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Cardinals Fans Want John Mozeliak & Oli Marmol Both Gone · Kenny Wallace Media

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I did a couple Twitter polls. I still call it Twitter.
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I know it's X, but I did a couple polls end of last week
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and I was pretty surprised. I don't want to say shocked by
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one of the results. So basically let me find the
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polls here so I can show them to you.
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So the first one I did, this was this was five days ago.
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Simple question. All right, Here we go.
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And this was brought up on the live stream last week.
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So there's the question right there.
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Simple question because it was brought up on the live stream
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yesterday. Do you want our Ali Marmol back
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as Cardinals manager next season?
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OK, yes. You want Ali back 17%.
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No, 83%. I was surprised at the
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percentages of that question. I knew it would be more than 50%
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of folks not wanting Ollie back. And by the way, these Twitter
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polls, they're not official, they're not scientific, they're
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not Gallup polls. But 83% of you all, and this was
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12119 votes, 83% of you all don't want Ollie Marmol back.
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I was surprised by that. I didn't think the percentages
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would be that great. That was the type of number I
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expected more from a poll about John Mosaic.
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And so after I did that poll, I did the poll about John Mosaic.
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So here you go. This one got 1014 votes.
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OK, here we go. OK, now MO, do you want John
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Mosaic to be the Cardinals top baseball decision maker in 2025
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next season? And I put no to MO, yes to MO,
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93% of you guys, 93% want MO to go.
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Even that I feel like was a little more, was a little higher
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than I expected. I knew it was going to be bad.
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I knew it was going to be over, let's say 75%.
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But man, 93% of you want MO to go.
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I guess that's not as big of a shock to me or a surprise as the
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Ollie one. I'm not, I'm not an Ollie
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fanboy. I feel like I'm pretty fair with
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Ollie. I don't think by any means that
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Ali is even close to the biggest problem for the Cardinals this
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year. The last couple years I don't
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necessarily think he's been a great asset, but there's bigger
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fish to fry and to me it's more on ownership.
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John Mosaic. So I'm fine if the Cardinals
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move on from Alimar Mole. I guess I was surprised though
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that 83% of you want Ali to be gone.
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I thought that would be the number that's more like for John
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Mozelock. What do you guys think?
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All right, jump in, get your comments in here and we'll get
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going here. Let's see, Michael Smoot says
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fire Ollie and grab Skip before the Reds do.
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How about that Skip Schumacher? It seemed like last week when
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Skip bloody mouth. F that.
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I respect this guy too much. Talking about Shohei Otani,
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we're going to pitch to this guy, Shohei Otani with a chance
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to go for the the 5050 season. I like that people like that.
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People love Skip and the fact that basically you have Ali
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Marmol right now who's not popular and you always want the
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guy who's not here. Even though it's Skip Schumacher
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who was here as a player on the coaching staff, he does kind of
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seem like the one that got away from a managerial perspective.
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Let's see, Wootage would it JD 4.
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Of course they want both gone. After seeing what SHIELD has
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done with the Padres again, I wasn't, I wasn't surprised.
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I knew I knew Cardinal fans, especially on X, we're going to
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want both gone. I was surprised by the
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percentages, especially with Ollie.
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and chophouse in Fenton. So I was at the game Friday and
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look, the Cardinals are playing better.
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It's all good. What are they, 80 and 77?
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So what if they if they won out, Cardinals could win 85 games,
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which I think it's fair to say is, is right about or a little
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bit higher. I don't think they're going to
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win out, but let's say they finish 838482.
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It's it's kind of what everybody thought they would be before the
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season, All the projections. I, I think most people didn't
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think the Brewers were going to be this good and, and kind of
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run away with the National League Central.
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What do you guys think about that?
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Let's check on some. First of all, I'll get to the
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standings in a second, but I think this is interesting too as
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we get close to the end of the season here, just to kind of
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breakdown what happened with the Cardinals.
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OK, let's let's start with pitching.
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I was looking at this earlier, so I'm here on MLB.com.
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I'm just looking at basic stats, folks.
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I'm not, I'm not trying to get super intricate with all this.
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So let's just look at, let's just look at ERA overall.
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OK, ERA, Let's see overall team pitching staff.
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OK Mariners, Braves best in baseball 3.51.
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The Cardinals are 17th in baseball 4.04 ERA, essentially
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tied with the Red Sox and San Francisco Giants.
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I mean you can't be more right in the middle, middle of the
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pack pitching wise ERA then where the Cardinals are right
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now. 4.04 ERA, 17th best out of as we know the the 30 teams and
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tied with a couple other teams, Red Sox and Giants.
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OK, but let's go to starter and reliever.
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First of all, I think most people thought the Cardinals
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bullpen was going to be pretty Dang good this year when we did
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our our season preview show on low hanging fruit, Brennan
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Schaefer and I when we used to do that show and we will do a
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season ending show, I promise you.
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I said I think the Cardinals are going to have a top 10 bullpen.
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So here they are. And we're just looking at ERA.
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There's a lot of different numbers you can go to.
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I'm trying to keep it simple because I'm a simpleton.
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Cardinals 3.62 bullpen ERA 6th best in all of baseball.
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Guardians 1. Brewers, Braves, Tigers Yankees
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Cardinals 6th Dodgers 7th, Astros 8th, Rays 9th, Mariners
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10th. So basically, and look, Halsey's
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been unbelievable. You can't ask for much more at
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all from the Cardinals bullpen. I think that's fair to say.
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Would you guys agree? You should, you should agree.
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6th best bullpen in baseball ERA wise, any way you slice it.
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Top 10 bullpen, whatever it is. Let's go to starters though.
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Starters so I said what the Cardinals team ERA pitching wise
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was 17th 4.04 their starting staff ERA 4.3520 second best in
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baseball. OK, so we're talking the bottom
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quartile that's a fun word bottom quartile in baseball and
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so when when folks are are evaluating what happened this
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season, look the offense is going to be the number one
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culprit and we'll get to that in a second.
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But I do think when folks are saying and I've I've seen some
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of this online what not and I get comments on on YouTube and
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all that when I say when I see I should say folks saying look
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John Mozelock with the with the pitching staff this year pretty
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much worked. I don't think that's I don't
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think that's 100% fair at all. Look, it's more this year on the
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players and and the offense. So that's on the offensive
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coaching staff as well. But if you're let me just double
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check it so I have the right number.
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If you're 20 seconds in starting staff ERA, right, 4.35.
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Let's go, let's go innings just to to give another perspective
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here. OK, innings Cardinals better.
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They're 8th in baseball, 851 and 2/3 innings.
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And before the season, John Mosaic said a reason they were
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getting some of these guys, Gray Lynn, Kyle Gibson, they wanted
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to eat up innings. They did that 8th best in
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baseball in innings, but we want quality innings.
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Let's go to strikeouts. This is starting staff
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strikeouts. Cardinals 13th in baseball
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strikeouts with 768. So not terrible.
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Kind of middle of the pack right there.
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I'm not going to go through all these different stats and all
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that, but I, I don't think it's fair to say that that all those
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moves worked out OK. You like the innings, you don't
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love the quality of innings. And look, before the season
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started, we talked about this every day on the radio and most
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people thought the Cardinals are going to get Sonny Gray,
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specifically Sonny Gray, which they did.
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They were going to hopefully trade for a higher end front of
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the rotation starter. They did not do that.
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And then they were going to get somebody from that final bucket
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and we joked that was the Michael Walker bucket or Lance
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Lynn bucket or Kyle Gibson bucket, whatever it is, instead
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of getting one guy from that bucket.
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And, and I don't think fans, media would have been
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complaining if they got just Kyle Gibson or just Lance Lynn.
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It's the fact that they got both of them and didn't go and go for
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a higher tier of pitcher. I know it's, I know it's hard to
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get those guys. Dylan Cease was moved.
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All I'm all I'm saying is before the season started, I don't
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think anybody was very high on this Cardinals rotation.
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And I don't remember what I project them to be.
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I think I said middle of the pack, but it could be in the
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20s. And I'll go back when the season
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ends. I'll go back to that season
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preview episode and I'll I'll splice in exactly what we said.
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But I don't remember anybody thinking this was going to be a
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top ten staff. I don't remember anybody
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thinking this starting staff was going to be more than middle of
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the pack. So you kind of got what you went
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out and signed innings guys, not big, not big time strikeouts
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guys, not super quality innings, older dudes.
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And you have the 22nd best starting staff ERA and baseball.
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Now a lot of that has to do with, I mean, Miles Michaelis
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did not have a good year and there's positives.
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Look, Sonny Gray was good. Andre Palante, I think
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everybody's very excited for Andre Palante.
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He he pitched the game on Sunday that I was at versus the
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Cleveland Guardians. So I want to hear your comments
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on that. Let's go to the offense before I
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get to your comments, folks. So let's just go again, we're
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going big picture stats here. We'll go OPS for the offense.
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So Cardinals 20th in baseball, OPS with 698, twentieth in
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baseball. So we're talking bottom third.
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Let's go OBPOBP, Cardinals 15th right there, right there, middle
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of the pack, A310 OBP. Let's go slug.
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I'm not going to do all these, but just just some some bigger
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catch all stats 21st in baseball and slug 388 bottom third in
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baseball, not good. Can't slug OK at getting on base
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overall, not a good offense. Bottom third offense in all of
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baseball. And, and that's, that's the
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story of the season, folks, even though I think the Cardinals
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should have, should have tried to shoot higher for the starting
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rotation. If if you had the rotation the
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way it is, if you had the bullpen the way it is, top 10
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bullpen, 6th best bullpen, whatever it is.
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If this was a top ten offense, which I think was very fair to,
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to wonder if this offense could be that.
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And that doesn't mean it has to be.
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I mean, it could be whatever, 9th, 10th, 11th, 12th, whatever,
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if you just had a better offense all of a sudden.
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So here's a team that probably finishes the year, let's say 83
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wins. Does that get you to 8788 wins?
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What does it take right now to make the playoffs?
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Let's check that. Let's check that folks.
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Efforting. Here we go.
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So here's the wild card standings.
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Obviously you have division leaders, Dodgers, Phillies,
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Brewers, wild card. Padres 91 wins, Mets 87 wins,
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Diamondbacks 87 wins already. Braves have 86.
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So what it's going to take probably is it fair to say 8889
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wins, 88 or 89 wins to get a wild card?
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Most likely. We'll see what happens.
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And that number is higher than I think most people thought.
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Don't you think? You probably thought it was
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around 85. So I don't know, maybe maybe
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even with a top ten offense does a top ten offense and it it's
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not just look, it's not just I was giving you OPS.
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We know what this team is runners in scoring position.
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It's it's timely hitting. That's where the Cardinals were
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really, really bad. Let's see if I can actually find
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that specific stat. I don't know if they have that
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with with MLB. Let's see.
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Let's see here. I'm trying to find a split for
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you guys. I don't want this to be, I don't
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want this to be too boring of me searching for stats anyway.
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I don't know what it is. We all know that the Cardinals
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with runners in scoring position has been really, really bad.
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That's the story. It's not just the offense
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overall, it's runners in scoring position, timely hitting.
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Cardinals have been terrible at that.
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All right, 16 minutes in, what do you guys think of everything
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that I said? And if you're just jumping in,
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we got 63 people watching. Thank you for that.
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The reason I did this live stream is because I was
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surprised by the numbers again, of, of the polls on Twitter of
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how many of you want Ollie and John Mozelock to go at such a
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high percentage. I knew, I knew the numbers were
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going to be, yes, we want Moe and Ollie to go.
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But again, if you're just joining us, 83% of you want
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Ollie Marmol going. That was higher than I thought.
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And then 93% of you want MO Gon, 93% and I guess that's a little
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higher. That's a little higher than I
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thought. I mean, that's hell.
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That's Dang near unanimous. Let's be honest, 93% might as
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well be 100. OK, let's jump in the chat here
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and hear from you guys. Also, what did you think of
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Wilson Contreras comments? I liked them call out the front
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office a little bit. Let's let's be hungry to own the
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central. Also Wilson Contreras.
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I'm a big fan of his, but he also needs to stay on the field.
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Let's be real about it. Let's be real about that.
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Let's check Wilson Contreras last couple years Wilson
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Contreras. So let's see, 2023 he played 125
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games. This year he played 84 games,
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obviously good offensively, very good.
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I mean OPS plus of 123 last year and 1:35 this year, but he's
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only playing in half the games. How many games is he actually
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catching the last couple years? Let's check that real quick.
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So 2023, I mean, this is the guy that you, you signed on to be
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your, your catcher for five years. 2023 he caught 97 games.
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He started at 89 games this year at catcher, he caught 51 games,
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started 50 games at catcher, less than 1/3 of the games.
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We all know the best ability is availability and Wilson
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Contreras needs to stay on the field.
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I know there's some flukish stuff what he got hit by the bat
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there, but that also had to do with standing and squatting
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closer to the the batter to try to steal those low strikes.
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I'm not trying to get into all the specifics of that, but let's
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get to your chat. Here we go, do do do do do do do
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do. Here we go Mt 2330 talking about
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the percentages of wanting Ollie gone.
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I think it's because Ollie is directly linked as most guy and
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fans want a clean slate and no ties back to MO at all.
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That's fair. That is why if Bloom is the new
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guy, they have to make it where MO has no connection.
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That's fair, let's see Justin Kopp.
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I see likely scenario that MO lessens his role and I can see
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them staying with Ollie. I agree with that.
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MO steps aside a bit, says hey, Heimbloom's running the show,
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I'll be here to help out, give Ollie one more year, see what
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happens. Remember, they gave Ollie the
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extension before the season. I think that's probably the most
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likely scenario. Even if you guys don't like that
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and you want Ollie gone so Bloom would step in as the main voice,
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yes, I think that should happen. I want that to happen.
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Let's see here, Dylan Hatfield. Skip wouldn't take the job with
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MO here. MO sees the manager as someone
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to implement his out of date analytics department game plan,
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which is just lefty righty matchups, not manage players.
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I think Skip would take the Cardinals job regardless of
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who's the pobo Ralph Jenkins. But Charlie, a lot of the
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starters ERA is because they were always pitching under the
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gun because of lack of run support.
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OK, yeah, I I don't know if I'm 100% with you there, but I get
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it. Chiefs 15.
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Michaelis needs to go. He's been mid for a while.
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Yes, he has that that's been a really bad extension.
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Let's let's talk about just how bad it's been.
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Remember, he's under contract for next year as well.
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At what? What's he making next year?
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Something like 18 1/2, I believe. three-year 55.75
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million extension. I think it's 18 1/2.
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I looked at this not too long ago.
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Yes, he's making 18 and a half million this year, 18 and a half
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million next year. Miles Michaelis Miles Michaelis
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this season, 5.35 ERA 9:00 and 11:00.
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He did make his start 31 games, 166 and 2/3 innings.
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Only 118 strikeouts, a fip of 4.2 so fit much better than his
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ERA but still not striking anybody out, giving up a ton of
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contact, ton of hits. It's ugly folks.
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It's ugly. And you got to think next year
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is going to be more of the same. Let's see.
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Larry Bloom should be allowed to hire the manager.
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I agree with that also. MO and his minions cannot run
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the franchise. Yes, I agree with that also, but
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if I'm Bloom. I might come in my first year
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and go, hey, let's fix the entire front office 1st.
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That's the biggest problem. See what happens with Ollie.
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Maybe Bloom likes Ollie. If things don't go on next year,
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you can move on from from Ollie. But fixing the foundational
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parts of this franchise, front office wise, drafting,
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developing, decision making, that's the number one.
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That's the number one issue. And that's why I'm saying, look,
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I understand if you want to move on from Ollie.
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I get it. I just don't think Ollie's even
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close to the biggest problem. I I would be fine.
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And I'm not even a huge Ollie fan.
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I'd be fine with Ollie sticking around 2025 and see what
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happens. If you move on from Mosaic and
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you say Hein Bloom's going to be the number one decision maker.
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OK, Flying Navy 73 now check offense with runners in scoring
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position. 28th or 29th. Yeah, I was trying to do that.
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Is that is that what it is? I, I believe you.
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I just, I don't want to go through checking all these stats
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while I'm live with you guys. I'm sure it's something like
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that. Yeah, that's the story.
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Not just OPS. Overall runners in scoring
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position, timely hitting. This team has been really bad.
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Agreed. Dylan Hatfield didn't even hit
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on the worst part of the rotation.
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They're paid like a top ten staff.
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Yep. Looking at pay alone, the
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expectation should be flipped for the staff and offense.
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Agreed. What do we got?
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Mike was making 18 1/2. Remember Steven Matz?
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What's he making 11 AAV? Sonny Gray's making what, 25,
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but it was deferred. Who else?
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Lynn and Gibson are making what, 1213 or whatever it is.
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Yeah. And then Palante's cheap right
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now. Palante's been Dang good.
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But that's a lot of $10 million plus salaries and a couple that
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are approaching or over 20 million for a starting staff
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that is not good at all. I don't know why people want
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them to go. I look forward to the league
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average vets we bring in every offseason.
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Logan Hart, Again, I was more surprised at the percentages.
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I knew you guys would all want Ollie and especially MO to go.
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I have a cough dropping Monty Metcalf.
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MO was about a decade behind the times.
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No reason to let him screw up another offseason just because
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he's under contract. Let's turn the page.
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I agree with that. It's time to move on.
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It's time for him to step aside and let Hein Bloom run the show.
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I've been saying that for a long time.
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Justin Kopp, biggest offseason needs our #1 starter or number
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two. Yeah, front end guy who's not 34
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and a bat, preferably a lefty that can split Contreras and
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Arenado up. Then they must ensure that the
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bullpen is strong. Yeah.
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And then you got Ryan Helsley there.
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Ryan Helsley one year left. You give him a big extension.
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Extensions for relievers. Lot of volatility with
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relievers. I would do it.
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But if you're Helsley, I don't think you're signing A-Team
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friendly deal. I don't think you're signing a
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little little three-year extension, right?
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Let's look, I mean, Helsley coming off an amazing season, I
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always forget how old Ryan Helsley is too.
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I feel like he's a little older than I think he is.
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Let's look, Ryan Helsley is 30, so he'll be 31 next year.
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So if you give him an extension, it's essentially starting with
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his age 32 season, so 32345 man. So you basically have to give
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him an extension. He's already under contract next
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year. You'd have to give him an
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extension for his ages, 32345, maybe age 36 season.
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What do you get? A five year contract if you had
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a great season next year? I don't know.
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He's great, but that worries me. If you have to give him, you
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have to give him four or five years.
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He's one of the best relievers in all baseball.
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What do you guys think about that, Matt, The Michael's
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contract was bad from the start. Yes.
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The extension. The extension absolutely was
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Justin Kopp. Most of these moves will need to
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be done via trade. Yeah, we'll see.
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Here we go. Scott Fawn, my guy.
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Scott Fawn. How you doing?
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83% of folks not wanting Marmol back seems low to me.
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He's not an Ollie guy. I get it.
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Yeah, I mean, I don't know. I thought maybe 75%, I knew you
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guys would want Ollie gone. I think Ollie, my main issues
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with Ollie, they haven't changed.
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I thought he mangled game one of the playoffs, 2022 as also his
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first playoff game. I thought he handled the Tyler
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O'Neill situation really poorly. No reason, in my opinion, to
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publicly call that guy out. Then you basically had to trade
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him for a bucket of balls. What does Tyler O'Neill have
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this season? Last I looked, 31 bombs or
24:56
something. I know he's hurt all the time,
24:57
but also we're talking about an offense with the Cardinals that
24:59
needed any type of help. That relationship was fractured
25:03
beyond repair. And I just thought that was
25:05
stupid. I didn't there was any reason to
25:07
call the dude out publicly like that, especially when you would
25:09
never do that. I mean, the year before Yachty's
25:12
going to going to Puerto Rico to to check on his basketball team,
25:17
right? We're calling out some people
25:19
and not calling out other people.
25:21
Tyler O'Neill this year, 31 bombs, 61 RBI, 133 OPS, plus 855
25:28
OPS for Tyler O'Neill has not been good at all for the last
25:35
week or so. Let's check the splits real
25:37
quick. He's very streaky. 2024 splits.
25:42
Tyler O'Neill. Let's check him out.
25:46
Do do, do, do, do, do, do, do. First half, first half, 838 OPS.
25:52
second-half, Tyler O'Neill 882 OK, he's actually been, he's
25:59
actually been good overall in September, 816 OPS.
26:03
He was bad in August, really bad in May, but great in April and
26:10
really good June, July. So he's streaky.
26:13
He's had two bad months, but he's had four really good
26:17
months. I know he's banged up here and
26:19
there, but again, I thought Ollie calling him out fractured
26:23
that relationship beyond repair. He essentially said that if you
26:26
watch the interview on foul territory this winter, then you
26:30
had to trade him for nothing. I just thought that was totally
26:32
stupid. You had an asset in his walk
26:35
year, super motivated, and you had to trade him because your
26:38
manager called him out. You cannot change my mind on
26:41
this. You cannot change my mind on
26:43
this. Stupid.
26:44
I I didn't hear one. And when you hear other
26:46
professional athletes talk about this, whether it's on the radio,
26:49
TVI didn't hear one person think that that that Ollie handled
26:53
that properly. I will not change on that.
26:57
Logan Hart. We need to bring a Pete Kosma
26:59
back into the fold. I promise that will turn things
27:02
around. All right, Pete Kosma as a
27:05
coach, What is he even doing? Reverend 20 piece.
27:09
We need a remake of Velma and Louise.
27:11
Oh, come on, come on. Starring Mosaic and Marmol.
27:15
That's not nice. I remember how that movie ended.
27:18
Come on now. No violence, Bo.
27:23
Their issue with the Cardinals, how they handle their young
27:25
talent. Mason is an outlier as most of
27:27
the talent. Gorman, Scott, Walker, have all
27:29
been handled poorly. This needs to be addressed.
27:31
Yeah. Alec Burleson's been good.
27:33
Scott. Yeah.
27:34
Up and down. That was weird.
27:36
What? Just back up for paternity leave
27:39
for Luke and Baker. Gorman.
27:40
I don't know what's going on with him.
27:42
Walker's starting to hit, which is good, but he's been freaking
27:46
just kind of sabotage the last year or so.
27:50
Let's see cold trickle. The entire front office and
27:54
ownership need to go. That's one poll I didn't do was
27:57
do you want the Dewitts to sell the team?
27:59
And I think I think the I think the percentage would be right
28:03
around there. What was Ali 83% and MO was 93%.
28:08
I think I think the Dewitts selling the team would be in
28:11
between 83 and 93%. Is that fair to say, Fat Bob?
28:16
We want them gone, Charlie, Matt.
28:21
God, imagine if they brought in an actual manager like Joe
28:24
Madden and not a puppet. What do you think?
28:26
Also, maybe a manager with experience.
28:30
They've gone three straight managers with no big league
28:32
experience like Metheny. Now obviously Shilt was a minor
28:36
league manager, Ali minor league manager, but no big league
28:40
experience since Tony Larussa. That's a long time ago.
28:43
That's 13 years ago, folks. Let's see here.
28:48
Cold trickle. Pretty sure DeWitt the Sonny
28:50
boy. What?
28:53
OK, I'm going to. I'm going to.
28:54
I'm going to hide that one again.
28:57
Not nice. OK, we're not getting personal
29:00
here. He'll likely hire the first
29:02
chick for GM and manager. Come on now, folks.
29:04
Come on. I have to edit these better
29:07
before I read them. Ralph Jenkins Managers don't
29:11
make a huge difference in baseball compared to sports like
29:14
football and hockey. I agree, especially football,
29:17
baseball and basketball. It's about managing
29:19
personalities. Managing a bullpen I think is
29:22
important. Managing rest is important.
29:24
Being a good spokesperson for the team.
29:26
That's one of the main jobs of a baseball manager.
29:29
I hate to say it. That's another thing.
29:31
It's entertaining. Ali can be a little
29:33
condescending with the press. I think it's funny.
29:36
I wouldn't like if he was doing it to me also sometimes a little
29:40
a little too big for his britches.
29:41
Maybe. I was talking with my buddy
29:42
about that who was the assistant hitting coach for the Cleveland
29:45
Guardians. I think a reason for that is so
29:48
my buddy didn't play in the majors either.
29:49
He played in the minors. But I think I think everybody,
29:52
you know your strengths and you know your weaknesses.
29:55
And if you've never played in the big leagues and you're on a
29:58
big league coaching staff or you're a manager, you know that
30:02
you have to overcome that. And one way to do it is to kind
30:05
of fly under the radar and pay your dues and be like, hey, I
30:09
didn't play in the big leagues. Listen, learn.
30:12
And then the opposite way is to kind of just be real
30:16
authoritative about it. That's what I've seen from
30:18
Ollie. Look, I, I know Ollie's the
30:20
manager, he has to run the show, But I've, I've always felt like
30:24
he's trying to overcompensate for the fact that he's young and
30:28
overcompensate for the fact they didn't play in the big leagues.
30:32
And I just, I don't know, not a huge deal.
30:34
I just kind of noticed that with the way he treats umpires and
30:38
the press sometimes. What do you guys think?
30:40
I don't know. I don't know.
30:43
Just my two cents. Chiefs 15, wish they would stop
30:46
giving out all these undeserving contract extensions.
30:49
Yeah, that's another thing. The Cardinals, I've thought
30:51
about this a lot. The Cardinals are a family
30:54
business that run their business too much like a family business.
31:00
You know what I'm saying? When you run a family business,
31:04
it's with family and it's it's hard to fire a family member,
31:10
discipline a family member, move on from a family member if it's
31:14
not working. And that's what I'm saying.
31:17
The Dewitt's treat John Mosaic like a son Bill Junior does.
31:21
And then all these extensions, I think that's part of it.
31:24
The Cardinals are so in love with their past, which is great.
31:26
We all love, we all love the Red Jackets.
31:29
We all love best fans in baseball, baseball heaven.
31:32
But I feel like the Cardinals treat their longtime players so
31:35
much like family that they're afraid to cut bait with them
31:39
when they should. It's like the only guy they did
31:42
that with was Matt Holiday. Matt Holiday, if you go back the
31:45
last 10 years or so, Matt Holiday is basically the only
31:48
player they didn't give that extra extension for.
31:51
All these other guys, whether it's it's Matt Carpenter's first
31:55
extension, Miles Michaelis even continuing to bring back Adam
31:59
Wainwright. Even though it worked out for a
32:00
couple years, the last year was awful, right?
32:03
They just, they're they're in love with their past.
32:06
They're in love with nostalgia. That's why I wouldn't rule out
32:10
Paul Goldschmidt. That's a that's a tough one
32:12
about what what price he would come back.
32:15
I'm probably OK with moving on from Paul Goldschmidt.
32:17
But again, because he's one of those legacy guys, I feel like
32:21
he's somebody else who they'll give another extension to that
32:24
probably you shouldn't if it was anybody else, right?
32:27
You got to make tough decisions flying Navy 73.
32:32
I also think that MO has been paralyzed the last 5-6 years.
32:37
The bad trades have been so bad. The Ozuna deal giving up a
32:42
Contra gallon, the Randy Rosa Rana deal.
32:45
I feel like the Cardinals made a couple really bad trades and
32:49
then that made them afraid to make any big moves.
32:52
And what happened was then instead of making a tough call
32:56
moving on from an outfielder, you save these outfielders
32:59
forever. You, you keep them forever.
33:02
Whether it's Dylan Carlson, I mean, even Tyler O'Neill, you
33:06
move him when he has no value. His last year, you get nothing
33:10
for him. He has a nice year, but just
33:14
choosing outfielders, the Cardinals have been bad at that.
33:16
And then making a decision to to cut bait with somebody when they
33:20
still have value, when they're still valued by other
33:22
organizations and their top prospects.
33:25
Somebody like Dylan Carlson, where you trade him for
33:26
literally nothing, you get Sean Armstrong, who you what, put on
33:32
waivers a month or so later. Let's see.
33:37
OK, MO has to go. I'll take the opposite on Ollie.
33:40
He has done an outstanding job considering their roster.
33:43
MO saddled him with excellent job with bullpen.
33:45
Yeah, I don't think this year Ollie's done a bad job.
33:48
Good bullpen. I I don't think Ollie's the
33:51
biggest problem by any means, but I understand if you guys
33:53
want him to go. I get it, Ken San the first
33:57
bloom new pobo utilize Molina's advisory role.
34:00
Yes, the fact that Yadi just didn't even show up, that's also
34:04
hilarious. To restructure the organization.
34:06
It feels that the whole org lost its way.
34:09
The cardinal way is gone folks. I agree Yadi can fix that, but
34:12
he can't if he's just the manager.
34:14
Does Yadi want to come back for anything other than the manager?
34:16
Come on now. The dude made $100 million.
34:20
Bo. The handling of Nolan Gorman and
34:22
Jordan Walker has been a travesty.
34:25
Let's see, flying Navy 73 Part 2.
34:28
Not a real fan of Ollie and could offer reason for him to
34:32
go, but my Spidey sense that he would be better than most of the
34:35
guys they would hire. Skip is the exception.
34:37
I agree with that. That's well said.
34:41
Ken's on the 1st. Best to trade Housley.
34:43
Use that money for towards starting pitching and bats.
34:47
The league is going to figure him out by next season, maybe
34:50
not even next season. To me, it's more about God to
34:53
give a 32 year old like a four year deal with the volatility of
34:58
bullpen arms injuries, right? I'm I think the more I think
35:04
about if you get if you get a huge return from Helsley, I
35:07
would do it. If not, I would just keep them.
35:09
I would keep them. See what happens to the deadline
35:11
next year. Then you can always qualifying
35:13
offer him, right, even for a reliever, an unbelievable
35:18
closer, whatever that is, $20 million for one season.
35:22
But if they get a haul for him, I would move in this offseason.
35:24
I don't think I'd sign him do a big extension.
35:27
If he wants a A-Team friendly one, which why would he want
35:30
that? Remember he also they went to
35:32
arbitration and he was a little unhappy with the Cardinals
35:34
several years ago. That was when I was at.
35:38
Was that when I was at spring training?
35:39
Would that have been 20? I can't remember when that was.
35:43
No, that was not. I was not there whenever that
35:45
was. He was not happy with the
35:47
arbitration process, so I can see him wanting to test free
35:50
agency. Also.
35:54
Uncle John, here's a hypothetical question from a fan
35:57
in Asia. If Marmo is still managing next
35:59
season and wins the division, By the way, where you at in Asia?
36:02
How many fans would still be clamoring for Ollie's head?
36:06
Oh yeah, nobody. Nobody would if they win the
36:08
division, for sure. I also think moving on from MO
36:11
is enough substantive change that Cardinal fans would kind of
36:15
withdraw their arrows from Ali for a little bit.
36:19
Right? Moving on from MO is the biggest
36:21
is the biggest part. Rodger Walton been saying
36:25
Marmole should be fired from the from the get go.
36:27
Lousy manager. Keep Goldie at least two more
36:29
years even though he sucked this year.
36:33
Noah Priest. Cardinals used to be pretty good
36:35
at signing older players Will Clark, Larry Walker and the
36:37
Lance Berkman. Let's see, Ralph Jenkins, there
36:42
are not many systems in basketball and baseball.
36:44
A coach with a great defensive system in football and hockey
36:47
can make an immediate impact. Let's see 111 games played.
36:52
Hurt again. Crazy.
36:54
Who are you talking about there? We looked up what did Wilson
36:59
Contreras played about 80 or so games.
37:01
Who are you talking about? 111 games played?
37:03
I can't remember. That was 10 minutes ago.
37:05
We were talking about that. I had another discussion with my
37:07
buddy at the Guardians Cardinals game.
37:09
Different, different friend, big baseball guy, and he was having
37:13
a discussion with his baseball friends.
37:14
He brought this up to me. What do you think?
37:16
He said the Cardinals may have been the team most negatively
37:22
affected by the shift leaving. And when he brought that up,
37:27
started thinking about that. We've discussed that a little
37:29
bit and makes a lot of sense. The Cardinals did seem to have
37:34
an advantage defensive alignment for all those years.
37:39
They seem to really take advantage of the shift better
37:42
than a lot of other teams. And since then the defense has
37:47
fallen off. What do you guys think about
37:48
that? I thought that was a pretty
37:49
interesting topic. I haven't looked up all the
37:51
numbers on that, but I feel like the eye test speaks to that.
37:57
Quinn Matthews is Baseball America's minor league pitcher
37:59
of the year for 2024. Yes, we're very high on Quinn
38:01
Matthews. We're very high on Tink, hence.
38:03
So hopefully some big time starters are coming from the
38:06
organization, which has been the problem the last five to seven
38:10
years. Really nobody from the
38:11
organization besides Flaherty, who is up and down.
38:13
He was hurt a lot. We like Palante, he's got to
38:16
show more, but so far so good. Jacob Strange, maybe Ronnie Bell
38:23
Yard to bring him back, huh? He'll save this Ralph Jenkins,
38:28
John Mosaic and to a lesser extent Bill DeWitt Junior.
38:31
Much bigger problem than Ollie Marmol with the Cardinals issues
38:34
in the last decade. I agree Ryan made managers do
38:38
not matter. Look at the Brewers.
38:40
Cubs, yes, I don't want to say do not matter, but they don't
38:44
matter nearly as much as a lot of people think.
38:46
The the baseball decision makers in the front office matter much,
38:51
much more. And look what happened with
38:53
Craig counsel. Everybody said, oh, you're
38:54
losing the the best manager, the guy who knows how to handle a
38:57
bullpen. Brewers didn't skip a beat.
39:00
Cubs not that great. Let's see it's got fun man.
39:05
This is the time you want to take the pobo job.
39:07
You would end that goodwill day one if you keep your losing
39:12
manager. OK yeah, like I said, if if they
39:15
if they move on from Ollie, I totally understand it.
39:19
But first and foremost, you got to move on from from John
39:22
Mosaic. If they move on from Ollie to
39:25
I'm fine with it. I just don't think it's as
39:26
pressing Aaron Dodson. The Dewitts don't care to win
39:31
anymore. They need to sell.
39:34
They certainly don't care about really winning at a high level.
39:37
They certainly don't care about really putting themselves in a
39:39
position to not just squeak into the playoffs, right.
39:42
The last 3-4 years, I feel like all the teams have been the same
39:46
on paper, just, hey, let's get in and see what happens.
39:48
And then when things go poorly, all it takes is a couple things
39:51
to go bad. Last year was awful.
39:53
Then you you sell at the deadline.
39:55
This year things OK at the deadline, but still you don't
39:59
get any type of boost in in August and you missed the
40:03
playoffs. Let's see Bird chatter baseball
40:06
70% on DeWitt. Even if it was 95%, I would be
40:10
the 5%. No, you don't want the Dewitts
40:12
to sell Aaron Dodson. The Dewitts don't care to win
40:16
championships. I agree with that.
40:18
Here's the best. Comment of the live stream.
40:20
Charlie should be the new GM. Yes I agree I will take that job
40:25
for sure. Bird chatter baseball 70% on to
40:28
it. He's a Hall of Fame owner.
40:30
STL quality and a great story. Like Augie until the old man's
40:33
gone. I say no it wouldn't, it won't
40:36
and shouldn't. Let's see.
40:41
As for mole, say lock and oily caramel, I don't know if that's
40:48
a typo. I don't know.
40:51
Scott Vaughn. What about DeWitt the Third
40:52
stepping up to be the owner? Yeah.
40:55
I mean, you got to think they're going to keep it in the family
40:58
down the road. Let's see.
41:01
Bird chatter, baseball. I thought this was a new live
41:03
stream. See.
41:05
Same live stream. What?
41:06
We're 42 minutes in. I'm not going to go super long.
41:10
I'm trying to get to all your guys questions.
41:12
I appreciate them all. Let's see, cold trickle.
41:17
DeWitt the Third has been at the helm of this club for at least
41:19
the last four years. He's done quite a bang up job,
41:21
huh? DeWitt the third?
41:24
He's more the business guy. Let's see Ryan Cleary, they
41:29
brought back Matt Adams for a day.
41:30
Love the guy, but he hit 559 homers in his career.
41:33
I'm fine with that. I love big city.
41:35
Matt Adams. Hey, that's what the Cardinals
41:37
are about, having little ceremonies for guys like that.
41:39
You can joke about it. Hey, should they have bigger,
41:42
bigger numbers to honor those guys?
41:43
I'm fine with that. We love Big city, we love Matt
41:45
Adams, big moments, Clayton Kershaw.
41:47
It's all good. I'm not going to complain about
41:49
that, especially in a year where not much is going right.
41:52
OK, I'm not going to. I'm not going to RIP on Big
41:55
city. He's my guy.
41:58
But I understand what you're saying.
42:00
Verles Quinn, If most days Ollie stays, it makes sense.
42:03
It's MO's last year again. If most days, he will make some
42:05
player moves, but I think we'll be mindful of the new GM coming
42:08
in 2026. Brad Nichols.
42:12
Ollie did fine. Fans usually have very stupid
42:14
reasons for demanding he goes as if this team would have
42:17
performed much differently without him.
42:20
That's kind of where I'm at. Burlesquin, I'm OK with Ollie.
42:23
Offense was bad. Yeah, this is much more, first
42:25
of all, on Mosaic big picture and specifically on the players
42:29
this year offensively, Goldschmidt, Arenado, Gorman,
42:35
Jordan Walker. Who am I missing?
42:37
Go around the diamond. Contreras being hurt.
42:40
He was good when he was in the lineup, but hurt for half the
42:43
games? Who else?
42:46
I mean, look, the dudes you're paying 60 million to got to be
42:50
better. No one.
42:51
Arenado, Paul, Goldschmidt, Wilson.
42:53
Contreras has to be on the field more.
42:56
Jordan Walker, we expected him to take a step forward and
42:58
instead he was in the minors for most of the season.
43:02
Nolan Gorman in the minors, we expected him to take a huge
43:05
step. It ain't good, folks.
43:08
Oh, Tyler O'Neill, 111 games played.
43:11
That's who you're talking about. Ryan Mabe.
43:12
Yes, Ryan Mabe again. Cardinals over under for wins
43:17
was 84 1/2 were one of the favorites.
43:19
Brewers being much better than expected killed the season.
43:22
Yeah, but still, I don't think you should be happy going into a
43:25
season where you're over. Under is 84 1/2, right?
43:27
The Cardinals may land right around there.
43:29
If they won out, they get 85. They probably land on more like
43:32
83, right? You can't.
43:35
You can't expect to get to the playoffs with 84 wins, right?
43:39
I would feel much better if you're over.
43:41
Under is 88 and a half, 89 1/2. OK, You feel pretty good.
43:44
Hey, this is a playoff team. 84 1/2, you're kind of.
43:48
We'll see what happens. Bird chatter, baseball.
43:52
So whatever percentage is majority is wrong on DeWitt.
43:54
I don't know with MO Good time to part ways from Walt Jockity
43:57
1995. Ali manages like a deer in
44:00
headlights. Must fire Eric Wade.
44:05
The Edmond stuff alone is grounds for firing.
44:07
How are you going to be asleep at the wheel the entire season?
44:10
Almost none of their moves made a ton of sense.
44:12
Move UPS, downs, trades, waivers.
44:14
Yeah, I agree with that. Eric Wade always playing catch
44:18
up. Aaron Dodson.
44:21
MO should be fired and left penniless.
44:25
That's harsh. I think he's probably got some
44:27
money in the bank. MO strikes me as somebody who
44:29
manages his personal portfolio very well.
44:32
Spencer Bean. Skip is likely to replace Ollie
44:35
based on some inside info. They may keep him next year
44:38
though. But if they drop him this year
44:39
to Skip, fans would love Skip coming back.
44:42
Let's be real. That's one thing right?
44:44
It's a no brainer just from a popularity standpoint because
44:46
remember, you also need to sell tickets.
44:49
The Cardinal fans did not show up this year.
44:51
I'm not mad at you didn't get to 3 million fans for the first
44:54
time in this ballpark's history. And look, there was half of
44:58
that. Let's be real about that.
44:59
However many, whatever the number is going to be 2,800,000,
45:05
whatever the number is, it's it's it's more like half that,
45:07
right that actually showed up and attended the games final
45:11
think what would Trump do? You're all fired.
45:13
Make Cardinal baseball great again.
45:15
There we go. Cold trickle prediction.
45:17
They don't do anything in the offseason.
45:19
I agree. I I disagree, disagree with
45:23
that. They're going to do something in
45:24
the offseason for sure. I think Mosaic actually going to
45:27
step aside or at least step aside a little bit and say, hey,
45:32
I'm Bloom's coming in. He's going to be the future.
45:35
We're going to give him a bunch of responsibilities for 2025.
45:37
I think that's what is and should happen.
45:42
Alex Clubs, if Charlie was managing, who would you start
45:44
next year? Who would I start if I was a
45:50
manager? I mean, these dudes just got to
45:52
hit right? Gorman has to hit.
45:54
Walker has to hit. Aronado has to hit.
45:57
We'll see if if Goldsmith's even here.
45:59
If he is, he has to hit like a $26 million player.
46:03
Aronado has to hit like a $35 million player.
46:06
Jordan Walker has to hit like a top five prospect in baseball.
46:10
Gorman has to hit like a guy that we looked at as a first
46:13
round pick who was going to be a 30 bomb big leaguer for 10
46:16
years. That's what has to happen.
46:19
Spencer being Goldie is likely to go back to Arizona unless
46:22
we're able to sign him for a lot lower price tag.
46:25
If he goes back to Arizona, I think that's OK folks.
46:27
I think it's OK to move on from Goldschmidt.
46:30
I don't think anybody's going to really either way be like, oh,
46:32
we lost Goldschmidt at his age. What what is he?
46:35
How old is Paul Goldschmidt? Is he 36?
46:40
Let's look him up because I forget all these things.
46:42
Paul Goldschmidt. Paul Goldschmidt is he's already
46:46
37. He just turned 37 September
46:50
10th. So you're basically getting him
46:52
for his ages 37 and 38 season. I don't think you can be really
46:56
mad if they don't sign Paul Goldschmidt, folks.
47:00
Let's see Spencer Bean, even if Paul Goldschmidt goes somewhere
47:04
else and is good, OK it it's OK with moving on from a 37 year
47:09
old on A2 year deal if if he wants 2 years, it's OK to say,
47:13
you know what we don't feel great about About this deal at
47:15
this price, Ali's likely to be shelved for skip, though you
47:18
heard it here first. Just watch and see Spencer Bean
47:23
O'Neill hit as many dingers as our whole outfield combined.
47:25
That was my whole point earlier. And you traded him for nothing.
47:28
You traded him for nothing in his walk year when he was super
47:30
motivated. He wasn't making a ton of money
47:32
and you did it because you fractured the relationship
47:34
beyond repair last year by calling him out publicly.
47:38
I will never, I will never change my mind on that.
47:40
I said it was stupid then, stupid now.
47:43
Even. Looks worse when your offense
47:45
sucked. He hits 31 bombs.
47:47
He'd have been your best outfielder.
47:49
And oh, by the way, you traded him for nothing.
47:51
What a minor league guy. And then who was the other guy?
47:54
I forgot his name. Was it Nick Robertson?
47:56
That they freaking DFA, Right? Correct me if I'm wrong.
48:00
I believe I am. Let's see.
48:04
Devin Hilton Ali is fine for high school baseball coach.
48:06
Come on now. Hall of Fame managers don't grow
48:08
on trees. There's only a handful at any
48:10
time, and we need to go get one. Go get one.
48:12
Or or get somebody who turns into a Hall of Fame manager.
48:15
How about that, J Bok? Look at the majority of good
48:19
teams. They have at least six players
48:21
in the lineup with 20 plus homers.
48:23
Yeah, we we looked earlier. The Cardinals, what was their
48:26
slugging percentage? Was it 388?
48:29
Let me go look again. I think the Cardinals slugging
48:31
percentage. Cardinals.
48:35
OK, let's look at this again. We did this earlier, folks.
48:40
Cardinals Team OPS Team OPS Cardinals 20th in baseball 6698
48:52
team slug Yikes 38820 first in baseball team OBP OK 15th Middle
49:01
of the pack 3-10 in baseball. And we all know the biggest
49:05
issue is timely hitting runners in scoring position.
49:07
That tells the story. Verlis, Gwynn.
49:12
I think if or when Bloom takes over, say bye bye to the big
49:15
money contracts. Wilson, Goldie, NATO and Gray,
49:19
it may take him a year or two to trade them away, but I believe
49:22
that's the direction he will go. You should keep Gray first of
49:25
all, Wilson, he stays healthy. You like that deal.
49:29
Even if he turns into ADH or first baseman in the last couple
49:31
years. NATO, don't you think NATO's
49:35
going to want to trade this offseason?
49:36
He's making a lot of money for less production.
49:38
Goldie, you just don't bring him back.
49:40
That's easy. I don't think you move on from
49:42
Gray's contract. Let's see.
49:46
Spencer being Goldie is the most likely to go.
49:49
I'll go for an hour here, folks, About 9 more minutes.
49:52
Scuba 13. There's some sort of disconnect
49:54
between minors and majors player development.
49:56
Springfield and Palm Beach had great, great years, but guys
49:59
aren't developing at AAA. Yeah, that's another thing.
50:02
When the Cardinals were good 11 to 15, they would just go down
50:05
and bring up a frickin army of pitching reliever.
50:08
I was talking to my buddy about this at the game the other day.
50:11
I mean, just even we're talking the Rosenthal, the Kevin Segres,
50:14
the Seth Manesses of the world, then go to starters Shelby
50:18
Miller, Michael Walker, Lance Lynn, Carlos Martinez.
50:22
They would always go down and get folks from the minor leagues
50:25
that would come up and contribute.
50:27
And we have not seen that, that pipeline of pitching.
50:30
I mean, we'll see what happens with Mcgreevy, but guys like
50:32
Mcgreevy and Graceffo and Zach Thompson, who you thought would
50:35
be contributors, that has not really been the case.
50:39
Palante obviously was great this year.
50:41
You're happy with him. But big picture, just churning
50:44
out the the pitching that you develop yourself.
50:47
That's why the Cardinals were so good from 11 to 15.
50:52
Let's see, Spencer Bean, we aren't willing to give him
50:54
18,000,000 next season. Talking about Goldschmidt, I
50:56
believe, yes. Craig Star, possibility of
50:59
trading multiple prospects for a future Hall of Famer on a bad
51:02
team. Mike Trout, that ain't going to
51:04
happen. What's Mike Trout make, like 40
51:06
million, something like that. He's also always hurt.
51:11
We're trying to get rid of the big contracts, older guys that
51:14
are hurt. All right, Aaron Hughes, time to
51:16
let Mcgreevy and hence start establishing themselves in the
51:18
rotation. Hard to give start to the lots
51:20
of veteran. That's another thing.
51:21
Yeah, like next year. Miles Michaelis, OK, he's under
51:24
contract. Wouldn't you rather see somebody
51:27
like Mcgreevy get a shot? Tink?
51:31
I don't think Tink and Quinn Matthews are going to start the
51:33
year with a chance to make the big league club as starters.
51:37
But hopefully they're in the big leagues at some point next year.
51:41
Let's see. Ryan Cleary, Charlie, will they
51:44
have an end of season press conference this year?
51:45
Lol yes they will. But I don't think it'll be a
51:48
typical press conference of basically the post mortem on the
51:51
season. I think.
51:52
I think there will be news. I think it'll be a news
51:55
conference announcing some changes.
51:57
That's what should happen. I just answered this question,
52:00
but Spencer Bean, will we see Quinn Matthews as a starter at
52:03
the beginning of next year? I say no, but hey man, he's been
52:06
unbelievable. So I wouldn't rule it out, but I
52:08
wouldn't bet on it. Let's see.
52:14
Kent's on the 1st. Props for Wilson to say what's
52:16
needed to be said. Too many holes in the lineup
52:18
from underperforming players. Hopefully the front office
52:20
doesn't take offense and trade him.
52:22
I saw a stat on X. Did you guys see this?
52:24
Somebody put it out there of the Cardinals record though, the
52:27
last couple years with and without Wilson Contreras.
52:30
I didn't even want to bring it up because I didn't personally
52:33
vet it, but it was a stark difference of the Cardinals
52:36
record. When Wilson isn't playing, it's
52:39
much better than when he is playing.
52:41
Did you guys see that? Did anybody check on that?
52:44
I shouldn't have brought it up without checking on it, but it
52:46
was really surprising to me. Terry McKenna, watch Goldie will
52:51
come on after he gets away from Ollie.
52:52
I mean, yeah, but wasn't Goldie? Goldie was really good Ollie's
52:59
first year, wasn't he? Let's look it up.
53:03
So Ollie's first year was 2022. Goldie an All Star?
53:07
Oh, he's a fricking MVP. Come on.
53:09
Yeah, that was his MVP year. I mean, he was the MVP with
53:13
Ollie, led the league in slug OPS and OPS plus.
53:18
Fricking MVP, 35 bounce, 115 RBI, 2022.
53:23
So it's not on Ollie, it's on Goldie.
53:25
And even last year, Goldie was 120 OPS plus.
53:29
To me, you're seeing potentially just aging.
53:32
He's up to 95 OPS plus not. I mean, look, you're getting
53:36
close to league average, but you're making how much money is
53:38
he making, $26 million a year? I mean, that dude's got to be at
53:42
least 120 OPS plus. I know he's getting older, but
53:45
yeah, he's making $26 million this year.
53:50
Mike Keeler Like Wee Willie Keeler's relative, Trout's best
53:56
years are in the rearview mirror.
53:59
Let's see. Zachary Long Honestly, we just
54:02
need another hitting coach, a bat and maybe another starter.
54:04
Got plenty of trade options. Gorman I do think the Cardinals,
54:07
there's another thing we talk about front office, but field
54:10
staff. Don't you think you have to move
54:11
on from the entire offensive coaching staff?
54:13
So hopefully this offseason we have at least two big moves.
54:17
Maybe 3 because you guys all want Oligon, but at least two,
54:20
in my opinion. Mosaic says Heimloom's going to
54:23
take over. I'm going to give him a ton of
54:25
responsibility in 2025, Get rid of the entire offensive coaching
54:29
staff. At that point, I think fans
54:32
would not be that pissed if Ollie's back.
54:35
What do you guys think? Here we go, Bird chatter
54:38
baseball. What would Trump do?
54:39
We have the greatest, winningest franchise.
54:42
We know the Yankees, but they cheated.
54:44
Everybody knows they cheat. So we are the greatest, the top
54:47
and #1 baseball team. Not a very good impression.
54:50
I tried Spencer Bean, that's my main grief with Ollie is he did
54:55
that to O'Neill. That was probably the biggest
54:56
problem he has with ownership to philosophy wise, which says a
54:59
lot. Who is your favorite one year
55:03
bullpen pitcher with the Cardinals or somebody to get?
55:06
I haven't even looked at the freaking who's who's available
55:08
out there. Another Trump.
55:12
Trump continued. In America, folks, we are better
55:14
off than we were four years. Remember when Jack Flaherty was
55:17
great? Matt Carpenter could hit Goldie.
55:20
She's Goldie. Not even gold.
55:22
They tarnished Goldie. That's pretty good.
55:25
That's pretty funny. My impression wasn't good, but
55:27
the writing is good. Get rid of Gibson in my opinion.
55:32
How about we give Ryan Lotus a chance?
55:35
18 of 20 save OPS in triplet. Great story.
55:38
I remember interviewing Ryan Lotus.
55:40
Is that how you pronounce it? I can't remember.
55:42
I remember interviewing him at Wash U when Wash U was going to
55:46
the Division Three World Series I believe.
55:48
And for a guy like that, wasn't he undrafted?
55:51
Was that the COVID year? Maybe the COVID year, I can't
55:55
remember. But for him to be a big leaguer
55:57
from D3, Wash U throws gas now. Super impressive.
56:03
Spencer, me and I say we bring back JoJo and Kit.
56:07
Honestly, yeah, Kit Ridge. It'd be nice to have Kit Ridge
56:09
back on a nice little one year deal.
56:11
Also Nathan Holtmeyer. Aside from shite trades, I think
56:18
the Dewitt's deserve a majority of fan hate as opposed to MO.
56:21
Both. Do you agree MO can operate
56:24
within the financial limits that ownership places them in?
56:27
I don't know because the Cardinals payroll isn't like
56:29
$200 million. It's not about how much
56:31
recently, it's about how they spend the money.
56:35
But it's on MO more for just the whole organization.
56:37
Drafting, developing, that's on MO, but really it's on the
56:41
Dewitt's because the buck stops with the owner.
56:44
I'll always blame the ownership more just big picture because
56:48
they run the business, they run the company.
56:50
At the end of the day, if somebody underneath you, even
56:53
Mosaic, isn't doing well for your business to succeed, you
56:56
have to move on from that person.
56:59
Let's see, man, you guys have a lot of questions and comments.
57:02
I don't think I'm going to be able to go to all these.
57:04
OK? I'm just going to, I'm going to
57:05
sift through them. I appreciate it, honestly.
57:07
We'll go a nice solid hour. Let's see.
57:11
Do, do, do, do, do. Yeah.
57:12
Runners in scoring position killed us this year.
57:15
We all agree on that. Do, do, do, do.
57:17
Do. They need a whole new outfield
57:20
move Burleson into first. Don't you like.
57:22
You like new bar, though, right? New bar.
57:24
Solid, Donovan. Solid.
57:27
This is funny. Patrick Longshanks.
57:29
Whatever happened to Molina Consulting?
57:31
He watched this team this year and said, I'm not interested.
57:34
I'll take that check, though. We'll see you next year.
57:37
This is well said. Chester Markle MO did a good job
57:41
for a long time, but I think it's time to move on.
57:43
That's that's an adult way of saying it.
57:46
That's how I say it. I agree with that.
57:48
More good than bad. Big picture. 1st 10 years not as
57:51
good as first ten years, much better than the last.
57:53
Whatever eight years, whatever it is, overall good.
57:57
Time to move on. This is business baby.
58:00
That's all it is. You like my Trump impression?
58:02
It was OK Good writing though. Yadi as manager, Who do you
58:07
think Hein Bloom wants to come in and have Yadi be the manager
58:10
who has more juice than him in the organization?
58:12
Would you want that? Would you want that as a
58:15
president of baseball operations?
58:16
Year one hiring Yadi, who's more popular than anybody on freaking
58:21
Earth in terms of Cardinal Nation, Libertour will be the
58:26
next closer, or at least set up guy.
58:28
Yeah, I'd like to see Libertour more opportunities for sure next
58:31
year manage the Cardinals. He was supposed to be an advisor
58:33
and player helper this year, but he didn't show up at all, which
58:36
is hilarious, let's be honest. That they doesn't jive.
58:44
With ownership, unfortunately, Trust me, Jive.
58:46
Yeah, yeah, I like Burley at first.
58:49
Next year, Livitor is a positive thing we can take from this
58:53
season. How many years until we're a
58:55
playoff contender going into the season?
58:58
Big time playoff contender. I think 2026 Cardinals can make
59:02
the playoffs next year, right? They can make the playoffs next
59:05
year, but I don't think on paper they're going to be that great.
59:08
But don't you think 2026 is more of the year where you're
59:12
shedding contracts, right? You're shedding Michaelis,
59:15
you're shedding Steven Matz. You would think that at that
59:19
point, Quinn Matthews and Tinkhens are really ready to
59:23
contribute maybe as full time big league starters, even though
59:26
that would probably be their first year at that point.
59:29
You're hoping Jordan Walker figures it out and he's really
59:31
good. You're hoping Nolan Gorman is
59:33
pretty good. I can see the Cardinals on paper
59:37
2026 being pretty damn good. I think on paper next year, very
59:41
good chance that they're kind of like this year with that over
59:45
under win total of 84 1/2 or 83 1/2 or or something of that
59:49
nature. OK, here's a good stat.
59:54
Oh, wait. I don't think there's a chance
59:55
Tink is ready before Quinn. Yeah, that's what I'm saying.
59:58
I'm saying 2026 as full time starters.
1:00:00
I think they'll both be in the big leagues at some point next
1:00:03
year for something. Cup of coffee, spot start, end
1:00:07
of the year, whatever it is. Here's the stat I was trying to
1:00:09
go to scuba 13. Insane stat of the year.
1:00:12
Bases loaded batting average is 184, down from last year's 198.
1:00:17
So 15 point drop. I'll, I'll take your word for
1:00:19
that. Let's see.
1:00:24
Jay Bok. Need better hitters from the.
1:00:26
Miners rarely get a stud hitter develop.
1:00:28
They always have to trade for older hitters already past 30.
1:00:31
How about developing the guys that like Walker and Gorman?
1:00:34
I mean, you like Donovan, don't you?
1:00:35
You like Burleson, you like win, you like Newt Bar.
1:00:38
I know Newt Bar has to, you know, some of these guys have to
1:00:39
stay a little more healthy, but there's some good position
1:00:42
players there. OK, let's wrap it up.
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I'm a Guardians fan and I haven't looked, but the Tigers
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that? OK, I'll do a couple more,
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Let me know with the end of your conference Monday.
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I'm worried the big changes MO will announce won't be big at
1:02:23
all. Firing Turner Award and naming a
1:02:24
new director of player development.
1:02:26
MO will still be pobo. We shall see.
1:02:29
I don't know. I hope, I hope, MO.
1:02:30
I don't think that'll happen immediately, that announcement,
1:02:33
although you should probably shouldn't hold the press
1:02:35
conference until you actually have that solidified.
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So whatever they have to do, I don't think you're going to see
1:02:42
a press conference that first week.
1:02:44
I think if the Cardinals are going to make big changes, they
1:02:46
have to let those things play out a couple weeks and maybe you
1:02:50
have a press conference where Heim Bloom's actually they're
1:02:52
sitting there, right? Mitchell says.
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Yeah. Dad's a good dude.
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I talked to him at the gym all the time.
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Let's see. The Cardinals are opening their.
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Own streaming service, that's another thing.
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The TV Cardinals are going to have to invest in that
1:03:07
infrastructure with the TV moving forward and that's going
1:03:09
to be a big investment, even though big, big picture long
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term is going to be much better for them, but probably going to
1:03:14
be a little painful financially for the first couple years.
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Hope Schilt wins the World Series.
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I agree with that. I want the Guardians to win the
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world. Series, but I would.
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Want to see Schilt as well? I'm I'm totally fine with that.
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All right, all right guys, we'll end it there.
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I think I read almost every one of your guys comments, almost
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we read a million of them and I appreciate all you guys.
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We're 65 minutes in, we got 95 of you still watching.
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Thanks, guys. Charlie Marlow signing off.
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Thank you so much. We'll try to do at least one of
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these per week or so. I'll do one.
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I'll tell you what. Also, I think I'm gonna do one
1:04:00
next Tuesday when playoffs start.
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Maybe we'll do 1 during the day while I'm kind of watching games
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over there and we can have a little chat while we're going
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back with all the games. I got to see the schedule, but I
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love that first playoff day when there's a ton of baseball games,
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so we'll see. All right, guys, and I'll end on
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this Spencer Bean. Thanks, Charlie.
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