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- 0:35Welcome to this episode of the Happiness in Retirement Program podcast. I'm
- 0:39Bill Del Sette. Thank you for listening. Today,
- 0:43I want to talk about how do we have a good life.
- 0:46When I trademarked happiness in retirement, yes, it is in
- 0:49fact trademarked, I thought, well, happiness certainly
- 0:53is a good thing. Is there something deeper?
- 0:57And as it turns out, of course there is. There's meaning, for
- 1:00instance. But what is it that creates a
- 1:04good retirement or a great life for that matter?
- 1:08What are the ingredients that will
- 1:13lead to a wonderful life?
- 1:17You probably know about The
- 1:21studies that have been done about the relationship between money
- 1:25and happiness, a lot of research still being done now,
- 1:29some conflicting evidence now, but generally speaking, research
- 1:32shows that once you reach a certain level of income,
- 1:36any income beyond that does not contribute proportionally
- 1:41to happiness, and there's a point in fact where happiness kind
- 1:44of maxes out. The income level is
- 1:48the level at which you can provide for your basic
- 1:52needs, food, shelter, clothing, et cetera. And
- 1:55once you have those basic needs covered, money generally
- 1:58does not buy more happiness. Now, it can be used, I believe, to
- 2:02create more meaning, but not necessarily more happiness.
- 2:06So if it isn't money or income that is what you
- 2:09should be after. Tell that to a lot of folks these days whose
- 2:14goal it is to become rich. But if it's not money that leads
- 2:17to happiness, if you will, then what exactly does?
- 2:22And is it really happiness we're after? Because we all do things
- 2:25that don't necessarily make us happy, but perhaps contribute
- 2:30to something else that matters to us. And on that
- 2:33note, I want to talk about a book by a gentleman you
- 2:37may have heard of, The gentleman's name is Martin Seligman.
- 2:41S-E-L-I-G-M-A-N. Martin Seligman, he
- 2:45is considered the founder of the field of
- 2:49psychology, one of the world's leading psychologists. And
- 2:52he wrote a book called Flourish. It's a few years old
- 2:56now. But in the book, he states that he does not like the
- 2:59idea of happiness. what he considers to be a
- 3:03good life, what contributes to a good life. Yes, it may
- 3:06be happiness is one of the ingredients or one
- 3:10of the elements in one of the ingredients, but
- 3:13it's not just about feeling good. It's living a life filled
- 3:16with meaning, purpose, and connection. Interesting. Notice
- 3:21that money isn't in there. Now, I know many of us
- 3:24were raised to believe that success was about working hard, raising
- 3:27a family, and then if we're lucky, enjoying a peaceful retirement. But
- 3:31the truth is, retirement isn't the end of the story. It's just the start
- 3:35of a new chapter. And Flourish gives us a roadmap to
- 3:38make that chapter rich and fulfilling. The book that Seligman wrote
- 3:42is called Flourish. And in that book, he talks
- 3:46about the five ingredients to what he
- 3:49calls the PERMA model, which leads to a
- 3:53flourishing life. Now, notice he didn't call it a life of happiness.
- 3:56It doesn't necessarily mean you're going to be happy. Flourishing is
- 4:00on a different level. If you're flourishing, yeah, you
- 4:03may be happy, but you probably have a whole bunch of other positive
- 4:07indicators in your life. PERMA, P-E-R-M-A, stands
- 4:12for positive emotion, engagement, relationships, meaning,
- 4:17and accomplishment. Those are the five ingredients, according to
- 4:20Seligman, that lead to a flourishing life. So
- 4:23let's look at each one of these and how they can contribute to
- 4:27an amazing life, whether you're in retirement or not. The
- 4:30first is positive emotion, which does include happiness. Now,
- 4:34Positive emotion also means gratitude or joy,
- 4:38different than happiness, maybe comfort. Gratitude, joy,
- 4:42and comfort. Finding the small things that make us
- 4:45smile every day. So important. So
- 4:48many studies done on the importance of expressing gratitude every
- 4:52single day and how just doing that one act every
- 4:56day consistently can actually make you happier. Great
- 4:59book, The Gratitude Diaries by Janice Kaplan.
- 5:03K-A-P-L-A-N was a bestseller. She
- 5:07spent a year expressing gratitude and she was very
- 5:10intentional about it in all areas of her life. And
- 5:14what a difference it made in her life. Great read. The importance of
- 5:17gratitude that can create positive emotion.
- 5:21Being happy, certainly. There is well being comfortable
- 5:25the small things that make you smile so that's positive emotion in
- 5:29the perma model next in the perma model for a
- 5:32flourishing life is engagement that feeling of
- 5:35being in the zone when you're doing something you love years ago
- 5:39i wrote a blog post about my neighbor my neighbor was a
- 5:42mechanic and you know i was a young kid and i would Go for
- 5:45a visit with him sometimes while he was working on cars and the
- 5:48guy was just blinded by mechanics you know the guy love this
- 5:52work and he was out in this garage for hours and hours this white
- 5:55yelling come on command it's time to eat and he just couldn't get
- 5:59enough of it you know he would lose track of time working
- 6:02on cars. Well, it turns out he was onto something and that
- 6:06feeling of being in the zone or what is known now
- 6:09as the flow state. When you're doing something you
- 6:13love, Stephen Kotler's work, a book called Gnar Country,
- 6:18G-N-A-R by Stephen Kotler, K-O-T-L-E-R, about
- 6:23finding flow later in life. It's when
- 6:26you lose track of time, what are the things that you do, like
- 6:30this mechanic, when you lose track of time. In other words, you're
- 6:33not worried about the future, you're not thinking about the past, you're in the moment.
- 6:37Whatever you're doing, it's just got a hold of you. This feeling
- 6:41of being in the zone, that's engagement. When
- 6:45you're doing something you love, when you retire, you've got to have that. We
- 6:49talked in the prior episode of the Happiness in Retirement Program
- 6:53podcast about The percentage of people that when they retire,
- 6:56they aren't any happier. In fact, they could be less happy and
- 7:00maybe it's because they don't have that engagement. So engagement
- 7:03is so, so important. Finding flow, doing
- 7:07things that get you in that state. You know what
- 7:10they are for you. And one of Steven Kotler's books called The Rise
- 7:14of Superman, he looks at people that do extreme sports and
- 7:17they do it because they want to get into this flow state. And
- 7:20we could do that. Just simple things, again, gardening, painting, photography,
- 7:25big one, volunteering. So engagement, the second ingredient
- 7:29to a flourishing retirement. First, positive emotion, gratitude,
- 7:33joy, comfort. Second, engagement, being in the zone, doing
- 7:37things you absolutely love. doing number three
- 7:41the third ingredient in the perma model of flourishing is
- 7:45relationships i've read that lonely
- 7:49or loneliness can be just as bad for your health is smoking two
- 7:52packs of cigarettes a day staying socially connected. It's
- 7:57so important to research around this is unequivocal. Investing
- 8:01in friendships, family, and new communities. When you retire,
- 8:04when you stop working, if you have a job where you
- 8:07have social connections, you may lose those connections. And
- 8:11then you've got to create new ones, which is fine, but it
- 8:14becomes more difficult later in life to do so. So it's
- 8:18going to take effort on your part to do that.
- 8:22We know loneliness can be a challenge in retirement. Relationships are
- 8:25key. And how do you go about creating new relationships?
- 8:29Make it a goal. Read How to Win Friends and Influence
- 8:33People, the classic by Dale Carnegie. Classic,
- 8:37classic book about relationship building. So
- 8:41maintaining and creating new relationships, maybe
- 8:44you're going to move. Maybe when you stop working, maybe when you
- 8:47retire, you're going to go to a different state. You got to maintain those
- 8:51friendships. You got to stay close with family. And if
- 8:54you can't, you've got to create new relationships, which is going to take an
- 8:57effort on your part. Next in this PERMA model of
- 9:01flourishing is meaning. Feeling part of something
- 9:05bigger. So important. Many, many people feel
- 9:08that meaning is the most important part of it all. You've
- 9:11got to find meaning. And again, many people find meaning in their work.
- 9:14It doesn't have to be anything life-changing. It doesn't
- 9:18have to be anything grandiose. You can be
- 9:22a carpenter or a janitor and finding meaning in
- 9:25your work, it doesn't matter what the work is. It could be mentoring
- 9:29others, it could be volunteering or involved in
- 9:32faith or service, being of service, religion. Classic
- 9:37book and the importance of meaning is Viktor Frankl's
- 9:41Man's Search for Meaning. Viktor Frankl, F-R-A-N-K-L.
- 9:46Viktor Frankl and his family were shipped off to Anansi concentration
- 9:50camp and he lost his entire family there. He almost died
- 9:54on numerous occasions. And in his own words, the
- 9:57people that made it out of the concentration camps were the ones that
- 10:00had something to live for that would give that meaning. And
- 10:04according to Frankel, one of the most important aspects of
- 10:07living. So what do you do that gives you meaning? If
- 10:11it's work and you stop working, well, you better find a way to find
- 10:14meaning. Outside of work maybe again it's a hobby maybe
- 10:18it's being of service maybe it's contributing giving back
- 10:21maybe it's your faith whatever it may be mentoring others volunteering
- 10:26different ways to find me. The fifth ingredient in
- 10:29the perma model of flourishing is accomplishment. Setteng
- 10:33and achieving goals even small ones learning a new skill running a five
- 10:36k finishing a project walking a five k
- 10:40things to give you a sense of pride you'll notice that
- 10:44pretty much every single one of these ingredients to a flourishing life
- 10:48can be found at work. And
- 10:51for those of us that have worked a good long time you
- 10:55have to find a way. to have these ingredients in
- 10:58your life outside of work. You've got to create them. Again,
- 11:03great book on accomplishment. It's called Drive the
- 11:06Surprising Truth About What Motivates Us by a gentleman, very
- 11:10popular author right now, Daniel Pink, P-I-N-K. Drive
- 11:15the Surprising Truth About What Motivates Us, and guess what? It's
- 11:18not money. As Daniel Pink writes, so when you
- 11:21stop working, you've got to find a way to be engaged. You've
- 11:25got to find a way to build or maintain relationships.
- 11:29You've got to find meaning and you've got to find accomplishment. You've
- 11:33got to set goals, never ever stop. Setteng goals
- 11:36and achieving those goals doesn't have to be again grandiose could
- 11:40be small ones but all of these things that many people
- 11:44find in their work life many of the ingredients of the
- 11:47promo model now you've got to find outside of work life
- 11:50if you stop working or don't stop working. Now, how
- 11:54does this also relate to money? Well, what if you were to
- 11:57use your money knowing about the retirement income smile and
- 12:01how we gradually spend less as we age out, then
- 12:04how can you spend your money such that you
- 12:08will generate positive emotion, engagement, build relationships and
- 12:12meaning and accomplish things? Well,
- 12:16certainly in the engagement category, I don't
- 12:19know, Whatever it is, whatever turns you on. Are you
- 12:22the mechanic working on the car for hours? Do more of that. Maybe
- 12:26it's skydiving. Maybe it's golfing. Whatever it
- 12:29may be, gardening. For me, it's photography, man. I'm out
- 12:32there with my camera and spend a while, but I could spend hours
- 12:36and hours. doing landscape photography just out there
- 12:40in the country early in the morning when you practice photography you've
- 12:43got to get up early to catch that good light and you're just out there and
- 12:46you're in the moment and what a great feeling that's flow so
- 12:50what is it for you? where you're going to get this engagement being
- 12:54in the zone. What about relationships? Where are you going
- 12:57to find those relationships? How are you going to build relationships? How
- 13:00are you going to get involved? Maybe it's volunteering, maybe it's
- 13:04mentoring, maybe it's being more involved in your church, if
- 13:07that's your thing. And if you get that at work, if those relationships
- 13:12are work-related as they are for so many of us, you've got
- 13:15to find a way to maintain relationships afterward.
- 13:19And accomplishment, same kind of thing. Work is one
- 13:23of the main ways people feel accomplished is in their work. And
- 13:26meaning certainly falls in that category as well. So how are you going to
- 13:30find meaning? So just some things to think about. If you read the book,
- 13:33Flourish by Martin Seligman, think about how are you going
- 13:37to get these elements of PERMA that will cause you
- 13:40to flourish in retirement? How are you going to get positive emotion?
- 13:44How are you going to remain engaged? Who are the people that will make up
- 13:48the relationships in your retirement? Where are you going to find the meaning
- 13:51and what are you going to do to remain accomplished
- 13:56or accomplishing? So important. Seligman talks
- 14:00about people in their 60s, 70s, or 80s who are
- 14:03thriving because they found their purpose and connection. And all
- 14:07of this is backed up with science. It's not just fluff. It's research based
- 14:11and proven to make life richer now. There
- 14:14is an exercise in the book in which Sullivan talks about
- 14:18signature strength signature strength in
- 14:22the context of positive psychology, are the character traits
- 14:26that are most prominent and meaningful to you making unique and
- 14:29authentic, There are the qualities you enjoy expressing that
- 14:33energize you, leading to increased well-being and
- 14:36performance, and how this all ties back to the PERMA model.
- 14:41So, some homework for you, please, as part of this.
- 14:44I want you to Google a VIA, V-I-A,
- 14:48character strengths, signature strengths test, and
- 14:53go and take the test. It's called the VIA survey,
- 14:57V-I-A survey, and it is free, and
- 15:01it will take about 10 minutes, and it'll help you discover your signature
- 15:04strengths that will help you do all the things. fulfill
- 15:08on the ingredients of the PERMA model. For instance, increase
- 15:12happiness and well-being, finding meaning and purpose, boosting relationships,
- 15:16managing stress and health, and accomplishing goals. Once you know
- 15:19those signature strengths, you can put them to work.
- 15:23And the idea is to do the things that
- 15:26will lead you to have happiness and meaning
- 15:30in retirement. What struck me most about the book
- 15:33Flourish is how it applies to the retiree journey. After decades
- 15:37of working, we often ask ourselves, what next? What's now?
- 15:41According to Seligman, and I certainly absolutely can agree with this, that
- 15:44we can still grow, we can still make a contribution, we can still
- 15:48matter at any age. As Seligman writes, one
- 15:51of my favorite quotes in the book, the good life consists in
- 15:54deriving happiness by using your signature strengths every
- 15:58day in the main realms of your life. That
- 16:01means using the gifts you've built over a lifetime, your wisdom, patience,
- 16:05humor, compassion, to keep contributing to
- 16:09the world in a way that feels true to you. So
- 16:12whether you're newly retired or have been for years, the book Flourish offers
- 16:16practical tools and thoughtful inspiration for building a life
- 16:19of purpose, connection, and joy. It's a reminder that just because we've
- 16:23left the nine to five behind, it doesn't mean
- 16:27we stop growing. In fact, maybe now is when we
- 16:31really begin to flourish. Thank you for joining me
- 16:34on the Happiness in Retirement Program podcast. If flourish
- 16:38resonates with you or if you've found ways to
- 16:42bring more meaning into your life after retirement, I'd love to hear
- 16:45from you. Send me a message at bill at happinessinretirement.com. Until
- 16:50next time, keep reading, keep growing, and remember it's
- 16:53never too late to flourish. Talk to you soon.
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