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- 0:00Welcome to MythMakers.
- 0:06MythMakers is the podcast for fantasy fans and fantasy creators brought to you by the Oxford
- 0:12Centre for Fantasy.
- 0:14Hello, here at MythMakers we've been thinking of our fantasy top 10s and we're going to start
- 0:22this week with top 10 fantasy royals.
- 0:26In this week, where Oxford, along with the rest of the UK and the Commonwealth, celebrates
- 0:31the extraordinary long reign of Elizabeth II, I thought it would be fun to pick out
- 0:37the top 10 royals to appear in fantasy.
- 0:40Now, I should start with a caveat.
- 0:42I am not going to include fairy stories, as we would be awash in Prince Charmings and
- 0:48Wohick Queens.
- 0:49Instead, I'm going to think of the perennials who feature outside Fairyland.
- 0:54Let's go in reverse order.
- 0:57Coming in at number 10 is the King who rocked our world most recently and changed perceptions
- 1:04in Hollywood as to who should start in fantasy films.
- 1:08I'm talking about Charla, of course, aka the Black Panther.
- 1:13The character had existed in the Marvel comic series since 1966, drenched up by Stan Lee
- 1:19and Jack Kirby, but didn't really hit worldwide fame until the 2018 film starring the much missed
- 1:27Chadwick Boseman.
- 1:29I admit I wasn't a huge fan of the plot, as it seemed a little too close to Lion King
- 1:34and Hamlet in structure, but the real pleasure and originality rested in other aspects of
- 1:40the film.
- 1:41I loved the evocation of an independent African kingdom, Wakanda.
- 1:46It's some seriously kick ass women and amazing design.
- 1:51Boseman was gentle and brave, great qualities for a king, though I also have a huge soft
- 1:57spot for Shuri, played by Latisha Wright, his genius young sister, allowed on this list
- 2:03as she is a princess of Wakanda.
- 2:06However, most of all I and the millions who went to see it adored the fact that finally
- 2:12a film dominated by an excellent black cast had blasted its way to the top of the box
- 2:17office and changed society as a result.
- 2:20That's the power of fantasy right there, allowing us to imagine the world in new ways.
- 2:26Now to number 9.
- 2:28Roelty can also be found in outer space.
- 2:32At 9 on the list is Duke Leto Atredis.
- 2:36I did debate with my husband if he was allowed in, but we decided that this was the equivalent
- 2:41of a royal title as he clearly rules planets as well as his house.
- 2:46After all the British royal princes are dukes, so there is a precedent of royal duchess.
- 2:52He appeared first in Frank Herbert's June series and also on screen in adaptations of
- 2:57the story.
- 2:58Oscar Isaac is the most recent actor to take on the role in 2021.
- 3:04He is a caring family man, tries to be a good and just leader, and ultimately sacrifices
- 3:10all to protect those he loves.
- 3:13He is also a tragic figure, in the mould of the ancient Greek heroes as signaled by his
- 3:18name and the house iconography.
- 3:21He is a modern priam, father and king of Troy, so we will let him stand for all the heroes
- 3:28of that Greek tradition that could have also been on this list.
- 3:33At number 8.
- 3:34Moving back to the more familiar royal title of princess, I am staying in space.
- 3:40My first most remarkable cinema experience was seeing Star Wars in 1977, now called
- 3:46Star Wars 4 a new hope.
- 3:49It might be hard for those born into a digital age to imagine the experience of seeing these
- 3:54massive starships sailing overhead and onto the screen.
- 3:58Don't tell me they were little models and clever lighting.
- 4:01For me, they were the first time that I'd ever seen live action managed to transport the
- 4:06audience somewhere else and believe it real for the duration of the film.
- 4:12The storytelling was excellent in so many ways, with good use of humour to undercut getting
- 4:17too self-important.
- 4:19Here we come to number 8.
- 4:21Princess Leia.
- 4:22From the original posters you would think that she would be the sexy damsel in the tower
- 4:26to be saved by the brave Prince Skywalker.
- 4:29Yet, what does she do and she first meets her rescuers?
- 4:33She tells them that they are short and complains about the lack of planning in the rescue.
- 4:38From the outset, she is a political mover and shaker of the trio, knowing the politics
- 4:43that Luke doesn't understand and hand solo despises.
- 4:47She is the serious adult leader, not a pretty piece of armed candy, though it was a dip
- 4:53in the series when she was used just like that as what looks like a sex slave to jab
- 4:58at the hut in the third film.
- 5:00Okay, teenage boys might have enjoyed the fantasy, but to us teen girls it was a letdown at
- 5:05the time.
- 5:06At least she gets to strangle the bad guy and go back to her white robes.
- 5:11RIP Carrie Fisher, you were a trailblazer.
- 5:16So now to number 7.
- 5:18From princesses I'm turning to princes.
- 5:22Please allow room on this list for the baddest bad guy of them all.
- 5:25No, not Voldemort or Sauron, but Lucifer, the prince of darkness.
- 5:31I'm talking here about his fictional appearances as opposed to religious.
- 5:36You could argue that he appears first in Marlowe's Faust at 1604, but there he is the
- 5:42tempter Mephistopheles rather than the scene stealing main character.
- 5:47The most famous incarnation of this idea is Milton Satan from back in 1667.
- 5:54He is the archetype of brooding hero.
- 5:58He says, which way I fly is hell, myself am hell, and in the lowest deep a lower deep,
- 6:06still threatening to devour me, opens wide to which the hell I suffer seems a heaven.
- 6:12The anti-heroes of Marvel and DC, even a hero like Batman, have taken a page out of
- 6:18this book.
- 6:19His infernal energy threatens to destabilise the conventional religious messages of
- 6:24paradise lost, tempting us to root for the bad guy, just a little.
- 6:29That's why William Blake in the early 19th century said,
- 6:32The reason Milton wrote in fetters when he wrote of angels and god, and at liberty,
- 6:38when of devils and hell, is because he was a true poet and of the devil's party without
- 6:43knowing it.
- 6:45Others have borrowed this energy for their own fallen angels.
- 6:48He glimmers in Frankenstein's creature, the gentleman vampires of Brahms Stoker and
- 6:53Successors, even Darth Vader as Anakin Skywalker owes much to the fallen angel story arc.
- 7:01Most recently he has appeared in a more comedic take on the concept, such as in Neil
- 7:05Geiman and Terry Pratchett's Good Omen's, and the TV series Lucifer, which ran from 2016
- 7:11to 2021 starring Tom Ellis, which is based on the DC comic character.
- 7:18Coming in at number 6 is a role from another tradition, Japan.
- 7:23One of the world's oldest systems of monarchy, it is not surprising to find princes and princesses
- 7:27cropping up in Japanese culture.
- 7:29I've picked on an unconventional role for this one, Princess Mononoki, a film from the
- 7:35animation powerhouse Studio Ghibli, and made in 1997.
- 7:41San is not a conventional lady, she was raised by walls and represents the forest fighting
- 7:47back.
- 7:48She is a warrior and forced to be reckoned with.
- 7:51The journey is that of a hater of humankind, to finding love for one among them.
- 7:56The prince Ashitaka, they eventually fight together to break a curse and bring healing
- 8:02to their communities.
- 8:04She is even less conventional than Mulan, having more in spirit to do with Mogli, that's
- 8:09the original jungle book version, not the Disney one, able to unleash the forces of
- 8:14the wild.
- 8:15It is as well to remember that not all fancy royals living castles.
- 8:21It would not be fair to let this list be dominated by movie versions of royals, so I would
- 8:26thought I would bring in a Dutch classic by Paul Beagle, the king of the copper mountains,
- 8:32written in 1964, as my number five.
- 8:36It is a lovely children's storybook with connected tales told by different animal characters, who
- 8:42were trying to keep the eponymous king alive while his doctor goes in search of a cure
- 8:46for his heart condition.
- 8:48Why is it worthy of a place on the list?
- 8:51The king offers a different kind of leadership, loving, patient, welcoming to characters and
- 8:57creatures as diverse as bees and a dragon.
- 9:00It really is extremely charming and highly recommended if you are looking for a non-militaristic
- 9:05king to share with your children.
- 9:08It reminds me also of the little gem of an animation called the King's Beard, made
- 9:13in 2002, written by Tony Collingwood, where, as the title suggests, the monarch's facial
- 9:20hair is the problem for the quester to solve.
- 9:23Unconventional and fun, it had my children singing the title song for years.
- 9:27Let's remember that not all fantasy kings and queens have to be sword fighting heroes.
- 9:32There are other kinds of courage and bravery.
- 9:36So now to my number four.
- 9:39We are remaining in unconventional territory for our fourth pick.
- 9:42The Princess Bride by S. Morgan Stern, or really William Goldman, a 1973 novel, as well
- 9:51as we should mention the film, from 1987, adapted by William Goldman.
- 9:57I suspect many of us can quote lines from this cult film, but what about the Princess herself?
- 10:02Buttercup is the heart of the story and not at all royal.
- 10:06She is only a Princess bride because Prince Humberdink wants to marry her, and she only agrees
- 10:11because she believes her true love is dead.
- 10:14In some ways she is the archetypal Princess, beautiful and needs a lot of saving, but
- 10:19that is the point.
- 10:21The story takes the archetypes and then has ridiculous fun with them, spoofing the things
- 10:25it loves, which is a fairy tale romance.
- 10:29And of course the story itself is a story within a story.
- 10:32The reading of it is hilarious as the commentator realises he was remembered only the good parts
- 10:38and left out all the commentary and politics.
- 10:41So Buttercup doesn't become a royal, she rides off into the sunset with Wesley.
- 10:45Oh well, so we hope, even here the happy ending is undercut, but she is a wonderful fan
- 10:51to see almost Princess.
- 10:55Now we arrive at the top three.
- 10:57The list would be instantly rejected if it did not find a place for King Arthur.
- 11:02The most enduring are fantasy kings.
- 11:04From the early medieval versions of this mythic King, via Mallory, the Victorian, such as
- 11:09Tennyson, to T.H. White's once and future King, and even the bromance version in the BBC
- 11:14Merlin, Arthur keeps coming back.
- 11:17If you want a discussion of the Arthur legend, do listen to Mythmaker's Season 2, 30th of
- 11:22May, where Dr. Gabriel Shenkenai discuss the literary appearances of Arthur.
- 11:28Do you have a favourite?
- 11:30Arthur himself is usually the royal hub around which the other stories revolve, but I did
- 11:34enjoy his appearance in Merlin, because you saw the friendship grow with the young Merlin,
- 11:40full of banter and adventure.
- 11:42The young Arthur, that's walt, in T.H. White, is also very relatable, taking his training
- 11:47from an eccentric wizard who is growing backwards, like Benjamin Button.
- 11:52This is no Scorum experience, but being transformed into birds and fish to understand
- 11:57the world around him.
- 11:59Arthur represents an ideal of chivalry in a time that never really existed, but is alive
- 12:04and well in fancy worlds.
- 12:07Fancy monarchs wouldn't be the same without him.
- 12:10I debated with myself about first and second place, and decided in the end to rank them
- 12:15by what I once thought was the epitome of kingship, and what I now think might be best.
- 12:21As a child I loved the idea of going into a world where, of course, I would be a king
- 12:26or queen.
- 12:27So at number two, enter Peter, Susan, Edmund, and Lucy Pevansy, once a king or queen of
- 12:34Narnia, always a king or queen of Narnia.
- 12:38They are given their titles by the son of the Emperor over the seas, Aslan, as he is
- 12:42the supreme king in C.S. Lewis's world, and what a king he is, a bane and fur to stroke,
- 12:50a roar that echoes across the land, a breath that can undo evil spells.
- 12:56To be with him is like playing with a thunder storm, or playing with a kitten, according
- 13:00to Lucy.
- 13:01Now, I might wonder why one of the very competent beasts couldn't have sat on the thrones
- 13:06at Care Paravelle, but the fantasy felt right to the eight-year-old who would be playing
- 13:10dressing-up princesses.
- 13:13I imagine Lewis was reflecting on the privilege we have as sons of Adam and daughters of
- 13:17Eve, made in God's image, but still it is a powerful make-believe, and one that is
- 13:21hard to beat.
- 13:23Like any good fantasy, it includes its own end.
- 13:26You come back through the wardrobe from your time as kings and queens to resume ordinary
- 13:30life, but you must keep the Narnian experience alive in your heart so that you act with
- 13:35the values you learned there.
- 13:38Who gets to be number one?
- 13:40No surprises when the Oxford Centre for Fantasy, which is dedicated to Tolkien, that we pick
- 13:45one of his kings and queens.
- 13:48He is not blinkered about the corruption that monarchical power can bring.
- 13:52The ring-race will once lords and kings, but he does give us one perfect king, Aragon.
- 13:59He is the Renaissance ideal of a monarch, learned, cultured, able to fight, fair and just.
- 14:05I think though that for me he makes the spot because he has a sense of humour and doesn't
- 14:10grow too big for his boots.
- 14:12He names his house Tell Conta, which means Strider in Kenya, the name by which he was known
- 14:18somewhat slightly in the north.
- 14:21These qualities were well brought out by Vigo Mortison in his portrayal of this hero king
- 14:26in Peter Jackson's trilogy.
- 14:28Vigo made up his own tunes and sang them to Tolkien's words in honour of the character,
- 14:33something those who have the extended edition will remember.
- 14:37But perhaps above all, Aragon shows the quality of friendship or fellowship.
- 14:42In the appendices we read that it is Mary and Pippin who lie beside him on his deathbed
- 14:47on little beds of their own.
- 14:49He remembered that little folk even to the end of his glorious days.
- 14:53Maybe that is the ultimate fantasy, that there would be such a perfect leader.
- 14:58Knowing real-life characters are more likely to be flawed, I think we should probably stick
- 15:03with democracy and constitutional monarchies, like Lisbon II, rather than hope to find Aragon's
- 15:09to rule us all.
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