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Senator Kennedy CORNERED Kash Patel Over Insane FBI Background Rules… 😳 · Surviving-ISH Podcast

• 0:00
  SPEAKER_00: Hey listener, quickwash.
• 0:01
  SPEAKER_00: How is Friday Patty Patel claiming that everyone who partakes in bestiality is already in jail?
• 0:06
  SPEAKER_00: But he says this while simultaneously suggesting that it should be considered for the FBI.
• 0:10
  SPEAKER_00: So buckle up because this last congressional hearing with Senator Kennedy, it gets weird fast.
• 0:15
  SPEAKER_00: So I need everyone to take a deep breath.
• 0:17
  SPEAKER_00: I need to take a deep breath and probably drink some damn water.
• 0:20
  SPEAKER_00: Because apparently we have now reached a point in American politics where I have to open an episode by saying today, ladies and gentlemen, we are talking about bestiality.
• 0:33
  SPEAKER_00: You know, I'll say that's one of the things that until recently I was pretty confident I would not have on my political podcast discussion list.
• 0:42
  SPEAKER_00: But yet in Donald Trump's America, here we are.
• 0:44
  SPEAKER_00: So welcome back to Surviving Politics-ish.
• 0:58
  SPEAKER_00: So if you're new here, because we are getting some new followers and listeners, so if you are new here, this is the podcast where I'm not a political expert by any means.
• 1:09
  SPEAKER_00: Um definitely not a constitutional scholar.
• 1:13
  SPEAKER_00: I do not do the FBI hiring.
• 1:15
  SPEAKER_00: And I do want to point out, I am not an animal sex investigator.
• 1:20
  SPEAKER_00: I'm just a person that's trying to pay attention.
• 1:23
  SPEAKER_00: I'm trying to read the articles, I'm trying to watch the hearings, um, I try to pull up transcripts and try to figure out what people are actually saying without other people telling me what they're being what is being said.
• 1:35
  SPEAKER_00: So my hope is that I can read these things, look in these things, get my questions together and come to you guys and we can discuss together and learn together.
• 1:43
  SPEAKER_00: Because let's be honest, this one, man, I have a lot of questions.
• 1:47
  SPEAKER_00: So let's start with this.
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  SPEAKER_00: On September 15th, 2026, Kennedy Standing Frat Bro-ish and FBI director, ish, Cash Patel appeared before the Senate Judiciary Committee for an oversight hearing.
• 2:01
  SPEAKER_00: Okay, so during this hearing, Senator John Kennedy of Louisiana questioned Patel about changes to the FBI hiring standards, and somehow, somehow, we ended up with an extended congressional discussion about whether someone who was engaged in bestiality could become an FBI agent.
• 2:16
  SPEAKER_00: But I want to slow this down because the headline is bizarre, and the underlying policy question is much more complicated.
• 2:23
  SPEAKER_00: So there is something I want to do differently with this episode.
• 2:26
  SPEAKER_00: I want to separate the facts from the questions, and there's a lot that I'm gonna be covering, and there are times that you all might see me reading from different articles or whatever, but I do want to separate the FBI story from the larger conversation about sex, children, consent, trafficking, and marriage.
• 2:43
  SPEAKER_00: And I want to be careful, very, very careful about something else.
• 2:47
  SPEAKER_00: I do not want to take several disturbing or controversial subjects and put them next to each other and automatically declare that they are all part of the same political agenda.
• 2:57
  SPEAKER_00: If there is a connection, I want evidence for it.
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  SPEAKER_00: If there isn't, I want to be willing to say that too.
• 3:03
  SPEAKER_00: Because there is a difference between noticing a pattern and proving a connection.
• 3:07
  SPEAKER_00: I'm really bad with my words sometimes.
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  SPEAKER_00: So I want to be very, very, very extra, extra careful with the things that I say going forward.
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  SPEAKER_00: I want to talk about the FBI story and what actually changed.
• 3:19
  SPEAKER_00: So I gathered some facts here of what we actually know.
• 3:22
  SPEAKER_00: We know that the FBI revises employment eligibility standards.
• 3:26
  SPEAKER_00: According to a September 14th letter from the Senate Judiciary, the revised criteria removed automatic disqualification for several categories of conduct, including sex solicitation, theft from an employer, and bestiality or animal cruelty occurring before an applicant turned 18.
• 3:44
  SPEAKER_00: Now, I want to stop there because this is where the internet can turn one sentence into an entirely different sentence.
• 3:51
  SPEAKER_00: The phrase I want to focus on and really think about is the automatic disqualification.
• 3:55
  SPEAKER_00: I think that's important.
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  SPEAKER_00: Removing something from a list of automatic disqualifiers does not necessarily mean that this is acceptable, right?
• 4:03
  SPEAKER_00: And like that's where my head went in the very beginning.
• 4:05
  SPEAKER_00: I was like, oh great, now we've got this.
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  SPEAKER_00: But it doesn't mean that these things are legalized.
• 4:10
  SPEAKER_00: And it doesn't necessarily mean that that person's even going to be hired.
• 4:13
  SPEAKER_00: All it truly means is that particular conduct is no longer necessarily an automatic bar under that particular standard.
• 4:22
  SPEAKER_00: And I do think that that's well, I mean, I don't think that that is absolutely different.
• 4:25
  SPEAKER_00: And honestly, I think this distinction needs to be repeated because political arguments are very good at turning not automatically disqualified into approved.
• 4:35
  SPEAKER_00: And those are not the same thing.
• 4:37
  SPEAKER_00: Okay, so first I wanted to learn why the FBI was changed this to begin with.
• 4:41
  SPEAKER_00: And this is where I can hardly ever say his name without laughing, and I'm trying to be serious, but this is where FBI director Cash Patel gave his explanation.
• 4:50
  SPEAKER_00: So Patel told senators that the policy was intended, or at least in part, to avoid automatically excluding people who had themselves been victims of trafficking or coercion.
• 5:02
  SPEAKER_00: In that distinction, it does matter, right?
• 5:04
  SPEAKER_00: Because there is an enormous difference between a person voluntarily committing a crime and a person being forced into crime or a degrading conduct by someone else, especially when that person was a child.
• 5:18
  SPEAKER_00: A child who is trafficked is a victim.
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  SPEAKER_00: A child who is sexually abused is a victim.
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  SPEAKER_00: And being victimized should not automatically transform the victim into the person responsible for the abuse.
• 5:30
  SPEAKER_00: That principle isn't controversial just because we're talking about the FBI.
• 5:34
  SPEAKER_00: It's a basic question of responsibility.
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  SPEAKER_00: But, and this is where the controversy comes in.
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  SPEAKER_00: The question isn't simply whether trafficking victims deserve consideration.
• 5:43
  SPEAKER_00: The question is whether the written hiring standards clearly and appropriately distinguish victims from people who voluntarily engage in criminal conduct.
• 5:53
  SPEAKER_00: So that's where the censors they started pushing back.
• 5:56
  SPEAKER_00: What what what about the bestiality?
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  SPEAKER_03: Same thing, because the regs wrote it up in a fashion before I arrived that addressed prostitution, bestiality, and trafficking.
• 6:06
  SPEAKER_03: They were there before I got there.
• 6:08
  SPEAKER_03: Tell me what it said before.
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  SPEAKER_03: It automatically disqualified any individual who participated on either side of it.
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  SPEAKER_03: Obviously, we are never going to hire the criminal.
• 6:19
  SPEAKER_03: Okay.
• 6:20
  SPEAKER_00: I just want to appreciate the confidence behind the phrase, we're not going to hire the criminal.
• 6:26
  SPEAKER_00: Hmm.
• 6:26
  SPEAKER_00: Interesting choice of words.
• 6:30
  SPEAKER_00: Yes.
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  SPEAKER_02: So you disqualified the animal?
• 6:35
  SPEAKER_03: Well, I don't think we we have great canines, but we're not going to disqualify.
• 6:38
  SPEAKER_02: I understand.
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  SPEAKER_02: I I'm trying to understand why you did this.
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  SPEAKER_02: Have you I'm this is not directed at you, Mr.
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  SPEAKER_02: Director.
• 6:46
  SPEAKER_02: And I I I understand the game.
• 6:49
  SPEAKER_02: People try to make you look bad.
• 6:51
  SPEAKER_02: Uh we do the same thing when the other party's in office.
• 6:56
  SPEAKER_00: Wow.
• 6:57
  SPEAKER_00: That's the most truth I've heard a Republican, a politician, but especially a Republican politician, say.
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  SPEAKER_02: And all this stuff has really hurt the FBI.
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  SPEAKER_02: Why would you, in light of the of the context and what we're going through, and we're having a tough time attracting agents, good quality agents that we all can trust, because so many people, fairly or unfairly, think that in order to be an FBA, FBI agent now, you your political point of view matters.
• 7:31
  SPEAKER_00: Wow.
• 7:31
  SPEAKER_00: Well, my opinion, yeah.
• 7:33
  SPEAKER_00: I think that we should know their political point of view.
• 7:37
  SPEAKER_00: Maybe there was a time where it wouldn't matter, but MAGA is a death cult.
• 7:41
  SPEAKER_00: So when you look at ICE and what they're doing, yeah, I think that if someone is going to hold the rules and laws and your freedom and your life in their hands, yeah, we deserve to know who they voted for in this case.
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  SPEAKER_00: And I hope we get to a world where it wouldn't matter anymore.
• 7:57
  SPEAKER_00: But right now, it fucking matters.
• 7:58
  SPEAKER_02: Why would you even get into bestiality?
• 8:03
  SPEAKER_03: We we are not into bestiality, but a lot of these individuals I know you're not.
• 8:07
  SPEAKER_03: Oh my god, this is so awkward, but I kind of like it.
• 8:10
  SPEAKER_02: But you changed you, you you changed But I'm trying to explain it.
• 8:13
  SPEAKER_02: Hang on.
• 8:14
  SPEAKER_02: You changed the qualifications and mentioned bestiality.
• 8:19
  SPEAKER_02: If Joe participated in bestiality, not as the animal, but as the human, don't you think he ought to be qualified, disqualified?
• 8:29
  SPEAKER_03: If he voluntarily did it, sure, but if he was trafficked into it, okay.
• 8:32
  SPEAKER_03: How do you involuntarily do it?
• 8:35
  SPEAKER_03: In a lot of these cases, when human traffickers, who are some of the worst individuals on planet Earth, they don't just traffic you for prostitution, they traffic you for degrading acts of all kinds and they force you into that type of conduct.
• 8:47
  SPEAKER_03: And some of these individuals would go on to be law enforcement officers who qualified to be law enforcement officers and later applied to the FBI.
• 8:53
  SPEAKER_02: I mean, this this didn't initi this the these changes didn't start with you, didn't they?
• 8:58
  SPEAKER_00: Somebody came to you and recommended so I love this uh question by Senator Kennedy because Trump loves to humiliate people, he loves to set them up.
• 9:12
  SPEAKER_00: I mean, look what he does to JD Bans.
• 9:14
  SPEAKER_00: And so a part of me wonders was this whole thing brought to Cash Patel to set him up to be laughed at, to be made fun of, and to use eventually as a scapegoat into why he's fired randomly, right?
• 9:29
  SPEAKER_00: I don't know.
• 9:29
  SPEAKER_00: There's just something, there's something about this.
• 9:31
  SPEAKER_02: Yeah, yeah.
• 9:33
  SPEAKER_02: And when you saw bestiality, I say this with respect, the person who recommended it, why didn't you just say, what planet did you parachute in from?
• 9:47
  SPEAKER_02: Why do why do I want to leave with that?
• 9:49
  SPEAKER_02: Well, that was my initial why do I want to leave with my chin and get into bestiality?
• 9:54
  SPEAKER_03: That was my initial response, Senator.
• 9:55
  SPEAKER_03: But they then explained to me and showed me cases in which people were forced into it and had applied to the FBI, and so I thought they should be considered.
• 10:04
  SPEAKER_03: It's not an automatic disqualification, that's all.
• 10:07
  SPEAKER_03: Okay.
• 10:07
  SPEAKER_02: All right, I think I understand.
• 10:09
  SPEAKER_02: But you're not telling us today that if a human being had sex with an animal, that they can still be an FBI agent.
• 10:21
  SPEAKER_03: No.
• 10:22
  SPEAKER_02: Are you?
• 10:22
  SPEAKER_03: No.
• 10:23
  SPEAKER_02: They can't be, can't.
• 10:24
  SPEAKER_02: They cannot.
• 10:25
  SPEAKER_02: In fact, they ought to be in jail, right?
• 10:27
  SPEAKER_02: They all are.
• 10:28
  SPEAKER_00: Okay, see, that line confuses me.
• 10:30
  SPEAKER_00: He says they all are, meaning they are all in jail.
• 10:34
  SPEAKER_00: So if they're victims, why are they in jail?
• 10:38
  SPEAKER_00: And if they're in jail, why are they applying to work for the FBI and why are you wanting to consider it?
• 10:44
  SPEAKER_00: Like, I I don't I don't get that.
• 10:46
  SPEAKER_00: Okay, so let's slow it down a little further.
• 10:49
  SPEAKER_00: We know there was a change in the FBI hearing standards.
• 10:51
  SPEAKER_00: We know that the Senate Judiciary Democrats described that these revised criteria was simply just removing the automatic disqualification for certain conduct, including bestiality or animal cruelty.
• 11:02
  SPEAKER_00: And this was supposed to be, if it happened before the applicant, I guess, uh turned 18.
• 11:07
  SPEAKER_00: We know Cash Patel uh defended the change by emphasizing victims of trafficking and coercion.
• 11:13
  SPEAKER_00: Is anyone finding the irony in this?
• 11:15
  SPEAKER_00: My skin crawls when someone from Trump's administration even breathes the word trafficking.
• 11:21
  SPEAKER_00: We do know that Patel did say that voluntary conduct would be treated differently.
• 11:25
  SPEAKER_00: We know Kennedy questioned why BCLD was included in the policy at all.
• 11:29
  SPEAKER_00: We know Durban challenged Patel over the distinction between someone who had engaged in the conduct and someone who is a victim.
• 11:36
  SPEAKER_00: And we know the Senate Judiciary Democrats requested additional documents and information about how the advice standards have actually been applied.
• 11:43
  SPEAKER_00: Those are the things we can establish from the current record.
• 11:47
  SPEAKER_00: But this is what we don't know.
• 11:48
  SPEAKER_00: And this is where I want to resist the temptation to fill in the blanks.
• 11:51
  SPEAKER_00: How many applicants have actually been affected?
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  SPEAKER_00: How many were rejected?
• 11:55
  SPEAKER_00: How many were even considered?
• 11:56
  SPEAKER_00: How many received conditional offers?
• 11:59
  SPEAKER_00: How many were hired?
• 12:00
  SPEAKER_00: How does the FBI determine whether conduct was voluntary?
• 12:04
  SPEAKER_00: How does it determine whether someone was trafficked?
• 12:06
  SPEAKER_00: How was age considered?
• 12:07
  SPEAKER_00: Like what written guidance do background investigators receive?
• 12:10
  SPEAKER_00: And how often has the revised standard actually mattered in a hiring decision?
• 12:15
  SPEAKER_00: Those are the documents I want because trust me, it's not a mythology.
• 12:18
  SPEAKER_00: I guess if the policy exists because the FBI encountered real cases involving trafficking victims, then explain the problem.
• 12:24
  SPEAKER_00: If the policy was written to solve a genuine problem, show how the policy solves it.
• 12:29
  SPEAKER_00: If the wording creates unintended consequences, then explain those.
• 12:33
  SPEAKER_00: I think that's what oversight is for.
• 12:35
  SPEAKER_00: So there's another distinction that I want to make because it gets lost constantly.
• 12:39
  SPEAKER_00: There is a big difference between this conduct is not an automatic employment disqualifier and this conduct is acceptable.
• 12:47
  SPEAKER_00: Those are not the same sentences.
• 12:49
  SPEAKER_00: Employment eligibility is not the criminal code.
• 12:51
  SPEAKER_00: The FBI hiring manual is not a declaration that the behavior is legal.
• 12:55
  SPEAKER_00: And removing an automatic employment bar does not automatically tell us what happens in every individual case.
• 13:01
  SPEAKER_00: So when you hear the FBI doesn't automatically disqualify someone for X, don't translate that into the FBI wants X or the FBI says X is okay.
• 13:12
  SPEAKER_00: Because that's kind of what I kept jumping to, you know?
• 13:14
  SPEAKER_00: I have to remind myself, it's not automatic.
• 13:16
  SPEAKER_00: That's all.
• 13:16
  SPEAKER_00: So then we have to find out what happens next.
• 13:18
  SPEAKER_00: Now I want to move into a much broader conversation.
• 13:21
  SPEAKER_00: But before I do, I want to make something very clear.
• 13:24
  SPEAKER_00: The FBI hiring policy controversy is one issue.
• 13:27
  SPEAKER_00: The debates over age of consent, child marriage, trafficking, um sexual abuse, and marital consent are other issues.
• 13:35
  SPEAKER_00: They are not automatically the same story.
• 13:37
  SPEAKER_00: The FBI policy does not prove that somebody is trying to change the age of consent.
• 13:42
  SPEAKER_00: It does not prove that somebody is trying to normalize child marriage, and it does not prove somebody is trying to normalize sexual abuse, and it does not prove some coordinated political agenda involving all of these things.
• 13:54
  SPEAKER_00: But there is a reason I want to put these conversations in the same episode.
• 13:57
  SPEAKER_00: And the reason for that is one word, and that's consent.
• 14:00
  SPEAKER_00: Alright, guys, I'm gonna go ahead and stop this episode now.
• 14:03
  SPEAKER_00: I want to get this released, and I'm hoping to release part two tomorrow because I want this to be an ongoing conversation.
• 14:08
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• 14:27
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• 14:29
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