Latest / Cuff’s Basement / Desperado part 2
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- 0:52Speaker 1: Rising Fast, Basement Rocking everything that there are bad, Ben Sorry,
- 1:00Speaker 1: welcome back to Cuff Space. And I'm your co host,
- 1:03Speaker 1: Tim and I'm with my compadre Ryan Hola and Southwest
- 1:11Speaker 1: correspondent Benjamin Ravenoz.
- 1:13Speaker 3: There we go, There we go, both Southwest podcasts we've
- 1:18Speaker 3: ever done.
- 1:19Speaker 1: Probably And I was just gonna ask you, as the
- 1:21Speaker 1: Southwest correspondent, what how much Spanish do you know? Because
- 1:24Speaker 1: you growing up in school, you and I always took French.
- 1:28Speaker 3: Yeah, my Spanish. We I have no excuse, but my
- 1:36Speaker 3: Spanish is not very good.
- 1:37Speaker 1: I mean I'm fluent now, but growing up I never
- 1:41Speaker 1: took a Spanish. I never took I never took a Spanish.
- 1:44Speaker 4: Much different story.
- 1:46Speaker 1: I think it's such a I think it's such a
- 1:49Speaker 1: boomer thing to have like not told us, what are
- 1:53Speaker 1: you doing taking French? You absolutely should take Spanish? What
- 1:57Speaker 1: are you doing? Like, uh, why would you ever need French?
- 2:01Speaker 1: I feel like that is my parents never intervened.
- 2:05Speaker 4: I'd say so, Like in high school, so few kids
- 2:08Speaker 4: took French.
- 2:10Speaker 1: Well, I still don't know any French. I mean I
- 2:14Speaker 1: I always consider myself in school, if I tried, I
- 2:19Speaker 1: did really well. I think I was smart, but I
- 2:22Speaker 1: didn't try. Two areas that I just failed in, like
- 2:27Speaker 1: my brain did not do well at all. It was
- 2:30Speaker 1: learning musical instruments like fucking Eric and just pick up
- 2:33Speaker 1: guitar and be like ooh do do do do do do?
- 2:37Speaker 1: But then also learning languages. I was terrible at learning languages,
- 2:41Speaker 1: and I never did well in French at all. I could.
- 2:44Speaker 1: I don't know any French, Ben, do you know any French?
- 2:48Speaker 4: No?
- 2:49Speaker 3: No, I mean I don't know that I ever really tried.
- 2:51Speaker 3: But I also I also really struggle. I mean it
- 2:54Speaker 3: was partly that, like even at the time, I was like,
- 2:56Speaker 3: why would I care about this, Like other than getting
- 2:58Speaker 3: a grade, what could this possibly need to me?
- 3:01Speaker 1: I remember freshman year of high school in geometry, I
- 3:05Speaker 1: got a D because I think it was broken down
- 3:07Speaker 1: into quarters. I think the year is broken down to quarters.
- 3:10Speaker 1: I got a D. The third quarter, I got like
- 3:13Speaker 1: a B, then a C, then a D on the
- 3:15Speaker 1: third quarter, and my teacher, mister Morris said, I know
- 3:18Speaker 1: you're smart and you just don't try so in the
- 3:21Speaker 1: fourth quarter, can you please try? So that inspired me,
- 3:27Speaker 1: and then the fourth quarter I got an A and
- 3:29Speaker 1: I was like, aren't you're proud of me, mister Morse,
- 3:31Speaker 1: And he goes no, because you could have gotten an
- 3:34Speaker 1: A all year, but now you only got an A
- 3:36Speaker 1: one quarter because you actually tried. So French, if I
- 3:40Speaker 1: actually tried, I still didn't do well. Couldn't Yeah, I
- 3:45Speaker 1: couldn't have a conversation. I took six years of French.
- 3:52Speaker 1: I couldn't tell you. I couldn't say a sentence in French.
- 3:57Speaker 1: Bonjeourge mappel tim that would be about it? Ryan, do
- 4:00Speaker 1: you know any Spanish?
- 4:03Speaker 5: I'd say, it's more like if I hear it, I
- 4:06Speaker 5: can like put the works together and understand what it means.
- 4:08Speaker 5: But like I always feel like a lot of it
- 4:11Speaker 5: was just through listening. And if you're like I was
- 4:13Speaker 5: always afraid to say it and like try it and
- 4:15Speaker 5: that's where you really learn it. So like I feel
- 4:17Speaker 5: like I couldn't like like I can put like I'll
- 4:21Speaker 5: see keywords, make okay, I understand what sentence they're saying
- 4:23Speaker 5: with this not but you can't tell like I can't
- 4:26Speaker 5: tell like intonation and stuff like that.
- 4:27Speaker 4: Like that stuff's hard.
- 4:28Speaker 5: But I think also because I was surrounded by it,
- 4:30Speaker 5: like outside of it in a way, like especially like
- 4:33Speaker 5: a Shaw's at work, a lot of people spoke Spanish,
- 4:35Speaker 5: so you heard it a lot more frequently. A lot
- 4:37Speaker 5: of signs around our area too were bilingual to Spanish
- 4:40Speaker 5: and English, so it was a lot more osmosis learning.
- 4:43Speaker 4: Was there anything else?
- 4:45Speaker 1: Yeah, I mean I spent two weeks in Italy, and
- 4:47Speaker 1: by the end of the two weeks in Italy, I
- 4:49Speaker 1: knew more conversational Italian than I did conversational French. Like
- 4:53Speaker 1: I could survive saying like where's the bathroom? Where do
- 4:57Speaker 1: I get a drink? You know, stuff like that. So
- 5:01Speaker 1: I feel like if I had lived in Italy for
- 5:03Speaker 1: five months, I'd probably be pretty set with Italian. But
- 5:08Speaker 1: part of the reason is I don't think that we
- 5:10Speaker 1: had like you know, Robin Williams in The Dead Poets
- 5:14Speaker 1: Society as our French teachers like my, my French teachers
- 5:17Speaker 1: were pretty terrible growing up in Natick and Marion. So yeah, AnyWho,
- 5:27Speaker 1: it's never my fault is the point. Okay, I realized
- 5:33Speaker 1: after we finished part one of Desperado, Samahayak is not
- 5:36Speaker 1: in the movie yet. Have you even gotten to Samahaiak?
- 5:40Speaker 4: We're pretty early in Yeah.
- 5:42Speaker 1: Yeah. So Antoniovandaris has walked into the bar with his
- 5:49Speaker 1: guitar case and he says, I'm just here to play
- 5:51Speaker 1: a little music. And they say, all right, we're gonna
- 5:54Speaker 1: open your guitar case. We're gonna kill you if it's
- 5:56Speaker 1: full of guns, and if it's if it has a
- 5:57Speaker 1: guitar inside, then you're good. So they open up his
- 6:00Speaker 1: guitar case and what do they find.
- 6:02Speaker 4: Ryan the guitar.
- 6:05Speaker 1: They find a guitar. They say, you're all set.
- 6:08Speaker 4: Movie's over, Movie's over.
- 6:11Speaker 1: The end. He rides off into the sunset. He marries Bocho,
- 6:18Speaker 1: but no, so then what happens Ben.
- 6:22Speaker 6: Then someone boys say like, yeah, you're good.
- 6:26Speaker 3: He starts to calm down, and then someone presses down
- 6:32Speaker 3: on the guitar, which then kind of is like a
- 6:34Speaker 3: trapdoor and the guitar opens and he sees all his artillery,
- 6:39Speaker 3: machine guns, shotguns and grenades, et cetera.
- 6:42Speaker 6: To that point his cover is blown. And this is
- 6:47Speaker 6: one of my favorite lines. He says. He says basically
- 6:51Speaker 6: like kill him.
- 6:52Speaker 3: And then Antony Maderas has something in his sleeves which
- 6:57Speaker 3: could like automatically. It's like a sleeve fole star basically,
- 7:01Speaker 3: and he can just flip his hands and two guns
- 7:03Speaker 3: comes out, and he says, uh, not yet, and then
- 7:07Speaker 3: two guns, two forty five pistols come out, and then
- 7:10Speaker 3: he just gets to business. And this, I was gonna say,
- 7:15Speaker 3: is probably the greatest shootout in film.
- 7:17Speaker 6: This is my favorite part of this movie because it's
- 7:21Speaker 6: just it is.
- 7:25Speaker 4: Yeah. I don't know.
- 7:26Speaker 3: Whether it's saying, it's just it's it's amazing, beautiful, perfectly
- 7:30Speaker 3: done shootout.
- 7:33Speaker 6: He goes one by one kills every single person of
- 7:36Speaker 6: the bar.
- 7:38Speaker 1: There's a lot of great little moments. First of all,
- 7:41Speaker 1: the double guns out of the sleeves is amazing. That
- 7:43Speaker 1: was first in Taxi Driver. Was the gun out of
- 7:46Speaker 1: the sleeve was to my knowledge, is the first time
- 7:48Speaker 1: that's in a movie. And he's sort of like whipping.
- 7:54Speaker 1: He's like whipping. He's in this whipping motion with the guns. Yes,
- 7:58Speaker 1: and when it gets to the crack part of the
- 8:00Speaker 1: whipping motion is when he fires, which is completely unrealistic
- 8:03Speaker 1: and stupid if you wanted to aim. But it just
- 8:05Speaker 1: looks great, And you don't remember this is before the Matrix.
- 8:10Speaker 1: This is before John Wick, you know. I feel like
- 8:14Speaker 1: this was added so much style at a time where
- 8:18Speaker 1: you know, Schwarzenegger and Stallone and all these movies they
- 8:22Speaker 1: would just hold a machine gun and sort of just
- 8:25Speaker 1: mow people down. And the Matrix brought so much style
- 8:30Speaker 1: and like cool, different aspects to shootouts, and this was
- 8:35Speaker 1: four years before that. So I also really there's a
- 8:41Speaker 1: couple of little moments in this. He can't reach a
- 8:44Speaker 1: guy because the guy's hiding behind the bar, so he
- 8:45Speaker 1: shoots the ceiling fans, so the ceiling fan falls on
- 8:48Speaker 1: the side genius. And then there's an accountant in the back,
- 8:53Speaker 1: that's what I call him, because he's like counting money.
- 8:56Speaker 1: He uh so they killed Tarantino because they think Tarantino
- 8:59Speaker 1: brought Antonio Manderas here, which he didn't. And the accountant
- 9:05Speaker 1: comes out with the machine gun and him and Antonio
- 9:08Speaker 1: avenderas like, I don't know if you remember Ryan, can
- 9:09Speaker 1: you describe sort of like their interactions.
- 9:13Speaker 5: So speaking of the Matrix, they are very similar thing.
- 9:16Speaker 5: They are shooting at each other. They both decide to
- 9:20Speaker 5: dive on the bar and slide towards each other.
- 9:22Speaker 4: When they land, they kind of it's like the the
- 9:24Speaker 4: corner of the bar.
- 9:25Speaker 5: When they land, they both have each other's gun to
- 9:27Speaker 5: each other's head and they're both out of bullets, which
- 9:30Speaker 5: literally isn't the Matrix. It's creatly the exact same moment
- 9:33Speaker 5: with Adan Smith and Neo in the Matrix is crazy.
- 9:37Speaker 4: So then they just.
- 9:37Speaker 5: Start getting up on the ground picking up every gun
- 9:40Speaker 5: around them, all of them are empty, and they just
- 9:42Speaker 5: cancer at each other. What's so funny about is how
- 9:44Speaker 5: frustrated Mariacchu's getting with this whole thing of like why
- 9:47Speaker 5: this is going on so long?
- 9:50Speaker 4: And then I think I'm trying to think how he
- 9:52Speaker 4: ends up ending it?
- 9:54Speaker 1: Oh yeah, he's he's This is one of my favorite
- 9:57Speaker 1: lines that Ben and I used to say. He says yeah,
- 10:01Speaker 1: and he snaps the guy's neck. There's a lot of
- 10:04Speaker 1: flying in the air, just a lot of flying in
- 10:06Speaker 1: the air. In this gunfight.
- 10:08Speaker 4: Yep.
- 10:09Speaker 5: Also it is very like you guys, I think Ben
- 10:11Speaker 5: said earlier, it is amazing how like it is very humorous,
- 10:15Speaker 5: Like it is very funny and not like it's not
- 10:18Speaker 5: like two over the top silly, but like it's just
- 10:20Speaker 5: enough humor to make it like like you were saying earlier,
- 10:23Speaker 5: with like the whole opening being like this very like big,
- 10:28Speaker 5: like it.
- 10:30Speaker 6: Has a comic book feel almost yes.
- 10:33Speaker 4: Yeah, very much so.
- 10:34Speaker 1: Yeah, And I said I said pro wrestling earlier. It's
- 10:37Speaker 1: a very pro wrestling feel, comic book feel. And the
- 10:40Speaker 1: accountant during their shootout kills Cheech the bartender, so he's dead,
- 10:45Speaker 1: and then he kills everybody. So he's just sort of
- 10:47Speaker 1: walking down the street. But there is one guy in
- 10:50Speaker 1: the back with the accountant who is the henchman for
- 10:54Speaker 1: Bucco who had suggested.
- 10:56Speaker 4: Tavo because he was Tavo.
- 11:00Speaker 1: He's the one that suggested killing the American tourists. So
- 11:03Speaker 1: Bendaris doesn't know that Tabo is still alive and is
- 11:06Speaker 1: starting to follow him down the street. Now what a
- 11:10Speaker 1: home run, perfect introduction to Salma Jayak's character in this moment, Ryan,
- 11:18Speaker 1: do you remember what happens?
- 11:19Speaker 4: I started laughing so hard with this happening.
- 11:24Speaker 5: So El Marriott's walking down the street and they just
- 11:28Speaker 5: cut to Salmahayak coming out of some building and some
- 11:32Speaker 5: guy's driving down the street checking her out, and he
- 11:34Speaker 5: just crashes into the car coming towards him.
- 11:36Speaker 4: It's just hilarious. It's just perfect. It's just absolutely perfect.
- 11:39Speaker 1: She crosses the street and causes a car accident because
- 11:41Speaker 1: she's that hot. Now I had assumed she was like
- 11:44Speaker 1: twenty four in this movie, she was older than I thought.
- 11:46Speaker 1: I just looked it up and she's almost thirty. I
- 11:48Speaker 1: think she's twenty nine. Oh wow, But mother of god,
- 11:54Speaker 1: I mean she's got a I'm not even kidding. Salma
- 11:57Speaker 1: Jayak in this movie is one of the hottest people
- 11:59Speaker 1: of all time.
- 12:00Speaker 4: Looks amazing.
- 12:02Speaker 1: Would you argue with that?
- 12:04Speaker 6: No, No, it's incredible. And I mean she's.
- 12:07Speaker 3: Obviously aged very well, because like when you said she's
- 12:09Speaker 3: she looks older in this she.
- 12:11Speaker 6: Is now I think almost sixty. And it's not about
- 12:17Speaker 6: to look.
- 12:17Speaker 1: At No, she's not. She's not ugly, I will say that.
- 12:22Speaker 1: And Quentin Tarantino, that fucking freak pervert, later worked on
- 12:28Speaker 1: a movie where he gets to suck on her feet.
- 12:33Speaker 4: Yeah.
- 12:34Speaker 5: Yeah, a lot of a lot of carryover to from
- 12:36Speaker 5: dust Dan from this movie, including.
- 12:38Speaker 1: Tavo, Yeah, Tavo, Danny Trey Hill.
- 12:41Speaker 4: Was in the band.
- 12:42Speaker 6: Yeah, Yeah, it's it's yeah, She's almost like a sequel
- 12:46Speaker 6: to this.
- 12:46Speaker 4: And it's like it kind of kind of really is.
- 12:50Speaker 1: I love that movie. I love from Dussell Dawn. We
- 12:53Speaker 1: should do that movie.
- 12:55Speaker 4: Yeah.
- 12:56Speaker 6: Agree.
- 12:56Speaker 5: I also really like this song. And also it was
- 12:58Speaker 5: kind of blown away that top is because he's in
- 13:01Speaker 5: the band in from Russell Donn is in a band
- 13:04Speaker 5: called Tito and Tarantula. This song playing during this whole
- 13:08Speaker 5: school e motion chase is sung by Tabo.
- 13:12Speaker 1: Okay I yeah, so Tarantino, we've talked about this. I'm
- 13:19Speaker 1: it's a miracle. Nothing happened to him during the Me
- 13:21Speaker 1: Too movement, which I've shocked by. But he is openly
- 13:24Speaker 1: really in defeat and he likes to feature feet in
- 13:27Speaker 1: his films. He featured Uma Therma's feet, Margot Roby's feet,
- 13:32Speaker 1: Margaret Qualley's feet, Salma Hayek's feet, who's the girl in
- 13:38Speaker 1: uh the.
- 13:40Speaker 4: Oh bridget Bridge.
- 13:44Speaker 1: Bridgefond his feet? And Jackie Brown, the girl in Grindhouse
- 13:48Speaker 1: he features her feet in the car.
- 13:51Speaker 4: Oh Sidney Potier.
- 13:53Speaker 1: Yeah, Sidney Portier.
- 13:56Speaker 4: It is his daughter and her name is Sidney Potier.
- 13:58Speaker 1: Oh wow, Okay. I was like, no, I don't think
- 14:00Speaker 1: it's him, Ryan. I would fucking love that though if
- 14:04Speaker 1: it was.
- 14:06Speaker 4: But turn the radio on. Yeah.
- 14:08Speaker 6: Tarantino just discussed me as a human to the.
- 14:11Speaker 3: Point where like even in this movie, when I watched that,
- 14:13Speaker 3: I was watching him he just seems like a sexually
- 14:17Speaker 3: a sexual deviant and a pervert.
- 14:19Speaker 4: Yea.
- 14:20Speaker 3: Even when he's telling a joke about beer, it just
- 14:22Speaker 3: his voice like makes my skin crawl, and I'm just like,
- 14:25Speaker 3: you're just a gross person.
- 14:27Speaker 1: Yeah, I really, you know. I love his movies, even
- 14:30Speaker 1: his recent movies. I think you're great. But as a guy,
- 14:34Speaker 1: I just I don't want to I don't like to
- 14:36Speaker 1: listen to him talk. I wouldn't want to be around him.
- 14:39Speaker 1: He just just know for me, and.
- 14:41Speaker 3: He's like recently he was like talking shit about Matthew Lillard.
- 14:45Speaker 3: It's just like Tarantino like why, like, why is it
- 14:49Speaker 3: well for you to shoot on Matthew Lillard.
- 14:52Speaker 1: Well, so he got a lot of shif for that.
- 14:54Speaker 1: I will say two things defending him, in that regard.
- 14:58Speaker 1: One is, everybody's afraid to be honest about anyone. So
- 15:03Speaker 1: I kind of like when an actor or director is
- 15:06Speaker 1: just like, yeah, I think this guy sucks. I just
- 15:09Speaker 1: it's just refreshing to me. But then the other thing
- 15:12Speaker 1: that I'll defend is he also shit all over Paul
- 15:14Speaker 1: Dano for being terribly overrated and a shitty actor. And
- 15:19Speaker 1: I agree that Paul Dano is terribly overrated and as
- 15:22Speaker 1: a shitty actor, he was awful, and of course the
- 15:25Speaker 1: fable means but yeah, the worse. He was awful in
- 15:30Speaker 1: The Batman, when he played the Riddler, he was awful that.
- 15:34Speaker 3: But like he's Matthew Lillard is down, like it just
- 15:38Speaker 3: kicking stuff all they're down, like there's just no need.
- 15:41Speaker 1: All right, Matthew Lillard's doing all right, He's.
- 15:45Speaker 5: Like why, like why we need? It's just like why
- 15:48Speaker 5: I get, like Tim, like I got what you're saying.
- 15:49Speaker 5: Where Like I like that someone could just be totally honest.
- 15:52Speaker 5: That's totally fine too. But also like I thought, as
- 15:54Speaker 5: Paul Daniel comments were flat out horse shit in my
- 15:56Speaker 5: personal opinion, that's especially for like there will be blood him,
- 15:59Speaker 5: Like are you serious?
- 16:00Speaker 4: Like really he I.
- 16:02Speaker 3: Mean, like I think like there's a certain times it's like,
- 16:05Speaker 3: if someone is ugly, are you being like bold and
- 16:09Speaker 3: honest by telling them they're ugly?
- 16:10Speaker 6: No, you're just kind of being mean and hurtful.
- 16:13Speaker 1: But Paul Daniel, I would say, is like a respected actor.
- 16:16Speaker 1: Maybe not Matthew w Yeah, that's why.
- 16:17Speaker 5: Yeah, But anyway, little r Nissance is coming. We're in it,
- 16:23Speaker 5: but it's coming harder.
- 16:24Speaker 1: No, he's still in I mean, this isn't recent, but
- 16:27Speaker 1: you know he was in the Descendants of George Clooney. Like,
- 16:29Speaker 1: he's still getting good work.
- 16:32Speaker 4: Life with Chuck. He was in a lot of stuff
- 16:35Speaker 4: last year.
- 16:36Speaker 1: He's back in the new Scream movie is Cyborgs Too,
- 16:38Speaker 1: which we talked about.
- 16:42Speaker 4: Let's not right.
- 16:44Speaker 1: Oh did you see the New Scream?
- 16:46Speaker 4: I did, absolutely, Yeah.
- 16:47Speaker 1: I heard it very bad. Was it bad?
- 16:50Speaker 4: I did not love it. Yeah.
- 16:51Speaker 5: It wasn't fun. And I think you guys would get
- 16:53Speaker 5: what I mean by that. It just wasn't fun.
- 16:55Speaker 6: I'm still gonna see it, but I haven't seen it.
- 16:56Speaker 6: I haven't seen it yet.
- 16:57Speaker 1: I haven't seen it because one high no.
- 17:01Speaker 4: No printing cash yep.
- 17:03Speaker 5: What Yeah, that's that's why I'm very surprised by because
- 17:08Speaker 5: it's that's the one thing I have to I don't
- 17:10Speaker 5: even care like about, Like, okay, hey, the killers weren't
- 17:12Speaker 5: really well founded.
- 17:13Speaker 4: Okay, sure, but like I it wasn't fun. I don't know.
- 17:18Speaker 4: That's my that's my big arc with it.
- 17:20Speaker 1: Okay, all right, So back to Desperado, Tonio Avandaras is
- 17:25Speaker 1: walking down the street. Tava pulls out a gun and
- 17:29Speaker 1: he almost shoots Salma Hayek who's walking by Antonio Avandaras,
- 17:33Speaker 1: but he saves her life by diving on her and
- 17:37Speaker 1: he gets shot in the arm. Then he like wrestles
- 17:40Speaker 1: Tabo to the ground and explodes his head and is
- 17:43Speaker 1: covered in blood. So Sama Jayak is like, let's go
- 17:48Speaker 1: back to my bookstore and I will fix your wound
- 17:51Speaker 1: because you saved my life. Meanwhile, Buccio arrives at the
- 17:55Speaker 1: Cheech Bar to see there's like fifty dead people in there,
- 17:59Speaker 1: so we know the Mariachi did this, and another great
- 18:02Speaker 1: moment with American tourists. So Buco is just standing in
- 18:05Speaker 1: the bar surrounded by fifty shot off corpses. There's like
- 18:10Speaker 1: an inch of blood on the floor, and these American
- 18:12Speaker 1: tourists walk in to get a beer and they just freeze,
- 18:15Speaker 1: and Butcho says, we're fucking closed.
- 18:18Speaker 5: How do you not book it when you see the
- 18:20Speaker 5: people on the ground, Like, how are you not like, hey,
- 18:21Speaker 5: we're out of here.
- 18:22Speaker 4: We'll just stand there and watch.
- 18:23Speaker 3: The dead people on the crowd and like you see,
- 18:27Speaker 3: you see like twenty dead people and like an obvious
- 18:29Speaker 3: drug lord wearing a white suit.
- 18:32Speaker 4: Really well dressed person.
- 18:33Speaker 1: Yeah, like that guy is. Yeah, So what is her
- 18:38Speaker 1: sort of role in this town? Ryan Samahai?
- 18:41Speaker 5: She's she's a she's a coffee shop and a library.
- 18:46Speaker 4: It's kind of her thing. Books, I'm sorry, books.
- 18:48Speaker 6: So there was never a bookstore in the town.
- 18:50Speaker 4: Yes, she kind of wanted to bring that there.
- 18:53Speaker 1: Yes, And she learned how to patch wounds from reading.
- 18:58Speaker 1: And he's like, why don't I just go to a
- 18:59Speaker 1: hostel and she says, you don't want to go to
- 19:01Speaker 1: a hospital to hear, which I thought, yes, that.
- 19:04Speaker 4: Seems very funny, very very funny.
- 19:08Speaker 1: So she removes the bullet and then puts a cigarette
- 19:10Speaker 1: out on the wound. Super classy. She starts going through
- 19:15Speaker 1: his guitar case and she finds a codpiece gun, which
- 19:20Speaker 1: is a penis gun. It's a gun you put over
- 19:23Speaker 1: your penis and it has a barrel and then two
- 19:27Speaker 1: the balls are two six shot what would you call that,
- 19:32Speaker 1: like the rotating part of a revolver. Yeah, and it's
- 19:36Speaker 1: never featured. It's never featured in the movie. And I
- 19:40Speaker 1: read that it was cut out because of the NC
- 19:42Speaker 1: seventeen rating.
- 19:44Speaker 6: It is it is from dusseln Yes, yes.
- 19:50Speaker 1: It is using from dssels On, Yes, but I was
- 19:52Speaker 1: really disappointed by that.
- 19:54Speaker 4: Also looking at it operationally, wasn't your heart work?
- 19:58Speaker 1: Yeah, I don't know, like how do you fire it
- 20:01Speaker 1: and what circumstance, But anyway.
- 20:05Speaker 6: Because like it's kind of like burn too, like oh.
- 20:08Speaker 1: Yeah, well there's a there was a thick leather pad
- 20:10Speaker 1: behind it. But if the like if the barrel's pointing
- 20:15Speaker 1: out a yeah, yeah, like do you just do you
- 20:20Speaker 1: walk in with just a visible erection? That's what everybody thinks,
- 20:24Speaker 1: But it's actually the gun.
- 20:26Speaker 4: I really do.
- 20:27Speaker 5: Like how it's not like to kind of show you
- 20:29Speaker 5: how thrown together this whole thing is with him because
- 20:31Speaker 5: like he kind of happenstanced into this role as the
- 20:34Speaker 5: kind of like mythical guy of how like he just
- 20:37Speaker 5: opened the guitar case and there's like grenades rolling around
- 20:39Speaker 5: in there.
- 20:39Speaker 4: There's just there's no like order or anything to this stuff.
- 20:42Speaker 4: I think it's so funny.
- 20:44Speaker 1: Yes, so very Mexican move because the Mexicans, much like
- 20:48Speaker 1: the Irish, are ridiculously Catholic. So after he murders fifty
- 20:53Speaker 1: people on this bar and he gets patched up by
- 20:55Speaker 1: Samahaiakca's like, I gotta go to church. So he goes
- 20:58Speaker 1: to church to go to confession, and he uh, I
- 21:03Speaker 1: wrote this down. He sits down and says, bless me Father,
- 21:07Speaker 1: for I have just killed quite a few men. And
- 21:13Speaker 1: Ben and I also love this moment. So instead of
- 21:16Speaker 1: a priest, because it was one of those confession like, Ben,
- 21:19Speaker 1: you don't know this not being Catholic, I assume, But
- 21:22Speaker 1: the way that it is in the movies, we're like,
- 21:24Speaker 1: it's always a wooden booth where you go in to
- 21:27Speaker 1: confession and you're by yourself and on the other side
- 21:31Speaker 1: there's a priest, but there's like a window partition with
- 21:34Speaker 1: sort of like uh screen netting, so you can't even
- 21:38Speaker 1: really see the priest. To give the idea of anonymity.
- 21:41Speaker 1: Anytime I ever went to confession, it was not like
- 21:43Speaker 1: that at all. Right, have you been did you do
- 21:46Speaker 1: confession at all?
- 21:48Speaker 5: We had to. You had to do it. What year
- 21:49Speaker 5: is it, like second or third grade? And it was
- 21:51Speaker 5: good to fit face to face.
- 21:53Speaker 1: Yes, you had to just sit. You're sitting face to
- 21:55Speaker 1: face in like a small room in folding chairs, looking
- 21:58Speaker 1: at the priest.
- 22:00Speaker 4: Yeah, it was that. Yeah, it's horrifying. Yeah. I told
- 22:05Speaker 4: my friends that I found an axe and it wasn't.
- 22:09Speaker 3: I always kind of like the idea of confession. It's
- 22:11Speaker 3: just like you can do anything and then just say you're.
- 22:13Speaker 1: Sorry for it, and well, no, if you truly are sorry,
- 22:16Speaker 1: that's you know. Obviously I hate Catholicism with a fiery passion,
- 22:19Speaker 1: but that's one of the best things about Catholicism is
- 22:22Speaker 1: if you are truly sorry, you can murder your son.
- 22:26Speaker 1: And if you're truly sorry, you can be forgiven and
- 22:29Speaker 1: go to Heaven. And I think that gives people so
- 22:32Speaker 1: much hope, because like, if you do something that you
- 22:35Speaker 1: think I can't be redeemed for this, then why even try?
- 22:39Speaker 3: Yeah, And I think, like, I mean, so much has
- 22:45Speaker 3: been the last twenty years focused on like the gay
- 22:48Speaker 3: issue and stuff, but Catholicism really is like a very
- 22:52Speaker 3: progressive liberal religion at its core.
- 22:54Speaker 1: I think, well, if you look at the teachings of Jesus, yes,
- 23:01Speaker 1: he's like friends with prostitutes, give all your money away,
- 23:04Speaker 1: never be violent. But I think no Christian religion in
- 23:08Speaker 1: twenty twenty six is liberal really. I mean maybe like
- 23:14Speaker 1: episcopaal you know, there are brand there are there are exceptions,
- 23:17Speaker 1: but I don't know, like like Catholics absolutely hate abortion,
- 23:24Speaker 1: but they also want.
- 23:26Speaker 6: Those two issues. But if you take those two issues
- 23:28Speaker 6: off the table, it's a very progressive religion.
- 23:31Speaker 1: Fair. Fair, Yeah, that's because the abortion thing is related
- 23:35Speaker 1: to the gay thing, because they will they won't give
- 23:38Speaker 1: money to certain adoption charities if they allow gay people
- 23:42Speaker 1: to adopt, because abortion is bad, but so is being gay.
- 23:46Speaker 1: So we can't help you if you want to keep
- 23:49Speaker 1: your child but possibly give it to a gay person.
- 23:53Speaker 1: But also the thing I love about Catholicism is you know,
- 23:56Speaker 1: if you're a psychologist or even an attorney, you are
- 24:00Speaker 1: legally obligated if like, if you tell your psychologists I'm
- 24:04Speaker 1: going to kill my friend Ben, they are legally obligated
- 24:10Speaker 1: to call the police and write on you. Same with
- 24:12Speaker 1: an attorney if you're gonna do something in the future,
- 24:16Speaker 1: like so whatever you tell a priest and confession, no
- 24:20Speaker 1: matter what, according to the teachings of the Catholic Church,
- 24:24Speaker 1: they cannot share with anyone or they can risk being
- 24:26Speaker 1: excommunicated from the church. That is hardcore. So it is
- 24:31Speaker 1: beyond the trust of an attorney or a psychologist.
- 24:36Speaker 4: That's why I actually went there.
- 24:39Speaker 1: Yeah, but I remember just being like, oh, I was
- 24:41Speaker 1: mean to my parents.
- 24:42Speaker 4: I had I.
- 24:44Speaker 1: Think I said like I had sexual thoughts about someone.
- 24:46Speaker 1: I don't remember what I said, but it was so awkward.
- 24:49Speaker 1: I remember we had to go on high school because
- 24:51Speaker 1: I went to a Catholic school, and I kind of
- 24:55Speaker 1: thought it was amusing because already then like I really
- 24:58Speaker 1: wasn't Catholic. But I remember saying to the priest and
- 25:01Speaker 1: at priests are like people. It's like some of them are.
- 25:03Speaker 1: We talked about this in Night of the Seven Kingdoms.
- 25:05Speaker 1: Some lords are great people, some lords are pieces of shit.
- 25:09Speaker 1: I remember having a priest it was like really cool
- 25:12Speaker 1: and confession one time and was really nice and understanding,
- 25:15Speaker 1: and then I remember one priest was just like a
- 25:17Speaker 1: just a nerd and very harsh and I said to
- 25:20Speaker 1: him in high school at confession because I thought it
- 25:23Speaker 1: was amusing. I confess the sin of masturbating to the
- 25:27Speaker 1: priest and he was like, yeah, you can't. You can't masturbate,
- 25:30Speaker 1: Like that's definitely a soon never masturbate no matter what. AnyWho.
- 25:36Speaker 1: So Ben and I love this line where it's revealed
- 25:39Speaker 1: when he says I've killed many men today. It's revealed
- 25:42Speaker 1: it's not a priest, it's actually Steve. You send me
- 25:44Speaker 1: and he says and response, no shit. I find it
- 25:50Speaker 1: fascinating that when they exit the church there's a statue
- 25:53Speaker 1: of an angel that is in front of the church,
- 25:55Speaker 1: but which is very common, but the angel is uh backfacing,
- 26:01Speaker 1: so it's facing the wall of the church and you
- 26:03Speaker 1: it's you see it's back I thought that was a
- 26:06Speaker 1: very odd Did you notice that.
- 26:10Speaker 4: I did not? Oh wow?
- 26:13Speaker 1: And and Steve was like you you you cause the
- 26:16Speaker 1: blood bath, you did everything you weren't going to do.
- 26:19Speaker 1: This is you said you weren't going to do. This
- 26:21Speaker 1: is not good. And then it cuts to Butcho and
- 26:24Speaker 1: apparently Butcho has a boss because Butcho gets a phone
- 26:28Speaker 1: call and he seems very nervous and he's like I'm
- 26:31Speaker 1: gonna take care of it. But I thought it was
- 26:34Speaker 1: very interesting when Butcho was talking to his boss. Now,
- 26:37Speaker 1: this could just be because this is for American audiences
- 26:40Speaker 1: and I'm overthinking it. But when Butcho was talking to
- 26:43Speaker 1: his boss, he's speaking English, So I thought, oh, maybe, like,
- 26:47Speaker 1: is this saying that, you know, in a roundabout way,
- 26:51Speaker 1: like all this Mexican bad drug people, it's actually other
- 26:56Speaker 1: countries are influencing and controlling that, possibly in the United States.
- 27:02Speaker 4: I don't know. Maybe I'm just.
- 27:04Speaker 1: Yeah, maybe I'm told maybe I'm totally overthinking this.
- 27:08Speaker 6: I mean, that's definitely true.
- 27:09Speaker 3: I think I think that's just factually true that America
- 27:12Speaker 3: is the like America is the cause of the drug
- 27:16Speaker 3: trade in Mexico. But they also talk about the Colombians
- 27:20Speaker 3: a lot. So I thought the Colombians were his boss.
- 27:23Speaker 1: But the Colombians would speak to him in Spanish.
- 27:26Speaker 6: Yeah, but I don't maybe they just just you can
- 27:28Speaker 6: understand what he's saying.
- 27:29Speaker 4: I don't know, Yeah, that could be.
- 27:30Speaker 5: I wonder I think of the I did too, of like,
- 27:33Speaker 5: because but always been built up to be the big
- 27:35Speaker 5: villain of this, like you need to show that he
- 27:38Speaker 5: is he is somehow intimidated by somebody else, and maybe
- 27:42Speaker 5: they thought maybe like English speaking audiences or American audiences
- 27:45Speaker 5: wouldn't really compute that of that wouldn't resonate if it
- 27:48Speaker 5: was not in English.
- 27:49Speaker 4: I don't know, maybe that's just preaching.
- 27:51Speaker 1: And Bucco's boss is like, you cannot you don't have
- 27:54Speaker 1: a handle on this. So I'm sending an assassin that
- 27:57Speaker 1: we have worked with before and and he's going to
- 28:01Speaker 1: come kill El Mariachi AND's like, no, you know, that's
- 28:07Speaker 1: that's that's not necessary. But also we're introducing to to
- 28:12Speaker 1: Bucho's limo, which is great. Cho is a bulletproof, bulletproof
- 28:17Speaker 1: limo that he especially ordered. And I thought that the
- 28:21Speaker 1: sun roof flipping up and being used as a shield
- 28:24Speaker 1: is awesome.
- 28:26Speaker 4: Mm hmm.
- 28:27Speaker 1: And do you remember how he tests out the durability
- 28:31Speaker 1: of the sun roof.
- 28:33Speaker 6: He shoots at it while Sele's right there.
- 28:34Speaker 1: Well, so well, his I call a mustache man. He
- 28:37Speaker 1: has like this big, this big burly dude with a
- 28:41Speaker 1: mustache and a cowboy hat. He shoots him to see
- 28:44Speaker 1: if the window will work, and he's like, oh, it works.
- 28:47Speaker 6: That guy gets on.
- 28:48Speaker 3: That guy gets on by and Bo's nerves throughout the
- 28:51Speaker 3: entire movie. So his fade I think is fair.
- 28:55Speaker 1: Yes, so when so so his buddy like, I don't
- 28:59Speaker 1: know who it was was it was his like second
- 29:01Speaker 1: in command.
- 29:02Speaker 4: You know that guy right hand in the credits, right.
- 29:05Speaker 1: Hand, so his right hand. He goes, take my take
- 29:08Speaker 1: my limo, go into town, find the guitar player. Then
- 29:13Speaker 1: he gets the call from his boss, we're sending an assassin.
- 29:15Speaker 1: So he asked Mustache Man, what, okay, I need to
- 29:18Speaker 1: I need to call the guy that just left and say,
- 29:20Speaker 1: but on the lookout for this guy's description because it's
- 29:24Speaker 1: actually my boss sent him, So don't kill that guy.
- 29:26Speaker 1: What's the number for the phone in my limo because
- 29:29Speaker 1: this is before cell phones, And Mustache Man says, I
- 29:32Speaker 1: don't know, and Butcho's annoyed, and he says, yeah, no
- 29:41Speaker 1: one knows the number in my car. Anyways, So who
- 29:44Speaker 1: is the assassin that Bucho's boss sends Ryan.
- 29:49Speaker 5: It is uh Danny trejoe as Navajas is his name
- 29:53Speaker 5: in the in the Wikipedia. And he spent the entire
- 29:58Speaker 5: time kind.
- 29:58Speaker 1: Of yeah, and why don't you explain his vibe is
- 30:01Speaker 1: outfit and what happens at this.
- 30:04Speaker 7: Point, Uh outfoot is shirtless, black leather vests, black black
- 30:12Speaker 7: leather pants, and he just has throwing knives is his.
- 30:14Speaker 1: Weapon, crucifix throwing knives, and he's pretty good with them, and.
- 30:24Speaker 4: He this is when they go, this is wait until later. Oh,
- 30:27Speaker 4: it's way later in never Mind.
- 30:28Speaker 1: Okay, sorry, well no, this is a major character is.
- 30:34Speaker 4: Oh, I'm sorry, it's right, he's that's right. I thought
- 30:36Speaker 4: this was later.
- 30:37Speaker 5: So he's following Biskemy and Mariachi.
- 30:42Speaker 4: He ends up killing.
- 30:44Speaker 5: Biskemy and the limo of or the new car for
- 30:51Speaker 5: Boujos pulls up with his crew in it. Uh Danny
- 30:56Speaker 5: Trey Hill just demolishes this team with knives everything.
- 31:00Speaker 1: Do they think he's the Mariachi or do they think
- 31:02Speaker 1: that he's just a problematic.
- 31:04Speaker 5: Yes, they think, And then they think because Mariachi is
- 31:08Speaker 5: also hit by the knives and he's pretty critically wounded.
- 31:11Speaker 4: So he's running away.
- 31:13Speaker 5: From Novajas and he hides behind that thing. When he
- 31:17Speaker 5: hides behind in that alley, that's when they pull up
- 31:20Speaker 5: and they see Novajas and they assume because all the
- 31:24Speaker 5: only description, even in El Mariachi and in Esperado, of
- 31:27Speaker 5: him is that he just wears black and he has
- 31:29Speaker 5: a guitar case.
- 31:30Speaker 3: And also it also just kind doesn't matter because Bo's
- 31:32Speaker 3: orders would kill anyone.
- 31:34Speaker 4: You don't know.
- 31:35Speaker 1: Yeah, that's true, that's true. Buto's like, go around the town.
- 31:38Speaker 1: If you see anybody who don't recognize, kill them.
- 31:41Speaker 4: Yeah.
- 31:42Speaker 5: So they pull over and there's like six people in
- 31:45Speaker 5: this car and they all are just trying to.
- 31:47Speaker 4: Demolish Treyjo and he just wrecks this car.
- 31:52Speaker 5: And I just love the idea of him, like just
- 31:54Speaker 5: climbing in the back of the car and going through
- 31:56Speaker 5: the sunroof and just throwing the knives into the sun
- 31:58Speaker 5: roof was just reat. And he is eventually just shot
- 32:05Speaker 5: by broken leg guy who goes nowhere.
- 32:08Speaker 4: I don't think ever appears after this again.
- 32:10Speaker 1: No, he does, he does. But broken leg dude, Broken
- 32:13Speaker 1: leg dude, and Butcho's girlfriend killed Danny Shrejoe.
- 32:16Speaker 5: Yes, yes, And then Mariacchi finds the kid. There's just
- 32:22Speaker 5: been kid that Mariacchi's been seeing around town, and he
- 32:27Speaker 5: follows the kid to kind of go into hiding. He
- 32:29Speaker 5: sees the kid's smuggling drugs for his dad and the
- 32:32Speaker 5: guitars that the kid's been playing, and the kid drops
- 32:35Speaker 5: a huge bomb saying that why are you making a
- 32:39Speaker 5: big deal out of this? Everyone does this, This is
- 32:41Speaker 5: how this works, and you should ask Carolina because she does.
- 32:45Speaker 4: This too, and Mariacchi is enraged. Yeah.
- 32:49Speaker 1: Yes, So everybody in the town is helping Bucho, including Salamahayak.
- 32:52Speaker 1: Who's Carolina they bring? So they bring Danny Trejo's corpse
- 32:57Speaker 1: to Bucho and they're like, look, we got the guy.
- 33:00Speaker 1: And Bucho's on the phone with his boss and he says, so,
- 33:03Speaker 1: what's the description of the assassin you sent? Okay, he's shirtless, woman,
- 33:07Speaker 1: female tattoo, he carries throwing knives, he's wearing all black. Yeah, okay,
- 33:12Speaker 1: if we see him, I'll definitely let you know. So
- 33:18Speaker 1: benderis El Mariachi goes to confront Carolina and he's like,
- 33:23Speaker 1: do you take money from Buco? And she's like, I
- 33:26Speaker 1: run a bookstore in this town. How do you think
- 33:28Speaker 1: I survived? And he asks how much money are you're
- 33:31Speaker 1: taking and she says fifty thousand dollars a year And
- 33:35Speaker 1: she's basically just like she'll hold onto a package for
- 33:37Speaker 1: a little bit and then somebody will come pick it up.
- 33:39Speaker 1: So I did the inflation calculation and this was shocking
- 33:45Speaker 1: to me. So nineteen ninety five, fifty thousand dollars a
- 33:49Speaker 1: year is in twenty twenty six one hundred and seven thousand.
- 33:52Speaker 4: Wow, So it's more than that.
- 33:54Speaker 3: Also, like stopped a Maria, Mexico, so it's I doubt
- 33:58Speaker 3: the cost of living is very high in that town.
- 34:01Speaker 1: Yes, so he's he's very badly injured because he got
- 34:05Speaker 1: stabbed a bunch of times with throwing knives from Danny
- 34:08Speaker 1: trejou El Mariachi. So he's like he's arguing with her
- 34:13Speaker 1: in the bookstore and then she says hide and he
- 34:16Speaker 1: dies behind the cash register, and Butcho comes in, and
- 34:20Speaker 1: Butcho kisses her on the lips, and I'm like, he
- 34:25Speaker 1: obviously has fucked her, Like obviously if you're Carolina, if
- 34:29Speaker 1: if you're Buco, so you run this whole area of
- 34:33Speaker 1: Mexico and you're like the hottest woman in probably the
- 34:39Speaker 1: entire country at the time. Maybe Selena was Selena still
- 34:43Speaker 1: alive Ryan.
- 34:45Speaker 4: In ninety five?
- 34:46Speaker 5: Yeah, I don't think so, because I think this in
- 34:48Speaker 5: the movie is the movie ninety five.
- 34:51Speaker 1: I have a very hot take. So everybody talks about
- 34:54Speaker 1: Jennifer Lopez's butt. I saw Selena Selena's but is better
- 34:58Speaker 1: than Jennifer Lopez's butt. Selena was like, damn, Selena is
- 35:03Speaker 1: what died in ninety five?
- 35:05Speaker 4: Okay this was before.
- 35:09Speaker 1: Yeah, but anyways, so he definitely was banging her. There's
- 35:14Speaker 1: no way that he was not banging her.
- 35:16Speaker 6: He all, but he makes reference to it later.
- 35:19Speaker 1: Yeah, yeah, yeah, so.
- 35:23Speaker 4: I love this whole like slow, yeah, yeah, explain Ryan.
- 35:29Speaker 5: Butcho's like sitting there and kind of like threatening her
- 35:33Speaker 5: in a weird way, being like have you seen this
- 35:34Speaker 5: guy he's around and she's like, I don't know what
- 35:37Speaker 5: you're talking about. And he's kind of just very like
- 35:40Speaker 5: playfully asking if she's seen this person and whatever, and
- 35:45Speaker 5: behind the bar, Mariacchi thinks like, okay, this is gonna
- 35:49Speaker 5: be like this is gonna go down, and he's just
- 35:51Speaker 5: slowly realizes like his gun's out of bullets.
- 35:54Speaker 4: He's trying to reload the gun.
- 35:56Speaker 5: Every click and beat the gun makes, he's trying to
- 35:58Speaker 5: slowly paste it out so it doesn't make a lot
- 36:00Speaker 5: enough noise.
- 36:01Speaker 4: It's really funny.
- 36:02Speaker 1: Yes, yes, excuse me, I just was burping. So he
- 36:12Speaker 1: uh he doesn't do anything.
- 36:16Speaker 4: You what did you put money in the jar?
- 36:19Speaker 1: Oh yeah, burp jar. That's that's a debt for me.
- 36:24Speaker 1: But I know it was rude. It's disgusting.
- 36:27Speaker 5: You Ven charged me seven hundred dollars last Sunday about
- 36:30Speaker 5: three am for burn jar back back, which that was odd.
- 36:33Speaker 1: Yeah, no, and you and you did it as you should.
- 36:36Speaker 4: But I was like, he's probably right.
- 36:39Speaker 1: He's probably right. So seven cho leaves and then Benderis,
- 36:48Speaker 1: who just loaded his gun, is so angry he puts
- 36:52Speaker 1: it on the counter and then spins it and discuss
- 36:54Speaker 1: and I'm like, that's pretty dangerous.
- 36:58Speaker 4: That's your fir guy whose hand doesn't work too great.
- 37:00Speaker 4: It's kind of a little concerning.
- 37:01Speaker 1: Yeah, yeah, so they go upstairs. Well, no, you're gonna
- 37:05Speaker 1: say something, Ryan.
- 37:06Speaker 5: I like the wedding parade thing. That was pretty interesting too.
- 37:08Speaker 5: I like that that small moment with Boo, yeah, explain.
- 37:13Speaker 5: It's just like it's that whole like weird, like gross
- 37:16Speaker 5: power move of like the wet There's a wedding parade
- 37:18Speaker 5: coming down the street and Caroline is outside watching it,
- 37:21Speaker 5: and he just walks over to the bride and like
- 37:23Speaker 5: kisses her and gives them like a thousand dollars in cash,
- 37:27Speaker 5: and they're kind of like, oh, this guy just truly
- 37:28Speaker 5: owns this town, like there's just know nothing about it.
- 37:31Speaker 1: Yeah, everybody loves boo.
- 37:34Speaker 4: That's your uh, that's your shirt.
- 37:38Speaker 1: So then Daris is laying in bed because he needed
- 37:43Speaker 1: medical treatment from all the stab wounds. And I remember
- 37:47Speaker 1: a note I think male body dysmorphia is worse now.
- 37:49Speaker 1: I think female body dys morphia has always been bad
- 37:53Speaker 1: for probably centuries, and it's still horrible, maybe even worse.
- 37:58Speaker 1: But I feel like there's no way he couldn't be
- 38:02Speaker 1: at least a little jacked now. And he's just when
- 38:06Speaker 1: he's laying shirtless in bed with her getting medical care,
- 38:10Speaker 1: he just looks like a somewhat thin guy, Like he
- 38:13Speaker 1: doesn't really look like he works at all.
- 38:18Speaker 5: I think, I mean it kind of like makes sense
- 38:21Speaker 5: though for like, I know, this movie doesn't really sell
- 38:23Speaker 5: it too well because he's like an incredible gunfighter, but
- 38:26Speaker 5: like the first movie is literally he's like, I have
- 38:28Speaker 5: never held the gun in my life. I have no
- 38:29Speaker 5: idea how the shit works.
- 38:32Speaker 1: Yeah, he doesn't need to be jacked. I mean he
- 38:35Speaker 1: shoots people, but Chucky, what the fuck are you doing,
- 38:40Speaker 1: I'm gonna squirt you.
- 38:44Speaker 6: Stop it, Okay, But.
- 38:48Speaker 1: He doesn't need to be jacked, but you can't. You
- 38:51Speaker 1: just can't get The only person I can think of
- 38:52Speaker 1: is Kuana Reeves, who's like, weirdly, he kind of was
- 38:56Speaker 1: jacked in like point break, but he's not jacked anymore.
- 38:59Speaker 1: And John Way. But I feel like all these guys now, like,
- 39:03Speaker 1: who's the guy who was playing a nerd in Silicon
- 39:07Speaker 1: Valley and then he became part of the MCU and
- 39:09Speaker 1: he's ripped now, Oh come on on, Johnny, Yeah exactly,
- 39:14Speaker 1: and all these all these actors are on TRT or worse.
- 39:18Speaker 1: I just feel like, you can't. They all do the
- 39:20Speaker 1: chicken broccoli rice thing, and I feel like it was
- 39:23Speaker 1: just jarring to me to see. It's kind of like
- 39:26Speaker 1: when you see John Hamm, because John Hamm as Don
- 39:29Speaker 1: Draper is such a masculine figure. When you see him
- 39:33Speaker 1: and with no shirt on in the show, it's very underwhelming,
- 39:36Speaker 1: and it's like, of course Don Draper wouldn't be jacked.
- 39:38Speaker 1: What about Don Draper would ever make him jacked in
- 39:42Speaker 1: a million years, But it just seems like he should be,
- 39:44Speaker 1: you know what I mean? Yeah, No, I feel you
- 39:48Speaker 1: in Instagram? Social media culture does not help in any way.
- 39:54Speaker 1: So she's like, hey, you have no shirt on, why
- 39:59Speaker 1: don't you Why don't I cuddle up in your arm
- 40:02Speaker 1: and you can maybe play me a little song? And
- 40:05Speaker 1: I wrote I would not know what to do here.
- 40:07Speaker 1: I would be so frozen in terror. If Selma Hayek
- 40:11Speaker 1: at twenty nine years old did that, I'd be like,
- 40:13Speaker 1: is this some sort of trick?
- 40:16Speaker 4: I'm like, how many how many books do you guys
- 40:18Speaker 4: have here? What's the what's the count? Yeah? And never
- 40:24Speaker 4: come out? Yeah, so jammed.
- 40:28Speaker 1: Sh you pretend to get stuck in the bathroom.
- 40:33Speaker 4: To avoid second exactly complete panic.
- 40:39Speaker 1: Ben's like, not me, man, it would be the night
- 40:43Speaker 1: of her life. But she makes the first move. She
- 40:47Speaker 1: kisses him and they make sweet, sweet passionate love.
- 40:53Speaker 6: Carolina, you sure do.
- 40:56Speaker 1: There's a lot of great moments in this. One of
- 41:00Speaker 1: my favorites was there's a side profile of her butt
- 41:04Speaker 1: and he slowly runs as four play slowly runs the
- 41:07Speaker 1: spur of his boot up and down her butt. There
- 41:15Speaker 1: is a scene where it's obviously a body double because
- 41:21Speaker 1: why would they not show her face? But there's a
- 41:23Speaker 1: scene where they show Samahaik topless, but she's looking up
- 41:28Speaker 1: and you can't see her face. So I am ninety
- 41:30Speaker 1: nine percent sure without doing any research that that was
- 41:33Speaker 1: a body double because why would they not show her face?
- 41:36Speaker 1: But my whole life I told myself it was really her.
- 41:42Speaker 1: But whether it was a body double or not, looks
- 41:45Speaker 1: fent phenomenal and the scenes that are her where they
- 41:50Speaker 1: don't show everything, but you know she's nude in the scene.
- 41:54Speaker 1: Just if you haven't seen this movie before, it's on Netflix. Actually,
- 41:57Speaker 1: I like, never in the history of the Fox.
- 42:01Speaker 6: Netflix yeah bought it. I bought it today. Goddam no.
- 42:05Speaker 1: I don't blame you for that. But in the history
- 42:07Speaker 1: of the fucking podcast, never ever has a movie been
- 42:11Speaker 1: on Netflix that we're gonna cover. And I'm like, why
- 42:13Speaker 1: does Netflix exist? It's the original streaming service and it
- 42:17Speaker 1: never has any of the movies I want to watch.
- 42:19Speaker 1: So when I started Desperado and it was like, oh,
- 42:21Speaker 1: it's on Netflix right now, it.
- 42:22Speaker 5: Is like what it's leaving in four minutes, it's noon
- 42:26Speaker 5: that day, It's gone.
- 42:27Speaker 4: Yeah, yeah, but it is.
- 42:32Speaker 5: This is what I was saying earlier. This scene was
- 42:34Speaker 5: not this movie. I guarantee getting out writing and be fine.
- 42:37Speaker 1: Yeah, well they knew what they were doing, because like,
- 42:40Speaker 1: why not include this scene? I thought it was fantastic,
- 42:43Speaker 1: just juxtaposed with immediately following this.
- 42:50Speaker 4: Well, go ahead, Ryan, go ahead too.
- 42:52Speaker 5: I thought this was completely ride with This was actually
- 42:54Speaker 5: just really funny. It just cuts to Butcho and he
- 42:57Speaker 5: is hooking up with his with with Zumera is her name,
- 43:01Speaker 5: he says her name.
- 43:03Speaker 1: I thought it was a different woman, is different person, Okay,
- 43:07Speaker 1: because I don't I don't. I doubt that. Buto is
- 43:09Speaker 1: very faithful.
- 43:11Speaker 4: I would. I guess that's true. So it's not a
- 43:12Speaker 4: little person.
- 43:14Speaker 5: He's staring into space and he just does not look
- 43:18Speaker 5: interested at all, And it's just the complete opposite of
- 43:20Speaker 5: the past like heat you were seeing earlier.
- 43:23Speaker 4: And he just fitted the phone. He's smoking.
- 43:26Speaker 5: He blows like they're kissing, and he blows the smoke
- 43:28Speaker 5: into her mouth and she kind of coughs and runs
- 43:31Speaker 5: away and he just calls and he.
- 43:36Speaker 4: And he just goes he's in the bookstore.
- 43:39Speaker 5: I wanted to ask you guys, this this is one
- 43:41Speaker 5: thing I had a hard time with.
- 43:43Speaker 1: Wait, hold on, hold on one second, Sorry about that,
- 43:47Speaker 1: Go ahead, Ryan.
- 43:48Speaker 5: No, I was just gonna say that. This is the
- 43:50Speaker 5: one thing I thought was like a little bit funky.
- 43:53Speaker 5: It was like, I really didn't buy that Boucho thought
- 43:58Speaker 5: that the.
- 43:59Speaker 4: Mariachi was in the bookstore.
- 44:00Speaker 5: I know, because she threw the rightistay on the ground
- 44:02Speaker 5: and we thought it was like ridiculous. But I was like,
- 44:05Speaker 5: what other hunch does he have about this? Yeah, I
- 44:09Speaker 5: mean it's like he's seen them together with that at all.
- 44:10Speaker 4: It's just I don't know. To me, I thought it
- 44:12Speaker 4: was kind of I don't know, just I don't know.
- 44:15Speaker 3: I look at as one of the things that doesn't
- 44:17Speaker 3: really make sense, but I don't I don't really care.
- 44:19Speaker 6: It's just whatever.
- 44:20Speaker 1: Uh. Yeah, I slightly disagree. I agree that doesn't make
- 44:24Speaker 1: sense because there's no evidence. But I thought that, like,
- 44:28Speaker 1: Bucho's clearly a mastermind in a sense to be this
- 44:33Speaker 1: successful at the cartel game. I imagine you have to
- 44:36Speaker 1: be like smart and strategic to be that way. So
- 44:40Speaker 1: I think he just got.
- 44:40Speaker 4: A vibe idiots. Yeah, I think he just got hot.
- 44:44Speaker 1: By talking to Carolina in the bookstore, and I thought
- 44:47Speaker 1: that was very cool. Where he talks around the bookstore,
- 44:49Speaker 1: he thinks about it, he's at home then he makes
- 44:52Speaker 1: a phone call. I know he's in the bookstore. I
- 44:54Speaker 1: thought that was kind of cool personally. But okay, so
- 45:01Speaker 1: again like, don't befriend El Mariachi. It's not going to
- 45:05Speaker 1: go well for your life. So Butcho says, he's in
- 45:09Speaker 1: the bookstore. I'm sure of it. Kill them both. This
- 45:13Speaker 1: scene I always remembered Ben when Samahayak is singing yes
- 45:20Speaker 1: and the guys couple explain, like describe the visual of
- 45:23Speaker 1: the scene.
- 45:25Speaker 3: So she's singing to him with his guitar and she's
- 45:30Speaker 3: sitting he's still laying in bed. She's sitting on the
- 45:32Speaker 3: bed like in front of him, and he sees two
- 45:35Speaker 3: guys both kind of circling behind the curtains behind it
- 45:38Speaker 3: like the apartments, and he's following them with his guns,
- 45:41Speaker 3: like he's kind of just tracing their movement with his guns.
- 45:45Speaker 3: And then eventually when they cross paths, he kicks Amahayak
- 45:50Speaker 3: down off the bed or she opens her eyes and
- 45:53Speaker 3: sees two guns pointing at her, but immediately he just
- 45:57Speaker 3: kicks her down and just starts shooting. He kills both
- 46:00Speaker 3: those guys. There's a few more, and.
- 46:02Speaker 6: Then he basically just says like Samahayaka, she's down. She
- 46:05Speaker 6: gets it. We're gonna get the fuck out of here.
- 46:08Speaker 6: So they run to the rooftop and they escape.
- 46:17Speaker 3: There's several other like jumping. He jumps across the roof
- 46:20Speaker 3: while shooting people. They burn the bookstore down.
- 46:25Speaker 1: Yeah, that's that's a Butcho idea, what should we do
- 46:27Speaker 1: with the bookstore? It's a bookstore.
- 46:28Speaker 4: Burn it.
- 46:29Speaker 1: It's made of paper. That's smart.
- 46:31Speaker 4: Yeah.
- 46:31Speaker 1: He jumps backwards from one building to another, and while
- 46:34Speaker 1: he's shooting. I really liked a little moment where they're
- 46:37Speaker 1: running up the stairwell and she kills the guy, and
- 46:41Speaker 1: then the guy like collapses and is falling down the
- 46:43Speaker 1: stairs and as he passes Antonio Venderas, Antonio Vnderas just
- 46:47Speaker 1: shoots him as he's going by, Like why not?
- 46:51Speaker 3: Yeah, And then they get to like a final like
- 46:56Speaker 3: refuge and Bucho's like driving to the bookstore.
- 47:01Speaker 6: He gets out of his car and Mariacci has.
- 47:07Speaker 3: Like a sniper pistol basically like a pistol with a
- 47:09Speaker 3: scope yep, and he has a clear shot on Butcho
- 47:15Speaker 3: doesn't doesn't explain it right now, but he decides not
- 47:18Speaker 3: to shoot him, and samahaik gets like, what the fuck.
- 47:22Speaker 1: Yeah, he's gonna kill me. Why you have your shot?
- 47:25Speaker 1: Why aren't you taking it? And clearly he recognizes him
- 47:28Speaker 1: to some capacity. He recognizes Butcho, Butcho kills mustache Man.
- 47:33Speaker 1: He says, it's not hard. What I told you is
- 47:35Speaker 1: not hard. I said, go into town. If you see
- 47:37Speaker 1: anybody who don't recognize kill them, like for example, I
- 47:40Speaker 1: could say I don't recognize you. And then he pulls
- 47:42Speaker 1: out a gun and kills mustache Man.
- 47:46Speaker 4: We should say too.
- 47:48Speaker 5: During that action scene is the very famous grenade explosion,
- 47:53Speaker 5: the two of them walking off in the fire as
- 47:55Speaker 5: the hottest couple in movie history.
- 47:57Speaker 1: Yes, that that that.
- 48:00Speaker 4: It is the iconic image.
- 48:02Speaker 1: Yeah, and it's it's important the sexinists and Antonio Manderas
- 48:08Speaker 1: because like white American women were obsessed with Antonio Manderas's
- 48:13Speaker 1: Spanish sexinists in the nineties.
- 48:18Speaker 4: You gotta think this is nineteen ninety five.
- 48:22Speaker 5: Not many leading men or women are Spanish or Latin
- 48:27Speaker 5: American anyway in terms of like this level of success,
- 48:31Speaker 5: and your two leads in this movie are Latin American actors.
- 48:36Speaker 5: It's pretty interesting.
- 48:37Speaker 3: Well, and not you know, not all Latin American accents
- 48:41Speaker 3: are equal, Like, I don't think John Leguizamo elicits the
- 48:45Speaker 3: same kind of feelings.
- 48:46Speaker 6: From women when he speaks yep.
- 48:50Speaker 3: Antonio Manderus in particular just has just the you know,
- 48:56Speaker 3: classic cliche just romantic Spanish accent.
- 49:00Speaker 6: It's almost like Spanish as opposed to Mexican.
- 49:03Speaker 1: Well he is, he's from Spain.
- 49:06Speaker 3: Yeah, so it's that really like, uh, just classic romantic excellent.
- 49:12Speaker 1: Yeah, I want to go to the well, sorry, go ahead.
- 49:15Speaker 4: Ryan, No say what's funny?
- 49:16Speaker 5: Is even like in his prior like Spanish language movies,
- 49:19Speaker 5: he always kind of played buffoonish people. He didn't always
- 49:22Speaker 5: play like these very handsome, leading like men. It's interesting.
- 49:27Speaker 4: Yeah.
- 49:28Speaker 5: Uh.
- 49:29Speaker 1: He was in a Spanish, a Spanish language film nineteen
- 49:32Speaker 1: eighty nine, Timey Up, Time Me Down, and that was
- 49:35Speaker 1: rated Yeah, it was rated X in the United States.
- 49:39Speaker 1: I saw that movie. But the plot is great plot.
- 49:42Speaker 1: It's like this guy kidnaps a porn star and holds
- 49:45Speaker 1: her hostage because he's a very big fan of her.
- 49:48Speaker 1: But so, if you look at his career, he was
- 49:52Speaker 1: in a lot of Spanish Spanish language movies. He plays
- 49:54Speaker 1: Tom Hanks's boyfriend in Philadelphia nineteen eighty three interview with
- 49:59Speaker 1: a Vampire four which was huge, and then desperad I
- 50:05Speaker 1: was nineteen eighty five. He was also in a little
- 50:10Speaker 1: film called X Versus.
- 50:13Speaker 4: Severn Ballistic Baby.
- 50:17Speaker 6: Assassins.
- 50:19Speaker 4: I've never seen that one. Actually, we loved Assassins.
- 50:23Speaker 1: It can't be good. It can't be good, but.
- 50:27Speaker 4: It came out.
- 50:28Speaker 3: But yeah, anyway.
- 50:32Speaker 1: So, uh, he's he's playing, he's they're back and like
- 50:39Speaker 1: coming up with ideas and what to do. And he's
- 50:42Speaker 1: playing with forty five's as if like a cowboy would
- 50:45Speaker 1: play with a pistol, you know, doing tricks and spinning
- 50:49Speaker 1: it on your finger. And I thought that was very
- 50:50Speaker 1: interesting because you don't see modern guns treated that way.
- 50:54Speaker 1: It's like typically only old West gun. Yeah, and she says,
- 50:58Speaker 1: I have no money now my money was hidden in
- 51:01Speaker 1: the books. And he says, I'm going to make a call.
- 51:05Speaker 1: He calls two of his old friends, Kampa and Keno,
- 51:10Speaker 1: and he says, bring your guitars.
- 51:14Speaker 4: Show it to Campah. The original Mariacchi.
- 51:17Speaker 1: Yes, Campa was the original Mariacchi El Mariacci And I
- 51:23Speaker 1: don't remember how it leads up to here, where like
- 51:27Speaker 1: Bucco's Men are pulling up in limos and it's El Mariacci,
- 51:31Speaker 1: Caampa and Quino. I don't remember, Like what am I
- 51:35Speaker 1: missing anything?
- 51:40Speaker 6: It's gonna go down.
- 51:40Speaker 4: They were just meeting.
- 51:42Speaker 3: It's like meeting in the you know, meeting out back
- 51:45Speaker 3: of school for the fight the Okay Corral.
- 51:47Speaker 1: Yeah, he cracks his neck and says, let's play, which
- 51:53Speaker 1: is a fantastic line from this film. I wrote a
- 51:59Speaker 1: note here the broken leg guy immediately dies and there
- 52:02Speaker 1: was no point to his character this entire time. But Ben,
- 52:07Speaker 1: what is it?
- 52:07Speaker 4: So?
- 52:08Speaker 1: El Mariachi Antonio Mendaris carries a guitar case that you
- 52:11Speaker 1: open up and it's filled with guns that you have
- 52:14Speaker 1: to pull out. There's pistols and shotguns, grenades you pull out.
- 52:18Speaker 1: Campa and Keino are similar but different. So why don't
- 52:22Speaker 1: you explain, Ben, what Campa and Keno's deal is.
- 52:25Speaker 3: So I don't know which one is camp, but let's
- 52:27Speaker 3: just say so anyway, Kampa has two guitar cases. There
- 52:33Speaker 3: are both just fully active, fully automatic machine guns. The
- 52:39Speaker 3: cases themselves, I guess they're gonna trigger on the handle maybe,
- 52:43Speaker 3: but there's just an opening in the guitar case and
- 52:45Speaker 3: they are just like.
- 52:48Speaker 6: Again like.
- 52:51Speaker 3: Five thousand round bags each each with in the guitar case.
- 53:00Speaker 3: And then Keino his guitar case is a literal missile launcher.
- 53:06Speaker 3: It doesn't shoot grenades, it shoots missiles.
- 53:09Speaker 6: It's yeah yeah.
- 53:13Speaker 1: And when fires it when he like he does like
- 53:16Speaker 1: a split on the ground and cocks it and fires
- 53:18Speaker 1: it on his shoulder and it just looks awesome.
- 53:21Speaker 4: So it's like I know him in a movie. Let's
- 53:23Speaker 4: do it. Fuck it. It's great.
- 53:25Speaker 6: Yeah, this scene is.
- 53:28Speaker 3: I mean, this is obviously iconic shootout. I would say
- 53:32Speaker 3: this is my second favorite, second to the.
- 53:36Speaker 6: Cheaches bar.
- 53:37Speaker 3: I like, he uh sama comes and runs several people
- 53:43Speaker 3: over when they're out of when they're out of Ammo
- 53:45Speaker 3: Sama Hi comes and runs people over. It's a really
- 53:50Speaker 3: great it's a really great scene. Unfortunately, the guitar playing
- 53:54Speaker 3: boy is shot.
- 53:56Speaker 1: In the arm, the little boy.
- 53:57Speaker 4: Yep.
- 53:59Speaker 6: Yeah.
- 53:59Speaker 3: So at the very end, both Compa and Keno have
- 54:04Speaker 3: also been killed, and they kind of expected it. They
- 54:08Speaker 3: like Marcchi wasn't even really mad. It's kind of like
- 54:10Speaker 3: he knew this was gonna happen, and thanks for being
- 54:13Speaker 3: my boys. Yeah, like this is what this this is
- 54:18Speaker 3: why we're friends.
- 54:21Speaker 6: And then so he takes he takes the boy to
- 54:24Speaker 6: the hospital.
- 54:26Speaker 1: Yeah, and so Keno, who's the bazouka, The villains strategically
- 54:31Speaker 1: take him out. They're like, this guy's the biggest problem,
- 54:33Speaker 1: let's take him out. So he dies. And then Kampa
- 54:35Speaker 1: runs out of AMMO and those two guitar cases must
- 54:38Speaker 1: be a bitch to reload. So he's kind of like, well,
- 54:41Speaker 1: bump fucked when he runs out of m Yeah, he
- 54:47Speaker 1: just hasks, yeah, like a backpack filled with machine gun rounds.
- 54:51Speaker 1: So yeah, they take the boy to the hospital.
- 54:57Speaker 4: What I liked, Yeah, sure, I like to stop the
- 55:01Speaker 4: movie and do this. Also loved in the hospital two
- 55:04Speaker 4: giant signs no guns, no grenades.
- 55:06Speaker 5: It's a picture of a gun with an X through
- 55:07Speaker 5: it and the grenades's an nextory.
- 55:09Speaker 4: Amazing.
- 55:10Speaker 6: Well, in that town, it's very rare.
- 55:12Speaker 4: Really, I mean it's really yeah.
- 55:14Speaker 1: I mean you can't plead ignorance then, Like that happened
- 55:16Speaker 1: to me one time I was in the hospital and
- 55:18Speaker 1: the nurse was like, sir, you're gonna have to take
- 55:20Speaker 1: your grenade outside.
- 55:21Speaker 4: Can you get your grenades off your chain wallet? Please?
- 55:23Speaker 4: Oh my bad, my.
- 55:25Speaker 1: Bad, bro. Uh, And he tells almahyek. Butcho is my brother.
- 55:31Speaker 1: I didn't realize until I saw his face that Butcho
- 55:34Speaker 1: is actually my biological brother.
- 55:37Speaker 4: I gasped. I've completely thought about this in the movie.
- 55:39Speaker 1: I was like, oh, total mark. Ryan's a total mark
- 55:42Speaker 1: for this. I love it.
- 55:44Speaker 4: I was like, got it.
- 55:46Speaker 1: You think Keino will come back? That's what Ryan asked.
- 55:51Speaker 4: Yeah.
- 55:52Speaker 3: So now basically, now Briacci is just like, at this point,
- 55:57Speaker 3: like I have to just see him, see him face
- 55:59Speaker 3: to face.
- 56:00Speaker 1: Yeah, bad plan, he says, I'm just gonna go to
- 56:03Speaker 1: Buco's compound and just confront him face to face. Bad plan.
- 56:06Speaker 1: And then Sealbahayak says, I insist on going with you.
- 56:09Speaker 1: I'm like, what what what? That doesn't make any sense?
- 56:14Speaker 1: But whatever, I guess, uh yeah, So they go, and
- 56:24Speaker 1: Butcho's like, I mean, I don't know Ryan or Ben,
- 56:26Speaker 1: do you remember their specific dialogue.
- 56:29Speaker 6: Like the thing that I thought.
- 56:31Speaker 3: Was interesting is well, they mean Buso. Basically, He's like
- 56:34Speaker 3: they revealed to be brothers, Butcho is the older brother,
- 56:40Speaker 3: and it kind of I mean, based on who Butcho
- 56:43Speaker 3: is now, it sounds like Bucho did not have a
- 56:46Speaker 3: very productive childhood, so it sounds like it sounds like
- 56:50Speaker 3: even back when they were like knew each other, Butcho
- 56:53Speaker 3: was like getting into trouble, maybe deal with drugs, whatever.
- 56:57Speaker 3: And he says to Mariachi, Dad will never be proud
- 57:02Speaker 3: of you because you're just like me.
- 57:04Speaker 4: Yep.
- 57:05Speaker 3: And it's kind of like and it's kind of like
- 57:08Speaker 3: it maybe me think that, like Bucho became rich and
- 57:12Speaker 3: successful beyond anyone's imagination, Mariachi is not.
- 57:16Speaker 6: He's a poor guitar player.
- 57:18Speaker 3: But at the end of the day, Mariachi had like
- 57:21Speaker 3: his father's blessing, whereas Butcho, since he was a little boy,
- 57:26Speaker 3: probably his dad was like, you're a scumbag.
- 57:28Speaker 6: I want nothing to do with you.
- 57:29Speaker 3: Yes, So Buto is kind of like it's kind of
- 57:31Speaker 3: like when Baine tells Batman, you've you've come down to
- 57:34Speaker 3: my level.
- 57:35Speaker 1: Mm hmmm.
- 57:36Speaker 6: It's it's kind of like that.
- 57:37Speaker 3: And Mariachi realized it, like he kind of is like,
- 57:41Speaker 3: all right, you got me for a second.
- 57:43Speaker 6: Fair point.
- 57:44Speaker 1: Yeah, it's a you know, it's a fair point even
- 57:47Speaker 1: if you're doing the right. It's like in City of
- 57:48Speaker 1: God when knockout ned at first, he's like hesitant and
- 57:53Speaker 1: doesn't want to kill the security guards. And then later
- 57:55Speaker 1: on he just fucking murders the security guard during one
- 57:57Speaker 1: of their robberies. If you if you do this for
- 58:01Speaker 1: a living, it corrupts you. So then he just kind
- 58:05Speaker 1: of just like, oh so, Bo says, yeah, I forgot.
- 58:09Speaker 1: Buto's like, I tell you what, brother, because you're my brother,
- 58:12Speaker 1: I will let this all slide, even though you killed
- 58:14Speaker 1: nine hundred of my men. If you let me kill
- 58:17Speaker 1: Carolina because she betrayed me, I have to make an
- 58:20Speaker 1: example of her. You let me kill Carolina, I will
- 58:22Speaker 1: let you go. And then Ryan what does what does
- 58:25Speaker 1: Mariacci say?
- 58:29Speaker 4: He I don't know what he says.
- 58:30Speaker 1: He said, no, thank you, he says it just like that.
- 58:34Speaker 4: That'd be great.
- 58:35Speaker 5: Honestly, Bo's confused to put the guns down, so he
- 58:43Speaker 5: just and then the two guns come out of the
- 58:46Speaker 5: sleeves and then it just fades out, which Ben mentioned
- 58:50Speaker 5: earlier I thought was really.
- 58:51Speaker 3: Yeah, yeah, it makes sense because I mean what I
- 58:54Speaker 3: assume is like all of Butcho's guys like once Butcho's
- 58:59Speaker 3: dad there, all right.
- 59:00Speaker 6: I don't really care about defending it. I'm not gonna
- 59:02Speaker 6: die for this anymore.
- 59:04Speaker 1: But yeah, yeah, I don't think that makes any.
- 59:06Speaker 3: Sense it says there's a shootout, so I guess, I
- 59:09Speaker 3: guess he just kills all of them. I mean, Mariacci is.
- 59:13Speaker 3: It wouldn't surprise me if he could kill every single
- 59:15Speaker 3: one of them. But he's very, very skilled.
- 59:18Speaker 5: I thought, because the first one ends that way, where
- 59:22Speaker 5: like he takes out Loco and the team of guys
- 59:27Speaker 5: just stop because they're like, well, we'll just pick someone
- 59:30Speaker 5: to take over, and this is fine, you know, it's
- 59:32Speaker 5: kind of like who's the new boss, and it's like, okay.
- 59:38Speaker 5: I just thought, because everyone had their guns pointed at him,
- 59:40Speaker 5: there's a thousand people waiting, I'm like, well, they're just
- 59:42Speaker 5: gonna waste Mariachi because like, why not.
- 59:47Speaker 1: A right, It makes no sense if you have two
- 59:49Speaker 1: forty five's who killed Bucco in a compound with two
- 59:52Speaker 1: hundred men and then it just cut it fades and
- 59:55Speaker 1: it cuts to him and Selmahydek are just fine. I
- 59:58Speaker 1: thought that was really dumb, but that was because there
- 1:00:02Speaker 1: was just like massive shootout scene which probably costs a
- 1:00:05Speaker 1: ton of money, and because of the NPAA, they just
- 1:00:08Speaker 1: cut it out of the movie so they could get.
- 1:00:10Speaker 3: In a rating, especially because it was the grand finale
- 1:00:13Speaker 3: that seems it was probably violent over the top.
- 1:00:18Speaker 6: It's probably head's coming off.
- 1:00:20Speaker 4: Like they're building up to this.
- 1:00:22Speaker 5: I'm like, I just I'm like when they faded out,
- 1:00:23Speaker 5: I was kind of like what I I mean, I
- 1:00:27Speaker 5: like the ending of this movie still, like it's actually
- 1:00:29Speaker 5: not bad.
- 1:00:29Speaker 3: It's like that like kind of made sense about just
- 1:00:33Speaker 3: cutting is. Part of me was like, all right, I've
- 1:00:37Speaker 3: seen you see actually kill enough people, like I'm ready.
- 1:00:40Speaker 6: I'm ready for this to be done.
- 1:00:42Speaker 5: I wondered, too beat if they were kind of like,
- 1:00:43Speaker 5: you know, it's the ending. It's like, hey, this flight
- 1:00:45Speaker 5: is probably not as good as the bar or the
- 1:00:48Speaker 5: gate scene with.
- 1:00:51Speaker 4: And I wanted everything.
- 1:00:52Speaker 5: If it's not as great, you can't set people up
- 1:00:54Speaker 5: and like, oh last one was fine.
- 1:00:57Speaker 1: I agree, it probably just wasn't as good as the
- 1:01:00Speaker 1: three other awesome shootouts.
- 1:01:02Speaker 4: So but yeah, I mean, you don't know. Maybe you
- 1:01:05Speaker 4: never know. Yeah.
- 1:01:06Speaker 1: And then Antonio Mandaraz the movie ends where he's just
- 1:01:09Speaker 1: hitch hiking and Salma Jayak picks him up.
- 1:01:11Speaker 8: Essentially, yes, he throws the duds away and then he
- 1:01:18Speaker 8: helps back for them, but says just in case, which
- 1:01:20Speaker 8: to me that made complete sense, Like after right, after
- 1:01:24Speaker 8: everything that just happened, I would not be drunk getting
- 1:01:26Speaker 8: rid of my weapons.
- 1:01:28Speaker 5: And based on three I think, yeah, there's there's no
- 1:01:31Speaker 5: peaceful life for him.
- 1:01:32Speaker 1: Yeah, and based on what I know about the Mexican cartel, yeah,
- 1:01:37Speaker 1: they probably will want to make an example out of
- 1:01:40Speaker 1: him in the worst way. So yeah, that's how the
- 1:01:43Speaker 1: movie ends. Here they ride off into the sunset. He
- 1:01:46Speaker 1: keeps his guns just in case. But it's over until
- 1:01:51Speaker 1: the sequel, Once Upon a Time in Mexico, which I
- 1:01:54Speaker 1: can't believe I didn't mention this earlier. The greatest line
- 1:01:56Speaker 1: in movie history, Johnny Depp says, are you a Mexican
- 1:02:00Speaker 1: or Mexicant?
- 1:02:02Speaker 5: Probably the most famous thing from that movie is that line.
- 1:02:04Speaker 5: And I'm sure people don't even know from that movie.
- 1:02:06Speaker 1: Yeah, yep, yep.
- 1:02:08Speaker 5: So interesting though, there's one one and I was very surprised.
- 1:02:13Speaker 5: One interesting part of Once Upon a Time Mexico is
- 1:02:17Speaker 5: he's playing a song on the guitar and the guy's like,
- 1:02:20Speaker 5: that's a nice song.
- 1:02:20Speaker 4: What is it? It's a song my my brother taught me.
- 1:02:23Speaker 4: I thought it was really interesting that he would reference
- 1:02:25Speaker 4: poo that way.
- 1:02:27Speaker 1: Or is it maybe it's his other brother Tommy.
- 1:02:30Speaker 4: Honestly, there could be you're talking about me.
- 1:02:33Speaker 1: He pops out of the background.
- 1:02:35Speaker 4: Oh Hi, it's mean this Parando. It's me Tommy. Tommy
- 1:02:39Speaker 4: weis kind of dressed the same way, same hair.
- 1:02:43Speaker 1: Oh man, okay, well, anything else to add before we
- 1:02:46Speaker 1: go to Desperado? Advice?
- 1:02:50Speaker 4: How do you guys feel about this? Is? Like, is it?
- 1:02:54Speaker 4: This is one of those movies to me, like, you
- 1:02:55Speaker 4: never know.
- 1:02:56Speaker 5: I never knew it was a sequel forever, so I
- 1:02:58Speaker 5: never thought of it as a sequel, right, So, like
- 1:03:01Speaker 5: I would think it's weird when that happens, when there's
- 1:03:03Speaker 5: like a movie you see that like, oh, this is
- 1:03:05Speaker 5: a sequel to something else.
- 1:03:07Speaker 1: That would be a great interesting list to look at.
- 1:03:10Speaker 1: I can't even think of another example. But really, it
- 1:03:12Speaker 1: was just it was just because the first movie was
- 1:03:15Speaker 1: so independent and underground. Yeah, that when they made the
- 1:03:19Speaker 1: quote unquote sequel, that's like everybody was seeing it for
- 1:03:21Speaker 1: the first time. They recast the lead, so it's kind.
- 1:03:25Speaker 4: Of you.
- 1:03:27Speaker 5: Know, yeah, in middle school, I never knew, or I
- 1:03:31Speaker 5: think it was it was I think it was fifth
- 1:03:33Speaker 5: grade or sixth grade, But in middle school, I never
- 1:03:35Speaker 5: knew that Escape from La was a sequel. I thought
- 1:03:37Speaker 5: it was like a movie like on its own, and
- 1:03:39Speaker 5: I don't like seeing the poster, but that's gonna be
- 1:03:41Speaker 5: the fucking coolest movie fucking ever, just being like the
- 1:03:45Speaker 5: posters and the commercial, like I can't wait to see
- 1:03:47Speaker 5: this and didn't know it was a sequel until like
- 1:03:48Speaker 5: end of high school.
- 1:03:49Speaker 1: Yeah, can you can either of you think of another
- 1:03:51Speaker 1: example like that, like Desperado being a sequel to an
- 1:03:54Speaker 1: underground movie that most people didn't know.
- 1:04:01Speaker 3: No, I mean the only thing that like, I don't
- 1:04:02Speaker 3: know how it just kind of reminds me of like
- 1:04:04Speaker 3: the Glass Unbreakable series.
- 1:04:07Speaker 6: That's not really like that. I can't really describe.
- 1:04:10Speaker 1: Yeah, that was more like a trick. Where what's the movie?
- 1:04:15Speaker 4: Ryan?
- 1:04:15Speaker 1: The first movie with a oh split split Split was
- 1:04:20Speaker 1: like a secret sequel, it was. It came out as
- 1:04:24Speaker 1: a standalone movie, but then if you watch it you
- 1:04:26Speaker 1: find out, surprise, this is a sequel. So sure, yeah,
- 1:04:30Speaker 1: that's like not a terrible example, but not quite the same.
- 1:04:33Speaker 1: I literally can't think of anything.
- 1:04:35Speaker 5: I think it's it's hard because like it's all based
- 1:04:37Speaker 5: of course, like on your like experience, like the first
- 1:04:39Speaker 5: movie has to exist at some point, but like to me, like,
- 1:04:42Speaker 5: this movie's more like this movie is like weirdly like
- 1:04:46Speaker 5: to me, like I was thinking, like it's like T
- 1:04:49Speaker 5: two or like Evil Dead two, where like it is
- 1:04:51Speaker 5: kind of the first movie again but just better.
- 1:04:54Speaker 1: Yeah, Evil Dead two. Evil Dead two is a good example,
- 1:04:58Speaker 1: not really T two because T two is very much
- 1:05:01Speaker 1: like T one. Everybody knew T one and it's a sequel.
- 1:05:05Speaker 1: But Evil Did too is like, hey, let's just do
- 1:05:07Speaker 1: the first one again but better.
- 1:05:09Speaker 5: Oh you know, actually mad Max Road Warrior that's what
- 1:05:11Speaker 5: I'm thinking of. That's another one too.
- 1:05:15Speaker 1: Yeah, yeah, yeah, that's a good one. Jason sis Man
- 1:05:18Speaker 1: a jows three D. That's a good one. Gremlins two.
- 1:05:24Speaker 1: I had no idea that Gremlins two is a sequel.
- 1:05:26Speaker 1: It's literally the title Grumlins two.
- 1:05:29Speaker 5: That was hardqus just do the number two and it's
- 1:05:31Speaker 5: it's like, well yeah, but.
- 1:05:33Speaker 1: I would say that my desperado advice is mhm, scorpion
- 1:05:39Speaker 1: of the frog. You know, like, if you lay down
- 1:05:41Speaker 1: with dogs, you're gonna get fleas. That would be my advice. Wow, Ryan,
- 1:05:47Speaker 1: what's your desperado advice?
- 1:05:51Speaker 5: I really didn't never judge a book by its cover.
- 1:05:57Speaker 5: It might have it might have cartol money inside.
- 1:06:01Speaker 1: Oh that's good. That's a good one.
- 1:06:03Speaker 4: That's real.
- 1:06:03Speaker 6: That's a really good one.
- 1:06:04Speaker 4: Friend.
- 1:06:06Speaker 6: I don't know.
- 1:06:06Speaker 3: I mean I feel like part of it is just
- 1:06:09Speaker 3: like have principles, like because Mariachi is just like this
- 1:06:14Speaker 3: is I need to do this, and everyone tells him
- 1:06:16Speaker 3: he's crazy.
- 1:06:16Speaker 6: But he's like, I need to do this. I need
- 1:06:19Speaker 6: to kill Buchu he killed my wife.
- 1:06:22Speaker 3: Yeah, but I also think, sorry, go ahead, ben as
- 1:06:27Speaker 3: I say sometimes like you just have to go through
- 1:06:29Speaker 3: with something that you just you need something to happen.
- 1:06:33Speaker 1: I feel like Game of Thrones is really good about
- 1:06:35Speaker 1: how if you have a singular, singular motivation and thought process,
- 1:06:41Speaker 1: it's always going to backfire and be bad. And like
- 1:06:44Speaker 1: Ober and Martell only cared about avenging his sister and
- 1:06:48Speaker 1: it didn't go well for him. I think if you
- 1:06:51Speaker 1: focus your life on revenge and then you actually achieve
- 1:06:55Speaker 1: your revenge, what do you do now you know they
- 1:06:59Speaker 1: they're they're There's a really great real life example I
- 1:07:01Speaker 1: heard the other day. There was a boy that was
- 1:07:04Speaker 1: remember like remember like we were alive during the time.
- 1:07:06Speaker 1: We weren't alive during the time, but I'm sure you're
- 1:07:08Speaker 1: aware in the sixties and seventies and eighties, there's just
- 1:07:11Speaker 1: a lot of cults. And there's this one cult where
- 1:07:15Speaker 1: there was this little boy who was raised in the
- 1:07:17Speaker 1: cult and he was sexually abused and physically abused, and
- 1:07:21Speaker 1: then he became an adult and he left the cult
- 1:07:24Speaker 1: and he had like a relatively normal life, but he
- 1:07:26Speaker 1: obviously had a lot of trauma. And he decided, I'm
- 1:07:29Speaker 1: going to kidnap and torture and murder all of the
- 1:07:33Speaker 1: cult people who sexually and physically abused me when I
- 1:07:36Speaker 1: was a boy, which you know, on paper, don't really
- 1:07:39Speaker 1: blame him for that. Don't love cults, Like I think,
- 1:07:41Speaker 1: we'd probably be better off if the people who did
- 1:07:44Speaker 1: this to him were dead. So, and he ended up
- 1:07:47Speaker 1: kidnapping one of them and doing it. He tortured and
- 1:07:50Speaker 1: killed them, and then he immediately committed suicide because he
- 1:07:54Speaker 1: was like I thought, perversely, that would bring me some
- 1:07:58Speaker 1: closure or pleasure, and it was just awful, and then
- 1:08:02Speaker 1: afterwards I felt terrible. So I'm gonna kill myself. That's
- 1:08:06Speaker 1: essentially what I said.
- 1:08:08Speaker 6: Yeah, I've experienced that. I remember, like, oh you have wow,
- 1:08:14Speaker 6: that exact story.
- 1:08:15Speaker 3: No, But I mean, like there's been points in my
- 1:08:17Speaker 3: life where like people have wronged me in some way
- 1:08:21Speaker 3: and I'm just like I just wish the worst for them,
- 1:08:23Speaker 3: but then that actually happens and I just feel bad
- 1:08:25Speaker 3: for them.
- 1:08:26Speaker 6: But maybe I'm soft. Maybe I should be that soft.
- 1:08:29Speaker 3: But like there's been people I remember, like someone somebody
- 1:08:33Speaker 3: hated at work and there's everything just went right for them,
- 1:08:36Speaker 3: so I kind of hated them, and then the opposite.
- 1:08:39Speaker 6: Happened and they just had like a ship storm of
- 1:08:41Speaker 6: terrible luck.
- 1:08:43Speaker 3: And I remember thinking like I kind of wished for this,
- 1:08:45Speaker 3: but like I feel bad now because this person is
- 1:08:47Speaker 3: just like miserable.
- 1:08:51Speaker 4: Yeah, what's the game for you?
- 1:08:52Speaker 1: It's like, yeah, yeah, there was one guy I didn't
- 1:08:56Speaker 1: like at work, so I planted drugs in his car
- 1:08:58Speaker 1: and called the cops on him, and he ended up
- 1:09:00Speaker 1: being murdered in prison, So like I felt kind of
- 1:09:02Speaker 1: bad about it.
- 1:09:05Speaker 4: Yeah you really say that in a recorded format, either that's.
- 1:09:09Speaker 1: A great idea, that'll do it, that'll do it.
- 1:09:12Speaker 4: But I really like that that Ben's advice Overking. That's
- 1:09:17Speaker 4: the whole.
- 1:09:17Speaker 5: Like the movie does a really interesting thing where like
- 1:09:19Speaker 5: when he says that too, biskemy about how like I'm done, Like, well,
- 1:09:24Speaker 5: this whole warpath you go on, you are now creating
- 1:09:27Speaker 5: new problems for yourself that you can't escape, Like you
- 1:09:30Speaker 5: can't like you, Okay, you killed ninety seven people and
- 1:09:34Speaker 5: then you become this mythic hero and now more bad
- 1:09:37Speaker 5: people want things to do with you because you can't
- 1:09:40Speaker 5: be this thing that people are afraid of.
- 1:09:41Speaker 4: They want to be the thing that people are afraid of. Yeah,
- 1:09:44Speaker 4: and it's just so interesting how he thinks, like, Okay,
- 1:09:45Speaker 4: once I kill the main guy, I'm done. It's like
- 1:09:47Speaker 4: you can't be done. It won't. It won't let you
- 1:09:49Speaker 4: be done. Put it that way. Yeah.
- 1:09:52Speaker 1: Yeah, there's a lot of movies about this, you know.
- 1:09:53Speaker 1: Unforgiven comes to mind, Nobel, this happens to Omar and
- 1:09:57Speaker 1: the Wire Got kill Bill. Yeah, is a good one.
- 1:10:02Speaker 1: Omar is just chilling with his boyfriend in paradise and
- 1:10:05Speaker 1: he goes back, that was a mistake.
- 1:10:07Speaker 4: Buchi muerto is moto.
- 1:10:13Speaker 1: Okay, all right, then, thank you so much for returning
- 1:10:17Speaker 1: on the podcast.
- 1:10:19Speaker 4: You much for having me.
- 1:10:20Speaker 1: I hope you come back to in the next five months.
- 1:10:23Speaker 1: I'm sorry. I'm sorry about Ryan, but hopefully it's not
- 1:10:27Speaker 1: another five months. If it is. I kind of get it,
- 1:10:30Speaker 1: but uh AnyWho, it's just.
- 1:10:35Speaker 6: What Ryan did to my family is is. I mean,
- 1:10:37Speaker 6: it's like this movie.
- 1:10:37Speaker 3: It's really really hard to get over, but through a
- 1:10:40Speaker 3: lot of therapy, I'm always.
- 1:10:47Speaker 1: All right. Well Audio somigos noos. I love Wuerta