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Episode 17: Looking ahead to the NCAA tournament with new Minnesota State coach Shari Dickerman · The PodKaz: USCHO Women's Hockey

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  Usc cho dot com. Hi everyone, and welcome to the podcast. I'm
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  Todd Maleski here with Nicole Hasey, and we are here to look back at
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  championship games in the conferences and also look ahead to the NCAA tournament, which
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  starts Thursday night. We've got the Patty Casmi Award top three finalists being announced
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  on Wednesday. It's a it's an eventful week going on here, starting with
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  looking back to Saturday, four conference championship games happened, the four automatic bids
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  that were left to be added to Penn State coming in. I guess,
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  big picture, Nicole, what's what do you want to look at first?
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  There? When you when you look at the whole you know, Saturday to
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  where we are now, and really even going back farther than that, for
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  the hockey semis and the two leagues that had semi finals on Friday, What's
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  what's the big takeaway for you? Well? I was surprised that Colgate won
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  so convincingly in both of their games. I shouldn't say that I was surprised
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  that that Cornell and Clerkson were beaten so convincingly by by Colgate, So not
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  to say that I didn't think Coolgate could win those, but I just I
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  thought that those games would be closer, and I thought there was a little
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  bit more of a toss up who would come out of the tournament. That
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  tournament, the ECC tournament on top. But you know, Colgate got their
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  their four one win over Colgate and then and then had the three to zero
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  win over Clarkson. Both games featured late goals. There were a lot of
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  these games this weekend that we were scoreless or very close until the very end
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  and then and sort of pull away. So that was just interesting. I
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  I didn't the ECC hit. You know, they they won the regular season
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  by that half point, Like it's been so close there that I didn't expect
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  sort of one team to run away with the weekend. And then you know,
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  the Wisconsin winning six to three over Ohio State for the WHA Championship.
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  I don't think any of us expected that high of a score. It was
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  just, yeah, it was an interesting game from Ohio State. I think
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  you know that is that it's gonna be a heck of a motivator. It
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  was very interesting. In the post game, Nadine Masrel kind of the first
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  thing she said was she hopes this pisses her team off and motivates them.
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  And then someone, one of the reporters asked the team the two players that
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  were there, like, oh, well, are you pissed off? And
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  I don't know that they knew what to stay and so it was interesting,
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  I thought, I mean, I feel like the answer is like absolutely yes,
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  and generally like her team tends to match Nadine's fiery nuts, but in
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  the moment they weren't. So I don't know if that was just a matter
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  of being upset about the loss and things like that, But I do you
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  think that she will definitely use this as a motivator. And I think,
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  you know, generally like they have done very well at Ohio State over the
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  past couple of years, is like sort of pitting themselves as underdogs like that's
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  it's a motivational factor for them. And so I do think that that they
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  will use this very well to push themselves through the NCAA tournament. But yeah,
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  that was a very different and interesting, you know, interesting game the
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  Wisconsin Ohio State Final. Iming Wisconsin was up five to one at the end
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  of the second Hannahbilka got two goals back and in the third and I feel
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  like, you know, with a little bit more time that would have been
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  needed to be a little scarier for the Badgers, but was uh was the
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  most complete game the Badgers had played. I think, you know, they
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  sort of did everything they wanted to and in Ohio State had some mental lapses
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  and and and sort of nothing came together for them in that way that Wisconsin
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  everything sort of did come together for so uh. Now we're at the point
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  where, you know, those two have played five times and and if the
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  if the NCAA tournament goes chalco like, they'll meet each other in the in
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  the national championship game for the sixth time. And at this but I don't
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  know that anybody knows what's going to happen. It feels like a coin toss.
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  But you know, congratulations to stone Hill needed over time to beat Franklin
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  Pierce, because goodness, Franklin Pierce likes to come on late in those games.
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  Those things were the cardi cardi at kids last few weeks. But you
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  know, stone Hill, second years a program, first year coach, like
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  that, what an amazing accomplishment for them. Yeah, We're going to take
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  a spin through all these conference championship games, and later on in the show,
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  we have new Minnesota state coach Sherry Dickerman joining us. She's gonna talk
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  about the transition from associate head coach to head coach there, but also give
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  us her thoughts on what's ahead in the NCAA tournament. But to get back
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  to the Wisconsin Ohio State game six, who is a final. We had
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  two goals and two assists for both Casey O'Brien and Laila Edwards in that one.
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  Badgers led six to one. You said five one after two, which
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  it was a six to one early in the third. Just a crazy number
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  thing. You know, No one scored six out Ohio State all season.
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  Minnesota got five, I believe, and lost this a six to five game,
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  and so it was. It was pretty stunning from that respect, but
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  also from the point that Wisconsin was this close to not even being there because
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  they were trailing Minnesota with ten seconds ago in the semi final, Casey O'Brien
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  scores from behind the net to tie that one. The Badgers went in an
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  overtime thanks to a Lacey Eden goal, and they've got the shorter turnaround of
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  the two teams between the semi final and the championship game. You would imagine
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  there was some adrenaline going there from Wisconsin beating Minnesota on at ritter, having
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  to turn that, yes, right, having to turn that around into a
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  championship game against a team that's been you know, that's they've been neck and
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  neck with over the last couple of seasons. We know, Wisconsin Minnesota,
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  you know, the historical rival but Wisconsin and Ohio State over the last couple
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  of seasons has been the the number one, number two rivalry. Right,
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  So to see Wisconsin turn that around and open up a three nothing lead and
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  carrying on from there, it was I don't think anyone expected to see the
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  way that that played out. You could see either team winning that game,
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  just not in the way that that one actually occurred. Yeah, you know,
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  years ago, someone said to me that, like, Mark Johnson just
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  has a knack for getting his team ready for this time of year. And
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  I know that sounds like really simple, but like, I think there's a
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  lot more that goes into that. And I don't know if there's like an
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  easy way to ask Mark about it or anything like that, but just the
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  way that the Badgers, you know, peek at the right time and sort
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  of I feel like the last couple of weeks have played sort of what their
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  roster promised they might be able to play like and when you first looked at
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  the note the players that were on this team, and it's just sort of
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  amazing that like, you know, same thing lesher when they weren't even you
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  know, one of the top rank squads. Just the way that he prepares
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  his team to be at their very best when it comes to be the end
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  of February and early March is quite remarkable and might just be sort of a
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  nebulous, sort of ephemero thing you can't put your finger on, but it's
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  just just something that he does really well and year after year after year,
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  and you know, to culminate, like you said, in that WHA championship
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  game that just was unexpected and dominant in a way that they really hadn't been
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  for much of the season, or hadn't been for like a full sixty minutes
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  in that way. And like Friday after the semi final, Mark was worried
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  about that turnaround time, like he wanted his students out of that postgame interview
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  and to go ahead and to recovery you know, he's usually very conscious of
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  what time that second game is in a weekend series and and how his team's
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  going to be ready, and the Batters have not been great at like sometimes
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  they start slow, and so yeah, I think there were a lot of
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  reasons to think that that game wouldn't go that way. So yeah, definitely
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  definitely a surprise, but fun hockey to watch. The two of the three
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  games in the Wahn tournament were just really good hockey to watch. Yeah,
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  there was, I mean, there was a lot of good hockey, let's
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  be honest, over the weekend. I mean I'm thinking of specifically that the
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  two championship games last weekend that determine which teams were going to make the NCAA
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  Tournament were in Hockey East and newh and they both went to overtime, and
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  they're both just like these super dramatic situations where you know one team is going
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  to be playing next weekend and then the other team's packing things up, and
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  that seeing Yukon win one nothing over Northeastern and stone Hill win three two over
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  Franklin Pierce both to get into the field, you could you could see,
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  you know, as a conference championship that means some but you could see from
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  them and you could see on the other side of the team that lost.
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  You know what it meant, what the emotional toll was on both sides of
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  that, just from the reactions on the ice and I it was a a
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  little bit even more dramatic with the Yukon win because then it got reviewed and
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  it kept the review kept going and going and going, and at one point
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  you're thinking, the directerees get lost somewhere off the ice. I don't know
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  where they're coming back. Did they leave? What's going on here? Megan
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  woo Woodworth's goal survives that review on a direction or redirection in front of the
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  net and ends Northeastern's run of six straight Hockey East Playoff titles, despite fifty
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  one saved from Gwyneth Phillips a remarkable effort there in goal. Tia Chan for
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  Yukon. Thirty eight saves for the shutout are really uh, you know,
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  from watching that that game, it was just building up and building and building,
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  and the longer it went without anyone scoring, it just felt like,
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  you know that the sticks are getting gripped a little bit tighter there. Uh,
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  And and it went to overtime and Yukon was the one to pull it
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  out in the end. So uh, congrats to them their first ever win,
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  first ever nca BID, first ever conference tournament. When so, like
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  you said that, just the gravity of it you could see from the players
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  and sort of the release this was I felt like this was the game that
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  wouldn't end. I had it on in the morning and then had to leave
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  to get to the rink in Minneapolis, so I had the video on so
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  I could listen to the audio through my my car, and then I'm walking
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  in holding like watching it on my on my phone, So walking from the
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  parking garage and to rinnter and like getting my media and stuff, and I'm
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  like holding the phone and I was like, oh, this is like,
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  this is me in a nutshell. But it was just like it felt like,
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  as you said, it was building it it could happen any second.
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  So I really wanted to have that that overtime on and see how how it
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  was going to play out. But yeah, like I it tells you the
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  two teams were supposed to be there, right, like the sort of the
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  things played out the way that they should, and yeah, it was it
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  was just a really good fun game. I mean it, it delivered on
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  the drama, right mm hmm, it certainly did. And so did that
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  the and knew how the Stonehill three Franklin Peirs two overtime game Bailey Feenie with
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  the power play goal and overtime and if they scored on a too many players
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  penalty, which if it sounds familiar because stone Hill also won a semifinal game
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  against st ann Salmon overtime during a power play on a too many players call
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  on st Anselm. So that's a curious way to go back to back with
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  overtime wins. Hey, uh, whatever it takes in the playoffs, and
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  Stonehill got that done. You mentioned second year of the program. Uh,
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  to be now in the NCAA tournament, it's uh, it's capturing a little
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  bit of attension up in the in the Northeast and in Massachusetts, and and
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  I think that's that's really important for them as a program to have some of
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  that, uh, some of those intangibles, the things you get out of
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  winning a championship and out of appearing in the NCAA tournament. To have those
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  in the second year of your program just kind of maybe speeds up the timeline
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  a little bit. Yeah, absolutely, you know, the such a tough
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  situation for them, right to have been that brand new squad last year and
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  then then have their coach leave. And I don't think anyone you know,
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  can blame Tara for when the Boston you option opened up like that's where she
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  was. She went and played and so like. But to be in a
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  second year with your second coach, it is just it's a tough situation.
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  And knew how it has been, like Lau went out and dominated like this.
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  It's just such an probable situation for Stonewihill to have even been in that
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  final game, much less to have won it and earned the NCAA bit.
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  But I mean that's what makes it fun. And as I've always sad,
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  team cut chaos like I'm all for it, but the just the pure joy
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  of them and you know, they did a gatorade dump on their coach on
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  the ice, and it just I think it was one of those nobody could
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  have ever imagined it. I think, you know, they have all sort
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  of dreamed of it, but the fact that it actually came to fruition,
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  you could just kind of see that on everybody's face. So just kind of
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  a joy to be able to see and partake in just a little bit,
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  you know. Yep, and then ECAC that was the last game of Saturday,
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  So that was the last, you know, piece of the puzzle.
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  We knew pretty much everything else that was going to be the one through eleven
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  in the the order of the NCAA tournament, except for it was you know,
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  three and four were going to be Clarkson and Colgate or Colgate and Clarkson
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  depending on who won that game. And it was Colgate three nothing, like
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  you mentioned before, Michelle Plumbo, where a breakaway goal to put Colgate ahead.
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  They added two empty netters. Kaylie Osborne thirty saves for the shutout,
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  and you know shutouts and championship games. You know, whether it's one nothing
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  or three nothing, I mean that's or like we saw last season in the
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  National Championship game, that means it feels like it means a little bit more
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  when you're able to to celebrate like that with a championship in a shutout.
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  So a pretty cool thing for Coligate on home ice to take the ECAC championship
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  with with the shutout winning and I guess that half point did matter because you
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  know, Colgate playing at home. If if Clarkson comes out ahead, it's
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  it's it's at Clarkson. So maybe that that had a little bit to do
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  with it. Then the points in the regular season, I guess matter in
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  the postseason two, yeah, And I just want to like shout out Michelle
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  michellek because she she kept Clarkson in that game, like that was one O
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  game until very late, and that was almost entirely due to myself Sechnik.
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  I'm so sorry I keep tripping over it, but she has. She just
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  she's had an amazing year all year long and and really came up big for
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  them, Like she she made that a game that she you know, coaches
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  always say like you just want your goalie to give your team a chance to
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  win, and she absolutely did that, Like one different bounce and Clerkston could
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  have tied that up and forced overtime. So just a huge showing from her.
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  Thirty eight saves. Just she was all over the place covering for some
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  mental lapses and some turnovers and things, and she she'd be the goalie I'd
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  be most scared to face heading into the postseason. At this point, I
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  think, Yeah, then we got the Sunday which was Selection Sunday, the
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  show where the bracket was revealed, and it was the bracket that you know,
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  anyone could have put together, I guess from ranking teams one through eleven
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  and where they would go in the bracket. The committee didn't didn't make any
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  alterations anything went with the uh straight brat bracket integrity, which you know means
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  you know they had We were talking last week with Jeremy Gibson, the chair
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  of the committee, and he kind of left us with a couple of what
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  felt like to me opportunities for the committee to say, look, this team
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  can be closer at the home, so we're going to move them closer to
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  home. It sure felt like some breadcrumbs, didn't it. That's kind of
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  what I took out of it, right, which I had made the argument
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  in writing that you could take the the Minnesota Luke Yukon matchup, which would
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  have gone to Ohio State and that's where it did end up going, and
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  moved that to Madison and keep Duluth closer to home and avoid a flight there,
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  while then switching Saint Lawrence at Penn State Pence to then they would play
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  at Ohio State Penn State wouldn't have to fly to Ohio State. They can
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  drive there, it's under the mileage limit. But they went with the the
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  you know how the bracket should shake out by number of order, and so
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  that's that tells you that, you know that that seems like a priority for
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  them, when now that I believe it's two years in a row, now
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  that they went one through eleven in the bracket, and you know, instead
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  of trying to save some money somewhere, which is always one of those things
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  that you know that's financial viability is one of the things that's in the book,
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  so a lot in the past. In the past, definitely when it
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  was a priority to eliminate flight, the words bracket integrity did not appear anywhere
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  in the selection committee's instructions, and saving flights did. And so yeah,
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  so it feels like now we're in an era of bracket integrity for the women's
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  tournament. And I think that's your lips to whomever's ears, like, I
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  hope that it's not a coincidence. I hope that it is a precedent.
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  I am skeptical until we see more. This is the optimistic. Yeah,
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  this is the thing though, that the committee changes year to year, right,
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  you get different people on it, and so there's different thoughts on how
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  it should work. But I like to think anyway that they operate on precedent.
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  So we've now set up that unless there's some really compelling reason to move
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  a team, it might just stick with with what the numbers give them.
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  Just like it's so refreshing, Like one of the things that like one of
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  the sort of my things that I've talked about year of two years, like
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  how if you want fans, if you want other people to take the sports
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  seriously, like you have to do it first you being the NCAA. And
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  there have just been times when like being serious has not been a priority,
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  Like it just it's just not been you know, it's been about saving those
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  flights or like create matchups, and like you know, there were conspiracy theories
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  about like what matchups we're gonna get changed, and it's just like this is
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  this is why people don't take you guys seriously, Like this is why there
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  people have these you know, these thoughts and assume the worst about what the
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  selection selection Committee is gonna do. Like they didn't, they didn't create those
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  out of thin air, like things happened year after year that made people be
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  like, what the heck's going on? And so it's just it's really nice
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  to see it is nice for the players and for the teams and for the
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  work that they put in for so many months out of the year that like
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  that matters, and that we're going with bracket integrity and where we you know,
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  sharpened the numbers and changed it to NPI, so that's even better.
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  Use it, like, thank goodness, we're using it. Yeah, I
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  don't know, I just it's a I was disappointed in the selection show in
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  the way that they explained things, and they sort of were like calling teams
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  six, seven, and eight that there needs to be a deciding like everybody
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  needs to use the same terminology, so like they only seeded teams one through
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  five and then just called the others, but like you know, calling I
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  think they called und the sixth sixth team and like weren't clear about like what
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  seeds would end up playing. Weird because again it's not a clear bracket.
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  I mean, I think with eleven teams it's super confusing and also hilarious to
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  me that during this selection show, the very first thing they did was try
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  to justify the eleven team bracket. See it's eleven because it's the percentage of
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  teams, just like on the men's side. It was pretty much the first
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  thing said during the selection show, which made me laugh. But just I
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  hope that people that aren't super familiar with how things line up and like what
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  a bracket should look like, and like that six should play eleven at the
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  you know, at this seed or whatever understood based on the sort of weird
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  numbers that the they were using during that selection show and be like this is
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  the seventh team and this is like, guys, yeah, there's there's something
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  difficult about having to try to explain how an eleven team bracket works. Just
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  read just how right it it's then the graphics they put out have been like,
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  have not been super clear. I just I feel like that's a thing
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  that like somebody somewhere needs to spend some time on in the marketing department at
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  the NCAA or something, because it they need a clear bracket with the layout
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  so like what people imagine, like the you know, basketball bracket to look
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  like that's what people are used to seeing, and we're not setting it up
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  in a way that I think is clear to people about like what team we're
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  saying it followed pair wise, and I don't think that they aptly described that
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  it followed pair wise and that these are the matchups that should have been you
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  know what I'm saying. Yeah, I think the I can see why they
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  wouldn't necessarily want to assign numbers to anyone but the top five because the top
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  five are in their spots and that the bottom six or not, you know,
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  the next six can move from the way the committee you know, has
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  the latitude to change matchups in those games, but it's the way that it
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  was announced they gave them them. Sure. Yeah, so so that you
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  know, Okay d Luth was actually the eighth overall seed if you want to
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  look at it that way. That's not how that would necessarily presented. And
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  that's you know, but they they could have, you know, they would
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  have Would they still have been the eighth seed had they moved that game to
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  Wisconsin where they're then playing the two seed? Would they they weren't aren't really
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  the seventh seed, but because that's not where they were in the pairwis.
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  Yeah, So it gets into some semantics about well, over are their overall
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  seeds and and yes, honestly there are, but you know this is this
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  is I mean I understood that they went through pairwise and I knew what all
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  the matchups were going to be, and I still found it confusing. That's
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  that's my point. So if it, like if the way that it was
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  presented was problematic to us who have dissected this to bik, How's come home,
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  I just think like there needs to be some worked on explaining how this
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  bracket is gonna look and why what teams are where as opposed to saying like
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  the number six team is Minnesota Duluth, which is I'm pretty sure what they
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  said. So yeah, I just you know, the selection show overall was
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  it was a struggle that there was a lot of mispronunciation of names, which
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  I just don't think, like, I just we need to get past that.
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  It's one thing for you know, trip over it. But there were
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  several players just the completely wrong name was used. Reagan Kirk's name was said
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  wrong, Kristenson's name was said wrong. So I just I would we're gonna
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  put this on TV and we're going to make a production of a selection show,
• 23:41
  then it needs to be given the seriousness and the attention to detail that
• 23:48
  it just didn't have. Well that's the uh. I think one of the
• 23:55
  developing things with women's hockey is as it gets more attention, as it gets
• 23:59
  more product or as it gets more attention, it should get more production value.
• 24:03
  And that's like you said, as as it develops, I think that
• 24:11
  that has a chance to come along over the next few years. Uh.
• 24:15
  You know, put the people in place and and give them the uh,
• 24:19
  the materials and and hope it comes out. Right. I guess that's what
• 24:22
  it comes down to. Yeah, I mean, I know I'm I'm critical,
• 24:26
  and it's because I care, right, Like, I know I should
• 24:30
  be more. I should be thankful that we got you know, it was
• 24:32
  on TV and you know, led into by Surfing Dogs. But I just
• 24:37
  awesome, which was awesome and followed up by I believe Dodgeball. It was.
• 24:41
  It's been a pocho. But I just just meet pronunciation of player names.
• 24:48
  It's just like it should be a non negotiable And again, like if
• 24:51
  I thought it was just a trip up, obviously I keep tripping over Michelle
• 24:55
  to such next name. But it wasn't. It was it was full on
• 24:59
  using the wrong name for people, and so I just I'm a big stickler
• 25:03
  for that. I just feel like, particularly because the bracket did go exactly
• 25:07
  as we expected, there were no surprises, like you should be able to
• 25:11
  talk about every one of those teams, Like we knew what was gonna happen
• 25:15
  with Ohio State, we knew they were going to be the one seed.
• 25:17
  We know that Reagan Kirk is their goalie, Like you got to be able
• 25:19
  to say your name, yep. And if you want to see the bracket,
• 25:26
  we have it on us c h O dot com slash n c a
• 25:29
  A. You can get to it from that page. Also, make sure
• 25:32
  you check out all of Nichole's writing from over the weekend on us c ho
• 25:36
  dot com slash do you Want Women? You can get to all that from
• 25:40
  the the menu on the site. And that's more to come, I know,
• 25:47
  I know from from your perspective, Nicole, in terms of of everything
• 25:52
  that's that's that's coming on the site. Yeah, I mean, I will
• 25:56
  be in Madison on Thursday for the the game there with Saint Lawrence and Penn
• 26:00
  State, and then we will probably have some tablets set up while we're streaming
• 26:07
  all the other games that we can pay attention to, but you know I'll
• 26:11
  be covering that well. Heading to New Hampshire next week Wednesday, so we'll
• 26:15
  be there for media day lots coming up and cover as much as we can
• 26:18
  and follow along on Twitter because I you know, we'll be tweeting as much
• 26:22
  as I can and sharing as much information that's out there. So yeah,
• 26:26
  keep keep logging in and checking checking the website because we're I'm sure trying.
• 26:33
  When we come back on the podcast, Sherry Dicker, and the new coach
• 26:36
  at Minnesota State, joins us to talk about taking over the Mavericks and looking
• 26:41
  ahead to the NCAA tournament with some insight from the coaching perspective, So stay
• 26:45
  with us. Hi, everybody, welcome back to the podcast. I'm call
• 26:56
  Hazy. He's Todd Maleski, and we are supered to have Brandon newly named
• 27:03
  Minnesota State man Cato head coach Ery Differ with us today. Thanks so much
• 27:07
  for coming, Sherry, thanks for having me so congrats on the new job.
• 27:12
  It's really you know, you're just kind of moving offices a little bit.
• 27:15
  I guess you've been at Minnesota State for fifteen years as an assistant coach.
• 27:19
  Is that right? In addition to the four years you played there,
• 27:25
  Can you just express what what this opportunity means to you. Yeah, when
• 27:30
  I saw a couple of the graphics they put out yesterday, I was like,
• 27:33
  wow, I've been around a little while. I've been with in you
• 27:41
  know, some capacity, a lot of our our alums as either their coach
• 27:45
  or their teammate. It's it's a little surreal. I heard from all four
• 27:51
  of I mean, obviously John was here and I talked to him quite a
• 27:55
  bit yesterday, you know, appreciate all the work he did here and reminding
• 28:00
  him like the place is so much better off than than how you found it,
• 28:03
  and truly believe that. But I heard from Todd Carroll, who recruited
• 28:08
  me to play here, our first head coach, and and then after my
• 28:14
  first year he was let go. And and Jeff Bisner texted me yesterday afternoon
• 28:18
  like he kinda was was kind of the coach that gave me the confidence of
• 28:23
  play in the league. He he you know, I think I try to
• 28:27
  do some of the things he did just based on hey, you got this,
• 28:30
  you can play. I mean he told me I could play, so
• 28:33
  I was like, Okay, I must be able to play in this league.
• 28:36
  You know, he's confident me, so it's confident myself, and I
• 28:37
  think that's huge one. When your coach believes in you, that it's a
• 28:41
  lot easier to play. Just go out there and do your thing. So,
• 28:45
  uh, he texted me. Yesterday afternoon, I talked to coach Eric
• 28:48
  Means, who who brought me on as a an assistant after just one year
• 28:52
  over at Shaddock. You know, I think that's sometimes a risky move,
• 28:55
  bringing bringing someone young when you're you're new to the women's side at the time,
• 29:00
  but he brought me as an alum and I'm really appreciative to that.
• 29:04
  And then so it's kind of kind of crazy, like I've played for two
• 29:10
  of the coaches, coached with two and now here i am, you know,
• 29:14
  twenty four years after I committed this is where I want to play college
• 29:18
  hockey. Now I'm still here. That was gonna be kind of a four
• 29:21
  year thing, go to man Cato for four years and then I'll move on
• 29:25
  with life. But it's a pretty incredible place for me and I've had a
• 29:30
  lot of great experiences here, so really grateful to still be able to be
• 29:34
  here and call this my job. I guess. Yeah, you mentioned some
• 29:41
  of the stats. I pulled this one out and tweeted about it because I
• 29:44
  thought it was crazy. You have played with her coached one hundred and seventy
• 29:47
  four women's players from Minnesota State current reformer student athletes, which is eighty two
• 29:52
  percent of the players since the program's inception. Yeah, it's a lot a
• 30:00
  lot of people. I actually heard from a few. I'm like, whoa
• 30:03
  last from the past, Like I can't even remember what what years they played
• 30:07
  here, but you know, a couple of players that I had at Shaddock,
• 30:11
  they were like, Kathleen Rogan texted me, I haven't heard her from
• 30:14
  her in a long time, and it was kind of like, oh,
• 30:17
  all right. Like hearing from kind of players I haven't heard from follow them
• 30:21
  on social media, so that's always fun to kind of see where they're at
• 30:23
  in life. And then once in a while I'm like, wow, like
• 30:27
  wait, what she's married, her kids? How old? How does this
• 30:30
  work out? Doesn't make it, But it's been it's been a pretty surreal
• 30:36
  experience. Have been pretty fun. The last you know, thirty six hours
• 30:38
  or whatever it's been, I was thinking a little bit after I saw the
• 30:44
  news on Monday about how this might be kind of a development in the way
• 30:49
  coaching goes in women's hoki, specifically the WWHA where players who came up playing
• 30:56
  in the WHA later become head coachescha and this, you know, it's something
• 31:02
  that I think we'll be seeing more of down the road. How much of
• 31:06
  that have you thought of and how much of your playing time in the w
• 31:10
  c h A has been important to you in thinking of building your your coaching
• 31:15
  career. Obviously it's been a long journey in that, but how much of
• 31:19
  that was you know, just foundational to to to what you are now?
• 31:23
  I guess obviously, Like we've been around the league for uh for I mean
• 31:30
  personally had some some rough years as as a goaltender in this league early on
• 31:33
  in my career. I mean, that would be a fun stat to look
• 31:37
  at, like how many players in the w c h a's first career goal
• 31:41
  was scored on me? Or I know I'm in a lot of says,
• 31:44
  but I know, I know I gave up plenty of goals. Sometimes I
• 31:47
  joke with Amber Frickland, coach at but Midgie State, like, oh,
• 31:51
  you're I think she might be maybe still their all time leading scorer. And
• 31:55
  I'm like, you can thank me for plenty of those points and plenty of
• 31:57
  times she came down on away and gave me the how she going. So
• 32:01
  some of some of those early days in the WHA, some of the players,
• 32:07
  like a lot of people want to compare, you know, like it's
• 32:08
  better now or it is better then, But there are elite players then,
• 32:14
  and there's obviously elite players now. I mean, it's watching the product on
• 32:19
  the ice that the final face off was like wow, like did she really
• 32:23
  just pull that playoff? Did? I mean some of the goals that are
• 32:27
  scored, You're like, that's just disgusting. That should be I possible,
• 32:30
  But people are making plays and it's so fun to watch. But you know,
• 32:36
  they've been superstars all the way through in their own right. I just
• 32:38
  think that the parody's growing, obviously, And like top to bottom, there's
• 32:45
  not some teams you don't know who's their top line and who's their third or
• 32:49
  fourth line because there's so much depth and so much skill top top to bottom.
• 32:52
  So it's it's been awesome to see the development and it's fun to see
• 32:58
  people I played against. Now you know, we're coaching and we're all grown
• 33:01
  up in adults, but still, you know, get to go to the
• 33:07
  rink every day and and be around hockey and and hockey's kind of maybe a
• 33:12
  small, small community, but it's it's been awesome and so many great people
• 33:15
  and wouldn't be anywhere else I'd rather be or spend in my days than at
• 33:21
  the rink, that's for sure. Did you plan to go into coaching right?
• 33:24
  Was that was that something you wanted to do or is it like you
• 33:28
  kind of said, like, you know, I came here after college and
• 33:30
  then I'm still here, Like is it just sort of a serendipitous that's how
• 33:34
  it worked out? I guess I. I mean, my personality is pretty
• 33:38
  laid back and what's meant to be will be. I mean, I committed
• 33:43
  to college at that time it was different, but I was it was probably
• 33:47
  April of my senior year that you know, it's I'm going to have an
• 33:52
  opportunity to play, Like I was maybe gonna go play with my sister at
• 33:54
  Saint Ben's. She was going to be a senior at a better freshman and
• 33:58
  then I was like, you know what, let me let me, try
• 34:00
  d one. I can always transfer out. Like she had played on that
• 34:04
  inaugural university Minnesota team with some high end players. She was kind of a
• 34:09
  fourth liner and she just wanted, you know, I saw what was coming
• 34:13
  in and want more opportunities. So she had transferred. Do you want to
• 34:15
  do three? I'm like, well, if I do that, so be
• 34:17
  it. I'm just gonna give it a kick at the can and see how
• 34:21
  how I do and if I can play. You know, there's plenty of
• 34:23
  people told me I couldn't do it, so just you know, see what
• 34:29
  happens. And then obviously I want to be pro. I want to go
• 34:30
  pro. I was going to play in the NHL when I was a young
• 34:34
  kid because Minorium did it. But then, you know, the pro thing
• 34:38
  wasn't really an option outside of you know, Minnesota white Caps became a thing,
• 34:43
  but at that time, we were paying a thousand bucks to play and
• 34:46
  trying to sell ads and then hopping in a suv with with Winnie Brot and
• 34:53
  driving to Saskatchewan to play a couple of games. You know, it was.
• 34:57
  It was different then, but we loved the product and it was fun.
• 35:00
  So I was trying to piece it together and then actually made a national
• 35:06
  team and trying to do that, and I came back to Minnesota State as
• 35:09
  a graduate assistant in the human performance department. So I actually came back and
• 35:14
  did my master's degree, not coaching, but trying to play for the you
• 35:20
  know, national team, and then ended up finishing that. What am I
• 35:23
  going to do next? Not sure? I was coaching a goalie camp at
• 35:28
  Shaddock Saint Mary's with my longtime goalie coach here, a great friend of mine,
• 35:31
  Des Christopher, and uh, they happen to need an assistant coach on
• 35:36
  the girl's side, So talked to Gordy, Hey do you want to do
• 35:37
  this? Hey? Why not? I don't know what else I'm gonna do.
• 35:40
  So I was there for a year and then after that season we won
• 35:45
  the national tournament with a couple of decent players you may have heard of,
• 35:50
  and Amanda Kessel and Brianna Decker around that team. So it was a really
• 35:54
  fun experience, but we won the one the whole thing, and then Eric
• 35:59
  Means ended up during that season. There's kind of turnover on this program and
• 36:04
  he took the took the job after being a longtime men's assistant here whom he
• 36:09
  was my coach at hockey camp when I was about middle school, maybe eighth
• 36:15
  or ninth grade. My sister and I came to the girls camp and man
• 36:19
  Cato State at the time. I know people like they still call it that,
• 36:22
  but I love that my experience here at that time. But he asked
• 36:27
  me, is this something you want to do? And I was like,
• 36:29
  yeah, I want to coach, like I would love being around the game.
• 36:31
  So then I ended up here and see how this take goes. And
• 36:36
  I'm still here, so it's kind of a just sit back and wait and
• 36:43
  see what happens. And it's kind of seemed to work out so far.
• 36:47
  Now that you're you're moving from associate head coach to head coach, I guess
• 36:53
  what are your priorities in trying to elevate Minnesota State to a level where it
• 36:59
  can be you know, talking about as a as a top four team perennially
• 37:06
  in the w c h A and getting to that level. How do you
• 37:08
  do that? Knowing that it doesn't get any easier around the w c h
• 37:14
  A with all the teams we know seeing four in the NCAA tournament this year,
• 37:17
  and that's you know, there's there's a fifth that was almost there,
• 37:21
  and how I guess, how do you look at that as a challenge and
• 37:25
  how do you how do you take that on h It's definitely a challenge,
• 37:29
  but I think it's a good problem to have, Like I love that every
• 37:34
  weekend in our league, it's like it's a battle and anybody can win.
• 37:37
  And you know, you need obviously, there's a recipe to success. To
• 37:42
  success, you get a great goaltending you're in every game. You got a
• 37:45
  couple of players that get hot and can score goals, then you're in every
• 37:49
  game. I think that we had a lot of flashes this year where it
• 37:52
  was like all right, here we go, we're rolling, and it was
• 37:55
  we had a tough time being consistent for for sixty minutes. I mean there
• 38:00
  was games that I was like, all right, here we go, this
• 38:04
  is the team we are, and then other games that it's like I don't
• 38:07
  even know what just happened out there, like you know, and it's trying
• 38:10
  to find that consistent game, which everybody's trying, you know, like you
• 38:15
  see it all the teams go through kind of those ups and downs, but
• 38:20
  trying to I've talked to most of our players that are currently here yesterday and
• 38:25
  today, just briefly met with them like we good, you got any questions,
• 38:29
  concerns, but mostly like let them know. Like the biggest thing I
• 38:34
  plan to do. If I can leave the rink every night and know that
• 38:37
  I overly over communicated. I mean I feel like that's all I say to
• 38:42
  our players before game, in between periods in practice, Let's just talk more
• 38:46
  like help each other out on the ice, makes the game so much easier.
• 38:50
  Let's communicate. So my plan is like over communicate. They're probably gonna
• 38:54
  be sick of me telling them or talking to them. And then just positive
• 38:59
  energy, Like I think that goes so far, Like any coach I had
• 39:05
  that had positive energy and showed confidence in me and believed in me, and
• 39:10
  you know, elevated me that way, so much easier to play, not
• 39:15
  worried about shoot, I wonder what they're thinking, or I just like,
• 39:17
  that's that's my plan. If I can do those two things every day,
• 39:22
  I think that I can go home and say, all right, I did
• 39:25
  my part in trying to elevate this program. I mean, we have skillful
• 39:30
  players, we have players that can play physical, we can play with pace,
• 39:36
  just trying to trying to be consistent, and I'm really excited about the
• 39:40
  players we have coming in. We have a small class that signed their analyts
• 39:45
  to come in this fall, and then we have a pretty big class that
• 39:49
  are their verbal commits right now. Obviously talk to all of them as well
• 39:52
  over the last day and a half and they're pretty still fired up and seem
• 39:58
  to be all in. So I'm looking forward to like we're going to be
• 40:01
  transitioning here out of the COVID fifth years. We've been fortunate to have players
• 40:07
  stick around for their fifth year and be able to have space for them.
• 40:12
  We'll obviously miss Charlotte Akervic and Kennedy Bobbick, who were huge parts of our
• 40:16
  program. You know, little bobbers smallest player in the league, but man
• 40:22
  can she She's feisty, and she gets under people's skin and she'll block shots
• 40:27
  and she'll do where do you need me, I'll do whatever it takes.
• 40:30
  And and she's been awesome and and Charlotte's been just great leadership for our young
• 40:35
  players. And you know, I'm hopeful that they'll find a spot in the
• 40:38
  PWHL and continue to play because just they're great hockey players, but they're just
• 40:44
  awesome people. So earlier this season, we when I spoke to Brian A.
• 40:51
  Deelski is take clout State. He talked about sort of, you know,
• 40:53
  the frustration of like playing against you know, these larger universities, big
• 40:58
  ten universities, and and having like having his team sort of execute perfectly and
• 41:05
  still come out with losses and just sort of the frustration of that day in
• 41:08
  and day out. And obviously like that's just that's being in the WHA,
• 41:14
  I think. And so I was just curious in terms of like your approach
• 41:16
  and and how do you keep motivating a team when when you could go three
• 41:21
  weeks playing the top five teams in the country and and things like that,
• 41:25
  Like it's it's it's a difficult challenge, it's a unique challenge, and looking
• 41:29
  for those wins that aren't necessarily the ones that come on the scoreboard, right
• 41:34
  Uh yeah, I think, yeah, you can end up playing I mean
• 41:37
  it's happened multiple times. I think we you know, this year we started
• 41:40
  out with a non conference games and we were successful and and could kind of
• 41:46
  play with pace and have the puck a lot, and then I think we
• 41:50
  went to Wisconsin right after, and it was like, whoa, we were
• 41:53
  going like, you know, forty five RPMs and now we're going ninety five
• 41:58
  and we couldn't just like try to get to that pace. I think you
• 42:02
  got to try to get the pace in your practices, which is sometimes difficult
• 42:08
  to do and play with the same intensity because you know, like once the
• 42:15
  puck drops in our league, it doesn't matter who you're playing, like,
• 42:17
  it is like we're trying to just muscle each other off the puck and get
• 42:22
  under each other's skin and just it's it's funny to watch sometimes, like you
• 42:29
  know, players like Abby Murphy who just gets under skin. But then you'll
• 42:34
  love to have her when I'm standing on the bench with the national team when
• 42:37
  she's getting under other people because she's like an awesome person. But then when
• 42:42
  you're playing against her, you're like, gosh, I just some about her.
• 42:45
  You know, she's like irritates you, but you're like, if you
• 42:49
  know her, you appreciate the kid because she's just playing the game and playing
• 42:53
  the game within the game and does it with a little bit of a grin
• 42:59
  on her face at times. But it's it's just fun to watch like the
• 43:00
  battles people have and then you know next month they're going to be on the
• 43:06
  same team trying to trying to win a gold medal somewhere. So it's it's
• 43:09
  it's unique, but it's it's fun to watch. Speaking of that, you'll
• 43:16
  be an assistant coach with that US team as it goes for another World championship.
• 43:23
  What what are you looking forward to in that opportunity to one, uh,
• 43:30
  develop yourself a little bit more too. You've been in those spots before,
• 43:31
  But how does that help you as a coach? And then too,
• 43:36
  how does that just that experience as in being in a World championship, in
• 43:40
  a in a you know, top best on best kind of situation help help
• 43:47
  the way you see the game. I guess it's always a great experience being
• 43:52
  it just even at some of those camps with the different coaches from you know,
• 43:57
  different programs in different parts of the country and kind of just here and
• 44:01
  there take on certain situations like how I think one thing should be played might
• 44:06
  be a different opinion from three different people. I'm like, yeah, any
• 44:09
  of those three ways of work, Like it's interesting to you know, Josh
• 44:14
  Skiva running the power Play I'm like watching his clips, like, how can
• 44:20
  you know, how can I bring this back and maybe try something different with
• 44:23
  our groups so our power play gets clipping, you know, they gets in.
• 44:28
  Coach Roboleski's been awesome. He's very sometimes heavy on the video, but
• 44:35
  it's such good, Like the clips are so good and so important and shows
• 44:38
  like the little details that maybe don't show up on the score sheet but the
• 44:43
  importance of them. And just like the way he runs the bench. I
• 44:46
  mean, he's got like, I don't know, he's kind of a wizard.
• 44:50
  He'll have like his thirteen or fourteen forwards in the lineup and somehow when
• 44:53
  it's all said and on the top lines that you got this many minutes and
• 44:58
  the thirteen team for it this many Like I don't know how he balances it.
• 45:02
  And he's got kind of a crazy math brain or something. But I'm
• 45:07
  like, that's so incredible, Like you have people exactly how many minutes you
• 45:10
  were planning for them to play, and sometimes those games are chaos too,
• 45:15
  like you don't know if you're going to get fourteen power plays or you're getting
• 45:19
  none, like it it varies so much. So it's he's been great for
• 45:23
  me to learn from and the whole staff's awesome, and being around the players
• 45:29
  is great too, because they're so driven and just hey, what can I
• 45:34
  do different here? What did you see here? They're just they just want
• 45:37
  to learn and want to know, like know what they could do differently,
• 45:39
  and then they just go out there and perform and you're just like front row
• 45:44
  seat to the best hockey you could ever watch. But when when it's Canada
• 45:47
  US and it's it's been really a great experience for me. I mean,
• 45:52
  I'm got cut from a couple World Championship teams as a goaltender when they didn't
• 45:59
  have a alternate, they didn't have a third, So it was awesome to
• 46:02
  finally get to experience it in Brampton. And now I'm excited that to have
• 46:09
  the opportunity to go back and have a tournament on US soil because I know
• 46:14
  how much like there's gonna be great crowds, a little less red and more
• 46:17
  red white people this time around, but it should be really another great experience
• 46:22
  for me and I'm looking forward to it. You having been an assistant coach
• 46:28
  in their associate coach head coach in the WC chain, then the work with
• 46:32
  Usa, You've seen quite a few collegiate players, so we just kind of
• 46:37
  we thought you would be a great person to talk about like sort of what's
• 46:40
  what's on deck here with these next couple of games. And I thought we
• 46:45
  could maybe also ask you a little bit about some of the Patty Kaz Top
• 46:47
  ten finalists, Just who stands out to you, particularly since there have been
• 46:53
  so many of the players that you have either coached or played against quite a
• 46:57
  bit. All Right, I'll try not to uh get anybody upset with me
• 47:02
  when I be not, try not trying to throw under desolutely stir it up
• 47:07
  here on the job. But well, what I can do from an n
• 47:14
  c A A perspective from having seen those teams you know that that play in
• 47:21
  the w c h A. You see them a lot. I know you
• 47:23
  see some games on video, do you. I guess what stands out to
• 47:29
  you in terms of how uh this this bracket looks. Obviously Ohio State and
• 47:36
  Wisconsin being on opposite ends as the one in the two, a lot of
• 47:39
  people are looking towards them, but it seems like you can't really overlook a
• 47:44
  lot of the other teams in this group. Yeah, I thought it was
• 47:49
  interesting to see that Wisconsin didn't have another w c h A team on their
• 47:54
  side of the bracket, which doesn't always happen, so I thought that was
• 48:00
  kind of unique this this year. But I guess if that's what the numbers
• 48:04
  say, somebody smarter than me figures that out. But if that's what the
• 48:07
  numbers say, then I think that's the way the brackets should shake out.
• 48:13
  It'll be interesting because there's been a couple of goaltenders that have been lights out
• 48:19
  and they could steal a game somewhere. You know. UMD has gotten great
• 48:24
  goaltending at times that it's like, all right, they're gonna you know,
• 48:29
  they haven't scored a lot of goals like some years, they've pumped in plenty
• 48:34
  of pucks in the back of the net. I think there may be down
• 48:36
  a little bit on scoring, but my goodness, their their back end has
• 48:39
  kept pucks out of the net, and that's a recipe for some serious success.
• 48:45
  I think the same could say be said for I watched a little bit
• 48:49
  of clarkson Colgate. I think they you can get great goaltending out of those
• 48:52
  two teams, good defensive groups out of both of those groups, and a
• 48:58
  couple of players that can score. So if you get a couple of power
• 49:01
  plays or weird bounce off a shin pad and then your your goaltenders and your
• 49:07
  d not buckle it down. It could be somebody could knock somebody off that
• 49:13
  maybe surprises us. And then you've got the some of the teams that have
• 49:17
  so much skill, we maybe we'll see an eight to six game. I
• 49:21
  mean it could. The floodgates could open somewhere and people just make plays.
• 49:24
  And you know, I think we saw that in the w C h A
• 49:29
  final. You know, Ringing Kirk's been lights out all year. I think
• 49:34
  she's a great goaltender, and all of a sudden, a couple of plays
• 49:36
  are made where you know, I don't know that they're her fault, but
• 49:39
  they're just great plays made and pucks end up in the back of the net
• 49:43
  and you're like, before you know it, you're like, holy cow,
• 49:45
  this game's three nothing or it's it's kind of it's interesting that that that kind
• 49:51
  of can things can happen to where you what you expect is is definitely not
• 49:55
  what you get. And I think that's what that's what I saw in that,
• 49:59
  you know, w J final. I was like, wow, I
• 50:00
  didn't that we're gonna get like a two to one, one nothing overtime game.
• 50:06
  And then all of a sudden, it was, you know, a
• 50:07
  couple of quick ones and then and then here comes you know, Ohio State
• 50:12
  get I think Bilk scored a couple in the third, and then I'm like,
• 50:15
  man, if they had another four minutes on the clock, this thing
• 50:17
  could get kind of crazy pretty quick. So yeah, I saw someone said
• 50:22
  something about Mark Counton taking that late time out, and I was like,
• 50:25
  friends, this game is not over, Like Ohio State can score those goals.
• 50:30
  That's why he took that time out. The good that was, Yeah,
• 50:32
  I agree. I never thought that was gonna six three in either direction.
• 50:37
  Was not was not a final score I would have ever put money on.
• 50:42
  No, not a chance. And then a couple of the other teams
• 50:45
  you gotta give. I mean, Penn State been there before. I think
• 50:49
  they've they've got obviously, Tessa's had another strong year, kind of busted out
• 50:55
  a little bit mid season and has kept it rolling. But they were in
• 51:00
  a I think one nothing final in theirs too, so they've gotten good goaltending
• 51:06
  from I think they've had a couple of goalies play there. I'm excited for
• 51:10
  for stone Hill get an opportunity. Good friends with Lee j their first year
• 51:15
  head coach there, so it's it was fun to see her her win.
• 51:19
  I think they've got a little bit of a tall task I had, but
• 51:22
  it's awesome to see a little bit of purple in the in the tournament.
• 51:24
  So the New Hot Tournament was for me unexpectedly exciting like that was that was
• 51:30
  probably the most fun of the last two weeks. Right, and then I
• 51:35
  don't eat who am I missing? There's more teams in there that I skipped
• 51:38
  over, all right. I actually I'm excited for that four or five in
• 51:43
  that Minnesota Clarkson game. I think it's going to be really interesting. We
• 51:46
  have, you know, like we've talked about what Abby Murphy can do,
• 51:50
  but mill and goal and the Clerkson defense, I think it's going to be
• 51:54
  a really interesting matchup. Yeah, that will be a fun game. First,
• 52:01
  it'll be interesting to see how how the officiating goes and all over the
• 52:06
  board, whether they let them play or you know what, we're not dealing
• 52:10
  with this right now and calling calling penalties early. So it'll be it'll be
• 52:15
  exciting to watch. I think you know, women's hockey has just been awesome
• 52:19
  this year. There's been a lot of really players that have kind of broken
• 52:23
  out, whether it's on the defensive end or forwards, and and we've gotten
• 52:28
  great goaltending, so it'll be it'll be fun to watch, exciting, and
• 52:32
  the parody is kind of ridiculous right now too, so it should be a
• 52:36
  lot of good games all around. Well, Sherry, thanks so much for
• 52:39
  joining us. I appreciate all that insight and and congratulations again on taking over
• 52:45
  the top job at Minnesota State. And best of luck as you get going
• 52:49
  through the summer here and into the World Championship and and everything that's coming down
• 52:53
  in the future. All right, appreciate it. Thanks for having me.
• 53:04
  Welcome back to the podcast. I'm Todd Maleuski here with Nicole Hosey, and
• 53:07
  let's look at some of those regionals that are coming up this week. Starting
• 53:13
  on Thursday at Columbus Ohio, Minnesota, Duluth and Yukon play in the first
• 53:20
  round. Winner plays Ohio State at the host on Saturday. This is a
• 53:25
  bracket that has two w c h A teams, so that could be a
• 53:30
  a conference mashup. For a spot in the Frozen Four. But you know,
• 53:36
  Minnesota, Luthan Yukon presents you know, a collection or two teams that
• 53:42
  you know can can win with defense. As as we've seen throughout the season,
• 53:47
  goals might be at a priority or come at a priority here. I
• 53:52
  think they'll be at a premium, right, I don't know we're going to
• 53:54
  have that many. Yeah, so very good goaltending, which will be super
• 54:00
  interesting because yeah, you know, both both of them have sort of eaked
• 54:04
  by here with with not a ton of offense and really relied on on strong
• 54:08
  goal hitting and Yukon, you know, having both Warrener and Chan in Minnesota
• 54:13
  Duluth his ev Gascon and Hayley McLeod and so it be interesting to see who,
• 54:19
  but who get the starts there? And uh yeah, like you said,
• 54:22
  I think defense decides that one. It might honestly special teams might decide
• 54:24
  that one. Yeah, good point. And then and then I think this
• 54:28
  is one of those where it's really critical for that team that wins the game
• 54:32
  on Thursday to have the day off on Friday if they were asking them to
• 54:37
  play, uh, you know, a'll back to back against an Ohio State
• 54:42
  team that is probably has a little bit of edge to them after the way
• 54:46
  the w c h A Championship game finished for them. I don't like anyone's
• 54:53
  odds on a back to back of that odds probably still aren't great to get
• 54:58
  anyone against Ohio State in Columbus with a frozen four bid online, but having
• 55:05
  that extra day will at least let that team reset a little bit before they
• 55:08
  have to figure out what they can do to get anything on the buck Eyes.
• 55:15
  Yeah, it'll be interesting. One of the things that I was wondering
• 55:16
  about. It's like, is there is it a positive or negative? Like
• 55:22
  if Minnesota Duluth wins that game, is it a positive or negative for both
• 55:25
  Minnesota Dluth and Ohio State to know each other so well and to have played
• 55:29
  each other so much? So? Is it one of those things where having
• 55:31
  all that information is helpful? And like for a team to beat kind of
• 55:37
  a juggernaut like Ohio State, like having the intel of sort of knowing them
• 55:42
  so well that you might be able to find the smallest weak spot because there
• 55:45
  aren't many. Might be an advantage to Minnesota Duluth if they win versus Yukon
• 55:51
  and they're the one that has to face Ohio State. But I think there's
• 55:53
  some that would argue that like coming in fresh and not having sort of all
• 55:57
  that baggage and all the other stuff is also an advantage. So yeah,
• 56:00
  that that to me is an interesting sort of conundrum of like of coaching and
• 56:05
  and see them long matchup, like what what's the better position to be in
• 56:09
  there? For Is it better for you kind of become in you know,
• 56:13
  sort of fresh with without any preconceived anything, or is it better for Minnesota
• 56:16
  Duluth to be in a situation where they might be able to highlight something that
• 56:21
  they've noticed over the course of several games. Yeah, there are only two
• 56:24
  potential games this week that are would be rematches of games that have already happened
• 56:30
  this season, and obviously Minnesota Litthle House State is one of them. The
• 56:35
  Buckeyes won all four of those games in the w c h A play this
• 56:38
  season and shut out the Bulldogs in the last three of them. The other
• 56:44
  one, you would have to find a way to score the A number one
• 56:51
  when one A, B, C and D has got to put pucks in
• 56:53
  the net. Yeah, in both of their potential games. So we're talking
• 56:58
  about right, sure, Yeah, it's gonna be a challenge on on on
• 57:00
  both sides of that. But moving down the bracket we're looking at it,
• 57:05
  I guess top to bottom if you're looking, you know what, we also
• 57:08
  have on the website and go along with us us c h O dot com
• 57:10
  slash n c a A, you can find all those brackets for all of
• 57:15
  the NCAA tournaments. Uh, clarkson hosting Minnesota. That one is the one
• 57:21
  that we know will happen on Saturday, that the regional with one game in
• 57:27
  it, because it's the four or five game. Uh, you'd mentioned this
• 57:30
  before as is something you're really looking forward to. Uh what about it do
• 57:37
  you think is going to I mean, what what is the potential of making
• 57:39
  the difference there between those two teams? Because it feels like, you know,
• 57:44
  both you can both can lean on having some some game breakers, both
• 57:49
  can lean on having you know, at points throughout the season they've had really
• 57:53
  good goaltending. It could be any any of that. I guess that that
• 58:00
  could really separate things. I think Minnesota, you know, kind of like
• 58:05
  I talked about earlier about Wisconsin. I think Minnesota showed particularly in their w
• 58:08
  CCHA semi final that like they have found a different year in the postseason.
• 58:14
  You know, they were getting scoring from people named not named Abby Murphy in
• 58:19
  the final couple of weeks and so just sort of adding a depth to their
• 58:22
  game and making them more dangerous and harder to defend, I think can only
• 58:28
  serve them well here. So I think what will be interesting is that that
• 58:31
  one Minnesota is sort of playing at their best. They're possessing the puck and
• 58:35
  that is almost always due to Abby, right she is She's cycling it around
• 58:39
  the outside when the seams aren't there. She's you know, she's kind of
• 58:44
  directing traffic. And so Clarkson is probably one of the stouter overall defenses that
• 58:49
  they will have faced all year. Teams like Wisconsin and Ohio State are are
• 58:54
  defense leading to offense. Clarkson isn't going to do that same kind of transition,
• 59:00
  and they are sort of stouter, more stand up on the back end,
• 59:04
  and so I just think that's going to like the two different styles there
• 59:07
  will match up really interestingly. Clarkson also has scoring threats from their blue line,
• 59:14
  so when they are on offense, I think they spread the zone more
• 59:17
  and like Haley win with the slapshot from the blue line is I don't know
• 59:22
  that another defender in the WHA matches that. So they're just very different styles,
• 59:30
  and I think they play differently than anything that the other has seen.
• 59:35
  And so how that shakes out over sixty minutes or more is why I think
• 59:38
  that will be a really interesting game. We got a note from Mark Medox
• 59:44
  that the time of that game has changed. It was originally now it's three
• 59:46
  pm Eastern, now two pm Eastern. So make sure you pay attention to
• 59:52
  that if it's something you want to watch, and it should be a good
• 59:58
  one, like you're saying. Moving down into the regional hosted by Colgate,
• 1:00:01
  the Thursday game, there is Cornell against stone Hill. Like we've mentioned,
• 1:00:07
  stone Hill the first time in the NCAA tournament coming off of a a you
• 1:00:12
  know, emotional overtime victory for Franklin Pearson the championship game. Cornell coming in
• 1:00:19
  off of a loss. I don't you know that's necessary. I don't necessarily
• 1:00:22
  know whether you know how much to factor that in a team coming in off
• 1:00:27
  of win versus a team coming in off a loss that that that it feels
• 1:00:32
  like it could bounce back either way really. Either the stone Hill is happy
• 1:00:37
  to be there and you know, they they're riding things high, riding high
• 1:00:40
  on things, and it's you know, it might come as a shock to
• 1:00:45
  them what the NCAA tournament is about. And Cornell may be you know,
• 1:00:52
  you know a little motivated by having a loss in the semi finals last week.
• 1:00:57
  Well, at the point is it wasn't just a loss. It was
• 1:01:00
  a five to one loss. Like there's just that stings more. The other
• 1:01:02
  thing is that that was a two to one game in favor of Colgate with
• 1:01:07
  like eight minutes seven minutes to play, and then it just it really slipped
• 1:01:10
  away from Cornell. And so I would think that that's the motivator, right
• 1:01:15
  that like you in the end, when people look at the score, it
• 1:01:17
  looks like you got your butt kicked. And then there's also the fact that
• 1:01:21
  like you know that you let it slip away, that like it wasn't you
• 1:01:24
  didn't play that full sixty minutes. But I do feel like that game just
• 1:01:29
  kind of exposed Cornell a little bit. Cornell's been really good because they have
• 1:01:32
  a very good top line, and they have good defense and good goaltending.
• 1:01:37
  And I think the depth of Colgate just kind of took over there. You
• 1:01:39
  know, dereg greg with her two goals to assists Daniel Sterdackney scored, and
• 1:01:45
  you know she has been in a different role this year where she's kind of
• 1:01:49
  been dishing the puck a little more and so I think that hopefully that does
• 1:01:54
  more motivate Cornell and I think it does show them, like, you know,
• 1:01:58
  things that they need to be working on, and I think puts them
• 1:02:01
  puts Cornell in a good position to like, I think in this case,
• 1:02:05
  they're kind of lucky to have that first game that that kind of allows them
• 1:02:08
  to regroup and center themselves and I think they can play their game. I
• 1:02:13
  think they are likely to be the ones controlling the flow of the game against
• 1:02:16
  stone Hill, and then that gives them the opportunity to be on a better
• 1:02:21
  place if they have to go back and play Colgate again. Yeah. Colgate
• 1:02:27
  also won both of the regular season matchups against Cornell this season, six to
• 1:02:31
  three and three nothing. Colgate and stone Hill did not play, so that's
• 1:02:38
  that would be a new one. It's you know, we saw what Colgate
• 1:02:45
  can do at home when they kind of rolled through a couple of games in
• 1:02:51
  the ACAC Championship weekend, so they'll be right back there again this week.
• 1:02:54
  And that's that's always the advantage of finishing those top four spots and why that's
• 1:03:00
  so coveted as you know you have the comforts of home to try and make
• 1:03:05
  your way to the frozen four. I will say that you know, Anili's
• 1:03:07
  Bergman has played much better as the season has progressed in those those early laws.
• 1:03:14
  Those losses by Cornell to Colgate were in January, which you know it's
• 1:03:19
  super early, but I do think that she continued to get stronger and sort
• 1:03:22
  of really find herself as a collegiate goaltender. So I was That's partly why
• 1:03:28
  that score was so surprising to me and that Cornell Colgate semifinal. But again,
• 1:03:34
  I think like it was one of those things where it's got it got
• 1:03:37
  down to crunch time and the experience of Colgate went out over Cornell. But
• 1:03:42
  I do think we would not I would be surprised if we saw such a
• 1:03:45
  high scoring game in the NCAA tournament if those two teams play again. Our
• 1:03:51
  final regional, as we're going top to bottom, is hosted by the number
• 1:03:53
  two seed that's Wisconsin at lebon Arena in Madison Thursday game. There Saint Lawrence
• 1:03:59
  versus Penn State. Penn State back in the NCAA Tournament for a second straight
• 1:04:02
  year as CHA champions, Saint Lawrence getting an auto bid or sorry not a
• 1:04:08
  at large bid from out of ECAC Hockey. This is one of those you
• 1:04:16
  know, St. Lawrence Penn State both come in with Patticas's top ten finalists.
• 1:04:23
  Uh so there's some some talent and some some skill on both of those
• 1:04:27
  rosters. I'm curious to see how this one. Yeah, I kind of
• 1:04:33
  I'm completely unsure how it's gonna play out. I feel like, uh,
• 1:04:39
  Saint Lawrence has played a tougher schedule and so has been at More's. Maybe
• 1:04:45
  Moore has been demanded of Saint Lawrence this season to to be where it's at.
• 1:04:51
  But that also doesn't take into account that Penn State had, you know,
• 1:04:57
  really ran through chau for a out of the season, had a couple
• 1:05:00
  of bumps, but also you know, had to win a one nothing game
• 1:05:04
  to to win its conference championship and has a week off that that was the
• 1:05:10
  thing we were talking about a few weeks ago. We don't know how this
• 1:05:12
  is going to play out, right, That's that's fascinating to me, and
• 1:05:14
  I'm I'm looking forward to asking about that, uh this week because you like
• 1:05:21
  the you know, when you when you've got that bounce going, you want
• 1:05:25
  to kind of keep building on that. But it's also you know, when
• 1:05:28
  they're traveling on Tuesday, you don't you like to have a little bit of
• 1:05:31
  time to know, uh, you know, what you've got going going on
• 1:05:35
  and to prepare for it. So there's a few things in this game that
• 1:05:41
  are that are gonna kind of peak my attention. Yeah. Well, one
• 1:05:45
  of the I think super interesting things about Penn and State this season is that,
• 1:05:49
  you know, they had Josie Boffin, who was like our rookie of
• 1:05:55
  the Year a couple of years ago. She's been the ch A goaltender of
• 1:05:58
  the Year. And the goalie that's been playing most of the seasons is Katie
• 1:06:02
  Dissa, whose name I'm hoping I'm saying right, but she has been you
• 1:06:08
  know of often got hurt and Katie has stepped in as a sophomore and just
• 1:06:11
  been huge for them. And so you know, having that strong goaltending is
• 1:06:16
  such a firm basis and you know, Penn State had so much turnover this
• 1:06:19
  year, they had a bunch of the players transfer Tessa Janekey's had to do
• 1:06:25
  so much more on her own does not have the same supporting cast that she
• 1:06:29
  did. So yeah, all that means that I am entirely sure unsure what
• 1:06:33
  these how these two will match up. And in Saint Lawrence, you know,
• 1:06:36
  really got strong on the second half, Abby Hustler became a Patti Has
• 1:06:40
  Top ten candidate in the second half of the season. So it's I think
• 1:06:45
  there's just a lot of question marks and a lot of unknown And again because
• 1:06:49
  these are two teams that haven't necessarily don't have a ton of experience on their
• 1:06:55
  rosters of players who played the NCAA tournament, it's like makes you unsure what
• 1:07:00
  to expect from them. Right winner of that game plays Wisconsin on Saturday afternoon.
• 1:07:06
  The Badgers have never lost an NCAA tournament game at Labon Arena, which
• 1:07:12
  goes back to twenty fourteen, twenty thirteen, twenty fourteen. But this is
• 1:07:19
  also the first time Wisconsin's hosted an NCAA game since twenty nineteen, which is
• 1:07:24
  kind of crazy to think about. It's been five years. Obviously there's been
• 1:07:29
  some I hadn't thought about that factors there. You know, twenty twenty they
• 1:07:31
  would have hosted Clarkson, and Clarkson was was on the way or it had
• 1:07:36
  already arrived when the tournament got canceled and had to turn back around and fled.
• 1:07:41
  I think they were flying in and out of Montreal, which was enough
• 1:07:44
  of a story at that point to make that interesting. But then you know,
• 1:07:47
  with COVID happened and that got shut down. So then in twenty one
• 1:07:51
  the tournament was all at eerie. Twenty two, the Badgers were a road
• 1:07:59
  team played at Northeastern, twenty three they were a road team playing at Colgate,
• 1:08:04
  And now now they're they're back at home, and I know they they
• 1:08:10
  love having the homelice advantage there. And it's I think the last four times
• 1:08:15
  they've played an NCAA game at Lebon, they've they've won in a shutout.
• 1:08:21
  So that's a a little bit of when that's a that's putting Ann Renee in
• 1:08:28
  that that's no offense to either Badger goalie. But that is a very different
• 1:08:30
  proposition than what we're talking about. True, But obviously there's you know,
• 1:08:34
  something for either Saint Lawrence or Penn State to deal with obviously much well,
• 1:08:40
  I mean, I think it's the huge thing is the noise. I just
• 1:08:44
  don't think either of them play in an environment. I mean few teams do.
• 1:08:47
  A few teams have an environment like Wisconsin, do you know, like
• 1:08:50
  their capacity and they sell out pretty much all of their games. I'm like,
• 1:08:56
  I'm looking at our attendance figure says they sold out ninety nine point eight
• 1:08:59
  percent capacity this year. It's loud. It's small, and it's loud,
• 1:09:04
  and it can be bright during a day game and the band I'm assuming we'll
• 1:09:10
  be there, and it's just it's like, you know, I think we
• 1:09:13
  told the story that Jebbi Hughes talked about UMD playing rainforest noises to get the
• 1:09:17
  team ready to go play in Labon. Like it is just a very different
• 1:09:20
  experience from pretty much anywhere else in the country. You know, Penn State's
• 1:09:25
  got a great group of fans that comes, but like they've got a much
• 1:09:28
  bigger arena and so it just it doesn't resonate the same way. And yeah,
• 1:09:31
  I think I just think the experience of playing Wisconsin at Wisconsin is one
• 1:09:36
  that teams have to prepare for aside from the fact that they're playing the number
• 1:09:41
  two team in the country. Yep. Well, the four winners of the
• 1:09:45
  regionals move on into the Frozen Four at Winmore Center Arena in Durham, New
• 1:09:50
  Hampshire. Those semifinals March twenty second, the Friday championship game Sunday March twenty
• 1:09:57
  fourth. We will have a full and complete preview of the Frozen Four next
• 1:10:01
  week on the podcast, and I'm looking forward to that because, uh,
• 1:10:05
  really digging deep. Yeah, when it gets down into the four teams and
• 1:10:10
  you know, we've we've kind of been following them this long, it's it's
• 1:10:15
  you can get a little more detail into what what make what their makeup is
• 1:10:20
  and and why they go. Yeah. Absolutely, Yeah. Like I said,
• 1:10:25
  I'm I'm already heading out to New Hampshire on Wednesday, Like, I'm
• 1:10:29
  excited for the full weekend. I'm excited, you know, the Patty caz
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  In on site and not you know, sort of a fancy brunch anymore,
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  but being there and being with the fans on Saturday like helps make it a
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  full weekend of stuff. And uh, I think it knowing the teams that
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  are possible to go of the all the eight teams that are left have great
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  fan bases, and being on the East Coast just makes it more reachable for
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  a lot more people. And so yeah, I'm stoked to go, regardless
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  of the four teams that end up there. It's just it's difficult to believe
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  that that we're like ten days away from the end of the season. Yeah,
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  there's there's ten games left and in the season. Uh and seven them
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  will seven of them will be happening this week. So enjoy it wallet while
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  it last. I guess is the thing that I'll leave you with there.
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  Yeah, it's there's there's nothing but Grade A hockey left and and I'm sad
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  that we can't watch more. I'm sad that it's not more accessible. I'm
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  sad that, you know, we'll be on site for some stuff, meaning
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  that like we'll be watching some of the rest of it on tablets, but
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  you know, if if you're able to, I would be at home with
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  the several screens set up. The streaming is should be based on who the
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  host institution is, so uh big ten plus for both Wisconsin for Madison and
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  Columbus regionals and ESPN plus for the others. So yeah, they're they're watchable
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  and streamable and hopefully every but he gets a chance to tune in. I'd
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  love to see one day. And I know the forces that are at play
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  to go against this because it's the same weekend as conference championships in basketball,
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  but I'd love to see a day in men's hockey. Yeah, right,
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  and men's hockey, but I'd love to see it where the four regional championship
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  games happened back to back throughout the day, you know, so starting to
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  each other for the five, seven thirty something like that stagger them out.
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  So you know, if you wanted to, you could and Nicole and I
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  know you would be glued to your seat day there, but you know you
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  could have that kind of day long viewing of women's hockey and really make it
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  a celebration of things then too. But right, because at this point,
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  like they're all all four will be happening at the same time. Yeah right,
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  We've got talking four pm Eastern at Clarkson, I'm sorry at Ohio State,
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  two pm Eastern at Clarkson, three pm Eastern at Colgate, and it's
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  two pm Central, so three pm Eastern at Wisconsin. The games are all
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  happening at the exact same time, and that's that's frustrating. I get it,
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  and I know that every host institution is also dealing with scheduling about other
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  things happening in campus and other sports. But like from a macro view,
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  I just I wish that that wasn't the case. They deserve to be more
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  in the spotlight. And like you said, it would be awesome if they
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  were also televised back to back to back, But at this point, I
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  would take the streams not all overlapping well incremental gains, and I think,
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  uh, I know, I feel like some way someday we'll get there.
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  It's probably not fast enough for any of us. But we can hope,
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  and we can we can encourage, and we can you know by by watching
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  the streams and by being at games that that you know, tells people that,
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  yeah, this is this is pretty important. So let's uh, you
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  know, show up with your with your your feets or uh, you know,
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  show up at the arena or show up on a stream and and you
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  can kind of let some people know that that women's hockey is important to you
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  and build build the brand a little bit. I guess. Yeah, And
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  we do know, I mean, as the one who has badgered some of
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  these people online over and over and over again that like they respond to that.
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  So uh, you know, NCI ice Hockey's Twitter handle used to barely
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  talk about the women's tournament and while we're talking the Frozen Fork because there were
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  men's conference tournaments going on, and like the men's conference tournaments mean that like
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  most of the commissioners won't be at the women's Frozen four because they will be
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  handing out trophies at the men's tournaments. And so these are all just things
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  that like we need to we need to keep pushing back at and telling people
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  isn't okay. And we have seen changes because of some of that. So
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  so don't be afraid to make your voice heard. On that note, if
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  you're gonna be in Madison, Ether on Thursday or Saturday, or you're planning
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  to be in New Hampshire, make sure you find me or Todd. We've
• 1:14:50
  got podcast stickers to hand out. We'd love to meet you if you're listening
• 1:14:55
  and hear what you think, so definitely reach out via Twitter if you see
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  us either location, we will have those on us. We're getting big time
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  here with merch. That's awesome way to go on a cole. Wait to
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  set that up, Fornicle Hosey. I'm Todd Maleski. Thanks for joining us
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  this week. I hope you enjoyed the hockey. It should be some good
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  stuff in the next few days, and make sure you check us out next
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  week for that big Frozen four preview edition. Until then, have a good
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  weekend hockey for