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The Gilded Age · The Art of Costume Podcast

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  So, she kind of wants to like play matchmaker, which is how I
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  felt like the first time we saw her, but I think she's just
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  crazy. Diagnosis is she's crazy.
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  I love that. That's my unprofessional
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  opinion. Hello and welcome to the art of
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  casting blogcast Imo's with joy glass and I'm Spencer Williams.
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  Hey Lizabeth. Hey Spencer, how was your week?
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  It was good. All Yes, I feel like I haven't
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  talked to you in forever. It was good.
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  Today's Oscars. I know I'm so excited.
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  I forgot about it for a second and then you're here in your
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  lovely suit jacket. And you're like, it's the
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  Oscars. I was like, yeah, right, I
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  dressed up for my Oscars ball that.
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  I'm throwing your ass, Chris Paul.
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  Fortunately the guest list is not as full as I would have
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  liked. Oh you're having.
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  This is Russell's problem. We talked about this in our
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  patreon episode, but who do you thinks gonna win the costume
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  design award? By the time people listen to
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  this, it would have already passed but let's just talk about
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  it. Yeah, I just want to talk about
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  it. Either way the closer we get to
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  it. The more that I feel like it's
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  going to be cro Ella, but I would really like it if
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  nightmare alley. Or if West Side Story, 100
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  interesting. Any of those three I would be
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  happy with. I'm in a different Camp.
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  I do think curl is going to win for sure but I really want Dune
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  to win. Oh my gosh, I forgot about Dune.
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  Yeah, this is not a good year. For me, choosing a solid winner.
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  Nightmare alley would be would be my second choice so I guess
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  we'll see but those listening already know the answer so
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  hopefully I'm wrong and it is Doom.
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  I love karela but I just feel like doing was just so
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  Groundbreaking get, just, it's going to like, be like
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  influencing sci-fi costumes for futures generations to come.
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  You know, I agree. It was definitely a very new
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  very fresh take on the Sci-Fi genre.
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  And I'm really excited to see where this this new take goes in
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  the future, but you know, who was not excited for new takes on
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  anything Spencer. Their van Ryan family, the van
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  rijn's everybody of the old money in the Gilded Age.
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  Spencer, I need the second season.
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  Now, the mount that I love this show is ridiculous.
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  I binge this entire thing in the past week and I'm obsessed with
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  it. It's like my new favorite show.
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  It's so good. I know.
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  I've been shit. Barry.
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  Quickly because I was on vacation and it's an HBO show.
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  So I assumed it was going to be very naughty on vacation with my
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  cousin and his to elementary school daughter's.
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  So it's like I can't just be watching this so I waited till
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  like the last minute to watch it.
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  I was like this is Thoroughly a PGA show.
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  Yeah, it's literally just a show about a bunch of women sitting
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  in a room just giving skal's at each other first Our and I love
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  it so much. Yeah.
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  My naughty list was not checked off my naughty bingo card.
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  There was barely anything. I know not that, that's
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  something I really want in a show but it's something I really
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  want in a show. It's and it's like, it's HBO.
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  You just expect that like I just expected it to be like but it's
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  from the producer of Downton Abbey which is also a very PG
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  show so I'm like oh that's That like actually does make sense.
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  Yeah, yeah. I mean, we should have known
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  either way without all the with the absence of naughtiness.
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  I love the show and I'm so excited to talk about it.
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  This is actually audience requests to and we said on the
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  last episode we hope you don't disappoint and you guys surely
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  did not there is about 1 million.
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  Two hundred, three hundred million billion costumes in this
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  shadow. That is so good.
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  So I'm a bit anxious to talk about this mountain of costumes.
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  To get through. I am so excited.
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  I agree. It was just, it was thoroughly,
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  beautiful. Every costume was a winner and
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  Kasia will weaken mimouna. She did an insane amount of
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  interviews on this already and talked at length in every single
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  one. So like behind the Wardrobe
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  facts are just like, killer this week.
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  Oh shoot. This is like their profit off
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  this week. It's about to be one of those
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  episodes. One of those.
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  Elizabeth researcher episode. So grab your cup of tea and
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  settle in because we have some costumes to talk about.
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  We do, I'll start us off with a little summary.
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  The American Gilded Age was a period of immense economic
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  change great conflict between old ways and the brand new waves
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  and huge fortunes were made and lost and 1882.
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  A young Marion Brook moves from rural Pennsylvania to New York
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  City after the death of her father to live with her aunt,
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  sagna. Van.
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  Rijn and a tobruk Marion and a very lonely walks into a social
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  war between her aunt's, the old money and her Super Rich
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  neighbors, the Russell's and that is to Gilded Age.
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  That is the Gilded Age. If you haven't watched the
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  Gilded Age yet, get HBO and watch it right now.
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  It's nine episodes and don't be fooled by what the times say.
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  On each episode, they're roughly like 10 minutes.
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  It's shorter than the runtime because they have like special
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  features and stuff in the back. So you'll fly through this in a
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  day and it flies by. I've already watched it twice
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  this week, it's just too good. It is too good because of some
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  very talented people. Indeed, let's go behind the
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  Wardrobe. That was brought to us by series
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  Creator Julian Fellowes. Who we all know, as the creator
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  of the amazing Downton Abbey show and Designer, Kasha Alika
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  mimouna whose notable work is. The Adjustment Bureau Moneyball
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  Moonrise Kingdom, a personal favorite of mine, foxcatcher
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  Ready, Player one and a quiet place and a quiet place part 2.
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  Nice. I will say with that resume, I
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  would not have suspected her to be the designer for this.
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  No, not at all. I love all of these designers
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  coming out of left field and being like, guess what?
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  I can do whatever you need me to do.
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  Yeah it's definitely different than her work for on, Ready
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  Player one. I could definitely say that for
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  sure and she fully admits that, you know, it's not just her work
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  that really makes this show come together in an interview with
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  Tom and Lorenzo It was asked if it was hard to find Jules and
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  shoes for the show and she launched into this very
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  beautiful quote about how many dedicated people.
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  It really takes to pull off a show like this.
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  Are you ready for a quote Spencer, I'm ready.
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  You know, I love a good quote. Patrick Wiley who worked with me
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  on the design team. He's extraordinarily experienced
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  in Period shows, he helped to create this whole operation.
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  Ation. Not only does he have an
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  Exquisite, I with menswear and womenswear, but he also knows
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  how to strategize this enormous production of where to
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  manufacture, where to rent from where to make all the hats where
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  to create all the boots and he prepared this whole plan for
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  this giant operation. And then we had Isabelle, Simon,
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  who joined us with the design team and she is a specialist of
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  executing builds in New York. And works with all the costume
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  houses that make these clothes Susan Gill boy, who is a
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  researcher and built an enormous Library.
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  Our in-house head of tailoring. Susan, bakla who led our
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  in-house team to create a lot of the servants costumes and was in
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  charge of the fittings. For all the garments that were
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  coming on and all of our principles and Extras.
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  Dennis, it's Andres our wardrobe supervisor who was in charge of
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  creating physically the whole operation.
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  We had to fit all those extras and dress.
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  All those extras and put them on camera.
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  It's almost like a military operation that happens here she
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  it's a well-oiled machine and everybody has a function
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  including all the Pas who make sure the packages are arriving
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  in time from Europe that they get open on time.
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  That they get delivered on time. It's an army of very attentive
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  people, agers Dyers, people who distress the pieces milliner's,
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  that help the costume shops and work rooms in New York.
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  Such as Eric, winterling terrorcon and Donnell, Eggman
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  and bracha, stir bling, we had phenomenal makers working with
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  us. Wow, I'm exhausted already and
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  that's all right. Episode everyone.
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  Thank you for listening, thank you for listening.
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  I'm sorry if I mispronounced your name names, are not my
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  strong suit, but I love that she's just fully like, hey, this
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  is not just me. This is this person and that
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  person and this person and that person, all the Pas, I will
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  punch you. Just like everybody is important
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  and deserves credit. Yeah, I mean, the casa had an
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  army and a designer is only as good as their team.
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  So I mean this show The strong sentiment to that, exactly.
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  And that started with a lot of research and Kasia talked about
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  this to fashionista, it's very very deeply searched in an
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  endless amount of historical material and then it's a bit
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  embellished as any fill material needs to do for the sake of
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  Storytelling. So she was like, we were on it.
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  We were looking through everything and interview with
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  fashionista, she really talked. About how they studied American
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  Fashions of 10 to 15 years before 1882, when the story
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  takes place and fashion that followed 1882, which was
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  difficult. Because during the covid
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  shutdown, a lot of libraries and museums that they would have
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  used to research. Go touch clothes from the time
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  period, you know, get a real sense of how everything was
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  constructed, what it looked like they were all closed.
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  So she was really relying on images on her computer.
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  And she was like, you know, it's not the same as going in and
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  being able to see the books and the pieces in real life.
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  She talked a little bit about how like she feel like the
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  colors might be a little bit off from being, you know, truly,
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  truly historically appropriate. But she was like, that's what
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  happens when you can't go look at the pieces, right?
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  This is also a very interesting time because of developing
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  Technologies, like the zipper and changes in well structures,
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  the 1880s was a time of very rapid change.
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  When it came to fashion, fashion plates were widely circulated
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  and the first synthetic, dyes are being developed, includes
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  it, including arsenic green dresses, look it up, it's wild.
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  Oh God, I'm with designers like Charles Frederick worth.
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  There's a huge influx of fashion from Paris.
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  So this is just a while time and I encourage everybody to go to
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  Tom and Lorenzo.com because there was a wild interview with
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  her that is extraordinary and this is one of her quotes from
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  that how I feel being in that period.
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  I would be so excited to see what's happening on the street.
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  And then when we with a modern I look at that piece.
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  How do you evoke that feeling at the same time?
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  Trying to be truthful to the period.
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  I don't try to Denies it. I don't try to disturb the rules
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  of the period, but I was trying to find the excitement of the
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  period. I love that because it translate
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  into that kind of like feeling like they almost modernize the
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  Wardrobe. And I was like, oh this feels so
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  influenced by modern fashion and then she was talking to
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  fashionista and she said we recognize elements of the
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  Wardrobe because designers in the 30s, 50s, 70s, 90s, and
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  2000's keep drawing from that period.
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  Like, Ah, that's so true. I love also what she loved with
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  creating this wardrobe is the 1880s there.
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  Such an influx of wealth and money especially in New York.
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  That ladies, really tried to present themselves on the
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  streets and in society in a very extravagant way they you know
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  one of the latest fashions wanted to really you know show
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  Everybody their money and wealth but that was mostly the new
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  money. The old money was a little bit
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  more reserved. She said in an interview with
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  variety, I would describe the old money as the effortless
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  presence of a very established rules.
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  The new money is trying to be a better version of that society.
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  And because of that, they become maybe Boulder and then they have
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  more courage. And more means to try the newest
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  of the new that came from Europe with which was just a The fresh
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  air. So I love the dynamic that she
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  really fed into and created. So she talked to Tom Lorenzo up
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  about this, it was a massive job because the period doesn't
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  really exist in rental houses. That 1880s, period?
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  No, there haven't been a ton of Productions done during that
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  specific time, period. Although she feels like there's
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  a lot more being done. Now, womenswear, Daley said that
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  the costume designer or team of roughly 65 costumers thoroughly,
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  research, the era and the time periods before and after to
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  understand the styles of 1882 and create roughly 5,000
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  costumes for the Show's first season.
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  Oh my gosh, that's so many. That's, that's so many.
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  I can't even so many and something she talks about a lot
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  and See a lot in the show is how much women dress, especially
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  women of means and money changed, at least three times a
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  day. If not more, depending on what
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  they were doing. And she said to Tom and Lorenzo
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  women spent a lot of time on their clothes and there was an
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  incredible varied amount of dressmakers.
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  There was a lot of European style mixed in there was a lot
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  of of money to be spent on the clothing and women did change
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  several times a day. What we discovered from pictures
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  is that there were personal Styles you very rarely find two
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  things that look alike, which is something we see a lot in the
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  show. So, too.
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  Yeah, it's that's a very clear that like everyone has their own
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  style. The Silhouettes are very
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  similar, but then like the colors, the details, the Is all
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  very personal to each character. And another thing I love about
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  this show is how it shot. She talked again to Tom and
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  Lorenzo about this. She said with the Gilded Age, we
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  see things the directors of cinematography set.
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  The tone of how we are going to see this, they shoot wide and
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  it's not easy to shoot wide and portray those worlds.
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  We really see things left, right?
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  The world is extremely well portrayed.
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  From all angles it's kind of a dream come true.
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  We see the principles we see them from top to bottom from the
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  side from different angles. It's like a dance or Opera that.
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  I feel like it's portrayed in front of us.
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  There are very few static moments and I gotta agree with
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  that. I feel like that's a problem
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  with a lot of period pieces is like, you can't see the whole
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  thing. A lot of the time like I always
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  have trouble finding pictures of like a whole outfit.
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  The case and Gilded Age. No, this one was fun to put
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  together because we really just got to.
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  It was like a fashion show. Most from beginning to end all
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  nine episodes. We've really got to see a lot of
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  the costumes up close and personal as well as all the
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  sets. Just like they mentioned in that
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  quote, all the trees, all the Cobblestone, everything we got
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  to see it all, and it was just beautiful.
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  So, hmm, I'm so excited to talk about Elizabeth like great
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  behind the Wardrobe facts. Thank you.
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  They are very long this time. Yes, she came prepared.
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  Well with that, I think we need to take a tea break.
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  And when we come back, we're going to break down this show of
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  character by character family by family and get into some of our
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  favorite costumes. Yes.
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  Elizabeth, are you ready to get into the Gilded Age?
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  Because we have a lot of costumes to get through Spencer.
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  I am more than ready for this. Starting off with Miriam Brooke
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  are sweet and Sweet. Kind of kind of our main
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  character. It this is very much a A
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  ensemble cast, but it definitely rotates the most around her.
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  She's not my main character, but she's other people's main
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  character. Yeah, she is the main character
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  but she has quite the journey starting from her father dying
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  in Pennsylvania Doylestown. I was weirded out when I heard
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  that because that's not far from where I live.
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  Oh my gosh, you are Our Marion Brook, no, please, I'm gonna
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  fall in love with a guy that quickly.
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  Are, you kidding me? Oh my gosh, that I have lots to
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  say about that guy but we'll save it will get the first.
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  She's very sweet, very innocent and Kasia talked about this with
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  Tom and Lorenzo about Marian style.
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  She said, we're trying to design each character.
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  We try to find a vocabulary for each character and there are
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  Roots where they come from, She comes from a small town, in
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  Pennsylvania, grew up without a mother.
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  She's a country girl and yet she has a very clear idea of who she
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  is and what she likes and I think she has that sort of
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  utilitarian simplicity. At the time, the love of nature
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  in a sense, the beauty bringing those two worlds of old money
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  love of Classics and seeing what's happening across the
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  road. So she really started It's
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  solidly in a kind of old money look to her with lots of Blues
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  and floral designs to kind of indicate her innocence.
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  Yeah, I love that. The quote said that she was a
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  country girl at heart because I did kind of see that.
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  Like she does have a little bit of a country look to her and
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  it's not until you see her like move to her aunts house, where
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  she starts to really kind of leave that behind, but she
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  starts country as hell at first. And morning at first, until her
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  aunt's, like, you can't be in morning anymore.
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  Nobody here knew your father which I was like, ooh honey.
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  Yeah, let the girl if they'd let her mourn she might not have
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  gone into as much trouble. Right?
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  No, she is see very quickly adapted.
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  She had some beautiful. Looks in this show especially
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  she had a lot of blue, La blue, lot of white and it just
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  something about blue and white just really says like she's too
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  sweet. Two main character that like
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  really is not problematic. I mean everyone's all she does
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  something wrong like Marion but she's basically just like a
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  perfect little angel she is. And I wouldn't say she's a
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  perfect little angel. She's very much like her.
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  Father is daughter who he was. Apparently quite the
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  Revolutionary. It sounds like she has a very in
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  terms of the show modern view of right and wrong and where
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  people's place in society. Society should be and she's not
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  afraid to say that. And I love that about her.
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  I have to say though, her all of her blue pieces.
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  I was like, should I make that? Should I make that?
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  I'm telling you, you are. You would be marrying in the
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  show? I've you don't see it but I see
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  it. I can't entirely disagree with
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  that, but this is very much how she starts out as she, you know,
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  kind of grows into the You know, high class Society of New York
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  into her. Her love for that man.
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  That man, mr. Raikes, she kind of changes a
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  little bit. I love a lot of, you'll see when
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  she's with mr. Raikes, she wears a lot of
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  yellow. It's like, oh, her love is
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  blooming for him but then also the longer she lives with her
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  aunt's, the darker, her clothes become she starts to wear a lot
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  more like dark yellows and greens.
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  As opposed to the blue and Kasha talks about this a lot with
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  fashion fashionista it then becomes more courageous and more
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  young fashion. At the same time, we try to keep
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  her very different from everybody else, because she's
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  she's on her own particular Journey.
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  She becomes a younger lady who's very aware of the society around
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  her and she, she's like a sponge absorbing all this information.
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  We follow her journey, developing her own Will fit for
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  New York, we experimented with Marianne.
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  I might have pushed it too far here and there, but I also think
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  that's what happens when young people are trying to Define
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  their style. And I love that because that's
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  very much what like Marianne's doing.
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  It's like sometimes you see her like looking very much like her
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  aunt's. Sometimes she looks completely
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  different from her aunt's, very modern.
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  And I think that's a really great note.
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  Yeah, say like marrying, definitely was.
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  I feel like the most inconsiderate Assistant, and
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  what she was wearing, which I kind of like that because she
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  was just, like, trying something new all the time.
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  She's like, oh, this is fun or I didn't really love this as much.
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  You just never really knew what you're going to get with Mary.
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  And yeah, I love she's constantly talking about having
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  dresses made, but I felt what really topped.
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  This whole journey off was, what should have been her wedding
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  outfit, which is this beautiful purple number with the hat and
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  the flowers. It's very, you know, Very set in
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  her determination to elope with mr.
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  Ray and, you know, she she kind of feels like she's grown up and
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  she's also very determined to like, have her both her aunt's
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  like him, after they get married, and I feel like this
• 25:11
  outfit, it's the most modern thing she wears, but the color
• 25:16
  is very reminiscent of her aunt's.
• 25:18
  Oh, yeah, this color screams Agnes van.
• 25:22
  Rijn to me. I think that was like the
• 25:24
  perfect thing to top it off, speaking of Agnes and eight of
• 25:29
  though, talk about to character. I love them.
• 25:35
  The van, rijn Brooke family, so good.
• 25:38
  You know how I feel about? Christine Baranski, I have, I
• 25:41
  know. Yeah, uncomfortable crush on
• 25:43
  That Woman. Elizabeth the woman was too
• 25:52
  stunned to speak. It's gonna say something and I
• 25:56
  decided not to anyways. Yeah, these two actresses
• 26:03
  Cynthia Nixon and Christine Baranski.
• 26:06
  They kill it. And these roles.
• 26:07
  It's not something that I really saw Cynthia in and she kills it,
• 26:12
  she does kill it. Okay.
• 26:13
  So I feel bad because she is far too defined by her.
• 26:19
  Dr. On Sex in the City. Yeah, she is so much better than
• 26:22
  that. Right?
• 26:23
  Because I saw her in some she was also in Ratched with Sarah
• 26:28
  Paulson. And she killed that too.
• 26:30
  I've yet to watch it. But I really want to, but I saw
• 26:33
  her in some miniseries, like years and years, and years ago.
• 26:36
  And it was like, it was medieval I believe, and she can, like,
• 26:41
  she killed it. She was like this, like nasty,
• 26:44
  like just nasty woman, who was like, trying to, like do
• 26:48
  Destroy, everybody's lies to make her life better but she's
• 26:54
  so much better and more talented than her sex in the city city
• 26:58
  character would suggest. And Martha may who VA over here,
• 27:02
  see really? It's just like she was born for
• 27:04
  this role why was I saw her? And I was like, yeah, I was
• 27:09
  like, this is gonna be good. She's my favorite character.
• 27:12
  I'm not even gonna lie. I saw that coming.
• 27:16
  Yeah, I'm not gonna lie. I saw that coming.
• 27:21
  But has he ever talks about the two of them in fashionista?
• 27:24
  She says, I always said, you need to feel like you're walking
• 27:28
  through the grandest room of the Metropolitan Museum of Art with
• 27:32
  their costumes. You're equally.
• 27:35
  And all of that world as we are in all of the world of Bertha,
• 27:40
  there's no value in which one is better.
• 27:43
  They're just slightly different. We know that ADA would have the
• 27:46
  oranges Browns and greens as Who's like a librarian and
• 27:51
  missionary on a journey to discover Charities and be part
• 27:54
  of society. So she is like, yes.
• 27:58
  They're supposed to look like Museum pieces, which they do and
• 28:04
  Ada. Oh my gosh.
• 28:06
  Yeah, let's start Ada. I love her character and I love
• 28:10
  her costumes because they're also very fun and to me like
• 28:13
  eight is like kind of like the wacky.
• 28:15
  Cool. Aunt, you know, who you could
• 28:17
  like tell things and like Don't tell and Agnes like and that's
• 28:21
  really representing our characters because she wears
• 28:23
  some like, kind of kooky colors. I mean like like this red and
• 28:26
  mustard or like an orange, she'll throw in a blue like
• 28:30
  she's just, you never really know.
• 28:32
  We're going to get out of her. You just know it's going to be
• 28:33
  like really fun. You never know and what I love
• 28:37
  about like her looks as they kind of like they put her in the
• 28:41
  background a little bit. They're kind of they don't stand
• 28:44
  out as much and that's very true to like her being asked
• 28:49
  Unmarried woman at her eat during that time, it's not that
• 28:53
  you weren't expected to stay out of society, but you were
• 28:56
  expected to not participate. Quite as much as the married
• 29:01
  women, so she's still there. She's still determined to be
• 29:05
  useful to society, but she's not trying to make herself stand
• 29:10
  out, right? She lets everyone else kind of
• 29:13
  do that part. She likes to kind of hang back.
• 29:15
  Hang back at home to do some fun things.
• 29:19
  Things. You know, I love her because she
• 29:21
  plays the part she's expected to play.
• 29:24
  But then at the end when she's talking to her sister and her
• 29:28
  sisters like how do you know these girls?
• 29:30
  And she's like, I'm not an idiot like I should sit here and
• 29:35
  listen to you all day every day. I know what's going on here.
• 29:39
  She's like I read books. I pay attention just because
• 29:42
  I've been single my entire life does not need on ignorant.
• 29:48
  Okay, let's Harper Agnes. Van Ryan.
• 29:50
  I'm very excited to talk about her.
• 29:53
  Love her so good. Like she's she plays this
• 29:57
  character so well because you want to like low-key hate her.
• 30:00
  Sometimes you're like oh she's so mean but she's not mean she's
• 30:03
  just like she knows the game and she's right.
• 30:06
  Like dare I say she was a very right about Marian's little
• 30:10
  wedding Adventure. She said that that dude was just
• 30:13
  an adventurer and what happened. So I just spent her right?
• 30:18
  And I Love her costumes to me because like, they're very kind
• 30:22
  of dark and very Museum me like we said, but they kind of like
• 30:26
  have these like Jewel colors. Mmm, it's like emerald green and
• 30:30
  like a dark purple, and a ruby red and a sapphire blue.
• 30:34
  Like it gives very like jewelry to me.
• 30:37
  Yeah. And she really, she really does
• 30:39
  see herself as like a queen of society.
• 30:41
  And she's my queen clearly, she talks about how long her
• 30:48
  family's been here, and Her husband's family came over on
• 30:51
  the Mayflower and they fought in the revolution and it kind of
• 30:54
  took me a while to see this because she does talk about
• 30:57
  like, oh like our family's involvement in the revolution
• 31:00
  like all these historical things.
• 31:02
  Her outfit is very like late 1700's inspired with yeah.
• 31:10
  It definitely has a little bit extra period to it compared to
• 31:13
  everyone else's like you would never see her wearing something
• 31:16
  that like mrs. Russell's wearing.
• 31:18
  Yeah. Oh, absolutely not.
• 31:21
  But like with the three-quarter length sleeves and like the
• 31:24
  higher like stand-up collars. It's like very, very reminiscent
• 31:30
  of the past and I was like, that's such a cool little like
• 31:34
  note that like she's not just old school.
• 31:36
  She's like, almost ancient she is the old school.
• 31:40
  She is an old school, which there is a, is not a problem,
• 31:44
  but Society, it is, but I love her for it, but she proves that
• 31:48
  like She's not completely, she has not completely cut herself
• 31:54
  off from the modern world. Like she gives Peggy that job
• 31:58
  like she's more than willing to accept new people but not quite
• 32:04
  the situation. Should she's so funny to like
• 32:09
  all for one liners. Literally kill me.
• 32:12
  I was dying laughing every time there's like one line where
• 32:16
  they're in a carriage together, the three of them.
• 32:18
  And like Marion says, something about hiring Pest Control Agnes
• 32:25
  literally is, like, that's not a bad idea.
• 32:28
  Like just like the way she says things.
• 32:30
  I'm like icons, he's a legend. She is.
• 32:34
  And like, I love how she's like, I am never wrong about these
• 32:36
  things. And I reminded me, I had this
• 32:38
  Downton Abbey mug him, never heard, like this was the mug.
• 32:44
  I'm drinking my tea out of today.
• 32:47
  I'm actually drinking my mug. Of this mug that one of my very
• 32:51
  good friends. Got for me.
• 32:53
  Wow, how generous of them? They know you so much.
• 32:56
  Well, Elizabeth got me this Fellowship of the Ring mug.
• 32:59
  It's very beautiful. Anyways, I'm glad you're using
• 33:03
  it. It's very cool.
• 33:05
  But yeah, just Agnes van, Ryan, just such a gem.
• 33:09
  We'll have to talk about her some more later.
• 33:11
  But first, let's talk into her really annoying, son.
• 33:15
  I do not like Oscar van Ryan, he gives me such.
• 33:18
  He gives me the Thick as the kids say he does get me the
• 33:21
  ankle. It it a little bit.
• 33:23
  Blake Ritson plays, Oscar van. Rijn.
• 33:27
  And I'm just like, he's kind of like an innocently icky
• 33:31
  character like he cannot live the life he wants to.
• 33:39
  He you want to like him, you like makes it so you're like you
• 33:44
  but I can't like he wants to live in a world where he can
• 33:47
  just be with his man. Anna and like live freely but
• 33:51
  he's very aware that he can't and he's trying to trap this
• 33:54
  poor young girl. I know I wait, dude, I really
• 33:58
  want to give you a chance. Oscar, I gave you Nine episodes
• 34:01
  and by the end of the ninth episode, I wasn't sold.
• 34:06
  Like it's so icky. He's so icky when it comes to
• 34:11
  him, trying to marry Miss Russell also like for the time
• 34:16
  considering like the kind of match her mom.
• 34:18
  Um, once for her, she could do a lot worse.
• 34:22
  Oh yeah. For sure.
• 34:24
  Let me, it's not a bad couple. I would say but I don't even
• 34:27
  think that Gladys is even that into Oscar though, but we'll get
• 34:33
  there Oscar's costumes that were pretty nice.
• 34:36
  I would say. What's the best dressed man?
• 34:39
  Of this entire show, right? He has a style this man except
• 34:44
  his something those glasses though.
• 34:46
  I'm just like this man. They're cool.
• 34:49
  They're super cool but some the them on Oscar though he just
• 34:53
  comes off as like this. So pretentious I like I would
• 34:57
  not be friends with their attention.
• 34:58
  He's pretentious and his glasses screen that to me, I'm like oh
• 35:02
  my gosh this guy but there's so cool.
• 35:06
  They're so cool. I love the piping on his
• 35:09
  jackets. Kasha got very fun with the
• 35:12
  contrasting piping. But then also like with the
• 35:17
  different patterns Ends and textures she uses for Oscar.
• 35:22
  It really makes him stand out from like every other male
• 35:25
  character on the show, right? And that's actually a good point
• 35:30
  because I know is forget his name, but we will talk about
• 35:33
  them in a second, but like, the Russell sun compared to like the
• 35:37
  van, Ryan Sun. Like the Russell, son, kind of
• 35:40
  like Blends in with, like, every other male character in the
• 35:43
  show, but Oscar van rijn like stands out when you see me like,
• 35:46
  oh, it's that guy again. Here Comes Trouble type of thing
• 35:52
  does stand out and Kasia was very you know conscious of
• 35:56
  making each character stand out in their own way especially when
• 36:00
  it came to color, she talked to women's wear daily and said we
• 36:04
  are all coded for color responses.
• 36:07
  We know that color carries so much more information than just
• 36:10
  what you would call color. It carries a wealth of
• 36:15
  information. It wouldn't I wouldn't put
• 36:18
  Marion and A jewel tone that's just not her character.
• 36:21
  She's young and innocent, and she's a breath of fresh air.
• 36:23
  That shows up in the house with Bertha, we treat those colors,
• 36:27
  symbolically. Her husband is responsible for
• 36:30
  railroads, so that's the idea of Steel and things that shine.
• 36:35
  All of that is color coded into the characters, man.
• 36:39
  I love the sound so much. Like, like she was saying we've
• 36:44
  seen that, now with Marion liked the blue, the Innocence, And now
• 36:50
  she uses that kind of color coding with Bertha Russell, man
• 36:58
  to the 102-degree Bertha Russell.
• 37:03
  She was my second favorite character.
• 37:05
  Yeah. She's I dare I say she like
• 37:07
  really kind of combat. So, if and Agnes for me, they're
• 37:12
  very close, very, very close. That's fair.
• 37:15
  She was incredible. Like, she's one of those
• 37:18
  characters, I I feel like you hate to love like theirs, so she
• 37:22
  is always Justified and like, how she's mad with people, but
• 37:26
  also, I'm like, did you take that a little to bit too far.
• 37:29
  I don't see why. That's why I love her.
• 37:32
  She takes everything too far and I would have been one of those
• 37:36
  people like at the Red Cross meeting who would have voted for
• 37:39
  her like stood up and be like yes Queen I love you.
• 37:42
  Like I would have been such a groupie like she's just so cool.
• 37:46
  Oh yes, Carrie Coon. Incredible amazing.
• 37:51
  Amazing, incredible loved her. I also love in the first
• 37:56
  episode. She's appears in this very
• 38:00
  modern, very geometric light, blue dress.
• 38:04
  The first time, the first episode, she's wearing a lot of
• 38:07
  lighter colors, lots of Blues always very fashionable.
• 38:12
  And then as the series goes on, it gets like a little bit
• 38:14
  darker. She carries that fashion
• 38:17
  throughout it but I love the blue in that first episode
• 38:23
  because it's almost like Marion. She's a little bit innocent to
• 38:27
  just how much pushback she is going to get from society.
• 38:31
  Yes, it kind of thinks this is just going to be like a walk in
• 38:34
  a park have I mean she knows will be challenging but she
• 38:36
  thinks like, well, we wrap it up in a couple weeks, you know,
• 38:39
  like, you know, it's me excited to receive me Elizabeth.
• 38:43
  Did you know? I got someone, texted me this
• 38:46
  information that Carrie Coon is eight months pregnant.
• 38:49
  In the Gilded Age, you're lying to me.
• 38:51
  I'm not lying to you, I'm not lying to.
• 38:54
  She talked multiple interviews about how they corseted the hell
• 38:58
  out of her and they said like, luckily like that was kind of a
• 39:01
  part of costume. They really covered her up.
• 39:04
  Elizabeth literally stunned right now if you don't believe
• 39:07
  me you could fact check it right now.
• 39:08
  No I believe you. I and so much course.
• 39:13
  It's kind of work miracles. So I believe it, I believe it.
• 39:17
  Wow. Wow.
• 39:19
  Yeah. Isn't that insane?
• 39:21
  That's another thing. Like this costume designer.
• 39:24
  Legendary Elizabeth doesn't know what to say right now.
• 39:28
  I have so much more respect for her.
• 39:30
  She killed it, I literally every single costume she wears.
• 39:35
  I was like, wow, I love that one.
• 39:37
  Love that one, like you said, I love that.
• 39:39
  First costume costume. She wears when she like, I love
• 39:43
  it that light blue Ensemble where she like, opens up the
• 39:45
  doors to her house. Well, someone opens the door for
• 39:48
  her and she walks in. No, but she just walks in with
• 39:52
  such a presence like she walks into her new home and she See
• 39:56
  you in stop to see anything. She's like chandelier, great
• 40:00
  painting, great. And it's almost like pushing
• 40:02
  people out of the way. Just flaunting like this, like,
• 40:04
  Fashion Week moment. It's just so good.
• 40:06
  I'm obsessed with her. Oh my gosh.
• 40:09
  Yeah, I loved her character. And again, Kasia spoke to
• 40:14
  fashionista about Bertha specifically.
• 40:17
  She said Bertha is the new Force who shows up in the Gilded Age
• 40:22
  and Pioneers French fashion on the streets of New York.
• 40:26
  Work. And in the Society of New York,
• 40:29
  it's a very exciting time. When European Fashions are being
• 40:32
  embraced in a knowledge, and are bringing a certain level of
• 40:36
  excitement and newness to the streets.
• 40:38
  Bertha's like a giant breath of fresh air, who's trying to outdo
• 40:42
  the establishment, but she still wants to belong to the society
• 40:46
  and it's like, that is so true. Yeah, we have this one picture
• 40:51
  up where she's literally wearing this peacock dress with, like
• 40:55
  the peak Feathers, the pattern. And it's like, I'm actually
• 41:00
  shocked that they put her in this, because it's so, on a
• 41:03
  nose, like a Bertha walks in mrs.
• 41:06
  Russell. And she's just like very
• 41:08
  peacock. Ashley not like Anna peacock.
• 41:11
  Let's see, Francis around. She's like, who wants to meet
• 41:13
  me? Who wants to be in my new
• 41:14
  ballroom and like, she's just. Yeah, unrelenting and caution
• 41:21
  again. Talk to fashionista about how
• 41:23
  experimental fashion really was in this period.
• 41:26
  And she said that period was very expensive experimental in
• 41:31
  the draping use of color and shapes of garments enhance
• 41:36
  during this period, a lot of asymmetry appeared, a very free
• 41:43
  organic draping, that's very interesting use of mixed and
• 41:48
  unexpected elements and embellishment of the dress.
• 41:51
  Bertha was a asymmetry in every single outfit.
• 41:56
  I Tell ya every single one and I loved it.
• 41:59
  Yeah, it's just so good. And if there wasn't like a
• 42:02
  symmetry and like the dressed and there was like a symmetry
• 42:04
  and a hat, like everything had an edge to it.
• 42:08
  And yeah, I love the but there's a character that I think that
• 42:12
  you probably loved. I feel like you were a George
• 42:14
  Russell fan, George Russell, paid by mr.
• 42:17
  Morgan, Spector. I knew it.
• 42:22
  What are some work box? I like this guy but he was also
• 42:28
  one of those characters that he and his kind of like love-hate
• 42:31
  because he was like, really cool he dressed.
• 42:34
  So well, so Dapper obviously like, very handsome but like,
• 42:38
  sometimes he could like, really kind of be a little bit of a
• 42:40
  jerk. Yeah.
• 42:44
  Okay. I could not get over what he did
• 42:46
  to Gladys is like a little boyfriend.
• 42:49
  At the end of the day he still hooked them up.
• 42:51
  So like I get it and also like this is a love like Miss Russell
• 42:55
  being like you're not. Let this happen right with like
• 42:57
  a wink so I don't always blame him but I'm just like mr.
• 43:02
  It comes out. Meaning.
• 43:03
  Right comes I'll mr. Russell's mouth.
• 43:04
  Yeah, like oh gosh. I loved his carry cuz his
• 43:10
  character. He's like, I'm not going to take
• 43:12
  shit from anybody. And if you try to pull one over
• 43:15
  for me, you will suffer the consequences tenfold?
• 43:19
  Yeah. I mean, we'll talk about certain
• 43:22
  character later, whose husband is no longer with us.
• 43:26
  Oh yeah, but yeah, he unlike his wife, though.
• 43:30
  He's like not, he doesn't really care about being in society, he
• 43:35
  cares because his wife cares and I feel like his wardrobe again,
• 43:39
  reflects that. It's very simple.
• 43:41
  Lots of Grays. And blacks, just he's like I'm A
• 43:45
  well-dressed, man of the period. That's all mrs.
• 43:48
  Russell has 95% of the Wardrobe budget, mr.
• 43:52
  Russell's just like putting on some good suits and conda today.
• 43:55
  That's all he has. Putting on, he's putting on
• 43:58
  whatever mrs. Russell laid out for him.
• 44:01
  Yeah, a character. I was so excited to see played
• 44:07
  by the brilliant. Taissa Farmiga Vera.
• 44:11
  Farmiga sister incredible. Oh yeah.
• 44:14
  You didn't know that? No, I did not realize that.
• 44:17
  That's amazing. Yeah, she is absolutely
• 44:22
  beautiful and I love all of her costumes also like such great
• 44:26
  Casting. Because she does kind of look
• 44:27
  like Carrie Coons a little bit. She does.
• 44:30
  I was they did a good job casting their children to
• 44:33
  actually look like their children.
• 44:35
  Right? Um she does.
• 44:37
  And I love because I get the feeling that she's like, 14 15
• 44:43
  in the show in the cell like yeah, in the show, not in real
• 44:47
  life art. Like maybe like 16 like mid
• 44:51
  teens but for that time period it's like, oh time to start
• 44:55
  looking for your Man, get married, like rolling.
• 44:59
  Get a move on which Gladys like keeps repeating.
• 45:02
  She's like, Mom, it's time for me to move on and mrs.
• 45:05
  Russell, like, no. And I love cuz she dresses her
• 45:09
  like a little girl. There's lots of Frills, and
• 45:12
  bows, and pinks, and girly elements to her fashion.
• 45:17
  Yeah, very hyper girly. Very hyper girly.
• 45:21
  I feel like it's not till they go to Newport that.
• 45:24
  You see her wear Anything close to like an adult look and I
• 45:30
  can't wait to see what she wears next season.
• 45:33
  I know I feel like she's just gonna be like the most
• 45:37
  wonderfully dressed person in the room at all times, right?
• 45:40
  She's going to step it up and season 2, which is season 2 has
• 45:43
  already been confirmed so that's awesome.
• 45:47
  But yeah, I love glasses, look. She's very girly and I agree
• 45:50
  with you when she went to Newport that was when you
• 45:53
  started to see the change, like I saw that to I was like oh,
• 45:56
  Goliath is trying to step it up a little bit.
• 45:58
  Like of course, she still has like the bows and very like,
• 46:02
  very fluffy but she's starting to transition a little bit.
• 46:06
  So yeah, I'm excited to see where her character goes.
• 46:10
  Also another Fanfare, I've noticed is mr.
• 46:13
  Larry Russell gladys's brother, quite a Dapper young gentleman
• 46:18
  Dapper, young gentleman. And there is a better for Marion
• 46:22
  than her other choice. Yes.
• 46:24
  So I was like, After he saves the dog.
• 46:28
  I was like, oh this is the Love Story.
• 46:30
  Everybody's going to object to and then they bring mr.
• 46:34
  Raikes, I look like left feel whoo-hoo but yeah, I loved Larry
• 46:43
  played by Harry Richardson. He is not quite as fashionable
• 46:50
  as mr. Van Reich but he's still clearly
• 46:53
  like wearing the young fashion. All of the time.
• 46:58
  Yeah, he's kind of having like a hard time, figuring out his
• 47:01
  place and all of this, he wants to dive into architecture but
• 47:06
  his dad just come wants him to like follow along and be like
• 47:09
  his, you know, his successor his successor, which like doesn't
• 47:14
  sound very fun to anyone even I think mr.
• 47:17
  Russell's like yeah that's kind of like your thing and in in the
• 47:20
  end 11 Larry is like I'm going to be the sad second act of your
• 47:25
  Empire. He's like, oh, you might be
• 47:28
  right about that. Mr. Russell guy like now that
• 47:30
  he's like, yeah, I was like, oh yeah, you're not into it.
• 47:36
  This is a painful dad conversation.
• 47:39
  But yeah, I feel like Larry Russell has a lot more ahead of
• 47:42
  him in a second season. I agree, because he was kind of
• 47:46
  under use. He's one of those characters
• 47:47
  were. I like kept forgetting who he
• 47:49
  was or time. I saw him was like, oh that's
• 47:51
  you know, the Russell's son. So I think his time is coming.
• 47:56
  I think it's time is coming. You know, whose time came in
• 48:00
  this season though. Peggy's got Peggy, Scott played
• 48:05
  by the good costumes. Played Biden a Benton.
• 48:10
  Wow. Justjust kiss she it killed this
• 48:13
  role, she killed it and her wardrobe was incredible.
• 48:19
  Kasha talk to fashionista about it.
• 48:21
  She said we used the plaids more in the home environment.
• 48:26
  Then we try to stay away from the plaids because that was just
• 48:30
  the beginning of her character Arc.
• 48:32
  We moved into things that were a little bit more professional
• 48:36
  like stripes and Browns and it's like that is so true because
• 48:40
  Peggy has a lot of plaid dress has a lot of plaid dresses but
• 48:45
  you mostly see them when she's at the van rijn's home.
• 48:49
  When she like goes out, she has these beautiful like red,
• 48:53
  purple, yellow blue, Dresses, that like really she you know,
• 49:00
  fits into the Society of the day but because she's black, no one
• 49:05
  will accept that, right? She has to like, really Blake be
• 49:09
  on top of her game at all times. And I like all those jewel-tone
• 49:13
  professional dresses she would wear like she made her spot and
• 49:17
  all these events, you know, like covering the Red Cross or the
• 49:20
  Edison lighting, like people would see her and be like oh you
• 49:23
  know that's like that that young Is like actually stepping up and
• 49:27
  like doing a great job and like that's someone you have to know
• 49:30
  even if she's not being accepted into society at this moment.
• 49:33
  But like, she's carving out a place for herself and it's just,
• 49:37
  it was so fun watching her it was.
• 49:39
  And that the bombshell about her son at the end of the season, I
• 49:43
  was like, oh my gosh, like, what is in store for this character?
• 49:49
  I also loved her family. It was very important to Kasia
• 49:53
  to like represent like the black At high class that was just
• 49:58
  coming into their own in New York, still very much separate
• 50:03
  in Brookland, very tucked away, very tucked away, even Marion
• 50:07
  doesn't realize you know black people at the time could have
• 50:11
  that sort of money Marion, put her whole foot in her mouth
• 50:15
  during that episode. I was so embarrassed by her
• 50:19
  marrying, this is so embarrassing right now.
• 50:22
  I would leave I've been like oh I'm about I was on my way to
• 50:25
  drop the A charity and thought I just pop in to say happy
• 50:28
  birthday. Yes, he brought like these.
• 50:30
  Like what? They were like some dirty boots
• 50:32
  and I was like Marion like what? Yeah and then I was like huh,
• 50:37
  like what you're doing? So typical of the time period
• 50:44
  but I really loved them and she represents them extremely well.
• 50:50
  Yeah, there are some really great costumes.
• 50:52
  I was having a hard time understanding, what happened?
• 50:56
  To Peggy's child, I got kind of lost in it a little bit, but I
• 51:00
  think I figured it out by the end, sounds like her son is
• 51:03
  actually alive and her dad knows that and he's been keeping that
• 51:07
  a secret out, her dad, just kind of sucks.
• 51:10
  Her dad kind of terrible person. Like she'd, he destroyed her
• 51:17
  marriage. Yeah.
• 51:18
  And stole her son basically, because he didn't like her
• 51:24
  choice of husband, Well, let's take a little break, we still
• 51:29
  have a lot more characters that get through so let's grab some
• 51:33
  more tea and will be back. I do need to go get more tea.
• 52:02
  All right, let's go far back. How are you ready to talk about
• 52:06
  a character that? I'm not very excited to talk
• 52:08
  about this scumbag. We're talking about Tom raikes.
• 52:15
  This guy sucks bow. And it's like you believe him so
• 52:19
  much at first I believed I thought I was like this was fast
• 52:23
  but like it's a different time period like at least she's like
• 52:28
  oh I'm not gonna like just marry him because he asked me to he
• 52:33
  had me confused at first II fell for it.
• 52:36
  The first couple episodes I was like At first that's like the
• 52:41
  train station when he I was like, what do you mean?
• 52:43
  I would only write to you for business?
• 52:45
  I was like oh he's holy just and nothing character and then he
• 52:49
  went to New York for that job interview and I was like, dude
• 52:53
  this this is her man, like this is who it's going to be.
• 52:57
  I was like they're gonna get married in the second season is
• 52:59
  going to be all about how like you know, trying to get and
• 53:04
  Agnes to accept him. Did he disappoint or did he
• 53:09
  disappoint? He disappointed and I was
• 53:11
  frustrated Whole time. I kind of started to get a weird
• 53:15
  feeling about it like, halfway through, just like, I don't
• 53:18
  know, something about this wasn't sitting right with me.
• 53:21
  And then when we kept seeing him out like the Opera with like
• 53:25
  this other girl, and I was just like, I don't know like it's
• 53:28
  just feels a little close to me. Hmm he went to the As and think
• 53:33
  even though even though Mary Ann wasn't invited just like little
• 53:37
  things like that. I was like it's not adding up
• 53:39
  and I went Agnes was kind of like saying Like oh I see this
• 53:43
  guy for what he is also to me like if mr.
• 53:47
  Raikes would have been like hey let's let go have a sit-down
• 53:51
  conversation with Agnes and Ada. I would have like been like okay
• 53:55
  like he's actually in it but he never did that.
• 53:58
  He was just always like oh I you know it is what it is, you know
• 54:01
  and that's what kept giving me the red flag was like why does
• 54:04
  he just talked to them? And I'm like the one thing that
• 54:07
  gave me the red flag was that he would never like talk about
• 54:10
  himself or ask her like Like, what's your background?
• 54:13
  Your like, I guess you already knew a lot about her because of
• 54:17
  being the lawyer, when her father died, but like he would
• 54:20
  never ask his specifics. He was just be like, I love you.
• 54:24
  He must marry. And then he stands her up for
• 54:29
  their own wedding, I was so frustrated.
• 54:33
  I was so mad about that but like I was happy though because I
• 54:36
  didn't want a wedding to happen by that point when you know and
• 54:42
  eight Ada was like, oh my gosh, you got get to miss
• 54:44
  Chamberlain's house like right away.
• 54:45
  I was like, go run, hurry, she's about to do something crazy.
• 54:50
  Yeah, so yeah, I'm happy with how it ended up mr.
• 54:54
  Raikes, whatever Thomas Cockerel, you play a great
• 54:59
  innocent bad guy. Yeah, let's talk about those
• 55:02
  costumes, you know, in terms of like his costumes are great
• 55:07
  compared to like a mr. Russell or, you know, it's not
• 55:11
  astounding. He's still trying to figure out
• 55:14
  his place in this world and figure out how to dress like
• 55:17
  he's a lawyer. So like he he's not penniless,
• 55:20
  which he calls himself penniless at one point and I'm like, okay,
• 55:23
  no. You're not making high society
• 55:25
  money, but I'm sure he's making like a decent middle-class wage.
• 55:29
  The very least penniless is very different to these people.
• 55:34
  Yeah. But you see cuz he starts out
• 55:37
  with like the bowler in the simple jacket and then like the
• 55:40
  longer he stays in New York, the more Or like color, the more
• 55:44
  complex as wardrobe becomes and I'm like, you're going to fall
• 55:48
  for high society in the worst way possible, dude.
• 55:51
  Yeah, I mean I almost kind of relate to because I was like
• 55:55
  low-key kinds. Also I know you just moved to
• 55:57
  New York and like try to work your way to society and like ooh
• 56:00
  that does sound kind of fun but he blew it.
• 56:06
  Let's talk about a character though.
• 56:08
  I actually liked a lot was mrs. Astor.
• 56:12
  What a great character. I loved her.
• 56:15
  She was a great character because I believe I believe the
• 56:20
  Astor's were a high-society family of New York.
• 56:24
  Yeah. Actually most of these
• 56:25
  characters are based on in, or like in reality.
• 56:29
  That's what I thought. Masters.
• 56:31
  One of them. I love her because their family.
• 56:35
  Their families technically not new money, but their new money
• 56:38
  compared to the old money. But she acts like an old money
• 56:44
  person. Yeah, well mrs.
• 56:46
  Astor's at the top of like the chain, you know, like that sort
• 56:50
  of an Ryan's like they look up when mrs.
• 56:52
  Astor, ask them to go to that ball to end.
• 56:56
  You know, Agnes was like, we have no choice but to comply,
• 56:59
  you know. Yeah mr.
• 57:00
  McAllister is like one of her lieutenants to like everyone
• 57:04
  follows the orders of mrs. Astor and her costumes like also
• 57:08
  like really reflect that specially like early on when she
• 57:11
  shows up in that all Like gold Ensemble.
• 57:14
  Beautiful. You just know like okay.
• 57:16
  Yeah the she's the one that's in charge here.
• 57:18
  Yeah. And I love kind of her wardrobe
• 57:21
  where you can really see that like them researching the period
• 57:25
  before the 1880s because it is very classic Victorian.
• 57:31
  Yeah, I feel like her wardrobe is and I appreciate that because
• 57:35
  she is, she's like, yes I am in charge, I am the Old Guard and
• 57:39
  I'm going to dress like it right.
• 57:42
  So fun, what one of my favorite parts of the show was watching
• 57:45
  like mrs. Astor's snub of Miss Russell to
• 57:49
  like that little Conflict at the end when I'll so good and then
• 57:53
  when Miss Russell was like sneaking around and mrs.
• 57:56
  Astor's house and was it Newport?
• 57:59
  I was like actually like I was stressed.
• 58:02
  I was scared for her and they're pushing her through like the
• 58:07
  kitchen like me all of a sudden like it's trying to like follow
• 58:11
  along with us. Heidi rules and like how dare
• 58:14
  she walk around mrs. Astor's Mansion like that I got
• 58:19
  to say, I know this was a thing during the Regency period where
• 58:24
  people would go visit like the Mansions of other people and
• 58:28
  like, get a tour. Yeah.
• 58:30
  But I feel like that was probably not normal from their
• 58:35
  reaction. Mrs. Astor would have been
• 58:38
  pissed if she walked in and saw Miss Russell there, that would
• 58:41
  have been terrible. Well, I character, who is
• 58:44
  treated very terribly, but I actually love a lot as mrs.
• 58:48
  Chamberlain played by Jeanne, Tripplehorn hello.
• 58:52
  Yes. Okay.
• 58:52
  She was my favorite character. First off, simply for her hat.
• 58:59
  I saw that that dark blue hat, with the Three Feathers sticking
• 59:05
  up, and I was like, I am going to like this woman.
• 59:08
  This is Chamberlain as a dope character and fee for so many To
• 59:12
  her. That makes like actually make
• 59:14
  silly visibly mad watching it. I'm like the Hoops people had to
• 59:20
  jump through during this time period.
• 59:22
  I'm like no wonder they were all taken drugs all the time.
• 59:28
  No wonder everybody had Coke available at all times my canvas
• 59:33
  Chamberlain giraffe. Miss Chamberlain's costumes for
• 59:37
  just so great. They're so beautiful.
• 59:39
  She really wears a hat super well, And it's just so cool.
• 59:43
  See Jeanne Tripplehorn play this.
• 59:45
  Like that was crazy to me. I was like, oh my gosh, I yeah,
• 59:50
  I left her. When you first see her I thought
• 59:51
  she was just going to be like a kind of a very like eccentric,
• 59:56
  like upper-class woman. I thought that was going to be
• 59:58
  her whole deal, but then you get to know her and she's like, very
• 1:00:03
  she understands her place and while she's not happy about it.
• 1:00:07
  She's very at peace with it and she's like, it is what it is.
• 1:00:10
  Yeah. She's like I'm not one.
• 1:00:12
  Person that shows up at the party that everyone liked makes
• 1:00:15
  faces at, but I still look good. And, you know, if she's super
• 1:00:18
  nice to and like, not everyone's terrible to her, but like the
• 1:00:22
  people that matter in quotes are terrible to her.
• 1:00:26
  So I really hope that she shows up in a second season in like
• 1:00:30
  maybe somehow like, I don't know breaks through a little bit
• 1:00:33
  because she's just so kind and fun and she loves art like she's
• 1:00:37
  too cool for anyone hang out with that your parents told you
• 1:00:40
  not to hang out with you know She's that person.
• 1:00:44
  Everybody thinks is bad but it was really, she just wants to be
• 1:00:47
  included. Yeah, she like writes her
• 1:00:49
  motorcycle at night and then she goes to like a charity ball, you
• 1:00:53
  know? Like, yeah, I character but I
• 1:00:58
  did not like it, but she answer. Crazy costumes, was mrs.
• 1:01:03
  Fish eye. I would not like her actually
• 1:01:07
  Atkinson, man. You play a great crazy woman.
• 1:01:12
  Insane like that tea party with the dolls.
• 1:01:17
  So weird gosh but also lucky. I was like I would go to that
• 1:01:21
  though. Same like she said, it was for
• 1:01:23
  her daughter which I'm like okay, your daughter does look
• 1:01:26
  like the appropriate age for this sort of thing but why
• 1:01:29
  didn't you invite other people her age?
• 1:01:31
  Why did you invite like full-grown adults to play dolls?
• 1:01:35
  Mrs. Fish. She like she loves to party but
• 1:01:39
  she likes to throw like younger people parties.
• 1:01:41
  I don't know. I I feel like she's like I'm
• 1:01:43
  stuck in this place to where she wants to be like young and hip
• 1:01:46
  with all the like old and new money kids.
• 1:01:48
  You know, like she's so excited like when Gladys shows up she's
• 1:01:51
  oh, Gladys Russell's here, like What's your deal?
• 1:01:54
  Lady, I know. I want to know more about her in
• 1:01:57
  the next season because I'm like, she seems like someone who
• 1:02:00
  is probably like not happy with her life, but she just Strax
• 1:02:04
  herself from that by just being like slightly eccentric.
• 1:02:10
  Yeah, I feel like What she does. I also feel like she kind of
• 1:02:15
  wants to be on like mrs. Astor is level of like having
• 1:02:19
  influence but no she can't Trump her.
• 1:02:23
  Yeah. I kind of got the vibe to she's
• 1:02:26
  trying to be a master level but like, I don't know.
• 1:02:29
  She's like that eccentric lady, who loves like throwing parties
• 1:02:32
  in Newport. Yeah.
• 1:02:34
  Until that like tea party with the dolls I thought because like
• 1:02:39
  you said, she does entertain a lot of younger people.
• 1:02:42
  And I thought she was going to be like that, like, older
• 1:02:47
  Society wife, who never had any kids.
• 1:02:50
  So she kind of wants to like play matchmaker, which is how I
• 1:02:54
  felt like the first time we saw her, but I think she's just
• 1:02:58
  crazy. I think that's what it is.
• 1:03:05
  Lizabeth diagnosis is, she's crazy.
• 1:03:12
  I love that. That's my unprofessional
• 1:03:14
  opinion. My professional opinion on this
• 1:03:17
  next character. Miss Morris, I do not like her.
• 1:03:20
  I wanted the fight this hoe in the streets.
• 1:03:23
  She is like no one deserves to lose their husband like that,
• 1:03:27
  right? But she is the architect of her
• 1:03:30
  own misfortune. Oh yeah, she should have just
• 1:03:33
  been nice to mrs. Russell, right.
• 1:03:35
  I mean, she, but like, it wasn't even just miss Russell.
• 1:03:37
  She was also, like, really mean, to Peggy to, like, just like
• 1:03:40
  her. Yeah.
• 1:03:41
  Glances to, as I do this, like, women's a racist to like, it was
• 1:03:45
  just like everything about her, was just unsettling, and just a
• 1:03:47
  way that she like took every opportunity to like, kept
• 1:03:51
  calling mrs. Russell's husband, you know, a
• 1:03:53
  murderer like yeah. Grant what happened?
• 1:03:56
  Was not great. You know and your husband
• 1:03:59
  commits suicide because of it but Like that's not mr.
• 1:04:03
  Russell's fault. No, that was his choice.
• 1:04:06
  And if he had waited like, clearly things like kind of
• 1:04:10
  cleared themselves up because that other family ended up being
• 1:04:14
  okay, right, but it's like that was his choice.
• 1:04:17
  Like don't blame them for your husband's decisions like yeah.
• 1:04:22
  So, I don't know, mrs. Morris sex and they but it kind
• 1:04:27
  of, first of all, the actress who played her Katie finneran,
• 1:04:31
  she did a great job. Job.
• 1:04:32
  She did fantastic job and her costumes, like, kind of like
• 1:04:35
  said, as far as like, she was a darker kind of like, very like,
• 1:04:39
  she followed the rules, and she's got played by the rules,
• 1:04:42
  and she'll like die by the rules.
• 1:04:43
  She'll lose her Fortune over. Like, I'm not hanging out with
• 1:04:46
  mrs. Russell like, that is my command
• 1:04:49
  by mrs. Astor and a van, Ryan's, and I'm
• 1:04:52
  not going to do it. I do.
• 1:04:53
  I love even when she goes to ask for Mercy, which I'm like, no,
• 1:04:58
  your husband like wanted you to go apologize to her.
• 1:05:01
  Earth. Like, that's what you should
• 1:05:03
  have been doing. Not still trying to be like the
• 1:05:08
  more important person and the situation, but just like those
• 1:05:11
  dark those Browns and blues. It's like, like she was trying
• 1:05:17
  to like, still make herself better than her and it's like,
• 1:05:21
  no, you should have just said you were sorry, and that you
• 1:05:23
  would love to have her over. Well, I like, yeah, this is not
• 1:05:29
  cool. I'm special about part like at
• 1:05:31
  The Red Cross meeting where like she was.
• 1:05:33
  Like, I love that actually when she was talking about mrs.
• 1:05:37
  Russell and this Russell walks and she goes, this is an
• 1:05:40
  interesting moment to walk in and I was like, oh yeah, you're
• 1:05:45
  done Miss Morris. Yeah, another character, I
• 1:05:50
  didn't like it at first, but I kind of grew to like because I'm
• 1:05:56
  like Miss Morris. She knows when to change her
• 1:05:59
  attitude, right? Profane The cousin of the van
• 1:06:05
  rijn's I ended up being okay with her character.
• 1:06:08
  I could not agree with you more. That's such a good way to put it
• 1:06:11
  at first. She was kind of, like, really
• 1:06:13
  stuck in her ways. She was never like to mean about
• 1:06:17
  it, but she was definitely like mrs.
• 1:06:19
  Fane was, like, trying to play by the rules doing what she
• 1:06:21
  knows, her cousins would want. Yeah, but I feel like by the end
• 1:06:25
  of the show, she really kind of, like, looked into her cell
• 1:06:28
  phones, like, you know, like Russell's really aren't that
• 1:06:30
  bad. I kind of actually Like their
• 1:06:32
  company, you know? Like yeah, I kind of see that
• 1:06:35
  this whole thing's a little bit too silly.
• 1:06:38
  She's not prepared to like totally like be besties with her
• 1:06:41
  but she like gets like this is a bit much and I think by the end
• 1:06:45
  of it, she was like, really kind of enjoying this.
• 1:06:47
  I think she is. And at the beginning a lot of
• 1:06:50
  time she's like pushing the blame off on to mrs.
• 1:06:54
  Morris. I was kind of confused at first
• 1:06:57
  which one of them was like the one really trying to keep our
• 1:07:01
  Mrs. Russell and I'm like, oh, it wasn't mrs.
• 1:07:04
  Morris all along and she was like, didn't want her there, but
• 1:07:08
  it was also kind of like, yeah. But we do want your money.
• 1:07:11
  Yes. Like, she recognizes that for
• 1:07:17
  these Charities to be successful, like mrs.
• 1:07:20
  Russell is someone they have to lie in and I love when her
• 1:07:23
  husband's just like let her in. She's like, or we're going to
• 1:07:28
  lose everything and she's like, you're right.
• 1:07:30
  Yes, he's Do you want to be broke because if yes then keep
• 1:07:34
  doing what you're doing? Yeah.
• 1:07:37
  Yeah but I'm her costumes were like, always really beautiful
• 1:07:40
  to. She's just like she really
• 1:07:42
  showed out with a law color by the end of it too.
• 1:07:45
  She just felt like, she just like moved into like a better
• 1:07:48
  place in society for herself. Does more comfortable, she
• 1:07:51
  really does want the best for everyone?
• 1:07:54
  Like, I really appreciate the way that like she was like,
• 1:07:57
  really like, looking out for Peggy to and looking out for
• 1:07:59
  Marion. Yeah.
• 1:08:00
  But she always asked Look out for the best for everyone.
• 1:08:03
  Even if she had to, like, do a lot of self-reflection to get
• 1:08:06
  there? I feel like she was somebody who
• 1:08:09
  really just wants to do the right thing.
• 1:08:13
  And part of that is like, oh, I have to follow the rules and
• 1:08:17
  like, during this, she kind of realized like, oh, the rules
• 1:08:21
  aren't good? The rules kind of sucks
• 1:08:24
  sometimes. Yeah, I think that was kind of
• 1:08:27
  like her. Like I I know what the right
• 1:08:30
  thing is to do, but I got to follow these rules.
• 1:08:31
  Rules. And by the end, she was like oh
• 1:08:33
  I can just do the right thing and not worry about the rules.
• 1:08:37
  And she went through this conflict like all the way to
• 1:08:39
  like the very last few minutes of the episode when she has to
• 1:08:41
  go to miss Chamberlain's house. He could tell she was like, oh
• 1:08:45
  God like please don't make me and she goes and like I feel
• 1:08:49
  like Miss faints Alec oh miss Chamberlain.
• 1:08:51
  Actually is not a bad lady. She's actually just here like
• 1:08:54
  being kind and you know sweet to these people and then also she
• 1:08:58
  saw him as chairman and be like, hey Marion actually, I think mr.
• 1:09:01
  Reich sky. Sucks and Miss vane was like,
• 1:09:04
  oh, so she's not completely crazy, you know, no II did love
• 1:09:10
  how, at the end she was like, I am here for Marianne.
• 1:09:12
  Like I'm going to make sure like she's okay, right?
• 1:09:16
  I gotta say though, her costume from episode 3.
• 1:09:21
  I the Tans. Silk-satin number, that was one
• 1:09:26
  of my favorite costumes of the show.
• 1:09:29
  Oh, wow. Because it was at A moment when
• 1:09:33
  they were about to lose everything and she definitely,
• 1:09:36
  like rolled back her wardrobe. Unlike all the other women to,
• 1:09:41
  like, kind of, I felt like it represented how much she
• 1:09:44
  understood the predicament they were in and then went from there
• 1:09:48
  to change her ways. Yeah, she readjusted, which the
• 1:09:52
  Morris is did not do and I feel like that's like such a good
• 1:09:56
  compare and contrast moment, I just loved her.
• 1:10:00
  We feel like such a Birds talking about this little like,
• 1:10:03
  what are we doing? I'm loving every second of it.
• 1:10:07
  So you who I also loved Warren McAllister, played by Nathan
• 1:10:13
  Lane, who I love this actor, but I cannot tell you what else?
• 1:10:17
  He has been in. Oh my God, call him pop up.
• 1:10:20
  And I was like, oh, it's that guy?
• 1:10:22
  Loved him, Birdcage. Hello.
• 1:10:25
  Where he was actually married to Christine Baranski in the movie.
• 1:10:29
  It was like the perfect reunions.
• 1:10:31
  It's not even late. You know, Nathan Lane, I know,
• 1:10:34
  Nathan Lane II know. I've seen him all over the place
• 1:10:37
  and I love him every time. I just can't tell you what he's
• 1:10:39
  been in. We'll have a conversation after
• 1:10:42
  will go through his IMDb later. Anyway, hold up his IMDb, I'd be
• 1:10:45
  like, oh, I love that. And that and that he's one of
• 1:10:47
  those character actors that like, you don't think about
• 1:10:51
  until he pops up in something and you're like, great, I loved
• 1:10:56
  word McAllister. He was actually like so funny.
• 1:10:59
  And I just like, this is kind of what I aspire to be in life.
• 1:11:02
  He's just like this gossipy high-energy dude who shows up
• 1:11:06
  loves to drink and just kind of like Castor to pot a little bit,
• 1:11:09
  you know? He's, he sees Miss Russell and
• 1:11:12
  he knows that hanging out with her is not what he's supposed to
• 1:11:15
  be doing because he is like, very close with Miss asked her
• 1:11:19
  but he's like, I don't know. It sounds a little bit of fun,
• 1:11:22
  though. I love him.
• 1:11:25
  He's the best dressed most modern dressed older gentleman
• 1:11:29
  in this series and he's definitely just like I am here
• 1:11:34
  to enjoy my life, no matter what.
• 1:11:36
  Anybody else says, yes, I'm going to keep mrs.
• 1:11:39
  Astor happy. But I want to see inside that
• 1:11:42
  big old house, the Russell's have been building, right?
• 1:11:45
  He's here to stir up some drama and I love it.
• 1:11:47
  He's so fun that accent the Nathan Lane, how to put on, it's
• 1:11:52
  just all of it. It's just so good.
• 1:11:54
  It's wonderful. Yeah, his costumes all were so
• 1:11:59
  great. I loved a specifically, what
• 1:12:00
  like he wore 2 episode 8 when I go to Newport it was just I've
• 1:12:06
  never really thought of Newport as like Newport has like such a
• 1:12:09
  fashion. Look like, I just, I've never
• 1:12:12
  put together, but like when you say, like Newport Fashion now,
• 1:12:15
  like in my head. I like know what that looks like
• 1:12:17
  now. And Nathan Lanes, character,
• 1:12:19
  word McAllister. Like really pulls it together.
• 1:12:22
  Yeah, I love like that. Like, tan kind of hats with the
• 1:12:25
  like Blues. Just like everything is great.
• 1:12:28
  I do love. How.
• 1:12:29
  Like like yeah, we kind of have this now, it's Resort fashion,
• 1:12:35
  but back then, it was so much more.
• 1:12:37
  Like yes, this is my Beach vacation.
• 1:12:40
  Shin wardrobe. I love a Beach vacation
• 1:12:45
  wardrobe. It was clearly nothing.
• 1:12:48
  They were in New York, they were going to wear their.
• 1:12:51
  They just weren't. It wasn't appropriate, right?
• 1:12:54
  He did it. So well.
• 1:12:58
  So next up, Elizabeth. I think we should just take a
• 1:13:00
  little dip into all the servants, because the servants
• 1:13:03
  had so many great interesting costumes on its own starting
• 1:13:08
  with. I mean, let's just talk about
• 1:13:09
  the van. Rijn Nine servants and the
• 1:13:11
  Russell servants. Yeah, Kasia actually talks about
• 1:13:15
  this a lot with Tom and Lorenzo, she said, for Bertha's household
• 1:13:22
  very few households created uniforms for the servants.
• 1:13:25
  But they were one of the few who did and we ran with the idea of
• 1:13:31
  that for Bertha's house, the rest of the houses like the
• 1:13:34
  Brooke's house, would a lot of the time.
• 1:13:37
  Give the servants fabrics for Presence.
• 1:13:41
  And then they would make their own garments.
• 1:13:43
  So they were more or less given similar Fabrics because they
• 1:13:48
  came from the same person and they would create their own
• 1:13:51
  dresses. That's the idea we used for the
• 1:13:53
  servants in the Brooks house which like, that's very like I
• 1:13:57
  feel like this kind of perfectly represents the like difference
• 1:14:00
  between like the old money and the new money.
• 1:14:04
  The old money is like they're gonna save money where they
• 1:14:08
  can't, they're like, oh here's your Christmas.
• 1:14:10
  EFT, make yourself some clothes and then the new money's like we
• 1:14:15
  want you to look exactly the way we want you to.
• 1:14:18
  So we're going to make you these fancy uniforms come in them.
• 1:14:23
  Like yeah, I feel like I'd rather work in the Russell house
• 1:14:28
  but also that's definitely a lot more high energy and I do
• 1:14:32
  appreciate that the Brooke's house.
• 1:14:34
  Again a lot of time to like sit down and have dinner together
• 1:14:37
  and just kind of like talk about their life.
• 1:14:39
  So I I like the Brooks's household.
• 1:14:43
  I felt like they were like a little family, because I'm sure
• 1:14:48
  when mr. Van rijn was still alive when
• 1:14:52
  her son was younger. She probably had a larger staff.
• 1:14:56
  There were probably more of them.
• 1:14:57
  She's like it's just me now. Like I don't like, I don't need
• 1:15:00
  a ton of people around me all the time.
• 1:15:03
  Just a two kooky on sub stairs. They don't really have too much
• 1:15:07
  to do. Oh my gosh.
• 1:15:10
  When I'm hosting, our guy's name, I don't know the young.
• 1:15:14
  The younger foot man when he had to serve them lunch in.
• 1:15:18
  Yeah I was Mike what are you doing?
• 1:15:21
  Like this, you're having lunch like why is he going through all
• 1:15:26
  this trouble? So much fun.
• 1:15:29
  I love when Agnes van rijn's, you know Butler like gets like
• 1:15:34
  employee to work across the street and she is livid she gets
• 1:15:40
  up. This is her shit.
• 1:15:41
  She loses all her composure. She runs across the street and
• 1:15:45
  just like bangs. Open the door and like sees him
• 1:15:48
  there and then she's embarrassed because she just realized that
• 1:15:50
  she like really went from a zero to a 50 real quickly but then
• 1:15:54
  like the way that she treats him for us to show where she talks
• 1:15:58
  to an ADA. Instead, it's like it's so good.
• 1:16:03
  It's one of the funniest things I'm like, don't get mad at him
• 1:16:06
  because he took a freelance job. Like yeah.
• 1:16:10
  This show is a freelance job. But like once again, I just feel
• 1:16:17
  like if people will be a little bit more open with their
• 1:16:19
  communication and be like, hey, I got offered a ton of money to
• 1:16:23
  just work across the street for a couple hours.
• 1:16:26
  Would you please let me go she priced illicit.
• 1:16:29
  No. But like, at least having a
• 1:16:30
  conversation first, I just feel like go a long way with with at
• 1:16:34
  least Aunt Agnes, but whatever, I agree.
• 1:16:38
  But I feel like I have been unhappy either way but clearly
• 1:16:43
  she's not firing anybody because she keeps her nasty handmade
• 1:16:49
  well, her lady's name. She keeps her mean.
• 1:16:52
  Lady's name strong who I do not like Armstrong and like I really
• 1:16:56
  wanted to like her to like we saw this moment where like she
• 1:16:59
  like she really does care for like the van Ryan Brooks family,
• 1:17:04
  like she wants to do the best for them and then at the end of
• 1:17:07
  the day, you think she's really put together.
• 1:17:08
  But then she goes home and she She has to take care of her mom
• 1:17:12
  and clearly like you could tell like that Armstrong's really
• 1:17:15
  over. It seems really she does not
• 1:17:18
  love her mom. Yeah.
• 1:17:20
  But then she's like so terrible toward Peggy.
• 1:17:23
  You're like okay This Racist lady.
• 1:17:25
  I'm just yeah. So I really want to like her but
• 1:17:28
  I don't you can't, you can't. But I love what cautious is to
• 1:17:33
  tell me Lorenzo about the servants.
• 1:17:36
  She said, even though we are telling the story of the H, it's
• 1:17:41
  crucially important to present the world of the working class
• 1:17:45
  with equal due respect as we represent all other principles
• 1:17:50
  in the very wealthy world. I think that we really try to
• 1:17:54
  just present the world as it was.
• 1:17:57
  And then tell the story as requested by the creators, which
• 1:18:02
  is like, yeah, they did. Like, they gave them just as
• 1:18:05
  much attention as they did, everybody else?
• 1:18:09
  Yeah. No, I think That's great.
• 1:18:11
  And in time about the Russell family servants, such
• 1:18:14
  interesting characters, I mean, the French chef who ended up
• 1:18:19
  being from Kansas love that, he was one of my favorites and then
• 1:18:24
  the fact that he was from Kansas, I was like this is
• 1:18:26
  hilarious, so good and then we have Miss Turner.
• 1:18:31
  She was like Miss Turner from the start the probably not
• 1:18:35
  shocking to you but to her me either. - I don't know.
• 1:18:44
  I thought she was cool. I just she was so she was
• 1:18:47
  interesting. I'm not sad that she's gone, but
• 1:18:50
  I was okay with her until she tried to sleep with mr.
• 1:18:54
  Russell and got pissed off because he said no.
• 1:18:58
  Yeah, that was like, episode two or three to it was pretty quick.
• 1:19:01
  Yeah, it's like honey just be happy.
• 1:19:04
  You have a good job. Well, I like yeah, I was just
• 1:19:08
  confused. I was like why?
• 1:19:10
  Well, I feel like, because she talked about being, like the
• 1:19:15
  made of another very wealthy family, whose husband died.
• 1:19:20
  And that's why she like, they are rid of her.
• 1:19:24
  I feel like she was probably, also the Mistress of that other
• 1:19:29
  husband and that's why she get she got, let go as the ladies
• 1:19:34
  made after he was dead. Ooh, well, I don't know, I guess
• 1:19:39
  I hope she does return. So we could get a little bit
• 1:19:41
  more information. He does too because I'm like,
• 1:19:44
  hmm, you probably did this before you just want like more
• 1:19:49
  money more. She's once more and it's like
• 1:19:53
  that's not how you're going to get it, not here.
• 1:19:56
  Well, Elizabeth we are actually taking one more break a little
• 1:20:00
  bit of a longer episode. So we need to take a quick break
• 1:20:03
  yourself together and we're going to finish this out.
• 1:20:05
  Yes. Elizabeth, are you ready for a
• 1:20:33
  ball? Spencer, we need a ball.
• 1:20:38
  We haven't had a ball in a while.
• 1:20:39
  It's A while and I'm ready, Miss Russell is finally out in
• 1:20:44
  society and everyone looks their best, and this is Astor's
• 1:20:49
  request. It's so so good.
• 1:20:53
  Everyone looks so great. I love saying mrs.
• 1:20:57
  Russell Miss Esther together. Obviously, this is what not what
• 1:21:01
  they wanted, but seeing them together.
• 1:21:04
  It's just like, I just love this whole environment where it's
• 1:21:07
  just as Festival of everyone just giving each other.
• 1:21:10
  Oz when I recite a room, clearly disapproving of everyone in this
• 1:21:14
  room. Like we all know each other
• 1:21:16
  should not be here. Yeah.
• 1:21:19
  And like, even like Agnes van rijn and Ada, they're just like
• 1:21:24
  casting and corner and you just see like Agnes like trying to
• 1:21:27
  smile everyone but she could barely even squeak out a smile.
• 1:21:30
  Let's yeah, so good. You'll of Ada's like, I want to
• 1:21:33
  see inside the house. Like what hate.
• 1:21:36
  It was ready. She's like, I'm ready.
• 1:21:38
  Let's go. I'm excited to go to Yeah, I'm
• 1:21:41
  everyone just looks their best. I will say though, I'm not crazy
• 1:21:45
  about Marian stress me either. I felt like that was very
• 1:21:50
  anticlimactic for her storyline. Well, to be fair.
• 1:21:54
  She just thought she was gonna get married two hours ago.
• 1:21:57
  So I think putting on her best dress, wasn't your top of mine.
• 1:22:00
  I just don't like that. Red floof in the center of it.
• 1:22:02
  I don't like that. I want to rip it off.
• 1:22:05
  I felt like they were kind of trying to pull her back to that
• 1:22:07
  country girl, but I'm like that's not She needed.
• 1:22:11
  Yeah, don't like that. It's just kind of walk through
• 1:22:14
  two characters, Miss Aster, reflect the skull like a queen
• 1:22:18
  and literally looking like she's the queen and I think that was
• 1:22:21
  intentional. She wanted to show up and remind
• 1:22:23
  everybody that this is happening because she let it happen.
• 1:22:27
  Yes. And she is, she's literally only
• 1:22:30
  doing it because she does not want her daughter to hate her
• 1:22:33
  and ignore her. Yeah.
• 1:22:34
  Otherwise she would be at home watching TV in their PJs.
• 1:22:38
  Yeah. And The Russell looks great,
• 1:22:41
  too, that dress, if like the black Leaf like embroidery on
• 1:22:45
  it. It's just, it's stunning, the
• 1:22:48
  asymmetry of that sleeve so good.
• 1:22:54
  But what I was really looking forward to is seeing and Agnes
• 1:22:57
  like, step out. What would she look like?
• 1:22:59
  Because she stayed at home the entire season.
• 1:23:03
  I don't think we see her outside that house, with the exception
• 1:23:07
  of her storming, over to the Restless.
• 1:23:10
  We don't see her outside that house till this moment and she's
• 1:23:14
  just like together as a Sister's Day.
• 1:23:17
  Look, very beautiful day like each have their own style.
• 1:23:22
  Agnes is wearing like her signature purple.
• 1:23:24
  I'm pretty sure purples. Her color.
• 1:23:26
  She definitely leans on purple. A lot and it looks great on her
• 1:23:30
  Ada's and her like orange yellow.
• 1:23:33
  Lookin just amazing and adorable like the time of her life right
• 1:23:39
  now? Yeah.
• 1:23:40
  She's the son, Jesus. She's like, I'm just happy to be
• 1:23:43
  here. Like, she doesn't really care
• 1:23:44
  about the drama. She's like, oh, ball how fun?
• 1:23:47
  Yeah, it's just so fun. Seeing them out together but
• 1:23:51
  then we have the quadrille, the quadrille.
• 1:23:55
  This was amazing. I knew they were going to have
• 1:23:57
  costumes. I was not expecting this like
• 1:24:01
  Marie Antoinette with the wigs and the the panier skirts.
• 1:24:07
  Like it was amazing. So beautiful and Gladys looks
• 1:24:12
  stunning with like that white wig.
• 1:24:14
  And the makeup everything I was like, okay?
• 1:24:16
  Gladys, like she's really stepping out.
• 1:24:19
  This is her coming out as we would say, I love.
• 1:24:23
  Also, when she's leaving after the quadro, when she's leaving
• 1:24:26
  to change and mr. Van rijn's, like, let's have a
• 1:24:28
  dance right now and she's like, sir, I need to change.
• 1:24:32
  You can wait. We got that part made me so mad
• 1:24:35
  because at first I feel like she was like, okay, I guess I should
• 1:24:38
  dance with him and then she's like, no.
• 1:24:40
  Not dancing with you until I change.
• 1:24:43
  And I was like, mr. Van Ryan, can you please piss
• 1:24:45
  off and go stand over there and wait your turn.
• 1:24:48
  Like oh yeah. Maybe that's when I was
• 1:24:50
  officially done with him as a character that exact moment.
• 1:24:53
  I was like, I don't like this guy.
• 1:24:55
  I'm so sorry. I'm so scared for her.
• 1:24:57
  I'm scared. She's gonna be trapped by him
• 1:24:59
  because by the end of the episode, they're kind of cozy.
• 1:25:02
  I know. Oh, it makes me so mad.
• 1:25:06
  Yeah, just a costumes in his ball.
• 1:25:08
  Was worth the wait this entire Finale was great.
• 1:25:12
  Honestly, there's so many costumes is so many episodes
• 1:25:14
  that we want to talk about but I don't think we can have enough
• 1:25:18
  time. So maybe we're going to have to
• 1:25:19
  do like a little patreon moment where we just really dive into
• 1:25:23
  each of these episodes, but that sounds like a great idea.
• 1:25:26
  But yeah, this was stunning. Brilliant well-researched.
• 1:25:33
  I cannot say enough good things about this series and for a TV
• 1:25:38
  series just about the lives of rich.
• 1:25:40
  People in 1880s, New York, it's fascinating, you're like on the
• 1:25:45
  edge of your seat the whole time, right?
• 1:25:47
  The concept really is nothing special but it turned out.
• 1:25:52
  It's one of my favorite shows I watched in a long time and this
• 1:25:56
  is been one of my favorite podcast episodes.
• 1:25:58
  Like I just really enjoyed preparing for this episode
• 1:26:02
  moderately, family friendly. So if you have little ones like
• 1:26:05
  you can pop this on and not worry too much, right?
• 1:26:09
  It was like the elite opposite of I was expecting like a bridge
• 1:26:12
  or ten Vibe you know like lots of lots of horniness and zero
• 1:26:17
  horniness zero which I don't know how I feel about that but
• 1:26:21
  it's okay. It's over.
• 1:26:22
  Now I'm okay with it. I'm just like oh okay just some
• 1:26:27
  good old family fun watching people give each other smirks
• 1:26:31
  and talk underneath their breath and you know just a lot of
• 1:26:36
  passive aggressiveness and I love it.
• 1:26:38
  People be rude. The most polite way possible.
• 1:26:44
  Well, as with I think it's time for favorite game.
• 1:26:46
  Are you ready? I'm ready at the music.
• 1:26:50
  Daniel, the one costume to rule them all.
• 1:26:59
  Okay, so my favorite costume to rule them all.
• 1:27:02
  This was actually a hard one because Cerner is 5,000 plus
• 1:27:05
  costumes. Yeah and for me it was almost
• 1:27:08
  like I probably have a favorite costume per character but my
• 1:27:13
  absolute favorite costume was that very first costume?
• 1:27:17
  We see mrs. Russell and when she just walks
• 1:27:19
  through her house, doesn't take a moment to even enjoyed giant
• 1:27:23
  chandelier that's being installed.
• 1:27:26
  She just walks in, shows out that blue.
• 1:27:29
  With the tassels on it and the hat.
• 1:27:31
  Everything about it is just, it's just so good.
• 1:27:35
  It's so good. I concur Spencer.
• 1:27:38
  I can't, I can't. I couldn't figure out anything
• 1:27:41
  to top that anything that has as big an impact.
• 1:27:46
  Like that's the thing about the costumes, like they all had
• 1:27:49
  impact on the stories and the characters and it's like they
• 1:27:54
  were all stand out and I feel like this was just one of the
• 1:27:57
  ones that stood out the most Yeah, this one to me is just
• 1:28:01
  like this, like this one should be a museum exhibitions but
• 1:28:05
  honestly any of them could share.
• 1:28:08
  I'm just trying to think back like mrs.
• 1:28:10
  Astor's, like Queen look from the last episode that also was
• 1:28:13
  a, that was a front-runner. Yeah.
• 1:28:19
  Mrs. Chamberlain's, outfit and hat from the first episode.
• 1:28:23
  I almost chose that, but I'm just at like plays that baby
• 1:28:28
  blue. Dress with the matching coat
• 1:28:32
  that goes over it, that she just takes things off.
• 1:28:35
  As she's coming through the house.
• 1:28:37
  It's like, oh, the just how it acted in the environment.
• 1:28:41
  How it looked on her? Like amazing?
• 1:28:44
  It was just great Elizabeth, that's our time.
• 1:28:48
  But I just, I just want to talk about the show forever, but at
• 1:28:52
  some point we do have to move. I love the Gilded Age so much,
• 1:28:56
  but I think what we love to do on this a show.
• 1:28:59
  Now I'm starting to realize is really just like, dude, Jurassic
• 1:29:02
  Whiplash changes between our genres.
• 1:29:05
  We went from Batman to the Gilded Age and where we going
• 1:29:09
  next Elizabeth next week? We are watching a new personal
• 1:29:14
  favorite of mine Spider-Man. No way home that Spencer.
• 1:29:22
  Could, you could you just give the guests a little hint of the
• 1:29:25
  excitement? We have planned for next week?
• 1:29:28
  Yeah. Next week of Excited.
• 1:29:29
  We're having one of my good friends on the episode to kind
• 1:29:32
  of help us break down the costumes.
• 1:29:35
  Her name is Lexi Silverstein. She has her own podcast, her own
• 1:29:40
  podcast called Alexa fi the place where fashion.
• 1:29:42
  She's also probably Andrew Garfield's biggest fan.
• 1:29:46
  So really, she's just joining us for her.
• 1:29:49
  Andrew Garfield. Expertise wait to hear those
• 1:29:54
  expertise. I'm so excited.
• 1:29:57
  Everybody have a fantastic. Weak, I can't wait.
• 1:30:01
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• 1:30:07
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• 1:30:12
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• 1:30:15
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  interviews, head over to the art of costume.com a Blog dedicated
• 1:30:48
  to highlighting the best and costume design.
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  And 32, once that I wonder if down could hear it with my new
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  pop filter. He's so aggressively convinced
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  me the by. I'm sure it helps.
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  It helps immensely what Daniel says, go Spencer.
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  That's the one thing we know about this podcast, whatever.
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  He's priori using this. For the bloopers, I'm going to
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  stop talking because I know Dan. I'm now recording Elizabeth.
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  I'm now. Recording three, two, one step.
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  Oh actually got a good snap that time you did.
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  I feel like I did it? I'm just I'm having such a hard
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  time with my new pop filter. Know having trouble with their
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  pop filter. I'm really struggling.
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  Daniel really threw me off my game this week.
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  I'm sure he's got a deal. Bad for you.