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Ghislaine Maxwell Interview Part 3 · Gil I Am

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  Speaker 1: I can't remember what the budget was for the construction
• 0:07
  Speaker 1: on any given year it's gone, but it was. These
• 0:11
  Speaker 1: are very significant projects, and so that was what I did,
• 0:16
  Speaker 1: and I managed the budgets.
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  Speaker 2: Well, I didn't manage the budgets. I oversaw the budget.
• 0:20
  Speaker 1: So I would just make sure that if you said
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  Speaker 1: you bought an out there and their conditioning clant, I
• 0:27
  Speaker 1: saw an air conditioning implant, and like they called the
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  Speaker 1: island manager, did you receive the carrier whatever?
• 0:36
  Speaker 3: You know? When did mister Epson purchase the island?
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  Speaker 2: I wanted to say ninety six or ninety seven, something
• 0:45
  Speaker 2: like that.
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  Speaker 4: Okay, so we're going to come back and spend more
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  Speaker 4: time on the money with with respect to mister Epstein
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  Speaker 4: and his wealth, but just so we can finish this.
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  Speaker 3: So in two thousand and nine, you end relationship with Ted.
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  Speaker 2: That's night. That's a ten, ok I can't remember if
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  Speaker 2: it was tens.
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  Speaker 4: In that time period. What happens next with as far
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  Speaker 4: as your relationship with mister Epstein, I don't have one
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  Speaker 4: with You don't have one of him, like you don't
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  Speaker 4: see him or it's just a different relationship.
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  Speaker 1: I did see or maybe some once or twice and
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  Speaker 1: maybe even three times. I certainly went to his house
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  Speaker 1: once for sure, maybe twice, but I.
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  Speaker 2: Was not seeing him.
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  Speaker 1: The only time that I was in touch with him
• 1:31
  Speaker 1: was when the.
• 1:34
  Speaker 2: Things happened, like things somebody were.
• 1:37
  Speaker 1: In the press that affected me, or when the cbr
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  Speaker 1: A case was filed and there was all that rubbish
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  Speaker 1: that went out.
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  Speaker 2: Cause I didn't do the information, cause I didn't know.
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  Speaker 2: I didn't know anything about what was happening, and I
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  Speaker 2: needed his help a to understan I.
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  Speaker 1: I made a sound way depraise that I topt me
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  Speaker 1: in his help.
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  Speaker 2: I meant to have answers.
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  Speaker 1: So that I had an ability to defend myself.
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  Speaker 2: That's what I'm thinking.
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  Speaker 4: I'm not when does that relationship change, so you're working
• 2:10
  Speaker 4: you talked about when your the physical relationship stopped, and
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  Speaker 4: then you're still working for him or with him managing
• 2:17
  Speaker 4: his properties and being serving as a general manager. You
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  Speaker 4: then start your own relationship with another individual from with
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  Speaker 4: Ted from two thousand and three till two thousand nine
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  Speaker 4: or ten, At what point in that whole period is
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  Speaker 4: there like more of a break where you're no longer
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  Speaker 4: acting as his job.
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  Speaker 1: I wanted to have a full break when I started
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  Speaker 1: dating Techt, and he.
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  Speaker 2: Was pleas I suppose it would be true to say that.
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  Speaker 1: I sort of viewed the step seeing that point sort
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  Speaker 1: of family. If he will let someone I could rely on,
• 2:51
  Speaker 1: and I should have had more confidence in myself. I
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  Speaker 1: can see that now, but it kind of given everything
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  Speaker 1: that had happened in my life, I thought that it would.
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  Speaker 1: And I saw how he voiced with other people like Eva,
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  Speaker 1: who seemed to be very comfortable with saying there.
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  Speaker 2: I thought this to be, and he always said I
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  Speaker 2: was like family.
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  Speaker 1: So he worked hard to maintain a relationship with me.
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  Speaker 2: He was generous with me. He let me use the
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  Speaker 2: plane with bass, which was very generous.
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  Speaker 3: He would.
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  Speaker 1: Check in with my mum. He things that woul were
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  Speaker 1: meaningful to me in that time. And then it may
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  Speaker 1: still not her work, but that his his mother, that
• 3:42
  Speaker 1: Paula had been in a very serious car crash, and
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  Speaker 1: I am.
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  Speaker 2: She had become sort of like a a surrogate.
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  Speaker 1: Mother for me, sort of because my mom wasn't there,
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  Speaker 1: I could I could look after her the way that
• 4:00
  Speaker 1: I would have sorry, the way that I would have
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  Speaker 1: liked to look after my own mum. So I became
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  Speaker 1: very close to his mother, and she had been in
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  Speaker 1: a car crash and in two thousand and four, I
• 4:21
  Speaker 1: believe it it it may have been five. I I
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  Speaker 1: don't recall exactly she took her Her health took a
• 4:27
  Speaker 1: serious decline, and Epstein called me and asked me if
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  Speaker 1: I could look after her.
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  Speaker 2: And by looking after her, that meant organizing her doctors, uh, making.
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  Speaker 1: Sure she had new clothes, making sure her house was cleaned.
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  Speaker 2: She lived in a.
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  Speaker 1: Retirement uh establishment in outside of Palm Beach, outside of
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  Speaker 1: its West Palm. I wanted I'm going to say something
• 5:01
  Speaker 1: like the Golden Girls, but it's not called that. I
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  Speaker 1: just don't remember what it is. Gold but it was
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  Speaker 1: an old age. It was for a time with him
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  Speaker 1: and if.
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  Speaker 3: You will, Todd, I don't know.
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  Speaker 2: We've been going for maybe about an hour.
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  Speaker 3: Now, do you think is this a good time? Yeah? Yeah,
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  Speaker 3: so we'll take a we'll take a break.
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  Speaker 2: Yeah, all right, so we're going to take a break.
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  Speaker 3: The time is ten fifty six.
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  Speaker 1: I were continuing the Popper interview with miss Maxwell. The
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  Speaker 1: time is eleven oh seven am on Thursday, July twenty fourth.
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  Speaker 3: All right, so just picking up where we just stopped.
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  Speaker 5: So you have basically a break, well not a break,
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  Speaker 5: that's the wrong word, but your your relationship with mister
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  Speaker 5: Maxwell professional and other changes in.
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  Speaker 3: Two thousand and three four.
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  Speaker 1: Yeah, I mean over the time that I stay with Ted,
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  Speaker 1: the more time I'm with Ted, the.
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  Speaker 2: More distance I have him. And then when the.
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  Speaker 1: Arrest, well, let's go back when he whatever whatever happened
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  Speaker 1: in two thousand and five, and he became arrested in
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  Speaker 1: two thousands, So when.
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  Speaker 4: He's charged and arrested in what we'll call the Florida investigations,
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  Speaker 4: that's what you're talking about.
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  Speaker 3: Okay, go ahead.
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  Speaker 2: So I had I was not in.
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  Speaker 3: Well, well, we part of that investigation.
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  Speaker 4: Did law enforcement ever talk to you as far of that,
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  Speaker 4: did you, Like, the Feds never talked to you, The
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  Speaker 4: FBI never talked to you. I never even received a phone,
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  Speaker 4: did you, So you didn't receive a subpoena?
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  Speaker 3: Did the state law enforcement ever reach out to you?
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  Speaker 4: As far as you know, did the government, either state
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  Speaker 4: or federal, subpoena your bank records or subpoena anything from
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  Speaker 4: your financial life during that time during the.
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  Speaker 1: Not as far as I'm aware out If they did,
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  Speaker 1: I don't know it and I have no idea about that,
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  Speaker 1: to be honest, but I'm not aware of it, and
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  Speaker 1: I would say no, but maybe you guys do things
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  Speaker 1: that I don't know.
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  Speaker 4: So how did how did you learn of that case
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  Speaker 4: when Miss Repsing was arrested or did you know that
• 7:14
  Speaker 4: something was happening before then?
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  Speaker 1: The first thing I knew was he had told me
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  Speaker 1: he was deciding to redecorate the house in Pumpeach. It
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  Speaker 1: didn't surprise me. It was like a rolling situation.
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  Speaker 4: But by that time, are you doing are you like
• 7:33
  Speaker 4: he tells you because he wants your help or your
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  Speaker 4: relationship changed by this time where you were no longer
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  Speaker 4: kind of acting as his general manager?
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  Speaker 2: No, I was. I was still around. I wasn't gone.
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  Speaker 2: I was with Ted, I was traveling.
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  Speaker 1: I wasn't daily. If you'd ask me where he was
• 7:53
  Speaker 1: in any given time, I'm not sure I would have
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  Speaker 1: known then. I mean it was I felt like I
• 8:00
  Speaker 1: suppose the relationship moved into sort of like a.
• 8:05
  Speaker 2: Longtime friend family, you know, like look like I felt
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  Speaker 2: that you had with Eva. If I'm honest.
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  Speaker 3: Okay, so he says to you he's going to redecorate.
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  Speaker 1: He asked me specifically, which decorator he thinks he should
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  Speaker 1: use because I had a lot of contacts with decorators
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  Speaker 1: and he was not very good with people, and he
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  Speaker 1: was useless at maintaining relationships with people who work for him.
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  Speaker 1: I'm not so anyway, So I recommended. I think I recommended.
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  Speaker 1: I can't be one hundred percent sure because it's a
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  Speaker 1: long time, but I think I recommended Mark Zef at
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  Speaker 1: that time who Mark Zef?
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  Speaker 2: I believe, and I don't know why.
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  Speaker 3: I don't remember.
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  Speaker 1: That's all lost the time. But anyway, at some point
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  Speaker 1: I think his mother had died. Now I can't remember
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  Speaker 1: the timing of all of that either, But I ended
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  Speaker 1: up in Palm Beach and he had asked me to
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  Speaker 1: come and look at the swatches or whatever he was doing,
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  Speaker 1: because they had laid it all out over the house
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  Speaker 1: and various things, and I think he'd asked for my opinion.
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  Speaker 1: That's my memory of this. It may also be that
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  Speaker 1: Ted and I were going to Palm Beach because Ted
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  Speaker 1: had a golf match or something. There was a reason
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  Speaker 1: I was in Palm Beach. It wasn't so leaf. I
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  Speaker 1: don't Maybe that's not true, right, I don't know.
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  Speaker 2: So there's a.
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  Speaker 1: You know, sometimes I went to Palm Beach because Ted
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  Speaker 1: was there. I don't know if that's part of that
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  Speaker 1: time or not, or Ted went there.
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  Speaker 2: And left me.
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  Speaker 3: I don't know.
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  Speaker 2: Something anyway, I was there. No, that's not either.
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  Speaker 1: No, anyway, at some point in that time I saw
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  Speaker 1: all the swatches. At some point in two thousand and five,
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  Speaker 1: I think that was and then I believe I don't remember.
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  Speaker 1: I think I got a phone call. Actually I wasn't
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  Speaker 1: in pant Beach. I think I got a phone call
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  Speaker 1: that there was a police at his house or something.
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  Speaker 4: Would you've got a phone call from him or you
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  Speaker 4: think you've just told by somebody that knew that it happened,
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  Speaker 4: or don't or don't you remember?
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  Speaker 2: Definitely not him, Okay, I think it would have been
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  Speaker 2: the house.
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  Speaker 4: So when that happens, whenever it was, that's kind of
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  Speaker 4: the first time you know that mister Epstein's being investigated.
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  Speaker 1: I didn't even know what. I didn't even understand. I
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  Speaker 1: didn't have a context for that. It was like I
• 10:33
  Speaker 1: didn't even know.
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  Speaker 2: I didn't know. I didn't. I didn't, I didn't. I'm
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  Speaker 2: not sure even.
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  Speaker 4: After you find out about it, what happens with your relationship.
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  Speaker 3: I asked him.
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  Speaker 2: I asked him what was going on?
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  Speaker 1: And he said, not to worry, nothing, nothing, don't worry
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  Speaker 1: about it, and then it went quiet. I didn't he
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  Speaker 1: didn't say, he didn't share. I wasn't part of it
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  Speaker 1: at all. I was off with Ted and I really did.
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  Speaker 4: He tell you, Well, why don't we come back to
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  Speaker 4: more specifics around that time period in a few minutes.
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  Speaker 3: I want to just finish this opening part so that
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  Speaker 3: case goes on ultimately it ends.
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  Speaker 4: What what was your relationship like with him during that case?
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  Speaker 3: When he goes, you.
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  Speaker 2: Know, he.
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  Speaker 1: Told me he said, listen, I'm going to jail, and
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  Speaker 1: he goes, I'd like you to stay on board to
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  Speaker 1: manage the properties, animals, this and that, and just stay
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  Speaker 1: put and I'll continue to pay you in cases any emergency.
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  Speaker 2: I don't trust anyone.
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  Speaker 4: And I was like, okay, well and you said continue
• 11:50
  Speaker 4: to pay you had he?
• 11:51
  Speaker 3: He he never stopping, He never stopping.
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  Speaker 4: So even when your relationship changes, you're getting does the
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  Speaker 4: amount increase from the twenty five thousand or so a year?
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  Speaker 3: Like how much are you getting paid yearly?
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  Speaker 2: I think it.
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  Speaker 1: Ended at the time, Well, we had different payment structures,
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  Speaker 1: and I'm happy to explain how that was. But I
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  Speaker 1: think salary wise, if I'm right, it ended it around
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  Speaker 1: a quarter of a million a year? How much quarter
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  Speaker 1: of a million? Two hundred and fifty thousand?
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  Speaker 3: And when and when did it end? When was that two.
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  Speaker 2: Thousand and eight or nine?
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  Speaker 3: So? Nine?
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  Speaker 2: When did he come out of jail? Whenever he came
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  Speaker 2: out of jail?
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  Speaker 3: Okay?
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  Speaker 4: So, and over the years it increased from what you said,
• 12:31
  Speaker 4: what you thought about twenty five thousands or two hundred
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  Speaker 4: and fifty thousand, that's between like ninety early nineties until
• 12:37
  Speaker 4: two thousand and nine or.
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  Speaker 3: Ten whatever he stopped? Is that right? And how were
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  Speaker 3: you paid?
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  Speaker 2: W two?
• 12:44
  Speaker 3: W two from which? From what company? Are do you.
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  Speaker 2: Like? He just moved me around over to this company there.
• 12:53
  Speaker 2: I didn't care, okay, And I didn't care. I didn't think.
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  Speaker 2: I didn't understand any rhyme or reason. It doesn't tells
• 12:59
  Speaker 2: you know whatever.
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  Speaker 3: Okay.
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  Speaker 4: So when he's going to go to jail, he says,
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  Speaker 4: can you stay around and manage everything?
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  Speaker 3: Yeah? And do you do that? I do, okay, And
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  Speaker 3: then and then we'll come back to that.
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  Speaker 1: We will not manage everything. Now, I mean there are
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  Speaker 1: other people at this point. My specific role then was
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  Speaker 1: very very diminished. I reviewed the bill structure that came
• 13:19
  Speaker 1: from the constructions that was storming the island and wherever else.
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  Speaker 1: I was going to Paris at this point because I
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  Speaker 1: speak French, I'm fluent in French. And also my relationship
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  Speaker 1: was with the French decorator was critical to him in
• 13:32
  Speaker 1: the French component part of that aspect that was really vital.
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  Speaker 1: And so you'd have had to find someone who was
• 13:40
  Speaker 1: well actually and the Spanish trilingual. You would have had
• 13:43
  Speaker 1: to find someone who's trilingual and that he trusted. Did
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  Speaker 1: you to not steal from him?
• 13:51
  Speaker 3: Did you?
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  Speaker 4: So when he gets out of jail between that time
• 13:59
  Speaker 4: two thousand nine or ten and twenty nineteen, what's your
• 14:04
  Speaker 4: relationship like with mister Epstein?
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  Speaker 2: Oh, it's non existent.
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  Speaker 1: Why I had just moved on and I just didn't
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  Speaker 1: want to have anything.
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  Speaker 2: I didn't want the drama. I didn't want to be
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  Speaker 2: associated with.
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  Speaker 4: So do you recall when you say almost non existent?
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  Speaker 4: Does that mean it doesn't mean it phone calls, some visits,
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  Speaker 4: some trips or what.
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  Speaker 2: I don't I don't think there were any trips. Oh,
• 14:34
  Speaker 2: I don't I don't.
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  Speaker 4: Think where were you living during that time period or
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  Speaker 4: was it which time period between twenty nine ten and
• 14:41
  Speaker 4: twenty nineteen, I was back in New York. Okay, so
• 14:47
  Speaker 4: you had no So so you're your phone calls with
• 14:52
  Speaker 4: them on occasion.
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  Speaker 2: Yes, well I certainly did.
• 14:54
  Speaker 1: Whenever there was any legal drama or any like serious
• 14:58
  Speaker 1: press attention, I always called him to try and.
• 15:00
  Speaker 2: Find out what was going on.
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  Speaker 3: Okay, okay, And I.
• 15:03
  Speaker 2: Did email him at that time for those types of details.
• 15:06
  Speaker 2: I was like, what do I do? What I mean?
• 15:08
  Speaker 3: And then when he's charged in New York federally, how
• 15:14
  Speaker 3: did you learn about that case in the press?
• 15:17
  Speaker 4: And had you, as far as you know, been contacted
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  Speaker 4: by law enforcement before his arrest?
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  Speaker 2: No, I wasn't in an indictment.
• 15:27
  Speaker 3: No, I know that.
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  Speaker 4: But even as a witness or asking you if you
• 15:30
  Speaker 4: would give documents or materials, I.
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  Speaker 1: Had never up until up until when my lawyers said that,
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  Speaker 1: I don't even know. I had no knowledge of them
• 15:43
  Speaker 1: being interested in me. Honestly, I don't, I want to say,
• 15:47
  Speaker 1: until he had died. Now I know that my lawyers
• 15:50
  Speaker 1: were in touch with some district of New York at
• 15:55
  Speaker 1: some point after his addressed. I'm pretty sure that had
• 15:58
  Speaker 1: have happened, right, But my understanding is that they had
• 16:02
  Speaker 1: not shown any interest. I know my lawyers went to
• 16:04
  Speaker 1: see them once, I.
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  Speaker 4: Believe, and went to see him, meaning mister Epstein District.
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  Speaker 1: Sorry, and that they had been in regular in touch
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  Speaker 1: with them.
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  Speaker 4: And but now you're talking about after mister Epstein died,
• 16:21
  Speaker 4: or you're talking about before he died.
• 16:23
  Speaker 3: I think if you can't.
• 16:26
  Speaker 1: Remember, it's easily verifiable. My memory is that they were
• 16:32
  Speaker 1: in touch with them when he was arrested.
• 16:36
  Speaker 2: I don't know if.
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  Speaker 1: Anything happened until after his death. Then after that, I
• 16:40
  Speaker 1: don't think they saw them met with them Suden.
• 16:43
  Speaker 2: District of New York.
• 16:44
  Speaker 1: I'm talking about now until after he died. I know
• 16:47
  Speaker 1: that they were in regular telephone contact with them, and
• 16:51
  Speaker 1: that my lawyers believed that they had been told that
• 16:55
  Speaker 1: there was no interest in me and were absolutely stunned
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  Speaker 1: when I was arrested. But maybe stunt is too big
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  Speaker 1: a word, but surprised.
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  Speaker 2: I certainly was.
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  Speaker 3: Okay, So.
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  Speaker 4: Let's okay. So that's That's was a long description of
• 17:13
  Speaker 4: what was a very long life, and that was very helpful.
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  Speaker 4: So I want to go back and talk more specifically
• 17:19
  Speaker 4: now about particular areas, and but that was a very
• 17:23
  Speaker 4: helpful kind of foundation for us. The first the first
• 17:28
  Speaker 4: thing I want to talk about you talked about earlier
• 17:30
  Speaker 4: on about mister Epstein's financial success.
• 17:36
  Speaker 3: What you know?
• 17:37
  Speaker 4: Do you know how he when you first meet him?
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  Speaker 4: At some point you say, I got this place for
• 17:42
  Speaker 4: you to rent. You can't afford it, and he laughs
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  Speaker 4: at you and says, yes I can. What did you
• 17:47
  Speaker 4: learn about his wealth and how he was and how
• 17:51
  Speaker 4: he accumulated his money?
• 17:52
  Speaker 1: I can tell you what you told me, Yes, so
• 17:55
  Speaker 1: I I know that he was hired from working at
• 17:59
  Speaker 1: a price at school whose name eludes me at this point, Dalton.
• 18:03
  Speaker 2: He was working at Dalton as a math teacher and
• 18:08
  Speaker 2: he met.
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  Speaker 1: I think it was Ace. I'm not sure he met
• 18:15
  Speaker 1: someone from Bear who hired him because he was very
• 18:17
  Speaker 1: good at math. And I believe that he then worked
• 18:21
  Speaker 1: on creating a trading of.
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  Speaker 3: Just describe it ahead.
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  Speaker 1: He kind of came up with some new type of
• 18:42
  Speaker 1: trading system, not not a system so much, but as
• 18:45
  Speaker 1: a as a as a vehicle, a trading vehicle that
• 18:49
  Speaker 1: I'm just escaping.
• 18:50
  Speaker 4: And this is why while he was working there and
• 18:56
  Speaker 4: and was this before you met him?
• 18:58
  Speaker 3: So this is what he told you or what you learned?
• 19:01
  Speaker 2: Yes, this is what he told me himself.
• 19:03
  Speaker 4: And so and then eventually he starts a financial firm.
• 19:08
  Speaker 4: Did you know that to be true or no? J
• 19:10
  Speaker 4: Epstein and Company?
• 19:11
  Speaker 2: You ever, I think yes, So pay a minute. So
• 19:16
  Speaker 2: this I did not know.
• 19:17
  Speaker 1: But this I had subsequently learned that he had some
• 19:21
  Speaker 1: problem or some issue at Best Stands, and.
• 19:24
  Speaker 2: There was some I don't disagreement.
• 19:28
  Speaker 1: He wasn't fired because obviously he was still very friendly
• 19:31
  Speaker 1: with Haste and with Jimmy, at least by the time
• 19:34
  Speaker 1: I met him, but they were working with him, and
• 19:36
  Speaker 1: he ran. He had client money at Best Stance, so
• 19:43
  Speaker 1: his money his client's money, I'll come to that. But
• 19:45
  Speaker 1: he started He told me himself that he started a
• 19:50
  Speaker 1: business where he looked for stolen money.
• 19:59
  Speaker 4: So oh,