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Ties, Taxes and Treatment · The Schmidt Show PDX

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SPEAKER_00: Welcome back to Schmidt Show PDX.
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SPEAKER_00: My name's Mike Schmidt.
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I'm your host,
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former district attorney of Multnomah County,
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now full-time podcaster.
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SPEAKER_00: I wish.
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SPEAKER_00: Portland is doing that thing it does best, reinventing itself in public.
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SPEAKER_00: On one side,
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SPEAKER_00: we've got Salem warming up for the next legislative session,
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SPEAKER_00: which will entail budget fights,
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SPEAKER_00: housing,
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SPEAKER_00: labor,
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SPEAKER_00: public safety,
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SPEAKER_00: transportation,
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SPEAKER_00: the usual,
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SPEAKER_00: you know,
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SPEAKER_00: small,
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SPEAKER_00: calm list of issues that are definitely going to get weird.
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SPEAKER_00: On the other side,
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SPEAKER_00: we've got our brand new city council,
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SPEAKER_00: new districts,
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SPEAKER_00: new dynamics,
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SPEAKER_00: new alliances,
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SPEAKER_00: and yes,
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SPEAKER_00: some growing pains.
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Because when you rebuild the plane mid-flight,
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you're going to hear a few bolts rattling around.
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SPEAKER_00: Not necessarily scandalous, that's just physics.
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SPEAKER_00: So today we're going to talk about what's coming,
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SPEAKER_00: what's already here,
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SPEAKER_00: and what actually matters when the slogans get traded in for votes.
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SPEAKER_00: My guest, State Representative Rob Nose.
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SPEAKER_00: We're talking legislative priorities,
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SPEAKER_00: local pressure points,
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and what it takes to make a new governing system function when
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the honeymoon ends
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SPEAKER_00: on day two.
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SPEAKER_00: Let's get into it.
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SPEAKER_00: All right.
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SPEAKER_00: Well, welcome into the studio.
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SPEAKER_00: I am so excited to have my guest with me today.
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SPEAKER_00: He really needs little introduction from the state legislature.
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SPEAKER_00: He is my representative.
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SPEAKER_00: I am his constituent.
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SPEAKER_00: We go back a long ways.
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SPEAKER_00: He's a good friend of mine.
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He is now one of the senior members in the House,
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one of the most experienced.
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SPEAKER_00: I would also say best dressed.
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SPEAKER_00: I know there's a fight over that.
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SPEAKER_02: There'd be some argument over that.
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SPEAKER_02: There's some argument over that.
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SPEAKER_02: Travis Nelson probably would, those are fighting words between him and I.
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SPEAKER_00: It's close, but I'm going to side with my representative.
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SPEAKER_00: My representative here is Rob Nose.
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SPEAKER_00: Rob, welcome to the studio.
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SPEAKER_00: Mike, thanks for having me.
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SPEAKER_00: Proud to represent you.
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SPEAKER_00: Well, you are one of the best.
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SPEAKER_00: And your lovely wife, Claire.
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SPEAKER_00: Well, thank you.
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SPEAKER_00: Now you've just scored points.
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SPEAKER_00: Well done.
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SPEAKER_00: Okay, good.
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And,
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you know,
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it's amazing,
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Rob,
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as I was running for DA,
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you and I knocked doors together.
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SPEAKER_00: Absolutely.
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SPEAKER_00: And, you know, some people recognize me.
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SPEAKER_00: I'm sorry I didn't drag you across the finish line.
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SPEAKER_00: Well, you tried.
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SPEAKER_00: I tried.
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SPEAKER_00: You tried.
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SPEAKER_00: You put in work.
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SPEAKER_00: It was fun for me.
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SPEAKER_00: Some people recognize me on the doors.
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SPEAKER_00: Most of them recognized you.
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SPEAKER_00: They're like, oh, wait, Mike Schmidt, DA, I don't know.
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SPEAKER_00: Is that Rob standing behind you there?
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We canvassed,
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in fairness to you,
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we did canvass neighborhoods that are close to my house.
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SPEAKER_02: And I've been the state representative now since 2015.
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SPEAKER_02: Wow.
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SPEAKER_02: So, yeah.
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SPEAKER_00: Yeah.
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SPEAKER_00: That's amazing.
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SPEAKER_00: Well, you've done a fantastic job.
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SPEAKER_00: Thank you.
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SPEAKER_00: People know you, respect you.
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SPEAKER_00: Like I said, you're a dean of the house.
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SPEAKER_00: At this point, I am, actually.
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SPEAKER_00: You really are?
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SPEAKER_02: Yes.
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SPEAKER_02: Yes.
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SPEAKER_02: I know, it's weird to say.
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SPEAKER_02: It is weird to say.
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SPEAKER_02: I'm going to be 60 in two years.
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SPEAKER_02: Wow.
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SPEAKER_02: Yeah.
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SPEAKER_02: Keep up your skin.
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SPEAKER_00: Okay, I'm trying.
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SPEAKER_00: Absolutely.
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SPEAKER_02: I definitely recommend a caffeinated lotion.
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SPEAKER_00: Well, Rob, we're going to get into it.
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SPEAKER_00: You and I,
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SPEAKER_00: as we were just entering into the studio,
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SPEAKER_00: we're just talking like every Oregonian,
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SPEAKER_00: every Portlander,
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SPEAKER_00: every American is talking just like what wild times,
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SPEAKER_00: right?
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SPEAKER_00: It is cognitive dissonance.
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SPEAKER_00: It's you take your kids to school.
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If you have kids like I do,
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you go to the soccer match,
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you're like,
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oh yeah,
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life's good.
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SPEAKER_00: And at the same time, we're invading countries and or- No, no.
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SPEAKER_02: Well, okay.
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SPEAKER_02: We did invade Venezuela.
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SPEAKER_00: That's true.
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SPEAKER_00: You're right.
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SPEAKER_00: Okay.
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SPEAKER_02: And we're threatening- That was an invasion.
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SPEAKER_02: You are correct.
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SPEAKER_00: And we also are invading our own cities.
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SPEAKER_00: Yes.
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SPEAKER_00: You have been around politics for a long time.
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SPEAKER_00: You are an elected leader.
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SPEAKER_00: What are you thinking, man?
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SPEAKER_00: How are you dealing with this?
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So I hope this isn't too either highfalutin educational or
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offensive to some of your listeners.
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SPEAKER_02: But you know what I'm really missing right now?
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SPEAKER_02: Classic American hegemony.
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SPEAKER_02: Okay.
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SPEAKER_02: Old style American hegemony.
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SPEAKER_02: where we sort of maintained a quasi-world order.
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SPEAKER_02: Now, we had Vietnam, we had Afghanistan, we invaded Iraq.
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SPEAKER_02: I mean, there are lots of criticisms of classic American hegemony, okay?
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SPEAKER_02: But we have thrown all of that away, okay?
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And we are going back to a style of politics that existed for
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the United States in
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SPEAKER_02: terms of international relations before World War II.
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SPEAKER_02: And I think that is actually very dangerous.
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SPEAKER_02: Thank goodness that Republican senators are finally,
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SPEAKER_02: finally stepping up to do their job and saying,
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SPEAKER_02: no,
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SPEAKER_02: invading Greenland has reached too far.
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SPEAKER_02: We want to stay in NATO.
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SPEAKER_02: Yeah.
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SPEAKER_02: OK.
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SPEAKER_00: I read an article today, Rob.
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SPEAKER_00: Canada is cozying up to China.
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SPEAKER_02: Yes, I saw that too.
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SPEAKER_02: I mean, what a bizarro world.
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Well,
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we should probably figure out how to cozy up to China as well,
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okay?
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SPEAKER_02: I don't want China to invade Taiwan.
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SPEAKER_02: There are over a billion Chinese.
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SPEAKER_02: They are exceeding what our country is doing with regard to green energy.
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SPEAKER_02: Oh my goodness.
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SPEAKER_02: Technology.
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SPEAKER_02: Technology.
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And so we're going to have to figure out how to have a more
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functional relationship
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SPEAKER_02: with China than we seem to enjoy at the moment.
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SPEAKER_00: No doubt about it.
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SPEAKER_00: The other thing that is heavy on,
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SPEAKER_00: I think,
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SPEAKER_00: a lot of our minds,
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SPEAKER_00: especially us Portlanders who know what it's like to have the federal
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SPEAKER_00: administration,
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SPEAKER_00: I refer to it as kind of the eye of Sauron focused on you.
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SPEAKER_00: Wow.
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SPEAKER_00: That's a good analogy.
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SPEAKER_00: That's how it feels, right?
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SPEAKER_00: When that eye focuses.
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SPEAKER_00: Is Kristi Noam really the eye of Sauron?
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SPEAKER_00: No, no.
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SPEAKER_00: It's the tower.
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SPEAKER_00: It's the evil tower in DC, right?
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SPEAKER_00: She's one of the dark riders on the winged horses.
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I think that's a better analogy for those of you that never
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read The Lord of Rings.
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SPEAKER_02: 100%.
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SPEAKER_02: So-
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SPEAKER_00: What is happening in Minnesota right now?
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SPEAKER_00: It's awful,
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SPEAKER_00: but really I want to think about,
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SPEAKER_00: and I know you've thought about,
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SPEAKER_00: what should we be thinking as Oregonians,
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SPEAKER_00: especially as Portlanders?
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We've been through this and it's a little scary to think we're
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on that same list of
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SPEAKER_00: cities that this administration likes to target.
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So I think the good news for Portland and for Oregon is that
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I've been told
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SPEAKER_02: sometimes don't use this phrase,
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but other times I definitely hear people use it as we are
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trying really hard not to
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SPEAKER_02: take the bait.
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SPEAKER_02: Take the bait.
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SPEAKER_02: Do not take it.
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And I think to the extent that our demonstrations remain
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peaceful and joyful and
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and capture the hearts and minds of national news media and
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Americans,
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we have less risk
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SPEAKER_02: what's going on in Minneapolis and Minnesota happening here.
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SPEAKER_02: Now,
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SPEAKER_02: if somebody dies,
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SPEAKER_02: if somebody gets murdered,
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SPEAKER_02: I mean,
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SPEAKER_02: I'm going to say all bets are off probably at that point,
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SPEAKER_02: so we're lucky.
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SPEAKER_00: Which is what they're going through in Minnesota, right?
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SPEAKER_00: Correct.
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SPEAKER_00: Somebody got murdered.
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SPEAKER_02: I mean,
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you could see where an outpouring of response that might
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trigger a National Guard
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SPEAKER_02: response from somebody could happen,
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SPEAKER_02: so we're lucky.
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OK,
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I also think that Mayor Wilson and Governor Kotek are pretty
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low drama humans.
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SPEAKER_02: And I think that's kind of what is called for at this moment.
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SPEAKER_02: I mean,
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good for Gavin Newsom for sort of trying to pick on Trump and
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out Trump him on
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SPEAKER_02: social media and things like that.
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But I actually support the governor's strategy,
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which is nothing to see here.
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SPEAKER_02: Please look other ways.
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SPEAKER_00: I hear that.
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SPEAKER_00: I feel that.
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And there was something very cathartic when the mayor of
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Minneapolis said,
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fuck ICE.
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SPEAKER_02: I mean, I guess you're allowed to use that word on this podcast.
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And I think that if it comes to that,
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our governor and our mayor will certainly do that.
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SPEAKER_02: But luckily, I don't think we're there at this moment.
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SPEAKER_02: And I'll just go off the subject slightly.
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SPEAKER_02: Yeah.
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I find myself often not in a very good mood about politics in
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my job,
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okay?
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SPEAKER_02: If you read my column in the Southeast Examiner,
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SPEAKER_02: or you occasionally hear from constituents that have a meeting with me,
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SPEAKER_02: I'll tell them that my mood to use a grade is C minus.
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SPEAKER_02: And then they kind of look at me funny, like, C minus?
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SPEAKER_02: And I'm like, yeah, don't you know what I do for a living?
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SPEAKER_02: I mean, that feels like grade inflation.
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SPEAKER_02: And they go, okay, I get it.
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SPEAKER_02: And my point about that is,
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SPEAKER_02: it's a long-winded way to say,
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SPEAKER_02: if you look at things across the United States where ICE is very active,
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SPEAKER_02: and I'm going to use a negative word,
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SPEAKER_02: being successful.
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SPEAKER_02: It's because they have cooperation from state and local governments.
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SPEAKER_02: And in this state, they do not have our cooperation.
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SPEAKER_02: Now,
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SPEAKER_02: that doesn't mean that bad things aren't happening,
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but they're not getting assistance from county and city and
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state government to
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SPEAKER_02: carry out their duties.
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SPEAKER_02: And so we have less activity,
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SPEAKER_02: frankly,
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in this state and probably in Washington and California than
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they're seeing in the
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SPEAKER_02: Midwest and in eastern states.
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SPEAKER_02: So I take some comfort in that as best as we can,
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SPEAKER_02: the laws that our state has passed and are adhering to are helping.
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SPEAKER_00: Well,
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SPEAKER_00: and as you round the corner into the next legislative session,
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SPEAKER_00: the short session,
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SPEAKER_00: I know that this is going to be a topic of conversation for all of you.
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SPEAKER_00: 100%.
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What are some things that you and your colleagues are thinking
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about to also maybe
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SPEAKER_00: proactively be protecting Oregonians?
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SPEAKER_02: So your listeners are probably consumers of news,
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SPEAKER_02: and maybe they saw that a group of Democrat legislators in the House are
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SPEAKER_02: introducing a bevy of bills around immigration,
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SPEAKER_02: some of them to further strengthen our sanctuary laws,
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some of them to require that ICE and other law enforcement
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cannot show up to our
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SPEAKER_02: doors wearing a mask and have to have proper identification.
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SPEAKER_02: There's another one around strengthening our Fourth Amendment.
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SPEAKER_02: I'm not a lawyer like you,
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SPEAKER_02: Mike,
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SPEAKER_02: so if you ask me to sort of go into the details of some of this stuff,
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SPEAKER_02: I might struggle.
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SPEAKER_02: You might have Representative Chautzen on who's kind of taking the lead,
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but that we would use the protections of the United States
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Constitution and the
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Fourth Amendment to allow people that have been harmed by ICE
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to sue and go to
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SPEAKER_02: court.
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SPEAKER_02: So there's more,
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but those are the three that resonate immediately off the top
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of my head without
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SPEAKER_02: notes.
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SPEAKER_00: Yeah.
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SPEAKER_00: Well, that's great.
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SPEAKER_00: I mean, I know, like I said, folks are thinking about these things.
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It's been very heartening to hear from law enforcement
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officials across the country
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SPEAKER_00: on social media and in the news,
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SPEAKER_00: in the press.
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SPEAKER_00: I just saw,
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SPEAKER_00: I believe,
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the chief of police or a sheriff in Philadelphia talking very
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forcefully about how
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SPEAKER_00: she thinks about protecting the citizens of Philadelphia.
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It's been so heartening to hear law enforcement,
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local law enforcement stepping up and saying,
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SPEAKER_00: Hey, trust with the community is important.
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SPEAKER_00: Yes.
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SPEAKER_00: Wearing a mask that doesn't build trust.
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I think we're really lucky right now that Bob Day is willing to
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be the chief of
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SPEAKER_02: police in Portland.
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He is meeting the moment both in his style and his
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communication and the policy he
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SPEAKER_02: is trying to implement and good for him.
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SPEAKER_00: I agree.
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SPEAKER_00: I think, I think Chief Day has done a very good job.
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SPEAKER_00: You know, I obviously cut my teeth as DA in the 2020 protests.
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SPEAKER_01: I remember.
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SPEAKER_00: And,
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SPEAKER_00: and I got to say,
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SPEAKER_00: I was,
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SPEAKER_00: as we saw Trump too,
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SPEAKER_00: getting ready to come into office and I was exiting office,
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SPEAKER_00: I was very concerned about what the,
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SPEAKER_00: how that administration would choose to provoke our city.
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SPEAKER_00: And they tried.
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SPEAKER_02: It's worse than I thought.
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SPEAKER_02: Yeah.
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SPEAKER_02: It's actually worse than I thought, worse than I imagined.
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I continue to take some comfort in my C-minus mood that I'm
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still continually surprised.
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SPEAKER_02: I have naivete about how bad Donald Trump will be.
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SPEAKER_00: Well,
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SPEAKER_00: to continue down that path,
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one of the things I try to do on this show is to take national
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issues and bring it
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SPEAKER_00: to the local.
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SPEAKER_00: And nationally,
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SPEAKER_00: especially over the course of 2025,
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SPEAKER_00: we heard a lot about the big,
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SPEAKER_00: beautiful bill.
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SPEAKER_02: I hate that bill.
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SPEAKER_02: That bill is ruining my life.
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And so that is exactly what I wanted you to help explain to our
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audience in layperson's terms.
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SPEAKER_00: Why?
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SPEAKER_00: I hear, okay, big, beautiful bill.
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SPEAKER_00: That's terrible.
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SPEAKER_00: I can look at those policies and then wait,
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SPEAKER_00: this is going to blow a billion dollar hole in Oregon state budget.
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SPEAKER_00: Help me connect those dots.
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SPEAKER_02: I'll try to make it very simple.
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SPEAKER_02: So this state is,
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SPEAKER_02: under Governor Kitzhopper and a lot of other people along with him,
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SPEAKER_02: has done everything it could to embrace,
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SPEAKER_02: I'll call it Obamacare because your listeners know that,
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SPEAKER_02: or ACA expansion,
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SPEAKER_02: all right,
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SPEAKER_02: and make Medicare as available as possible to our state's residents.
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If there was a way to take advantage of federal Medicaid policy
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and make more
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SPEAKER_02: opportunity for health care available to Oregonians,
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SPEAKER_02: we did it,
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SPEAKER_02: okay?
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SPEAKER_02: Okay.
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And so you can go on websites and look at that Oregon is one of
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the states that
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SPEAKER_02: loses out the most with the implementation of this bill.
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And the bottom line for your listeners is that fewer people
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will have health care.
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SPEAKER_02: Their eligibility will be more rigorous.
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We currently do eligibility for the Medicaid program in Oregon
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every two years.
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We will be required to transition to ACA expansion Medicaid
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eligibility every six months.
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SPEAKER_02: And really,
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SPEAKER_02: to your listeners,
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the only reason to do that is to make it so that people fall
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off the rolls.
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SPEAKER_02: Yeah.
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SPEAKER_02: OK.
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SPEAKER_02: And when you fall off the rolls, the state doesn't have to cover you.
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SPEAKER_02: And we also don't get federal Medicaid match.
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SPEAKER_02: There's other things that are being done under that one big,
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beautiful bill to make it harder for Oregon to afford its
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Medicaid program.
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SPEAKER_02: And that's super nerdy and in the weeds.
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SPEAKER_02: But the bottom line is the one big,
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beautiful bill is going to make it harder for our state to
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enroll people in the
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SPEAKER_02: Medicaid program.
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SPEAKER_02: We'll have less coverage.
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SPEAKER_00: And so that is the budget hole.
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So you as a legislator in the legislature are looking at how do
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we keep as many
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SPEAKER_00: people as we can covered and balance the budget?
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SPEAKER_00: I mean, because states have to balance budgets.
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SPEAKER_00: They're not like the federal government.
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SPEAKER_02: You're 100% correct.
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SPEAKER_02: So we will figure that out.
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SPEAKER_02: All right.
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SPEAKER_02: Currently...
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budget leaders in the state of Oregon have gone in and looked
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at the Medicaid
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SPEAKER_02: program,
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SPEAKER_02: looked at the way it will change its operations under HR1,
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SPEAKER_02: the one big beautiful bill.
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SPEAKER_02: And currently,
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SPEAKER_02: right now,
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our estimates that we are solving to a half a billion dollar
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general fund problem.
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SPEAKER_02: So said another way,
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SPEAKER_02: if we could find half a billion dollars,
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SPEAKER_02: OK,
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SPEAKER_02: we wouldn't have to make cuts to our Medicaid program.
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But that's half a billion dollars that doesn't lower community
15:41
college tuition or
15:42
pay for teachers in classrooms or keep a prison open or help us
15:46
fight wildfires
15:47
SPEAKER_02: when our state burns down.
15:48
SPEAKER_02: So we're going to try to find a half a billion dollars in cuts,
15:53
SPEAKER_02: savings,
15:54
SPEAKER_02: program improvements,
15:55
SPEAKER_02: including
15:57
relying on people not enrolling or failing to enroll every six
16:02
months and getting
16:03
some benefit from savings because people don't enroll in a
16:06
benefit that they're
16:07
SPEAKER_02: entitled to.
16:09
SPEAKER_02: We're just getting started on that,
16:11
so I don't have a lot to regale your listeners with what policy
16:15
choices we're
16:15
SPEAKER_02: making.
16:15
SPEAKER_02: I can give a little hint to one thing that we're contemplating,
16:20
SPEAKER_02: which is how can we purchase prescription drugs for Medicaid in a more,
16:25
SPEAKER_02: frankly,
16:26
SPEAKER_02: coherent statewide cost savings bulk purchasing manner.
16:31
SPEAKER_00: Are you going to organize bus trips to Canada?
16:33
SPEAKER_02: That's not a thing.
16:34
Turns out the 30 million Canadians do not want Oregonians
16:39
coming to their country,
16:40
SPEAKER_02: or for that matter,
16:41
SPEAKER_02: anybody else in mass to take their medications.
16:46
SPEAKER_02: We looked into that back in 2020, and that's not a thing.
16:49
SPEAKER_00: That's not a thing.
16:50
SPEAKER_00: Well, I'm behind the times, but that's why you're there, Rob.
16:53
SPEAKER_00: You are an expert on this issue.
16:56
And so you're going to have to make some pretty tough decisions
17:01
coming up.
17:02
And you and I were texting about this the other day because I'm
17:05
starting to see
17:06
some things on social media around the fact that Oregon passed
17:11
Measure 111,
17:13
SPEAKER_00: which was that everybody,
17:15
SPEAKER_00: as a constitutional right,
17:17
SPEAKER_00: has a right to health care.
17:18
SPEAKER_02: I remember helping pass that bill because my best mentor,
17:21
SPEAKER_02: Mitch Greenlick,
17:23
SPEAKER_02: had died in office before we were able to pass it,
17:25
SPEAKER_02: so I had to help carry that bill.
17:27
Along with now Congresswoman Salinas,
17:29
we did it together when she was in the House.
17:32
SPEAKER_00: It is a big, audacious goal.
17:38
SPEAKER_00: And
17:40
SPEAKER_00: I think the goal that we should all be aspiring to,
17:43
SPEAKER_00: and when you were working on that,
17:44
there was not Trump 2 in office with all of these headwinds
17:49
that are clearly facing
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SPEAKER_00: us now.
17:52
Part of that measure set up a board of some sort that is
17:57
supposed to deliver a plan
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SPEAKER_00: for how Oregon is going to transition.
18:03
SPEAKER_00: So I'm seeing a lot of things on social media saying,
18:05
SPEAKER_00: hey,
18:06
SPEAKER_00: Oregon can be the first in the nation to deliver universal health care.
18:09
And I'm talking to one of the best representatives in the House
18:13
of Representatives
18:13
SPEAKER_00: in Oregon and hearing about these headwinds.
18:17
SPEAKER_00: What's coming for us?
18:18
SPEAKER_00: What do you see?
18:18
SPEAKER_00: How can we live up to our aspirations in Oregon?
18:24
SPEAKER_02: Okay.
18:26
We will receive a report sometime probably in the fall from a
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universal health care
18:30
SPEAKER_02: board who's hired smart people.
18:33
SPEAKER_02: They have a plan design, but we also need a financing plan, a tax plan.
18:37
SPEAKER_02: OK, so that's what they're working on right now.
18:41
SPEAKER_02: We'll see what they come up with.
18:43
It'll probably be a combination of payroll taxes and some sort
18:46
of income tax increase.
18:48
And,
18:48
you know,
18:50
we'll see what they we'll see how they figure out how to pay
18:53
for it.
18:54
I always kind of joke with some of the folks who want single
18:56
payer who say the
18:59
SPEAKER_02: insurance industry will just kill this.
19:01
SPEAKER_02: And I'm like,
19:02
SPEAKER_02: no,
19:02
I think it's more likely that Oregon voters will look at their
19:06
taxes having to go
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SPEAKER_02: up significantly and us trying to explain,
19:10
SPEAKER_02: but yeah,
19:10
SPEAKER_02: but you won't have co-pays.
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SPEAKER_02: You won't have out-of-pocket maximums.
19:14
These premiums that you pay that like,
19:16
or your employer pays will be absorbed in another manner.
19:20
SPEAKER_02: And then you won't have to worry about healthcare
19:22
It's a pretty big intellectual leap to try to get a lot of
19:25
people who get to vote
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SPEAKER_02: on this to get there.
19:29
SPEAKER_02: But stay tuned.
19:30
SPEAKER_02: We'll see.
19:31
SPEAKER_02: The main hurdles to getting universal health care adopted in Oregon are,
19:36
SPEAKER_02: will the federal government allow us to run the Medicare program?
19:40
SPEAKER_02: Not Medicaid, Medicare, OK, which is for senior citizens.
19:44
SPEAKER_02: OK, that's completely federal.
19:46
SPEAKER_02: Will they allow us to run the Medicaid program entirely?
19:49
Medicaid is a state and federal government program that is a
19:53
partnership between
19:54
SPEAKER_02: the federal government and states.
19:55
SPEAKER_02: Would they allow us to do that?
19:56
SPEAKER_02: You have to get waivers for that.
19:58
SPEAKER_02: OK, that's a nerd topic we can go into another time.
20:02
SPEAKER_02: Can we get a way around ERISA?
20:06
And I can never remember what ERISA stands for in clench
20:09
moments like this when I
20:10
SPEAKER_02: have to talk about it.
20:11
But it is a health insurance law that was passed in the late
20:14
70s that helps,
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SPEAKER_02: frankly,
20:17
large businesses that are multi-state be regulated by the
20:21
federal government so
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SPEAKER_02: that they don't have one style of benefit in Nevada,
20:25
SPEAKER_02: one style of benefit in Colorado,
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SPEAKER_02: one style of benefit in Oregon.
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SPEAKER_02: There's no waiver process for ERISA.
20:30
So can we survive an ERISA challenge of a large business in
20:35
Oregon doesn't want to
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SPEAKER_02: be taxed,
20:38
SPEAKER_02: OK,
20:38
SPEAKER_02: and then has to pay into the system and doesn't want to be in it?
20:41
SPEAKER_02: All those things, though, I would say are in the realm of possibility.
20:44
SPEAKER_02: They're just hard politically.
20:46
SPEAKER_02: Can we get a waiver?
20:47
SPEAKER_02: Can we get around ERISA?
20:48
SPEAKER_02: Can we get two waivers?
20:49
SPEAKER_02: Excuse me.
20:50
SPEAKER_02: And then, you know, could it pass at the ballot?
20:54
SPEAKER_02: I mean, those are the questions.
20:55
SPEAKER_02: And maybe
20:57
If things get bad enough in terms of costs and lack of coverage
21:01
by insurance plans,
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SPEAKER_02: even from good employers,
21:05
SPEAKER_02: the political calculus may tip.
21:07
SPEAKER_02: So I would say, stay tuned.
21:09
SPEAKER_02: I'm going to be 60 in two years.
21:12
SPEAKER_02: This could happen.
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SPEAKER_02: I don't think next year or the year after, but stay tuned.
21:19
SPEAKER_02: Well, good.
21:19
SPEAKER_02: I'm a B minus when it comes to passing something at the ballot.
21:22
SPEAKER_00: You're living up to your New Year's resolution to be optimistic.
21:25
SPEAKER_02: Yes, I'm trying to be hopeful.
21:27
Well,
21:27
I mean,
21:28
I think there are the headwinds that we identified and some
21:33
opportunities.
21:35
SPEAKER_00: Like you say,
21:36
SPEAKER_00: people are going to be receiving sticker shock,
21:39
SPEAKER_00: already have received sticker shock about the cost of their ACA plans.
21:43
SPEAKER_00: Correct.
21:44
SPEAKER_00: That will help this effort.
21:46
SPEAKER_00: That will help this effort because people –
21:48
SPEAKER_00: People are going to be opting out of having health care at all.
21:51
SPEAKER_02: Even individuals that have health insurance from their employer,
21:55
SPEAKER_02: a lot of employers are switching to high deductible plans.
21:59
SPEAKER_02: And those plans are fine if you are a relatively healthy person.
22:04
SPEAKER_02: But if you aren't able to save up money for ongoing chronic conditions,
22:09
SPEAKER_02: or maybe you have a baby,
22:10
SPEAKER_02: OK?
22:12
SPEAKER_02: Having a baby, even a normal delivery, is expensive.
22:18
SPEAKER_02: That's going to set you back.
22:20
SPEAKER_02: And it may be that as employers step away from health insurance that's
22:25
SPEAKER_02: comprehensive and covers costs,
22:28
there will be more pressure and suddenly a tax increase to
22:32
cover the cost of
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SPEAKER_02: universal health care will suddenly seem more inevitable or popular,
22:36
SPEAKER_02: like the least bad option.
22:38
SPEAKER_00: Well,
22:39
SPEAKER_00: that leads me into my next question,
22:41
SPEAKER_00: which was,
22:42
SPEAKER_00: we saw,
22:43
SPEAKER_00: on the vein of being hopeful,
22:45
SPEAKER_00: we saw a new elected mayor in New York City.
22:50
SPEAKER_00: And I've heard a lot of Portlanders be very excited about Mayor Mondami.
22:55
SPEAKER_00: I suspect at least six members of the Portland City Council are excited.
22:59
I actually bet all of those counselors actually would have
23:02
voted for him,
23:02
to be honest with you.
23:03
SPEAKER_02: Like,
23:04
SPEAKER_02: I think so.
23:04
SPEAKER_01: I mean, it's like Cuomo.
23:06
SPEAKER_01: They weren't voting for Cuomo.
23:08
SPEAKER_01: Who was going to vote for that guy?
23:09
SPEAKER_00: Yeah, no.
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SPEAKER_00: I think you're right.
23:11
I think if we polled our city council,
23:13
all 12 of them would have voted for Mondani.
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SPEAKER_00: And the mayor voted for Mondani.
23:16
SPEAKER_02: Yes, absolutely.
23:17
SPEAKER_00: And you brought in,
23:19
SPEAKER_00: and I think where I was going with this too,
23:21
SPEAKER_00: our local DSA is having a moment.
23:25
SPEAKER_00: They sure are.
23:26
SPEAKER_00: And those things and health care and costs that are facing people and job
23:31
SPEAKER_00: insecurity and all the challenges and also Trump being elected,
23:36
SPEAKER_00: all those things,
23:37
SPEAKER_00: there are common themes in that,
23:40
SPEAKER_00: right?
23:40
SPEAKER_00: People want...
23:42
SPEAKER_00: They're concerned.
23:43
SPEAKER_00: They're worried about the cost of living, inflation, jobs, safety.
23:47
SPEAKER_00: And Mamdani brought forth a plan that spoke to New York City residents.
23:52
SPEAKER_00: And we have here in the city of Portland,
23:54
SPEAKER_00: our six self-identified DSA aligned candidates on our city council.
24:01
SPEAKER_00: I'm not seeing the same vibes in the Oregon legislature.
24:06
SPEAKER_00: I think that's true.
24:08
SPEAKER_00: So tell me about that.
24:10
SPEAKER_00: Is this a moment or a movement?
24:14
SPEAKER_00: Is this going to get into larger politics in Oregon?
24:20
SPEAKER_02: I think here's how I would answer that.
24:22
Just because something is awesome in Portland doesn't mean it's
24:26
awesome in the
24:27
SPEAKER_02: burbs or in rural Oregon.
24:30
SPEAKER_02: And this is a very large state.
24:32
SPEAKER_02: This is a little off the subject, but just hang with me.
24:35
SPEAKER_02: Every once in a while in a town hall or in a meeting with constituents,
24:39
they're sort of pressuring me gently,
24:42
like,
24:42
why aren't we being more progressive?
24:44
SPEAKER_02: And I can point to things that we were able to accomplish,
24:46
SPEAKER_02: like in 2019 and 2021,
24:50
where I think we're high watermarks for progressive legislation
24:52
in this state.
24:54
SPEAKER_02: And I just have to remind voters, like,
24:56
SPEAKER_02: It gets really purple and really red in this state really fast.
25:01
And part of my job is to figure out politics is about peaceful
25:07
resolution of disagreement.
25:09
SPEAKER_02: OK.
25:10
SPEAKER_02: And I have to work things out with Republicans from rural areas.
25:15
SPEAKER_02: And a lot of times I can.
25:18
SPEAKER_02: And so that's just part of it.
25:19
SPEAKER_02: Like we're not a blue state.
25:23
SPEAKER_02: Like we are here in Portland,
25:24
SPEAKER_02: a super blue city,
25:27
SPEAKER_02: until you get,
25:27
SPEAKER_02: you know,
25:28
SPEAKER_02: once you get out into the burbs in rural areas,
25:30
SPEAKER_02: it gets really purple or really red really fast.
25:32
SPEAKER_02: Yeah.
25:32
SPEAKER_02: And then here's the other thing I would just say to my colleagues,
25:37
SPEAKER_02: politician colleagues on the city council.
25:39
I think it's hard to be a progressive,
25:42
a socialist when we're at a moment of revenue constraint.
25:48
SPEAKER_02: Like you just can't make the kind of,
25:51
SPEAKER_02: it takes investment,
25:52
SPEAKER_02: it takes resources to be able to make something happen.
25:56
And when you're in a moment of revenue constraint,
25:58
it's just really hard to do that.
25:59
SPEAKER_02: And we're sort of stuck
26:05
in a pretty capitalist economy that relies on revenue from
26:09
large businesses and
26:10
SPEAKER_02: property values.
26:11
SPEAKER_02: And we don't need to break all that down.
26:12
I know my colleagues in the city council and my colleagues in
26:17
county government understand that.
26:19
SPEAKER_02: But that's part of our challenge.
26:22
SPEAKER_02: It's not a socialist paradise here in Portland.
26:25
SPEAKER_00: Well,
26:27
SPEAKER_00: You went exactly where I wanted to go next,
26:29
SPEAKER_00: which is ending this line of questioning on a hopeful note,
26:33
SPEAKER_00: I hope.
26:34
But it goes back to that through line between Donald Trump
26:38
voters and MomDomni voters.
26:40
SPEAKER_00: And even when the mayor,
26:41
SPEAKER_00: the new mayor in New York City was getting sworn in,
26:45
SPEAKER_00: he recognized that,
26:47
SPEAKER_00: hey,
26:47
SPEAKER_00: many of you that voted for me voted for Donald Trump.
26:49
SPEAKER_00: Right.
26:50
SPEAKER_00: Oh, interesting.
26:51
SPEAKER_00: And I missed that.
26:52
SPEAKER_00: They're.
26:53
SPEAKER_00: there are those commonalities.
26:55
And I think it feels to me like more and more people are waking
26:59
up to the idea that
27:02
SPEAKER_00: There might be something more to this not being left versus right,
27:06
SPEAKER_00: but being more top versus bottom,
27:08
SPEAKER_00: more Elon Musk versus your local union worker.
27:13
And that to me seems like something that resonates red and
27:17
blue,
27:17
could resonate red and blue.
27:19
Well,
27:19
I feel like,
27:20
okay,
27:20
Marie Gusenkamp-Perez and probably a little bit Marjorie Taylor
27:24
Greene.
27:25
I'm sure I'm not supposed to throw her name out here on this
27:27
podcast,
27:27
but I'm going to anyway.
27:29
They talk a little bit about being skeptical of big business
27:32
and being skeptical of
27:33
SPEAKER_02: big government.
27:34
SPEAKER_02: Yeah, correct.
27:36
SPEAKER_02: The left tends to be skeptical of big business.
27:40
SPEAKER_02: The right tends to be skeptical of big government.
27:43
And sometimes big government isn't running programs that are
27:47
amazing that actually
27:49
help people the way that I would want big government to be able
27:52
to do that.
27:53
SPEAKER_02: And here's the way I would say,
27:56
SPEAKER_02: this is a little tangential,
27:57
but I think to the extent that people with leftists or
28:01
progressive politics don't
28:03
SPEAKER_02: lecture right-wing people,
28:05
SPEAKER_02: okay?
28:06
SPEAKER_02: And just listen, okay?
28:08
SPEAKER_02: And don't get all hung up on, do they use the right words?
28:12
SPEAKER_02: Is everything they say amazing?
28:14
SPEAKER_02: Do they ask you about your pronouns?
28:17
SPEAKER_02: All the things that we try to do.
28:21
SPEAKER_02: But instead, just be able to try to listen.
28:26
SPEAKER_02: I really think,
28:28
SPEAKER_02: actually,
28:28
unless it's completely fake and I don't go to drinks with
28:31
Marjorie Taylor Greene,
28:32
SPEAKER_02: it's super fascinating that she feels betrayed by Donald Trump.
28:38
And that's a moment of clarity that she achieved that we can
28:42
begin to work with,
28:43
SPEAKER_02: I think,
28:44
SPEAKER_02: if we want to bridge political divides,
28:47
SPEAKER_02: bring the country a little bit back together again,
28:49
SPEAKER_02: OK?
28:50
Her constituents don't think they would like a single-payer
28:53
system because it's socialism,
28:55
OK?
28:56
SPEAKER_02: But then her constituents
28:59
SPEAKER_02: They are the ones that really need good health care.
29:02
SPEAKER_02: Right.
29:02
SPEAKER_02: It's red parts of our country.
29:04
SPEAKER_02: Correct.
29:04
It's red parts of our state that are on Medicaid more so than
29:08
the blue parts of our state.
29:09
SPEAKER_02: Rural hospitals closing.
29:10
SPEAKER_02: Exactly.
29:11
And to the extent that we can build bridges by listening and
29:15
not lecturing so much
29:17
SPEAKER_02: the other side,
29:18
SPEAKER_02: I think we'll make progress.
29:19
SPEAKER_02: And that's kind of what politics is supposed to do.
29:22
I'm supposed to work it out with people that don't think they
29:24
want to get along
29:25
SPEAKER_02: with me or disagree with me.
29:27
SPEAKER_00: All right, good.
29:27
SPEAKER_00: Now I'm going to get you on the record.
29:29
SPEAKER_02: Okay.
29:31
Take that exact sentiment and thought and forecast for us in
29:36
this short session.
29:37
SPEAKER_00: What is something that the Democrats and the Republicans are going to
29:40
SPEAKER_00: collaboratively work on and emerge successfully?
29:44
SPEAKER_02: That is a great question.
29:46
SPEAKER_00: I teed you up for that.
29:48
SPEAKER_02: I wish you would have actually given
29:52
So I think that's actually really hard for me to answer because
29:56
we have hard
29:57
SPEAKER_02: choices to make around the budget.
29:59
We have hard choices to make around the taxes that we need to
30:02
support the budget
30:03
SPEAKER_02: and the programs that we have.
30:06
SPEAKER_02: And I I'm not sure yet.
30:10
All the things that my colleagues are working on to proactively
30:14
resist the worst of
30:16
SPEAKER_02: the Trump administration.
30:18
I think it will be very tempting for a lot of my Republican
30:21
colleagues to vote no.
30:24
I think they want to have as much federal disconnect on taxes
30:27
as they can stand.
30:29
SPEAKER_02: I don't think they like program cuts.
30:31
But they will also stand up for Oregonians being able to keep
30:35
as much of their
30:35
SPEAKER_02: hard-earned money as they can.
30:38
SPEAKER_02: I may get up in rural and say,
30:39
SPEAKER_02: look,
30:40
SPEAKER_02: people,
30:40
SPEAKER_02: we need to have some of this so we can have food stamps.
30:44
SPEAKER_00: I mean, health care in rural districts, right?
30:46
SPEAKER_00: We just said it.
30:47
SPEAKER_02: So we'll see.
30:49
SPEAKER_02: I'll go out on a limb and predict this.
30:51
SPEAKER_02: All right.
30:52
SPEAKER_02: I love it.
30:52
SPEAKER_02: Okay.
30:52
SPEAKER_02: Okay.
30:53
We Democrats,
30:56
we have lost on how to pay for transportation in this state.
31:00
SPEAKER_02: We've just fundamentally lost.
31:02
SPEAKER_02: OK, I'm just going to say that.
31:02
SPEAKER_02: That is well documented.
31:04
SPEAKER_02: OK, we lost.
31:05
SPEAKER_02: OK.
31:07
SPEAKER_02: And so we're going to start over.
31:08
SPEAKER_02: OK, like we lost so bad that Republican legislators banded together
31:15
SPEAKER_02: worked with grassroots activists,
31:17
SPEAKER_02: collected signatures to refer to all of us in record time,
31:21
SPEAKER_02: okay?
31:22
SPEAKER_02: So we're not going to do that.
31:25
SPEAKER_02: We're going to attempt to say, we're not going to put this on the ballot.
31:28
SPEAKER_02: We're just going to implement what you want, okay?
31:30
And that's going to be an interesting moment for Republicans
31:34
where they have to
31:35
SPEAKER_02: sort of say,
31:36
SPEAKER_02: let the people vote.
31:37
And we're like,
31:37
well,
31:38
why should they vote if we're just going to do what they want,
31:40
okay?
31:41
SPEAKER_02: And then what will they do?
31:42
SPEAKER_02: Do they vote no on repeal?
31:45
SPEAKER_02: Do they vote no on stopping the initiative?
31:48
SPEAKER_02: That puts them in a weird, awkward spot.
31:51
SPEAKER_02: So I'm going to guess
31:53
We're going to have strange political bedfellows and lots of
31:57
Republicans will take
31:59
SPEAKER_02: a victory lap and join Democrats in supporting a complete repeal of the
32:06
transportation package that we passed in the special session in
32:09
the fall and join
32:11
SPEAKER_02: us in not putting that thing on the ballot.
32:13
SPEAKER_02: And then candidly,
32:14
SPEAKER_02: I don't work on transportation,
32:16
SPEAKER_02: but a lot of my voters,
32:17
SPEAKER_02: our voters,
32:18
SPEAKER_02: your neighbors really care about it.
32:20
SPEAKER_02: Of course.
32:20
SPEAKER_02: We're just going to start over.
32:22
SPEAKER_02: We have no choice.
32:24
SPEAKER_00: All right.
32:25
SPEAKER_00: Well, that's the prediction.
32:26
SPEAKER_00: All right.
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SPEAKER_00: We'll see how it goes.
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SPEAKER_00: We'll see how it goes.
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SPEAKER_00: Rob Nose, thank you so much.
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You don't know this because you've never listened to the
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podcast as you told me
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SPEAKER_00: before you got here.
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SPEAKER_00: I know.
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SPEAKER_02: That's really bad.
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SPEAKER_02: Oh my God.
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SPEAKER_02: You're shaming me on your own podcast.
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SPEAKER_00: I know.
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SPEAKER_00: Well, that's my prerogative as the host.
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SPEAKER_00: And so here's what you don't know is coming.
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I like to do a thing with all of my guests where I invent some
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silly little game that we play.
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SPEAKER_00: And so the game that I invented for you is called Bill or BS.
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SPEAKER_02: Bill or BS.
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SPEAKER_00: And I'm going to name,
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SPEAKER_00: I'm going to say some bills and you're going to say if you think,
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SPEAKER_00: and these are,
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SPEAKER_00: these are from across the country.
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SPEAKER_00: So they're not just Oregon.
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SPEAKER_01: Okay.
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And you're going to guess whether or not you think that it is a
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real bill that was
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SPEAKER_00: proposed in some legislature somewhere.
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SPEAKER_02: Okay.
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SPEAKER_02: Or if you're making up, it's like, wait, wait, don't tell me.
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SPEAKER_02: That's like, okay.
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SPEAKER_02: Two truths and a lie.
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SPEAKER_02: You got it.
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SPEAKER_02: Okay.
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SPEAKER_02: I'm on it.
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SPEAKER_02: You ready?
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SPEAKER_02: Okay.
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SPEAKER_02: Yes.
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SPEAKER_00: All right.
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SPEAKER_00: Here we go.
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SPEAKER_00: I'm scared.
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SPEAKER_00: Bill number one, and then give us a little bit of why.
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SPEAKER_00: So bill number one,
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it directs the Oklahoma Wildlife Conservation Commission to
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establish a Bigfoot
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SPEAKER_00: hunting season,
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SPEAKER_00: including setting season dates and creating license fees.
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SPEAKER_02: I'm going to go not a bill.
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I'm going to go BS because I've never really heard about a
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Bigfoot thing in Oklahoma.
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SPEAKER_00: Well, you're 0 for 1, Representative Nios.
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SPEAKER_00: It's House Bill 1648 of Oklahoma actually did propose.
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SPEAKER_00: What?
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SPEAKER_00: Yeah.
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SPEAKER_00: Yeah.
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SPEAKER_00: All right.
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SPEAKER_00: You're going to get it this time.
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SPEAKER_00: OK, here we go.
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SPEAKER_00: All right.
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SPEAKER_00: Bill number two.
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It creates the Department of Vibes and requires all federal
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agencies to submit
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SPEAKER_00: quarterly vibe reports,
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SPEAKER_00: scorecards on social media and memes.
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SPEAKER_00: Oh, my God.
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SPEAKER_02: Please let that not be a bill.
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SPEAKER_02: I'm also going to say no, not a bill.
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SPEAKER_02: All right.
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SPEAKER_02: You're right.
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SPEAKER_02: But boy, it doesn't seem that far fetched.
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SPEAKER_00: Okay.
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SPEAKER_00: It's not a bill yet.
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SPEAKER_00: One for one.
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SPEAKER_00: I also don't want to manifest that as an idea.
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SPEAKER_00: Yes, exactly.
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SPEAKER_00: Right, right, right.
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SPEAKER_00: Moving along.
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SPEAKER_00: Okay.
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Bill number three,
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it designates Pluto as a state's official state planet.
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SPEAKER_00: Oh, wow.
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SPEAKER_02: You know,
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I feel like that could be like a kind of thing you do with some
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grade school kids
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SPEAKER_02: for fun.
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SPEAKER_02: I'm going to go, yes, that's a bill.
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SPEAKER_02: You got it.
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SPEAKER_00: Arizona, House Bill 2477.
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SPEAKER_00: Excellent.
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SPEAKER_00: Pluto is their state planet.
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SPEAKER_00: Okay.
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SPEAKER_00: I love that.
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SPEAKER_02: Even though Pluto is not considered a planet anymore.
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SPEAKER_00: And so that's kind of, yeah.
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SPEAKER_00: Yeah.
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SPEAKER_00: Okay.
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SPEAKER_00: Whatever.
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SPEAKER_00: Good for them.
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SPEAKER_00: Good for them.
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SPEAKER_00: Okay.
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SPEAKER_00: All right.
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Bill number four bans the sale of lab grown cell cultivated
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meat statewide.
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SPEAKER_02: Oh, I'm going to say that's a bill.
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SPEAKER_00: Yeah, that is a bill.
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Bonus points if you can name the state that would be against
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that type of lab-grown
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SPEAKER_00: cultivated meat.
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SPEAKER_00: I'm going to guess Texas.
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SPEAKER_00: You know, that would actually make a lot of sense.
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SPEAKER_00: It's Florida, though.
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SPEAKER_00: You know, I mean...
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SPEAKER_00: All right.
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SPEAKER_00: All right.
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SPEAKER_00: Okay.
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SPEAKER_00: All right.
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SPEAKER_00: The lab-grown alligator meat industry was really against that.
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SPEAKER_00: Next one.
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SPEAKER_00: Requires the FTC,
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SPEAKER_00: the Federal Trade Commission,
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to create rules so certain wipes must be labeled do not flush
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because basically
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SPEAKER_00: America's sewers are tired.
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SPEAKER_00: That's an FTC thing potentially?
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SPEAKER_02: I'm going to go yes.
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SPEAKER_02: That's a bill.
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SPEAKER_02: You're right.
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SPEAKER_02: It was the Wipes Act.
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SPEAKER_02: I mean, I guess that's a thing.
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SPEAKER_02: I understand.
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SPEAKER_02: I feel like the sign in those bathrooms is enough, but okay.
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SPEAKER_02: All right.
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SPEAKER_02: Okay.
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SPEAKER_02: All right.
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SPEAKER_02: Labeling's fine.
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SPEAKER_02: We're going to send us into the stalls.
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SPEAKER_02: Yes.
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SPEAKER_02: Okay.
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SPEAKER_02: Oh my God.
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SPEAKER_02: Okay.
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SPEAKER_02: Your listeners did not need that visual.
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SPEAKER_00: All right.
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Urges a state goal to phase out the sale of new electric
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vehicles by 2035.
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SPEAKER_00: To phase out the sale of electric vehicles by 2035.
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SPEAKER_00: I'm going to guess that's a bill, unfortunately.
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SPEAKER_00: It is.
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SPEAKER_00: Wyoming.
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SPEAKER_00: SJ0004.
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SPEAKER_00: That's a bad idea.
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SPEAKER_00: I hope that... Did they pass that?
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SPEAKER_00: I don't know.
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SPEAKER_00: Okay.
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SPEAKER_00: I hope so.
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SPEAKER_00: Or I hope not.
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SPEAKER_00: All right.
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SPEAKER_00: Number seven.
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Requires every state to rename French fries as freedom fries in
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all public school
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SPEAKER_00: cafeterias only during times of war.
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SPEAKER_00: Not a bill.
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SPEAKER_00: Not a bill.
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SPEAKER_00: Okay, thank God.
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SPEAKER_00: Not a bill.
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SPEAKER_00: But it didn't.
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SPEAKER_02: I almost guessed that as a bill.
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SPEAKER_02: Okay, not a bill.
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SPEAKER_00: You know, that's a throwback.
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SPEAKER_00: It's really hard.
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SPEAKER_02: I mean, like, who's going to call?
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SPEAKER_02: No one's calling them freedom fries.
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SPEAKER_00: No.
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SPEAKER_02: They're just not.
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SPEAKER_02: They just aren't freedom fries.
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SPEAKER_02: Palm frites, if you're really fancy.
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SPEAKER_02: We're kind of past the whole French thing anyway.
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SPEAKER_00: Yes, I think so.
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SPEAKER_00: We've got new enemies.
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SPEAKER_00: It's fine.
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SPEAKER_00: Yeah.
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SPEAKER_00: Next one prohibits intentionally injecting,
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SPEAKER_00: releasing,
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dispensing chemicals or substances into the atmosphere to
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affect temperature,
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SPEAKER_00: weather or sunlight intensity.
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SPEAKER_00: Oh, I think that could be a bill.
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SPEAKER_00: That is a bill.
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SPEAKER_00: That is a bill.
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SPEAKER_00: Well done.
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SPEAKER_00: Tennessee Senate Bill 2691.
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SPEAKER_00: Interesting.
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SPEAKER_00: This is one of those like chemtrail bills.
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SPEAKER_00: Yeah, yeah, yeah.
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SPEAKER_00: Okay.
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SPEAKER_00: Interesting.
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SPEAKER_01: Okay.
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SPEAKER_00: Yeah.
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SPEAKER_00: My dad will sit down and talk to you for an hour on chemtrails.
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SPEAKER_02: All right.
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SPEAKER_00: All right.
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SPEAKER_00: Next one.
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SPEAKER_00: Creates a National Raccoon Appreciation Month.
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SPEAKER_00: It requires the U.S.
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SPEAKER_00: mint.
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SPEAKER_00: No, that's not a thing.
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SPEAKER_00: You got it.
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SPEAKER_00: Okay, good.
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SPEAKER_00: All right.
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SPEAKER_00: Last one.
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SPEAKER_02: All right.
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SPEAKER_02: I like a raccoon, though.
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SPEAKER_02: They're mean, though.
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SPEAKER_02: People have them as pets now.
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SPEAKER_00: If you encounter them in the wild, they can be quite rough.
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SPEAKER_00: It's the thumbs.
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SPEAKER_00: Okay.
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SPEAKER_00: All right.
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SPEAKER_00: Last one.
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Requires any politician appearing on television to wear a lapel
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patch listing their
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SPEAKER_00: top three donors,
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SPEAKER_00: like NASCAR drivers.
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SPEAKER_00: Oh, wow.
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SPEAKER_00: I'm going to go, no, not a bill.
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SPEAKER_00: You're right.
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SPEAKER_00: You got it right.
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SPEAKER_00: It's not a bill, but I kind of want it.
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SPEAKER_00: Could you, would you representative notes?
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SPEAKER_01: No, I would not do that.
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SPEAKER_01: Oh my God.
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SPEAKER_01: That would look terrible.
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SPEAKER_01: Why would I do that?
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SPEAKER_00: Hey, it would, it would entice me to donate more to your campaign.
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SPEAKER_00: I want Mike Schmidt, the Schmidt show across your jacket.
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SPEAKER_00: No, thank you.
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SPEAKER_00: Okay.
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SPEAKER_00: Well, hey, thanks so much.
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SPEAKER_00: You actually, nine out of 10.
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SPEAKER_00: That's not bad.
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SPEAKER_00: You started 0 for 1.
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SPEAKER_00: Yes, I know.
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SPEAKER_00: It made me nervous.
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SPEAKER_00: You absolutely nailed it.
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SPEAKER_00: Rob Nose, thank you so much for coming on here.
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SPEAKER_02: Mike, thanks for having me.
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SPEAKER_02: I'm going to go back and listen to alumni podcasts.
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SPEAKER_02: Thanks, Rob.
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SPEAKER_00: All right.
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SPEAKER_00: Well, that's it for today.
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Big thanks to State Representative Rob Nose for coming on and
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getting into the real
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SPEAKER_00: nuts and bolts of what's ahead,
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SPEAKER_00: both in Salem and here in our city.
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SPEAKER_00: And here's the deal.
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SPEAKER_00: If any of this stuff matters to you and you're listening,
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SPEAKER_00: so I assume it does,
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SPEAKER_00: don't just yell into the void.
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SPEAKER_00: Aim your voice at the people who actually vote on it.
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