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The Week That Was - 19th August 2022 · 360 with Katie Woolf

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Speaker 1: It is time for the week that was and I'm
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Speaker 1: pleased to say joining me in the studio this morning
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Speaker 1: from the COLP the Member four.
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Speaker 2: For Brakling Central Australia. Very well, thank you, Katie.
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Speaker 1: Good to be good to have you in the studio.
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Speaker 1: We've also got the Member for good Kezy Eppuric.
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Speaker 3: Good morning to you.
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Speaker 4: Good morning Katy, and good morning to all those rural
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Speaker 4: people heading out for a weekend on their quad bikes,
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Speaker 4: Gord Bikes.
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Speaker 1: The Member for want Guri, but also the Minister for
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Speaker 1: Tourism and various other portfolio and the Deputy Chief Minister,
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Speaker 1: good morning to you.
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Speaker 5: Good morning Katie.
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Speaker 1: Now I tell you what, it's a busy day, there
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Speaker 1: is no doubt about that. And we know that the
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Speaker 1: Northern Territories teachers they are on strike as we speak.
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Speaker 1: It kicked off about five minutes ago. Teachers going on
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Speaker 1: strike this morning. The strike is set to impact schools
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Speaker 1: from the Darwin and Palmerston region, including Humpty Doo and
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Speaker 1: to Mian min Now. Teachers are striking in protests to
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Speaker 1: the Northern Territory governments for you year wage freeze. The
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Speaker 1: Chief Minister questioned the timing of the action and if
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Speaker 1: it was politically motivated earlier in the week, Well, yeah,
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Speaker 1: the union said on the show though throughout the week
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Speaker 1: that the system is at crisis point.
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Speaker 6: Now.
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Speaker 1: I want to make it really clear because some listeners
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Speaker 1: throughout the week thought that our teachers got the bonus,
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Speaker 1: the public service bonus. They didn't get that as some
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Speaker 1: other government workers did, and they want the government to
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Speaker 1: get back to the table and negotiate with them for
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Speaker 1: a fairer deal or I think the problem is here
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Speaker 1: that we're going to potentially use lose our wonderful teachers
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Speaker 1: to interstate.
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Speaker 7: We'll lose you go first, Well, firstly, i'd say we
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Speaker 7: thank our teachers. They do an amazing job out there
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Speaker 7: at schools every day. I want to thank our hard
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Speaker 7: working principles and the Education Department as well, who's made
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Speaker 7: sure that we've got continuity of schools. Today, schools remain open.
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Speaker 7: But without a doubt, we are at the table with
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Speaker 7: the teachers at the moment we are negotiating an EBA.
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Speaker 7: The action today that the the Teachers' Union has taken
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Speaker 7: it did come on rather fast, and it has been said, well,
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Speaker 7: they have said that it is politically timed. So I
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Speaker 7: thank the people that have keeping our schools going today.
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Speaker 7: But we value our teachers and that's why we're going
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Speaker 7: to continue to sit at the table to work through
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Speaker 7: so we can get a good deal to them, and
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Speaker 7: we can get our teachers, you know, making sure we're
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Speaker 7: taking care of them and keeping them in the terror dream.
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Speaker 1: Lampey did say to me on the show earlier in
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Speaker 1: the week that if there had have been an offer
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Speaker 1: brought to the table by Wednesday this week, they would
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Speaker 1: have stopped that action that's happening as we speak. They
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Speaker 1: would have made sure that they didn't still go on strike,
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Speaker 1: you know. I mean, you guys have had an awful
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Speaker 1: long time to try and sort something out here with
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Speaker 1: the teachers.
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Speaker 3: Why haven't we come to some kind of agreement already.
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Speaker 7: There has been a lot of hard work with the
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Speaker 7: teachers and that's going to continue. I don't think you
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Speaker 7: see any eba process, Katie.
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Speaker 5: That is straightforward.
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Speaker 7: We have continued to negotiate in good faith and we
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Speaker 7: will continue to do so. But for the action to
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Speaker 7: be brought forward today to stop work very swiftly, was
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Speaker 7: without a doubt politically motivation.
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Speaker 6: But this is a thing like the teachers have the
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Speaker 6: right to strike.
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Speaker 2: They've chosen to strike when they believe they can get
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Speaker 2: the best bang for their bucks, so that they make
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Speaker 2: sure that, as the Deputy Chief Ministers said, if the
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Speaker 2: teachers are really valued, then they should be able to
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Speaker 2: come to that table and have those discussions. A colp
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Speaker 2: have said, we're going to end this shameful pay frees.
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Speaker 2: We need to value those teachers. The Langolant reports said
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Speaker 2: that you could offer these public servants one thousand dollars
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Speaker 2: a year real pay rise. That's a real pay rise
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Speaker 2: every year, which means you super all your entitlements are
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Speaker 2: going up at the same time.
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Speaker 7: You know.
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Speaker 2: And whenever people say, oh, but how are you going
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Speaker 2: to pay for it, I'll tell you what. We wouldn't
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Speaker 2: be spending money on the thirty five million dollars that
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Speaker 2: we gave to the criminals, the twelve million dollars that
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Speaker 2: they've splashed on the grandstand. There are all these things
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Speaker 2: that could have been done so that you can afford
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Speaker 2: these sorts of things. And when you're eight point seven
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Speaker 2: billion dollars in debt, that's the real reason why we
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Speaker 2: can't afford these pay rises for our teachers.
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Speaker 7: I'll say this Katie, it's pretty hard to believe much
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Speaker 7: that comes out of the mouth of the CLP because
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Speaker 7: we know their form when it comes to education and
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Speaker 7: cutting teachers and support stuff.
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Speaker 2: Right now, you're the ones that are in this position,
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Speaker 2: and you're the reason why teachers are leaving the Northern Territory.
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Speaker 7: That's the reason I'd say, look at your form and
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Speaker 7: we're going to stay at the table and keep negotiating.
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Speaker 3: You got your hand up, Katie.
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Speaker 4: People only go to well, generally speaking, people go to
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Speaker 4: a strike action when they're pushed to the eperate. Okay.
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Speaker 4: In the past years, yes, there's been lots of mucking
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Speaker 4: around with strikes all across the country, not just up here.
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Speaker 4: But I know in my electorate there are teachers going
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Speaker 4: to this gathering outside of mister Tunner's past offers who
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Speaker 4: have never striked before because it's not been in their psyche.
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Speaker 4: So they're there because they've been pushed through years and people.
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Speaker 4: You know, Like the other thing that people have to
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Speaker 4: understand is the teachers didn't get the bonus, as you said,
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Speaker 4: But I can tell you the bonus has not flowed
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Speaker 4: to my rural schools, to admin staff. So this bonus
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Speaker 4: has been promised, but it has not been delivered. Now,
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Speaker 4: if anyone's else out there, who's an awman person in
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Speaker 4: a school ring, Katie, because it definitely hasn't gone to
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Speaker 4: the schools in my elective.
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Speaker 7: If you're in the Northern Territory general public sector, then
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Speaker 7: those bonuses would have gone through.
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Speaker 4: What happened to my schools.
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Speaker 1: There's a problem that definitely needs to be made here
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Speaker 1: is that you know, teachers have been raising these concerns
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Speaker 1: for some time. I want to say that, you know,
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Speaker 1: I think teachers do an absolutely phenomenal job. I'm so
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Speaker 1: fortunate and have been throughout my children's whole schooling lives
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Speaker 1: to have had wonderful teachers educate them. You know, our
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Speaker 1: school teachers have the ability to positively shape the minds
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Speaker 1: of our children and have such an enormous impact on
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Speaker 1: them throughout.
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Speaker 3: Their schooling years. The jobs that they do cannot be undervated.
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Speaker 4: That's the job in the classroom and at the school.
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Speaker 4: But what you know, I'm sure all your children what
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Speaker 4: they do also is takes kids on excursions, which is
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Speaker 4: above and beyond their classroom students. They take kids into
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Speaker 4: state on excursions. They're not getting paid extra to do this.
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Speaker 4: You know, they work over weekends, they shap our own kids.
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Speaker 4: So they do it because they like to do it.
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Speaker 1: They want Also they actually really care about the kids.
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Speaker 4: And look what happened during COVID and all the kids
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Speaker 4: had to stay home and their parents had to be
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Speaker 4: quasi teachers.
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Speaker 3: Realize the value of teachers absolutely.
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Speaker 7: I'd say that was one thing I always said through
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Speaker 7: the pandemic was thank God most of the time we
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Speaker 7: got to keep our kids at schools because teachers work.
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Speaker 5: Their backsides off every day and it's not a job
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Speaker 5: for everyone.
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Speaker 1: I mean taking that into account, and I think that
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Speaker 1: everybody in this room and everybody listening to the show
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Speaker 1: would certainly agree that our teachers do a bloody terrific job.
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Speaker 3: You know, why are we at the point where they're
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Speaker 3: having to strike this morning.
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Speaker 7: Because we're still at the table there. We're still having
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Speaker 7: the conversations.
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Speaker 3: And the point that you can't reach with them.
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Speaker 7: And again I think they've been very clear they don't
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Speaker 7: support where the wages policy is at at the moment,
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Speaker 7: But we're continuing to talk to them. We're looking at
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Speaker 7: ways in which we can help teachers recognize their good
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Speaker 7: work and some of the things that have changed operationally
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Speaker 7: every day in our schools. But we're continuing to negotiate
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Speaker 7: in good faith. We are disappointed that, you know, the
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Speaker 7: rush to put this action in today. However, you know
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Speaker 7: we're going to continue to work with our teachers to
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Speaker 7: make sure they get the acknowledgment and the pay that
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Speaker 7: they deserve.
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Speaker 2: This Saturday, teachers can send the labor government a very
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Speaker 2: clear message if they want to about how they feel
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Speaker 2: about that wages remember the.
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Speaker 3: After.
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Speaker 1: But look, one thing that you know, another thing that
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Speaker 1: I think is really important and worth a point worth
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Speaker 1: making is that when that wage's freeze happened, I think
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Speaker 1: everybody in the community could understand why that was happening.
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Speaker 1: We've just been through COVID. We know that we've got
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Speaker 1: a huge level of debt, but right now those living
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Speaker 1: expenses have reached a point where it is unmanageable for
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Speaker 1: a lot of people. You know, you've got the price
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Speaker 1: of everything going up from the price of petrol, you know,
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Speaker 1: your groceries, all of your living expenses, rents, they are
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Speaker 1: going through the room. If your interest rates are going up.
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Speaker 1: You know, for our teachers to remain in that same
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Speaker 1: pay bracket without their pays going up in any way,
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Speaker 1: is it's.
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Speaker 7: Going to make it really hard to keep We want
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Speaker 7: to make sure that we continue to have a really
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Speaker 7: competitive wage in there for our teachers.
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Speaker 5: That's why we're staying at the table.
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Speaker 7: We recognize that cost of living pressures are on an
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Speaker 7: increase nationally, and that's why we're continuing to negotiating good
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Speaker 7: faith with those teachers. And we're looking at these issues
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Speaker 7: really closely.
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Speaker 1: When do you recommend know that there is going to
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Speaker 1: be some kind of outcome.
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Speaker 7: We're looking at these these matters really closely. We've got
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Speaker 7: multiple EBAs, as you know, the teachers are just one
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Speaker 7: of them. We are a labor government. We sit down
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Speaker 7: with the unions, We talk to the unions and we
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Speaker 7: negotiate in good faith and right now we're continuing that
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Speaker 7: with the teachers and we want to get to a
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Speaker 7: good result for our teachers and for our schools.
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Speaker 1: Now, look, I know that you're not the education minister,
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Speaker 1: but you know the government must be thinking to themselves
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Speaker 1: at this point as well.
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Speaker 3: We've got to try and work through this pretty.
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Speaker 1: Quick quickly, because we don't want to end up in
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Speaker 1: a situation where the teachers are sort of having rolling
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Speaker 1: industrial action because while it's not disruptive too much for
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Speaker 1: the kids today, it would certainly become disruptive if it continuously.
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Speaker 7: We want kids to have the most normal life possible,
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Speaker 7: and one of the key fundamental elements that that is
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Speaker 7: going to school every day. So we'll continue to negotiating
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Speaker 7: with them in good faith. But unfortunately today in the case,
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Speaker 7: we saw this action come on very fast, and I
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Speaker 7: think it's very politically motivated.
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Speaker 4: If it's come on very fast, what that shows me
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Speaker 4: is they're very organized. Absolutely should take it out of
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Speaker 4: the books.
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Speaker 5: We take all our unions very seriously.
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Speaker 4: No, but they've managed to rally their troops, They've obviously
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Speaker 4: got good communication lines with their members, and they've gone.
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Speaker 7: You just remember the Education Department is our second largest
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Speaker 7: department in government.
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Speaker 5: There are a lot of numbers.
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Speaker 7: We've got some well paid, hard working union officials.
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Speaker 5: There, and they are very organized.
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Speaker 1: The age my understanding is as well, and we are
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Speaker 1: going to be catching up with the union after ten
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Speaker 1: o'clock this morning with Adam Lampy. But my understanding is
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Speaker 1: that they're expecting the highest number of teachers that they've
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Speaker 1: ever had go on strike today.
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Speaker 4: Well, as I said to you, there's I know one
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Speaker 4: person who has never struck before, never been on strike before,
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Speaker 4: and she's a mature and I've been a teacher for
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Speaker 4: a many long time. She's going to take strike action
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Speaker 4: to support her fellow teacher.
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Speaker 7: And again, you know, we support the right of workers
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Speaker 7: to do what they need to do. But I've heard
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Speaker 7: other stories from other schools. We're not all the teachers
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Speaker 7: that are entitled that our hard working members of the
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Speaker 7: union are going on strikes, that they're making different decisions.
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Speaker 1: Yeah, I know that the majority at my kids' school are,
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Speaker 1: and they are the kind of teachers who would take
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Speaker 1: that really, really seriously. They've explained to the children why
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Speaker 1: they're not going to be at school today, and they've
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Speaker 1: been very professional about it, but they've not made that
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Speaker 1: decision lightly. And I do think that, you know, we're
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Speaker 1: in a situation here where the government obviously needs to
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Speaker 1: sit up and take notice because we cannot afford to
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Speaker 1: lose these teachers to interstate.
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Speaker 3: You know that we need to value the work that they're.
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Speaker 5: Doing absolutely, some other works, absolutely.
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Speaker 7: And the commitment gives We're continuing to work through that
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Speaker 7: with them.
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Speaker 5: We want to get to a good EBA resolution, Katie.
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Speaker 7: Our teachers are just so important to everything we do
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Speaker 7: here in the outcomes of the Northern.
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Speaker 2: Terrace, and this strike action is just the beginning from
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Speaker 2: what I'm hearing around the Northern Territory, is it. You know,
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Speaker 2: teachers and Alice Springs are talking about going on strike
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Speaker 2: strike as well, so you know, obviously this has come about.
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Speaker 2: You know, now's the time for yeah, them to send
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Speaker 2: a strong message and I think they're doing that.
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Speaker 1: All right, We're going to take a very short break.
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Speaker 1: You are listening to Mix one oh four nine's three sixty.
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Speaker 1: It is the week that was if you've just joined
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Speaker 1: us in the studio this morning. Is Nicole Madison, Kezi
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Speaker 1: Epiric and Josh Burgoyne. And we know that well as
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Speaker 1: you heard on the show last Friday. The Northern Territory
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Speaker 1: Police Association, they have released the interim results from their
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Speaker 1: survey into confidence in the Police Commissioner and also concerns
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Speaker 1: within the force. The results do confirm a force which
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Speaker 1: appears to be broken, with rank and file officers losing
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Speaker 1: confidence in their leader.
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Speaker 7: Now.
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Speaker 1: The Northern Territory Police Association President Paul McHugh is this
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Speaker 1: morning set to give a damning indictment of the state
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Speaker 1: of the territories policing, according to The Northern Territory News,
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Speaker 1: slamming the Police Commissioner's tenure, remote policing resources, pay freeze
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Speaker 1: offers and a police discipline on the second day of
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Speaker 1: the union's annual conference. Now, mister mceughue is expected to
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Speaker 1: describe the past two years as the most turbulent and
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Speaker 1: challenging period of the force's one hundred and fifty two
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Speaker 1: year history. His keynote speech is also going to address
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Speaker 1: a resounding no confidence vote as I mentioned before, with
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Speaker 1: seventy nine point seven percent of officers who responded saying
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Speaker 1: they do not have faith in the Police Commissioner Jamie Chalker.
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Speaker 1: I know that throughout the week the Chief Minister confirmed
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Speaker 1: that she still has confidence in the Commissioner. Despite those results,
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Speaker 1: the opposition want to see a full independent inquiry conducted
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Speaker 1: by a former judge over a thirty day period. The
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Speaker 1: Member for Blaine called for either a Road World Commission
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Speaker 1: or an inquiry and said that he couldn't see how
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Speaker 1: the Commissioner could remain in that role.
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Speaker 6: And this is the big thing Katie.
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Speaker 2: We need to look at this any other CEO of
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Speaker 2: any other business, whether it be footy. We see it
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Speaker 2: happen all the time. As soon as the confidence is lost,
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Speaker 2: there seriously needs to be something that goes someone that
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Speaker 2: goes in and has an inquiry, looks at why all
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Speaker 2: the members of that business, in this case the police
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Speaker 2: force have lost faith, faith in the commissioner, in that
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Speaker 2: upper management. My father was a police officer for thirty
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Speaker 2: five years. It's so important that when police are out
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Speaker 2: there on the beat that they feel backed up by
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Speaker 2: the top brass. That's such an important thing with this,
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Speaker 2: with this structure, and right now, with those results, we
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Speaker 2: can see that that faith that has been lost. It's
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Speaker 2: so frustrating. And this is where I'm really confused about
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Speaker 2: what Labour's position is on this. I mean, Mark Turner
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Speaker 2: is a Labor member. He's come out and said the
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Speaker 2: commissioner's you know, it's untenable. He's spoke and about a
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Speaker 2: high range of other teams. I mean, is that the
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Speaker 2: Labor position on this, what's exactly happening? Because yeah, the
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Speaker 2: CLP have been very clear there should be an inquiry.
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Speaker 2: It's been ten years since a real review of the
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Speaker 2: police force has actually happened. We need to go in
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Speaker 2: there look at what's working, what's not, and why so
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Speaker 2: many police on the beat feel like they're just simply
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Speaker 2: not being backed up.
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Speaker 7: So one thing Josh and I do have in common
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Speaker 7: is that both our fathers were policemen and we were
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Speaker 7: very very proud of that. And we both support those
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Speaker 7: hard working members of the Northern Territory Police Force and
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Speaker 7: have a deep passion for the police force here and
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Speaker 7: the territory because they do an amazing job. But what
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Speaker 7: I will say is that one thing I agree with
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Speaker 7: Paul mcew on is that it has been an incredibly
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Speaker 7: turbulent few years. So if I look back at the
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Speaker 7: range of events which started the day before Jamie Chalker
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Speaker 7: took up two days the job of being the Police Commissioner,
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Speaker 7: I was sitting at the NT Police Legacy ball when
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Speaker 7: a lot of faces turned very solemn, very suddenly at
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Speaker 7: the ball when we're getting our entrees serve because that
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Speaker 7: was when the tragic shooting in Yu and Demu had occurred,
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Speaker 7: and that was two days before he started his job.
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Speaker 7: And it has been a real challenge going through that
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Speaker 7: court case and then we've also had I think we
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Speaker 7: all know the COVID pandemic as well, and all the
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Speaker 7: demands that have been called upon by the police. But
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Speaker 7: what I will say is that there is little wonder
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Speaker 7: that you see a result like that when you look
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Speaker 7: at what police have.
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Speaker 5: Had to deal with over those years.
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Speaker 7: But I will say this about the commissioner is that
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Speaker 7: he is an incredibly hard working person. He has integrity,
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Speaker 7: He makes hard decisions. They are not always popular decisions.
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Speaker 7: But you would be a fool not to think that
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Speaker 7: this has not been some of the roughest few years
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Speaker 7: in the history of the police, and he has had
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Speaker 7: to lead them through a very tough time.
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Speaker 1: And look, I don't think anybody would dispute that. I
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Speaker 1: don't think anybody is disputing that it's been an incredibly
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Speaker 1: tough few years. But the juggle now now is the
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Speaker 1: fact that we've got a police force that does not
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Speaker 1: have confidence in their commissioner in a time when things
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Speaker 1: clearly need to be rebuilt.
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Speaker 3: You know, if you look at those stats.
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Speaker 1: That have come out so far, it's going to be
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Speaker 1: I don't know how we can actually do it, Katie.
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Speaker 4: There's a couple of things I've spoken about this previously.
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Speaker 4: There's a couple of things I want to point out. Yes,
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Speaker 4: the last couple of years have been very difficult, not
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Speaker 4: just for a police commissioner in charge of a police force.
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Speaker 4: Every police commissioner in this country, if not the world,
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Speaker 4: has had a difficult job over the last couple of
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Speaker 4: years with COVID and maintaining issues with the law and
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Speaker 4: order of their jurisdiction. So that's just a statement. It's
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Speaker 4: not an excuse, or it shouldn't be a justification. It's
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Speaker 4: a statement. It's a complex organization. Well so as Australia
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Speaker 4: Post a complex organization, and so is the bloody multinational
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Speaker 4: mining company BHP. They're complex their operations. It's just a
16:51
Speaker 4: different subject matter that you're dealing with. So I'm getting
16:54
Speaker 4: a bit tired of what I keep hearing about. Oh,
16:57
Speaker 4: it's been a tough couple of years. Of course, it's
16:58
Speaker 4: been a tough couple of bloody year I think.
17:00
Speaker 1: But the problem here is is actually the zach Rolf case.
17:05
Speaker 4: That's the wild comment.
17:06
Speaker 3: Kadi.
17:06
Speaker 4: Yeah, this isn't a green skin who came into the
17:09
Speaker 4: job as commissioner. He'd been a bloody commission police officer
17:12
Speaker 4: all his life up to the rank of I think
17:14
Speaker 4: assistant or deputy commissioner, went away for three years to
17:17
Speaker 4: head up a department, then came back. He wasn't a
17:19
Speaker 4: green skin. He knew exactly what he was doing and
17:21
Speaker 4: what he had done previously. He had the skills and
17:24
Speaker 4: knowledge presumably, and the background. His father was a police officers,
17:29
Speaker 4: perhaps his uncles and uncles were police officers. So yes,
17:33
Speaker 4: he's probably a hard working fellow, that's a given. But
17:35
Speaker 4: clearly there is a fundamental problem within that police force
17:39
Speaker 4: and it seeps pointing to him and the executive level
17:42
Speaker 4: of something.
17:43
Speaker 1: That police have been trying to raise for quite some time.
17:45
Speaker 1: You know, we've reached the point where this survey has
17:48
Speaker 1: happened and doesn't get.
17:49
Speaker 4: The previous survey.
17:50
Speaker 1: Yeah, well that's right, and the people matters survey and
17:53
Speaker 1: obviously the comments which are made by the IK commissioner.
17:56
Speaker 3: So this has been a long while coming.
17:57
Speaker 7: And what I will say though, is that when you
18:00
Speaker 7: look at the history of the Northern Territory Police Force,
18:02
Speaker 7: the commissioner job is incredibly challenging. I don't think I've
18:05
Speaker 7: ever seen a commissioner have a straight and look again,
18:10
Speaker 7: they get put through the ring.
18:11
Speaker 8: If he's so.
18:11
Speaker 4: Busy, let's just split the forces. Then let's have police standalone,
18:15
Speaker 4: five standalone, emergency standalone. And I've advocated this before as
18:19
Speaker 4: and to have those heads of those departments reporting directly
18:22
Speaker 4: to the minister will sometimes lighten his load. If he's
18:25
Speaker 4: so busy, let's put Mark Spain in charge of reporting
18:28
Speaker 4: to the minister.
18:28
Speaker 3: And smooth reding to it.
18:29
Speaker 1: There was also criticism right in the middle of COVID
18:32
Speaker 1: as well, when you know, when we had a situation
18:34
Speaker 1: where Howard Springs was falling under the you know, under
18:37
Speaker 1: the realm of the police commissioner. If it was such
18:40
Speaker 1: a difficult time and there was too much load to bear,
18:42
Speaker 1: then who takes the you know, who takes the brunt
18:44
Speaker 1: for that? Now?
18:45
Speaker 7: I think I think he's got some pretty big shoulders
18:48
Speaker 7: and he's been working.
18:49
Speaker 5: Through it, like look at how we got through that pandemic.
18:52
Speaker 6: But I think that.
18:54
Speaker 3: I think that this is the thing.
18:56
Speaker 1: We're in a situation now where we've got the police
18:58
Speaker 1: force saying that they don't have confidence in him. Their
19:01
Speaker 1: morale is incredibly low, and the large majority are saying
19:05
Speaker 1: that they don't feel as though we've got enough police
19:07
Speaker 1: to actually do the jobs that are.
19:08
Speaker 3: Being asked of them.
19:10
Speaker 1: I mean, are we saying here that this is all
19:12
Speaker 1: because of COVID or are we saying here that this
19:14
Speaker 1: is as a result of the of the situation that
19:17
Speaker 1: we saw out of you and dem I.
19:18
Speaker 4: Don't think it's I don't think COVID's. COVID is a
19:21
Speaker 4: contributing factor. You Demo is a massive contributing factor. So
19:25
Speaker 4: there are other issues. It's also from what I've read
19:27
Speaker 4: and what I've listened to some officers who are in
19:29
Speaker 4: my area, is the way the management of the police force.
19:33
Speaker 4: It comes back to the organizational management. For what I've
19:36
Speaker 4: been told, and we've spoken about this before, about saying
19:39
Speaker 4: you will go and work in a remote community when
19:42
Speaker 4: your children in mid high school, a critical time for
19:44
Speaker 4: their education, and you're dictating to families where they must go.
19:48
Speaker 4: I've always said, incentives be there. It's different when your
19:52
Speaker 4: kids are in primary school. You can move them around
19:54
Speaker 4: quite easily.
19:55
Speaker 3: But you know, that's just a that's an example, Madam.
19:57
Speaker 1: I'm keen to find out though, obviously you are the
19:59
Speaker 1: four police minister when it comes to that situation that
20:03
Speaker 1: did unfold in you and the Moon, what kind of
20:05
Speaker 1: impact do you think that that has had on the
20:08
Speaker 1: force in terms of them feeling as though they can
20:11
Speaker 1: do their job and feeling as though they're supported by
20:14
Speaker 1: their leadership.
20:15
Speaker 5: I think it shook people to their very core.
20:18
Speaker 7: You know, I've had many conversations going through police stations
20:23
Speaker 7: with officers to understand how it made them feel about
20:27
Speaker 7: going to work, and it was a really difficult issue
20:32
Speaker 7: for people to grapple with, with some people in particular.
20:35
Speaker 7: And I'll never forget going through the other Springs police
20:38
Speaker 7: station and talking to the officers a few days after
20:41
Speaker 7: that event, and you want to feel raw emotion and
20:44
Speaker 7: how it made people feel. That was certainly the event.
20:46
Speaker 7: You cannot underestimate the impact that that has had. But
20:50
Speaker 7: what I'll say is that I know we've got deeply
20:52
Speaker 7: committed leaders within that police force who care very much
20:56
Speaker 7: so about the troops every day and the job that
20:58
Speaker 7: they do. And I know that they're working very hard
21:02
Speaker 7: to work with those troops to listen to their concerns
21:05
Speaker 7: and to understand where they need to go forward.
21:08
Speaker 5: And I know that the Police Minister's very dedicated to it.
21:11
Speaker 3: And you think that the Police Commissioner can stay on
21:13
Speaker 3: in that role.
21:14
Speaker 5: I believe he can absolutely, And.
21:15
Speaker 1: You think that he's going to be able to turn
21:18
Speaker 1: that force around to have confidence in him.
21:20
Speaker 7: I believe he can because I know how dedicated he
21:22
Speaker 7: is and how much he believes in that police force
21:25
Speaker 7: and believes in wanting to help the officers, to care
21:30
Speaker 7: for the officers, but also to serve the territory.
21:33
Speaker 3: Is that going to be enough?
21:35
Speaker 1: Having that care and having your heart in the right place,
21:38
Speaker 1: Is that going to be enough?
21:39
Speaker 7: I have got faith in the commissioner and the senior
21:42
Speaker 7: officers within that police force because I know that they
21:46
Speaker 7: are up to the job, and like I said, it's
21:48
Speaker 7: been a very rough couple of years, but I believe
21:51
Speaker 7: that they can do it.
21:51
Speaker 2: But this is what's frustrating. We're hearing we need consistency
21:54
Speaker 2: at the top level, but we've just seen that. When
21:56
Speaker 2: Natasha Files came in as Chief Minister, one of the
21:58
Speaker 2: first things she did was Minister Nicole Madison removed you
22:04
Speaker 2: from the police ministry. So why if we need consistency,
22:08
Speaker 2: and you've spoken about everything that they went through, all
22:10
Speaker 2: the police you were there through that time, why was
22:13
Speaker 2: it that then change and all of a sudden you've
22:15
Speaker 2: just thrust Kate Warden into this role at a time
22:18
Speaker 2: when absolutely there's more upheople in the Northern Churchary Police
22:21
Speaker 2: Force than we've ever seen before.
22:23
Speaker 6: Why was there that move?
22:24
Speaker 7: I don't think it hurts to have change from time
22:27
Speaker 7: to time, like it's totally normal to have reshuffles and
22:29
Speaker 7: to do these things to set people new challenges. But
22:32
Speaker 7: we also wanted to see that continuity in that stream
22:34
Speaker 7: between territory families and police and we're doing great job.
22:38
Speaker 1: The thing I'm grappling with at the moment, and I
22:39
Speaker 1: reckon people listening are going to be wondering, you know,
22:42
Speaker 1: how is this going to happen? Is if the Northern
22:44
Speaker 1: Territory government is not prepared to call for there to
22:47
Speaker 1: be a review, If if you feel as though the
22:49
Speaker 1: police Commissioner can stay in that role and have confidence
22:52
Speaker 1: in him to stay in that role. You've got the
22:54
Speaker 1: rank and files saying that they don't have confidence, that
22:57
Speaker 1: they don't feel that they've got enough people enough in
23:00
Speaker 1: the force to be able to do their job, and
23:01
Speaker 1: their morale is at a record low. How are we
23:05
Speaker 1: going to see changing here? Are we actually going to
23:07
Speaker 1: see anything change?
23:08
Speaker 2: Police are hurting there needs to be an inquiry to
23:10
Speaker 2: find out exactly how we can move forward, because you've
23:13
Speaker 2: hit the nail on the head there, Katie, how can
23:15
Speaker 2: we move forward collectively when you have the written branch
23:18
Speaker 2: of the police force saying that they don't have confidence
23:20
Speaker 2: in the commissioner, yet everyone else say, oh no, it's fine,
23:23
Speaker 2: let's just continue on.
23:26
Speaker 5: I think we just need to let them get on
23:28
Speaker 5: with their job.
23:29
Speaker 1: But I don't think we can and I think that
23:31
Speaker 1: the you know, the real issue we've got here is
23:33
Speaker 1: that the community is actually reaching a point now as
23:36
Speaker 1: well with they don't feel as though there's enough police
23:38
Speaker 1: on the force and they don't feel as though there's.
23:41
Speaker 3: Enough action when it comes to crime.
23:43
Speaker 1: So it's not only the force that's feeling you know,
23:47
Speaker 1: worried and concerned, but the community as well.
23:50
Speaker 7: So, Katie, since we've come to government, we have put
23:53
Speaker 7: on over one hundred million dollars increased the police budget.
23:58
Speaker 7: We've put on extra troops, extra resources, more aboriginal liaison offices,
24:02
Speaker 7: aberige and community police officers.
24:06
Speaker 1: So we had the Productivity Commission throughout the week saying
24:09
Speaker 1: that we've got you know, the community doesn't feel safe
24:11
Speaker 1: and that yes, we do have more spending and more officers,
24:15
Speaker 1: but that's still per capita. You know, we've got a
24:17
Speaker 1: situation where the community doesn't feel.
24:19
Speaker 5: The complexity of the Northern Territory. Katie, I think we
24:22
Speaker 5: all know what we do with them.
24:23
Speaker 1: We're sort of making excuses for everything none then looking
24:26
Speaker 1: at the root cause and going, shit, we've got to
24:28
Speaker 1: fix this exactly.
24:29
Speaker 7: And that's what it's about, looking at the root cause.
24:32
Speaker 7: Let's be really blunt here, Let's be really blunt. We
24:35
Speaker 7: have an unacceptably high level of domestic violence and assaults,
24:39
Speaker 7: and the most victims of those are Aboriginal people who
24:42
Speaker 7: come from disadvantaged backgrounds. And that is why we have
24:45
Speaker 7: to deal with housing, health, education, maternal care, child protection,
24:51
Speaker 7: all of those things so we can stop people getting
24:53
Speaker 7: into trouble in the first place. And that's what we've
24:55
Speaker 7: been focused on the whole time we've been in government.
24:58
Speaker 4: And yet you let the police commit to take away
25:00
Speaker 4: the school based constables, which is where law some people
25:05
Speaker 4: doing a great job.
25:06
Speaker 5: There is great auxiliaries doing great.
25:09
Speaker 4: Took away school based constables and said, you will not
25:12
Speaker 4: tell me.
25:12
Speaker 7: The CP scraped them when they were in government, and
25:15
Speaker 7: we bought them back.
25:18
Speaker 1: I think the real worry here is that there is
25:20
Speaker 1: a sense from the community and I've said it before
25:22
Speaker 1: but I'll say it again, where they feel like they're
25:24
Speaker 1: being gas lit. And that's how the police are feeling
25:26
Speaker 1: as well at the moment. From the messages that I've
25:29
Speaker 1: received from current and former police officers right now, they've actually,
25:33
Speaker 1: you know, they've gone out of their comfort zone to
25:35
Speaker 1: have their say in this survey. They have you put
25:39
Speaker 1: themselves out to make sure that their voices were heard.
25:43
Speaker 1: And what we're getting back is that nothing's actually going
25:46
Speaker 1: to change. There's nothing to see here. And I think that,
25:49
Speaker 1: you know, if we feel as though morale is low
25:52
Speaker 1: right now, how are we going to feel within a
25:54
Speaker 1: couple of months if there isn't some kind of action.
25:57
Speaker 7: Again, I think we need to have a look at
25:59
Speaker 7: the last what we keep talking about. It has been
26:01
Speaker 7: an extraordinary period of time we are coming through.
26:05
Speaker 5: It has been turbulent.
26:06
Speaker 2: But our police officers are always the first ones on
26:09
Speaker 2: the scene when something goes wrong, and if they're not
26:11
Speaker 2: feeling supported, something is seriously wrong.
26:14
Speaker 1: Look, we're going to take a bit of a break.
26:15
Speaker 1: You are listening to Mix one O four point nine.
26:17
Speaker 1: It is the week that was lots to cover off
26:19
Speaker 1: on this morning. But tomorrow morning of course the funny
26:23
Speaker 1: Bay by election. Well, plenty of people hopefully gone out
26:26
Speaker 1: to early vote, although on Wednesday it was very low.
26:32
Speaker 5: That's good, about five hundred postals.
26:34
Speaker 7: Actually postalsing on pre voting, because on Wednesday it was
26:39
Speaker 7: only eight hundred.
26:41
Speaker 4: But that's because they people have to go into the Electric.
26:44
Speaker 5: Yes, terrible location for pre polling.
26:46
Speaker 7: I have to say this election to come into town
26:49
Speaker 7: and not to be able to find somewhere into the
26:51
Speaker 7: Electric to do it, I don't get why that was.
26:53
Speaker 1: So you only get fined if you don't vote, you
26:56
Speaker 1: only get fined twenty five bucks.
26:58
Speaker 4: Katie, I've tried this four.
27:02
Speaker 2: If they actually give encourage people to get out there
27:05
Speaker 2: and vote this Saturday, you know you can go down
27:07
Speaker 2: there to perhaps school, you can go down there and
27:09
Speaker 2: slood Miller mill moments.
27:12
Speaker 4: Both LATER and CP have been reluctant to increase the
27:15
Speaker 4: fines for people who don't vote. And I agree with
27:18
Speaker 4: a certain step what you're saying.
27:19
Speaker 6: Encouraging page people to get out there.
27:21
Speaker 7: I love pre polling, but yeah, when you have to
27:24
Speaker 7: sit there and go someone say, if you want to
27:25
Speaker 7: go early vote. You've got to go to that place
27:27
Speaker 7: across the road from Discovery in the city.
27:29
Speaker 4: Like people go up to living people don't.
27:31
Speaker 3: We've got to here. If you don't vote, you're not
27:33
Speaker 3: allowed to call in a winge. You get out And
27:41
Speaker 3: what we.
27:41
Speaker 4: Say in the rule area is you get out there,
27:43
Speaker 4: vote early, and you vote often.
27:46
Speaker 5: I've told you my story about it.
27:49
Speaker 3: I vote once. Three sisters.
27:53
Speaker 4: One might not live here anymore.
28:00
Speaker 1: Now listen, you know, on a serious note, we know
28:04
Speaker 1: that this is going to be incredibly interesting to see
28:06
Speaker 1: how everything unfolds. Now, I will say the opposition yesterday
28:10
Speaker 1: I was singing a bit of mud about a conflict
28:12
Speaker 1: of interest claim the COLP opposition Deputy Opposition leader Jered
28:17
Speaker 1: Mayley joined me on the show. He's calling on the
28:20
Speaker 1: labor candidate for Fanny Bay to immediately come clean on
28:23
Speaker 1: as serious what they're calling a serious allegation of conflict
28:26
Speaker 1: of interest regarding his work history and the securing of
28:29
Speaker 1: a ten million dollar ten million dollars of taxpayer funds. Now, look,
28:33
Speaker 1: I guess my question yesterday to Jered Maylee was doesn't
28:37
Speaker 1: everybody have sort of work experience?
28:39
Speaker 3: What is the real you know, what's the concern here,
28:41
Speaker 3: what's the.
28:41
Speaker 6: Conce the conflict is.
28:43
Speaker 2: The conflict is is that this is someone who actually
28:46
Speaker 2: said on radio it's not what you know, it's who
28:49
Speaker 2: you know. But then the Chief Minister comes out and says,
28:51
Speaker 2: I know, it's a process.
28:53
Speaker 6: Now, it shouldn't.
28:53
Speaker 2: Matter who you know as to whether or not you
28:56
Speaker 2: get government funding. It is the process that you go through.
29:00
Speaker 2: So for that Labour candidate to come out and say
29:02
Speaker 2: it's not what you know, it's who in the Northern territory,
29:06
Speaker 2: clearly has there been any favoritism. This is These are
29:09
Speaker 2: the allegations context.
29:12
Speaker 7: This is CLB mud slinging. Is absolute mud slinging in
29:18
Speaker 7: a by election. This is pure politics of mud slinging.
29:22
Speaker 7: And what I'll say is that Brent Potter is an
29:26
Speaker 7: outstanding candidate for Fanny Bay. He is a man all
29:29
Speaker 7: about servers, who has served in the army, He's served
29:32
Speaker 7: in Afghanistan, he has served in age care. Yes, he's
29:35
Speaker 7: worked in the private sector and he has worked in government.
29:38
Speaker 7: He's a hard worker, he is a great bloke. He
29:40
Speaker 7: declared that conflict appropriately.
29:43
Speaker 8: Now what I don't get is that here we have
29:47
Speaker 8: the CLP bagging out an incredible project like AAI, something
29:52
Speaker 8: that their former comrades in Federal Parliament in the Liberal Nationals.
29:57
Speaker 5: We're back in.
29:58
Speaker 6: Bagging out the project, just saying about process.
30:00
Speaker 7: And we're going to be manufacturing aircraft here in Darwin,
30:04
Speaker 7: which is phenomenal for this country and globally significant. And
30:09
Speaker 7: we worked hard to secure this project. And Brent had
30:13
Speaker 7: appropriately declared conflicts.
30:15
Speaker 1: And so why did he take down his LinkedIn.
30:18
Speaker 4: Confusing the day he was announced he's nomination.
30:21
Speaker 7: I don't have an answer for you that, but what
30:23
Speaker 7: I'll say is that he is an incredible candidate. He's
30:27
Speaker 7: a hard worker and he will serve the community very well.
30:30
Speaker 7: And we've just got the CLP just slinging mud here
30:34
Speaker 7: absolute man this morning, Bacon and they are trying to
30:40
Speaker 7: absolutely AAI project, which I think is disgraceful the process
30:46
Speaker 7: doing that.
30:47
Speaker 6: I think it's the process.
30:48
Speaker 4: Like I get it. Everyone has a past, good bad
30:52
Speaker 4: in between. But if you're going to run for public offers,
30:55
Speaker 4: you try and be as open and transparent as you
30:58
Speaker 4: possibly can be because you're putting yourself up there and
31:02
Speaker 4: to be a member of parliament. And we are in
31:04
Speaker 4: such a small town and the way communications telecommunication works
31:08
Speaker 4: these days, social media, et cetera. People screenshot things, so
31:12
Speaker 4: you know, they keep they keep records, they print them
31:15
Speaker 4: off whatever. And you know, if there's nothing to say
31:19
Speaker 4: or nothing to hide, why do that? Why was the
31:23
Speaker 4: LinkedIn page? LinkedIn is a professional business kind of social
31:26
Speaker 4: media exactly the kind of thing you want to go
31:28
Speaker 4: to to find out the background of a person running
31:30
Speaker 4: for parliament. So it's just it's suspicious.
31:33
Speaker 7: And as we always say, well the colors all out there.
31:37
Speaker 7: You know, we're really proud to secure the AI project
31:39
Speaker 7: and to be manufacturing aircraft here. That's what Josh is
31:43
Speaker 7: talking to, manufacturing aircraft. It went through a lot of
31:47
Speaker 7: due diligence. His former employment was absolutely declared appropriately. And
31:54
Speaker 7: what I'll say is that we're really proud to have
31:56
Speaker 7: secured that project then to be building aeroplanes here in Darwin.
32:00
Speaker 1: Stepping away from that for a moment, but still on
32:02
Speaker 1: the by election, you know, obviously it's going to be
32:05
Speaker 1: interesting to see how it all goes. If there is
32:08
Speaker 1: a swing, a big swing away from labor. I think,
32:11
Speaker 1: you know, many people in the community will be saying,
32:13
Speaker 1: all right, well, time for labor to sort of stand
32:15
Speaker 1: up and listen to the issues that that people are
32:17
Speaker 1: talking about when it comes to crime and law and
32:20
Speaker 1: order and that kind of thing. If there is a
32:22
Speaker 1: you know, a swing towards Labor, I think there'll be
32:25
Speaker 1: people sort of questioning why.
32:28
Speaker 7: Are and Leah still the leader, especially after that unprecedented
32:31
Speaker 7: result in Daily.
32:32
Speaker 5: You don't you don't lose a seat like Daily.
32:34
Speaker 6: We've been out on the seat, like.
32:38
Speaker 2: On the doors in Fanny Bay, and I can tell
32:41
Speaker 2: you that what what's going to be a disasters.
32:43
Speaker 5: People are frustrated to Leah Josh.
32:45
Speaker 6: People are frustrated.
32:47
Speaker 2: People are frustrated with Labor because they're not listening and
32:50
Speaker 2: this is what they're talking about. All they all they're
32:52
Speaker 2: focusing on is what's happened in the past. We are
32:55
Speaker 2: focused on the future, the future for Fanny Bay and
32:57
Speaker 2: Ben Hosking has been out there chatting with people on
32:59
Speaker 2: the doors. People have been saying they're frustrated, they haven't
33:02
Speaker 2: felt like they've been listened to over the last twelve years.
33:05
Speaker 2: And that's why I believe they're going to change their
33:07
Speaker 2: vote and they're going to vote for the CLP. And
33:09
Speaker 2: that's how you can send Labor a message, a very
33:11
Speaker 2: clear message tomorrow at the polling.
33:14
Speaker 5: Boots all seriousness.
33:15
Speaker 7: I think Michael gonna have serve that community magnificently for
33:18
Speaker 7: his tenure.
33:19
Speaker 5: He's worked incredibly hard.
33:20
Speaker 7: He's driven some fantastic changes there, like having the Warna
33:25
Speaker 7: and the Karringle Flats changed. We've seen some great community
33:29
Speaker 7: projects there that Mike's been involved in.
33:31
Speaker 5: Darwin High School and Darwin Middle School.
33:33
Speaker 3: No, he's driven the mental local under Claire Martin.
33:36
Speaker 5: And there's been a huge That night was.
33:39
Speaker 3: The housing minister. I worked for it.
33:40
Speaker 7: Michael has done a huge amount of work there. Anything,
33:46
Speaker 7: it's been an amazing amount of work there.
33:49
Speaker 4: But they're just like left after the budget but never again.
33:53
Speaker 5: Come on, come on guys, let me finish here.
33:58
Speaker 6: Stop stop.
34:00
Speaker 7: So what I'll say is that Brent has hit the ground.
34:03
Speaker 7: He has been working really hard. But I didn't expect
34:06
Speaker 7: anything less of him. He's that type of guy. He's
34:09
Speaker 7: a listener, he is an absolute doer. He has doorkno
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Speaker 7: NonStop for the from the moment he was pre selected.
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Speaker 5: He is a great guy.
34:17
Speaker 7: He's a hard worker. He'd make an incredible member for
34:19
Speaker 7: Fanny Bay. So well, only people come out letting.
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Speaker 3: Me say the same, Josh. Now about your snaking, It's
34:25
Speaker 3: not about that.
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Speaker 2: It's about letting people know that this is really important
34:28
Speaker 2: by election it is. I'm up here from Alice Springs
34:31
Speaker 2: for a range of reasons, but also to implore people
34:34
Speaker 2: to please get out. We are hurting in the regions
34:36
Speaker 2: in Alice Springs because the government simply aren't listening. And
34:39
Speaker 2: I know from speaking with people in the Fanny Bay
34:41
Speaker 2: they feel the same way. They feel like crime is
34:44
Speaker 2: at levels they've never seen before. When they go down
34:46
Speaker 2: on their shop, they're seeing smash windows. And that's where
34:49
Speaker 2: Ben Hosking is the right choice for people of Fanny
34:52
Speaker 2: Bay to send Labor a message, a clear message that
34:54
Speaker 2: they're not happy and they want to see more done.
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Speaker 7: I've got to say I've done my fair share of
34:58
Speaker 7: doors in Fanny Bay this biolection and listened to the
35:01
Speaker 7: people on the doors and had those discussions about those topics.
35:04
Speaker 7: And I think Brent brings some fantastic initiatives to the
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Speaker 7: table around activation around Bundilla Vesti's Beach and he will
35:10
Speaker 7: be a strong voice in government look for tackling those issues.
35:13
Speaker 3: Obviously we're talking about the Funny Bay by election, but Josh.
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Speaker 1: I am key to find out how things are going
35:18
Speaker 1: in Alla Springs at the moment, because I know that
35:20
Speaker 1: it has you know, the issue of crime has been
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Speaker 1: one that's been a big concern for a lot of
35:25
Speaker 1: people there.
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Speaker 3: How are things going currently?
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Speaker 2: People in Ola Springs are hurting, Katie, and it's never
35:30
Speaker 2: been more evident to me. I went to the Karama
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Speaker 2: Malat crime meeting last night and it was really interesting
35:35
Speaker 2: to hear about some of the suggestions people in the
35:37
Speaker 2: community had there for basically fixing the crime in their
35:41
Speaker 2: issue their area, because there are things that have been
35:44
Speaker 2: implemented in Ola Springs but simply aren't working. And this
35:47
Speaker 2: is what we're talking about. There needs to be a
35:49
Speaker 2: new approach this whole set and forget idea from labor
35:52
Speaker 2: and I'll bury our heads in the sand. It simply
35:54
Speaker 2: doesn't work. And this is where it's so frustrating, I
35:57
Speaker 2: guess for people in Oura Springs, we feel like our
35:59
Speaker 2: voices aren't being heard. We're coming on here and I
36:01
Speaker 2: appreciate every chance you give me to come on here
36:04
Speaker 2: to talk about this because people are hurting. Their businesses
36:07
Speaker 2: are being broken into, their windows are being smashed, their
36:10
Speaker 2: cars are being stolen and we seriously need a different approach.
36:14
Speaker 2: When you go in and you see a young person
36:16
Speaker 2: in the youth justice system, basically their choice is are
36:19
Speaker 2: very limited, go to detention, get bail, support accommodation. That
36:23
Speaker 2: the support isn't there, and we need more support for
36:26
Speaker 2: our young people going forward. That's simply not the case,
36:28
Speaker 2: and that's why we need to send Labor a strong
36:31
Speaker 2: message up here. That's why people have been coming up.
36:34
Speaker 2: I know you had Robin Lamley on us when she
36:36
Speaker 2: was up here saying exact same thing. This isn't just
36:39
Speaker 2: about Fanny Bay. This is about the whole Northern Territory
36:41
Speaker 2: and about sending a strong message to Labor. And that's
36:45
Speaker 2: why Ben Hoskins a man.
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Speaker 7: And again this is why Brent's going to be an
36:48
Speaker 7: incredibly strong voice in government. He knows the issues there,
36:52
Speaker 7: he's got a proven track record of absolute delivery. He's
36:55
Speaker 7: got some great ideas and commitments around activation, tackling and
36:59
Speaker 7: social behavior. But most importantly he will be in government
37:02
Speaker 7: and he will be a very strong voice.
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Speaker 3: Kiz, what do you reckon's going to happen?
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Speaker 4: I lived in Fanny Bay when I was a kid.
37:08
Speaker 3: To set you haven't you.
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Speaker 2: That my job.
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Speaker 9: I've heard it all this morning, but in the day
37:17
Speaker 9: so long ago, because you two are too young and
37:20
Speaker 9: too young, and that's when there's the men's hot, the
37:24
Speaker 9: men's single facility on Hudson Fish Avenue.
37:27
Speaker 4: The girls we were allowed to go there because that
37:29
Speaker 4: was single scary men you draft. But yeah, Edward Street
37:34
Speaker 4: is off Stretton Street, which is the first on the
37:35
Speaker 4: ride on Lost Venue. And it wasn't towny then it
37:38
Speaker 4: was bush. I'm telling you there half the roads to
37:41
Speaker 4: Casuida would roads. But it's a it's a very old,
37:45
Speaker 4: mature sub and so I think the lud Miller and
37:49
Speaker 4: the other areas of that area. But I think what
37:51
Speaker 4: I've heard from people who have interaction with people, and
37:54
Speaker 4: I have some friends who live in Fanny Bay areas
37:56
Speaker 4: is it's still crime. Crime is still the scariest thing
37:59
Speaker 4: with be you, particularly youth crime and the damage to
38:03
Speaker 4: property and the damage to people's confidence because they don't
38:06
Speaker 4: feel safe in their own homes and properties. That's what
38:09
Speaker 4: scares people the most and that's what they're worried about.
38:11
Speaker 4: So if people are going out there and making their
38:14
Speaker 4: casting their vote tomorrow, they really have to think of
38:17
Speaker 4: who's going to deliver the best product to get on
38:19
Speaker 4: top of our crime in our community because and it
38:21
Speaker 4: is in the rule air not thankfully fingers crossed. We
38:24
Speaker 4: have a different way of living out there. But that's
38:26
Speaker 4: the one of the biggest problems in our community right
38:29
Speaker 4: now in the territory is crime.
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Speaker 1: I'm going to take a very short break. You are
38:32
Speaker 1: listening to Mix one oh four nine's three sixty. We
38:35
Speaker 1: usually don't cover off on too much federal politics on
38:37
Speaker 1: the week that was it, But this week it's a
38:39
Speaker 1: story that we really can't ignore, and that is the
38:41
Speaker 1: fact that federal will form a Home Affairs Minister Karen
38:44
Speaker 1: Andrews confirmed that Scott Morrison has now contacted her to
38:48
Speaker 1: apologize for appointing himself to jointly control her position in secret.
38:53
Speaker 1: Now we know that well, the obviously the Prime Minister,
38:57
Speaker 1: Scott Morrison had appointed himself to several different folios without
39:01
Speaker 1: there the ones we know, yeah, without other ministers knowing.
39:04
Speaker 1: I found it astonishing that the likes of Matias Gorman
39:07
Speaker 1: and Josh Friedenberg didn't well, they didn't know as far
39:10
Speaker 1: as I can gather, that it had happened. The thing
39:13
Speaker 1: that really sort of stands out for me. And I
39:15
Speaker 1: know some people are going, oh, there's nothing wrong with this.
39:17
Speaker 1: It was COVID times, you know, extraordinary things were happening
39:19
Speaker 1: in cod It's but it's also a situation where you go, well,
39:24
Speaker 1: do you trust your colleagues He was.
39:26
Speaker 4: The Prime Minister of Australia. Yeah, And under our Westminster system,
39:32
Speaker 4: we have people get elected, you have the executive being
39:34
Speaker 4: the ministers. You' vest power in them to undertake certain duties,
39:38
Speaker 4: and you have the respect and the confidentiality and if
39:41
Speaker 4: there's a problem when you don't think you can shoulder
39:42
Speaker 4: the responsibility and then you say I can't do it
39:44
Speaker 4: anymore and something else gets your job. But to take
39:48
Speaker 4: over these shadow or take over these portfolios and tell
39:51
Speaker 4: one of his colleagues, Greg Hunt, and not tell any
39:54
Speaker 4: of the others is just unbelievable. It's like the man
39:57
Speaker 4: does have multiple personalities. What was he thinking?
40:01
Speaker 3: Multiple ministry ministries?
40:03
Speaker 4: Now? And since since that's come out, I mean, yes,
40:07
Speaker 4: we know Scott Morrison's got a problem with women. He
40:09
Speaker 4: had to be told to bring up the Andrews lady
40:12
Speaker 4: to apologize to it. He was quite happy to bring
40:13
Speaker 4: up his bloke mates and say, look, I'm oh sorry, Bruss,
40:16
Speaker 4: you know, sorry for button into your job, but you
40:19
Speaker 4: know not was.
40:21
Speaker 6: It, Karen?
40:23
Speaker 4: Like, look, I find it quite astonishing. The thing too, Katie,
40:27
Speaker 4: is he was he was the minister of a portfolio
40:30
Speaker 4: or shared minister. So the departmental heads would have known
40:34
Speaker 4: because they would have had ministry or briefings that had
40:36
Speaker 4: to give him or set up appointments, get information all
40:39
Speaker 4: of that stuff. So departmental people would have known about this,
40:42
Speaker 4: and obviously they kept their mouth shut because they have to,
40:45
Speaker 4: that's their job not to talk about stuff. But other
40:48
Speaker 4: people would have known. And I forget the governor general.
40:50
Speaker 4: I think that's a side issue, something else to be
40:52
Speaker 4: debated at another time. But just looking at it from
40:55
Speaker 4: a constitutional point of view, a legal point of view,
40:58
Speaker 4: and also an image point of view for our country.
41:01
Speaker 5: What was the dick doing?
41:04
Speaker 3: It's not idea, you know.
41:05
Speaker 4: And I'm a conservative person, you know, he's got I've
41:09
Speaker 4: never had any great hope with him, never liked him
41:12
Speaker 4: as Prime minister, and it just goes to show how
41:16
Speaker 4: those who came before him, like the Malcolm Turnbles of
41:18
Speaker 4: this world, really knew what he was like. And it's
41:22
Speaker 4: come out. The others have said it as well previously.
41:24
Speaker 4: I don't know which ones, but I know Turnbull's spoken out.
41:26
Speaker 5: Well, he speaks out about him fair bit so the damage.
41:30
Speaker 4: It's done to our country. Like let's say, I mean,
41:33
Speaker 4: they might say about ALBERONIZI well, what's he done. I'm
41:36
Speaker 4: not saying he has no, but it's really damaged our
41:38
Speaker 4: reputation at that highest level of the land.
41:42
Speaker 7: I will say for me, it is in a category
41:44
Speaker 7: of bizarro Land I have not quite felt or experienced
41:48
Speaker 7: since that CLP period between twenty twelve to sixteen. Wait, no, Honestly,
41:55
Speaker 7: the feelings that I done, josh just brought me back
41:58
Speaker 7: to that time where things were happening that were so
42:00
Speaker 7: bizarre and so unfathomable.
42:02
Speaker 6: As a chief to hand it over those documents, I'm.
42:07
Speaker 5: Point again and just those feelings. I'm talking about my
42:09
Speaker 5: feelings here.
42:10
Speaker 3: Joshua, my feelings, and that that's that, That's what it felt.
42:14
Speaker 5: Like to me, Katie bizarro Land.
42:16
Speaker 3: Do you know what even like I know.
42:20
Speaker 1: For the years, well yeah, I always I know that
42:25
Speaker 1: you can't always liken things to sport, but I think
42:28
Speaker 1: to myself, if you're playing in a football team or
42:30
Speaker 1: a netball team or any kind of team, and you
42:32
Speaker 1: didn't feel that you could trust the people that were
42:34
Speaker 1: on your team. How do you think you're ever going
42:36
Speaker 1: to go very well? How do you think that you're
42:37
Speaker 1: going to be able to to you know, to do well?
42:40
Speaker 1: And and that's the bizarre part for me, that you've
42:42
Speaker 1: actually got to trust your colleagues.
42:45
Speaker 7: Characterizes that like what we've seen there again, I think
42:51
Speaker 7: it says a lot about some of the things that
42:54
Speaker 7: we've seen. And what you said about Malcolm Turnbull before,
42:57
Speaker 7: he just hasn't stopped. He he hasn't stopped the whole time.
43:00
Speaker 7: Is that always tried to go to town on Scott
43:03
Speaker 7: Morrison and you can probably see why he feels that way.
43:07
Speaker 2: Well, Josh, anything you want to add to look, I
43:10
Speaker 2: am genuinely as we spoke about when we're talking about
43:12
Speaker 2: processes or anything like that, I'm really interested to see
43:14
Speaker 2: what the Solicitor General comes back in relation to all this,
43:17
Speaker 2: because we want to make sure that the proper prices
43:19
Speaker 2: were following. This is one of those things where you
43:21
Speaker 2: just look at it and go, Okay, what what has
43:23
Speaker 2: happened here?
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Speaker 4: But the other thing, too, Josh, is while he was
43:26
Speaker 4: while he was responsible for those portfolios. But I'm particularly
43:29
Speaker 4: interested in home affairs because that covers off.
43:32
Speaker 7: Because the security agency, what decisions will make Well, this
43:37
Speaker 7: is the thing and we will hopefully we will find out.
43:39
Speaker 1: I'm a big believer in openness and transparency. We're going
43:44
Speaker 1: to have to wrap up. That is it for us
43:45
Speaker 1: this morning. We've run out of time. Josh Bergine, the
43:48
Speaker 1: member for Breaklein, thanks so much for your.
43:49
Speaker 6: Time always, thank you for having us.
43:51
Speaker 3: Thank you the Member for Good Thank you so much
43:54
Speaker 3: for your time.
43:55
Speaker 4: I've got another one. Anyone interested in taking up a
43:57
Speaker 4: shooting sport. Cree is a complex that can help you
44:01
Speaker 4: with context. Any wonderful self and be safe on those
44:06
Speaker 4: quad bikes out there in the road.
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Speaker 1: Try your best to be Nicole Madison, thank you so
44:11
Speaker 1: much for your time this morning.
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Speaker 5: Thank you, and I hope everyone has a fantastic weekend.
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Speaker 3: I hope you all have a lovely weekend.