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Ep. 113. More Thunderbolts* Talk with Amy Piero! · Vigilante Vibes Podcast

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Hello to all the comic fans, Marvel geeks, and all the nerds
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in between. Welcome to another episode of
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the Vigilante Vibes podcast where we talk all things Marvel
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along with other fandoms, but without the toxicity that's
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taken up way too much space in each and every fandom.
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I'm your host, Megan Nicole, and today I have a very special
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return guest with me today. You may remember her as the
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screenwriter that came on a few months ago, but today it is
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going to be all about Thunderbolts.
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So thank you Amy for joining me so we can talk all about the new
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movie. Of course, I'm so excited to be
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here. Great, So what?
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I don't even know where to dive in for the movie.
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Where do you go? Well, I've got 3 pages of notes
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here 3. Pages. 3 pages.
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I watched it three times. So you know, we have like 3
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pages. I did sort it by character arcs
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is the first thing we've got. So let's talk about Bob.
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So I don't know if you've seen The Crowded Room with Tom
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Holland at all, but whoa, like the vibes were like the same.
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Bob and I, I don't remember his character's name, but whoever
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Tom Holland played, it was so eerily similar.
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I was like, OK, and then what else?
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So you probably know way more about like Sentry and his powers
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than I do. But as someone who hasn't really
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read Sentry comics, I was just like, OK, his powers seem like
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heat based because he's like melting gun barrels and then
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boiling water and he runs hot in the elevator shaft.
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So like you enlighten us a little bit on what's going on
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there. So Century is basically Marvel's
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Superman. There's really not much he can't
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do. He has superhuman strength, he
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has energy manipulation, flights and vulnerability.
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It's a lot. It's not really heat based.
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That was something new. I was a little confused because
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all the comics I've read, they've never met, mentioned
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Heat. OK.
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So I was like, OK, I guess that's what we're doing today.
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It's different. OK, OK, well I was like, I was
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trying to figure out, OK, what's something in the MCU that we've
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seen that could be like a heat based thing?
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And it's like, oh, maybe Extremis.
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So I'm like, I think it was Iron Man 3.
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And so like, maybe they could have gotten a hold of that.
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Like, however they made that and all that.
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I don't know. I don't know.
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It'd be interesting to see, like, how he got his powers
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exactly. And yeah.
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It I think they didn't show it because in the comics there's a
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few different versions of how they did it and they kind of
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meshed it all into one and one version.
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He like he was in this movie, he was a meth addict that broke
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into a security lab just to get a hit, science lab just so he
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could get high off something. But then there was he signed up
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for the Century project to get, you know, so they do trials on
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him and all that. So they kind of meshed it
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together, made him, you know, a meth head and someone who was
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going in to just improve themselves as a person, I guess.
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So I liked how they did it, but I think that's why they didn't
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show it. So I kind of like the mystery
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they involved with it. Yeah, yeah, definitely.
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I don't think every single character needs like 10 pages of
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exposition. You know, I, and I really liked
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how they did it this time. Like they kind of just threw you
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right into Yelena, like diving off the roof.
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I I loved that. It was such a big deal too, that
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she like went to Kevin Feige and said, I want to jump off the
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second building, biggest building in the world.
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And he is like, Oh my goodness. Now he's like, hey, no, we have
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insurance on you as a person. And she's like, no, I'm going to
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do it. And then she just did it.
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And it was such a big thing. It was like, she's so badass,
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She's so cool. And it was all just for the
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opener for that one scene. She really, I think she's just
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an adrenaline junkie and saw her chance.
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Absolutely, yeah. I mean, I would have a hard time
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passing that up. I.
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Wouldn't my mind but. I would not have a hard time
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like no. It'd be fun.
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I don't know. I'd do it once, but I don't know
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about 9 times. I think 9 times.
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Did she? It wasn't just once.
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Well, yeah, they had to do multiple tapes and whatever it
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was like, well, I don't know. Oh.
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My God, I it would depend on where I'm at in life.
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Like if I am like very content, I am good.
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No, if I'm like like, you know, I need something.
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I just need something to like jolt to change something in my
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life, then I think I would do it.
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Like I want to go bungee jumping or skydiving.
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I want to do that, but straight jumping off the tallest
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building, it's different because you can see at the bottom.
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I can't. I cannot.
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Yeah. Pretty high stakes, pretty high
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stakes. Pretty high stakes, yeah.
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Movie riding on her and she's like, I just want to do it.
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Yeah, go for it, Queen. Oh my goodness.
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Kevin Feige must have had an aneurysm.
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Poor guys probably having aneurysms all the time anyway
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just based on things I've read and whatever, but.
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I've read the same, yeah. Yes.
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Anyway, OK, what else do I have? The way he was playing with the
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Rubik's Cube during the attic scene, like he was still trying
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to solve it before he, like, started breaking down when you,
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Elena, like, grabbed his arm. And I'm like, Oh my goodness,
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'cause like, you don't necessarily right away just be
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like, yeah, I mean, this, this happens, it's fine.
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And and then, you know, whatever.
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But I don't know what I'm trying to say.
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Well, it's interesting stuff. Out to me.
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He's playing with the Rubik's Cube because that's usually like
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in movies, that's usually a sign of like, oh, this person's a
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genius 'cause they can do a Rubik's Cube.
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I can't do a Rubik's Cube. So apparently I'm a moron.
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Either so. Apparently we suck.
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But it's interesting because in the because in the comics, in
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the different iterations of his origin, 1 is where he's just
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like a moron and the other is like he's like super smart.
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So I'm curious if that is like leaning on that a little bit.
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Maybe I don't. Know maybe?
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I like how when he was Sentry, he didn't want to kill anyone.
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Reminded me of Spider Man, you know?
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Yeah, let's see. Oh, and again, you're the comics
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expert here. How?
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How do you think the voids powers work?
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It was interesting how they did it.
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They showed them as two different people but in the same
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vessel. But in the comics, it's some of
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times it's like that, and sometimes it's not.
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In Century solo run, Century has the void locked in his basement,
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like so. Yeah.
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So I was curious how they were going to do that because that's
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a slippery slope. It's either really, really cool
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or something just like you tried.
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But I really liked it. They made the void as unhinged
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and as creepy as he is in the comics, so they nailed it.
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Yes, they absolutely did. And I like love the visual
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effects on that. Like when I saw it in the
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trailer and it was just those like little tiny dots of light
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for the eyes. I was like, OK, he's creepy.
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This is going to be an awesome movie.
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Yeah, and they made him just as evil as he is in the comics.
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In the comics, he tells Century at one point, because Century's
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whole thing is he wants to save people.
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That is why he's the Century he like.
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So Bob a little Tweety guy, right that he's in the comics,
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he is that little dweeby guy. But when he suits up a century,
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he's a huge muscly man, like a man's man, like the man that
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like at one point Bob's wife was like, can you wear century in
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the bed? Like it's that it was it was
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very sad. He was like, it was so sad, but
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like, that's the big difference there.
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Where was I going with that? Oh my gosh, I just started to
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talk. What if void we were oh, so I
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don't know why that has anything to do with what I was going to
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say. I'm so sorry.
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And with the void, his whole thing is like, I'm just going to
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ruin this guy's life. And that's what he tries to do.
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But century, he tries to save people.
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His whole thing is I want to save people.
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While in the century. So in the comics he has like
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this AI that tells him like this big event is happening in 23
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seconds. This this many people are going
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to die in 14 seconds. You have to save these people.
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You have time to save these. You don't have time to save
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these. And that is consistent while
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he's century. So that's all he does is save
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people. The void goes until century.
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For every person you save, I'm going to kill someone.
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So that is what this guy's about.
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He is. It's like petty, but like
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Satan's version of petty, Yeah. Gotcha.
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Yeah. Oh, and then the way he was like
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calling Bob a hero, like tying it back to his childhood
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traumas, like, dude, come on, That was that was a lot.
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I think everyone left this movie saying I need therapy.
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I don't know. It was great though.
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It was, no, I loved. I loved.
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The one thing the NCU does really, really well is when they
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want to, when they tackle mental health, they do it the right
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way. With like Iron Man Three, you
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had Tony going through PTSD. You have Wanda Vision where
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Scarlet Witch is going through every step of grief of the grief
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process. And then you have this where
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it's like, I think I'm not taking away anything from the
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other projects, but I think this was the most relatable of any
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project they've done because I think so many people left and
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were like, I needed to see that they feel exactly how I do.
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And you saw in on the big screen and two different words, but it
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was incredibly well done. Yeah, yeah, it was.
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It was. And like, I think the writers
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did a really good job, too, making it not preachy, you know
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what I'm saying? Yeah.
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Yeah. What do you want to talk about?
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I'm going to put my notes down for a minute.
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Like what do you want to talk? About So I'm sure you've seen
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that Marvel spoiled it for everyone who did not see it.
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Yes, I did see that. So what do you think?
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I don't know. I mean, if it gets people into
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the theaters, that's good. I, I mean, I don't know.
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I don't really know how I feel about it.
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How about you? I think it they could have
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waited a week that I think it is a brilliant idea.
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But you could have waited a week.
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You waited two days. Sunday they were putting those
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signs up on like Hollywood Blvd. and all that.
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So it's like, I like what they did.
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And then the director, I think it was the director came out and
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said, like Val was trying to sell that they're the New
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Avengers to the world. So we did the same thing.
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It's like, yeah. And I was like, well, good for
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you, bud. But like some didn't see it yet.
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The whole mystery was the asterisk and you get you took
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that from them. Yeah, I don't know.
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It's interesting. Marketing is not my thing.
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It's not Marvel's either. It's not it it like I think
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because Ironheart comes out June 24th.
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Have you heard anything about it?
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I did see that one article that I.
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Sent that empire, that empire posted and Marvel Studios
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reposted, which is like, Oh my gosh, I just give me two weeks
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as their head of marketing. I will get it back on track.
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I could do it. I think so.
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All right, have a job. No, I'm don't pull there.
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Absolutely not. I'm still waiting for my cease
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and desist. Letter like, aren't we all
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though? We're all just flying by the
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seat of our pants, just waiting. Yep.
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I'm a frame it though, like Marvel lawyer said piss so
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whatever. So the post credit scene, what
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did you think? I was OK, Well, somehow it got
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spoiled for me. I don't remember how somebody,
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because somebody run something like commented it out of
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nowhere. They're like, oh, the Fantastic
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Four is in the post credits scene.
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And I was like, there's no way. And then in the credits it said
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Fantastic Four theme and my husband's like, wait, what?
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Where was that? And I'm like, Oh no, I got
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spoiled. That's OK.
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I saw someone say that this post credit scene was spoiled before
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it happened and I was like how is that even possible?
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Now that makes sense I didn't realize that's how it did.
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Wow. You could have.
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You could have named it something else.
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I don't know. I mean, it's like what, 3
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minutes later anyway. So, yeah, but still, it's like
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just just put me in charge of marketing.
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I'll I'll get this car turned around.
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But my thing is, what if it's not Fantastic Four?
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What if someone just has their ship because we don't see them?
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They're in a different, they're in a different universe right
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now. So like if they're travelling
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universes, would they take a ship if Silver Surfer is
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involved? So I don't think so.
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I have no idea. I don't either.
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I don't know, but that's guy. That's my thing.
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It was like it was too straightforward.
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But I'm glad they put something there for Fantastic Four because
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they're not setting up nothing lately.
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Like where's the setup for Doomsday I need to see?
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They should have with every movie.
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They should have had a post credits scene, a really short
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one that had something to do with Doom, just to build up
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something. Don't make it a random Doom drop
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because he's not the he's not the guy you just do that to.
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You have to build up to him. Yeah, I don't, I don't know.
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I'm sure they'll they'll figure it out and it's going to be
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awesome and it's going to be mind blowing and we'd like we we
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don't even know I'm. Stressed Amy.
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I'm stressed You're. Stressed.
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Calm down, Zoom. Zoom is my guy, and they had a
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whole plan for Kang. They just should have.
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They just should have recast. That's all you had to do.
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But no. But so Sam is trying to sue for
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the name to The Avengers dude. Sam what?
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That that was a little like. Are you petty?
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What is happening here? I'd I just want to point out
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that Marvel Studios today changed their Avengers Twitter
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name. They have a Twitter account for
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The Avengers and put a copyright logo on it.
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That is that is brilliant. That is genius.
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I love that. Whoever thought of that idea,
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give that guy a raise. The other people you need to
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look at a little differently. My goodness, you are unhinged
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today. Well, it's just like, if I
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hadn't seen the movie and I cared about spoilers, I would
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have been pretty mad because it's like they built.
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They played off of the asterisk since D 23 of last year when
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they added it. They built off and played off
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this big mystery. What could it mean?
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We all had ideas. They kept.
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They didn't drop hints, but they dropped questions.
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Like what does it mean? Oh, the asterisk is down to four
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or five legs on it, not six. They had a whole thing.
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Yeah, they had a whole thing about it.
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And then two days later, they're like, guess what?
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You don't have to watch the movie to see it.
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It's like if you want people to go to the theatre, don't do
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that. Yeah, I I don't know.
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I'm not a marketing guy. Neither am I, but give me like 5
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minutes in the room with Kevin Feige and I'll get things done.
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All right, well, let's go back to.
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The notes my. Papers.
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Because I have so many notes, like, OK, did you see when they
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had that investigation scene, there was a Mr. Carter?
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And I was like, oh, is that a relative of Peggy Carter?
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Oh, I did not notice that. But I thought it was a fun
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little Easter egg, even if it's not actually.
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Nothing. Nothing is coincidence in
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Marvel, I feel. Like it's not right.
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Like was Daredevil born again? How they had an officer Morales
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and everyone's like, oh, that's not that's nothing.
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That's that's not Miles's dad. And you're like, first of all,
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that's quite a coincidence and coincidence don't happen.
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They do everything on. Purpose feel like they do, they
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feel. Like they do.
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All right, so, OK, which is the bigger thing that like you're
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like, OK, this is a little, this is a little silly.
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So they had the timer in the incinerator counting down from 2
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minutes? Or do we what?
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How did they get from the crashed limo to the gas station?
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Which one in your mind is a little more like, OK, that's,
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that's an interesting choice. I would say the limo is the more
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interesting choice. I don't think the incinerator
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with a timer is too weird because of its vow.
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She wants you to know what's about to happen.
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So I think she. Yeah, she.
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Would do that for dramatic effect, wouldn't she?
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Yeah, just to add salt to the wound.
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So I that I don't think is weird.
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The other parts, like I guess we're here now.
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Sure. And but like the movie so, so
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good. It's like you just don't think
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about those things. You're just like, I don't even
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care. I forgive, I don't care.
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Just just give me all the deleted scenes.
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Right. Yeah, let's see, I could talk
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about, I could talk about the soundtrack all day, but I won't
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because I'm on my best behavior here.
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Not music nerding, but yes. Oh, like the like little
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Avengers motifs throughout. Like, Oh my goodness.
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Like, I was kind of thinking that they were going to call
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them the Dark Avengers. That's what I thought.
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Yes, but then they're like New Avengers and like, OK, that
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works too, but. I was, I was mad because I made
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a breakdown video of the Dark Avengers and everything.
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And I was like, look, guys, this is what's going to happen.
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They're the Dark Avengers. And I think they were playing on
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that too, because I don't know if you realize how many times
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they said the word dark in their trailers.
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It was like every single one. And so I was like, OK, we get
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it, You're the Dark Avengers, guys, these are dark Avengers.
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This is what they're about. Century is so involved.
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John Walker, all of them are there.
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And then no, it didn't, didn't matter at all.
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And I was like, all right, well, better luck next time.
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That's fine. Think the only thing I got right
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was Taskmaster dying. Oh my goodness, Taskmaster.
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Oh boy. Like what?
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It had to be in the 1st 10 minutes or something.
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I told everyone, everyone in multiple episodes Taskmaster is
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going to die like Loki and Infinity War.
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That is going to be it. And everyone's like, Oh yeah,
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probably. I'm like, no, I need more hype
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because I know I'm right. And then it happened and I was
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like, God damn, it happened. And everyone's like everyone
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knew that was going to happen. So it's like, just let me have
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this. My theory.
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She's either 100% going to die or they're going to pull the
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biggest plot twist in all of cinema history.
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But they they didn't. So that's.
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They made it so blatant, blatantly clear that Taskmaster
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wasn't was going to die. And I was like, are we being
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punked right now? Like does Taskmaster actually
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live? Is she like, is she kidnapped
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and they have to go find her? I was like, there's just no way.
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They're really punking us that hard.
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Like you kind of like start to gaslight yourself and you're
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like, this is it that they're really pulling it?
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They're they're going to get us all.
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And then Taskmaster got shot and I was like, that was right.
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Which is fine. I don't, I don't like what
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they've done to Taskmaster. So I'm like, I'm totally fine
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with it. Just give me Anthony Masters as
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tax taskmaster and moving on. No one will question it.
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We promise to be on our best behavior.
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No one will ask a single question speaking.
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Of punked, OK, no, we're like 2 big times that.
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I was like, Oh no, they did not just kill off X person.
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So when Bucky was fighting century, the music just kind of
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got a little more quiet and I'm like, no, no, they're not going
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to kill off Bucky. They can't.
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They can't. And I was I, I was on the edge
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of my seat. I was stuffing popcorn in my
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mouth so much during that fight because I was like stress
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eating. I was like, Oh my God, I don't
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want any of them to die. I don't even care if John Walker
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dies. Like, I don't want any of them
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to die. And then the I've heard the
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music start to slow down. I was like, Oh my God, oh, my
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God, this is I can't do this. I was like, I can't.
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Like I was looking around. I was like, I can't scream in
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here. I can't, I can't do anything.
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Like my husband's right here. I can't make a make a scene
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because he's going to be like, what is wrong with you?
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Like, yeah, I was like, I don't think I can mentally handle
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this. I think this is it.
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This is, this is this is it for me.
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And then he didn't die. And I was like, Marvel, you got
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me. You got me.
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Oh, and then they just got, like, hit with his own arm.
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I didn't notice that until the third time I watched it, so I'm
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a little slow, but yeah, he just got knocked out with his own
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arm. Like Dang.
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Everyone in our theater loved that part.
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They're like, oh, that was awesome.
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And I was like, how dare you? But it was pretty awesome.
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Like I really liked it. It was pretty great.
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Like that whole fight I thought was so well done.
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It had so much humor, but it also had like so much action and
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there are so many parts where you're like, this is it?
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And then at the end they just ran away.
25:38
Like that is so unlike like UN Avengers like that they just ran
25:43
away. I was like, that's so relatable.
25:45
I get you guys. I would do the same thing.
25:48
Yes, yes, that was great. Oh and the way Ava just like
25:53
grabbed Bucky's arm, like is she like keeping that for herself or
25:59
is she getting it for him? I keep it for myself for sure.
26:04
Use it as a club you. Know yeah, that'd.
26:08
Be pretty. That'd be pretty great.
26:12
So what did you think of ghosts and throughout this movie?
26:16
I thought she was cool. I don't know if I have any notes
26:24
on her specifically. No, I don't.
26:28
I like that she was the first one to get into the idea of them
26:33
being a team, so even when they all hated each other, still
26:36
looking out for them. I really like that.
26:40
And I liked that. Well, this whole movie really, I
26:46
like that you didn't have to do a bunch of homework before going
26:49
into it. Like, you know, if you don't
26:52
know who ghost is before coming in, you're fine.
26:58
Like it works. And, and I, I really respect
27:04
that because sometimes it can be hard to do that, but they did
27:09
and, and I think it's great so. Well, the only movie you really
27:13
should watch before it is Black Widow because like, all three of
27:17
them, all three of their characters are in there.
27:20
But yeah, even if you don't, it's like you can kind of pick
27:24
up what's going on between Yelena and Red Guardian.
27:26
So they they did really well all around, but it didn't feel like
27:31
every member was dealing with some kind of mental issue.
27:39
Yeah, because you could see Elena going through the
27:44
Depression. She had the hopelessness.
27:47
That's a really big indicator. Alexi, who is in denial about
27:52
his own life, his own happiness. Ghost.
27:56
She has issues like you wouldn't believe.
27:59
And then you have Bucky, who's getting over his failure as what
28:05
was he, Senator, Congressman. Well, I'm a little.
28:09
I'm a little I'm confused on that.
28:11
Did he, did he actually like quit or get fired or whatever?
28:17
Or was that just Valentine of being a jerk?
28:20
I think he was pushed out because of his past.
28:24
That's what it sounds like that he was like voted out.
28:27
Gotcha. All right.
28:29
Yeah, I totally missed that. He mentioned if I think of a
28:33
couple times where he was like, it's because of his past.
28:36
What people think of them, they don't like.
28:38
So it's like it's easy to see him getting pushed out.
28:40
What I want to know is why politics, Bucky?
28:44
Why like? He thought he could make a
28:48
change, but yeah, don't, don't. We're going to keep the good
28:54
vibes here. We're not, but I want to know
28:57
politics. I don't talk about politics on
29:00
my show. I don't.
29:01
Know, but with. Him, I want to.
29:04
I want to know like what? What made him want to like?
29:07
What told him that was a good idea?
29:11
What did his campaign trail look like?
29:13
I want to know so much about that.
29:15
Like, I wanted to vote for Bucky's shirt really bad.
29:17
And they just took that whole whole scenario away from me.
29:22
I was, I was about to like get a big poster thing printed out and
29:28
then stick it in my yard as a yard sign just to confuse
29:31
everybody like Bruce Barnes. And why is he running for
29:35
Congress? Like, and they're like Amy, it's
29:40
May. What are you doing?
29:43
Like they could have if they would have, just like if they
29:46
gave us a limited series of his campaign trail, even like a
29:50
special presentation. The merch that would come off it
29:54
alone would be phenomenal. Yeah, I could see him doing,
29:59
like you remember foreign Darrell.
30:03
I could see him doing something like that.
30:05
Do I remember what Darrell? Right.
30:07
What are you talking about? Oh, it was like when Thor's
30:11
living on Earth and he's he's with this roommate, Daryl.
30:15
Oh oh. Yeah, and then let the
30:19
grandmaster shows up and like melts a guy, you know?
30:25
The usual. Is fun, the usual.
30:31
But also do we know where Red Guardians wife is?
30:36
I haven't seen Black Widow in a while, did she not die?
30:41
Is her name Alina? I think, yeah, thing like that,
30:45
yeah. Yeah, I don't.
30:47
She didn't die at the end of the Black Widow.
30:49
I was like, no, because they're all standing there.
30:55
Yeah, they're all standing there at the end.
30:57
And SHIELD is, is it SHIELD? It's not SHIELD.
31:00
It's the military, FBI, all that are pulling up to arrest
31:03
Natasha. And they're she's like, you guys
31:05
got to get out of here. Go.
31:06
I I got it and I got to handle this so she doesn't die.
31:11
Lexi doesn't, obviously. Yelena does not.
31:14
So it's like, did she go back to work with her pigs?
31:19
Maybe. She was.
31:22
She was kind of mean, though. That's fine.
31:26
Maybe Yelena. Natasha deserve.
31:29
The pigs, Bucky can go live with the goats, you know, just
31:33
everybody can have their own little farm.
31:37
Were you picking up some like romantic vibes between Mel and
31:41
Bucky? Because I was and I was like, if
31:47
this girl does not hop off. Well, the girl who plays Mel
31:54
posted this video on TikTok, I think it was and she's just like
31:59
Bucky and Thunderbolts got me like and it's just like weird
32:03
flirty song thing. And I'm like what?
32:07
And everybody's like, girl is you YN what?
32:14
I. Was wild.
32:17
That's that's girl, calm down. Like he's clearly not yours.
32:26
Is he yours? Is he?
32:27
Yours. I'll fight for that man.
32:31
I'll do. I'll do a lot of terrible things
32:32
for that man. But anyways, I thought she was
32:37
supposed to be Songbird, Who is Melissa Gold in the comics?
32:42
So like, where'd that go? I think I, I thought I just saw
32:47
some thing, I think the writers there, I think his name is Eric.
32:53
I'll feel so bad if his name is not Eric.
32:55
But yeah, I think he said that that's supposed to be a thing.
33:01
So. Where's she at?
33:03
Like where's her powers? What is she doing?
33:06
I think it could have been cool, but there I feel like there was
33:10
a lot of stuff that was supposed to happen in this movie that
33:12
didn't. Because earlier today they said
33:15
that US Agent was going to be the main antagonist of the
33:20
movie, that Val was going to lie and say that your super soldier
33:25
serum is diminishing, so you have to get more or something
33:30
like that. And I was like, that is that
33:32
would have been horrible. That would have been such a bad
33:33
movie. Thank you for not doing that.
33:37
Yeah. Yeah, I don't know.
33:42
Yeah, My husband's favorite character was John Walker, and I
33:48
thought that was an interesting choice.
33:50
I was like, OK, all right. But he did have a really decent
33:55
character arc in this movie. And I really liked how at the
33:59
end where, you know, they're pulling Bob off of the void, how
34:05
he was the one to grab his arm and actually stop him from
34:10
punching the void 'cause like, I mean, he's so violent as a guy.
34:18
And so him stopping that was, I don't know, I I just thought
34:23
that was really neat for his character.
34:26
He had a good a really good arc. I agree.
34:29
I hope he went home to his wife and kid.
34:32
Like that's what I was hoping for.
34:33
I was hoping to see a scene where it's just like him going
34:36
home but no. But no, they could have.
34:41
After so much trauma that we all went through together at the
34:44
movie theater, going through our own mental illnesses, they could
34:48
have given us one thing, but they didn't.
34:52
They were all together that's. I don't think they like each
34:56
other. I'd.
34:57
Say do now? I think they'll they'll put up
35:02
with each other now. Yeah, I think they're just like
35:05
paid to be around each other. I think that's that's so very
35:08
different than just hanging out together.
35:12
Oh no. Like.
35:15
I liked their new looks though that we saw in the post credit
35:18
scene. Like they looked good.
35:20
Yes. And OK, do not get me started on
35:24
Bucky having a Red Star on his like jacket.
35:29
I'm like. I was stressed.
35:32
I was like this is AI have I have to marry this man like this
35:36
is. You are married already.
35:40
So are you? Different universe, OK.
35:45
Yeah, I'm in the multiverse right now.
35:50
But yeah, and I know it's like a comic thing, I think.
35:55
I don't think it's Doom Strike, that's probably wrong.
35:58
But one of the comics he wears something with a Red Star on it
36:01
and. Most of them.
36:02
Because that's the look of The Winter Soldier.
36:06
Doom strike. He has it too.
36:09
Yeah, but. That's such a good Comic Con,
36:12
though. For him to voluntarily wear
36:15
something with a big Red Star on it, it's like, OK, he's like
36:20
accepted his past. That's great.
36:23
I think he accepted all that in The Falcon and The Winter
36:29
Soldier. I think now he's just kind.
36:32
I think he's comfortable moving on to this, his next thing, as
36:35
not as a congressman, not as someone with a job, but with
36:39
someone who's a hero. Mm hmm.
36:41
Mm Hmm. Yeah, yeah.
36:44
Oh, Bucky, his entrance on the motorcycle, That was phenomenal.
36:51
That was a that was a blessing, if I do say so myself, Yes.
36:57
It was great. It was like I was made for this
37:01
losers like like dodging bullets like that's that's Bucky the
37:11
guy. So cool.
37:13
Cool. Though.
37:15
He is. He's he's very cool.
37:18
Yeah, So what else are on this list of notes you have?
37:22
This list of notes, I mean John Walker calling Bob Bobby over
37:28
and over and over again, drove me nuts.
37:31
Why? I thought it was sweet.
37:34
What? That's like his whole trauma
37:36
thing, like I think his dad or whatever called him Bobby and.
37:42
Yeah, but Walker didn't know that, though.
37:45
Well, no, but I don't know so if you.
37:48
Look at it. Set of calling people by their
37:51
given name until told otherwise, but.
37:55
What's Walker? He's a military man.
38:00
In the military, when you get, you know, you get close to some
38:03
and you give them a nickname. So that's what I took it as,
38:05
like, OK, he's starting to accept him.
38:08
OK, I saw it more as like a mocking thing but.
38:15
I think that's a great. Thing about art that we have
38:18
different interpretations. So very true.
38:22
Let's see. OK, yes, so when Yelena is
38:27
walking into the vault, she like Valentina's got that voice over.
38:34
And that very well could have been the same briefing that like
38:38
Vowel's giving John as John is following Yelena into the vault.
38:45
Do you know what I'm what I'm saying there?
38:48
I don't know. I get really excited and then I
38:50
make no sense. I'm trying to.
38:51
Figure out what you mean. What vault?
38:54
OK. The at the beginning.
38:56
The vault built into the mountain.
38:58
Oh, the incinerator vault. Yeah.
39:01
Yeah, yeah. So like Yelena's following
39:04
ghost? Yeah.
39:06
But Valentina's voice over, like she's like, Oh yeah, she's
39:13
perfectly like, it's not capable, but she has whatever
39:18
that she can rob me. But like, the way she says it,
39:22
it could have been the same thing that she's saying to John.
39:25
And like, we could be from the point of view of John watching
39:29
Elena going in. So I thought that was cool.
39:34
That is, I didn't think about that.
39:37
Yeah, I'm kind of a nerd. Aren't we all?
39:42
Yeah, if you're listening to this podcast, probably just
39:47
accept that about yourself. Like it's, it just adds to our
39:52
quality. Exactly.
39:54
Exactly what else oh did it say 14 months later with the post
40:01
credits scene? You stared into my soul when you
40:07
asked that. Yeah, I think so, didn't it?
40:13
I don't know because I just saw it like today, different places,
40:16
people talking about 14 months later and I'm like where?
40:20
And I watched the movie 3 times and I apparently have missed it
40:23
every time so. Let me see Thunderbolts 14
40:29
months. Sometimes if you just type
40:32
random things into Google it'll just show you what you need.
40:36
Sometimes it doesn't. Like, right now it's not gonna
40:40
say, yeah, I have no freaking idea.
40:45
Now, the sequence is about 14 months after the events of
40:50
Thunderbolts. Yeah.
40:52
So Fortune. Did it say that?
40:54
OK, I think that every time. Didn't did.
40:59
Now I don't know. I'm second guessing myself.
41:01
Now I don't know. Hey listeners, if you know, let
41:04
us know in the comments because we don't know.
41:06
Yes, please. Also what's interesting is the
41:11
post credits scene was filmed by the Russos so it's like what are
41:17
you guys up to? I noticed it's just like a
41:22
completely different color palette.
41:24
It was very, very different vibe.
41:28
Yes. Like it kind of Jarred me when I
41:31
saw it. I was like, wait, this isn't the
41:33
same color scheme. What's happening?
41:36
Are we in a different universe? But I don't think so.
41:42
Well, that's what that's what I was thinking.
41:44
I was like, OK, so they're trying to start them off on a
41:46
brand new vibe, new energy because that's what it felt
41:49
like. And then find out it's the
41:50
Russos. I was like, it did feel like the
41:53
Russos, didn't it? OK, so it's like, what is this
41:58
scene from? Is this from doomsday?
42:02
Because that makes a lot of sense because when else would we
42:07
be watching the Fantastic Four touchdown, right?
42:11
I. Don't know.
42:12
From that point of view, or is it from Fantastic Four, are we
42:16
going to get the new Avengers in Fantastic Four?
42:21
Maybe they'll be in a post credit scene.
42:24
I swear to God, 14 months later than that.
42:32
I I'm, I'm way late to the Fantastic Four train here.
42:37
Like I just watched that that first movie with Chris Evans.
42:42
Yeah, it's kind of weird. Last week.
42:48
And they're good. They're good movies for what
42:50
they. Are they're good movies?
42:52
Like I was holding off because people are like, oh, you know,
42:56
they're whatever. But like.
42:58
Yeah, right. When those came out at that
43:02
time, we got nothing. We got nothing.
43:05
We maybe got like Blade, Spider Man, all those, but like
43:10
compared to now, we got nothing. It was like 1 every what, few
43:14
years? And I've watched them.
43:16
I watch them every year. I watch all the movies every
43:18
year. But I love the Fantastic Four
43:21
movies. I don't care.
43:23
You may not like it. You may hate that Galactus is a
43:26
big cloud. Yeah, that part sucked.
43:28
But for what they were, they brought the heat.
43:32
They did really well. Yeah, I agree.
43:36
The only thing that I was like, and this could have been better
43:40
was when they initially got their powers, it was kind of
43:43
like, yeah, but also you got to think, well, what were VFX like
43:49
at the time? OK, we can't go anything too
43:52
crazy, but, and we don't want it to end up like, you know, Spider
43:57
Man, where it's just like all of a sudden you see the DNA
44:00
changing and blah, blah, blah. So I can't complain too much
44:04
about that either. See, I don't care about CGI not
44:11
even a slightest bit because it's like I know it's fantasy.
44:14
I know it's not real. That is fine.
44:16
I'm never, I've never sat there and be like, oh, the CGI is
44:19
terrible. I don't care.
44:22
I I'm so easy to please. I am fine.
44:24
Like I watched all of She Hulk and I was like, what is everyone
44:28
so mad about? I still don't get it.
44:31
Like, I don't understand it. So it's, you know, it's fantasy.
44:35
It like, come on now, we all survived the Twilight movies,
44:40
but we're mad about this. Goodness gracious.
44:46
I think people just have way, way too high expectations these
44:50
days. And I'm not saying like the
44:52
quality is extremely low or anything, but like, you know,
44:58
after end game people were still expecting end game and you you
45:05
can't. That was like a once in a decade
45:07
movie, you know what I'm saying? Yeah every.
45:10
I hate when people say best movie since End game or
45:14
everything has sucked after end game and I'm like why is that
45:16
the bar? Right.
45:19
Like, I don't understand, the MCU is the MCU.
45:22
If if anything, we should be going by phases, not by a movie
45:26
from that long ago that we're all still, I guess, traumatized
45:29
by. I guess it sounds like it's just
45:32
weird to me. Like, who cares that it's just
45:36
so strange people? It's a very, very entitled
45:39
fandom. We will complain about every
45:41
single thing, any little thing, and then we complain.
45:45
When I say we, I don't mean me. Give me whatever you want.
45:50
I don't care, but they'll complain that there's too many
45:55
projects, there's not enough projects, something it's
45:57
cancelled, something it's delayed, something comes out too
46:00
early. Just shut up and watch.
46:04
Or don't watch, whatever works. But my gosh, there has to be
46:10
other hobbies in the world than complaining.
46:14
That's a fun hobby. It has to be exhausting.
46:19
You have to be tired. Yes, positive vibes are way more
46:27
fun. Agree.
46:30
Let's see, do I have anything else worth while?
46:36
I thought the cactus Berry scene was random.
46:40
I thought the cucumber scene, I thought the cucumber scene was
46:44
really cute when they're all like, cute.
46:47
It was. It was just so adorable.
46:50
I don't know why. I was like, I want to adopt all
46:52
of you. It's so cute.
46:55
Like, let's just be friends. We all live in Avengers Tower.
46:59
He's going to eat the pop Tarts. I don't know.
47:01
Like I don't even care like eat whatever pop tarts you want.
47:04
I I love all of you. You're mine now.
47:11
Oh, let's see. So.
47:19
Yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah. So she had her line when she was
47:25
going up in the elevator shaft or whatever, how she's like, oh,
47:29
don't even get me started on the childhood trauma.
47:32
Child assassin. I win every time.
47:36
And then later when she sees Bob and his childhood and, and she
47:42
doesn't, you know, she's not the cocky look.
47:47
I was a child assassin. Like, I've got more trauma than
47:50
you. She was there.
47:51
And she's like, your trauma is equally as valid as mine.
47:55
And I thought that was so great. The She also had an amazing
48:02
character arc throughout this entire movie.
48:04
Throughout this entire MCU she has started from literally
48:10
nothing to just being mad at her sister's grave to here we are
48:16
her leading the new Avengers and accepting others trauma and not
48:21
trying to one up them. That that's beautiful.
48:23
Most people we know can't do that.
48:26
That's crazy. Yes, yes, I loved it.
48:31
Such good writing. So as we come to the end of the
48:36
episode, what would you rate it out of 10?
48:40
12. Wow.
48:42
And you saw it. 3 * 12. Wow.
48:47
Well. Let's.
48:48
See it three times? What about you?
48:50
I said 9.5, what was it? Oh, I gave, I docked it half a
48:59
point because of Songbird. It was like, alright, I just put
49:02
so much work into a video and I was like, I can't let you guys
49:06
get away with that, so whatever. All right, so 12 out of 10.
49:10
Perfect. 12 out of 10. So thank you for coming on this
49:17
episode again, this is so much fun.
49:18
I have such a good time with you and it was nice to talk to
49:21
someone about Thunderbolts rather than just talking to
49:24
myself in a screen. Well, it was good talking with
49:27
you about it too. And thank you so much for having
49:30
me on. Of course.
49:32
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49:37
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