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Felony Murder Charges Stick in Deaths of 3 Kansas City Chiefs Fans · Crime Stories with Nancy Grace

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Speaker 1: Crime Stories with Nancy Grace.
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Speaker 2: It's a wonderful Wednesday, and it's a wonderful day in
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Speaker 2: the world of crime and justice. What's the wonderful news.
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Speaker 2: Suspects in the deaths of three Chiefs fans will face
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Speaker 2: upgraded charges of murder. That's right. There was a fight
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Speaker 2: to downgrade those charges. It didn't work. Now, suspects facing
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Speaker 2: murder charges after three Kansas City Chiefs fans found dead
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Speaker 2: in the guy's own backyard. Why did he think the
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Speaker 2: charges should be downgraded? I'm Nancy Grace, this is Crime Stories.
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Speaker 2: I want to thank you for being with us. I
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Speaker 2: will never forget when I found out that in the
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Speaker 2: midst of a winter snow, Jordan Willis and Ivory Carson
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Speaker 2: knew nothing about the three dead bodies in the backyard.
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Speaker 2: How could that be? Well, after a furious fighting court,
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Speaker 2: those three upgraded charges of felony murder stick. What happened
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Speaker 2: in the case of three Kansas City Chiefs fans found
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Speaker 2: dead in the backyard of Jordan Willis apparently froze to
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Speaker 2: death and their scientist's friend backyard and on his porch,
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Speaker 2: and he didn't notice a thing.
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Speaker 1: For two days.
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Speaker 2: A guy is dead your friend is dead in a
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Speaker 2: lounge chair on your porch, and you go two days
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Speaker 2: ignoring repeated calls, text messages, social media requests from family
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Speaker 2: and friends.
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Speaker 1: You don't see any of that. You show up at
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Speaker 1: the front.
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Speaker 2: Door and you're underwear with a glass of wine and
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Speaker 2: go haha.
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Speaker 1: Listen.
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Speaker 3: Jordan will and Ivory Carson have been charged with distribution
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Speaker 3: of the controlled substance and three counts of involuntary manslaughter.
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Speaker 2: That from our friends at k NBC nine News joining
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Speaker 2: me in All Star panel. But first I want to
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Speaker 2: go to a very special guest joining us. It's Jonathan Price,
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Speaker 2: the brother of one of those three victims, Ricky Johnson.
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Speaker 1: Jonathan, thank you for being with us. Thank you for
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Speaker 1: having me as Jonathan.
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Speaker 2: I wonder sometimes if this day would ever come. You said,
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Speaker 2: from the get go, something is wrong, Something is horribly wrong.
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Speaker 2: It didn't happen this way, and you were right, yeah,
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Speaker 2: it just from the.
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Speaker 4: Very beginning, it didn't make sense. And it still doesn't
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Speaker 4: make sense that.
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Speaker 5: They were able to rule out foul play from day one,
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Speaker 5: and then you know, with these charges.
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Speaker 4: I mean, I don't know the legal definition.
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Speaker 5: Of foul play, but it definitely seems like they now
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Speaker 5: believe that there was foul play, so it just keeping
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Speaker 5: keeping us in the dark for this long. It is
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Speaker 5: very troubling, but there is still a sense of relief
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Speaker 5: among all of us that this is hopefully coming to
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Speaker 5: a conclusion.
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Speaker 1: You guys have been dragged through hell and back.
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Speaker 2: And during the Super Bowl when the Chiefs were playing,
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Speaker 2: I thought about you and your family and I wondered
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Speaker 2: what's going.
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Speaker 1: Through their minds tonight.
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Speaker 2: As everybody's celebrating and partying, and you still did not
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Speaker 2: have answers in your brother's death.
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Speaker 5: Yeah, I mean, you know, I think about Ricky daily,
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Speaker 5: and uh, you know, even more so when the Chiefs
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Speaker 5: are playing or Ku is playing. You know, there's you know,
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Speaker 5: he cared much about his family and his sports, and
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Speaker 5: we shared that our entire lives, and you know, those
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Speaker 5: those memories will always live on. And uh, you know,
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Speaker 5: like I said before, it's there. There is a sense
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Speaker 5: of relief that, you know, something that's coming.
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Speaker 4: From all of this.
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Speaker 2: Well, I was wondering, Jonathan, when everybody was celebrating and
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Speaker 2: there was the big lead up to the Chiefs playing
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Speaker 2: in the Super Bowl, and everybody's what's Taylor Swift gonna
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Speaker 2: wear and are they going to get engaged?
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Speaker 1: Is she pregnant? Blah blah blah blah blah.
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Speaker 2: Were you thinking what about my brother? What about my brother?
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Speaker 2: Because I was thinking that the whole way through the
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Speaker 2: Super Bowl.
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Speaker 5: Absolutely, you know, every day we've been saying this, and uh,
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Speaker 5: you know, it kind of went a radio asilent for
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Speaker 5: a very long time. And then you know, we were
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Speaker 5: still hearing that there was no foul play. You know,
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Speaker 5: there's there's just too much still out there, and it's
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Speaker 5: it's all about what's going to come.
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Speaker 4: Out of trial. But you know, there's still lots of questions.
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Speaker 2: Yeah, Jonathan, there is absolutely gonna be a trial.
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Speaker 1: You guys kept in the dark for so long, which must.
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Speaker 2: Have been agonizing, agonizing as you wanted so badly for
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Speaker 2: your brother to get justice and to think that for
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Speaker 2: all that time, he sat in his house, throwing back
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Speaker 2: the booze, hanging around in his underwear. And this guy
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Speaker 2: is no idiot. He's a scientist, for Pete's sake. Ignoring
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Speaker 2: the dead body in allounced chair on the porch, Ignoring
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Speaker 2: his friend's cars parked directly in front of his house.
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Speaker 2: How can you ignore that?
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Speaker 1: How can you not hear.
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Speaker 2: The phone for two days, not notice that you are
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Speaker 2: being barraged in social media and texts and emails, acting
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Speaker 2: like nothing happened, and then to pack up and leave town.
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Speaker 1: Well, this is how the whole thing started.
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Speaker 6: January seventh is a football day for the Kansas City Chiefs,
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Speaker 6: as they will be playing the Los Angeles Chargers, So
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Speaker 6: thirty eight year old Jordan Willis invites a couple of
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Speaker 6: buddies to come to his house and watch the game.
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Speaker 6: David Harrington, Ricky Johnson, and Clayton mcghiney arrive at Willis's
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Speaker 6: house just in time for the three twenty five kickoff.
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Speaker 6: They enjoy the game as the Chiefs beat the Chargers
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Speaker 6: thirteen to twelve, and Willis makes plans for them to
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Speaker 6: get tickets to the next home game.
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Speaker 2: So everything's fine. They're all there watching the game together.
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Speaker 2: Then what happens after the game? Jordan Willis waves the
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Speaker 2: guys off and crashes on the couch.
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Speaker 6: On Monday, January eighth, Jordan Willis claims he did not
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Speaker 6: leave his home at all. He would normally have to
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Speaker 6: take his dogs Sadie and Daisy outside to do their business,
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Speaker 6: but they're all staying at his dad's place.
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Speaker 1: Okay, wait a minute.
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Speaker 2: He had described his dogs as the quote loves of
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Speaker 2: his life. How did they end up somewhere else? Okay,
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Speaker 2: that's just a tangential question. But right there, something is
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Speaker 2: way wrong joining me. Crime Stories investigative reporter Dave Matt
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Speaker 2: Right there, Dave, Jordan Willison, This is on a Sunday,
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Speaker 2: the scientist. He waves away the friends and claims he
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Speaker 2: crashes on the sofa for what.
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Speaker 1: The next two or three days? I mean, if you.
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Speaker 2: Take it from Sunday until finally the police were at
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Speaker 2: the front door after the girlfriend breaks in the window
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Speaker 2: to find the dead body and starts screaming. I mean,
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Speaker 2: that's his story, Dave, seriously.
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Speaker 7: And he's sticking to it. Nancy. He has always claimed
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Speaker 7: that he crashed out. Doesn't know what the guys did.
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Speaker 7: He was sound asleep for the next seventy two hours,
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Speaker 7: and he missed all the messages. He didn't get any
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Speaker 7: pet he didn't get any text messages, phone calls because
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Speaker 7: that phone was ringing off the hook. All those guys,
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Speaker 7: family and friends were reaching out to him because they
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Speaker 7: were always in contact. But Jordan Willis claims he slept
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Speaker 7: through the entire thing for three days, and he only
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Speaker 7: got up when they basically broke into his house and
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Speaker 7: tell him there were dead guys in the backyard.
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Speaker 2: Jonathan Price is with me. This is Ricky Johnson's brother
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Speaker 2: who passed away. You know, when I think about what
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Speaker 2: he went through, it was so cold out there.
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Speaker 1: Do you let yourself?
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Speaker 2: I mean, I try not to think about what my
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Speaker 2: fiance went through when he was murdered. He was shot
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Speaker 2: five times in the face, the neck, the head, and
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Speaker 2: I try not to think about it because it will
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Speaker 2: mess me up so badly, and I had children to raise.
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Speaker 2: Do you ever let yourself think about what Ricky went
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Speaker 2: through while their friend was inside in his underwear passed out.
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Speaker 4: Yeah.
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Speaker 5: I think about that all the time, you know, especially
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Speaker 5: with these these three gentlemen, you know, being inseparable for
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Speaker 5: a very very long time, and for all three of
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Speaker 5: them to happen at the exact same time, and what
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Speaker 5: some of them were going through in the final moments
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Speaker 5: of seeing maybe one of their friends go down first
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Speaker 5: at all. I have so many questions still on how
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Speaker 5: that would have.
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Speaker 2: Happened, and I pray that all the facts, not just
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Speaker 2: some of the facts, but that all the facts will
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Speaker 2: come out and we will know is no idiot? Three
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Speaker 2: days Sunday, Monday, Tuesy and I never knew my friend.
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Speaker 1: My friend was dead on.
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Speaker 2: The front on the back porch, and my other friends
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Speaker 2: were dead lying in my yard.
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Speaker 1: How can he? How can he say that? Oh yeah,
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Speaker 1: and all the phone.
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Speaker 2: Calls and all the texts and all the emails and
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Speaker 2: all the social media. He said he was wearing noise
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Speaker 2: canceling headphones for three days.
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Speaker 8: Really, he says he was wearing noise canceling earphones and
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Speaker 8: he was in his house. He didn't notice the car
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Speaker 8: in front, and he didn't notice three of his friends.
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Speaker 8: He wasn't texting them the day after, Hey guys, let's
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Speaker 8: go get tickets for the next game because the Chiefs
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Speaker 8: had won. Completely acted like he was completely shut off
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Speaker 8: from the whole world. And noise canceling headphones short maybe right.
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Speaker 8: You maybe can't hear a little thing in the next room,
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Speaker 8: but you're going to hear people beating on your door
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Speaker 8: and you're going to see your phone blowing up for
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Speaker 8: two days.
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Speaker 1: So let me understand something, Dave Mac.
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Speaker 2: How many days passed before the girlfriend the fiance has
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Speaker 2: to come and literally break in.
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Speaker 1: When did that happen? Just give me a number?
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Speaker 6: Day?
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Speaker 9: All right?
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Speaker 1: What day was on? The game was Tuesday?
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Speaker 7: Games on Saturday, on Sunday the seventh, and Tuesday the
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Speaker 7: ninth is the day police are at the door.
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Speaker 1: Okay, you know what.
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Speaker 2: They didn't teach me math in law school. But seven
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Speaker 2: eight nine, that's three days. Seven is Sunday, the day
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Speaker 2: of the gang, which is in the early afternoon, all night,
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Speaker 2: all day Monday until finally Tuesday, when the fiance is
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Speaker 2: beside herself, she can't find her feet and goes looking
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Speaker 2: for him.
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Speaker 1: Listen.
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Speaker 10: On January eight, friends and family are concerned. They were
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Speaker 10: headed to Jordan willis house to watch the game, but
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Speaker 10: now none of the guys, including Jordan Willis, are replying
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Speaker 10: to messages on social media or by phone.
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Speaker 11: On Tuesday, January ninth, nine to fifty one pm, Clayton
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Speaker 11: mcine's fiance shows up at the house. She sees the
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Speaker 11: cars in the driveway, and since nobody is answering the
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Speaker 11: phone or replying to messages, she breaks into the home
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Speaker 11: and screams Willis's name. She walks through the house, then
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Speaker 11: she looks on the back porch and sees a body.
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Speaker 2: Oh my stars, okay, Jonathan Price is joining me.
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Speaker 1: This is Ricky's brother, beloved brother.
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Speaker 2: I might add they grew up together and they would
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Speaker 2: argue about who's going to watch Power Rangers and who's going.
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Speaker 1: To watch ESPN.
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Speaker 2: Very very loving relationship, their whole lives.
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Speaker 1: In my mind, that's three days.
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Speaker 2: You got the Chiefs game early afternoon Sunday, there together
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Speaker 2: in Sunday night all day, Monday, Monday night, and then
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Speaker 2: Tuesday nine fifty one, that's nearly ten o'clock at night,
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Speaker 2: Clayton's fiance comes hysterical trying to find him, has to
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Speaker 2: break in and seize a dead body.
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Speaker 1: Is my timing correct, Jonathan?
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Speaker 4: I mean it appears to be correct. You know, I'm
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Speaker 4: not very good at math either, but you.
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Speaker 5: Know, there's there's a question in my mind that there's
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Speaker 5: no possible way you can sleep that long and just.
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Speaker 4: Not know what's going on.
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Speaker 1: I agree, Jonathan, no way.
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Speaker 2: What was he doing in the Joining me is a
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Speaker 2: veteran defense attorney who has handled a number of high
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Speaker 2: profile cases. Derek Smith is joining me out of Ohio.
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Speaker 2: He's at d W Smith Legal dot com. Derek really
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Speaker 2: the defense. I slept through the whole thing. I mean,
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Speaker 2: for those of you who just joining us, finally movement
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Speaker 2: A bombshell arrest of two people in connection with the
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Speaker 2: deaths of three Kansas City chiefs fans who were frozen
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Speaker 2: to death and their buddy, the scientist backyard Derek Smith.
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Speaker 1: Can he really look at a.
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Speaker 2: Jury and say, I slept for three days with noise
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Speaker 2: canceling headsets on, I knew nothing.
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Speaker 4: Yes and no. This is a terrible situation.
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Speaker 12: Is best friends, some of his frenzies with this whole
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Speaker 12: entire life, Like they said, they were very closet untershock
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Speaker 12: and disbelief and just manic depression will put somebody down.
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Speaker 12: Looking out your window and seeing your friends in the
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Speaker 12: condition they were in. That's enough right there to send
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Speaker 12: a person into deep shock, disbelief and.
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Speaker 4: Just pass right back out.
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Speaker 2: Does not want to be That's a good one saw
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Speaker 2: the bodies and then passed back out, you know. To
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Speaker 2: doctor Hidie Green joining me, clinical psychologist, trauma specialist, author
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Speaker 2: of the Path to Self Love and World Domination, Doctor
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Speaker 2: Heidie Green dot com. Doctor Heidie So now we're getting
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Speaker 2: a spin on that and no telling what it's going
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Speaker 2: to morph.
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Speaker 1: Into by the time this goes to trial. So Jonathan
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Speaker 1: Price braced yourself.
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Speaker 2: So Derek Smith is spinning it out, you know, like
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Speaker 2: Rupel Stilskin would take that nasty hay out of the
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Speaker 2: barn and spin it into gold. He is now hypothesizing
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Speaker 2: that the defendant, one of the two arrested in the
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Speaker 2: desk of three people.
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Speaker 1: That were left to freeze out in the.
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Speaker 2: Yard one on his porch, is that he came to
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Speaker 2: from his deep sleep. You know, I'll throw in sleeping
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Speaker 2: beauty there. He came to, saw the dead body of
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Speaker 2: his friend and then passed out. Doctor Heidie Green, Psychologically speaking,
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Speaker 2: that seems very unlikely to me.
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Speaker 13: So it is very unlikely that he fell unconscious for
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Speaker 13: seventy two hours as.
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Speaker 1: A result of a significant trauma.
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Speaker 13: And we can say if your friends died accidentally, if
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Speaker 13: that's what we're going with, and you saw them in
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Speaker 13: your home, it's obviously possible that you would have a
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Speaker 13: significant trauma response, and that trauma response could include a
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Speaker 13: freeze response. I could see somebody maybe being in their
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Speaker 13: house terrified to answer the throne, terrified to go and
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Speaker 13: look at the bodies, wanted to essentially just pretend like
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Speaker 13: nothing's going on, But to actually be unconscious for seventy
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Speaker 13: two hours, that seems far less likely as a trauma response.
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Speaker 1: Crime stores with Nancy Grace.
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Speaker 2: According to his lawyer and his family, reportedly, Jordan Willis
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Speaker 2: never expected to actually be charged, much less with upgraded charges.
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Speaker 2: This is what we know. Felony murdered charges against two defendants.
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Speaker 2: Three bodies in the backyard, including on the porch. They
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Speaker 2: didn't notice, They had nothing to do with it. Those
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Speaker 2: charges were upgraded to felony murder, and there was a
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Speaker 2: hot fight contesting those charges, But as for now, they're
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Speaker 2: sticking and the state will proceed. Three longtime friends found
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Speaker 2: unresponsive in the backyard of Willis's Kansas City home after
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Speaker 2: a football watch party. This is what we know. It
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Speaker 2: was a bone shilling. January nine, mcgheiney's fiancee, April mahoney,
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Speaker 2: actually broke into Willis's home after she had called over
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Speaker 2: and over and over frantically trying to find her love,
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Speaker 2: who she had not heard from for two days. And
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Speaker 2: it was there she found the bodies of three men,
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Speaker 2: in all frozen solid, all still dressed in their Kansas
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Speaker 2: City Chiefs gear. Slumped in the backyard, and now there
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Speaker 2: remained two Jordan Willis and Ivory Carson. The two sat
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Speaker 2: less than five feet apart in court as a judge
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Speaker 2: ruled their case. We'll go to trial.
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Speaker 1: What happened that Sunday afternoon.
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Speaker 10: Clayton mcguinea's fiance calls police. Officers arrived to find Willis
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Speaker 10: in his underwear with an empty glass of wine in hand.
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Speaker 10: According to the victims' families, the other two bodies were
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Speaker 10: then found in the backyard. Jordan Willis tells police he
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Speaker 10: has no idea what happen happened. John Piserno, an attorney
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Speaker 10: representing Willis, said his client had no idea his friends
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Speaker 10: were dead until police knocked on his door. Tayley Lettier wrote,
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Speaker 10: my husband banged on his door for twenty minutes. My
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Speaker 10: friend banged on his door and then busted a window
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Speaker 10: and yelled and announced her presence while she's inside and
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Speaker 10: steal nothing from him. Then the cops come ten minutes
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Speaker 10: later and he comes out nonchalant in his boxers with
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Speaker 10: an empty wine glass in hand. Nothing is adding up.
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Speaker 10: Dave Clay and Ricky need and deserve justice, Yes they do.
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Speaker 2: And Jonathan Price is with me. This is Ricky's brother, Jonathan.
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Speaker 2: Your brother is always described as a Kansas City Chief fan.
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Speaker 1: That's really not doing him justice. He was so much more.
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Speaker 1: Tell me, well, Ricky was very humble.
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Speaker 5: He loved everybody he ever interacted with. He always saw
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Speaker 5: the good and people. He helped out anybody in need anytime,
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Speaker 5: no matter if at one time they were seen as
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Speaker 5: you know, enemies or or you know, just not friends
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Speaker 5: in general. But he was just such a kind person,
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Speaker 5: loving father, brother, son, cousin.
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Speaker 4: You know, he was truly cherished by our entire family.
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Speaker 1: Tell me about your family, Well, I mean we kind.
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Speaker 5: Of we grew up, you know, separated at some points,
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Speaker 5: but we always came together for family events.
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Speaker 7: You know.
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Speaker 5: We were always there at Christmas times, holding our own
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Speaker 5: different Christmases to make sure that all of our schedules
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Speaker 5: matched up to where we can all see each other.
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Speaker 5: And when I was in the military, anytime I came home,
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Speaker 5: they were Ricky and my other brother Russie, they always
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Speaker 5: made it a point and my sister Lisa, they always
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Speaker 5: all made it a point to come home, all to
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Speaker 5: be together every time. So we we chairished each other
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Speaker 5: and there's very fond memories of of Ricky growing up
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Speaker 5: and everything he was to all of us.
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Speaker 1: When you say the memories you had growing up, what memories?
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Speaker 5: Well, my love for football, I love for all sports
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Speaker 5: came from Ricky. You know, seeing my my two oldest brothers,
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Speaker 5: you know, throwing the football father that I could imagine
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Speaker 5: when I was a you know, small child.
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Speaker 4: I just I looked up to them. You know.
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Speaker 5: We we went to the very first game that Pastion
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Speaker 5: Mahomes was playing in the preseason, and uh we you know,
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Speaker 5: he met my entire family. And you know, even though
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Speaker 5: we were states away, you know, we always we always
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Speaker 5: talked about the sports of Kansas City and you know,
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Speaker 5: everything that we were accomplishing. Finally after so many years
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Speaker 5: of being you know, an up and down team.
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Speaker 4: You know, we we shared a lot of memories together,
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Speaker 4: and uh, I just I love them.
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Speaker 2: We are learning more about the death of the so
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Speaker 2: called Three Chiefs Fans.
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Speaker 14: As news starts to spread of the three friends freezing
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Speaker 14: to death in the backyard while their friend is asleep inside,
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Speaker 14: the families of the victims begin to speak out and
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Speaker 14: ask questions. The biggest question for Jordan Willis is what
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Speaker 14: happened next? Was why didn't you answer calls, text messages
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Speaker 14: and social media messages from family and friends of the
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Speaker 14: three men.
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Speaker 6: The Daily Mail reports. Willis insists he spent the next
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Speaker 6: two days in his home, not thinking anything of the
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Speaker 6: fact that his friend's cars were still outside, and only
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Speaker 6: learned they died when the fiance of one of the
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Speaker 6: men broke into the house on January ninth in the
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Speaker 6: hopes of finding him.
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Speaker 2: Jonathan Price, where were the victims cars part in relation
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Speaker 2: to the friends home?
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Speaker 4: I guess if.
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Speaker 5: You're based on what I've heard, if you look out
21:54
Speaker 5: the front door, they were just off to the right,
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Speaker 5: and I guess there was potentially out of the three cars,
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Speaker 5: because I think someone might have car pulled. But either way,
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Speaker 5: my brother drove in that F one fifty, so it was,
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Speaker 5: you know, se my large truck right there in the front.
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Speaker 4: There's no way to miss it.
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Speaker 2: So Barry Hudgson joining me, former l E now chief
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Speaker 2: investigator for Barry and Associates Investigative Services in Kansas and Missouri. Barry,
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Speaker 2: let me understand, So this guy, the so called friend,
22:27
Speaker 2: could find a wine glass and fill it up with
22:29
Speaker 2: wine and find his noise canceling headphones he could find those,
22:34
Speaker 2: he could see those, but he couldn't see his dead
22:37
Speaker 2: friend on the porch and in the yard, or their
22:40
Speaker 2: vehicles part in front of his house.
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Speaker 15: Man see this story, you know, his his excuses for
22:47
Speaker 15: how everything happened. It just makes no sense at all.
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Speaker 15: You know, I've been thinking about this, so one of
22:52
Speaker 15: the things that I thought about. You know, the guy
22:54
Speaker 15: came to the door in his underwear and he said
22:57
Speaker 15: that he had been asleep for seventy two hours. We
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Speaker 15: knew that he'd been drinking a lot apparently, so if
23:04
Speaker 15: he slept for solid three hours, don't you think his
23:06
Speaker 15: body would have evacuated while he was asleep for three
23:09
Speaker 15: solid days?
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Speaker 16: If he never got up, he would have wed hisself.
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Speaker 16: Did he come to the door with soiled underwear or
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Speaker 16: did he look like he urinated on his sef? You
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Speaker 16: know when you arrest a drunk on the street most
23:19
Speaker 16: of the time and they're awake, theype all over their self.
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Speaker 16: This guy, did he look like he urinated on his stef?
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Speaker 16: Because if he didn't, that kind of shoots that story
23:27
Speaker 16: right in behind the end.
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Speaker 1: If he asked me, yeah, I mean he had to
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Speaker 1: get up and go to the bathroom.
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Speaker 2: Doctor Kendall Crown's joining me, and he's here for other reasons,
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Speaker 2: but since we're on this topic, Doctor Kendall Crown's with me.
23:39
Speaker 2: Chief Medical Examiner Terrant County. That's fort Worth never ali
23:42
Speaker 2: like a business esteemed lecturer at Burnette's School of Medicine
23:47
Speaker 2: TCU and launching a new PODCASTA Dead on Arrival March seven.
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Speaker 1: Doctor Crown's is that true what Barry just told us?
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Speaker 2: I mean, how could he go seventy two two hours
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Speaker 2: drinking let me add that in and not getting up
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Speaker 2: and finding his way to the bathroom.
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Speaker 17: Oll I agree with that. There's no way you could
24:08
Speaker 17: sleep for three days after consuming them with ch alcohol
24:11
Speaker 17: and also eating that your body wouldn't urinate on itself
24:15
Speaker 17: for defecates. So it's impossible to believe that he spent
24:19
Speaker 17: that entire time asleep and not getting up and go
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Speaker 17: at least going to the bathroom.
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Speaker 11: Jordan Willis's attorney, John Piserno, refuses to answer questions about
24:28
Speaker 11: whether the men were using drugs. Paserno says there was
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Speaker 11: a fifth man in the home on the night of
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Speaker 11: January seventh. Willis says the man is a buddy who
24:35
Speaker 11: left earlier than the other three men.
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Speaker 6: As the investigation heated up, Jordan Willis moved out of
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Speaker 6: the home and checked into rehab. A forensic data extraction
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Speaker 6: found text messages on Harrington's phone between Willis mcgheiney, Johnson,
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Speaker 6: and others that proved Carson was the person who supplied
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Speaker 6: the group with cocaine, DNA evidence mash Willis identifying him
24:56
Speaker 6: as a major contributor, and DNA evidence from the second
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Speaker 6: Matt Carson, confirming his role as the drugs of liar.
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Speaker 2: Packs up and goes to rehab. So to Jonathan Price.
25:08
Speaker 1: When did you learn that the.
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Speaker 2: So called best friend of your brother packs up, clears
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Speaker 2: out the house, takes his dog, and goes to rehab.
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Speaker 5: I mean, the only time that we found out was
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Speaker 5: whenever it was reported in the news, which is kind
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Speaker 5: of the unfortunate part of all this. But if you
25:26
Speaker 5: have the mental capacity to know you have a problem
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Speaker 5: after the fact and check yourself into rehab, then you
25:32
Speaker 5: know you know more.
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Speaker 4: About what happened that night. And I don't know if
25:37
Speaker 4: you shared that or not with the authorities, but the
25:40
Speaker 4: fact that he was not.
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Speaker 5: Detained, you know after that night or the past fourteen
25:46
Speaker 5: months doesn't really make any sense to me.
25:47
Speaker 1: Yeah, you know too, Derek Smith. Why is that the
25:50
Speaker 1: go to with your clients and all the stars.
25:54
Speaker 2: It's only after they're busted for something that they suddenly
25:58
Speaker 2: realize they have a problem and they hide out in rehabit.
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Speaker 12: Well, unfortunately, it takes an event like that to really
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Speaker 12: change lifestyle or change a mindset or even in these cases,
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Speaker 12: a serious edition. I mean, it's akin to being in
26:14
Speaker 12: a certain way of life, certain way of doing things.
26:16
Speaker 12: Everything's fine as long as everything's fine, and then something
26:19
Speaker 12: tragic or something terrible, or the law gets involved and
26:21
Speaker 12: you have to make a drastic change.
26:23
Speaker 4: And that's, unfortunately just how it is. Sometimes.
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Speaker 2: Joining me right now is a special guest just joining us,
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Speaker 2: Eric Zand is with us. It is the Platte County
26:36
Speaker 2: prosecutor who was working on the case. And I know
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Speaker 2: Eric number one, thank you for being with us, but
26:43
Speaker 2: I know what you can say is limited, having been
26:46
Speaker 2: a prosecutor for many years myself, but I want to
26:48
Speaker 2: thank you for being with us. The family questioned this
26:53
Speaker 2: from the get go, and I know the prosecutors get
26:56
Speaker 2: the case, wants LA law enforcement finish their investigation. But
27:02
Speaker 2: I'm sure you know, having dealt with so many crime victims,
27:05
Speaker 2: how agonizing this has been for the family to be
27:08
Speaker 2: waiving the banner. This isn't right, This isn't normal. This
27:14
Speaker 2: guy's not innocent. He won't say a word to us
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Speaker 2: about what happened. This is the alleged best friend. They've
27:20
Speaker 2: been waiting all this time. Now, Eric, don't get me wrong,
27:24
Speaker 2: I'm glad we.
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Speaker 1: Finally have bombshell arrests.
27:29
Speaker 2: In the deaths of the three Kansas City chiefs. Fans,
27:32
Speaker 2: but what took so long? Please explain it?
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Speaker 9: Yeah, You're absolutely right, And Nancy, this was a long
27:38
Speaker 9: time coming. At our hearts absolutely go out to these
27:42
Speaker 9: family members. I met with them shortly after these deaths,
27:47
Speaker 9: and it's just really tragic. It's honestly, it's another reminder
27:52
Speaker 9: of the dangers of street drugs, and these cases are
27:55
Speaker 9: tough to put together. Cracking down who's responsible providing these
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Speaker 9: drugs is no easy task. But I can't tell you
28:04
Speaker 9: how proud I am Nancy of the Kansas City Police
28:07
Speaker 9: Department and prosecutors in my office, who from day one
28:12
Speaker 9: said that they weren't going to rest until we exhausted
28:15
Speaker 9: every possible resource to bring the people we believe responsible
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Speaker 9: for these crimes to justice, and yesterday was the first
28:24
Speaker 9: step in that. As you know, these men are presumed
28:26
Speaker 9: innocent and lessen until proven guilty, but we've charged them
28:29
Speaker 9: what we think happened, which was providing cocaine and fentanyl
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Speaker 9: and causing the deaths of these three men.
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Speaker 2: As a matter of fact, this is what Platte County
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Speaker 2: Prosecutor Eric Zand had to say.
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Speaker 3: A doctor with Forensic Medical of Kansas found that mister mcgheini,
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Speaker 3: mister Harrington, and mister Johnson all died of fentanyl and
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Speaker 3: cocaine combined toxicity.
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Speaker 2: Now from our forensic KMBC nine News. So Eric assertion,
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Speaker 2: what you're going to prove, I think in trial is
29:04
Speaker 2: that the casual use of a little cocaine, although family
29:09
Speaker 2: says that at least one of the victims had never
29:12
Speaker 2: used cocaine before, but the casual use of cocaine turned
29:17
Speaker 2: deadly because it was cut with fentanyl.
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Speaker 18: Yeah.
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Speaker 9: In this case, what we alleged is that there were
29:23
Speaker 9: two baggies found at the scene. One of those baggies
29:27
Speaker 9: contained cocaine. The other baggie we alleged contained fentanyl. The
29:33
Speaker 9: found that it was a combination of those two drugs
29:36
Speaker 9: that caused these men's deaths. And so we've charged both
29:40
Speaker 9: of the men, one of them who we believe provided
29:43
Speaker 9: the cocaine, the other who we alleged sold the fentanyl
29:48
Speaker 9: that caused these deaths, And we allege, because we charged
29:54
Speaker 9: them with manslaughter, that they recklessly caused the deaths of
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Speaker 9: these three men.
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Speaker 1: As a matter of fact, listen to what Jonathan Price
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Speaker 1: had to say.
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Speaker 18: From the very beginning, he said that before the fifth
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Speaker 18: person came out, he said that Jordan was there sporadically
30:09
Speaker 18: throughout the day and then whenever. And then he also
30:13
Speaker 18: did not mention in a fifth person. But once the
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Speaker 18: fifth person came out, then he changed it to saying
30:19
Speaker 18: that there was a fifth person and that he was
30:22
Speaker 18: asleep the entire time. So those were two very specific
30:26
Speaker 18: details that were specific in the opening statement but then
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Speaker 18: changed over time.
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Speaker 2: So Alexis Tereschuk, joining US Crime Stories investigative reporter, the
30:36
Speaker 2: best friend now charged in a homicide case, changed his story.
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Speaker 2: He never mentioned anybody else was there beside him and
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Speaker 2: his three buddies, all dead, frozen dead in the backyard.
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Speaker 2: And he goes three days and doesn't notice they're on
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Speaker 2: his back porch. There's a mystery guy, a fifth person.
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Speaker 2: Act says he changed his story.
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Speaker 8: Why because the fifth person was a person that provided
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Speaker 8: the drugs. According to police, this is somebody who they
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Speaker 8: have all known for quite a while that Jordan has known,
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Speaker 8: and he was contacted and this man brought the drugs.
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Speaker 8: This so there's cocaine. Jordan Willis's DNA is on the cocaine.
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Speaker 8: Ivory Carson's DNA is on the bag of fentanyl, and
31:20
Speaker 8: that is the toxic combination that killed these men. So
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Speaker 8: he was he had come over and brought them the cocaine.
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Speaker 8: And the way that the police found this out wasn't
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Speaker 8: through Jordan Willis. He never mentioned any of these details.
31:34
Speaker 8: But David Harrington's phone is the one phone that they
31:37
Speaker 8: were able to extract evidence from, and they saw on
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Speaker 8: there there were group chats about buying the cocaine. Willis
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Speaker 8: was the one that would always provide for them. These
31:46
Speaker 8: other guys didn't have enough. Cocain's expensive, it's not a
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Speaker 8: cheap drug. And then you topped that off of the
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Speaker 8: feninyl and he was the one that did it. So
31:53
Speaker 8: there were group chat tech messages that showed that these
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Speaker 8: were having got the.
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Speaker 1: Drugs to er exane.
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Speaker 2: Joining me right now, Platt County prosecutor, who is charged
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Speaker 2: with last swing all this evidence and presenting it to
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Speaker 2: a jury. Did he really think we wouldn't find out
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Speaker 2: about the fifth guy, the mystery man, and all of
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Speaker 2: his statements at the get go that was never mentioned.
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Speaker 1: Now we know why he was the dope dealer.
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Speaker 9: Well, and Nancy I can't I can't comment on exactly
32:23
Speaker 9: what either of these defendants thought or said, but what
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Speaker 9: I can tell you is that we alleged that mister
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Speaker 9: Willis provided cocaine and mister Carson sold Entinel to these men,
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Speaker 9: and we alleged that resulted in the deaths of these
32:41
Speaker 9: three great people who were boyfriend's husbands, fathers, sons of
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Speaker 9: people in Kansas City. It's truly tragic. And here's what
32:54
Speaker 9: folks have to understand. If you deal drugs and somebody
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Speaker 9: dies as a result, we will do everything we can
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Speaker 9: to make sure that you're held accountable for the deaths
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Speaker 9: of those people. That's exactly what we're trying to do
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Speaker 9: in this case.
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Speaker 2: Crime Stories with Nancy Grace, as we told you at
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Speaker 2: the time, the victims had gathered at Willis's home January
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Speaker 2: seventh to watch a Kansas City Chiefs playoff game against
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Speaker 2: the La Chargers. They never came home. Two days after
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Speaker 2: the men were last seen alive, one of the victims,
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Speaker 2: mcghiney's fiance, forced her way into the home and found
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Speaker 2: the three men dead in the backyard. Now, prosecutors alleged
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Speaker 2: Willis provided the drug that killed all three, and cohort
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Speaker 2: Carson supplied additional drugs in the weeks before. Under Missouri law,
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Speaker 2: anytime a death occurs in a commission of a crime,
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Speaker 2: whether intended or not, felony murder can be charged. The
34:12
Speaker 2: temperature that night was just eighteen degrees fear and height.
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Speaker 2: One of the victims seated upright in a patio chair,
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Speaker 2: the others lying sprawled nearby, ice crusted on their faces.
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Speaker 2: Investigators now calling it quote foul play by stealth and
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Speaker 2: to psychology reports confirmed all three died of cocaine laced
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Speaker 2: with fentanel. Police even find two plastic baggies in the home,
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Speaker 2: one containing cocaine with Willis's DNA and another with fentanyl
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Speaker 2: and Carson's DNA.
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Speaker 1: Video was shown in court.
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Speaker 2: Willis sitting in the back of a police cart, telling
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Speaker 2: his version of the night before. He went on to
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Speaker 2: insist he had no idea his friends died just steps
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Speaker 2: away from him.
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Speaker 1: What more do we know?
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Speaker 18: You look at any of their facebooks, any picture that's
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Speaker 18: posted that, it's not of their family, it's of these men.
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Speaker 9: And if just.
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Speaker 18: One of them, even two of them passed out at
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Speaker 18: the same time, which is already impossible, you know, the
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Speaker 18: other man would have absolutely brought them inside and called
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Speaker 18: for help something.
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Speaker 4: So that's just insane.
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Speaker 1: This is what Platt County Prosecutor Eric Xander tells us.
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Speaker 3: He saw a large plate of cocaine allegedly supplied by
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Speaker 3: mister Willis, that everyone was using.
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Speaker 2: According to prosecutors, the defendant provided it, the friend, the friend,
35:42
Speaker 2: the scientists, the HIV researcher Jordan Willis H thirty nine,
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Speaker 2: the best friend supplied a plate of coke, possibly laced
35:53
Speaker 2: with sentinel, to his friends. You were just hearing from
35:59
Speaker 2: our friends at KMBC nine us to doctor Kendall Crown's
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Speaker 2: joining us, Doctor Kendle crowns, I want to understand how
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Speaker 2: the use of these drugs, potentially cocaine cut with fentanyl
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Speaker 2: don't know if they knew it was cut with fentanyl,
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Speaker 2: what that would look like. I mean, it's hard for
36:18
Speaker 2: me to understand, although I've heard about it, I've prosecuted,
36:22
Speaker 2: I've seen it at crime scenes where you have a
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Speaker 2: party and there's a plate of cocaine out. I mean,
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Speaker 2: I would think there'd be sandwiches and chicken wings, right, celery, carrots.
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Speaker 1: Ranch dip.
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Speaker 2: There's a plate of cocaine and everybody's doing it.
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Speaker 1: You know how many.
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Speaker 2: Times have you heard that, mom, everybody's doing it? How
36:43
Speaker 2: are people supposed to know that cocaine could be laced
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Speaker 2: with fentanyl and what fentyl can do with you? Even
36:50
Speaker 2: a touch of fentanyl can kill you. So what would
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Speaker 2: fentonyl look like? Can it be in a powder for yes.
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Speaker 17: It can. Actually it'll be kind of in a wipe.
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Speaker 17: It can be in a white pottery form. It can
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Speaker 17: be in the form of a fake percocet, which is
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Speaker 17: a blue pill that has an M thirty label on it.
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Speaker 17: It can be a patch. It can even be on
37:13
Speaker 17: a lozenge type suckers one of the ways it is distributed.
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Speaker 17: But anyway, cocaine, if it's cut with something fentanyl can
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Speaker 17: be very deadly, and you don't know how much fentanyl
37:25
Speaker 17: has been put in there, how much fentanyl you're actually
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Speaker 17: getting with the amount of cocaine that's been cut with it.
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Speaker 17: So that's why you could have a group of people
37:34
Speaker 17: sitting together and three of them die and two of
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Speaker 17: them live because one got more fentanyl than the other.
37:39
Speaker 17: Because it's it's really not regulated like a drug through
37:43
Speaker 17: the FDA. It's just widely all over the place. So
37:48
Speaker 17: that's why the street drugs are very dangerous is you
37:50
Speaker 17: never know what you're getting. And one thing, we've had
37:53
Speaker 17: cocaine cut with a dog de wormer as well, so
37:56
Speaker 17: it's incredibly dangerous.
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Speaker 2: Under kennel crowns. I have investigetty cases. For instance, an
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Speaker 2: infant at daycare. Little did the family know that the
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Speaker 2: daycare provider was storing fentanyl there also dealing like I
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Speaker 2: think the husband or the boyfriend was dealing, and they
38:18
Speaker 2: moved the fentanyl from one place to the next inside
38:22
Speaker 2: the daycare and that movement released particles of fentanyl and
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Speaker 2: the infant inhaled it or touched it.
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Speaker 1: It killed the baby.
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Speaker 2: So if you've got a plate of cocaine at last
38:38
Speaker 2: with any fentyel at all.
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Speaker 1: There's your od right there.
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Speaker 2: What started off as I guess a good time is
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Speaker 2: in death. I mean you can die from even inhaling
38:48
Speaker 2: particles or touching particles of fentanyl.
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Speaker 17: Yes, fentanyl is incredibly dangerous, and even its friend or
38:55
Speaker 17: another derivative of a car fentanyl is even more dangerous.
38:58
Speaker 17: It's come down to the fact that law enforcement and
39:01
Speaker 17: paramedics will now carry in the lock zone, which is
39:04
Speaker 17: a way to counteract the effects of the opioid on
39:08
Speaker 17: their rigs or in their cars too. If they get
39:12
Speaker 17: exposed to it and begin having symptoms, they can take
39:14
Speaker 17: it and try and save themselves. So fentanel is incredibly dangerous.
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Speaker 17: It's not a drug you really should mess with.
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Speaker 2: You know. I'm just thinking about these victims and how
39:25
Speaker 2: they ended up frozen in plain view of their so
39:30
Speaker 2: called friend Jordan Willis, you know, I'm trying to think
39:36
Speaker 2: about their families. Dave mac tell me about the victims' families.
39:41
Speaker 2: I know Jonathan is here speaking on behalf of his
39:44
Speaker 2: brother Ricky, who died that day, whose body sat out
39:47
Speaker 2: there freezing for so long.
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Speaker 1: What about the other victims.
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Speaker 7: You know, Nancy, mister Harrington's mom, Theresa, claimed she's been
39:56
Speaker 7: kept out of the loop since the bodies were found.
39:59
Speaker 7: She said that they wouldn't tell me anything. Now she
40:03
Speaker 7: is saying that the statements made it easy to think
40:06
Speaker 7: that they had already made up their minds and there
40:09
Speaker 7: wouldn't be any further investigation. And she's really pushing back
40:12
Speaker 7: on this. She said the arrest didn't really clear up
40:15
Speaker 7: any speculation about the dead, saying, quote, I still don't
40:19
Speaker 7: know anything about how my son died or his last moments.
40:23
Speaker 7: That's pretty upsetting when you look at this over a
40:25
Speaker 7: year down the road, that she doesn't know any more
40:28
Speaker 7: than you and I might know.
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Speaker 2: Well, Kendall Crown's what would someone go through if they
40:33
Speaker 2: literally sat outside an accidental fencyl stupor and froze dead.
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Speaker 1: That would be horrible, but they couldn't get up and move.
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Speaker 17: So basically, fentnyl makes your respiratory drive decrease and makes
40:51
Speaker 17: your brain not think it needs enough oxygen, and so
40:54
Speaker 17: you slowly kind of drift off into a coma that
40:58
Speaker 17: eventually you're not getting enough oxygen, begins to die, which
41:03
Speaker 17: causes your lungs to fill with fluid and then you
41:06
Speaker 17: pass away. It wouldn't necessarily immobilize you to the point
41:10
Speaker 17: that you couldn't get up and get yourself out of
41:12
Speaker 17: an unsafe situation unless you've gone into a coma. So
41:16
Speaker 17: those individuals, how would.
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Speaker 2: They sit there and on the porch and a lounge
41:21
Speaker 2: chair and lay in the backyard if they could move?
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Speaker 1: I mean, I'm certainly not a medical doctor.
41:29
Speaker 2: But certainly they would get up off the porch or
41:33
Speaker 2: get off the ground and come inside. According to the defendant,
41:38
Speaker 2: the door was unlocked. I submit they couldn't.
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Speaker 17: Well, that's if they're still conscious. If they've gotten enough
41:44
Speaker 17: fentanyl in and it's caused them to go into basically
41:47
Speaker 17: a coma, they can't move at that point, and then
41:50
Speaker 17: they will either more likely than not die from the
41:54
Speaker 17: fentanyl prior to dying from freezing to death. Because there
41:58
Speaker 17: are autopsy findings you'll find that'll show that they died
42:01
Speaker 17: from hype both urmia or freezing to death, which I
42:04
Speaker 17: haven't seen any reports of that being found.
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Speaker 1: Alexis Tereshchat.
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Speaker 2: We keep referring to them as the Kansas City Chiefs fans,
42:11
Speaker 2: and they were so much more than that. Tell me
42:13
Speaker 2: about their families.
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Speaker 1: Well, Clayton mcginney was engaged.
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Speaker 8: He was engaged to a woman named April Mahoney, and
42:20
Speaker 8: they were very happy together. They were very young, you know.
42:23
Speaker 8: He worked in construction, small business construction, and he was
42:26
Speaker 8: going through a really rough time. There weren't a lot
42:28
Speaker 8: of jobs. But they were still together at the time,
42:31
Speaker 8: and she in fact started a GoFundMe to sell everybody
42:35
Speaker 8: like he was so wonderful and he was somebody that
42:39
Speaker 8: was her whole life, and the two of them had
42:41
Speaker 8: all these future plans together and then it was abruptly
42:44
Speaker 8: cut short. And in fact, she was the one that
42:47
Speaker 8: found that April was trying, trying, trying to reach him, Clayton,
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Speaker 8: calling him over and over again. She's the one that
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Speaker 8: showed up at Jordan Willison's house. She broke through the
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Speaker 8: basement window, she got out, she found Clayton, and then
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Speaker 8: the other two.
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Speaker 2: Guys did overnight, we learn to arrested in the horrific
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Speaker 2: deaths of three Kansas City Chiefs fans watching a football
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Speaker 2: game with their so called best friend now behind bars.
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Speaker 2: Arrested the so called best friend, Jordan Willis, and a
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Speaker 2: guy named Ivory J. Carson, a k A Blade Okay,
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Speaker 2: straight back out to Jonathan Price, this is Ricky's brother,
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Speaker 2: tell me your thoughts.
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Speaker 5: Well, I mean some of everything, you know, I just
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Speaker 5: you know, he was my brother, cherish him a lot.
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Speaker 5: And his three daughters, you know, and you know, so
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Speaker 5: a couple of them are a little bit young to
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Speaker 5: fully understand. It's a it's very difficult to think about
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Speaker 5: what they are going through and the answers that they've
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Speaker 5: been collected for all this time, and it's it's just,
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Speaker 5: you know, very makes us very distraught.
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Speaker 2: Jonathan Price, you want to set the record straight on
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Speaker 2: some certain issues.
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Speaker 5: What Well, one of the things that we've been told
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Speaker 5: since the beginning which did not make sense is the
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Speaker 5: ruling out of foul play, and you know, the the
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Speaker 5: amount of information that we've gotten since then, you know,
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Speaker 5: since January ninth, it's it's been very disappointing. I'm glad
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Speaker 5: that I understand that it takes time, and you know,
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Speaker 5: I'm glad that we are finally getting some answers, but
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Speaker 5: there's there's still a lot out there that we don't
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Speaker 5: fully understand. And just three or four months ago, Jordan's
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Speaker 5: lawyer was saying that he thinks that charges will come,
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Speaker 5: but not to Jordan, and that's from talking to some prosecutor.
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Speaker 4: So that part doesn't make sense to me either.
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Speaker 5: And you know, I'm just the more I get back
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Speaker 5: into this, you know, the more pain that's coming back,
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Speaker 5: just like there was back then, and the more questions
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Speaker 5: that are arising from all of this.
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Speaker 2: Two defendants left standing in the case of three Kansas
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Speaker 2: city chiefs dead in the backyard. Of course, the defense
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Speaker 2: attorneys are claiming this is totally unheard of. We wait
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Speaker 2: as justice unfolds Nancy Gray's crime stories. Signing off, have
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Speaker 2: a wonderful Wednesday.
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Speaker 1: Goodbye friend,