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  Speaker 1: Peter Krandlin live on sky Ingins Australia.
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  Speaker 2: Good evening, Welcome to the program. Here's what's coming up
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  Speaker 2: on the show tonight. A big weekend for the Liberal Party,
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  Speaker 2: a new leader and deputy and a minor uptick in
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  Speaker 2: the latest polls as a result, very very early days.
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  Speaker 2: Let's not get too excited, and there's a lot that
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  Speaker 2: Angus Taylor needs to get done to turn the Liberal
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  Speaker 2: ship around. Tomorrow we expect to announce his front bench.
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  Speaker 2: I'll give you some of my thoughts on that in
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  Speaker 2: a moment. Serious security fears is more so called isis
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  Speaker 2: brides apply for Australian passports. Now the government will say
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  Speaker 2: they've got no plans to repatriate this group of Islamic
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  Speaker 2: state supporters.
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  Speaker 3: We've heard that before.
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  Speaker 2: Speaking of immigration, why on Earth and Susan Lee sit
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  Speaker 2: on an immigration overhaul for so long?
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  Speaker 3: Now?
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  Speaker 2: On face value, there's plenty of common sense in her plan,
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  Speaker 2: but too late, she cried, and Gus Taylor owing he'll
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  Speaker 2: make immigration a big issue from day one under his leadership,
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  Speaker 2: and with that change of the guard where we finally
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  Speaker 2: see some of those standout liberals who were muzzled under
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  Speaker 2: Lee returned to prominence. As Taylor promises to take up
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  Speaker 2: the fight to labor. One of those just Enterprise joins
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  Speaker 2: me later.
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  Speaker 4: I'm back, baby, I'm back.
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  Speaker 5: I was having a breather, but I'm I'm back.
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  Speaker 2: Let's start with this issue because it's hardly a political earthquake,
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  Speaker 2: but the first early signs are in and they're positive
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  Speaker 2: for the Liberal Party's new leadership.
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  Speaker 3: As I say, early signs.
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  Speaker 2: Were only three days in, and with Susan's Lee legacy
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  Speaker 2: of the fifteen percent Liberal primary, it's a long long
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  Speaker 2: way back.
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  Speaker 3: For the Party of Mensies.
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  Speaker 2: But I can't be alone in feeling that on Friday
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  Speaker 2: the Liberal Party turned a corner. That Friday felt like
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  Speaker 2: an end to the rot that began under Malcolm Turnbull.
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  Speaker 2: Don't worry, I'll come back to him at a moment
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  Speaker 2: after his ran his low rent rant on the ABC
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  Speaker 2: on Friday. But here's why I say this hope yet
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  Speaker 2: for the Liberals. The Resolve poll today, largely conducted prior
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  Speaker 2: to Angus Taylor's thumping win on Friday, put the Coalition
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  Speaker 2: under Taylor in a tie with one nation on twenty
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  Speaker 2: three percent each. But when those same voters were asked
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  Speaker 2: about the coalition under Susan Lee. They put one nation
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  Speaker 2: well ahead twenty five percent support, and they dropped the
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  Speaker 2: Libs back to just twenty percent if.
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  Speaker 3: Led by Lee.
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  Speaker 2: Now, obviously even a tire with one nation still dire,
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  Speaker 2: but as not quite as bad as it might have been,
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  Speaker 2: and it's a clear signal that Liberals have made the
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  Speaker 2: right choice in dispatching Lee and electing Taylor.
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  Speaker 3: The fact too, that his win was a lot.
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  Speaker 2: More comprehensive than predicted, says even Lee supporters in the
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  Speaker 2: room knew her time was up. Now, anyone who understands
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  Speaker 2: politics knows that changing the leader is no silver bullet,
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  Speaker 2: but it's an essential first step in the long road
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  Speaker 2: back to being politically competitive, because as deeply underwhelming as
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  Speaker 2: the Albanezer government might be, unless the Liberals take the
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  Speaker 2: fight up to them, a bad government will continue and
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  Speaker 2: our country will keep going backwards. Another good sign that
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  Speaker 2: I was looking for, and it was clearly evident almost immediately,
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  Speaker 2: is that the new leader and his deputy have been
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  Speaker 2: hitting the airwaves and doing media events to make it
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  Speaker 2: clear that the Liberals really are under new management and
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  Speaker 2: ready to take up a fight to the government. Here
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  Speaker 2: is a Angus Taylor, admitting the mistakes were made, including
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  Speaker 2: by him, in the run up to the last election.
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  Speaker 6: Well, first of all, we've got to admit the mistakes
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  Speaker 6: we've made in the past. We made a mistake in
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  Speaker 6: the election campaign. We need to convince Australians that we
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  Speaker 6: will be the Party of Lower Texas and we will
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  Speaker 6: take as strong, strong policy package to the next election.
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  Speaker 6: Along those lines, he.
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  Speaker 2: Said, the Coalition will oppose Labour's looming tax increases not
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  Speaker 2: just CGT so not just on the sale of property,
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  Speaker 2: but also so called carbon border adjustments, which are basically
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  Speaker 2: carbon tariffs on carbon tax sorry on imports that every
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  Speaker 2: Australian consumer and business will end up paying as well.
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  Speaker 2: Today a series of Coalition frontbenches, we're in the media
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  Speaker 2: all stressing that our immigration intake has not just to
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  Speaker 2: be smaller but better, with no place for Islamist extremists.
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  Speaker 7: Not tolerate anyone coming to our country who hates Australia.
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  Speaker 7: We are going to shut the door. I think the
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  Speaker 7: idea of ensuring that terrorist supporters from a terrorist region
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  Speaker 7: potentially not coming to this country has a lot of merit.
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  Speaker 8: It certainly hasn't come through the the new shadow cabin
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  Speaker 8: is going to be announced tomorrow, but didn't even go
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  Speaker 8: through Susan Lee's shadow cabinet, So I can't comment on
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  Speaker 8: it because I haven't seen it. But look, I can
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  Speaker 8: certainly support what Angus Taylor has said. I mean the
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  Speaker 8: comments that he's made, I think are common sense that
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  Speaker 8: we don't want people who are dangerous.
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  Speaker 2: Now, Look, Taylor's not arguing that we should discriminate on
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  Speaker 2: the basis of religion, but it's crazy not to discriminate
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  Speaker 2: on the basis of values. Take this guy, for instance,
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  Speaker 2: Islamic Councilor Victoria President Mohammed Mahardeen, who has led the
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  Speaker 2: state's peak body for years. His latest comments, sent out
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  Speaker 2: via a recent newsletter, call for the Islamic community to
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  Speaker 2: unite against quote oppressors and resist any attempts to reform
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  Speaker 2: places of worship and institutions. As The Herald Sun also
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  Speaker 2: reported today, Mahadeen waged war against political forces seeking to
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  Speaker 2: scrutinize an altar Islamic society in Victoria. And he's no
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  Speaker 2: stranger to controversy either, previously investigated over quote offensive and
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  Speaker 2: divisive social media posts while he served as a taxpayer
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  Speaker 2: funded Multicultural Commissioner, with Jewish leaders accusing him of stoking division,
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  Speaker 2: and just last week he uninvited state Liberal MPs from
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  Speaker 2: Open Mosque Day events after they called out inflammatory language
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  Speaker 2: used by Muslim leaders and preachers in speeches delivered in
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  Speaker 2: response to the terror attack in Bandai. Seriously, are these
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  Speaker 2: the sort of values we think belong in Australia. Indeed,
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  Speaker 2: people who were believers of a caliphate, or believe in
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  Speaker 2: Sharia law, for instance, or have an Islamic state flag
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  Speaker 2: in their car, as was allegedly the case with the
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  Speaker 2: Bondnie shooters. Surely they disqualify themselves as a sort of
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  Speaker 2: people we want in this country.
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  Speaker 3: Don't they?
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  Speaker 2: I mean, how could they, in good conscience even swear
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  Speaker 2: our Citizenship oath, our oath which declares that I swear
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  Speaker 2: allegiance to Australia and its people, whose democratic beliefs I
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  Speaker 2: share and whose rights and liberties I respect.
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  Speaker 3: Shure be a law is inconsistent with that. And if
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  Speaker 3: you can't.
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  Speaker 2: Swear the oath, or if you don't mean it, as
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  Speaker 2: Taylor said on Friday, our doors now shut. How long
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  Speaker 2: have we waited, finally for a liberal leader to say
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  Speaker 2: just that Today In all his media Taylor again put
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  Speaker 2: the issue of immigration front and center.
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  Speaker 6: We believe in democracy. We believe that you need to
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  Speaker 6: obey the law. We believe in basic freedom to speech
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  Speaker 6: and religion, and if people don't accept those things, they
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  Speaker 6: shouldn't come to our country. We should shut the door
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  Speaker 6: to people wanting to come to our country who want
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  Speaker 6: to bring the hate and violence of another part of
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  Speaker 6: the world to our If you want to come to
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  Speaker 6: our country, you've got to adopt our way of life,
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  Speaker 6: our call beliefs. Otherwise, stay where you are.
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  Speaker 2: As I just said, that sort of clarity has been
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  Speaker 2: a long time coming. So far, so good, but the
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  Speaker 2: tailor opposition will have to be much braver when it
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  Speaker 2: comes to releasing policy that puts sound principles into effective practice.
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  Speaker 2: Today's Guy News revealed leaked details of an immigration policy
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  Speaker 2: hadn't gone through shadow cabinet, hadn't really been seen by
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  Speaker 2: the colleagues, but at least it was pen to paper,
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  Speaker 2: and this was a policy Susan Lee had commissioned but
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  Speaker 2: for whatever reason, never released. The policy call for visas
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  Speaker 2: to be declined for entrance from parts of some thirteen
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  Speaker 2: countries where Islamist extremism is widespread. The policy would quote
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  Speaker 2: catail the entry into Australia of people from regions identified
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  Speaker 2: as haven's for Isist terror organizations, places such as Gaza,
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  Speaker 2: Somalia and parts of the Philippines. Gaza, let's not forget
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  Speaker 2: under labor has sent three thousand people to our shores. Now,
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  Speaker 2: this policy is good.
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  Speaker 3: You shouldn't be backward here.
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  Speaker 2: It's a good policy because why should Australia give the
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  Speaker 2: benefit to entrance who may well be Islamist fanatics.
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  Speaker 3: But the fact it was.
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  Speaker 2: Never even released tells you something, doesn't it That the Liberals,
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  Speaker 2: at least under Susan Lee, we're nervous about making the
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  Speaker 2: tough calls needed if Australia is to keep its character. Now,
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  Speaker 2: Taylor's right on immigration. It's not just that the numbers
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  Speaker 2: have been too high. It's that the quality has been
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  Speaker 2: too low. But the sooner there's flesh on the policy
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  Speaker 2: bones here, the sooner the better. And when that happens,
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  Speaker 2: I predict the polls should shift, and they should shift.
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  Speaker 2: They must shift, not just for the Liberals to get
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  Speaker 2: back in the game, but also for our country. And
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  Speaker 2: now to that ultimate miserable ghost of Australian politics, A
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  Speaker 2: man who promised he would not be better and twisted
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  Speaker 2: about losing the prime ministership. And there, of course I
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  Speaker 2: talk about Malcolm bly Turnbull. Why sits him well, doesn't it?
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  Speaker 2: Here he was rushing into the media last Friday to
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  Speaker 2: attack the new leader of his old Liberal Party.
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  Speaker 9: A lot of people say about Angus Taylor is he
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  Speaker 9: is the best qualified idiot they've ever met.
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  Speaker 2: I mean ever the narcissist Turnbull's completely eaten up by
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  Speaker 2: his failure. Man who can forget that in his only
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  Speaker 2: ever election races leader he lost fourteen seats to Bill
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  Speaker 2: Shorten and then had to be dragged kicking and screaming
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  Speaker 2: to his own election night events before he launched into
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  Speaker 2: an unhinged spray against all and sundry.
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  Speaker 9: Based on the advice I have from the party officials,
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  Speaker 9: we can have every confidence that we will form a
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  Speaker 9: coalition majority government in the next time. The Labor Party
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  Speaker 9: ran some of the most systematic, well funded lies ever
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  Speaker 9: peddled in Australian.
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  Speaker 2: Bond or old Mister Harveside mansion. I mean, he still
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  Speaker 2: pretends he was a success in the top job. Look
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  Speaker 2: at this exchange between him and the celebrated British journalist
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  Speaker 2: Andrew Neil.
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  Speaker 10: Telling me your own party didn't want you to win the.
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  Speaker 9: Next Well, I'm just saying, if you analyze credit well, Andrew,
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  Speaker 9: you've only got to look at the facts, which has.
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  Speaker 10: Had forty consecutive pools in which you were never ahead
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  Speaker 10: of Labor forty.
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  Speaker 9: But we had become withdrawn as essentially drawn equal even
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  Speaker 9: and in our own polling in the marginal seats, which
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  Speaker 9: is obviously the only ones that matter, you know, in
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  Speaker 9: terms of determining government, we were ahead, were you?
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  Speaker 3: I mean, it's delusion.
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  Speaker 2: Even since leaving Parliament, Turnbull's campaigned relentlessly against the party
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  Speaker 2: that made him leader not once but twice more for
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  Speaker 2: the Liberal Party and eventually gifted him the Prime ministership.
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  Speaker 2: He pointedly refused to back Liberal Dave Shama when he
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  Speaker 2: was chosen to replace Turnbull at the twenty eighteen went
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  Speaker 2: Worth by election. In the twenty twenty one New South
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  Speaker 2: Wales Upper Hunter by election, Turnbull donated three thousand dollars
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  Speaker 2: to the Green Independent.
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  Speaker 3: Running against the National Party candidate. Twenty twenty two.
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  Speaker 2: Turnbulls son Alex donated twenty five thousand to the successful
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  Speaker 2: tiald in Wentworth and everyone I know connected to the
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  Speaker 2: race last election says the turbul went out of his
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  Speaker 2: way to support Bianca Spender again, sorry, Spender again, and
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  Speaker 2: refused to lift a finger to support the Liberal candidate
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  Speaker 2: Roe Knox. Then there's his bromance with Labour's Chris Bowen,
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  Speaker 2: as typified by this photo taken last week in Canberra,
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  Speaker 2: and Malcolm's constant bleeting that the Liberals have supposedly moved
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  Speaker 2: to the hard right.
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  Speaker 9: There are a group of people that by now I
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  Speaker 9: think essentially majority, who think the object of politics is
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  Speaker 9: to win the approval of a relatively narrow part of
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  Speaker 9: the what you might call the right wing media. You
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  Speaker 9: know a sky Sky up the dark and you know
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  Speaker 9: fellow travelers in social media and radio.
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  Speaker 3: Sky's Sky's guy.
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  Speaker 2: I mean, I used to think that the best response
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  Speaker 2: to someone like Turnbull was just to ignore him, that
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  Speaker 2: expelling him from the Liberal Party would just make him
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  Speaker 2: a martyr. But now there is into the low rent
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  Speaker 2: abuse of a party leader. Any self respecting political party
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  Speaker 2: keep him as a member, just as his colleagues showed
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  Speaker 2: him the door twice. I think it's high time the
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  Speaker 2: Liberal Party did too. All right, let's go to Camber
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  Speaker 2: now for the headline. Skyni's political reporter cam Reddin.
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  Speaker 11: Good Evening SKYNIWS has exclusively revealed details of the coalitions
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  Speaker 11: tightly held migration policy. The plan developed under Susan Lee
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  Speaker 11: proposes a three year pause on visa processing for thirty
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  Speaker 11: seven regions controlled by fifteen listed terror groups. Nations that
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  Speaker 11: could be targeted are listed Afghanistan, Algeria, Cameroon, Egypt, Lebanon, Libya, Mali, Niger, Nigeria, Palestine,
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  Speaker 11: the Philippines, Somalia and Yemen.
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  Speaker 6: If someone doesn't subscribe to our core beliefs, the door
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  Speaker 6: must be shut.
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  Speaker 11: The full plan hasn't gone through Shadow Cabinet, but on
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  Speaker 11: the principle.
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  Speaker 8: We don't want people who are dangerous.
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  Speaker 10: I like to command them for chasing one nation policies.
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  Speaker 3: Before they've been chasing the poles. Now they're chasing one
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  Speaker 3: nation policies.
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  Speaker 11: Liberal leader Angus Taylor will unveil his new look front
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  Speaker 11: bench as soon as tomorrow, with many of his supporters
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  Speaker 11: jostling for a promotion, including Senator Justinto Namba jimper Price,
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  Speaker 11: who was dumped by Susan Lee after linking Indian migration
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  Speaker 11: to support for the Labor Party.
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  Speaker 7: There were many people trying to target her, bring her down.
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  Speaker 7: It was completely improper.
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  Speaker 11: Comments, she admits were clumsy.
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  Speaker 4: But and don't try to force me to apologize for
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  Speaker 4: something that doesn't require an apology, and don't apologize on
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  Speaker 4: my behalf either.
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  Speaker 5: I've got my own voice.
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  Speaker 11: Alleged Bondi gunman Nevid Akram has faced court for the
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  Speaker 11: first time. He appeared via video link, facing fifty nine charges,
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  Speaker 11: including fifteen counts of murder and one count of committing
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  Speaker 11: a terror attack. Akram's lawyer spoke briefly outside court.
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  Speaker 8: Been to govern and visit.
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  Speaker 12: Him and how did he seem to you on that visit.
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  Speaker 8: He's just a client and he's a client that needs
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  Speaker 8: to be represented, and we don't let our personal view
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  Speaker 8: get in the way of our professional obligations.
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  Speaker 11: Cameron Reddin's Sky News Canberra all R.
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  Speaker 2: I'd love to get across Johnny with Ow. Sky's political
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  Speaker 2: contributor Chris Yelman.
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  Speaker 3: Chris will start with.
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  Speaker 2: The leadership change on Friday on the coalition side, on
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  Speaker 2: the Liberal Party side to be specific, early days, but
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  Speaker 2: it appears certainly that Taylor's out there front and center.
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  Speaker 2: He wants his messages to be the economy, taxes, inflation,
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  Speaker 2: all of those got to mention, but very much he's
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  Speaker 2: put immigration in the frame, not just the quantum but
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  Speaker 2: the quality. Now three days let's put a bit of
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  Speaker 2: caution here. It's three days in, but that resolve pol
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  Speaker 2: overnight showed almost immediately he's got the Liberal Party or
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  Speaker 2: the Coalition neck connect with one nation on a twenty
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  Speaker 2: three percent primary.
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  Speaker 3: If you put Susan.
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  Speaker 2: Lee back in the top job, that gulf opens out
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  Speaker 2: up between the Coalition and one Nation. So early days,
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  Speaker 2: but he's got a little bit of good will from voters.
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  Speaker 2: Is going to have to move fast, though, isn't he
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  Speaker 2: because people are close to stopping listening to the Coalition
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  Speaker 2: and they have been disappointed for some time.
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  Speaker 13: Oh yeah, Peter, it is a very little bit that
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  Speaker 13: he's improved the margin. It begins now all the work
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  Speaker 13: that he has to do over the course of a
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  Speaker 13: couple of years, and he has to understand that is
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  Speaker 13: day in, day out, week in week out of traversing Australia,
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  Speaker 13: making sure that you have message discipline, making sure that
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  Speaker 13: you have policies that will actually begin to draw people
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  Speaker 13: back into your party and to try and rebuild the
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  Speaker 13: trust that has been broken. And that's the hardest part,
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  Speaker 13: of course, because all of us know in life that
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  Speaker 13: once you lose trust in someone, getting that trust back
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  Speaker 13: is very difficult. So these are very very early days.
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  Speaker 13: And it reminds me, Peter that I saw Tony Abbot
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  Speaker 13: in the second time round. So he goes through an
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  Speaker 13: election campaign, goes neck and neck with Julia Gellard of
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  Speaker 13: twenty ten. I think maybe in about twenty thirteen twenty fourteen,
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  Speaker 13: I saw him in Alice Springs talking to about four
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  Speaker 13: people in a bar. He was clearly exhausted, but he
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  Speaker 13: had been lapping in the nation with the same message
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  Speaker 13: for pretty near six years. He put in the work.
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  Speaker 13: Now Angus Taylor and his team has to put in
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  Speaker 13: the work.
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  Speaker 2: He's also going to put his best team on the paddicker.
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  Speaker 2: I made this point very strongly on Friday, and I've
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  Speaker 2: written about it over the weekend as well. He has
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  Speaker 2: to look past mates it then I'm up to it.
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  Speaker 2: They might be people that have been supporters for some time.
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  Speaker 2: He can't put them on the front bench if their enemies,
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  Speaker 2: but they are enemies with cut through an intellect provided
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  Speaker 2: you know, they're not machiavellian if they're on the other
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  Speaker 2: side of the factional divide to him. But they are
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  Speaker 2: absolutely the best people in those portfolios. He has to
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  Speaker 2: look past that and put them in his front bench
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  Speaker 2: team because if they succeed, if the best people in
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  Speaker 2: the best roles succeed, well he'll succeed.
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  Speaker 3: And he doesn't get two shots at this.
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  Speaker 13: No, And as Benjamin Franklin once famously said, we'll either
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  Speaker 13: all hang together or we'll all hang separately. So now
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  Speaker 13: the Liberal Party has to get the message that this
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  Speaker 13: is all about discipline. They have a very short period
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  Speaker 13: of time to try and rebuild an enormous hill which
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  Speaker 13: they have demolished themselves, to get back to being anything
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  Speaker 13: like a credible party. And they're up against not just
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  Speaker 13: the Labor Party, they're up against a very disciplined one
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  Speaker 13: Nation party and I expect that over the course of
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  Speaker 13: the next six months or so we'll see one nation
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  Speaker 13: come forth with some very credible candidates. What they need
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  Speaker 13: to also do is put some policy around the bones.
• 19:47
  Speaker 13: It may well be that one Nation gets in front
• 19:50
  Speaker 13: of a Liberal Party at some stage, because people are
• 19:53
  Speaker 13: clearly going beyond just wanting to experiment, but to actually
• 19:56
  Speaker 13: have a punt with one nation and we'll find out
• 19:59
  Speaker 13: how to deep that goes when we see the South
• 20:01
  Speaker 13: Australian election.
• 20:03
  Speaker 2: And not just draft up the policy, Chris, they've got
• 20:05
  Speaker 2: to get it out. I mean this policy that leaked
• 20:07
  Speaker 2: out today that have been I think only really developed
• 20:10
  Speaker 2: in Susan Lee's office with the Shadow Minister hadn't gone
• 20:14
  Speaker 2: to Shadow Cabinet, certainly not gone to the party room.
• 20:16
  Speaker 2: That they would put thirteen countries, countries with links to
• 20:22
  Speaker 2: Islamist extremists on some sort of watch list and limit
• 20:27
  Speaker 2: very strongly limit visas for people from those countries. I
• 20:31
  Speaker 2: think most people watching at home would be surprised that
• 20:33
  Speaker 2: that isn't currently the practice. It is not a labor
• 20:38
  Speaker 2: currently takes people from all of these countries, many of them.
• 20:41
  Speaker 2: As you know, we can't properly security check. But again
• 20:46
  Speaker 2: this is also the problem. Susan Lee had a real
• 20:49
  Speaker 2: policy constipation in her office and that's got to change
• 20:53
  Speaker 2: under Taylor.
• 20:56
  Speaker 13: You look, I don't know why that didn't come out.
• 20:57
  Speaker 13: And when it comes to immigration, there are two ishes.
• 21:00
  Speaker 13: Is one is the numbers themselves, and that's just too many.
• 21:03
  Speaker 13: That's a simple message that you get out there, and
• 21:05
  Speaker 13: the other one, obviously is the values piece. And I
• 21:08
  Speaker 13: thought it amusing today when I saw people talking about
• 21:10
  Speaker 13: this extreme right wing policy out of Susan Lee's office,
• 21:12
  Speaker 13: which Angus Taylor is going to pick up. Yeah, I
• 21:15
  Speaker 13: guess he's trying to do it in the UK Keir Starmer,
• 21:17
  Speaker 13: that well known far right leader. So countries around the
• 21:21
  Speaker 13: world have got the message on immigration and it's a
• 21:24
  Speaker 13: message that actually started in Australia under the Howard government.
• 21:27
  Speaker 13: There was amplified under the Abbott government and then under
• 21:30
  Speaker 13: every other iteration of the Coalition and now it is
• 21:33
  Speaker 13: bipartisan policy in Australia. So if they start talking about
• 21:36
  Speaker 13: immigration numbers and about people needing to align without values,
• 21:41
  Speaker 13: they can forget all the noise that they'll get in
• 21:43
  Speaker 13: the media and all the do gooder groups they'll be
• 21:45
  Speaker 13: getting head nods in lounge rooms around Australia. They need
• 21:48
  Speaker 13: to stick to their guns.
• 21:52
  Speaker 2: And he wants to show people who don't share our
• 21:54
  Speaker 2: values the door doesn't share Australian values, as Syngus Taylor.
• 21:58
  Speaker 2: Should he show malcome to Turmble the door give it.
• 22:01
  Speaker 2: He doesn't share liberal party values.
• 22:05
  Speaker 13: Well, that's the matter for Angus. It's a surprised no
• 22:07
  Speaker 13: one that Malcolm Turnbull has had a list for some
• 22:09
  Speaker 13: time now is checking it twice to find out who's
• 22:12
  Speaker 13: naughty and nice when it came to his last government,
• 22:14
  Speaker 13: and he's been taking some of those people out. Can
• 22:16
  Speaker 13: I say he's been most effective at it? And he's
• 22:20
  Speaker 13: made no secret about the fact that his campaign against
• 22:22
  Speaker 13: the Liberal Party, because it wasn't that long ago. I
• 22:24
  Speaker 13: think that he went down to Coo Jong and had
• 22:25
  Speaker 13: an event with Monique Ryan and that's a seat. Obviously
• 22:28
  Speaker 13: the Liberal Party would desperately like to get back and
• 22:30
  Speaker 13: might even say Josh Frodenberg might be thinking about running
• 22:33
  Speaker 13: there again. So I look again, this is no great
• 22:36
  Speaker 13: surprise to anyone. Malcolm Turnble's very angry at his former party.
• 22:39
  Speaker 13: Seems to be a bit of a habit. They're going
• 22:40
  Speaker 13: to say, Peter of former Liberal it is Malcolm Fraser,
• 22:43
  Speaker 13: John Houston, Malcolm Turnbule. They all seem to fit into
• 22:46
  Speaker 13: that mold after they leave their party that they're very
• 22:49
  Speaker 13: deeply angry with it.
• 22:51
  Speaker 2: Well, it's only the lefties, Chris, it's only the moderates.
• 22:55
  Speaker 3: Fraser. I never thought it.
• 22:59
  Speaker 2: Well, he was when he was Prime minister, but after
• 23:01
  Speaker 2: he left office he absolutely moved to the left. I
• 23:04
  Speaker 2: think it's a curse of the moderates and that shows.
• 23:08
  Speaker 2: So he says to me, they're basically refugees from labor
• 23:10
  Speaker 2: who've got a birth with the liberals. More for the liberals,
• 23:13
  Speaker 2: but once found out, you know they've turned sour.
• 23:17
  Speaker 3: Hey, you've got a good doco though.
• 23:18
  Speaker 2: On someone who has no no opportunity or chance or
• 23:23
  Speaker 2: fear that they will go to the left. This is,
• 23:25
  Speaker 2: of course John Howard. And it's thirty years on from
• 23:29
  Speaker 2: the election of the Howard government.
• 23:31
  Speaker 3: Let's have a look.
• 23:33
  Speaker 1: We were told watch young John Howard.
• 23:36
  Speaker 3: It could be a future star and he.
• 23:39
  Speaker 14: Wants in his own words, it was pretty tough going
• 23:42
  Speaker 14: from the very beginning.
• 23:43
  Speaker 1: And those who know him best, he.
• 23:45
  Speaker 3: Got down in the bed with his arms around. My
• 23:47
  Speaker 3: father had said, you are my moral compass is and
• 23:51
  Speaker 3: he his grew important.
• 23:52
  Speaker 1: Christy woman offers a ware limpse into the personal life
• 23:56
  Speaker 1: and career of John Howard.
• 23:58
  Speaker 12: To be his daughter to him done something like that
• 24:00
  Speaker 12: for our country is amazing.
• 24:02
  Speaker 1: On the thirtieth anniversary of him taking offers, we visit
• 24:05
  Speaker 1: the Prime ministership that would shape down they sharemer I.
• 24:08
  Speaker 6: Became leader by action of them and was removed by Ambush.
• 24:13
  Speaker 1: I regret that it ended badly. John was abot to
• 24:16
  Speaker 1: see as the leader.
• 24:19
  Speaker 5: I'm going to reveal something that John Hard said to me.
• 24:21
  Speaker 5: I don't think you mind. Let's not pick on him yet.
• 24:24
  Speaker 13: Do you have any regrets.
• 24:26
  Speaker 1: John Howard? A Life in Politics premieres March eleven on
• 24:30
  Speaker 1: Sky News Australia.
• 24:34
  Speaker 2: Hey, Chris, you've observed him for most of your working life,
• 24:37
  Speaker 2: I mean doing this project? Did this open another side
• 24:41
  Speaker 2: to John Howard, even to someone like you.
• 24:46
  Speaker 13: Yeah, everyone agrees on the warmth of his personality, which
• 24:49
  Speaker 13: doesn't always come through. But did it really crucial moments
• 24:52
  Speaker 13: of Port Arthur and at Balley. But the one word
• 24:54
  Speaker 13: that echoes through is something that Kate Patterson said to me. Discipline.
• 24:58
  Speaker 13: And if you think about the Howard government, it comes
• 25:00
  Speaker 13: into government, they're all celebrating and then they get told
• 25:02
  Speaker 13: by the Treasury Secretary they've got a ninety six billion
• 25:05
  Speaker 13: dollar budget deficit. And so from the word go, the
• 25:08
  Speaker 13: Howard government decides that it is going to make the
• 25:11
  Speaker 13: cuts that are necessary to restore the budget and What
• 25:14
  Speaker 13: does that do. It ends the intergenerational inequity. It allows
• 25:18
  Speaker 13: the government then to proceed with its other programs so
• 25:20
  Speaker 13: when it brings in the GST it can compensate low
• 25:23
  Speaker 13: income earners. It lays down the markers for an immigration program,
• 25:27
  Speaker 13: which means that we can have a large immigration program
• 25:29
  Speaker 13: as long as we control our borders. They were pilloried
• 25:32
  Speaker 13: at the time, but of course that is what the
• 25:35
  Speaker 13: rest of the world is trying to do now. So
• 25:37
  Speaker 13: it's laying down those baselines of discipline which I think
• 25:42
  Speaker 13: allowed the Howard government to have the longevity that it did.
• 25:45
  Speaker 13: Did he stay too long? Well, of course that's a
• 25:47
  Speaker 13: question we ask him in this documentary.
• 25:50
  Speaker 2: Yeah, and all my dealings with him in the Howard government,
• 25:53
  Speaker 2: he was an absolute gentleman. What you saw as a
• 25:56
  Speaker 2: very decent leader is what everyone else saw behind closed doors.
• 26:00
  Speaker 2: I'll over there look forward to it very much, Chris.
• 26:02
  Speaker 3: Thank you.
• 26:03
  Speaker 2: Now to immigration and cracking down on the migration numbers,
• 26:08
  Speaker 2: which Angus Taylor says will be a feature of his leadership.
• 26:12
  Speaker 2: Despite what Labour says and what the left say, having
• 26:16
  Speaker 2: an orderly and robust migration system isn't a radical concept.
• 26:20
  Speaker 2: In fact, even former Democrat presidential candidate Hillary Clinton said
• 26:24
  Speaker 2: as much over the weekend at the Munich Security Conference.
• 26:29
  Speaker 5: There's a legitimate reason.
• 26:31
  Speaker 15: To have a debate about things like migration.
• 26:35
  Speaker 5: It went too far.
• 26:36
  Speaker 15: It's been disruptive and destabilizing, and it needs to be
• 26:41
  Speaker 15: fixed in a humane way with secure borders that don't
• 26:44
  Speaker 15: torture and kill people, and how we're going to have
• 26:48
  Speaker 15: a strong family structure because it is at azation.
• 26:54
  Speaker 2: Joint me out to discuss this. A more liberal senator
• 26:57
  Speaker 2: just in a Nampa jimp Price. Well, she use that
• 27:00
  Speaker 2: speech justcenta yes to have a swipe at Trump. But
• 27:04
  Speaker 2: you know, there was nothing radical in what she said there.
• 27:07
  Speaker 2: In fact, it would be completely aligned with many of
• 27:10
  Speaker 2: your thoughts on migration, with Angus Taylor's thoughts on migration.
• 27:15
  Speaker 3: But if it was to come.
• 27:16
  Speaker 2: Out of your mouth or his mouth, there'd be plenty
• 27:19
  Speaker 2: on the left to call you racist.
• 27:22
  Speaker 5: Exactly right.
• 27:25
  Speaker 4: It's incredible now it's there are leftist figures who are
• 27:29
  Speaker 4: coming out repeating what we have been talking about, Australians
• 27:33
  Speaker 4: have been talking about. They are recognizing that migration settings
• 27:37
  Speaker 4: have gone too far, you know, and Australians have been
• 27:41
  Speaker 4: talking about this and is a great concern and has
• 27:45
  Speaker 4: been for some time now. And you know, this is
• 27:48
  Speaker 4: what we need to get right. We need to get
• 27:51
  Speaker 4: the balance right with numbers that are going to support
• 27:57
  Speaker 4: and sustain our housing structure and our services.
• 28:02
  Speaker 5: I mean, Australians want confidence that we.
• 28:05
  Speaker 4: Can have a migration system that's going to restore social
• 28:08
  Speaker 4: cohesion but also protect our way of life, and we
• 28:11
  Speaker 4: have every right and Australians have every right to hold
• 28:15
  Speaker 4: that concern and seeing what's going on globally, which now
• 28:20
  Speaker 4: Hillary Clinton is obviously addressing and recognizing this shouldn't be
• 28:27
  Speaker 4: a fight or a talk about a particular race of
• 28:31
  Speaker 4: people or anything like that, or racism, because we know
• 28:33
  Speaker 4: that migrants come here of many different backgrounds. It's about
• 28:37
  Speaker 4: striking the right balance and about restoring social cohesion and
• 28:42
  Speaker 4: God knows we need that illustratia right now. Your comments
• 28:47
  Speaker 4: were at the time about Indian migration, and I do
• 28:51
  Speaker 4: want to make the point that when I spoke to
• 28:53
  Speaker 4: the Polster caused Samarus, a former Labor Polster, but still
• 28:58
  Speaker 4: obviously now in the published Pole World, he made it
• 29:01
  Speaker 4: clear here on the show that that was a factual
• 29:03
  Speaker 4: assessment given his view that the majority of the Indian
• 29:07
  Speaker 4: diaspora in Australia do vote labor. But your real target
• 29:14
  Speaker 4: after that attack and the sort of the pushing and
• 29:16
  Speaker 4: shoving you got from Susan's Susan Lee's office was related
• 29:21
  Speaker 4: more to her numbers man, Alex Hawk, who threw you
• 29:24
  Speaker 4: under the bus.
• 29:25
  Speaker 3: That was the point, wasn't it.
• 29:29
  Speaker 5: That was the entire point.
• 29:30
  Speaker 4: I mean, I felt like I was hung out to
• 29:33
  Speaker 4: dry and it wasn't you know, specifically about those issues.
• 29:38
  Speaker 4: You know, I would have appreciated if my colleagues had
• 29:41
  Speaker 4: clarified as I had done, as was asked of me
• 29:45
  Speaker 4: by the Leader's office, to clarify my comments, and that
• 29:48
  Speaker 4: it was steeped in cos Samaris's research, in his polling data.
• 29:53
  Speaker 4: That's what it was about, precisely, And there was a
• 29:58
  Speaker 4: failure for my colleague to actually make.
• 30:00
  Speaker 5: That clarification on my behalf.
• 30:02
  Speaker 4: And deeply disappointing that I was in fact then thrown
• 30:08
  Speaker 4: under a bus. It provided the opportunity for the raging
• 30:11
  Speaker 4: leftist media to vilify me further. I mean, how better
• 30:16
  Speaker 4: a way to try to vilify a woman of mixed
• 30:19
  Speaker 4: heritage in this country, but who was conservative leaning and
• 30:24
  Speaker 4: probably a punishment because of the referendum and those.
• 30:27
  Speaker 5: Who supported the Yes vote.
• 30:29
  Speaker 4: But what better way to vilify me and try to
• 30:31
  Speaker 4: discredit me by attempting to paint me as somebody who's racist, which.
• 30:36
  Speaker 5: Is utterly nonsense and takes.
• 30:39
  Speaker 4: Away from the very issue that Australians feel like they
• 30:42
  Speaker 4: are being vilified for now, which is the migration issue
• 30:46
  Speaker 4: that we have to get right in this country because
• 30:49
  Speaker 4: if we don't, we put ourselves at risk of ensuring
• 30:54
  Speaker 4: that there's more protests filled with hate and that there's
• 30:59
  Speaker 4: a potential for an terrorist attack on our soil.
• 31:02
  Speaker 5: These are deep concerns and we need.
• 31:05
  Speaker 4: To get on top of that, and we need to
• 31:06
  Speaker 4: get on top of that sooner rather than later and
• 31:10
  Speaker 4: come together on those issues.
• 31:14
  Speaker 2: Yeah, it is interesting that the ABC journalists who went
• 31:16
  Speaker 2: after you after those comments.
• 31:18
  Speaker 3: It was revealed and said in Estimates.
• 31:20
  Speaker 2: Last week that the boss of the ABC, Justin Stevens,
• 31:23
  Speaker 2: told staff that everyone needed to sort of support that
• 31:26
  Speaker 2: journalist regardless of how they felt about that or you know,
• 31:31
  Speaker 2: her role in whether she was right or wrong in
• 31:35
  Speaker 2: going toe to toe with you. But that says everything
• 31:37
  Speaker 2: about the ABC just in terms of what we expect
• 31:40
  Speaker 2: tomorrow will be the announcement of Taylor's front bench. He said,
• 31:46
  Speaker 2: you had a breather today that you're ready to step
• 31:48
  Speaker 2: up if you get the call, have you got the energy,
• 31:51
  Speaker 2: have you got the fighter?
• 31:52
  Speaker 3: You're ready to get back at it.
• 31:56
  Speaker 4: Absolutely absolutely, I have got certainly a new lesse on life.
• 32:01
  Speaker 4: I feel that we are you know, I mean, Gus
• 32:04
  Speaker 4: has got a plan going forward which is about ensuring
• 32:09
  Speaker 4: that we're going to protect our way of life in
• 32:11
  Speaker 4: this country and restore our living standards in Australia after
• 32:15
  Speaker 4: Labor have absolutely smashed all of us in this country.
• 32:18
  Speaker 5: We're all feeling it one way or another. But I
• 32:22
  Speaker 5: have got a.
• 32:22
  Speaker 4: New win with a new leadership and new direction, and
• 32:26
  Speaker 4: I'm ready to go.
• 32:27
  Speaker 5: I'm jumping at the bit. I'm ready to go and fight.
• 32:30
  Speaker 4: On behalf of Australians because this country needs it.
• 32:34
  Speaker 5: And I don't know if it's if it's if it is.
• 32:38
  Speaker 4: My Irish Scottish heritage on one side or the watery
• 32:42
  Speaker 4: side of me, but I've got fight in Mena.
• 32:45
  Speaker 5: I'm ready to go and use it. Part of the Australians.
• 32:47
  Speaker 2: I could hear back, I could hear my audience, I
• 32:51
  Speaker 2: could hear my audience saying about bloody time, about time
• 32:54
  Speaker 2: we want to back on the paddock, So we'll leave
• 32:55
  Speaker 2: it there. Just let's hope you get to that call tomorrow.
• 32:59
  Speaker 2: We see you back on the front, Thank.
• 33:00
  Speaker 3: You very much.
• 33:01
  Speaker 2: After the break, we learn about another group of ISIS
• 33:04
  Speaker 2: brides applying for Australian passports. The government says no plans
• 33:08
  Speaker 2: to help them. What's that about a passport that certainly
• 33:11
  Speaker 2: helped We heard all this before.
• 33:13
  Speaker 3: More on that suit, welcome back.
• 33:18
  Speaker 2: More security concerns regarding Chinese made evs electric vehicles, these
• 33:24
  Speaker 2: ones now confirmed military links.
• 33:27
  Speaker 3: By the United States. We'll get to that in a moment.
• 33:29
  Speaker 2: First, those fresh revelations that at least ten Australian ISIS
• 33:33
  Speaker 2: linked to women and children in Syrian detention camps have
• 33:37
  Speaker 2: recently applied for new Australian passports to return to this country,
• 33:41
  Speaker 2: prompting warnings from security experts and growing political pressure. Victorian
• 33:46
  Speaker 2: Liberal Senator Sarah Hennerson certainly took the Minister Penny Wong
• 33:50
  Speaker 2: to task. It sent in estimates last week and she
• 33:52
  Speaker 2: joins me, now, Sarah, I tell you what I watched
• 33:55
  Speaker 2: your questioning closely. It followed on previous estimates. Why can't
• 33:59
  Speaker 2: we have some transparency here from.
• 34:02
  Speaker 7: Labor, Peter, it is absolutely outrageous. These women returning from
• 34:10
  Speaker 7: Syria potentially pose a very serious security risk, safety risk
• 34:15
  Speaker 7: to our community and to Australia. We've made it very
• 34:19
  Speaker 7: clear we are closing the door under our policy, under
• 34:23
  Speaker 7: the leadership of Angus Taylor, to anyone who hates our country,
• 34:26
  Speaker 7: to anyone who doesn't subscribe to our democracy, our way
• 34:30
  Speaker 7: of life, our freedoms. And what is the government doing?
• 34:36
  Speaker 7: The government is ducking and weaving. Penny Wong in sened
• 34:39
  Speaker 7: estimates over successive Senate estimates, has refused to answer questions
• 34:44
  Speaker 7: including immolation, to the issuing of passports, and now of
• 34:48
  Speaker 7: course we've seen evidence that they are working with Save
• 34:51
  Speaker 7: the Children, one example, to allow these women to return
• 34:55
  Speaker 7: to Australia. Some have already come back to Australia through
• 34:59
  Speaker 7: the back door. It is absolutely not good enough, Peter.
• 35:02
  Speaker 7: Australians deserves so much better.
• 35:06
  Speaker 3: You're not wrong.
• 35:06
  Speaker 2: And of course we heard in court today that the
• 35:09
  Speaker 2: alleged terrorists, the suspect in relation to the Bondai massacre,
• 35:14
  Speaker 2: the one who is still alive, fronted court. Evidence was
• 35:17
  Speaker 2: heard about an ISIS flag in the car at the
• 35:20
  Speaker 2: time of the alleged shootings. Now we have a situation
• 35:24
  Speaker 2: in this country where I think a lot of people
• 35:26
  Speaker 2: might have thought, well, Islamic State ISIS was a long
• 35:30
  Speaker 2: time ago.
• 35:31
  Speaker 3: Let these women return, But.
• 35:33
  Speaker 2: You can see it's a tinderbox in Australia at the moment.
• 35:39
  Speaker 2: Islamic State has not gone away. Islamic State is still
• 35:42
  Speaker 2: a big issue. And Sarah, these women could not come
• 35:45
  Speaker 2: back if they weren't given assistance by the government to
• 35:48
  Speaker 2: give them a passport.
• 35:52
  Speaker 7: Well, the government caused this self managed returns. Of course
• 35:55
  Speaker 7: it's a way of saying we're not helping to repatuate
• 35:57
  Speaker 7: these women and their children. But it's an absolute deception
• 36:01
  Speaker 7: by this government because of course they're doing it.
• 36:04
  Speaker 5: Through the back door.
• 36:05
  Speaker 7: I specifically said, what policy changes have you put in
• 36:08
  Speaker 7: place since the terrible Bondai terrorist attack, And we've had
• 36:12
  Speaker 7: no confidence whatsoever that anything has changed under this government.
• 36:17
  Speaker 7: There should be an immediate stop of anyone coming from
• 36:20
  Speaker 7: this part of the world, particularly when Australians do not
• 36:24
  Speaker 7: know whether these women still subscribe to ISIS ideology. This
• 36:28
  Speaker 7: is the ideology that of course has resulted in fifteen
• 36:33
  Speaker 7: Australians being killed, including of course most of them Jewish.
• 36:39
  Speaker 7: The government has a responsibility to ensure that everyone in
• 36:43
  Speaker 7: this country is safe, and it is betraying Australians by
• 36:47
  Speaker 7: not taking every single step it can to ensure that
• 36:52
  Speaker 7: anyone who shares an Isis ideology does not come into
• 36:55
  Speaker 7: this country.
• 36:58
  Speaker 2: I'd go further to and say the three thousand gardens
• 37:01
  Speaker 2: here that were supposedly on tourist visas, they should all
• 37:04
  Speaker 2: go home.
• 37:04
  Speaker 3: There's no war in Gaza at the moment. They should
• 37:07
  Speaker 3: not be.
• 37:07
  Speaker 2: Extended to stay here in Australia. I need to ask you,
• 37:11
  Speaker 2: though this is an important Victorian issue, but I guess
• 37:14
  Speaker 2: it's a national issue as well. The CFMU, the allegations
• 37:18
  Speaker 2: now of corruption and the involvement of organized crime and
• 37:22
  Speaker 2: some fifteen billion dollars of tax payers being funneled into
• 37:27
  Speaker 2: these corrupt entities. How on earth can that happen in
• 37:30
  Speaker 2: Victoria and it appears there are no consequences.
• 37:39
  Speaker 7: Well, this is corruption on an industrial scale and the
• 37:44
  Speaker 7: responsibility now rests solely with the other an Easy government,
• 37:48
  Speaker 7: along of course with the Allen government, though I have
• 37:51
  Speaker 7: no confidence that they will do anything right in relation
• 37:53
  Speaker 7: to this. There's been a report, of course, released by
• 37:56
  Speaker 7: Jeffrey Watson. We must see the unredacted report. There is
• 38:00
  Speaker 7: a very strong suggestion that the Labor c form you
• 38:04
  Speaker 7: affiliated cartel which allowed these kickbacks. All of that information
• 38:09
  Speaker 7: has been redacted in this report. Australians deserve better. It
• 38:12
  Speaker 7: is horrifying, Peter, fifteen billion dollars of Victorian's money. I'm
• 38:18
  Speaker 7: absolutely delighted that Jess Wilson, as the Victorian Opposition leader,
• 38:22
  Speaker 7: has made it very clear there will be a Royal
• 38:25
  Speaker 7: Commission under a Liberal National's state government if Jess, of
• 38:30
  Speaker 7: course and the rest of her team are elected. I
• 38:32
  Speaker 7: have no confidence in this government. This is one of
• 38:35
  Speaker 7: the worst and most serious things that we have seen
• 38:38
  Speaker 7: in this state. And just imagine what fifteen billion dollars
• 38:42
  Speaker 7: could buy in terms of more schools, more hospitals, more services.
• 38:46
  Speaker 7: It is an outrage.
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  Speaker 2: I said the same things you just enterprised a moment ago.
• 38:52
  Speaker 2: But I'll say it to you, Sarah, I mean you've
• 38:54
  Speaker 2: better stand that on the back bench.
• 38:56
  Speaker 3: It was terrible that Susan Lee benched you. I hope
• 39:00
  Speaker 3: you get the call.
• 39:01
  Speaker 2: Up tomorrow if that's when the announcements of aid in
• 39:03
  Speaker 2: relation to the Shadow Ministry.
• 39:04
  Speaker 3: But we'll leave it there.
• 39:06
  Speaker 2: All the best and as I say, I hope you
• 39:07
  Speaker 2: get that call tomorrow. Let's go into the break now.
• 39:11
  Speaker 2: I played a little bit of the Clinton speech for
• 39:14
  Speaker 2: you from Munich on the weekend, but I'll tell you
• 39:16
  Speaker 2: the standout speech was from the US Secretory of State
• 39:20
  Speaker 2: Marco Rubio. We'll get to that and China and these
• 39:23
  Speaker 2: electric vehicles as well in a moment.
• 39:30
  Speaker 3: Welcome back coming up.
• 39:31
  Speaker 2: One Nation's James Ashby on those rumors of a potential
• 39:35
  Speaker 2: candidate to run in Farrer Susan Lee's seat, Are they true? Well,
• 39:40
  Speaker 2: last James in a moment, But first, the United States
• 39:42
  Speaker 2: Secretory of State Marco Rubio's delivered a significant speech at
• 39:45
  Speaker 2: the Munich Security Conference. He defended the pursuit of national
• 39:49
  Speaker 2: interests as well as the Trump administration's direct methods in
• 39:53
  Speaker 2: dealing with allis.
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  Speaker 16: We want allies who can defend themselves so that no
• 39:58
  Speaker 16: adversary ever be tempted to test our collective strength. This
• 40:03
  Speaker 16: is why we do not want our allies to be
• 40:05
  Speaker 16: shackled by guilt and shame. We want allies who are
• 40:08
  Speaker 16: proud of their culture and of their heritage. Who understand
• 40:11
  Speaker 16: that we are heirs to the same great and noble civilization,
• 40:15
  Speaker 16: and who together with us, are willing and able to
• 40:19
  Speaker 16: defend them.
• 40:20
  Speaker 2: Joding me now the director of Strategic Analys Australia, Michael Schubrich. Yes,
• 40:26
  Speaker 2: it to build Michael as a security conference aaraon Munich
• 40:29
  Speaker 2: and you and I both know it well on the
• 40:31
  Speaker 2: annual calendar. But I'll tell you what that was, the
• 40:33
  Speaker 2: speech in defense of values and culture and Western civilization.
• 40:38
  Speaker 2: I honestly thought it was a cracker of a statesman's speech.
• 40:45
  Speaker 10: Well, Peter, it was a much more policy heavy and
• 40:51
  Speaker 10: partnership laden speech, and it was about values and shared
• 40:55
  Speaker 10: security interests. It was a big contrast to the much
• 40:58
  Speaker 10: more blunt and brutal speech that US Vice President vanscave
• 41:03
  Speaker 10: last year. And I think it shows Rubio is setting
• 41:06
  Speaker 10: himself up as a presidential candidate, but he's also changing
• 41:10
  Speaker 10: the tone with Europe.
• 41:13
  Speaker 1: Either.
• 41:13
  Speaker 3: Same thought.
• 41:14
  Speaker 2: Actually there was gears in that speech, you know, layers
• 41:17
  Speaker 2: upon layers I thought were very very interesting. And I
• 41:20
  Speaker 2: also noticed, you know, we've seen movement from the German
• 41:23
  Speaker 2: Chancellor saying we got it wrong on nuclear They're going
• 41:26
  Speaker 2: back into energy security we've seen that announcement in the.
• 41:29
  Speaker 3: Last sort of twenty four hours from.
• 41:31
  Speaker 2: The French are going even harder and stronger in the
• 41:34
  Speaker 2: area of nuclear So you know, energy security is national security.
• 41:39
  Speaker 3: And now we've got the issue.
• 41:40
  Speaker 2: With the with the cars on our street and the
• 41:43
  Speaker 2: direct links now confirmed by the United States authorities between
• 41:47
  Speaker 2: Chinese car manufacturer BYD also Ali Baba, you know, the
• 41:51
  Speaker 2: big e commerce giant. But they are saying that the
• 41:55
  Speaker 2: links of these companies to the Chinese military have got
• 41:59
  Speaker 2: to be acknowledged and dealt with.
• 42:04
  Speaker 10: Yes, and it's not new news that Chinese law requires
• 42:09
  Speaker 10: their companies to cooperate with the Chinese military and intelligence agencies.
• 42:13
  Speaker 10: But for the Pentagon to make this a public finding
• 42:16
  Speaker 10: about companies like Ali, Barbera and BYD is big news.
• 42:19
  Speaker 10: It's bigger news for Australia because BYD cars can't be
• 42:23
  Speaker 10: sold in America and BYD is one of our top
• 42:27
  Speaker 10: ten brands now and largest EV vehicle sellers. So this
• 42:31
  Speaker 10: is a wake up call for the Australian government, not
• 42:35
  Speaker 10: just to discount the security implications of these Chinese companies.
• 42:41
  Speaker 2: I know, we haven't got the protests on the street
• 42:44
  Speaker 2: for Iran, like they are on the street for Gaza,
• 42:48
  Speaker 2: but I don't want to lose sight of what's happening
• 42:50
  Speaker 2: there because it's incredibly important to world security.
• 42:55
  Speaker 3: What's the latest.
• 42:58
  Speaker 10: I think the latest is it looks like America is
• 43:01
  Speaker 10: sending that second carrier group, the gerald Ford Strike Group,
• 43:04
  Speaker 10: to the Gulf and out of the net and Yahoo
• 43:08
  Speaker 10: Trump talks, extra pressure is being brought to bear on Iran,
• 43:12
  Speaker 10: and Iran is now talking about compromises on its nuclear program.
• 43:17
  Speaker 10: So the key thing here is can Iran give any
• 43:21
  Speaker 10: real compromises that satisfy President Trump without giving up their
• 43:25
  Speaker 10: nuclear program? And I still think that's not possible.
• 43:30
  Speaker 2: And any number count on the likely deaths of protesters?
• 43:35
  Speaker 2: Are we still seeing activity on the streets of Tehran
• 43:38
  Speaker 2: in particular, Michael.
• 43:41
  Speaker 10: Not seeing a lot of protests, But of course that's
• 43:43
  Speaker 10: because so many Iranian citizens are in Iranian jails from
• 43:47
  Speaker 10: the previous protest round, and the Iranians seem to be
• 43:50
  Speaker 10: holding off from mass executions, but they could do that
• 43:54
  Speaker 10: at any time.
• 43:56
  Speaker 3: All Right, we'll leave it there, thank you, Michael.
• 43:58
  Speaker 2: Right after the rate, we're going to get into the
• 44:00
  Speaker 2: seat of Farah.
• 44:01
  Speaker 3: This is Susan Lee's seat.
• 44:02
  Speaker 2: She has not yet resigned, as she gave an indication
• 44:05
  Speaker 2: it would be a couple of weeks, but then she
• 44:06
  Speaker 2: will resign. People say it will be four way race,
• 44:10
  Speaker 2: labor lives Nancy One Nation will not be that. It'll
• 44:12
  Speaker 2: be much bigger. It'll be a Melbourne cup Field and
• 44:16
  Speaker 2: Jeff Kennett wanting a mega coalition in Victoria, including bringing
• 44:21
  Speaker 2: one Nation in from the.
• 44:22
  Speaker 3: Coal that's after the break, all right, straight.
• 44:28
  Speaker 2: Into it with my panel one Nation Chief of Staff
• 44:30
  Speaker 2: James Ashby and the Deputy Executive Director of the IPA,
• 44:34
  Speaker 2: Dan Wilde. I'll start with Farah if I can please James.
• 44:38
  Speaker 2: A by election date yet to be determined but imminent.
• 44:42
  Speaker 2: Of course, it'll be a Melbourne cup Field. It won't
• 44:44
  Speaker 2: just be the four that I've talked about into the break.
• 44:47
  Speaker 2: It'll be many others as well, including a climbate two
• 44:50
  Speaker 2: hundred type. They were there last time. Helen Dalton was
• 44:55
  Speaker 2: shooters Fisher's farmer's long history in the water debate. There's
• 44:59
  Speaker 2: talk come along and run for you. And I noticed
• 45:02
  Speaker 2: A Pauline's statement on Friday regarding this seat mentioned water.
• 45:07
  Speaker 3: Is she you pick?
• 45:11
  Speaker 5: No, she's not.
• 45:12
  Speaker 12: There are seventy five people who've put it expressions of
• 45:15
  Speaker 12: interests in over the last forty eight hours, and of course,
• 45:18
  Speaker 12: because there hasn't been an election date scheduled by the
• 45:22
  Speaker 12: Speaker of the House, we still have plenty of time
• 45:25
  Speaker 12: to be able to go through those seventy five applicants.
• 45:27
  Speaker 12: I think it's only fair to do that, all of
• 45:29
  Speaker 12: which are members of our branch. And Peter, I've got
• 45:32
  Speaker 12: to be honest. Farah is the second largest branch that
• 45:36
  Speaker 12: One Nation have in the country, only just shy of
• 45:39
  Speaker 12: New England, so there are plenty of options. There's some
• 45:43
  Speaker 12: people in the mix that have got aos. There are
• 45:46
  Speaker 12: cotton farmers, there are people on boards, so there's some
• 45:50
  Speaker 12: really good talent there. And of course the biggest issues
• 45:53
  Speaker 12: are water. The gun issue has not escaped the people
• 45:56
  Speaker 12: of Farah. It might have been a state decision by
• 45:59
  Speaker 12: the Men's gun but it's also been legislated and led
• 46:02
  Speaker 12: by the federal government as well, and that has not
• 46:05
  Speaker 12: diminished people's feelings out there for One Nation, because they
• 46:10
  Speaker 12: feel we're the only party that will stand up for
• 46:13
  Speaker 12: people's legal whites to own guns, especially in those rural areas.
• 46:18
  Speaker 2: I'm going to get out there, I know Farawell. I
• 46:20
  Speaker 2: know many of that river in the country, so I'll
• 46:22
  Speaker 2: get out on the ground and I'll give my viewers
• 46:24
  Speaker 2: a view from their ones. I've had to talk to
• 46:26
  Speaker 2: some locals in plenty of pubs up and down that area.
• 46:29
  Speaker 2: If I can bring you in on this, Dan Jeff
• 46:31
  Speaker 2: Kennedy Victoria says the Libs to win there, to beat
• 46:35
  Speaker 2: off a bad labor government under Cinderellen, really need to
• 46:37
  Speaker 2: get into bed and do a sort of a grand
• 46:40
  Speaker 2: coalition with one nation. Now you go back even twelve months,
• 46:45
  Speaker 2: you'd never get that sort of thinking in Victoria.
• 46:48
  Speaker 3: Do you think it should happen?
• 46:52
  Speaker 14: Well, there's a couple of things about preference deals. I
• 46:54
  Speaker 14: mean the first thing is if the Liberal Party wants
• 46:56
  Speaker 14: to survive and get into government, whether at a state
• 46:59
  Speaker 14: level or federal level, you've got to get the primary
• 47:01
  Speaker 14: vote up. So all of the discussion here needs to
• 47:03
  Speaker 14: be focused on how does a liberal party get its
• 47:05
  Speaker 14: primary vote up? Number two, As James and yourself would
• 47:08
  Speaker 14: well know from your experience in politics, you can do
• 47:10
  Speaker 14: all the preference deals that you want, but unless you're
• 47:15
  Speaker 14: communicating that with voters, unless you're getting the how to
• 47:18
  Speaker 14: vote cards into their hands or on their phones, or
• 47:20
  Speaker 14: you're telling them some other way of how you would
• 47:23
  Speaker 14: like them to vote. It amounts to nothing. And we
• 47:25
  Speaker 14: know that only about a third of people walking into
• 47:27
  Speaker 14: the booths take an actual physical how to vote card
• 47:30
  Speaker 14: now and I think that trust in politicians and political
• 47:33
  Speaker 14: parties is so low that if you tell people to
• 47:35
  Speaker 14: vote one way, they're just as likely to vote the
• 47:38
  Speaker 14: other way. So you know, twenty years ago, sure that
• 47:41
  Speaker 14: strategy might work. But yes, preference deals are important, but
• 47:45
  Speaker 14: I just don't know if they're as important as they
• 47:47
  Speaker 14: used to be. So all of the focus, certainly for
• 47:50
  Speaker 14: the Liberal Party has to be how do you get
• 47:51
  Speaker 14: the primary vote up? And talk about preferences I think
• 47:54
  Speaker 14: can come a bit later.
• 47:56
  Speaker 2: James, quickbot from you on this because I want to
• 47:58
  Speaker 2: ask you about the IMF in a moment, would you
• 48:00
  Speaker 2: do a deal with the lives in Victoria? And what
• 48:03
  Speaker 2: do you think about that comment repreferences?
• 48:06
  Speaker 12: Well, don't dismiss the simple fact that the Alan government
• 48:11
  Speaker 12: could make changes to the way that preferences work in
• 48:14
  Speaker 12: Victoria that has been sort of flatted in the background.
• 48:18
  Speaker 12: So that would be a good move, to be quite frank,
• 48:20
  Speaker 12: because Victoria is one of the few states left where
• 48:22
  Speaker 12: preference deals can be done secretly, behind closed doors. I
• 48:25
  Speaker 12: don't want to see that. So if they do make
• 48:27
  Speaker 12: that change, I'd welcome it. As one nation would have
• 48:30
  Speaker 12: to have rogs in our head to suggest that we
• 48:32
  Speaker 12: would support Greens or the labor because, as you rightfully
• 48:35
  Speaker 12: point out, the International Monetary Fund is now suggesting to
• 48:39
  Speaker 12: the federal government, because of the poor operational handling, the
• 48:43
  Speaker 12: economic instability of Victoria, that we should raise taxes right
• 48:47
  Speaker 12: across the country to pay for the faults and the
• 48:50
  Speaker 12: mismanagement of this terrible, terrible labor government. So all I
• 48:55
  Speaker 12: simply say is, we will not do a deal with
• 48:58
  Speaker 12: the devil. The devil is labor, the devil as Greens,
• 49:01
  Speaker 12: and as far as I'm concerned, one nation will be
• 49:03
  Speaker 12: putting them last.
• 49:06
  Speaker 2: Yeah, it's interesting because I just spoke to Sarah Henderson
• 49:08
  Speaker 2: about the CFMU when the fifteen billion dollars allegedly funneled
• 49:12
  Speaker 2: to crooks and organized crime from taxpayers in Victoria, and
• 49:17
  Speaker 2: you don't think it matters to you in Queensland or WA.
• 49:20
  Speaker 3: When the federal government.
• 49:21
  Speaker 2: Has to step in and bail out Victoria, everyone around
• 49:24
  Speaker 2: the country will pay just a moment, Dan, should Malcolm
• 49:27
  Speaker 2: turb will be thrown out at a Liberal party?
• 49:32
  Speaker 3: Well, I think that.
• 49:34
  Speaker 14: I mean Malcolm Turble has not held himself in a
• 49:36
  Speaker 14: very dignified manner since he's left parliament, which I think
• 49:39
  Speaker 14: is a shame. He obviously has a lot of capabilities.
• 49:42
  Speaker 14: He was successful in private life, he has a lot
• 49:45
  Speaker 14: to offer, but he's decided to deploy those capabilities to
• 49:47
  Speaker 14: pretty unhelpful ends. You can contrast that to Tony Abbott,
• 49:51
  Speaker 14: who's written a great book on Australian history talking about
• 49:54
  Speaker 14: our heritage and why we should be proud of it.
• 49:55
  Speaker 14: You can even look at Julia Gillard who's held herself
• 49:58
  Speaker 14: in a fairly dignified manner since she's left parliament. So
• 50:02
  Speaker 14: I think Malcolm has diminished himself and unfortunately he hasn't
• 50:05
  Speaker 14: made any meaningful contribution to our nation since he's left parliament.
• 50:10
  Speaker 14: So I think he's he's sort of shrunk in the
• 50:12
  Speaker 14: public eye and I think it's a shame that he's
• 50:14
  Speaker 14: decided to go down that path.
• 50:17
  Speaker 2: You can have a quick comment there if you don't mind. James,
• 50:20
  Speaker 2: I've almost out a time.
• 50:23
  Speaker 12: Every party he's got one. Mark Latham has been a
• 50:25
  Speaker 12: thorn in our side since he left. Brian Burston, so,
• 50:28
  Speaker 12: Malcolm Turnbule, He's not alone. There's always these ghosts that
• 50:31
  Speaker 12: like lurking in the shadows, and they love popping their
• 50:34
  Speaker 12: heads up when they are deprived of any attention.
• 50:39
  Speaker 2: Yes, that's right, relevance deprivation. I think they used to
• 50:41
  Speaker 2: call it her a few moons ago. I'll leave it there, gentlemen,
• 50:44
  Speaker 2: thank you very much. That's it for me. Great to
• 50:46
  Speaker 2: have your company. See you tomorrow night.
• 50:48
  Speaker 3: It's Andrew