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New Zealand Netball’s Big Gamble, Private Ownership & Who Wins the Constellation Cup? · No Dribble

• 0:08
  Speaker 1: It's not Waitangi Day, but today we are going to
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  Speaker 1: be all about New Zealand because we are one month
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  Speaker 1: until the constellation comes. So to quote a famous New
• 0:16
  Speaker 1: Zealander who has her birthday in the month of September...
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  Speaker 1: rachel hunter it won't happen overnight but it will happen
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  Speaker 1: and we are one month away from the constellation cup
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  Speaker 1: and you're on no dribble strap in hello and welcome
• 0:41
  Speaker 1: to no dribble the podcast where some of us with
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  Speaker 1: new zealand passports and citizenship make fun of New Zealand
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  Speaker 1: accents and we're allowed to because that is our birthright.
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  Speaker 1: We talk about netball, we talk about so much more.
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  Speaker 1: My name's Carolyn Swindell.
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  Speaker 2: I'm Liz Ellis and it's nice to not be outnumbered
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  Speaker 2: by people born in New Zealand today because joining us is.
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  Speaker 1: Aussie, Aussie, Aussie.
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  Speaker 3: Julie Fitzgerald, who has a very big part of her
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  Speaker 3: heart in New Zealand as well.
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  Speaker 1: Big part of your heart. And that's why, because you
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  Speaker 1: were coming on, we really want to talk about New Zealand.
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  Speaker 1: And you've been busily trying to find out what you
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  Speaker 1: can about what's happening in netball in New Zealand next year.
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  Speaker 1: So in our netball segment, I'm very excited to hear
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  Speaker 1: about that. I will, of course, be giving away the
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  Speaker 1: code to get 20% off Constellation Cup tickets. Constellation Cup
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  Speaker 1: starts in New Zealand one month from today, October 18th
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  Speaker 1: in Auckland, and then goes to Christchurch and then goes
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  Speaker 1: to Sydney, which is the day after a very special
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  Speaker 1: event that we'll be having, and then goes to Melbourne.
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  Speaker 1: And based on what we saw last year, it could
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  Speaker 1: go for like four hours in Melbourne to find out
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  Speaker 1: what the final result is because these teams are Both
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  Speaker 1: looking good. So we've got a lot to talk about
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  Speaker 1: in our netball segment. But before we get to that,
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  Speaker 1: I have a social dilemma and I think it's something
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  Speaker 1: that we should nut out together.
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  Speaker 2: Oh, I love a social dilemma.
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  Speaker 1: Another social dilemma.
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  Speaker 2: I'm just warming up. I'll just shake it out so
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  Speaker 2: I'm ready.
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  Speaker 1: So I went to Canberra on the weekend. I had
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  Speaker 1: a gig down there and I couldn't be bothered driving.
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  Speaker 1: So I caught a coach down there, which I haven't
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  Speaker 1: done in a very long time. And it was very
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  Speaker 1: appealing because I was able to buy my seat and
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  Speaker 1: for 20 bucks, get the seat next to me. So
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  Speaker 1: I had plenty of space. It was like business class.
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  Speaker 1: It was really good. I snoozed, whatever. And then I
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  Speaker 1: thought about it and I thought, I've just been to
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  Speaker 1: sleep here on this bus, would feel very comfortable sleeping
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  Speaker 1: on a plane, but I wouldn't go to sleep on
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  Speaker 1: a bus if I was going from my home into
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  Speaker 1: the city, say. And so it's like where is it
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  Speaker 1: appropriate to be in public and be asleep?
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  Speaker 2: I think it's less about whether it's appropriate and more
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  Speaker 2: about whether you're going to miss your stop, right?
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  Speaker 1: Right, yep.
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  Speaker 2: I used to catch the train to and from school
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  Speaker 2: and there would always be people at different points who
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  Speaker 2: would wake up and go, oh, I've missed my stop
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  Speaker 2: and jump up. And I may or may not have
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  Speaker 2: been one of them during my HSC years. So I
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  Speaker 2: think it's at least on like a coach or a plane,
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  Speaker 2: you know when it stops, someone's going to wake you
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  Speaker 2: up and get you off. But unless you fall asleep
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  Speaker 2: on a train with a little sign saying, please wake
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  Speaker 2: at Pennant Hills or something like that, you should never
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  Speaker 2: fall asleep on a train, especially around your schoolmates.
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  Speaker 3: I just flew to New Zealand and next to me
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  Speaker 3: was a guy who slept all the way, which is
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  Speaker 3: quite acceptable on a plane, except that he snored very
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  Speaker 3: loudly all the way. So I think it depends a
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  Speaker 3: lot whether you snore or dribble or whatever else when
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  Speaker 3: you go to sleep.
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  Speaker 2: Oh, dribblings.
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  Speaker 3: Funny.
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  Speaker 2: You know, like when you were on tour and there
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  Speaker 2: was someone who was drooling, it was the best. And
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  Speaker 2: you'd take photos, but back then they were film photos
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  Speaker 2: and they'd get developed and by the time you got
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  Speaker 2: them developed six months later it wasn't that funny, whereas
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  Speaker 2: now it must be very funny with iPhones. Always funny.
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  Speaker 1: Always funny. Okay, because that's transport. So what about cafe, restaurant, bar, shops?
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  Speaker 2: No, but I may or may not have fallen asleep
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  Speaker 2: in a bar before the advent.
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  Speaker 1: Of social media. Because if you fall asleep in a bar,
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  Speaker 1: you're going to get chucked out, right? They're going to go,
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  Speaker 1: you're obviously drunk, you have to go. Sometimes you're just
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  Speaker 1: tired and it's night time and it's late.
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  Speaker 2: Yes, and you've played a game of netball the night
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  Speaker 2: before and you're waiting for your manager to come and
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  Speaker 2: get you at 5 a.m. to take you to the airport.
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  Speaker 2: That's when it's totally okay to have a little snooze
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  Speaker 2: in the back.
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  Speaker 3: Of the bar. I think it's a real struggle when
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  Speaker 3: you're at the theatre and there's a boring play on
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  Speaker 3: or you're watching a movie you're not really into. It's
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  Speaker 3: a time you don't really want to go to sleep.
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  Speaker 3: It's quite a battle not to.
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  Speaker 1: I have to really limit my alcohol if I'm going
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  Speaker 1: to the theatre because no matter how good it is,
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  Speaker 1: I'm sitting in the dark. I'm still. It's quiet. No
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  Speaker 1: one's asked anything of me. I'm quite likely to nod off.
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  Speaker 1: I didn't go to sleep in the Odyssey, which was
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  Speaker 1: remarkable because it was three hours long. I just loved
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  Speaker 1: it so much. But generally speaking, there is a high
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  Speaker 1: risk of me falling asleep if I am in a
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  Speaker 1: cinema or a theatre, but low risk of me falling
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  Speaker 1: asleep if I'm in a cafe. My husband went shopping
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  Speaker 1: a few weeks ago and he had to kill some
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  Speaker 1: time waiting for me. So he went into one of
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  Speaker 1: the department stores and and was trying out different pillows
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  Speaker 1: and the lady, he was lying on the bed in
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  Speaker 1: the pillow section and she kept bringing him different pillows.
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  Speaker 1: She offered him one that he had the opportunity to
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  Speaker 1: pay $ 300 for a pillow. Like what?
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  Speaker 3: I thought you were going to tell me he went
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  Speaker 3: to sleep while I was piling the pillows.
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  Speaker 1: I imagine that she would have let him to demonstrate
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  Speaker 1: the effectiveness of the pillow. But what's an appropriate price
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  Speaker 1: to pay for a pillow? Like surely.
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  Speaker 2: Oh, I've paid a bit of money for a pillow
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  Speaker 2: because you spend like a third of your day on
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  Speaker 2: it if you're lucky, maybe more like a quarter. But still,
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  Speaker 2: you spend a bit of time on it.
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  Speaker 1: But $ 300? Like I would think.
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  Speaker 3: What's that famous pillow they advertise all the time? It's
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  Speaker 3: very expensive. Is it?
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  Speaker 2: I don't know. I think I went for like the
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  Speaker 2: koala pillow or something like that. Is that a company? Yeah.
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  Speaker 2: I don't know.
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  Speaker 1: I know it's a bedding company. Yeah. But like I
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  Speaker 1: would think maybe, you know, even $ 80 I'd go, oh,
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  Speaker 1: it seems a lot of money but I've got my
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  Speaker 1: head on it all the time. But I have a
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  Speaker 1: special one from the chiropractor which costs about $ 150. It's
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  Speaker 1: got a particular shape to it.
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  Speaker 2: But $ 300?
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  Speaker 1: $ 300 is a lot. I'm just looking at the last
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  Speaker 1: one I.
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  Speaker 2: Bought which was $ 170.
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  Speaker 1: I think that was– But you also bought... But never
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  Speaker 1: pay retail. That's the Liz Ellis motto.
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  Speaker 2: Well, I waited until it was on sale. Yeah, well,
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  Speaker 2: that's right. But I don't know. I think bed's a
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  Speaker 2: funny thing, isn't it? Because you spend so much time there.
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  Speaker 2: Like you've bought linen sheets.
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  Speaker 1: Yes, yes.
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  Speaker 2: And you don't regret that. And they're expensive.
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  Speaker 1: That was 500 bucks a pop. And that was expensive.
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  Speaker 1: And like regularly I go, this was so worth it.
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  Speaker 1: Even though, in fact, the linen sheets... It's a bit
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  Speaker 1: uncomfortable for a while. Like you have to sleep on
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  Speaker 1: them for a while. There's a little bit of itchiness
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  Speaker 1: in the beginning, even if you've washed them, and then
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  Speaker 1: they become perfect. So, yeah, that was a lot of money.
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  Speaker 1: I've always looked.
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  Speaker 3: At linen sheets, but I want to sleep in them
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  Speaker 3: before I buy them.
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  Speaker 2: Oh, Jules, come up to our place and I'll put
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  Speaker 2: some linen sheets on your bed. I've got two sets
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  Speaker 2: and I love them.
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  Speaker 1: I will do that. You can pop in and have
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  Speaker 1: a snooze here before you go.
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  Speaker 2: That's an appropriate place to sleep.
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  Speaker 1: If there's any risk that you're going to fall asleep
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  Speaker 1: in a cafe after you leave here or whatever.
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  Speaker 2: Yeah, look, I think if a place is dark, it's
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  Speaker 2: appropriate to fall asleep in it. If it's dimly lit
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  Speaker 2: and warm, go for your life.
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  Speaker 3: As long as you don't fall asleep in one of
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  Speaker 3: Carolyn's gigs.
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  Speaker 1: Yeah, no, that's true. Does that happen to you?
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  Speaker 3: No.
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  Speaker 1: I can't think of anyone who's fallen asleep in one
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  Speaker 1: of my gigs. On Saturday night I had some friends
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  Speaker 1: at this gig that I was doing at the Canberra Theatre,
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  Speaker 1: and hello to all the dribblers who came to that.
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  Speaker 1: Thank you very much. But I had a friend who
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  Speaker 1: was there and she just got a little bit excited
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  Speaker 1: and my other friends who had not been as excited
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  Speaker 1: with the Chardonnay before the show as she was really
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  Speaker 1: had to restrain her from jumping out of the seat
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  Speaker 1: and cheering and it's like, no, no, it's okay. Which
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  Speaker 1: is my very supportive dear friends. But the opposite of
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  Speaker 1: going to sleep.
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  Speaker 2: That is funny.
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  Speaker 1: We did have some people in the front row just
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  Speaker 1: kept talking and Rhys Nicholson was the headliner and they
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  Speaker 1: were actually calling, several of the comedians had called these
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  Speaker 1: people in the front row about can you zip it?
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  Speaker 1: Like what are you doing? And it wasn't like a
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  Speaker 1: general seating, come in late, there's nowhere else to sit
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  Speaker 1: except the front row. But they had bought tickets to
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  Speaker 1: sit in the front row or the second row. I
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  Speaker 1: couldn't quite work out where they were. And they just
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  Speaker 1: chatted through the whole thing. And then afterwards, one of
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  Speaker 1: the comedians from the first act was out in the
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  Speaker 1: foyer in interval because he's doing a solo show in Canberra,
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  Speaker 1: Daniel Muggleton, very funny. And they came up and went, oh,
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  Speaker 1: we're the talkers. It's like, no, like, shut up. Don't
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  Speaker 1: be the talkers.
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  Speaker 3: Yeah.
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  Speaker 1: And then Rhys Nicholson was the headliner and said, yeah,
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  Speaker 1: we're all talking about you backstage. It's not funny. It's
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  Speaker 1: not Netflix, you guys. We can hear you up here
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  Speaker 1: on stage. So I wish they'd gone to sleep. That
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  Speaker 1: would have been good.
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  Speaker 2: That would have been very, very good. This is nowhere
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  Speaker 2: near as, you know, cultural as that, but I remember
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  Speaker 2: a teammate once.
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  Speaker 1: Because stand-up comedy is so cultural.
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  Speaker 2: Well, it's much more cultural than this story. I had
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  Speaker 2: a teammate once who she got tired and emotional and
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  Speaker 2: we all did after a game in Perth. Julie, you
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  Speaker 2: would remember this, and she fell asleep. After a night out,
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  Speaker 2: we were staying at friends of ours and she fell
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  Speaker 2: asleep on the trampoline and woke up a few hours
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  Speaker 2: into a very sunny day and one side of her
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  Speaker 2: face was burned and the other wasn't.
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  Speaker 3: I remember it very well.
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  Speaker 1: And had she been bitten by mosquitoes or anything too? No.
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  Speaker 3: No, no, no.
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  Speaker 2: Just sunburn. It was the funniest sunburn I've ever seen. Anyway,
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  Speaker 2: we probably should have saved her but we just watched
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  Speaker 2: and laughed.
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  Speaker 1: So it was literally just one side of the face.
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  Speaker 2: Yeah, Julie remembers it well.
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  Speaker 3: And arms and legs. With only one arm and one leg.
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  Speaker 1: All right, well, I'm still not clear on where I
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  Speaker 1: can sleep other than in transport options or at entertainment.
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  Speaker 1: But don't go to sleep in a stand-up comedy gig.
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  Speaker 1: You're just inviting trouble if you do that.
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  Speaker 2: Don't talk.
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  Speaker 1: But what I do want to get clear on is
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  Speaker 1: what's happening in Nepal in New Zealand.
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  Speaker 2: Yes.
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  Speaker 1: That's a segue. So let's have a little break and
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  Speaker 1: come back. And Julie Fitzgerald is going to share all. Okay,
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  Speaker 1: so Julie, we're very grateful that you're here, but we
• 11:00
  Speaker 1: did give you homework because that's what we do here
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  Speaker 1: on No Dribble.
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  Speaker 3: I didn't need homework. I'm very interested in it.
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  Speaker 1: Great. Well... So what we did ask was, can you
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  Speaker 1: come and talk to us about what you know about
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  Speaker 1: what's happening with the New Zealand domestic comp next year, please?
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  Speaker 3: I find the whole thing really interesting. I think it's
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  Speaker 3: going to be fascinating to follow what happens over the
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  Speaker 3: next few years over there, because it is a major step.
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  Speaker 3: Two of New Zealand's wealthiest people and most influential people
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  Speaker 3: have bought the rights to the league and it will
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  Speaker 3: now be privately owned. And I think it's going to
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  Speaker 3: be fascinating to see how that develops. And I know
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  Speaker 3: they said a minimum of five teams, but I do
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  Speaker 3: know they're hoping it will be six.
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  Speaker 1: Oh, okay. And would it be the six who we
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  Speaker 1: have already seen? So Mystics, Northern Stars, Magic, Central Pulse, Tactics, Steel,
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  Speaker 1: or is it likely to be new teams?
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  Speaker 3: I think they hope to have six next year and
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  Speaker 3: expand it beyond that. But I think it will be
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  Speaker 3: the six teams that can prove that they can be
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  Speaker 3: commercially viable to compete in the league. And I think...
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  Speaker 3: the influence that people like Ali Williams and Anna Mowbray have,
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  Speaker 3: they will find people who will invest in these franchises
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  Speaker 3: and the franchises will become privately owned. And that puts
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  Speaker 3: a whole new light on netball at all different sorts
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  Speaker 3: of levels. And when you look at it, Netball New
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  Speaker 3: Zealand no longer has the responsibility or the financial responsibility
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  Speaker 3: to run a national league. So that's money that they
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  Speaker 3: can now invest in the Silver Ferns. They already run
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  Speaker 3: a New Zealand A program, a New Zealand Under 21
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  Speaker 3: program and a very good schools program on a shoestring.
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  Speaker 3: But now they will have more cash available, particularly over
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  Speaker 3: the next couple of years perhaps, to invest in those programs.
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  Speaker 3: And then you get down to the league itself and
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  Speaker 3: the zones won't have the responsibility or the total responsibility
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  Speaker 3: of running a team in the league. So they'll be
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  Speaker 3: able to put more money into their own development. And
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  Speaker 3: I also think if they stick with one import per team,
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  Speaker 3: which I think they'll be inclined to do at least
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  Speaker 3: in the first year, 60 teams, one import in each,
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  Speaker 3: that's 55, not second string, but certainly not the top
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  Speaker 3: players that are getting to play in a national league,
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  Speaker 3: probably on television, fully financed by private enterprise teams. Whereas
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  Speaker 3: in Australia, we've got 80 athletes playing in the SSN,
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  Speaker 3: but only 55 of them are Australian and it's our best.
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  Speaker 3: New Zealand's best will be playing internationally and their next
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  Speaker 3: best will be playing in a national league. Do you
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  Speaker 3: think they'll come back?
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  Speaker 1: Do you think that 2027 will be the biggest year
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  Speaker 1: of Kiwis in Super Netball? Do you think there will
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  Speaker 1: be a full of flights heading back.
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  Speaker 3: No, surely if you were smart, you would have signed
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  Speaker 3: a Kiwi on more than a one-year deal. So I
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  Speaker 3: think most of the top Kiwis will be, well, Grace
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  Speaker 3: Nweki is three years, I think Kate Heffernan is three years.
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  Speaker 3: Your top Kiwis will be restricted to staying in Australia
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  Speaker 3: for a while. But meanwhile, they'll be building something pretty
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  Speaker 3: good over there. Yeah. And I think it's going to
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  Speaker 3: be fascinating to see how it works. And I know
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  Speaker 3: Netball Australia is trying really hard to rebuild our development
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  Speaker 3: programs because they have definitely suffered over the last years.
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  Speaker 3: But I think it gives New Zealand a real opportunity
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  Speaker 3: to invest in what sits under the silver ferns in
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  Speaker 3: the future.
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  Speaker 2: Yeah, it's interesting, isn't it? And I think the fact
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  Speaker 2: that sport is now entertainment, you do wonder... if you
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  Speaker 2: can do both as an organisation. So clearly in New
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  Speaker 2: Zealand they've gone, right, the sport will run the sport
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  Speaker 2: and an entertainment product will be owned by private enterprise
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  Speaker 2: so they can go and commercialise it. So I think
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  Speaker 2: it's a great test case that certainly I'll be looking
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  Speaker 2: at very closely to say, okay, does this work? And
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  Speaker 2: the thing that I'm really interested to see will be
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  Speaker 2: how they keep that nexus between that elite level and
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  Speaker 2: the community level because when commercial partners come into the game,
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  Speaker 2: they love the elite level and they want to be
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  Speaker 2: part of that. But the real value is also in
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  Speaker 2: being able to link that down into the community. And
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  Speaker 2: so I think being able to set up some sort
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  Speaker 2: of relationship between the two so that you can, they both,
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  Speaker 2: it's a symbiotic relationship, right? They both benefit rather than
• 15:24
  Speaker 2: both competing for the same corporate dollar, right? So it's
• 15:28
  Speaker 2: got to be, there's got to be a way to
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  Speaker 2: solve that. And I think it's eminently solvable. So I'm
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  Speaker 2: really looking forward to see how they go.
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  Speaker 3: And that might be different franchise to franchise too because
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  Speaker 3: I read an article today where Auckland wants two teams. Well,
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  Speaker 3: once that happens, you immediately have that who looks after
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  Speaker 3: grassroots and who has access to database, all that sort
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  Speaker 3: of thing.
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  Speaker 1: Which is what we've seen in Victoria, that the Vixens
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  Speaker 1: have had all of the netball Victoria players. infrastructure behind
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  Speaker 1: them and the Mavs have been sort of knocking on
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  Speaker 1: the door. Is that what we're about to see in
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  Speaker 1: New South Wales, do you think, that it's like the
• 16:04
  Speaker 1: Swifts will have all of that netball New South Wales
• 16:10
  Speaker 1: information database and the like and the sirens will be...?
• 16:14
  Speaker 1: I think.
• 16:14
  Speaker 3: All those sorts of things were negotiated in the deal
• 16:16
  Speaker 3: and I'm not privy to it, but I know they're
• 16:18
  Speaker 3: the sort of thing that was discussed.
• 16:20
  Speaker 1: And I imagine back off the learnings of the Mavs.
• 16:24
  Speaker 3: Yeah.
• 16:25
  Speaker 2: And it's two very separate things, right?
• 16:26
  Speaker 3: So.
• 16:27
  Speaker 2: Collingwood was established independently when the league was established. And
• 16:30
  Speaker 2: then when they handed back their license and the Mavs
• 16:33
  Speaker 2: were set up independently, whereas the Sirens, SEN bought the
• 16:37
  Speaker 2: Sirens off Netball New South Wales. So they had the opportunity,
• 16:40
  Speaker 2: I would have thought, and I absolutely do not know,
• 16:44
  Speaker 2: but you would have thought, as Julie said, there's the
• 16:46
  Speaker 2: opportunity there to say, okay, well, how do we work
• 16:48
  Speaker 2: together to sort of support success? And I think all
• 16:52
  Speaker 2: the learnings from the Mavs, the Mavs actually do their
• 16:54
  Speaker 2: community outreach really well. So I suspect they'll, supercharge that
• 16:58
  Speaker 2: through the sirens, particularly in Western Sydney, right, which is
• 17:01
  Speaker 2: such a massive growth corridor.
• 17:03
  Speaker 1: But they're not having an academy, are they? So is
• 17:07
  Speaker 1: this one of the dangers of the private funding model here?
• 17:13
  Speaker 1: They have to be looking at their talent from somewhere, though.
• 17:15
  Speaker 1: So if they're not having an academy in its traditional form?
• 17:19
  Speaker 3: You've really touched on my heart now because... I was really,
• 17:23
  Speaker 3: really proud of what the Giants Academy achieved. And if
• 17:26
  Speaker 3: you look back on it now, we've got players who
• 17:28
  Speaker 3: started in the Academy, became training partners and then got contracts.
• 17:33
  Speaker 3: And those players are people like Kira Austin, Amy Parmenter,
• 17:36
  Speaker 3: Tegan O'Shaughnessy, Sophie Dwyer, Matisse Leatherborough. Yeah, wow. Amy Sligar,
• 17:42
  Speaker 3: Tilly MacDonald, Erin O'Brien. Like I will have forgotten someone
• 17:45
  Speaker 3: in all of that. And I thought it played a really,
• 17:47
  Speaker 3: really valuable role in developing New South Wales talent.
• 17:50
  Speaker 1: Yeah.
• 17:51
  Speaker 3: So I'm really sad that that has gone. It may
• 17:53
  Speaker 3: be a one-year thing. I don't know. It may be
• 17:55
  Speaker 3: a financial thing. They are going to put a team
• 17:58
  Speaker 3: in to the reserves competition. But our academy was great.
• 18:02
  Speaker 3: It really introduced them to what elite netball was like.
• 18:05
  Speaker 3: We had the same strength and conditioning trainer, the same physios.
• 18:09
  Speaker 3: We worked really, really closely together with the top team.
• 18:11
  Speaker 3: And I think that's a massive thing to lose, even
• 18:14
  Speaker 3: if it's only for a year.
• 18:15
  Speaker 1: Yeah. Just on that, last week I asked some questions
• 18:18
  Speaker 1: about training partners and the wonderful Gerard Murphy has sent
• 18:22
  Speaker 1: me an answer, so thank you, Gerard.
• 18:24
  Speaker 2: Hang on, is Gerard a dribbler?
• 18:27
  Speaker 1: Gerard's a dribbler.
• 18:28
  Speaker 2: Oh, I love that.
• 18:29
  Speaker 1: He's also the busiest man in Australia, I'm convinced.
• 18:33
  Speaker 3: I cannot believe what he does.
• 18:35
  Speaker 1: Yeah, so he's coaching, obviously he's the Mavs coach, but
• 18:39
  Speaker 1: he's also coaching the men's and the mixed teams in Victoria.
• 18:43
  Speaker 3: He's a part-time coach for Mavs?
• 18:44
  Speaker 1: Yeah.
• 18:45
  Speaker 3: He coaches the men's Victorian team. He runs his own business.
• 18:48
  Speaker 3: He's renovating a house. I look back and think, what
• 18:51
  Speaker 3: the hell were you doing all that time?
• 18:53
  Speaker 1: And takes the time to send me a message to
• 18:55
  Speaker 1: talk about training partners.
• 18:56
  Speaker 2: Does he have kids? Because that's the only excuse that
• 18:59
  Speaker 2: I've got.
• 19:00
  Speaker 3: I don't think so. I don't think so.
• 19:04
  Speaker 1: I've got kids. I can't do it all. So the
• 19:07
  Speaker 1: rules for training partners. This is from Gerard. Thank you.
• 19:10
  Speaker 1: Rules for training partners with Super Netball. Clubs must sign four.
• 19:13
  Speaker 1: They can have as many as the club wants. The
• 19:16
  Speaker 1: 11th player must be an Australian and have played less
• 19:18
  Speaker 1: than 10 Super Netball games or be under 30, can't
• 19:22
  Speaker 1: be nominated until October. The 11th can't go to another
• 19:26
  Speaker 1: club as a temporary or a permanent replacement. Training partners
• 19:29
  Speaker 1: must be paid $ 6, 000 each. Training partners are capped at
• 19:33
  Speaker 1: 100 court hours. And there are two categories of training partner,
• 19:37
  Speaker 1: nominated and other. Nominated can't go to another club as
• 19:41
  Speaker 1: a temporary replacement and don't need extra approval to sub
• 19:44
  Speaker 1: for the nominated Super Netball team. They can go as
• 19:47
  Speaker 1: a permanent replacement with approval. Other training partners can be
• 19:52
  Speaker 1: temporary replacements at other Super Netball clubs and need approval
• 19:55
  Speaker 1: to play for the aligned Super Netball club. There we go.
• 19:59
  Speaker 1: Isn't it lovely when you've got people who know what
• 20:02
  Speaker 1: they're talking about listening to the podcast and willing to
• 20:05
  Speaker 1: share that information with us? That's great.
• 20:06
  Speaker 3: Thank you, Gerard.
• 20:07
  Speaker 2: Thanks, Gerard.
• 20:08
  Speaker 1: Love it. Right.
• 20:09
  Speaker 3: Okay.
• 20:10
  Speaker 1: Well, that's going to be really interesting to watch what
• 20:12
  Speaker 1: happens in New Zealand there. And I think too, when
• 20:15
  Speaker 1: we're looking at these privately owned, so that's a privately
• 20:19
  Speaker 1: owned comp. Who knows, maybe we would have a privately
• 20:22
  Speaker 1: owned competition at Super Netball level one day here in Australia,
• 20:25
  Speaker 1: but we're starting to see privately owned clubs and seeing
• 20:28
  Speaker 1: that there is a difference in the way they approach
• 20:33
  Speaker 1: what they do. Like, I think it's been really refreshing
• 20:35
  Speaker 1: to see the Mavs bring something new and it's clearly
• 20:37
  Speaker 1: not this is the way it's always been done in
• 20:40
  Speaker 1: fact it's been quite a well we can't do it
• 20:43
  Speaker 1: the way it's always been done we're forced to do
• 20:45
  Speaker 1: things a different way and I think that's been good
• 20:47
  Speaker 1: for the sport and I think it'd be good you
• 20:48
  Speaker 1: know when we see what happens with the sirens next
• 20:51
  Speaker 1: year too but I'll be really watching with interest what
• 20:54
  Speaker 1: happens in New Zealand there and.
• 20:57
  Speaker 3: I think it'll be fascinating and they haven't got very
• 20:59
  Speaker 3: long to set it all up like there's so much
• 21:01
  Speaker 3: work to be done underneath.
• 21:02
  Speaker 1: Yeah do we know when their season is.
• 21:04
  Speaker 3: No that I don't think they've announced that yet but
• 21:07
  Speaker 3: There's an ad out at the moment for a commissioner
• 21:09
  Speaker 3: of the new league and it's quite interesting when you
• 21:12
  Speaker 3: read the ad and there was perspective in that that
• 21:14
  Speaker 3: I really enjoyed as well. And they talk about having
• 21:18
  Speaker 3: an association with grassroots and all of those sorts of
• 21:21
  Speaker 3: things as well. So I think it's going to be
• 21:22
  Speaker 3: fascinating the next two or three years over there.
• 21:25
  Speaker 1: Would you be the commish?
• 21:27
  Speaker 3: No, I don't think I'm smart enough for that one.
• 21:29
  Speaker 1: I think you're well and truly smart enough, but we
• 21:31
  Speaker 1: might keep you here in Sydney. Very good. And, Liz,
• 21:34
  Speaker 1: I guess Netball Australia is... talking, watching with interest, trying to,
• 21:40
  Speaker 1: you know.
• 21:41
  Speaker 2: Yeah, watching with interest, watching to see what decisions get made,
• 21:45
  Speaker 2: why decisions get made, understanding how you set through this process.
• 21:50
  Speaker 2: There is no doubt that this is something that we
• 21:52
  Speaker 2: absolutely should look at. But, yeah, I think it's a
• 21:55
  Speaker 2: really interesting development because we've seen an enormous amount of
• 21:59
  Speaker 2: capital flowing to women's sports and there is still a
• 22:02
  Speaker 2: sense that there is an enormous amount of value left
• 22:05
  Speaker 2: in women's sports.
• 22:06
  Speaker 3: So.
• 22:08
  Speaker 2: the trick is getting the right capital partner, right? So,
• 22:11
  Speaker 2: and there's enormous amount of capital out there, private equity
• 22:13
  Speaker 2: capital and that sort of thing. But you want to
• 22:15
  Speaker 2: make sure that if you do, if you do form
• 22:17
  Speaker 2: that relationship with somebody who owns your league or who
• 22:21
  Speaker 2: has equity in your league, that it's someone who is
• 22:23
  Speaker 2: committed to the growth of the game as a whole,
• 22:24
  Speaker 2: not someone who wants to come in, follow things out
• 22:27
  Speaker 2: and sell it for a profit. So you sort of
• 22:29
  Speaker 2: need patient capital to be able to do that. So
• 22:32
  Speaker 2: I'm really interested and well done to yeah, to Ali
• 22:36
  Speaker 2: and Anna for stepping in and taking the risk. But
• 22:40
  Speaker 2: I think there'll be enormous rewards for them into the future.
• 22:42
  Speaker 1: And clearly, you know, and this is what these investors
• 22:46
  Speaker 1: don't do this stuff as a charitable act. They do
• 22:49
  Speaker 1: it because they go, I can see the future in this. Now, obviously,
• 22:52
  Speaker 1: there's sometimes your heart goes behind that, but you're not
• 22:55
  Speaker 1: going to be throwing away a large amount of money
• 22:57
  Speaker 1: on something that you think I'm just doing this out
• 23:00
  Speaker 1: of the goodness of my heart it's not a charity
• 23:02
  Speaker 1: it's an investment and this is what I think is
• 23:04
  Speaker 1: quite exciting is that we're more and more so you
• 23:06
  Speaker 1: know SEN is clearly seeing that there is an a
• 23:10
  Speaker 1: return on their investment in women's sport and we're starting
• 23:15
  Speaker 1: to see bigger sponsorships overseas you know front of jersey
• 23:18
  Speaker 1: sponsorships I think that Gillian Anderson uh Scully from the
• 23:24
  Speaker 1: X-Files has put a significant amount of her own capital
• 23:31
  Speaker 1: behind women's sport. It will come with time. Men's sport
• 23:37
  Speaker 1: has had the money for a very long time. That's
• 23:40
  Speaker 1: why they get all the bums on the seats because
• 23:43
  Speaker 1: they've had all the money for a long time and
• 23:44
  Speaker 1: have the big stadiums and whatever. But that is coming
• 23:48
  Speaker 1: for us and it will come because the future is
• 23:53
  Speaker 1: so clear to people who have the smarts to know
• 23:57
  Speaker 1: how to invest.
• 23:58
  Speaker 3: I think too, it's easy to look across the ditch
• 24:00
  Speaker 3: and think New Zealand netball is in turmoil. But underneath
• 24:04
  Speaker 3: all of that, they're still the largest participation sport for
• 24:07
  Speaker 3: women in the country. They're only second to soccer in
• 24:09
  Speaker 3: overall participation and Kiwis love it. I was over there
• 24:14
  Speaker 3: in the middle of the World Cup. It was before
• 24:16
  Speaker 3: they got into finals and all the excitement happened. All
• 24:19
  Speaker 3: people wanted to talk about was the Silver Ferns. They
• 24:22
  Speaker 3: were obsessed in their progress through the World Cup. They
• 24:25
  Speaker 3: were so excited that Noelene was back. They were so
• 24:27
  Speaker 3: excited that New Zealand was there. They love the Silver Ferns.
• 24:31
  Speaker 1: That's great.
• 24:31
  Speaker 3: Yeah. They love their sport and they'll find their investors.
• 24:35
  Speaker 1: Well, I tell you what too, things are looking good
• 24:38
  Speaker 1: for them a month from today with the Constellation Cup.
• 24:40
  Speaker 1: I think it's going to be incredibly exciting. I'm going
• 24:44
  Speaker 1: to give you the code in the moment to get
• 24:46
  Speaker 1: discounted tickets, but let me tell you some stuff about
• 24:48
  Speaker 1: the Constellation Cup that they are playing for, the trophy
• 24:52
  Speaker 1: that they are playing for. New Zealand was the last
• 24:54
  Speaker 1: country in the world to adopt the name netball. They
• 24:56
  Speaker 1: were calling it women's basketball up until 1970, which is
• 25:00
  Speaker 1: what my mother played. So when I was playing netball
• 25:02
  Speaker 1: as a kid and she kept calling it basketball and
• 25:04
  Speaker 1: I thought, You're just an idiot. That was disrespectful of me, Mum.
• 25:09
  Speaker 1: I apologise for that. But the Constellation Cup is three
• 25:13
  Speaker 1: kilograms of sterling silver encrusted with 101 diamonds and its
• 25:20
  Speaker 1: base is made... Now, I need to investigate this because
• 25:23
  Speaker 1: this bothered me a little bit. It's the base that
• 25:25
  Speaker 1: it sits on is made out of 5,000-year-old ancient Murray
• 25:29
  Speaker 1: River red gum. Now, I don't think... that Netball Australia
• 25:34
  Speaker 1: and Netball New Zealand took a chainsaw. into a forest
• 25:38
  Speaker 1: and cut down a 5,000-year-old tree.
• 25:40
  Speaker 2: I think you are correct.
• 25:42
  Speaker 1: But I can't, I don't quite know what that means.
• 25:45
  Speaker 1: But the box, the case that it travels in, like
• 25:47
  Speaker 1: so it was an Australian designer who did this and
• 25:50
  Speaker 1: then the box that it travels in was made by
• 25:52
  Speaker 1: a New Zealand craftsperson out of New Zealand black miry wood.
• 25:56
  Speaker 1: So it very much represents the two countries and the
• 26:01
  Speaker 1: closeness that we have and it's been designed specifically so
• 26:06
  Speaker 1: beautifully and so deliberately with that mutual respect and, you know,
• 26:12
  Speaker 1: honouring different cultures together. So that's what they're playing for.
• 26:15
  Speaker 1: It's certainly worth playing for. We started playing for the
• 26:18
  Speaker 1: Constellation Cup in 2010. New Zealand has won it three times.
• 26:23
  Speaker 1: Australia has won it 12 times. There's one year in
• 26:26
  Speaker 1: that that it wasn't played because of a little thing
• 26:28
  Speaker 1: you might have heard of named COVID-19. But that'll be...
• 26:33
  Speaker 1: interesting four games anyone care to make any predictions about
• 26:38
  Speaker 1: what we're going to see who will lift the cup
• 26:40
  Speaker 1: who how many games they will have won before lifting
• 26:44
  Speaker 1: the cup.
• 26:46
  Speaker 3: Um you're the coach no i think it's going to
• 26:50
  Speaker 3: be really interesting are we going to use this opportunity
• 26:52
  Speaker 3: to blood new players or is it merely a run
• 26:55
  Speaker 3: into the world cup um i think the approach that
• 26:57
  Speaker 3: australia takes to it will be very interesting i think
• 27:00
  Speaker 3: new zealand will keep building on what they achieved at
• 27:02
  Speaker 3: the com games because They did win it, but they
• 27:05
  Speaker 3: didn't play us. So it's all going to be very interesting,
• 27:07
  Speaker 3: I think.
• 27:08
  Speaker 1: What would you do if you were Stacey Marinkovic?
• 27:11
  Speaker 3: I think I'd want to know, like, I think there
• 27:14
  Speaker 3: might be a couple of areas where we're not as
• 27:16
  Speaker 3: strong as we used to be. And maybe I'd like
• 27:18
  Speaker 3: to know what changes I might be able to make there.
• 27:21
  Speaker 3: But then again, it's a marquee event. It's something that
• 27:23
  Speaker 3: she's got to win. So she's going to go with
• 27:25
  Speaker 3: her best. But I think we kind of need to
• 27:28
  Speaker 3: know who's next in a couple of positions.
• 27:30
  Speaker 2: It'll be interesting. This is the first time in, obviously
• 27:36
  Speaker 2: the first time in memory that I can, well, it
• 27:38
  Speaker 2: must've happened a few years ago, but Australia playing New
• 27:41
  Speaker 2: Zealand after not playing each other in the major tournament
• 27:45
  Speaker 2: just before. So it's a really weird. It's a weird thing,
• 27:48
  Speaker 2: isn't it?
• 27:49
  Speaker 3: Very much so.
• 27:50
  Speaker 1: I'm going to tip the diamonds. That Comm Games team,
• 27:51
  Speaker 1: you're tipping the diamonds.
• 27:52
  Speaker 2: I'm tipping the diamonds.
• 27:54
  Speaker 1: I'm surprised.
• 27:54
  Speaker 3: I'm tipping the diamonds. I just think our approach will
• 27:56
  Speaker 3: be different.
• 27:57
  Speaker 1: Oh, you're tipping the diamonds too? Definitely. Okay. But that team,
• 28:00
  Speaker 1: that Australian, the Diamonds Commonwealth game team, they will have
• 28:05
  Speaker 1: fire in their belly, won't they? They will come out
• 28:09
  Speaker 1: like I think we've never seen them before because they
• 28:12
  Speaker 1: want to silence critics and I guess to... All of
• 28:15
  Speaker 1: them want to very clearly make their case to stay
• 28:19
  Speaker 1: in the Diamonds for the World Cup next year. But, yes,
• 28:24
  Speaker 1: very exciting. Okay, I did say there was a code
• 28:27
  Speaker 1: for some discount tickets. I'm also tipping the Diamonds, by
• 28:30
  Speaker 1: the way, but I reckon we're going to go into
• 28:32
  Speaker 1: double overtime again in Melbourne.
• 28:35
  Speaker 3: Liz, will this be their last international hit out? I'm
• 28:38
  Speaker 3: not up to date with that. Have they got anything
• 28:40
  Speaker 3: after Constellation Cup between then and World Cup?
• 28:42
  Speaker 1: Excellent question.
• 28:44
  Speaker 2: Yeah, look, there's nothing planned as yet. So I would,
• 28:47
  Speaker 2: I'd be very confident to say that this is probably
• 28:49
  Speaker 2: their last hit out before they, before the World Cup, right,
• 28:54
  Speaker 2: as a team.
• 28:55
  Speaker 1: You coached a world team once against.
• 28:59
  Speaker 3: One of the best things I've ever done in football.
• 29:01
  Speaker 3: World seven.
• 29:02
  Speaker 1: And how, who put that together and how did you
• 29:06
  Speaker 1: get that job and how did you go about selection processes?
• 29:10
  Speaker 3: I've no idea how I got the job.
• 29:12
  Speaker 1: Great.
• 29:13
  Speaker 3: But. It was a joint venture between Australia and New Zealand.
• 29:16
  Speaker 3: I got to coach the World Seven when they played
• 29:18
  Speaker 3: against New Zealand and I forget who it is now,
• 29:21
  Speaker 3: got to coach the World Seven when they played Australia. Right.
• 29:25
  Speaker 3: But it was a great concept and bringing those people
• 29:28
  Speaker 3: together in a short space of time and all the
• 29:30
  Speaker 3: different cultures and the different attitudes and the different people,
• 29:33
  Speaker 3: it was one of the best things I've ever done.
• 29:34
  Speaker 3: And we won, so I always like winning.
• 29:36
  Speaker 1: Yay. And how many Australians were in the World Seven?
• 29:38
  Speaker 3: Oh. gosh, you're testing my memory now. It was about 2007,
• 29:42
  Speaker 3: I think. There was Peter Schultz.
• 29:47
  Speaker 1: Was it about half, though? Was it about half the team?
• 29:49
  Speaker 3: No, there were more internationals than Australians.
• 29:51
  Speaker 1: Oh, wow, great.
• 29:52
  Speaker 3: But it tended to be the internationals who were around
• 29:54
  Speaker 3: Australia at the time.
• 29:55
  Speaker 1: Yeah, okay.
• 29:56
  Speaker 3: They didn't bring too many people in.
• 29:57
  Speaker 1: I would love to see that. I would love to
• 30:00
  Speaker 1: see the Diamonds play the best rest of the world,
• 30:02
  Speaker 1: you know.
• 30:03
  Speaker 2: And it wasn't really the best of the world.
• 30:06
  Speaker 3: You didn't play mine.
• 30:07
  Speaker 2: No, but I remember playing in New Zealand, but I
• 30:13
  Speaker 2: feel like it was well before then.
• 30:15
  Speaker 3: Yeah, I think there was one quite a while ago.
• 30:17
  Speaker 2: Yeah.
• 30:18
  Speaker 3: It was the year that you retired, so.
• 30:22
  Speaker 2: You were still celebrating your great career. I was trying
• 30:26
  Speaker 2: to get my feet back to normal because my feet
• 30:28
  Speaker 2: were smashed after that, after the World Cup. It's a
• 30:33
  Speaker 2: great concept, isn't it? One of the things that we
• 30:35
  Speaker 2: thought about actually was that when we played the Silver Ferns,
• 30:39
  Speaker 2: they counted it as a test cut for New Zealand.
• 30:42
  Speaker 2: but none of us got to count as test caps
• 30:44
  Speaker 2: because what do you do? Like you're not adding it
• 30:45
  Speaker 2: to your diamonds test caps or your Jamaican or whatever
• 30:48
  Speaker 2: or your English.
• 30:50
  Speaker 3: But the other thing I love is Marg Angove and
• 30:52
  Speaker 3: I got to coach Australia Ray against Australia.
• 30:55
  Speaker 1: Yeah.
• 30:56
  Speaker 3: And we had big crowds and exciting matches. Oh, that
• 30:59
  Speaker 3: would be great. And I've often thought that's something that
• 31:01
  Speaker 3: we could take to smaller country venues and it would
• 31:04
  Speaker 3: probably pay for itself in the long run. Yeah. And
• 31:06
  Speaker 3: would be a great thing for our development because the
• 31:08
  Speaker 3: Australia Ray has virtually died. And I reckon that'd be
• 31:12
  Speaker 3: a great concept to bring back.
• 31:14
  Speaker 2: I reckon the Australians started to die after that. Remember
• 31:16
  Speaker 2: one year before a World Cup, they beat us 3-0?
• 31:18
  Speaker 2: Do you remember that?
• 31:21
  Speaker 3: I didn't want to say but that was actually the
• 31:23
  Speaker 3: year that Marg and I coached.
• 31:25
  Speaker 2: Oh, there you go. Yes, you beat us 3-0. You
• 31:27
  Speaker 2: had some great players. You had like Liz Boniello and
• 31:29
  Speaker 2: people like that in the team. They were fantastic. We
• 31:31
  Speaker 2: went to the World Cup and we were like, oh,
• 31:33
  Speaker 2: my God, we can't even win.
• 31:34
  Speaker 3: But Australia can put 20 to 24 players out there
• 31:37
  Speaker 3: that could go head to head and be exciting. People
• 31:39
  Speaker 3: would love to see it. It would probably pay for
• 31:42
  Speaker 3: itself and you can't afford anything between now and the
• 31:45
  Speaker 3: World Cup.
• 31:46
  Speaker 2: No, that's right. It was a totally different mindset because
• 31:48
  Speaker 2: it wasn't that far from the World Cup for us.
• 31:51
  Speaker 2: It was before the 1999 World Cup because we then
• 31:53
  Speaker 2: went on to win it and it was probably one
• 31:55
  Speaker 2: of the best things that happened. But you're trying to
• 31:57
  Speaker 2: sort of nurse your way through to the World Cup,
• 31:59
  Speaker 2: but the Australia team come out, they don't care. They've
• 32:02
  Speaker 2: got nothing to lose.
• 32:02
  Speaker 3: There's no pressure on them.
• 32:03
  Speaker 2: They played beautifully.
• 32:04
  Speaker 1: Yeah, I'd love to see that, but imagine... Imagine if
• 32:09
  Speaker 1: you went down in that game, though, and then you
• 32:12
  Speaker 1: weren't able to play a World Cup.
• 32:14
  Speaker 3: But we beat them three times and they've never done
• 32:16
  Speaker 3: it again.
• 32:16
  Speaker 1: Yeah, well. I'm sore loose. Do we know, Liz, anything more?
• 32:23
  Speaker 1: You know, there was talk about the World Cup being
• 32:24
  Speaker 1: an every two years type thing. Is there any further
• 32:27
  Speaker 1: talk on that or is that a?
• 32:29
  Speaker 2: It's still rolling along at World Netball. So a decision
• 32:33
  Speaker 2: hasn't been made yet. Okay.
• 32:35
  Speaker 1: Well, look, all about New Zealand today. Great chat. What
• 32:39
  Speaker 1: I haven't done, though, is give you the code. So, Dribblers,
• 32:42
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• 33:01
  Speaker 3: Oh. How good. That's fabulous.
• 33:04
  Speaker 1: Yeah, it's really good. So thank you to Netball Australia
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• 33:24
  Speaker 1: We're going to have a little break and come back
• 33:27
  Speaker 1: and a couple of little things to talk about. But, Liz,
• 33:29
  Speaker 1: you've also got a recommendation for us.
• 33:31
  Speaker 3: I do.
• 33:44
  Speaker 1: Okay, so I need to give a no dribble shout
• 33:48
  Speaker 1: out to our dear friend, Daryl Milton, who has been
• 33:50
  Speaker 1: working very hard for dribblers and netball fans generally. So
• 33:55
  Speaker 1: he did a great video, if you haven't seen it,
• 33:57
  Speaker 1: he's posted it in the No Dribble Facebook group, but
• 34:00
  Speaker 1: also in other netball groups about, you know, there's been
• 34:03
  Speaker 1: a lot of talk about the Sydney Sirens and whether
• 34:05
  Speaker 1: it's appropriate for there to be two clubs with the
• 34:07
  Speaker 1: same name. Daryl went down to the Sutherland Shire, which
• 34:11
  Speaker 1: if you don't know, is south of Sydney. You've probably
• 34:14
  Speaker 1: heard of Cronulla for all the wrong reasons, which may
• 34:16
  Speaker 1: actually be his line that I've stolen. I'm not sure, Daryl.
• 34:19
  Speaker 1: I do apologize. But there are 14 clubs down there
• 34:23
  Speaker 1: from different sports who have the name Sharks. Sutherland Sharks
• 34:28
  Speaker 1: or Cronulla Sharks. So the Cronulla Sharks are obviously the
• 34:31
  Speaker 1: National Rugby League team playing there at that NRL level.
• 34:36
  Speaker 1: But the name Sharks has been used in the Sutherland
• 34:39
  Speaker 1: Shire 14 times by a range of different sports and
• 34:45
  Speaker 1: everything's okay. Everything's okay. And he did point out that
• 34:50
  Speaker 1: there's probably not. We love a Venn diagram at No Dribble.
• 34:53
  Speaker 1: We love a Venn diagram. And he said, but if
• 34:55
  Speaker 1: you look at the Venn diagram between the ice hockey
• 34:58
  Speaker 1: fans and the netball fans, it's probably not a huge
• 35:01
  Speaker 1: number of people who are going to be looking for
• 35:04
  Speaker 1: the Sydney Sirens not knowing exactly which sport they're going
• 35:08
  Speaker 1: to get. Their seasons don't run at the same time
• 35:11
  Speaker 1: and they don't compete in the same league. arenas so
• 35:17
  Speaker 1: we're not seeing a whole lot of ice out at
• 35:19
  Speaker 1: Rod Laver Arena we did see a lot of rain
• 35:22
  Speaker 1: last year but that was okay and we're not seeing
• 35:25
  Speaker 1: many netballers out on ice skates there so so I
• 35:29
  Speaker 1: thought that was great but he has also set up
• 35:31
  Speaker 1: if you're a netball numbers person if you like to
• 35:34
  Speaker 1: know the pointy headed stuff that we really don't talk
• 35:36
  Speaker 1: about here because we're too busy just talking nonsense about
• 35:41
  Speaker 1: you know where you can fall asleep in public and
• 35:43
  Speaker 1: the like um he has n x n capital n
• 35:46
  Speaker 1: little x capital n n is for netball uh so
• 35:50
  Speaker 1: it's netball by numbers so get around that if you
• 35:53
  Speaker 1: like to talk about stats and he said it's the
• 35:56
  Speaker 1: numbers you might not hear from kath when she's doing
• 35:58
  Speaker 1: commentary so i don't know quite what that is but
• 36:01
  Speaker 1: i think that we should all uh all get around
• 36:03
  Speaker 1: it so thank you daryl.
• 36:05
  Speaker 2: Right well done daryl i might have a sneaky little
• 36:08
  Speaker 2: look Yeah. Under not my name.
• 36:10
  Speaker 3: Yeah.
• 36:11
  Speaker 1: And then use some of the things that you find
• 36:14
  Speaker 1: and pass it off as your own work.
• 36:15
  Speaker 2: Pretend it's me.
• 36:16
  Speaker 1: That's a great idea.
• 36:17
  Speaker 2: Daryl will never know. Okay.
• 36:18
  Speaker 3: So.
• 36:19
  Speaker 2: I have a no dribble recommends.
• 36:21
  Speaker 1: Excellent.
• 36:21
  Speaker 2: Carolyn, I see other authors other than you. I have
• 36:24
  Speaker 2: to make a confession.
• 36:25
  Speaker 1: I'm surprised, though, that you're going to recommend a book
• 36:28
  Speaker 1: when Catherine's not here because you know how.
• 36:32
  Speaker 2: I suspect she'd like this book. So one of my
• 36:34
  Speaker 2: friends is very, very, I mean, I love, obviously, I
• 36:37
  Speaker 2: love the fact that I know not, I know, well,
• 36:40
  Speaker 2: not one, not two, but three authors. And Carolyn, you're
• 36:42
  Speaker 2: one of them.
• 36:43
  Speaker 3: And you are one.
• 36:44
  Speaker 2: Oh, this is true. I'm not clever like you guys are.
• 36:46
  Speaker 2: I couldn't construct a novel. One of my girlfriends, Nye Brown,
• 36:51
  Speaker 2: has written a book called The Cruise. So she wrote,
• 36:54
  Speaker 2: it's fascinating, right? So she wrote, her first novel was
• 36:56
  Speaker 2: called The Shot and she has spent a lot of
• 36:59
  Speaker 2: time working in reality television and The Shot is about
• 37:03
  Speaker 2: a reality television show where you get a shot to
• 37:05
  Speaker 2: change your life and The Cruise is a reality TV show,
• 37:10
  Speaker 2: funnily enough, set on a cruise ship and I won't
• 37:13
  Speaker 2: give much away other than Nye, she won't mind me
• 37:17
  Speaker 2: saying this, has no idea about sports ball and she
• 37:20
  Speaker 2: calls all sports sports ball. So I talk about netball
• 37:22
  Speaker 2: and her eyes glaze over, yet we are still friends.
• 37:25
  Speaker 2: But we had this long conversation about this book because
• 37:29
  Speaker 2: in here it's called The Squad Doesn't Forget and she's
• 37:31
  Speaker 2: got a group of women around her called The Squad.
• 37:33
  Speaker 2: And I won't give away too much, but it's a
• 37:34
  Speaker 2: bit of a revenge book. sort of fantasy book and
• 37:38
  Speaker 2: the tagline is mess with one face them all which
• 37:40
  Speaker 2: I quite like because as if that's not your netball
• 37:43
  Speaker 2: team right yeah so and we even had a text
• 37:46
  Speaker 2: exchange after I'd read the book and she's just got
• 37:48
  Speaker 2: some there's some really great lines in it and um
• 37:51
  Speaker 2: and at the end she has acknowledgements and there's a
• 37:53
  Speaker 2: couple of our friends who she mentions which made me
• 37:55
  Speaker 2: very happy and excited so But she was talking about how,
• 37:59
  Speaker 2: like when you play team sport, women's sport, you know,
• 38:02
  Speaker 2: your team are your squad. And, you know, the little
• 38:05
  Speaker 2: group that I coach, they've all gone to different high schools,
• 38:07
  Speaker 2: but I want them to continue to be each other's squad.
• 38:09
  Speaker 2: And this is a great book to sort of, you know,
• 38:12
  Speaker 2: a bit of a revenge fantasy with your squad. So,
• 38:15
  Speaker 2: If you can get it, it's just out, actually. I
• 38:17
  Speaker 2: think she's doing all the publicity at the moment. So
• 38:19
  Speaker 2: Nye Brown, and she spells her name N-A-I with a little,
• 38:23
  Speaker 2: is that an umlaut, the little double dots on top?
• 38:25
  Speaker 1: I think it's an umlaut, yeah.
• 38:26
  Speaker 2: Umlaut, yeah. M-A, Brown. So go and get it. It's
• 38:30
  Speaker 2: a top book. I read it in two days.
• 38:32
  Speaker 1: I'm going to read it and report back. I suspect
• 38:34
  Speaker 1: I'll enjoy it more than Down a Rabbit Hole, whatever
• 38:40
  Speaker 1: her name was, Holly Madison from the Playboy Mansion.
• 38:45
  Speaker 2: You know, well, if you're reading books that Cath Cox recommends,
• 38:48
  Speaker 2: it's your fault.
• 38:49
  Speaker 1: But I love this because I now get to give
• 38:51
  Speaker 1: you another quote from Rory Gilmore. I live in two worlds.
• 38:56
  Speaker 1: One is a world of books. And it's not often
• 38:59
  Speaker 1: that we can just have like a book takeover of
• 39:01
  Speaker 1: No Dribble, but good job.
• 39:04
  Speaker 3: Yes.
• 39:05
  Speaker 2: Thank you.
• 39:05
  Speaker 3: Yes.
• 39:06
  Speaker 1: Read more.
• 39:07
  Speaker 2: Read more. And particularly, you know, the people who wrote it,
• 39:10
  Speaker 2: you can sort of like, when I read your books, Carolyn,
• 39:11
  Speaker 2: I hear your voice. When I read Nye's book, I
• 39:14
  Speaker 2: hear her voice. None of my friends, Annika Johnson writes
• 39:17
  Speaker 2: books that I hear her voice. Like, it's funny, isn't it?
• 39:19
  Speaker 2: When you, even if it's not Like the narrator's voice,
• 39:23
  Speaker 2: you still hear their voice.
• 39:25
  Speaker 1: I have just finished a book by a dribbler by
• 39:29
  Speaker 1: the name of... Nicola Garvey and her book is called,
• 39:33
  Speaker 1: I think it's called Beating the Odds. It's about SP
• 39:35
  Speaker 1: bookmakers in Victoria in the 80s and the 90s. And
• 39:40
  Speaker 1: so interesting because at that time the TAB was just
• 39:44
  Speaker 1: starting to regulate on-track booking, on-track bedding and the like.
• 39:50
  Speaker 1: And just really interesting, we've talked about this before, that
• 39:53
  Speaker 1: one of the reasons that men's sport is so big
• 39:55
  Speaker 1: is because it's had a lot more support. The reason
• 39:58
  Speaker 1: it's had a lot more support is because it's been
• 40:01
  Speaker 1: blokes in charge of the money. And they go, well,
• 40:03
  Speaker 1: I love this sport. And there's a really interesting story
• 40:06
  Speaker 1: in there about these bookmakers who were trying to set
• 40:11
  Speaker 1: up gambling in Vanuatu. and hit a couple of roadblocks.
• 40:16
  Speaker 1: And so they contacted a mate they knew from the
• 40:18
  Speaker 1: VFL club that they supported, and that mate happened to
• 40:21
  Speaker 1: be Bob Hawke, who had at that stage, he was
• 40:24
  Speaker 1: an ex-Prime Minister of Australia, but he was able to
• 40:27
  Speaker 1: pick up the phone and grease the wheels a little bit.
• 40:30
  Speaker 1: Not saying he did anything appropriate, but this is why
• 40:34
  Speaker 1: men's sport is disproportionately so much bigger than women's sport,
• 40:37
  Speaker 1: because men have been in charge of everything for so
• 40:40
  Speaker 1: long that we've had, you know, the last hundred years
• 40:45
  Speaker 1: of this kind of, oh, well, I see the value
• 40:47
  Speaker 1: of footy, so of course I'll make a call or
• 40:50
  Speaker 1: of course I'll fund that. And whereas women are sort
• 40:52
  Speaker 1: of standing on the outside saying, hey, look at this
• 40:55
  Speaker 1: thing over here that we have created that is so positive.
• 40:58
  Speaker 1: And there's just, there hasn't been that understanding. So it's
• 41:01
  Speaker 1: why it's so critical that we have equality in parliament
• 41:05
  Speaker 1: is because we have diversity of views and, you know,
• 41:08
  Speaker 1: it's just a really interesting book that I highly recommend.
• 41:13
  Speaker 2: What's it called again?
• 41:14
  Speaker 1: Beating the Odds, I believe it's called. And now I've
• 41:17
  Speaker 1: come unprepared. But, yeah, it was really interesting. I didn't
• 41:21
  Speaker 1: expect to be as interested as I was. But if
• 41:26
  Speaker 1: you like the writings of, like, Peter Fitzsimons, it's very interesting.
• 41:31
  Speaker 1: Very similar to that type of style. So it's accessible
• 41:36
  Speaker 1: history written in a very sort of conversational way and
• 41:40
  Speaker 1: the characters are really brought back to life. So, yes,
• 41:42
  Speaker 1: called Beating the Odds, Alan Tripp's rise from illegal SP
• 41:46
  Speaker 1: bookmaker to gambling kingpin. But it came out more than
• 41:51
  Speaker 1: ten years ago but well worth reading.
• 41:53
  Speaker 3: I would be interested in that.
• 41:55
  Speaker 1: I hope you've enjoyed our book podcast for today.
• 41:58
  Speaker 2: Oh, my God. It's all right. It'll all go back
• 42:01
  Speaker 2: to normal next week when Coxie's back.
• 42:03
  Speaker 1: It will indeed.
• 42:04
  Speaker 2: Are you a reader, Jules?
• 42:05
  Speaker 3: I am trying to make myself read more to stop
• 42:08
  Speaker 3: myself scrolling. So I think it's much more beneficial if
• 42:12
  Speaker 3: I can get back into reading a book than scrolling
• 42:14
  Speaker 3: all day.
• 42:15
  Speaker 1: So I wouldn't recommend the Down the Rabbit Hole. I
• 42:19
  Speaker 1: said I did sort of I was surprised by it.
• 42:21
  Speaker 1: I enjoyed the first half of it more than I
• 42:23
  Speaker 1: expected to.
• 42:24
  Speaker 3: But.
• 42:25
  Speaker 1: We have endless book recommendations for you if you would like.
• 42:29
  Speaker 1: What are you favouring at the moment?
• 42:31
  Speaker 3: I really like biographies and autobiographies. I'm not a great
• 42:34
  Speaker 3: lover of fiction. I don't know why I want to
• 42:36
  Speaker 3: spend days reading about something that never happened anyway, but
• 42:40
  Speaker 3: I do like autobiographies.
• 42:42
  Speaker 2: Oh, Jules, you're so matter-of-fact.
• 42:44
  Speaker 1: Well, Rachel Eyre, a former international netball umpire, also endorsed
• 42:50
  Speaker 1: the Andre Agassi biography that Catherine had. I have read that.
• 42:53
  Speaker 3: That was fascinating.
• 42:54
  Speaker 1: Okay, all right. That was very good. I'm out.
• 42:57
  Speaker 3: Yeah, I like those sort of books.
• 43:00
  Speaker 1: Well, thank you so much for joining us. It's been
• 43:02
  Speaker 1: so fabulous to have you here for these couple of episodes.
• 43:07
  Speaker 1: I mean, you're not a Hall of Famer, but Jeepers,
• 43:10
  Speaker 1: you've got some other stuff that you've got. You've got
• 43:13
  Speaker 1: some amazing netball cred. You've set some records, over 400
• 43:17
  Speaker 1: games coached at a national level. We may never see
• 43:22
  Speaker 1: that record beaten. Yeah. Catherine used to be a record holder.
• 43:26
  Speaker 1: She's currently no longer a record holder because of Mildred
• 43:29
  Speaker 1: Aiken George. Liz is still a record holder, but we
• 43:32
  Speaker 1: don't know how long that's going to hang on for.
• 43:34
  Speaker 1: But yours, I reckon, is going to be a really
• 43:36
  Speaker 1: hard one to beat. But we have been so fortunate
• 43:39
  Speaker 1: to have you here this week and also it's been
• 43:42
  Speaker 1: super fun. Thank you very much.
• 43:44
  Speaker 3: Really enjoyed it. Thank you.
• 43:45
  Speaker 2: Thanks, Jules.
• 43:47
  Speaker 1: But, yeah, that's all we've got time for at No
• 43:49
  Speaker 1: Dribble this week. Don't forget, get your Constellation Cup tickets.
• 43:52
  Speaker 1: Get your tickets to our Constellation Cup Eve event. Go
• 43:55
  Speaker 1: to nodribble.com.au for that link to tickets there. We are
• 44:00
  Speaker 1: more than 60% sold in our tickets there. So jump
• 44:04
  Speaker 1: on board. Use your discount. The money that you're saving
• 44:07
  Speaker 1: on your Con Cup tickets, come and see us and
• 44:09
  Speaker 1: have a good time the night before. As we said,
• 44:11
  Speaker 1: we've got some great guests. But my name's Carolyn Swindell.
• 44:15
  Speaker 2: I'm Liz Ellis.
• 44:16
  Speaker 3: Julie Fitzgerald.
• 44:17
  Speaker 1: That's been Julie Fitzgerald. Have a great week, Dribblers. Bye. Bye.
• 44:21
  Speaker 3: See you.
• 44:24
  Speaker 1: What is the cheekiest thing that Catherine Cox ever did?
• 44:29
  Speaker 3: Not the cheekiest thing she ever did, but when I
• 44:32
  Speaker 3: was coaching Catherine and she was one of the world's
• 44:34
  Speaker 3: best shooters, a little kid came up to me one
• 44:36
  Speaker 3: day and said, Mrs Fitzgerald, and I said, yes. Can
• 44:40
  Speaker 3: I ask a question?
• 44:41
  Speaker 2: Yes.
• 44:42
  Speaker 3: Why don't you let Catherine Cox rebound?
• 44:47
  Speaker 1: Oh, no.
• 44:52
  Speaker 2: That kid obviously hadn't sat on the sideline with you going.
• 44:55
  Speaker 3: Rebound, rebound, rebound.
• 44:57
  Speaker 1: That's all you need to do as the coach, isn't it,
• 45:01
  Speaker 1: just shout rebound?
• 45:03
  Speaker 2: Oh, my goodness, yes. Poor Jules, you put up with
• 45:06
  Speaker 2: so much from us. I can't believe you still talk
• 45:09
  Speaker 2: to us.