you thought Silent Night Deadly Night 2 was bad, I
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  think this is actually pushing it or actually around the same,
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  maybe about the same I'm. Curious if they like mixed all
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  three of the first ones together since we had a casting change
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  for Angela. Well, I've seen parts of it and
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  yeah, they did because I got you can find parts of it like just
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  like snippets, like clips of it. It's basically like a person on
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  the camp and there's like a voice over telling like there's
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  a thing that happened over there and then it'll like flashback to
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  the scene of like the thing that happened over there.
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  That sounds like we were just talking about this cuz there was
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  like a clip episode of Friends on but it's very much like the
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  clips episode. I've also heard since we talked
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  about Sally Night, Deadly Night 2 that we made, I think it was
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  Joe, he said he was sad because we missed so much from the first
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  movie. There's a lot apparently that
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  goes on in the first movie that we're not aware of, so that's
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  probably not the best way to experience that story.
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  So maybe we'll talk about that one soon around Christmas time.
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  I don't know. I always watch it.
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  I won't watch it. I said that last year and I
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  didn't. After the first film, Thomas Van
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  Del, he was one of the actors in the original movie.
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  He played the guy that Angela was interested in and that Meg
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  was trying to get with the entire time.
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  He ended up becoming a producer after that movie.
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  He ended up getting the rights. I think he has the rights of
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  this movie. Angela and Meg.
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  Meg was the counsellor. OK, not Meg, Judy.
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  Sorry, Judy. OK, Paul.
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  Paul is the other guy. No, OK, it's not Paul.
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  It's the the grown up dude. The other dude.
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  I think it's the guy that Ricky is actually upset with her
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  getting attention from. OK, I was going to say because
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  the only like. I wish I remember.
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  Angela was really ever kind of flirty with was Paul.
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  OK, actually scratch that. It's the language.
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  It's not it's not the person that Angela was with.
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  I got that wrong. I think it's a very small role
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  in the movie, but he ended up taking the rights, I think for
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  the movie and became a producer for this.
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  OK. He actually produced, he's
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  produced several movies, some that you are a fan of, and one
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  of them was one that Paul D'Angelo wrote and directed
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  himself also. And the movie that he did that
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  you're familiar with is We Summon the Darkness.
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  Yeah. He's a producer for that,
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  surprisingly, Yeah. So the rights thing, I think
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  that's something that I think I remember seeing online myself.
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  So, OK, here's the thing. Here's how you can get a legit
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  copy of Return to Sleepway Camp. He does conventions.
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  He does reunion stuff for Sleepway Camp.
• 19:29
  When he goes to conventions, he has copies of this movie at his
• 19:33
  table. So you can get a legit copy from
• 19:36
  the source itself right there. But I think that's the only way
• 19:38
  you can get a legit one unless you find one second hand on like
• 19:41
  Amazon or eBay or something like that.
• 19:43
  Or you can try your luck on Etsy like we did.
• 19:45
  Yeah. But again, you're probably gonna
• 19:48
  come across some bootlegs like we did too.
• 19:50
  So. But yeah, you know, there, I
• 19:52
  think that is a source have a legit copy for some people out
• 19:56
  there. I could be entirely wrong about
• 19:58
  that, but that is something that I did see a long time ago.
• 20:01
  OK. So Mr. Van Delk seems to be very
• 20:04
  involved and was very involved in this movie back when it was
• 20:07
  being produced. And there's a whole website
• 20:10
  dedicated to it where he has a frequently asked questions
• 20:12
  section where he just gives people a bunch of information
• 20:16
  about the movie. And one of the things here was,
• 20:19
  how did you find Robert Hiltzik and talk him into coming back to
• 20:22
  sleep away camp after all these years?
• 20:24
  So this is what he had to say. I was in New York meeting with
• 20:27
  Melissa. This was the weekend that I did
• 20:29
  the original Felissa Rose interview.
• 20:31
  I asked Felissa to dig out anything she could find from the
• 20:34
  production of Sleep Away that might help lead me to Robert
• 20:36
  Hilstick and other cast members. She came across a scrapbook that
• 20:39
  various cast members wrote back in 1982 during production, and
• 20:44
  they actually used that piece of info that they found in the book
• 20:47
  to make the connection that ultimately led to Robert's phone
• 20:50
  number. So they had a long conversation,
• 20:53
  asked him if he would be able to or if he would be interested in
• 20:56
  doing a Slipway sequel. But he wanted to know if there
• 20:59
  was actually an audience for that.
• 21:01
  He had already tracked down Jonathan Searson, who's Ricky
• 21:05
  and Felicia, and Robert said he'd be interested as long as
• 21:08
  they, like, actually found out if there's interest for it.
• 21:11
  So he sent him to the original website that he had created and
• 21:15
  told him about the fan feedback and everything.
• 21:17
  So he saw all that stuff and he was able to be convinced to come
• 21:21
  back to the friend. Pretty much, that's kind of cool
• 21:24
  actually. And that's how a lot of them got
• 21:26
  convinced to do their reunions at conventions in the 1st place,
• 21:30
  because Felicia has been doing conventions for a while and she
• 21:33
  told a lot of them like, hey, no, you actually really,
• 21:37
  everybody loves this movie. It's become such a darling, you
• 21:41
  know, come to conventions, people will love it, people will
• 21:43
  want to meet you. And it was really great when the
• 21:46
  whole cast was there at Scarefest last year or the year
• 21:50
  before, whatever. When we had the reunion up here,
• 21:53
  yeah, it was really neat. He was there, too.
• 21:55
  So yeah, it's cool to see them all and they're all super into
• 21:58
  the roles and everything. They all have embraced it.
• 22:02
  Hiltzik actually had a sequel written back in 1986.
• 22:05
  He didn't like the comedic tone that the producers of the movie
• 22:09
  wanted to go in with the franchise.
• 22:11
  They were looking to go with something along the lines of the
• 22:14
  Nightmare on Elm Street movies, because those were huge at the
• 22:16
  time. So he also ended up just selling
• 22:20
  off his rights to the film and he decided to just like him and
• 22:23
  his wife wanted to start a family, so they just left the
• 22:26
  business all together and used whatever money they got from
• 22:29
  that to get that going. He wrote four different endings
• 22:32
  to this movie. Everybody got different scripts
• 22:35
  and he only used one of them. They only filmed one of them.
• 22:37
  So he was doing that to I guess try and keep spoilers under
• 22:41
  wraps. That makes sense.
• 22:43
  Filming of the movie wrapped back in 2003.
• 22:46
  It was intended for a theatrical release between 2004 and 2006,
• 22:50
  but they couldn't find any distribution.
• 22:54
  Also another problem, which might explain why this had $4
• 22:58
  million as a budget. They were super not satisfied
• 23:02
  with the special effects of the 1st edition of the movie, so
• 23:07
  Robert Hiltzik ordered them to do another round of it.
• 23:11
  And then they came back. Got that one finished in
• 23:14
  December of 2006 and Hiltzik still thought that that needed
• 23:18
  more work. So they ended up doing more, run
• 23:20
  another team on and then by 2007 they had finally gotten enough
• 23:24
  of it done to his lacking. Some of the major ones that
• 23:27
  needed to be retold were the ending scene with, I think it's,
• 23:32
  yeah, Michael's body where he was skinned.
• 23:34
  Yeah, they had to redo that. Just to be fair, the final
• 23:36
  product was pretty awesome. It was really good.
• 23:39
  TC's death had to be redone, and they also did some pick up shots
• 23:45
  that ultimately need to be redone.
• 23:47
  OK, so yeah, that's it for my fun facts that I had for this.
• 23:51
  All right, Yeah, there's a lot of stuff out there.
• 23:53
  Apparently it was like a super brutal shoot from everything
• 23:56
  that I read. They had like natural disasters
• 23:58
  and everything happened so. Oh.
• 23:59
  My God. God didn't want this movie to
• 24:01
  happen. It's an abomination, I think,
• 24:03
  yeah. All right, so with all of that
• 24:06
  said and done, I think we're ready to move on to good, bad,
• 24:09
  ugly and absurd. So, Jesse, what's the good?
• 24:12
  The good I like how much of the cast returns.
• 24:16
  I like that we get Felicia Bag. We get Ronnie DeAngelo Bag,
• 24:19
  Jonathan Pearson, history's greatest cousin, Cousin Ricky
• 24:25
  still killing it out there. I think we berenstain bared
• 24:29
  ourselves. Mandela affected ourselves
• 24:32
  because we were convinced he was in on all of it, but he ended up
• 24:36
  being just as shocked as everyone when we rewatched it
• 24:39
  last night. Yeah, he if anybody wants
• 24:42
  anything interesting, I suggest looking up his Instagram because
• 24:45
  he's he's a strange character. Yeah, it's an, it's an
• 24:48
  interesting. It's.
• 24:49
  Girl like I send Jesse some of them whenever he like posts like
• 24:53
  a real really weird 1 and I'm like Oh my God.
• 24:55
  Yeah. It's strange, but yeah, I agree
• 24:59
  with that. I like cousin Ricky.
• 25:01
  I'm glad he's back. I.
• 25:02
  Mean, yeah. That's all.
• 25:05
  You have good sense, that's fine.
• 25:10
  That's all you feel about. That that's what I got right
• 25:12
  now. OK, I I thought this actually
• 25:17
  captured the feel of the first one.
• 25:19
  Like, I watch this movie and I can feel it being more connected
• 25:24
  to the first movie then two and three, which I thought that that
• 25:29
  was actually cool. It did feel like a movie of that
• 25:31
  era, just with modern people. OK, You get like the punk kids
• 25:37
  and shit like that. Oh yeah.
• 25:38
  That reminds me. There was another thing I had.
• 25:40
  There was like a lot of weird cameos for this movie, which I
• 25:43
  guess would explain some of those weird punk, punk kids,
• 25:45
  'cause we have a lot of CKY members in this movie because
• 25:50
  one of them married Felissa Rose.
• 25:52
  Yeah, so you got that. One of the margieres is in it.
• 25:57
  This one I think only you and I will appreciate.
• 25:59
  But Mr. Chris Violet, who is in a little movie called A
• 26:04
  Christmas Crush, is one of the campers.
• 26:06
  There. We have Drake.
• 26:09
  And Christmas crush. Christmas crush the guy.
• 26:12
  The guy that gets the wish to like his neighbor.
• 26:17
  Like is he the one that accidentally has the wish?
• 26:21
  Or yeah, he's the main guy that like has like his fiance that he
• 26:24
  ruins his own marriage for potential marriage.
• 26:26
  Yeah, that's him. OK.
• 26:29
  Drake Bell's another one. He's in this movie.
• 26:32
  He's one of the counsellors, or not the counsellors.
• 26:34
  He's a camper in this movie. Where?
• 26:37
  I think that makes sense considering this rapt in 2003
• 26:40
  and that was around the era of like Drake and Josh getting
• 26:43
  started. So he wasn't like he was in his
• 26:45
  all that time, I think, but he wasn't like a mega star yet.
• 26:49
  And also Robert Hiltzik had this family in there, a lot of them.
• 26:53
  Like I saw a lot of Hiltzik's in the cast.
• 26:55
  So yeah. But anyways, yeah, like I, I
• 26:58
  really do feel like they recaptured the the tone, the
• 27:01
  feel, the vibe of the original 1 man.
• 27:04
  I don't know, I don't think they do a bad job with this movie.
• 27:07
  It's not terrible. Like I watched it yesterday and
• 27:10
  I had thought that it was really bad, but then like I was, I came
• 27:13
  away pleasantly surprised. Although I was kind of bummed
• 27:16
  afterwards. But we'll get into that in a
• 27:19
  little bit. All right.
• 27:21
  What's the bad then? What did you not like?
• 27:25
  I feel like he was trying to kind of recapture the first one
• 27:30
  and it just ended up like he was kind of overdoing some of the
• 27:34
  stuff, OK, he said. The kids are like overly mean on
• 27:39
  this one. Yeah, they're.
• 27:41
  Intense. I think that's the point that
• 27:44
  they're going with. They're trying to go with like,
• 27:47
  bullying is bad and here's how it can go terribly.
• 27:52
  But yeah, like, I, I watched this movie and I'm depressed.
• 27:58
  Like it. It actually makes me genuinely
• 28:01
  sad for this kid. Yeah, it just it never lets up.
• 28:06
  Man, yeah, that was a thing. Like, like we paused it a few
• 28:10
  times to do things like, you know, feed the pets and all
• 28:13
  that. And like, I just stopped.
• 28:15
  Like this is the meanest movie I've ever seen in my fucking
• 28:17
  life. And I think that's still true.
• 28:20
  I don't think I've seen a movie that is as mean as this movie is
• 28:24
  because the things that they do to that kid.
• 28:28
  Like I don't why that is a bad that I'll agree with.
• 28:32
  Why front load? Like why make this movie
• 28:35
  basically just a montage of bullying and some of the most
• 28:39
  cruel bullying that you could do too?
• 28:41
  Yeah, like we, we never let up from it and we never get like
• 28:47
  the characters never feel nuanced.
• 28:49
  There's no redemption. There's like he, he doesn't have
• 28:51
  a moment where he comes out the other side like, you know,
• 28:55
  feeling good or better or, you know, like triumphant.
• 28:59
  Anyway, it just ends on such a downer too, man, it's so fucking
• 29:05
  upsetting, all right? Did you have anything else bad?
• 29:08
  That was like, that was the main thing.
• 29:11
  OK, I'll agree with you about the old dad, obviously, but the
• 29:15
  trend to recapture certain things because I feel like what
• 29:18
  he ended up doing was he ended up copying the same beats as the
• 29:21
  first movie. A lot of times, a lot of the
• 29:22
  deaths mirror some of the deaths, and just a lot of the
• 29:26
  plot points kind of mirror what happened in the original movie,
• 29:30
  which, you know, you can call it a homage, but to homage your own
• 29:33
  movie and the direct sequel to it is it's a choice.
• 29:37
  I guess. I don't know, But yeah,
• 29:40
  whatever. All right.
• 29:42
  So I think the Ugly's pretty obvious.
• 29:44
  Yeah. Yeah, yeah.
• 29:47
  Some of the bullying, the one that fucking kills me is the
• 29:50
  frog one. I wish that they didn't do that.
• 29:52
  What the? Fuck yeah.
• 29:54
  Why is animal cruelty funny? Well, I don't even think that
• 29:57
  they they may have. I see people refer to this as a
• 30:00
  black comedy sometimes and like, I just don't see the humor in
• 30:04
  any of the stuff that happens in this.
• 30:06
  But yeah, that was at least the only thing that makes that
• 30:09
  redeemable is the fact that Michael gets skinned later as
• 30:13
  punishment and payback. Because he thought skinning
• 30:15
  frogs was funny. Yeah, because he thought it was
• 30:17
  cool. And but I don't think that that
• 30:21
  justifies doing it in the movie in the 1st place because I don't
• 30:25
  want to see that shit. I don't want to see that.
• 30:27
  That's just, it's too much. This movie's too much sometimes.
• 30:33
  What's your absurd? Alan having the singular outfit
• 30:41
  and his catch phrase he has. He has he has one outfit change
• 30:46
  and I think it's because the counsellors forced it on him.
• 30:48
  Yeah. But it's.
• 30:50
  Because the kids stole his clothes, but I guess they gave
• 30:52
  the pants back because he's wearing the same pants.
• 30:54
  He he has to smell like shit. I don't think he showers all it.
• 30:57
  Has to be awful. Yeah.
• 30:59
  I'm honestly surprised his techie whitey's wear his white
• 31:02
  as they wear. Oh yeah, If we were being
• 31:05
  realistic for that character, they'd be staying in all all the
• 31:08
  ways. Well, they made a comment at the
• 31:10
  beginning that he like shirted. Oh yeah, you're right.
• 31:13
  Yeah. Well, I don't know.
• 31:14
  They could have been bullying. The movie starts with bullying
• 31:17
  and it ends with bullying. And there's a lot of bullying in
• 31:19
  the middle. Yeah.
• 31:20
  And then a little bit more bullying to go on top of that.
• 31:23
  Yeah, and there's like side plots of bullying.
• 31:25
  And then in the after credits, there's bullying there too.
• 31:29
  My absurd is he has this place that he goes to to run away from
• 31:34
  everybody. His secret hideout, he calls it,
• 31:36
  and he invites his crush to go there and then he doesn't even
• 31:40
  know that they're coming. He goes over there and he's just
• 31:42
  hanging out with his frogs and then she just comes up there and
• 31:44
  found it so easily. It's not a very secret hideout.
• 31:47
  He didn't even know that she was there.
• 31:49
  He just like walked. She just waltzed down.
• 31:51
  It seems like he expected her to not show, which also makes it
• 31:54
  seem like she could have just lied and agreed to go and then
• 31:57
  never go. She didn't have to do it, but
• 32:00
  you know what? She's a she's a person that's
• 32:02
  treated her words. So I respect them.
• 32:04
  OK. OK.
• 32:05
  What are you rated? Oh man, I want to like this more
• 32:09
  movie more than I actually do. I think if it had like a little
• 32:13
  bit more levity and fun in it at times it would be easier, but we
• 32:19
  just don't ever really get that. So I think I'm going to give it
• 32:24
  a 4.5. OK, when you're so above IMDb,
• 32:28
  at least I don't think it's that bad.
• 32:30
  I think it's a good movie still. It's just a hard watch.
• 32:33
  I think for me, it's one that I'm not going to revisit often
• 32:37
  because I just, I don't like the way it makes me feel.
• 32:39
  It just makes me feel bad and I don't like there are some movies
• 32:43
  where, you know, drama, feel bad, whatever.
• 32:46
  Like, you know, that's the point.
• 32:47
  I know what I'm getting. I I don't go to sleep away camp
• 32:50
  for the feel bads. I go to sleep away camp for the
• 32:54
  the schwalk and the cheese and the, you know, fun kills and
• 32:58
  stuff like that. Yeah, this movie, like it does
• 33:01
  get fun kills towards the end of the movie, but man, it's just
• 33:07
  it's, it's a swag through to like to sit through all that
• 33:10
  stuff. So I think I'll give it a six.
• 33:14
  OK, so 5 no 5.25525 starting. Average, OK, that's, that's a
• 33:24
  whole point that's above. Yeah, yeah, that's not bad.
• 33:28
  That's serviceable. Yeah, OK, let's get into it.
• 33:32
  So we start off, we have a musical song.
• 33:37
  Yes, that's how that works. A musical song.
• 33:39
  That's that phrase. I feel like it's sleep away
• 33:41
  camp. Yeah, it's got to be CKY, I
• 33:44
  would assume. I would assume as well, but they
• 33:48
  that's playing over newspaper clippings basically recapping
• 33:52
  sleep away camp. Yeah, then we cut 2 boys in a
• 33:55
  cabin trying to light their farts.
• 33:56
  Now here's the thing. As we learned from the Jackass
• 34:02
  collaboration with Mythbusters, it's not as simple as holding a
• 34:06
  lighter up to your butt while you fart.
• 34:08
  Yeah, they had to build a whole machine.
• 34:11
  There's a whole thing to try and get a lit fart.
• 34:15
  And we see them in this movie, so they must have had some kind
• 34:17
  of rig around that area where they had an open flame or
• 34:21
  something. Must have been because there's
• 34:23
  no way that this actually happened because it wouldn't
• 34:26
  have taken as many tries as it did to light a fart on Jackass.
• 34:29
  This is these these campers got to be super bored if this is
• 34:33
  what they're doing to entertain themselves like Whiting their
• 34:35
  farts. I mean, that just seems like
• 34:37
  typical boy stuff to me. I was a typical boy that I was
• 34:41
  at one point that age and I had never really crossed my mind
• 34:44
  but. Did you ever go to sleepaway
• 34:46
  camp? Though I went to a camp.
• 34:49
  Was it a sleep away? Camp it was not a sleep away
• 34:51
  camp I went home the same day and went back the next day and
• 34:54
  only lasted a week all right so they are they're over there
• 34:58
  they're having fun doing that Alan inserts himself he invites
• 35:01
  himself to a little fart lighting she.
• 35:03
  Comes out at first she's like, why are you guys laughing at me?
• 35:05
  And they're like, we're not laughing at you.
• 35:08
  So like already you kind of get the energy that and we talked
• 35:12
  about this a little bit last night with Alan.
• 35:13
  It almost feels like chicken and egg situation.
• 35:16
  Like does he have some of these behaviors as a defense
• 35:19
  mechanism? Or were some of these behaviors
• 35:21
  the reason why kids are not wanting to interact with him?
• 35:24
  And I feel like, I feel like they kind of built on each
• 35:27
  other. Like it's a negative feedback
• 35:28
  loop, you know? We get some snippets of some
• 35:32
  stuff with them. We get out of line from Michael
• 35:36
  and him or from a discussion where he was really sick for at
• 35:40
  a point of time as a kid, and apparently that has some kind of
• 35:45
  trauma. And he says that that has the
• 35:47
  lasting effects, too. So I don't know if that has
• 35:50
  mental effects also. Yeah, I really do.
• 35:55
  I just, I see this guy as a tragic character, truly.
• 35:59
  He's sad. Like I think he bullies because
• 36:02
  it's like pre emptive, like self-defense because this kid
• 36:05
  has to fight. Travis, are you saying that hurt
• 36:10
  people hurt people? That's that's the case, man.
• 36:17
  That's truly what happens here. Like he, I think he does.
• 36:21
  Like he, he's it's a defense mechanism every time this kid
• 36:25
  has to like fucking fight for his wife every goddamn day in
• 36:28
  this movie. So he wants to light his fart
• 36:30
  and when he does the kids say taba Hershey squirts.
• 36:33
  Which is why I think it was a poop fart shark, as they say.
• 36:38
  And he gets upset they're making fun of him and so he grabs a
• 36:41
  bottle of Hairspray alone. I don't know.
• 36:45
  He makes torch and comes at them and they're like.
• 36:48
  And then Randy comes in. How fucking old is Randy
• 36:51
  supposed to be? I thought camp counselors were
• 36:52
  generally in like their 20s. I don't know.
• 36:54
  I don't know if you can legally say no to somebody applying when
• 36:58
  you're 40. Yeah, I was going to say Randy
• 37:00
  is about 45. Yeah, he's, you know.
• 37:03
  And he goes, don't worry, he'll get his sometimes.
• 37:06
  He's British. The actor, I'm fairly certain,
• 37:10
  is always British. Yeah, but the character is not
• 37:13
  always British. It might it might have been a
• 37:15
  choice. Who knows?
• 37:17
  He they get him and Randy have like a whole situation where
• 37:21
  they're constantly going at it too and.
• 37:23
  Yeah, it's kind of, I think it's meant to mirror like the Angela
• 37:26
  Meg, Yeah relationship. That's how it seems, yeah.
• 37:29
  So this is more intense. Yeah.
• 37:33
  And he basically kicks him out of the cabin, I think.
• 37:37
  And then he says it's trademark catch phrase.
• 37:39
  Hey Randy, your ass stinks. He had to have said that one
• 37:45
  time in like 4th grade and everybody laughed because he
• 37:48
  laughed at stuff like that in 4th grade and he has ridden that
• 37:52
  high ever since and hasn't come up with new material.
• 37:56
  You know, it seems to actually be effective because everybody's
• 37:59
  generally like, oh, man, he got me.
• 38:01
  Like anytime they like. He says that in this movie,
• 38:02
  everybody's like shit. It's his version of like you've
• 38:05
  been jammed. You just got jammed.
• 38:08
  So his stepbrother Michael is flirting with the girl he likes
• 38:12
  and all of the campers at his table are making fun of them.
• 38:17
  This is when Sheriff Jerry stands up to give a speech on
• 38:19
  the dangers of smoking. And the kids all suck.
• 38:23
  They just suck. They're they're just making fun
• 38:26
  because he's got a voice box and you know, like he's just trying
• 38:32
  to be like a I have an example of like, hey, cigarettes like do
• 38:34
  this. So if you don't want this to
• 38:36
  happen to you, don't smoke. And then the kids just make fun.
• 38:38
  And you know, it's, I mean, that's just the theme of this
• 38:42
  movie. Kids fucking suck.
• 38:43
  I can understand why. That's why that's the tagline.
• 38:46
  Can I also say though, Frank kind of sucks for not getting
• 38:50
  Jerry a microphone to speak with because I don't know how much
• 38:54
  volume control there is with those tools.
• 38:58
  Yeah, you know, you're right. I didn't even think about.
• 39:00
  That how was he supposed to project to a cafeteria full?
• 39:03
  Of he can't project. 100 kids. Turn the volume up I.
• 39:07
  Guess like is there a way? Yeah, that's true.
• 39:10
  He was set up for failure there. And he seemed too excited.
• 39:13
  He's like, yeah, the same shit, different day.
• 39:16
  So Randy is trying to get Alan to eat his chicken.
• 39:20
  Alan's like, no, it's going to make me throw up.
• 39:21
  To be fair, that. Chicken.
• 39:22
  It was raw, man. Everybody's going to get sick.
• 39:26
  Yeah, that was some nasty chicken.
• 39:27
  And yeah, they go back and forth.
• 39:29
  Randy, like actually forces his face onto the plate and then he
• 39:32
  forces his plate onto the ground and his plate, his face onto the
• 39:36
  plate on the ground. Yeah.
• 39:38
  It's bullying, man. He's being a meanie.
• 39:42
  So at what point does it go from bullying to abuse?
• 39:45
  When it's like an adult versus a child.
• 39:47
  It's abuse in this situation. But don't worry, everybody.
• 39:50
  Our true hero, Mr. Ronnie. Yeah, and his short shorts, as
• 39:54
  he, as God, intended. He has matured.
• 39:57
  His shorts are at least three inches longer than they were in
• 40:01
  the first sleepaway camp. They've got their priorities
• 40:04
  wrong if this is what they're addressing.
• 40:06
  Like, they see all of the abuse going with the counselors, but
• 40:09
  then they're like, hey, Ronnie, you need to like, lengthen the
• 40:12
  shorts just like an inch maybe. Listen, he's a part owner now.
• 40:15
  That's true. Dress professionally.
• 40:17
  He's like, oh, I'll be an owner, but I can still wear shorts.
• 40:20
  You know what? That's another thing this movie
• 40:22
  is missing is a random scene of Ronnie in the background pumping
• 40:25
  some iron. You're right, we didn't.
• 40:26
  I get that. I wish we did get.
• 40:28
  That, yeah. But I wish he's still a nice
• 40:30
  dude. Yeah, he breaks it up.
• 40:31
  And then kind of like Angel in the first movie who didn't want
• 40:34
  to eat and got in trouble. And he's like, hey, like, go
• 40:37
  back to the kitchen. They'll get you something
• 40:38
  special. And you know, we'll, we'll
• 40:40
  smooth things over like that. So he goes back there.
• 40:44
  Mikey's back there, Mickey. See, and this fucked me up.
• 40:48
  I we could have had a different name for either Michael or
• 40:50
  Mickey. We could have, we could have
• 40:52
  done a different. Yeah, this is confusing.
• 40:54
  He's like, you can have egg salad or two, no salad, no ice
• 40:58
  cream, and Alan grabs an ice cream bar anyway.
• 41:01
  So Mickey, being the mature, reasonable adult, throws eggs at
• 41:06
  Alan. This is a fucking burnout.
• 41:09
  And Alan, being a child being attacked by an adult, throws
• 41:14
  pots and pans back at Mickey. Mickey throws more eggs.
• 41:19
  Oh. Alan grabs a knife.
• 41:23
  By this point, everybody has heard the commotion in the
• 41:25
  cafeteria. So Frank comes running in, sees
• 41:27
  the knife being thrown, and like whoa whoa whoa, we need to not
• 41:31
  do any of this. Alan runs away with his classic
• 41:35
  line. Your ass stinks.
• 41:36
  And Frank tells Michael to go find Alan.
• 41:40
  Yeah, so Alan has ran into a secret hideaway camp, and he's
• 41:44
  got frog friends. And I like this, You know, this
• 41:47
  at least makes him human and somewhat likable for him to have
• 41:50
  his like a little group of frog friends.
• 41:52
  It is kind of a dream where he's like, they're my friends.
• 41:54
  I someday I so want to be like a like a crow lady because you can
• 42:00
  become friends with the crows. They actually befriend you.
• 42:02
  Exchange gifts, Yes. They actually give you gifts.
• 42:05
  Yes, but as I talked about at book club this week, I don't
• 42:08
  know the difference between birds.
• 42:09
  I know crows are black. What kind of gift does a crow
• 42:12
  give you? Like sticks and rocks and like,
• 42:14
  maybe sometimes it'll find like, I'm not even joking.
• 42:16
  You can look this up online. People befriend crows.
• 42:19
  That's kind of cool. I didn't know you could do that.
• 42:21
  Yeah. Don't tell Talia you're planning
• 42:23
  on doing this, so she's not gonna be.
• 42:25
  She would not be OK with it, No. Maybe this.
• 42:28
  Maybe this is what would change her opinion on birds.
• 42:32
  I don't know. She she never really.
• 42:34
  She's just now warming up to Zoe, who's lived there here for.
• 42:37
  10 years. Yeah, she doesn't really take
• 42:40
  the change. All right, So now, yeah, they're
• 42:45
  having their conversation. I think Michael is actually
• 42:48
  trying to be somewhat nice to his brother here.
• 42:52
  He's like a cool man, like, you know, just deal with shit, you
• 42:56
  know, be a fucking like a person.
• 42:59
  Don't like run away and hang out with your frog friends.
• 43:01
  Still kind of fuck you for saying that, but.
• 43:03
  It's interesting that you said that because I wrote Michael is
• 43:06
  not sympathetic. He's well, I think I'm just
• 43:09
  skewed with how shitty he becomes in this movie, but this
• 43:13
  is like the closest thing to sympathy I think that
• 43:15
  character's capable of. Yeah, it ends with them like
• 43:19
  fighting and Michael drops his knife.
• 43:23
  He Allen holds a knife to him and he's like, go get the fuck
• 43:27
  out of here. And then, yeah, Michael, like,
• 43:29
  grabs the knife out of his hand and just storms off and keeps
• 43:32
  it. I wish he had one Danny McBride.
• 43:35
  That's what I thought. OK, so Mickey is cleaning up in
• 43:40
  the kitchen. And by cleaning up, I mean he
• 43:42
  was making his own dinner, which is burgers and fries.
• 43:45
  I just I could not motivate myself to operate a whole ass
• 43:48
  fryer for fries. No, I think it's a little.
• 43:52
  That air fryer is too much for me.
• 43:54
  Yeah, yeah, it's a little bit. It's a it's a bit much.
• 43:57
  But if it's between that and raw chicken, I'm going to do that.
• 44:01
  For sure. So he's over there, he's got the
• 44:04
  fryer going and he's getting his fries put in there, and then
• 44:07
  somebody sinks up right behind. Him, he starts wiping the side
• 44:11
  of the fryer because he's like imitating Charlie.
• 44:13
  He's like got more grace on the fryer.
• 44:16
  Oh, yeah, we, we didn't mention Charlie.
• 44:19
  The chef here is Isaac Hayes, who plays chef on South Park,
• 44:23
  and he's dressed exactly like chef.
• 44:25
  He's got the red shirt and the blue jeans.
• 44:27
  It's. I just wish he could have had
• 44:29
  one moment where he passed with the kids and said hi children.
• 44:32
  I know this was his final movie apparently.
• 44:34
  Man. Yeah, let's stroke you.
• 44:37
  All right, So anyways, this is mirroring the scene from the
• 44:42
  first one with the creepy pedophile dude getting boiling
• 44:46
  water poured all over him. Except this guy Mickey.
• 44:49
  He gets his face dumped right into boiling oil.
• 44:53
  I will say this is one of the more like well shot scenes and
• 44:57
  how tense I feel because like you see his hand sliding, which
• 45:00
  is why I pointed out that grease line because it's important
• 45:03
  because it's not clean on there. His hands are sliding around a
• 45:05
  lot and like I'm in my head, I'm like, all it would take for me
• 45:10
  is for my thumb to dip into the fryer just a little bit and then
• 45:13
  out of like instinct, I would yank my hand back and then all
• 45:16
  of me would fall. I.
• 45:17
  Think that's exactly what. Happens.
• 45:18
  That's exactly what ends up happening.
• 45:20
  Then when he gets pulled out. So he gets pulled out and his
• 45:25
  head is deep fried. His lips have disintegrated,
• 45:30
  which cool effect, but it does make the fact that his eyeballs
• 45:34
  are still intact a little bit weird.
• 45:36
  They would have boiled. Yeah, they're.
• 45:37
  Jelly they would have like melted or something.
• 45:39
  The whole eyeballs are is Jelly. Yeah, you know, I hadn't
• 45:42
  considered that. Don't tell Robert Hilton.
• 45:44
  That's like, God damn it, we got to redo it again.
• 45:46
  All right, everybody come back. All right, we're starting from
• 45:50
  the top. Yeah.
• 45:53
  So they're down, then he gets. Compacted in the trash.
• 45:57
  Yeah, he gets a goose burial. If anybody wants to know what
• 46:00
  that is, I have a fantastic movie suggestion for you.
• 46:04
  It's called Deadbeat at Dawn. Sorry, you said let's do it from
• 46:09
  the top. My brain immediately went to Tim
• 46:11
  and Eric, Top Gun from the top. And then you said Goose burial.
• 46:14
  And I was like, that is not how Goose was buried in Top Gun.
• 46:17
  Is, is Goose a gun in Top Gun? Yes.
• 46:19
  Oh, wow. Yeah, he's Tom Cruise's bestie
• 46:22
  who dies because Tom Cruise is an arrogant asshole.
• 46:24
  Wow. But also his character is an
• 46:26
  arrogant asshole. Wow, that's a crazy coincidence
• 46:30
  right there. Yeah.
• 46:31
  I'm just I was so confused. For a second, it's not really
• 46:35
  much of A spoiler. Debbie had done his Somebody
• 46:40
  gets a trash compactor, death or burial, basically.
• 46:42
  They just like, all right, can't do anything else with you, so
• 46:45
  they just throw you in it. It's kind of funny, but sad.
• 46:50
  Ronnie and Ronnie go to visit Frank.
• 46:52
  Yeah, yeah, they're going to complain about Mickey.
• 46:55
  He's just not really up to snuff.
• 46:56
  So the Frank's like fuck it, fire, whatever.
• 46:59
  And then this is where we go. And Ronnie is actually a part
• 47:02
  owner and. We also need to do something
• 47:05
  about the rats and Frank's like later.
• 47:07
  He goes, It's just like it's a health concern.
• 47:10
  And now that I'm an owner and Frank's, like, part owner.
• 47:13
  Minority Share. Oh asshole, this dude has the
• 47:17
  same last name as the count or the owner of the from the first
• 47:21
  one in the movie. Oh, does he?
• 47:23
  Yeah. So I don't know if it's meant to
• 47:24
  be like a relative or something. That would kind of make sense.
• 47:28
  Yeah, I think it it makes sense. So the burnouts, as I was
• 47:32
  calling them, I believe you were calling them the punks, but they
• 47:35
  seem much more interested in smoking than anything.
• 47:38
  Well, yeah, they're. Understand.
• 47:40
  Yeah, They want to prank somebody into smoking dried cow
• 47:45
  shit. Apparently they do this every
• 47:47
  year. And so that's what they're doing
• 47:50
  back behind the stage in the rec area, the gym, what have you.
• 47:54
  This is where you were in the trick.
• 47:57
  I mean, you hit it first and then I hit it cuz you don't
• 48:01
  wanna. You don't wanna.
• 48:03
  Yeah, smoke a shit, doobie. It's just like if you go to a
• 48:07
  meal or have a toast or something with your enemy and
• 48:10
  it's like, yeah. You go first.
• 48:11
  Yeah, unless, you know, they pull up Princess Bride and like,
• 48:15
  has spent years developing an immunity.
• 48:19
  Oh yeah, tolerance. Aw man, I forgot about that.
• 48:22
  Yeah. OK.
• 48:24
  So yeah, there's like a camp mixer going on that like the.
• 48:29
  It might just be like a regular old night.
• 48:31
  Like I think that they can just hang out in the rec area at
• 48:33
  night. This is another one of those
• 48:35
  things that made me think of the original cuz the like 2 and
• 48:39
  three never did anything like this.
• 48:41
  I know. Which is weird, but that's like
• 48:43
  it. Immediately brings me back to
• 48:44
  the original Super 8 camp when I see this.
• 48:47
  So Alan approaches Karen and her group of friends, and Karen's
• 48:50
  like please don't leave me with him.
• 48:52
  And of course, they all leave him with him.
• 48:54
  And she tells Alan that he smells.
• 48:57
  And he goes, oh, it's because Mickey threw eggs at me.
• 48:59
  And she goes, oh, he's such a creep.
• 49:00
  You haven't changed your shirt since then.
• 49:02
  And what Alan takes away from that is, oh, you also hate
• 49:05
  Mickey. Yeah, you hate Mickey too?
• 49:07
  Yeah. All right, We got a connection.
• 49:10
  We can bond. Then he starts to walk away.
• 49:13
  Bella starts fighting him, and then TC starts fighting him, and
• 49:18
  then Bella and TC are fighting. It's just kind of a brawl, A
• 49:22
  melee if you will. Frank sends Alan to his cabin,
• 49:25
  but instead he goes backstage. Yep, where he finds the stoners
• 49:29
  who have a rolled up shit doobie right there ready to go.
• 49:33
  And they're like, hey, Alan, you, you like to party?
• 49:36
  And he's like, yeah, yeah. So he like, he lights it up.
• 49:39
  He keeps talking and they're like, oh, he's amazing.
• 49:41
  He's so fucking good. He's just like, I think I
• 49:47
  actually, I feel like if you smoked an actual piece of shit
• 49:50
  you would probably like that would hurt your lungs.
• 49:52
  I don't think it'd be good for you.
• 49:53
  Yeah, no, there's no way that it felt good at all.
• 49:56
  And the way he was coughing, I don't maybe he did get a little
• 49:58
  bit of a buzz just from being light headed.
• 50:00
  Whoa, yeah. I think, you know, he might
• 50:02
  actually have a buzz. He like, collapses his knees
• 50:06
  coughing, and then he, like, you know, wraps himself around,
• 50:09
  spazzes. We, we, they did this in
• 50:12
  American Dad when Stan has to live on minimum wage for a month
• 50:17
  and then he ends up like huffing the poop bag.
• 50:20
  Yeah, with the street person. And then we discovered that
• 50:24
  that's a real thing that kids did for a while and like, yeah,
• 50:27
  remember, because it was on that one of the, like, spooky YouTube
• 50:31
  channels. Yeah, no, that's a definitely a
• 50:32
  thing like yeah, yeah. So I wonder if maybe he was
• 50:36
  getting something from it. You know, he could have.
• 50:39
  Yeah, he's down there and he's, he's coughing his fucking lungs
• 50:44
  out. How bad?
• 50:44
  Does he have to smell that people aren't reacting to the
• 50:47
  smell of lit shit? Yeah, I don't know, man.
• 50:50
  Like this kid, the more this movie goes on, the more I'm
• 50:53
  like. I will say I am really impressed
• 50:55
  with the continuity of his shirt's filth.
• 50:58
  Dude, that's the thing. Like I see pictures of it and
• 51:01
  like by the end of it I thought, oh, he has a cool tie dye shirt.
• 51:04
  No, it's not tie dye. It's eggs and paintballs.
• 51:08
  Yeah, the tie dye kind of makes me.
• 51:10
  It makes me think of the shirt I got at a Twin Peaks concert and
• 51:15
  it followed me into the mosh pit and it has what I refer to as
• 51:20
  the burl tie dye job it. Didn't follow you remember I
• 51:23
  held onto it because you went to mosh and I dropped it
• 51:26
  accidentally and it got stomped. That's exactly.
• 51:29
  What happened? That was my cute suit way
• 51:31
  without throwing you under the bus.
• 51:32
  No, I deserve it. You know, it's true.
• 51:35
  I mean, the Mosh culture was kind.
• 51:36
  They're like, here's your shirt. But I like they're like.
• 51:39
  Oh, sorry, Mosh culture is kind. Yeah, it doesn't seem kind, but
• 51:43
  it is. Surprisingly kind.
• 51:46
  I'm still I got my defenses up around them.
• 51:50
  They also helped me because that was my Fitbit fell off that
• 51:52
  night too, and everyone was like stop cover Fitbit.
• 51:54
  It was really kind. And then that was the last show
• 51:58
  we went to before COVID, and washing has never been the same.
• 52:01
  That was the last show I think Twin Peaks paid I.
• 52:04
  Play too Twin Peaks was never the same all.
• 52:08
  Right. So people TC who is 100% got to
• 52:13
  be called back to TC from Superway camp too.
• 52:17
  He. My car.
• 52:20
  He walks in and he sees what appears to be Allen giving Spaz
• 52:24
  a blowjob, so they come up with the most.
• 52:27
  Stan. Stan OK, they come up with the
• 52:29
  most clever nickname ever, Blowjob.
• 52:32
  That seems correct for like 13 year old boys.
• 52:36
  Yeah. See, Allen, he does the thing
• 52:38
  that you're not supposed to do here, and he makes it very clear
• 52:41
  that it's getting to him because he's just like, stop it.
• 52:44
  Stop calling me that. He like gets really freaked out
• 52:46
  about it and that's just going to make them continue to do.
• 52:49
  It and that's when PD walks in and she breaks up what's
• 52:51
  happening and as Ronnie walks in, he tells everybody that they
• 52:55
  need to get to their box. Man I feel bad for Ronnie.
• 52:59
  This was like this is probably the worst group of kids he's
• 53:02
  ever had to deal with his entire lives.
• 53:04
  They really do. There's not a single good kid in
• 53:06
  this entire batch. And he's like more invested than
• 53:09
  ever since he literally invested in the camp.
• 53:12
  Yeah, he's like literally invested.
• 53:15
  So later that night, it's around 2:00 AM, stoners are out there.
• 53:18
  Just token. They have two other gals that
• 53:21
  are with them, but they're like, hey, Sue and Eddie, Sue and
• 53:23
  Eddie. OK, somehow man, you should get
• 53:25
  their names. Yeah.
• 53:26
  So they're they bounce. Stan also leaves.
• 53:29
  Yeah, Weed, which I was writing Reed because I was really hoping
• 53:33
  they didn't just name this kid Weed.
• 53:34
  I understand it's probably a nickname, but Oh yeah, it's it.
• 53:38
  Like, again, it's all the creativity of blowjob.
• 53:42
  Yeah. None of these kids is good at
• 53:43
  bullying, and I talk about that a lot.
• 53:45
  Like if you're going to be a bully, at least you know, have
• 53:47
  some I. Don't know man.
• 53:49
  I think some of the things they do later, like it's not like
• 53:51
  good bullying, but it's effective.
• 53:55
  So he is like stoned out of his fucking gourd and he gets tied
• 53:59
  up to the chair and force had some gasoline which I feel like
• 54:02
  would have a very immediate negative effect.
• 54:06
  And then he has gagged with a DARE sticker, which was a funny
• 54:08
  little. Yeah, that was cool.
• 54:11
  And then they like, there's a hole right in the mouth and a
• 54:14
  joint gets put in there. And when the joints lit, he is
• 54:16
  like explodes, Yeah. Like actually, his insides come
• 54:19
  outside of him. The whole camp basically comes
• 54:22
  out and sees it. Santa's distraught, absolutely
• 54:25
  torn up, and this is the last receive stand.
• 54:27
  Yeah, and Ronnie is now like, all right, I fucking know.
• 54:32
  I know who did it. It's Angela.
• 54:34
  And Frank is trying to call him him cuz he's selling this to the
• 54:36
  cop. Yeah Frank also sucks cuz he's
• 54:39
  like oh Angela you mean he him? Yeah, this is another one of
• 54:45
  those things of this movie. Like they get really fixated on
• 54:48
  the gender of this person where it's really not even a thing
• 54:52
  worth worrying about. It's like any Facebook comment
• 54:55
  section. Yeah, it's so Ronnie suggests
• 54:59
  that the cop go talk to Ricky. That's Angela's cousin, Alan
• 55:04
  Ruins Sports the next day. Yeah.
• 55:07
  Yeah, he just. It just he's walking through,
• 55:11
  like, the middle of games, taking equipment, and then he
• 55:16
  walks into the middle of a croquet match and he tells the
• 55:21
  cabin full of girls, like, I'm not going to leave until Karen
• 55:24
  agrees to come to my secret spot with me.
• 55:26
  And she's like, only if I can bring a friend.
• 55:28
  And he goes, which friend? And she goes, Marie.
• 55:30
  He goes, I like Marie. Yeah, she can come too.
• 55:32
  You know, her friends kind of like bullied her into doing it.
• 55:35
  They're like, all right, just fucking do it, Karen.
• 55:37
  And like, just like, this is like this.
• 55:39
  It's a bummer. So he then arrives late to
• 55:44
  paintball and he basically puts no gear on he's got.
• 55:48
  He's trying to but they take his gear and throw it.
• 55:51
  Away, yes, but he goes to pick it up and he leaves everything
• 55:54
  except for the face mask, which he then just wears around his
• 55:57
  neck. Yeah, Come on, kid.
• 55:59
  You know what's gonna happen here?
• 56:01
  Why would you do that to yourself?
• 56:03
  Yeah, and exactly what you think happens, happens.
• 56:05
  He goes out there and everybody turns on him and shoots him.
• 56:09
  Yeah, he sees the enemy team and like they start firing and he
• 56:13
  runs back to his own team. He's like, guys, guys are over
• 56:15
  there. And then they just start firing
• 56:16
  at him. And this is another one of those
• 56:18
  extremely sad scenes where they have him completely circled.
• 56:20
  He's just down on the ground in the fetal position, and they are
• 56:23
  just lighting him up with the fucking paintballs until they
• 56:26
  run out. It's a it's an upsetting shot.
• 56:29
  Yeah, I hate it. So Cousin Ricky gets a visit
• 56:34
  from Sheriff Jerry. And Sheriff Jerry says, now your
• 56:37
  cousin Angela is still locked up in the sanitarium, right?
• 56:40
  He goes, yeah. He goes, Are you sure?
• 56:43
  And he's like, yeah, I'm the only one that goes to visit her.
• 56:46
  And I was just there a couple weeks ago.
• 56:47
  And then Sheriff Jerry goes, you mean him?
• 56:49
  And then Cousin Ricky looks like he's about to beat Sheriff
• 56:52
  Jerry. Yeah.
• 56:52
  He tells him to fuck off pretty much and gets back on a fucking
• 56:56
  construction machine. I don't know what he's on.
• 57:02
  I believe that little YouTube fellow that our nephew likes
• 57:07
  would say it's an excavator. Man, what is his?
• 57:10
  Name Dirt. See you later.
• 57:12
  Lippy. Lippy.
• 57:12
  Lippy, Lippy the today's Bob the Builder.
• 57:16
  Yeah. So we are now with Alan, who is
• 57:20
  in the secret hideaway. He's playing with his frogs and
• 57:23
  what do you know, we have Karen and Marie who have arrived and
• 57:27
  he's super shocked about it. And he's like, I got soda.
• 57:30
  You want soda? I got some chips.
• 57:32
  You want chips? And then, like, there's a lot of
• 57:34
  frogs. Here he goes.
• 57:34
  Yeah, they're my friends. And then I see some skin.
• 57:39
  Oh God yeah, I want to just like cruise passes as fast as
• 57:42
  possible so. Yeah, And it's really like, so
• 57:44
  Karen and Marie rightfully are like, oh, we're getting the fuck
• 57:47
  out of here. What is this?
• 57:48
  And Alan is crying. I feel like his reaction makes
• 57:51
  it very clear he did not do this.
• 57:52
  Yeah, but these kids don't give a fuck, man.
• 57:56
  And then Vinny and Michael pop out with a knife and they're
• 57:59
  laughing and they're like, yeah, it's cool.
• 58:01
  We did it because it's cool. It's funny.
• 58:02
  And then Alan fucking snaps and he's like, Oh my God, that
• 58:06
  Karen, I got to go tell her. So he like, goes chasing after
• 58:09
  her and he's trying to tell her that it wasn't him, it was
• 58:14
  Michael that did it. But he gets down to the pier
• 58:17
  where everybody's swimming. And then he's just, I'm probably
• 58:20
  the worst day of this kid's life where his, you know, he just
• 58:23
  witnessed that. He goes down there and the
• 58:25
  counsellor down there, Randy picks a fight with him and then
• 58:30
  he orders the kids there to give him a wedgie and then they end
• 58:34
  up giving him a wedgie and throwing him in the water.
• 58:36
  State sanctioned bullying. It's like God damn so fucking
• 58:40
  much. It never stops.
• 58:42
  PD helps him out and then tells Romney that like, yeah, this is
• 58:46
  going to keep happening unless you actually fucking do
• 58:48
  something. We come to Frank, who talks to
• 58:52
  his bird Matilda and learns that Matilda has learned to say.
• 58:56
  Grass stinks. And he's pissed, Yeah.
• 59:00
  He thinks Alan's been in his place, so he goes running off to
• 59:03
  get him. Bella is shooting spit balls at
• 59:07
  Alan, but Alan is also bullying some of the smaller kids in
• 59:10
  line. It's chews on one girl's pink
• 59:13
  tails. Yeah, this is 1.
• 59:15
  Where? Like, come on, Alan.
• 59:17
  My God, we have cats out there ready for food.
• 59:18
  That's. Loud.
• 59:21
  Yeah. Yeah, he's, he's being, he's not
• 59:24
  helping himself in this situation.
• 59:26
  So yeah, you know, he's getting spitballs out of him.
• 59:29
  He goes over there and confronts Bella for doing the spitballs.
• 59:32
  They start fighting, and then Frank comes in and I was like,
• 59:36
  what did you do? Why did you teach Matilda to say
• 59:39
  that? And he goes, what?
• 59:40
  I don't know what you're talking about.
• 59:41
  And Bella, creative bullying goes, what are you talking
• 59:44
  about, Alan? You were just in here bragging
• 59:46
  about it. Oh.
• 59:47
  My God, yeah. I'm not condoning bullying, I'm
• 59:50
  just saying like it's nice for it not all to be like hey poop
• 59:54
  head. That's true.
• 59:56
  So before this, we had the Karen and TC and a couple of other
• 1:00:00
  kids outside and they're like, come on, you got to like
• 1:00:03
  convince Alan to do this. Just tell him, you know, you
• 1:00:05
  want to hang out, you know, whatever.
• 1:00:06
  It'll be funny. And she's really worried.
• 1:00:08
  She's like, I think he might kill me if I do this.
• 1:00:11
  Yeah, he is. He is like 1 bad day away so and
• 1:00:14
  he's already had half of a really bad day.
• 1:00:16
  Yeah, and he is now leaving the mess hall and he's walking past
• 1:00:20
  her and she's like, hey, I don't know, like where me and a couple
• 1:00:23
  of the girls are going to play spin the bottle.
• 1:00:25
  We'd like you to join. And this kid should know better
• 1:00:27
  at this point, but he just agrees and goes along with it.
• 1:00:30
  So they he is. So trusting.
• 1:00:32
  And he should not be. No, he needs.
• 1:00:35
  To go back to that energy he had at the beginning of the movie,
• 1:00:37
  like, are you laughing? At me.
• 1:00:38
  He should yeah, he should be skeptical for sure.
• 1:00:41
  He he's led to a dark room and he goes there and Karen's like,
• 1:00:45
  hold on, I'll be right back. And then while he's there alone,
• 1:00:49
  he's being grabbed. And we don't know what's
• 1:00:51
  happening, but we see he's on the stage behind the curtain.
• 1:00:55
  And the whole hall gathers and the lights turn out, the
• 1:01:00
  spotlights thrown on there, the curtains pulled.
• 1:01:04
  And it's Alan. He's tied up with no clothes but
• 1:01:07
  his underwear on. And he's just pushed out there
• 1:01:09
  for everybody to see and laugh at and at finally, Ronnie
• 1:01:16
  Stepson. I want to know who is
• 1:01:17
  responsible for this, he tells Randy to figure out because he
• 1:01:20
  figures it has to come from his cabin.
• 1:01:21
  I mean, he goes. It's my night off, Sir.
• 1:01:24
  You're 40. Why are you hanging in the rec
• 1:01:27
  hall on your night off? I'm a man I'm 40.
• 1:01:31
  So Ronnie cancels his night off, but that means Dick to Randy.
• 1:01:36
  Yeah? So Ronnie accuses PD of being
• 1:01:39
  Angela, PD Peter, and like he's getting really aggressive with
• 1:01:44
  her. And then Sheriff Jerry comes in
• 1:01:46
  and stops and Frank sends PD to her cabin and it's just like
• 1:01:50
  kind of trying to talk Ronnie off a ledge.
• 1:01:52
  And then they go outside and all the other campers are outside
• 1:01:56
  behind tree shouting blow, drop, blow, drop, blow, drop.
• 1:02:01
  Fuck these fucking kids. So Alan goes running off.
• 1:02:05
  Yeah, and he this is like his like defining snap moment
• 1:02:08
  because he goes out there yells and then you just see he like
• 1:02:11
  oh, like a calm washes. Out my head and.
• 1:02:13
  Then he just looks around and he just like, sprints to the woods.
• 1:02:16
  So Ronnie goes to look for him in Frank's cabin.
• 1:02:19
  We see Matilda is grabbed. Frank hears the sound so he
• 1:02:22
  comes out and he's bonked on the head.
• 1:02:24
  When he comes to they put the cage on his head and add in some
• 1:02:28
  rheics. That right there, I feel like
• 1:02:31
  that was like giving like, is Ronnie the killer vibe right
• 1:02:35
  there because he was complaining about the rats earlier.
• 1:02:37
  So Karen is feeling partially guilty but mostly worried that
• 1:02:42
  she is, like, on a hit list for this.
• 1:02:45
  Yeah. And.
• 1:02:47
  The rest of the girls in the cabin are like, we don't care.
• 1:02:49
  Like we want to go back to the canteen.
• 1:02:51
  So they convinced her to go back to the canteen with them.
• 1:02:54
  TC is convinced to go on a panty raid.
• 1:02:59
  I hate the word panty. And he's like, I don't know,
• 1:03:03
  guys. Like Ronnie said he's going to
• 1:03:05
  check on me every 15 minutes and like has it yet?
• 1:03:07
  And he's like, no. So he starts to get up and go,
• 1:03:10
  and as soon as he steps outside, Ryan's like Tuesday.
• 1:03:12
  Yeah, I love that. I love that he immediately got
• 1:03:15
  it. So Ronnie, Randy and Linda are
• 1:03:20
  at the pump house to pump house. Yeah, Randy keeps doing this
• 1:03:26
  fucking stupid little gesture where he's like used to pump
• 1:03:30
  house and he's like cuz fuck. And if you think Randy sounds
• 1:03:33
  like the type of guy who wears tight pants and menarded button
• 1:03:37
  up, you are 5000% correct. Yeah, you'd be correct.
• 1:03:42
  With a shirt that looks like maybe he got it at Dan Flashes
• 1:03:44
  on sale. Yeah, and he's like, hey, Linda,
• 1:03:47
  go get the beers up there. And the sleeping bag.
• 1:03:50
  And. The sleeping bag.
• 1:03:50
  She's like why don't you? And he's like cuz I got to take
• 1:03:53
  a leak and I'm shocked. Hi.
• 1:03:55
  Yeah, so she goes and he is weaning up against the tree and
• 1:03:59
  then there is somebody behind them.
• 1:04:01
  He's peeing the wrong way, leaning up against the tree.
• 1:04:04
  He is, yeah. You know.
• 1:04:07
  You're supposed to pee on the tree.
• 1:04:08
  Maybe that's like a. British thing, they do a
• 1:04:10
  different over there. Yeah, like they drive on the
• 1:04:13
  right side of the road. They pee outside of the road.
• 1:04:14
  Yeah. They pee on the other side of
• 1:04:16
  the tree. They don't pee on the tree.
• 1:04:17
  That's disrespectful. Yeah.
• 1:04:19
  He gets tied to the tree. And we see this like little like
• 1:04:24
  wire that has like a hoop on it or a loop and it's the perfect
• 1:04:28
  size for a pee pee and it goes around his around the Dick and
• 1:04:33
  balls or just the Dick. He says that's not jewels there.
• 1:04:36
  I think it grazed the balls. I think he, I think they got the
• 1:04:38
  balls in there it. Doesn't count if the balls
• 1:04:40
  aren't involved in some way. Yeah.
• 1:04:43
  And he's like, he's really uncomfortable, obviously.
• 1:04:49
  And you see the wire is being stretched out and it's like
• 1:04:52
  going through the woods. And then we see that it's like
• 1:04:55
  tied to the bottom of his Jeep, and Linda is trying to get the
• 1:04:59
  stuff from the Jeep. And as she's walking back to the
• 1:05:01
  woods, she's like, Oh my God, he's after me.
• 1:05:04
  Yeah, and he thinks it's Alan because he's like, he's
• 1:05:07
  apologizing profusely at Alan, which, you know what, man?
• 1:05:10
  I think he had this one coming. Yeah, honestly, I I have no
• 1:05:13
  sympathy for this guy who was in his Dick.
• 1:05:16
  So Linda goes running and she slams on the car and it takes
• 1:05:19
  her mix. She gets caught in a ditch and
• 1:05:21
  then she remembers to. She sucks at driving.
• 1:05:24
  She doesn't just like fuck up the gear spat.
• 1:05:26
  She just runs right into a fucking hill and gets stuck in
• 1:05:30
  the mud out there. And then eventually she's like
• 1:05:32
  04 wheel drive. She switches that on and fours
• 1:05:35
  in and this just Yanks the shit off of Randy.
• 1:05:38
  And then she is driving and not paying close enough attention.
• 1:05:41
  Plus it's also dark and she hits some barbed wire.
• 1:05:44
  Oh yeah, at face height. Rest right around her head.
• 1:05:48
  So TC is in the cabin. He's looking through a magazine
• 1:05:52
  and then like a sharpened broom handle comes up and he's like
• 1:05:55
  poking at him. So he freaks out and does what
• 1:05:58
  you shouldn't do, which is stick your eye to the hole in the
• 1:06:01
  floor. Yeah, and he, his friend that
• 1:06:04
  did the panty raid comes in. He's like, dude, look at our
• 1:06:06
  score. And he's like, no, dude, look,
• 1:06:08
  there's a hole in there and there was a broom down there.
• 1:06:10
  And they just keep taking turns looking in the hole.
• 1:06:12
  No. One of them's gonna get it.
• 1:06:13
  Yeah, this is the right one. It's TC.
• 1:06:16
  He gets one right through the eye.
• 1:06:17
  And then he like, freaks out, stands up, and then ends up
• 1:06:20
  running into the wall which pushes it all the rest of the
• 1:06:23
  way through. Yep.
• 1:06:24
  So Ronnie is by Frank's cabin and he finds Matilda outside
• 1:06:28
  saying your ass stinks and then he comes inside and finds Frank
• 1:06:33
  dead. Bella comes back from the
• 1:06:35
  canteen alone and fucking litters.
• 1:06:37
  Fuck you, Bella. Yeah, Bella's a little shit.
• 1:06:40
  They're all shits, but you know, that was shitty.
• 1:06:43
  She comes in, she finds all of her stuff has been like, thrown
• 1:06:46
  asunder. It's her.
• 1:06:46
  Candy. She's got that candy sash.
• 1:06:48
  She's like God damn it, he fucking take the shit big.
• 1:06:50
  Candy sash. Why does she need to go to the
• 1:06:52
  canteen? You are the canteen, Bella.
• 1:06:55
  I think she's sneaking them back to her candy stash.
• 1:06:59
  She she's pissed, but she's like fucking I'm going to go chill on
• 1:07:01
  the bunk bed. And she gets in her bunk and
• 1:07:04
  then looks up and there's spikes on the top bunk.
• 1:07:07
  And then we see the camera pan up and the killer is standing up
• 1:07:11
  in the rafters up top jumps, right?
• 1:07:14
  That's a good kill. It's a reverse bed of nails.
• 1:07:16
  Yeah, that was really cool. So everyone is sent to their
• 1:07:20
  cabins early because they found TC dead.
• 1:07:23
  Karen and Marie get to their cabin and find Bella and Karen
• 1:07:27
  just like loses her mind so she runs out.
• 1:07:31
  She's blaming Allen. Marie tells Ronnie that Karen
• 1:07:34
  ran out and so Michael over here is that he's like, we go to go
• 1:07:37
  find her and then Ronnie is like, it's Angela and Marie is
• 1:07:43
  like no, it's Alan and. Then Ricky shows.
• 1:07:46
  Yeah, when Ricky is here, he says he's got a call.
• 1:07:50
  He got a call from Sheriff Jerry and Sheriff Jerry was like, I
• 1:07:52
  never called you. Yeah, and he's like, all right,
• 1:07:54
  somebody wants you here, obviously.
• 1:07:56
  Duh. Yeah, Sheriff Jerry.
• 1:07:59
  So Karen finds Randy and Linda, who are both semi conscious,
• 1:08:02
  somehow haven't bled out yet. Yeah, and then she ends up
• 1:08:06
  running straight into the killer and passes out.
• 1:08:09
  Yeah, Killer grabs Karen and we see she's tied up in the gym
• 1:08:14
  when she's woken up and she's tied to the basketball goal and
• 1:08:19
  the killer goes and flips the switch, which gets the
• 1:08:21
  basketball goal to like fold up into the ceiling, which is gonna
• 1:08:25
  hang her cuz she's got a noose tied around her neck.
• 1:08:28
  But Michael comes in at the last second and stops in freezer.
• 1:08:32
  I will say I've had the key to lift one of these before in a
• 1:08:36
  previous job and it it's not like maybe in the 80s it was
• 1:08:41
  different because maybe it was not as secure safety measures.
• 1:08:43
  But it is the 2000s here. That's true.
• 1:08:47
  I'm still in the mindset of the first sleepway camp.
• 1:08:50
  But like you have to hold the key and it's a tiny little key,
• 1:08:53
  so it's not easy to hold and it hurts your hand and it takes
• 1:08:56
  forever and like you have. To hold it the entire time.
• 1:08:58
  Yes, that's and it's a lot of like pressure that you have to
• 1:09:01
  put on it. That's weird.
• 1:09:03
  Why would they make that so hard?
• 1:09:04
  I assume a safety feature, but yeah, so the fact that the
• 1:09:08
  killer was like holding it steady until somebody came in is
• 1:09:12
  already kind of impressive. Yeah, and the cop is there too
• 1:09:15
  and comes in and you know that that little was suspicious.
• 1:09:20
  So Michael grabs him out and says I'm going to go take care
• 1:09:23
  of Ellen and he finds him at his frog spot and starts beating.
• 1:09:29
  Oh my God, I forgot about this. Yeah.
• 1:09:31
  You can see it bending on his back and you can also hear that.
• 1:09:36
  You can hear the air escaping. I forgot about that man I I
• 1:09:43
  can't believe you didn't have them redo that scene of all of
• 1:09:46
  them that actually it's. Like nobody will notice but I
• 1:09:49
  guess cuz we have a dog who kills the squeakers in your toys
• 1:09:52
  immediately. We are so finely attuned to the
• 1:09:55
  sound. That right there, I think that
• 1:09:57
  was one of those things. It took the wind.
• 1:09:58
  This is a super mean scene, but it took the wind out of it
• 1:10:01
  because of that. I wish that that we would have
• 1:10:03
  had something like that in this movie.
• 1:10:05
  For all the other scenes where it's like something so obviously
• 1:10:08
  fake or bad that like, OK I can, I can watch this, not I feel
• 1:10:12
  depressed. So Ronnie finds Alan like half
• 1:10:17
  dead and he was like it was Michael.
• 1:10:20
  And he points over to where Michael is and then Sheriff
• 1:10:22
  Jerry walks out and says kids can be so mean and then starts
• 1:10:28
  taking off the facial prosthetics and wouldn't you
• 1:10:31
  know, it's Angelo. And we see Michael has been
• 1:10:38
  skinned. Fantastic.
• 1:10:41
  Yeah, like eyelids and all. Thank you.
• 1:10:43
  Thank you for doing that. Yeah.
• 1:10:46
  And it just ends there. Like, I mean, like the skinned
• 1:10:49
  and they're just kind of there and they're just.
• 1:10:51
  And. We do get a Felissa Rose face.
• 1:10:54
  Yeah, and you get Ricky. He just goes Angela.
• 1:11:01
  And we get and we get Ronnie. Oh my God.
• 1:11:05
  Yeah, yeah. It's just like the ending to the
• 1:11:07
  first I. Was going to say, I think that's
• 1:11:09
  what they were going for. They were going for a big shock
• 1:11:11
  ending right there. Then we get to an end credit
• 1:11:14
  scene where we see a car is pulled over on the side of the
• 1:11:19
  road up on a Jack. A cop comes to help and the
• 1:11:23
  woman who is very like Peggy Bundy coded in the moment.
• 1:11:29
  Could just be the jersey in her also.
• 1:11:32
  This is Jersey's spoitation. And the cop like, gets down
• 1:11:36
  there and says you're going to need like a new brake line, this
• 1:11:39
  one's leaking and it's Angela, of course, and she kicks out the
• 1:11:46
  Jack and busts, the cop said. Yeah, I think her DVD ends too
• 1:11:50
  soon because it cuts like, right as soon as Andrew goes.
• 1:11:54
  It's just like I I feel like there's like I if I remember, I
• 1:11:58
  feel like we've seen this before.
• 1:11:59
  Like she gets his uniform and you remember Ricky being a part
• 1:12:02
  of it too. Where I remember Ricky being and
• 1:12:04
  the part of it. So the first time we watched
• 1:12:06
  this, we actually rented it from Hastings.
• 1:12:08
  Really. Yeah.
• 1:12:10
  So granted, that was obviously a while ago since I'm referencing
• 1:12:15
  Hastings, but. Yeah, I'm gonna look this up.
• 1:12:18
  I'm gonna look up because. I looked it up on IMDb, it
• 1:12:20
  didn't say anything beyond what we saw.
• 1:12:23
  Really. Yeah, hold on.
• 1:12:24
  Let me go to Wikipedia. She murders him by dropping car
• 1:12:30
  on his head and still is close to become the new sheriff.
• 1:12:32
  OK, Yeah. So I guess Ricky isn't involved.
• 1:12:34
  OK. All right.
• 1:12:37
  OK. So yeah, that's how the movie
• 1:12:38
  ends. All right, I'm going to keep it
• 1:12:40
  a 4.5 because honestly, like if it had more fun moments, like I
• 1:12:47
  would be all for this, but it just, it's so mean and heavy the
• 1:12:51
  entire time that it's just it's rough.
• 1:12:54
  Yeah, I agree. I think they needed to sprinkle
• 1:12:57
  some of the killings. The killings are backwarded and
• 1:13:01
  they needed to like, sprinkle it more.
• 1:13:03
  Like we need to see these kids, like, do something mean and then
• 1:13:06
  get their shit because we get a little bit of that in the first
• 1:13:09
  one. Well, yeah, we get a little bit
• 1:13:10
  of that with this one with Mickey, and then you get the
• 1:13:12
  Stoner kid. But then everybody else just
• 1:13:14
  continues to be fucking assholes throughout and it's just like
• 1:13:17
  getting progressively worse and worse.
• 1:13:20
  Yeah, I think it would have been better to do that.
• 1:13:24
  I'm keeping mine at six though. I agree it it this is a hard
• 1:13:28
  watch. Talia was very active during
• 1:13:31
  this movie. She was very playful.
• 1:13:34
  She was wanting to play with us. She was trying to do her barking
• 1:13:37
  game with us. She was feeling it.
• 1:13:39
  Yeah, I think she sensed tell me it was.
• 1:13:41
  And she was like, I would never be that mean.
• 1:13:42
  I mean, she can be tough, but she's not mean.
• 1:13:46
  Yeah. So I think Talia.
• 1:13:50
  I think she'd give it a five. Yeah, cuz she's not mean and she
• 1:13:53
  doesn't like the mean. Yeah, she recognized that she
• 1:13:55
  had to make some of the fun for us.
• 1:13:57
  Yeah. Who is Zoe's ultimate warrior?
• 1:14:00
  Man, this is a tough one. I think Ronnie, because Ronnie
• 1:14:09
  wants Frank to get the rats and Zoe gets the mice around here.
• 1:14:14
  Not real mice. That her toy mice.
• 1:14:16
  Yeah. And she, she respects that.
• 1:14:18
  And she she figured that, you know, her and Ronnie would be
• 1:14:21
  good friends. She probably thought that Frank
• 1:14:25
  was the killer's favorite person.
• 1:14:26
  Like, oh, the killer is giving Frank all of the meat.
• 1:14:30
  I know that's like the highest honor.
• 1:14:33
  OK, so Ronnie. Ronnie the Rat.
• 1:14:38
  Ronnie the Rat? Yeah.
• 1:14:41
  OK, dream sequel. Oh boy, I mean there's there's a
• 1:14:48
  chance there's another one could be made apparently, like on the
• 1:14:52
  website they said that would a 5 or 6 happen and the dude's like
• 1:14:57
  it's up to you if there's interest I.
• 1:15:00
  Mean there's interest, baby, there is interest I We
• 1:15:03
  definitely need Felissa Rose back she's active, she's
• 1:15:05
  working, she can. She's doing all kinds of stuff.
• 1:15:07
  Yeah, she will. She will be on board.
• 1:15:09
  And we need her to get Jonathan Tearson on board.
• 1:15:12
  Yeah, he's the last link. I think she's got everybody else
• 1:15:15
  from the original doing the cons.
• 1:15:17
  So I think if we get the next one, we could get Judy back,
• 1:15:22
  because she's back doing that stuff.
• 1:15:23
  You can get Meg. Oh, yeah, you're right.
• 1:15:27
  All right. Meg died too.
• 1:15:30
  All right. Well, Ronnie, you can get Paul.
• 1:15:33
  Yeah. Paul didn't die, I don't think.
• 1:15:35
  No, Yeah, yeah, it is very, very.
• 1:15:37
  He's definitely dead. God.
• 1:15:39
  Damn it, Angela killed all the good people.
• 1:15:43
  Who else could you bring back? From there, it's fine, let's
• 1:15:45
  just work on the story and then we'll figure out the rest.
• 1:15:47
  OK, OK, well it's got to be another camp situation so it's
• 1:15:54
  got to be a time jump. So I.
• 1:15:58
  Think it. Let's bring it modern day.
• 1:15:59
  Let's bring it to the Twenty 20s.
• 1:16:01
  I would really love it if we did you know how like in 21 Jump St.
• 1:16:05
  Channing Tatum, like when they go back to school, he's like,
• 1:16:07
  all right, you got to be a real asshole to be cool.
• 1:16:10
  I would love it if Angela and then all the cool kids are
• 1:16:13
  actually like really open minded, really kind and
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  everything. I would love it if Angela like
• 1:16:17
  came back and she keeps getting into situations where she thinks
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  bullying is happening, but it like then some other kid steps
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  up and is like, hey, that's not cool for XYZ reason.
• 1:16:26
  Oh man. And then she finds like there is
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  cyber bullying or something happening.
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  That's the thing, I think it's either got to be cyber bullying.
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  I think that I was thinking you could turn it more into like a
• 1:16:35
  comedic type thing. Like she goes there and she's
• 1:16:39
  like really looking forward to like killing boys, but nobody's
• 1:16:42
  being bullied because everybody is like avoiding like actual
• 1:16:47
  human connection. So she's like manufacturing ways
• 1:16:51
  to like manufacturing reasons to kill these people.
• 1:16:55
  Like, all right, that's bullying.
• 1:16:56
  And it's like the lightest thing accidentally, like shoulder
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  checking a kid when they're like walking and texting at the same
• 1:17:03
  time. Or maybe she like does like an
• 1:17:06
  AI deep fake of like some of the kids to like create beliefs.
• 1:17:11
  That's a good one, but the kids would be wise about it.
• 1:17:13
  Oh, it's got 6 fingers. There are some, unfortunately,
• 1:17:16
  that are getting better. Yeah, it's true, but the adults
• 1:17:20
  are the ones that get fooled by that.
• 1:17:22
  But that would actually track for her character.
• 1:17:23
  She's like, look, it's so real. It's totally him.
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  I think it could be fun. There's potential there.
• 1:17:28
  I think that's true. Yeah.
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  I like that idea. I think it'd be fun.
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  What's up? What's good?
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  We'll talk. Listen.
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  Yeah, we'll talk a listen in October.
• 1:17:36
  She'll be there. Be like, listen.
• 1:17:37
  We got ideas. We got treatment.
• 1:17:41
  Yeah. All right.
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  Tagline. Your ass stinks, but it doesn't
• 1:17:45
  have to. But it should.
• 1:17:48
  But it doesn't have to. I like that actually.
• 1:17:51
  But it it sounds very like the more you know, yeah.
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  OK, I think we can rock that. OK.
• 1:17:59
  All right. OK.
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  So I guess it's time for reviews.
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  OK, let's let's hear it. Most of most people probably
• 1:18:06
  haven't actually seen this movie, if you know.
• 1:18:10
  Yeah, I think it's just so I did in advance pool to just to be.
• 1:18:15
  Just to get a couple. Yeah, just to make sure that we
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  had some. So I'll start off with the
• 1:18:19
  negative. It's 4 outs in April 2012.
• 1:18:26
  This one was one I was really looking forward to seeing.
• 1:18:28
  It felt like it took years for it to be made and released, so
• 1:18:31
  when it was available to purchase I bought it at full
• 1:18:33
  price not knowing what a disappointment it would be.
• 1:18:36
  The plot follows the basic kids are at a camp when a bunch of
• 1:18:39
  murders occur. Storyline fans of the original
• 1:18:42
  know the back story evangelist so I won't go into that, but if
• 1:18:45
  you don't it's probably a good idea to familiarize with the
• 1:18:47
  film. Sequel does something I hate
• 1:18:50
  which is it completely ignores Safeway camp two and three.
• 1:18:53
  We are supposed to forget those late 80s sequels which involved
• 1:18:56
  Angela escaping and becoming a counsellor killing a bunch of
• 1:18:59
  teenagers by not bringing up the incidents that took place in
• 1:19:02
  these movies with me a little confused but I'll move on from
• 1:19:05
  that. Negative.
• 1:19:06
  The next problem I have with this is the lead character Alan.
• 1:19:10
  What an annoying human being. He bullies other kids and then
• 1:19:14
  whines like a baby when he gets bullied or other kid counsellors
• 1:19:17
  tell him to stop. The constant whining, screaming
• 1:19:20
  and cursing was driving me nuts by the time or by the 20 minute
• 1:19:24
  mark. Now I love the fact that Ricky
• 1:19:26
  and the original cuss like no other, but it's way overdone in
• 1:19:30
  this by Allen and the acting by pretty much everyone involved is
• 1:19:33
  some of the worst I've seen since Troll 2.
• 1:19:37
  What I found in this movie after seeing the original was that a
• 1:19:39
  lot of these new characters emulated characters from the
• 1:19:42
  original. There's Alan, who is supposed to
• 1:19:44
  be a mix of Angela and Ricky. A character named I know Right,
• 1:19:49
  acts a lot like a shy Angela. There's even a nasty chef who
• 1:19:52
  gets scalded by boiling boiling water.
• 1:19:56
  There is Greece, my man, that is not boiling water.
• 1:19:59
  I'm also wondering if they got peedy confused with pee pee.
• 1:20:02
  No, there is a character if you go through the list.
• 1:20:04
  That's called Pee Pee I. Think I remember her.
• 1:20:06
  She's the one that's sitting on her bed like reading.
• 1:20:09
  Yeah, yeah. Other cons are the music which
• 1:20:13
  is mostly terrible and that's no suspenseful effect to the scene
• 1:20:17
  like the original score did and juvenile riding is just annoying
• 1:20:21
  to sit through. Some of the things the teens say
• 1:20:23
  and do is supposed to be funny but just leaves a bad taste in
• 1:20:25
  the viewer's mouth, especially when you same joke as repeated
• 1:20:28
  over and over again. I've been down on returning to
• 1:20:32
  Sleepway camp so far and rightfully so it isn't very good
• 1:20:34
  but the ending definitely saves it from being a total wet down.
• 1:20:37
  The last half hours of jam packed with murder and mayhem
• 1:20:40
  and some of the gore is pretty shocking and well done.
• 1:20:43
  Also like the added mystery of trying to find out who the
• 1:20:46
  killer is. And I love seeing some of the
• 1:20:48
  original cast return like Ricky, Ronnie and cameo by Flissa Rose.
• 1:20:53
  Overall this movie is all over the place.
• 1:20:55
  It's almost as if Return to Sleepway Camp it has an identity
• 1:20:57
  crisis. The first Sleepway Camp was
• 1:20:59
  scary 2 and 3 funny. This one tries to be a bit of
• 1:21:02
  both except for a good 30 minutes of scares.
• 1:21:04
  Doesn't do well at either. It's not a cameo by Felissa Rose
• 1:21:08
  like she is in the prosthetic makeup Asher of Cherry.
• 1:21:10
  Yeah, that's true. Yeah.
• 1:21:11
  She's in the movie throughout the entire time.
• 1:21:14
  Yeah. She respects on her name.
• 1:21:15
  She's a workhorse. They did a good job with her
• 1:21:17
  too, man. Yeah, I never would have guessed
• 1:21:19
  until I. Saw.
• 1:21:20
  No, I remember being surprised. I did too.
• 1:21:23
  I didn't have any context for the first sleepaway camp when we
• 1:21:26
  watched this, but I do still remember being surprised.
• 1:21:31
  You've never seen the first one. No, I saw them all out of order.
• 1:21:35
  Oh wow. Remember the first one I saw was
• 1:21:37
  sleepaway camp too. Yeah, I just thought so.
• 1:21:41
  I guess that that's got to be the true for me too, because
• 1:21:43
  I've watched this whole series along with you.
• 1:21:45
  Yeah. So I watched this first and
• 1:21:47
  then. Wow.
• 1:21:48
  OK, Yeah, well, weird. OK, but but you know, this
• 1:21:54
  person has some good points I guess.
• 1:21:56
  Some good points, but also like. Yeah.
• 1:22:01
  Some of them are like, listen, there's a lot to harp on in this
• 1:22:03
  movie, don't get me wrong, but it does feel like nitpicks at
• 1:22:06
  some points. Yeah, I just, I, I don't think
• 1:22:11
  this movie has any comedy to it. No, personally, I just, I don't
• 1:22:14
  see that at all. And yeah, I don't know, like I
• 1:22:19
  get the scares. It's, it's not exactly a scary
• 1:22:23
  movie either, but it does some good killing, at least in the
• 1:22:25
  final bit. I agree with that part right
• 1:22:27
  there. Yeah, it would be nice if it's
• 1:22:29
  spread it out more like in the first one.
• 1:22:31
  Yeah, I agree. All right, let's move on over to
• 1:22:34
  the positive. Yes, I would love to hear from
• 1:22:35
  somebody who adores this movie. So it's a nine on 10 feud in
• 1:22:40
  2011. This movie is brilliant.
• 1:22:42
  When I first watched it, I thought it actually was an 80s
• 1:22:45
  movie because it looked and it's exactly like that.
• 1:22:47
  All right, so I'm not weird for forgetting it was 2003.
• 1:22:50
  I had to double and triple check that this was 2008.
• 1:22:54
  I was really surprised when I came here and saw a relatively
• 1:22:57
  low rating and bad reviews. OK, I don't mind if a person
• 1:23:00
  gives a 5. I can see why some people might
• 1:23:03
  mightn't like it that much. But who on earth is giving it
• 1:23:07
  lower than fives? Jesse.
• 1:23:09
  Oh. No, it's it's sold out.
• 1:23:12
  It's hard to believe that they don't seem like fans of the
• 1:23:15
  original if that's their attitude, as this is very close
• 1:23:18
  to the original in a lot of ways and better than it in some.
• 1:23:21
  I have to admit I hated the fart scene at the beginning of the
• 1:23:24
  movie as well as many others. I also thought there were too
• 1:23:27
  many shots of boys in states of undress and the whole thing is
• 1:23:31
  quite campy. I totally get that the fat kid
• 1:23:33
  with the frogs is very weird. It makes things a bit
• 1:23:35
  uncomfortable and outrageous at times.
• 1:23:37
  It's called originality. It's called being different.
• 1:23:41
  It's viewing something new that you didn't see tons of times
• 1:23:44
  before. The fat kid is like a
• 1:23:46
  monstrosity, like some weird fuck, which is what horror
• 1:23:49
  movies are all about. Dude, you're not.
• 1:23:52
  You're kind of. You're a bullying.
• 1:23:54
  Dude, we're getting bullying in the reviews.
• 1:23:55
  Even that's fucked up. I think that as the movie wore
• 1:24:00
  on, the fat kid scenes got better.
• 1:24:02
  You know, you know, this man watched Hunchback and Notre Dame
• 1:24:06
  and sided with the creator. This guy.
• 1:24:09
  With the back. Look at that bag.
• 1:24:11
  Now you're gonna have a back. Fucking back.
• 1:24:14
  It's weird. It's a monstrosity.
• 1:24:16
  I love it. Again, if this is all not your
• 1:24:20
  cup of tea, fine, but it's certainly not a bad movie
• 1:24:22
  whatever you way you look at it. But those scenes were amazing.
• 1:24:26
  I don't like. I don't think anyone will have
• 1:24:28
  qualms about these. One of them dragged the belittle
• 1:24:31
  and that's it. The characters weren't overly
• 1:24:33
  mean to each other. Fuck off.
• 1:24:36
  Sure sure. Things got very heated at times.
• 1:24:39
  This is how the world works sometimes, and children can be
• 1:24:42
  very cruel to each other. Was was this reviewer, Michael?
• 1:24:46
  I think it was. That reviewer, Michael.
• 1:24:50
  Look, some of us might not have skin, you know?
• 1:24:53
  But monstrosities could be funny.
• 1:24:55
  Yeah, it could be. Funny, it could be a new novel.
• 1:24:58
  I was hot when I had skin. Yeah, I know.
• 1:25:00
  It's like this way. I don't like boys in various
• 1:25:02
  states of undress. Yeah, it's this is this is a
• 1:25:04
  various state of undress. Even if it's pushing credibility
• 1:25:09
  at times, I was able to believe in all of the characters actions
• 1:25:12
  in the movie. This is how horror movies were
• 1:25:14
  best. The music and atmosphere created
• 1:25:16
  are top notch. Maybe the plot could have been
• 1:25:18
  done a bit better with more comprehensive explanations for
• 1:25:21
  things and better mysteries surrounding who was doing
• 1:25:24
  things. I can certainly see how the
• 1:25:26
  movie might have had more potential, but for some reason
• 1:25:29
  the movie really just lured me into it in a way that's hard to
• 1:25:32
  explain. Maybe it's just the mood I was
• 1:25:34
  in, but it really got my imagination flying and had me in
• 1:25:37
  a lot of suspense about what was going to happen next.
• 1:25:40
  I'm glad this guy had a good time with it.
• 1:25:42
  Some real hot takes there. I think maybe he had a good time
• 1:25:46
  because he's a bully. I think so too.
• 1:25:48
  Oh man, this is cool. He's like, this is really cool.
• 1:25:51
  The way they make fun of the fat kid.
• 1:25:52
  It's one of yes, this guy is like, man, I fucking miss high
• 1:25:56
  school. You better hope Angela Baker
• 1:25:57
  doesn't read that review, dude. Yeah, yeah, you're dead.
• 1:26:01
  I mean that was 20 or. 11 Yeah, I could.
• 1:26:04
  Beat that already. That was a while back, All
• 1:26:06
  right. We need to start wrapping this
• 1:26:07
  thing up because it's getting crazy out there.
• 1:26:09
  Animals are losing their minds, so that's the end of return to
• 1:26:12
  sleep. Like who did you relate to?
• 1:26:15
  God, we didn't do that. We didn't do that.
• 1:26:16
  Who do I fucking relate to in this movie?
• 1:26:18
  I relate to Ronnie because I would try and be a mediator here
• 1:26:21
  and like get everybody that chilled the fuck out.
• 1:26:24
  I related to the girl who just read her book and tried to stay
• 1:26:27
  out of any kind of trouble. All right, so we're good people.
• 1:26:31
  That's good to know. OK, so that's it for a return to
• 1:26:34
  sleep away camp next week we're going to talk about raw French
• 1:26:40
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• 1:26:42
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• 1:26:45
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• 1:26:47
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