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297: Sister Wives Recap - Used To Be Lovers (S20 E11) · Reality TV Cringe

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Speaker 1: I gotta ask you, Beatrice, although I already have a
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Speaker 1: feeling what you're gonna say, But like, do you have
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Speaker 1: any take ways from this most recent episode of Sister Wives.
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Speaker 2: I just don't appreciate how warm and kind of loving
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Speaker 2: Janelle was with Cody during his apology, kind of was giving,
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Speaker 2: like if the Tables returned, Janelle would take him back.
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Speaker 2: That was my vibe. Well, how did that make you feel?
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Speaker 2: It made me mad? Why it made me mad? Because
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Speaker 2: I'm like, why, he's literally the worst and this is
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Speaker 2: just a performance for TLC. I don't think he means
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Speaker 2: much of it. I just didn't appreciate it. Okay, So
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Speaker 2: my takeaway is the complete opposite. I think bad.
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Speaker 1: Yeah, and I really want if you guys are watching
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Speaker 1: on YouTube, for y'all to drop in in the comments
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Speaker 1: and give your opinion here, like who are you vibing
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Speaker 1: with in terms of opinions? Because for me, I thought
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Speaker 1: it was really sweet. I thought the entire exchange felt authentic.
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Speaker 1: Ew I thought Cody came across kind of heart felt
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Speaker 1: and like he was meaning what he was saying. Now, No,
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Speaker 1: I'm not, you know I'm not, But like, I couldn't
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Speaker 1: help but put myself into Janelle's position, because you know,
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Speaker 1: I've had a million husbands, and I can see one
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Speaker 1: of those men rolling up on me wanting to have
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Speaker 1: like one last discussion for closure. And I could see
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Speaker 1: myself in Janelle's position being very gracious and very warm,
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Speaker 1: irrespective of all the things that happened in my previous relationships,
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Speaker 1: because like, I'm not hung up about it. If anything,
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Speaker 1: I'm indifferent about it. But I don't want there to
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Speaker 1: be bad blood. So I could relate to Janelle. And
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Speaker 1: I know you said that there were a lot of
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Speaker 1: people out there on the internets who were saying that
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Speaker 1: Janelle was giving him heart eyes and goo gook gaga energy.
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Speaker 2: I didn't get that at all.
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Speaker 1: I just thought it was like two old lovers reconnecting,
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Speaker 1: talking it out and like just leaving on good terms.
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Speaker 1: Now does Cody deserve it?
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Speaker 2: No? He does not.
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Speaker 1: Is Cody toxic? Is Robin a demon?
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Speaker 2: Yes? They are?
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Speaker 1: Yeah, but in this moment, I don't know. I had
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Speaker 1: a little tear, like when he was like what when
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Speaker 1: he said we started in tenderness and sweetness. I swear
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Speaker 1: to god, there was a darn my shut because I
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Speaker 1: felt like he meant up, we will talk about it
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Speaker 1: when we get there. But what did you guys think?
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Speaker 2: Were you? Was he just lying?
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Speaker 1: Was Janelle just giving him the Google eyes? Or was
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Speaker 1: it like just a final goodbye, Like let's leave this
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Speaker 1: in a good place.
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Speaker 2: God, We're gonna have a lot to talk about. We're
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Speaker 2: gonna fight.
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Speaker 1: Okay, Well, then, without further ado, let's get into sister.
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Speaker 1: I have Season twenty, episode eleven and tattooed.
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Speaker 2: Used to be lovers? Oh God, which is basically the
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Speaker 2: theme of this whole episode. I mean, we start off
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Speaker 2: with Mary and her lesbian friend Hamber going to a
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Speaker 2: Vegas speed dating event, and honestly, like I was pretty
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Speaker 2: bored yeah watching this, because it's not like there was
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Speaker 2: much that came out of it. I mean, there's nobody
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Speaker 2: that Amber and Mary like at this speed dating event.
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Speaker 2: There's nobody that they think is attracted. Everybody was chopped there.
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Speaker 2: I mean everybody was sorry. They were also like a
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Speaker 2: lot of younger people, like it wasn't no offense, but
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Speaker 2: like there wasn't a lot of people in Mary's citizens
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Speaker 2: that you want to say, you citizen yet almost not
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Speaker 2: like me, right, no, you're in your thirties, that's right.
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Speaker 1: Yeah, but yeah, there were just there weren't a lot
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Speaker 1: of contenders, yeah, in the group as.
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Speaker 2: Far as I could tell. And there wasn't much that
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Speaker 2: came out of this scene really with Mary and Amber.
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Speaker 2: I mean they kind of talked about, like Mary with
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Speaker 2: dating and how it's awkward, and I think she did
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Speaker 2: like some questionnaire and one of the questions was like,
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Speaker 2: do you like kinky sucks? And Mary's like no.
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Speaker 1: She seemed offended by the question, but then she said
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Speaker 1: it's not like I would know, yeah, I mean, which
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Speaker 1: is a callback, yeah to all of our discussions about
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Speaker 1: what kind of lover Cody Brown is, especially after reading Christine's.
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Speaker 2: Book, we know we ate shit.
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Speaker 1: He hates shit, So I don't think Mary has ever
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Speaker 1: had good sex, and I thought her friend, what's her name, Amber,
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Speaker 1: I thought Amber saying something like, well, if you had it,
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Speaker 1: then maybe you would rate it.
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Speaker 2: Yes, Yeah, you just don't know. No, she does not know.
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Speaker 2: And we also know that Mary matched with Ron at
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Speaker 2: the previous speed dating event, so I think she's got
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Speaker 2: him on her mind. But she's also like looking for
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Speaker 2: other people, but there's not a lot of people here.
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Speaker 2: She talks about being picky, and she has a right
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Speaker 2: to be picky because you know, some man has to
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Speaker 2: be worthy of being in Mary Brown's presence.
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Speaker 1: Right, And she's not looking for the perfect human yeah,
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Speaker 1: and just the perfect human for her, which is fair.
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Speaker 1: I don't know if that person exis. Yeah, I think
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Speaker 1: that Mary. I don't know if she's really doing this
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Speaker 1: dating thing for real. I'm wondering if it's a storyline
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Speaker 1: or just a story. But if she is looking for somebody,
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Speaker 1: I hope that she finds somebody who cherishes her, because
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Speaker 1: I truly don't think she knows what it's like to
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Speaker 1: be cherished and deeply loved.
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Speaker 2: Yeah.
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Speaker 1: I think once she gets into a relationship where she
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Speaker 1: has that, it's going to change her as a person,
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Speaker 1: like she doesn't even know what she needs, what to
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Speaker 1: ask for, but when she gets it, and I do
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Speaker 1: hope she does, like it's going to just blow her mind.
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Speaker 2: Yeah, And I do think at Mary's core, like that's
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Speaker 2: all she wants, yes, a lover, a friend to be
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Speaker 2: with forever. So I do hope she finds that because
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Speaker 2: maybe it will make her a better person and less mean.
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Speaker 1: But you know, well, when you get your back blown out,
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Speaker 1: I mean, it puts you in a good mood.
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Speaker 2: I'm just saying, oh yeah. And then there was like
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Speaker 2: a little conversation about flirting in polygamy with regards to
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Speaker 2: like flirting and dating, and we have that comment from
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Speaker 2: Robin being like, oh my god, I must be so
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Speaker 2: difficult to date nowadays. I feel so for people who
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Speaker 2: have to date nowadays.
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Speaker 1: I e.
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Speaker 2: Mary such a mean girl comment, very much so, like
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Speaker 2: when you're in a happy marriage, like whatever. But I
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Speaker 2: thought it was interesting that Mary was talking about like
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Speaker 2: how you shouldn't flirt at all in polygamy, and I'm like,
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Speaker 2: didn't you have a full fledged, like emotional affair with
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Speaker 2: somebody that you were flirting with online while in polygamy?
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Speaker 2: Like okay, yes, I just I can't. Right then we
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Speaker 2: have Christine and David playing pickleball. Girl, I am so
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Speaker 2: bored with these two.
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Speaker 1: I know this is just to set up this scene
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Speaker 1: where we talk about the fact that Cody wants to
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Speaker 1: come into town on his apology tour and discuss how
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Speaker 1: much Christine doesn't want to be a part of that.
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Speaker 1: But obviously she's gonna have to do it, because by
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Speaker 1: the end of the scene she's going to concede to it.
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Speaker 1: But I'm just like, oh my god, is there nothing
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Speaker 1: going on in your life that's fun. I know you've
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Speaker 1: got daughters who are pregnant. I know maybe Aspen doesn't
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Speaker 1: want to be on television, but like you got other
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Speaker 1: family members are There's the lawsuit we could be talking about.
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Speaker 1: We know you're suing Cody Brown.
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Speaker 2: But it's just like, okay, pickleball. I know we're gonna
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Speaker 2: do pickleball with David, and I'm just like, I can't
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Speaker 2: with pickleball because I feel like everybody in a certain
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Speaker 2: h demographic goes into playing pickleball. What My grandpa plays
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Speaker 2: pickleball and he's like super competitive with it, Like okay,
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Speaker 2: Like I texted him over Thanksgiving I'm like, what'd you
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Speaker 2: guys do? And he's like, I played pickleball. I'm funny.
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Speaker 1: Yeah, I'm just familiar with pickleball because like everybody in
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Speaker 1: the Real Housewives franchises start playing pickleball, especially like in
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Speaker 1: California or whatever.
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Speaker 2: Cringe, very cringe, but like whatever. I did appreciate Christine
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Speaker 2: talking about her suspicions with Cody and how she doesn't
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Speaker 2: know what his motive would be with the apology and
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Speaker 2: she can't trust him and she feels like he will
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Speaker 2: be mean. I also appreciated that David was advocating for
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Speaker 2: her to have healthy communication with him because she's got
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Speaker 2: kids with him, and so in order for him to
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Speaker 2: kind of bridge the gap, like Christine needs to be
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Speaker 2: able to talk with Cody cordially. So I do appreciate that.
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Speaker 2: But other than that, there's nothing else.
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Speaker 1: Here, Yes, and I think one like little nuance there was.
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Speaker 1: He also said something like, if you want your kids
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Speaker 1: to have a good relationship with him, then you should
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Speaker 1: probably have a good relationship with him, and I thought
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Speaker 1: that that was very enlightened. Yes, Like we are dealing
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Speaker 1: with Cody the Brown, right, We're dealing with an absolute asshole. Yeah,
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Speaker 1: so who knows what's going to happen.
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Speaker 2: Yes, And then we get to the actual apology with
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Speaker 2: Cody and Janelle. And so they go to some little
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Speaker 2: restaurant cantina. He pulls out her chair for her. He's
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Speaker 2: acting very nice, very cordial. He's a little nervous about
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Speaker 2: it because it's his first stop on this apology tour,
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Speaker 2: and he's got a lot to say. He's got a
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Speaker 2: list of what to apologize for. So what were your thoughts.
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Speaker 1: Well, I thought they were very mature in how they
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Speaker 1: handled it. I thought he came in with the right energy.
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Speaker 1: He's obviously trying to make amends. It feels like he
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Speaker 1: wants this to go. Well, I thought, what did he
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Speaker 1: say in specific? At the beginning, He's like, I want
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Speaker 1: to apologize, but I don't want to fight, Yes, which
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Speaker 1: to me kind of means I want to apologize, but
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Speaker 1: I don't want her to actually reply to that apology
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Speaker 1: retort in any way or take my inventory about all
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Speaker 1: the shit that I did wrong.
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Speaker 2: I just want her to say I forgive you, yeah,
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Speaker 2: and move on exact.
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Speaker 1: So like that's kind of that's kind of his position
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Speaker 1: going into it, which is Cody Brown. But I just
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Speaker 1: I thought, Janelle, Yeah, like I get it. I get
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Speaker 1: what you're saying. Like, Janelle, this man stole from the family.
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Speaker 1: But then then again, maybe you helped him to do that.
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Speaker 1: This man hurts your children, that this man is still
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Speaker 1: hurting your children in particular, this man is hurting Maddie,
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Speaker 1: who you live with, exactly. I was waiting during this
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Speaker 1: whole conversation, and I'm just gonna.
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Speaker 2: Jump all around kaya.
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Speaker 1: I was waiting for him to ask about Maddie that see,
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Speaker 1: and his grandkids and his family, mchalthe Tony, anybody else
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Speaker 1: but just Janelle. And maybe he did and maybe we
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Speaker 1: just didn't see it. But if I'm Janelle, that's gonna
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Speaker 1: hurt me knowing that you don't even give a shit
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Speaker 1: about my kids. And so in that regard, I was like, Jane,
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Speaker 1: what are you doing?
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Speaker 2: That was my thing? Okay, that was my thing? Like
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Speaker 2: that was exactly how I felt. I'm like, why aren't
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Speaker 2: you bringing up your kids like at all? Like why
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Speaker 2: aren't you talking about like well, Cody. I appreciate the apology,
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Speaker 2: which when it was about them, I could respect most
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Speaker 2: of it, and I could understand that this was like
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Speaker 2: a good conversation between two ex lovers and people who
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Speaker 2: have shared thirty plus years of their lives together. Like
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Speaker 2: I respect that part when it comes to Janelle and
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Speaker 2: her kids, like the fact that it wasn't really mentioned
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Speaker 2: at all, and Janelle wasn't talking to the fact that
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Speaker 2: Cody has no relationship with most of the older kids,
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Speaker 2: Like that bothered me a bit, because if Janelle wants
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Speaker 2: to claim that her kids are the most important to her,
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Speaker 2: I'm like, why isn't that at the forefront? Sure?
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Speaker 1: And then there's like the very important reality that Garrison
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Speaker 1: is no longer with us, and I can only put
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Speaker 1: myself into her situation. And if that were me and
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Speaker 1: my acts, and I know that my son called production
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Speaker 1: on the night of his passing and that he was
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Speaker 1: terribly upset, specifically about the show and his relationship with
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Speaker 1: his father, Like I would never want to see that
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Speaker 1: person again. And so I do admit I'm going back
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Speaker 1: and forth here with Janelle, but like maybe she understands
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Speaker 1: there's nothing she can do about that. I guess maybe
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Speaker 1: she's in her fifties and she's like, you know what,
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Speaker 1: this is still the father of my children, and I
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Speaker 1: still want to be able to go to a reunion
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Speaker 1: every year. I would love to be able to see
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Speaker 1: people and like not have it be a problem. And
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Speaker 1: so she's trying to do the best with what she's got.
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Speaker 1: I don't know. I didn't see google eyes, google eyes.
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Speaker 2: I didn't see hearts in her eyes.
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Speaker 1: I saw two kids remembering when they got married. I
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Speaker 1: thought it was so interesting hearing him talk about her
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Speaker 1: being unsafe in those first couple of years, because they're
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Speaker 1: talking about Mary bitch. They're talking specifically about how Mary
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Speaker 1: treated Janelle. At now entering into this relationship with Cody
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Speaker 1: and Mary thinking it's going to be so great being
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Speaker 1: very optimistic, like she's just converted from mainstream LDS and
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Speaker 1: to the AUB So she's got all these ideas about
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Speaker 1: what life's going to be like. And then she gets
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Speaker 1: into the trailer and Mary proceeds to start tearing her apart. Yeah,
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Speaker 1: like she can't have the things in the kitchen where
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Speaker 1: she wants them, she can't have a voice in the relationship.
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Speaker 1: And it sounds like Cody in this moment is acknowledging
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Speaker 1: like I kind of left you out to hang.
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Speaker 2: Yeah, I kind of. I saw obviously that it.
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Speaker 1: Was very difficult for you and I didn't have your back,
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Speaker 1: and so I did feel like they were going back
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Speaker 1: in time in those moments. I did too, and I
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Speaker 1: think Janelle really felt that and maybe even needed that
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Speaker 1: to continue healing. Now, Yeah, so I thought.
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Speaker 2: That was really great. I did two. I mean, I
15:49
Speaker 2: did appreciate that. And he did say something to the
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Speaker 2: effect of like, if I had been better to you
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Speaker 2: in those early years, like maybe things would have been
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Speaker 2: easier on us, and Janelle echoes out and she's like,
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Speaker 2: you know, if you had had my back, you know,
16:02
Speaker 2: we wouldn't have had so many problems, we wouldn't have
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Speaker 2: struggled so much in those earlier years. So like, I
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Speaker 2: did appreciate those moments. It's just hard for me to
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Speaker 2: see Cody say stuff like this and think that it's genuine,
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Speaker 2: like because Cody also made a comment saying something like, uh,
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Speaker 2: I'm sorry for being angry, but aren't you glad that
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Speaker 2: I was angry because actually was a good thing because
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Speaker 2: it means that I cared about you and I wasn't
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Speaker 2: apathetic to our relationship. And so it's like those little
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Speaker 2: comments where I'm like, it wasn't a good thing for
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Speaker 2: you to be angry. I don't care if that meant
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Speaker 2: that you cared. It wasn't good period, right like that,
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Speaker 2: you don't need to try and justify your anger here
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Speaker 2: and say that it was actually because I cared. It's
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Speaker 2: actually because I love you very much. That's why I
16:41
Speaker 2: was spewing obscenities and being abusive and being abusive. You know.
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Speaker 2: It's like comments like that where I'm like, hmm, this
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Speaker 2: feels really rehearsed to me. On Cody's behalf, maybe there's
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Speaker 2: some nuggets of like authenticity.
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Speaker 1: I don't know. When he was on the couch and
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Speaker 1: he was talking about well, he was saying at the table,
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Speaker 1: like I wish we would have just preserved the little.
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Speaker 2: Bubble of us.
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Speaker 1: I wish we had just held that kind of sacred
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Speaker 1: for each other as opposed to like what he was doing.
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Speaker 1: And Janelle talked about this as well, which was a
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Speaker 1: focus on the family, right, like a focus on growing,
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Speaker 1: a focus on like all of the wives, you know,
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Speaker 1: as opposed to nurturing the relationships monogamously, because they talk
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Speaker 1: about that in the early season. They did they're polygamous,
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Speaker 1: but they're monogamous in their own relationships, like they're focusing
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Speaker 1: on that and building in those individual relationships. Well, that
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Speaker 1: wasn't happening right with Janelle, and I just really felt
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Speaker 1: for her as a young woman. I don't know, I
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Speaker 1: think she's a little older than Mary, so maybe she's
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Speaker 1: twenty four or whatever when she's marrying Cody Brown with
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Speaker 1: stars in her eyes, just to enter in like a
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Speaker 1: toxic and what sounds to be an abusive relationship. I
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Speaker 1: just when he was sitting on the couch and he
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Speaker 1: was like there was tenderness, you know, there was sweetness. Yeah,
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Speaker 1: there was always that with Janelle, like he was close
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Speaker 1: to tears. To me, that's authentic. I think two things
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Speaker 1: can be true at once. I think he can be
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Speaker 1: an absolute asshole. I think he can be narcissistic, but
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Speaker 1: I think there's a part of him that can also
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Speaker 1: access real feelings and some clarity sometimes, especially when he
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Speaker 1: feels safe, when he feels like he's not going to
18:22
Speaker 1: be attacked if he's vulnerable. And that's what Janelle gave
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Speaker 1: him in that moment, like I'm not here to attack you,
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Speaker 1: Like I don't care enough to attack you right now.
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Speaker 1: I'm just here to see what you're here to tell me.
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Speaker 1: And so it was safe enough for him to say
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Speaker 1: more and apologize and maybe even go deeper.
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Speaker 2: I could see that, and I mean, I will say,
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Speaker 2: during this whole conversation between the two of them, I
18:45
Speaker 2: did feel like Janelle probably was his favorite until Robin
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Speaker 2: came along. I feel like he was the most amiable
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Speaker 2: with her. I feel like even some people debate on
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Speaker 2: whether or not like him and Janelle had this like
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Speaker 2: crazy sexual romance or whatever, but I feel like at
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Speaker 2: the baseline they were best friends. Like they had a
19:06
Speaker 2: good system going, Like they communicated pretty well with each other.
19:10
Speaker 2: She wasn't always well I don't know, I don't know
19:13
Speaker 2: the earlier years, but like she wasn't as volatile as
19:15
Speaker 2: like somebody like Mary or even Christine, who is a
19:18
Speaker 2: bit hot headed and a bit annoying. So like I
19:22
Speaker 2: could see the connection between the two of them, what
19:25
Speaker 2: they had, and I did appreciate it at the end
19:27
Speaker 2: of it, like Janelle's saying something like yeah, like I'm
19:30
Speaker 2: gonna be nice to him because we shared thirty years together,
19:34
Speaker 2: Like this is somebody that I shared so much of
19:36
Speaker 2: my life with, Like we have all these children together,
19:38
Speaker 2: Like of course, it's nice to have this conversation. I'm
19:42
Speaker 2: gonna be cordial and I'm going to take it at
19:44
Speaker 2: face value. I don't know. I just felt like she
19:47
Speaker 2: was being a little too nice though, with everything that
19:49
Speaker 2: went on, with everything that was said.
19:51
Speaker 1: But if she had started arguing, how would have that
19:55
Speaker 1: changed the tone of the conversation And like, how would
19:57
Speaker 1: that disturbed her if she started saying, Okay, but what
20:00
Speaker 1: about X Y. And See, he doesn't have the capacity
20:04
Speaker 1: to deal with it. He doesn't have the capacity to
20:07
Speaker 1: acknowledge his part in anything other than what he has
20:11
Speaker 1: taken the time, Like he has rehearsed this, he has
20:14
Speaker 1: taken the time to think about what he can apologize
20:16
Speaker 1: for that might be meaningful, like anything else that she
20:19
Speaker 1: might want to talk about, he's not ready to hear.
20:21
Speaker 1: So why would she do that?
20:23
Speaker 2: Yeah, it just would have been nice if she could
20:25
Speaker 2: have spoke to that a little bit, like even in
20:27
Speaker 2: her interstitial and been like, you know, there was still
20:29
Speaker 2: a lot of hurd or blah blah blah, Like she
20:31
Speaker 2: just kind of glossed over like the the Cody like
20:35
Speaker 2: fucking up his relationships with his kids, Like she just
20:37
Speaker 2: kind of was like, well, yeah, it is what it
20:39
Speaker 2: is like and he'll have to do the work for that.
20:41
Speaker 1: She seems dissociated to me something. Yeah, sometimes she just
20:44
Speaker 1: doesn't seem tethered, Yeah, one hundred percent to earth reality.
20:49
Speaker 2: Very disconnects, like I'm just gonna do whatever I need
20:52
Speaker 2: to do to get my money from Coyote Pass and
20:54
Speaker 2: build my flower farm, and it just don't fuck with me.
20:57
Speaker 2: Like that's where I feel like she's coming a lot
21:00
Speaker 2: of the times, and that's what's annoying to me, Like
21:02
Speaker 2: it'd be nice if she could talk about some of
21:04
Speaker 2: her deeper feelings, like and how she feels with how
21:07
Speaker 2: Cody treated her children, Like if that was so important
21:10
Speaker 2: to you, Like why don't you articulate that, because like
21:12
Speaker 2: you have Christine saying shit like that, like, well, why
21:16
Speaker 2: doesn't Cody extend the olive branch to his kids first
21:19
Speaker 2: before us? Like why is he focusing on us first
21:22
Speaker 2: and not his children?
21:23
Speaker 1: Like at least she's articulating it, right.
21:26
Speaker 2: So I don't know that was just my only qualm
21:28
Speaker 2: with it, But I do see your perspective too, like,
21:30
Speaker 2: and I do understand and I appreciate that this was
21:33
Speaker 2: a conversation between two people that were together for thirty years.
21:37
Speaker 1: And I have a total like they have a history.
21:39
Speaker 1: They have such a history, they have a timeline together.
21:42
Speaker 1: If we were to guess what Janelle's astrological moon was,
21:46
Speaker 1: what would we say? Probably Taurus moon. I was thinking
21:50
Speaker 1: Taurus or Virgo. Yeah, Like she's not emotive. She has
21:54
Speaker 1: a hard time not just connecting to her emotions, but
21:58
Speaker 1: like being in the expression of those emotions. It feels
22:01
Speaker 1: like she just tamps things down so subdued as long
22:05
Speaker 1: as she can, like if forty or fifty percent of
22:07
Speaker 1: her can operate and get the shit done, Like she's
22:09
Speaker 1: gonna stay in that fifty percent and not have to
22:11
Speaker 1: ever go into the shadow or all the hurt parts.
22:14
Speaker 2: Because it's too uncomfortable. Yes, and that's what's frustrating for
22:17
Speaker 2: me as somebody who is the total opposite. I'm aries
22:20
Speaker 2: moved right, I'm gonna just want to explosive, I'm gonna fight, right,
22:23
Speaker 2: And I'm like, I'm very like if I'm gonna be emotional,
22:26
Speaker 2: it's always anger first, Like it's always me being frustrated
22:30
Speaker 2: and then I'll cry about it. And I just wish
22:32
Speaker 2: we could see Janelle be like that a little. She's
22:34
Speaker 2: so closed off. Talk about walls up. Yeah, she really
22:38
Speaker 2: does have the walls up straight up all the time.
22:40
Speaker 1: But it also kind of gives the moment she does
22:44
Speaker 1: get into that lower fifty percent run for your life
22:49
Speaker 1: straight up because she's maybe a Taurus or a Virgo
22:51
Speaker 1: even worse, I think she's gonna blow and it's gonna
22:54
Speaker 1: be bad. Yeah, I mean, can you imagine everything she's
22:57
Speaker 1: holding in, especially after losing her son, and especially after
23:03
Speaker 1: listening to and watching all of the terrible, despicable things
23:08
Speaker 1: her ex husband said about her son, Yeah, her other
23:11
Speaker 1: kids and her Yeah, and that's the thing.
23:14
Speaker 2: It's like, where's your rage? Like, where is your upset?
23:17
Speaker 2: Where's your collie moth? Yes? I want to see some
23:20
Speaker 2: of that. It's like, you're so cordial to somebody who
23:23
Speaker 2: was so bucking awful to not only you and Christina
23:27
Speaker 2: and Mary, but like to your children and to one
23:30
Speaker 2: of your sons who's no longer here.
23:32
Speaker 1: But she's just trying to be alive on the planet,
23:34
Speaker 1: in a stable place, inside of her body whatever, and
23:37
Speaker 1: this is how she's going to get there. Well, it's
23:40
Speaker 1: just what I think it is.
23:41
Speaker 2: But how how stable can you be if you're not
23:43
Speaker 2: acknowledging your shadow? You have to integrate it, right.
23:47
Speaker 1: Yes, you have to become conscious to the subconscious, absolutely,
23:50
Speaker 1: come on. But I mean she's just not there. And again,
23:52
Speaker 1: this kind of goes back to our initial premise. These
23:55
Speaker 1: people are dumb, yeah, and not just intellectually but also emotionally.
24:01
Speaker 1: They don't have a lot of that. But like in
24:02
Speaker 1: this one scene and the cantina in North Carolina, I
24:06
Speaker 1: felt like they were in their dumb way, in a dumb,
24:09
Speaker 1: dumb way, they were trying to make that emotional connection
24:12
Speaker 1: and I could feel that, and I thought it was
24:16
Speaker 1: kind of sweet.
24:17
Speaker 2: I did. I'm sorry I did. Yeah, I mean I
24:20
Speaker 2: can see I can see a little bit.
24:21
Speaker 1: Of it, Okay, a little bit of it. Yeah, No,
24:23
Speaker 1: did I want her to take out a fucking samurai
24:26
Speaker 1: sword and shove it in?
24:28
Speaker 2: Yes? Yes, of course.
24:31
Speaker 1: Do I want to see like her articulate all the
24:33
Speaker 1: things we've been feeling. Absolutely, But she's not going to
24:36
Speaker 1: be the one. No, it's going to be Merry. I
24:38
Speaker 1: know it's going to be Mary at the picnic table
24:40
Speaker 1: in the final stop on the Apology tour, and Cody
24:44
Speaker 1: is already anticipating that it's going to be bad and
24:46
Speaker 1: it's going to be.
24:47
Speaker 2: Bad well and like No Wonder, just to throw Cody
24:50
Speaker 2: a bone, Like No Wonder, he started with Jane first
24:52
Speaker 2: because she is going to be the most tame, docile
24:57
Speaker 2: wife to apologize to, whereas like Christine's probably going to
25:00
Speaker 2: have some attitude, Mary's definitely going to have some attitude
25:03
Speaker 2: and it's not going to be pretty. That's why Cody's
25:06
Speaker 2: not taking her to dinner and he's like, let's just
25:08
Speaker 2: go meet on a park bench, right, you know. But
25:11
Speaker 2: I did appreciate the last thing in this conversation was
25:14
Speaker 2: like when they were talking about Cody not loving her
25:18
Speaker 2: or saying that he didn't love her. I appreciated him
25:21
Speaker 2: apologizing for that. I know we're going to see him
25:23
Speaker 2: say that though for every single wife, and so it's
25:26
Speaker 2: going to be very rehearsed. But I did think he
25:29
Speaker 2: meant it with Janelle, and I did like that. Janelle
25:32
Speaker 2: was like, yeah, like I know that you love me.
25:34
Speaker 2: I mean, how could she not hello.
25:35
Speaker 1: Like America New Yeah, the world knew.
25:38
Speaker 2: We knew. So I did appreciate that and I could
25:41
Speaker 2: see that in their relationship, like even in the earlier years,
25:45
Speaker 2: I'm sure codyum Janelle making Asten remember from Christine's book.
25:51
Speaker 1: She's like, I heard him in Mary's room and Jane
25:54
Speaker 1: getting down, and then I heard him in Janelle's room,
25:57
Speaker 1: and I heard what they were all doing, and so
25:58
Speaker 1: I was expecting a little bit.
26:00
Speaker 2: Of that in my room.
26:01
Speaker 1: And then he'd come in my room and I couldn't
26:03
Speaker 1: even take off my Mormon underwear because he couldn't stand
26:06
Speaker 1: to touch me. I shouldn't laugh, but I mean, I
26:08
Speaker 1: think she was probably hearing Janelle and Cody getting down.
26:12
Speaker 2: That's what I'm now.
26:13
Speaker 1: I do want to ask you what did we think
26:15
Speaker 1: of Robin's little cut in during the whole Janelle and
26:20
Speaker 1: Cody of it all when the producer asks her like, well,
26:23
Speaker 1: if one of these wives wanted to come back into
26:26
Speaker 1: the family, what would you do?
26:28
Speaker 2: Oh god, it was so great because Robin was totally
26:32
Speaker 2: caught off guard. She was like, I don't think she
26:33
Speaker 2: expected the producers to ask her that in a million years.
26:36
Speaker 2: And I feel like we started to see a genuine
26:39
Speaker 2: reaction from her where it was like, the fuck that
26:43
Speaker 2: was her reaction to me? In my opinion, yes, and
26:46
Speaker 2: then she totally went back to no, I'm sad though, Yeah,
26:50
Speaker 2: I'm afraid I'm gonna cry. You gave me a little
26:53
Speaker 2: kernel of hope, and now like I'm gonna be thinking
26:55
Speaker 2: about that because like I'm just like, so hope is.
26:57
Speaker 1: So dangerous, so dangerous for me to hope that my
27:00
Speaker 1: family will come back to me.
27:02
Speaker 2: Oh.
27:02
Speaker 1: I did see it though in the beginning, like when
27:05
Speaker 1: she actually laughed, and she's just like, I don't think
27:07
Speaker 1: that's gonna happen, nor do I want it to happen
27:10
Speaker 1: that in fact, I orchestrated this so that this would
27:13
Speaker 1: never happen again and I could have everything. Like, I
27:16
Speaker 1: just thought she came off badly in that commentary. I
27:20
Speaker 1: did not believe her, and I said audibly out loud
27:23
Speaker 1: in my living room alone, like a loser.
27:25
Speaker 2: You're a liar, Robit. She is a liar. The devil
27:28
Speaker 2: is a liar, Robin. I was laughing when I watched that.
27:32
Speaker 2: I'm like, oh, the mask is off a little bit.
27:35
Speaker 1: She's crystallizing into her ultimate form, which is just a
27:39
Speaker 1: negative goblin demon.
27:40
Speaker 2: Yes, I saw like a Reddit post. I should have
27:43
Speaker 2: saved it, but it was really long. Somebody said on
27:46
Speaker 2: Reddit that they think that Cody and Robin will fall
27:50
Speaker 2: out and that Cody and Janelle will get back together.
27:53
Speaker 2: I could kind of see it, I mean, can't you.
27:55
Speaker 2: I could kind of see it. I mean with how
27:57
Speaker 2: negative and ugly rob it has become what was the
28:00
Speaker 2: second one?
28:02
Speaker 1: Oh no, don't say that ugly in her spirithood, her
28:06
Speaker 1: spirit spirit's kind of negative.
28:07
Speaker 2: Also in her physicality. No, you can't say that. I can't.
28:12
Speaker 1: But no, she when I say she's crystallizing, like she
28:15
Speaker 1: that everything is just you pushed out, as the Goddard said,
28:18
Speaker 1: and like so her physicality is her just pushed out.
28:21
Speaker 1: She doesn't seem like a happy person. She seems like
28:24
Speaker 1: a very conniving person. But then you pan over to
28:27
Speaker 1: Janelle and she's got lightness and golden and she's smiling,
28:31
Speaker 1: and she's in that energy of acceptance and a little
28:35
Speaker 1: bit of love, and like for a guy like Cody,
28:38
Speaker 1: at some point he might want to compare and contrast,
28:40
Speaker 1: because now that Robin Scott you all to herself.
28:44
Speaker 2: And she's a bitter old bitch and you're gonna feel
28:46
Speaker 2: the full weight of that.
28:47
Speaker 1: And she's going to keep buying those dolls, honey, She's
28:51
Speaker 1: gonna keep building that Dickensiean village and buying those amethysts
28:55
Speaker 1: Crystal Towers, you be running out of money. Of course
28:59
Speaker 1: I checked the writing. Yeah, every week religiously, I check
29:03
Speaker 1: the ratings. And for the last few weeks they've been
29:06
Speaker 1: holding steady and or they've been kind of increasing a
29:10
Speaker 1: little bit. I think two weeks ago we had about
29:13
Speaker 1: a million seventy whatever, like a million viewers, but this
29:19
Speaker 1: week they were down almost twenty percent. I think people
29:24
Speaker 1: are getting bored. Well, I mean, I think people were
29:26
Speaker 1: help hoping that there would be just a little bit
29:29
Speaker 1: more reckoning. Yeah, drama, something with Cody and Robin, somebody
29:37
Speaker 1: taking them to task, But it's nothing like that. It's
29:40
Speaker 1: pickleball and speed dating and flower farms and Cody and
29:46
Speaker 1: Robin in their new home.
29:47
Speaker 2: Yep, and then this stupid apology tour that we're gonna
29:50
Speaker 2: have to watch every week. Like next week is going
29:52
Speaker 2: to be Christine. We got it that was gonna be married.
29:54
Speaker 2: But I mean it's kind of awesome.
29:56
Speaker 1: I mean, because I do want to see him sitting
29:58
Speaker 1: across from Christine and David and David who I think
30:01
Speaker 1: he's just gonna be like, yo, bro hud do it.
30:03
Speaker 1: I don't think I think it's gonna be a nothing burger.
30:05
Speaker 1: But doesn't Cody also apologize to Christine for saying in
30:10
Speaker 1: the book that.
30:10
Speaker 2: He was repulsed by her. I don't know. I think so.
30:13
Speaker 1: I think I saw that in one of the previewser
30:15
Speaker 1: on my Instagram timeline. He's gonna say, I want to
30:18
Speaker 1: apologize for saying you were unattractive and I thought you
30:20
Speaker 1: were disgusting, and she's gonna get mad.
30:23
Speaker 2: I hope so he brings it up. I fucking hope so,
30:26
Speaker 2: because we know that's fake.
30:28
Speaker 1: Yeah, I if he was making her have sex with
30:31
Speaker 1: him with her full Mormon holy garments on mean or
30:35
Speaker 1: lingerie she said, which was probably a full on nightgown.
30:38
Speaker 2: Yep, he was repulsed by her, Yes, from the get go.
30:42
Speaker 2: If he actually says that, I will not believe it. No,
30:45
Speaker 2: And that's that's the thing. It's like, I just can't
30:47
Speaker 2: I take everything, Cody Brown says with a grain of salt.
30:50
Speaker 2: So like maybe there's some maybe there's some real emotion
30:54
Speaker 2: deep down in his cold, dead, black, rutting heart. But
30:58
Speaker 2: I don't know. I guess we'll see. I guess we
31:00
Speaker 2: will see.
31:01
Speaker 1: Yeah, I'm kind of looking forward to it, and I'm
31:02
Speaker 1: definitely looking forward to his conversation with Mary. That's what
31:06
Speaker 1: I'm looking forward to, a little bit of a fight
31:08
Speaker 1: me too.
31:09
Speaker 2: Somebody give me the drawma, Somebody call him out seriously.
31:13
Speaker 2: And then really the only other thing that was in
31:15
Speaker 2: this episode was just like a little brief scene with
31:18
Speaker 2: Mary and her friend Amber going to Gene, and this
31:22
Speaker 2: was Sad telling Jen that they're going to host a
31:25
Speaker 2: fundraiser for Jen's husband, who is currently going through cancer
31:29
Speaker 2: treatment and he's got gnarly cancer. He's got sarcoma, which
31:33
Speaker 2: is like a really fucked up, terrible cancer, so on
31:37
Speaker 2: his leg or something. Yes, And usually with sarcoma's like
31:39
Speaker 2: you have to ampute and like because they're really gnarly,
31:42
Speaker 2: so in your bone or something, or it's like soft
31:44
Speaker 2: tissue so it's like muscule and it'll infect everything. It's bad.
31:48
Speaker 2: So I didn't know that. Yeah, So it's really nice
31:52
Speaker 2: that Mary is doing this fundraiser and that they're doing
31:55
Speaker 2: this for Gen. They're gonna support not only her husband
31:58
Speaker 2: but like their bike shop and everything. So I do
32:00
Speaker 2: look forward to seeing that. I have nothing bad to
32:02
Speaker 2: say about it. I feel bad for Jenn and her husband,
32:05
Speaker 2: and I pray for them. I pray for them as well.
32:07
Speaker 2: I hope he gets better. Yes, he feels one hundred
32:10
Speaker 2: percent yes. And then we have the preview okay for
32:14
Speaker 2: next week because this episode was I mean, there wasn't
32:16
Speaker 2: much now here but preview. We have Jenelle's friends asking
32:22
Speaker 2: her if she'll ever get back together with Cody, and
32:25
Speaker 2: Janelle says some fuck shit like, well, yeah, there was
32:27
Speaker 2: a time where I thought, like what if, like things
32:30
Speaker 2: would get better and she said that, yes.
32:33
Speaker 1: Oh, I thought I just saw her kind of say
32:36
Speaker 1: nothing at the table with her friends. No, she said
32:38
Speaker 1: that in her interestition, I just figured it was going
32:40
Speaker 1: to be a nothing burger where she says absolutely not.
32:43
Speaker 2: No, she says there was a time where I thought,
32:46
Speaker 2: what if. I hope that the rest of that clip
32:49
Speaker 2: is her saying but right now absolutely not right me too,
32:52
Speaker 2: I think it will be I hope so because I'm
32:54
Speaker 2: like Janelle, please steep lower, please. Then we have the
32:59
Speaker 2: fun Mary is hosting for Jen's husband, and we have
33:03
Speaker 2: her boyfriend run. I show up.
33:06
Speaker 1: Metrosexual Ron from Salt Lake City. It's got like another
33:11
Speaker 1: residence in Florida or something, so he's got some money
33:15
Speaker 1: so he could take care of our girl Mary.
33:17
Speaker 2: I hope he's not like a TLC plant, because it
33:20
Speaker 2: would be cool if, like, at the end of the season,
33:22
Speaker 2: Mary's like, oh, yeah, I me and Ron are actually dating.
33:25
Speaker 2: We're an item. Like that'd be great, that would be
33:27
Speaker 2: But I don't think it'll happen. Yeah, I kind of
33:29
Speaker 2: doubt it.
33:29
Speaker 1: I feel like she needs a really manly man. Yeah,
33:32
Speaker 1: I think she's looking for that. She wants a tall,
33:34
Speaker 1: madly kind of guy.
33:36
Speaker 2: Yeah, you've been saying that.
33:37
Speaker 1: At the beginning.
33:38
Speaker 2: It's on the vision board.
33:39
Speaker 1: You can see her on the bitch seat on the
33:41
Speaker 1: back of a Harley in the mountains with the big
33:43
Speaker 1: Burley man with the beard, yep, or a woman or
33:46
Speaker 1: a but or amber, Yes, I specifically I.
33:52
Speaker 2: Could see it. Kind of mean, she's in her attic,
33:55
Speaker 2: just like lonely and whatever.
33:57
Speaker 1: So what are you doing down there in your bedroom?
33:58
Speaker 2: Like, hey, Mary, do you want to like a drinking game?
34:01
Speaker 1: And like or we just like Netflix and chill in
34:04
Speaker 1: the attic?
34:05
Speaker 2: Would it be so funny if we like watch Netflix
34:07
Speaker 2: with our shirts off? Like, well, what would happen if
34:13
Speaker 2: we kiss? We could try I could just try it.
34:15
Speaker 2: Just have you ever kissed a girl before? Like why not? Oh? God,
34:21
Speaker 2: it's happened before. Yes, it has, and you would know.
34:24
Speaker 2: I would know I played those exact games. And then
34:28
Speaker 2: we have Cody apologizing to Christine in the preview for
34:32
Speaker 2: saying he didn't love her, and again, it's like the
34:35
Speaker 2: same script that he gave to Janelle. So I'm just like, okay,
34:39
Speaker 2: we'll see how that goes well.
34:40
Speaker 1: But what makes this interesting is that at the time
34:43
Speaker 1: that he's sitting down with her, presumably they are still
34:46
Speaker 1: involved in the child support lawsuit where Christine is probably
34:52
Speaker 1: going to make him open his books and see how
34:54
Speaker 1: much he actually took in for the last few years
34:57
Speaker 1: and then get an order for child support not just
35:00
Speaker 1: currently but three years in arrears. So you know, he's
35:04
Speaker 1: not happy to sit down across from Christine. No, you know,
35:07
Speaker 1: he thinks that she's gonna rob him. She said, I'm
35:10
Speaker 1: just gonna be checking the energy for sure.
35:12
Speaker 2: Yes, definitely. With our fake psychic and our monocles and
35:16
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35:17
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35:20
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35:24
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35:36
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35:39
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35:42
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35:47
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35:48
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35:52
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