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Podcast Episode 1- Mental Health and Behavioural Disorders · INSPIRE STORY

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  Speaker 1: You are listening to the very first episode of the
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  Inspire Health Podcast. Thank you so much for joining us.
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  Our first episode features a great mentor of mine, doctor
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  William Walsh of the Walsh Research Institute. If you are
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  a loved one suffers from mental health challenges or a
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  behavioral disorder, this is an absolute must listen to episode.
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  The key takeaway is that if your body is out
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  of balance, you could be biochemically hardwired to struggle in
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  your life. Doctor Walsh's research has had transformational results for
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  thousands of families and it's an important aspect of treatment
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  that I bring into my practice as well. Welcome to
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  the Inspire Health Podcast. Your life is about to get
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  a whole lot better. Have you ever felt like you
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  tried everything and yet still couldn't find the answers or
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  the solutions that you were seeking, whether you're dealing with
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  chronic illness, physical or emotional pain. I want you to
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  know that your body is the most sophisticated machine on
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  planet Earth. Your body whole, it's unfathomable wisdom. Trust in
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  it and learn from it. Know that there are answers
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  and there are solutions to your specific health challenges, and
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  we will be uncovering all of them here on the
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  Inspire Health Podcast. I'm so excited to be a part
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  of your healing journey. Your transformation starts out. Welcome to
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  another episode of the Inspire Health Podcast. Today, I've got
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  a really special guest. This has been one of my
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  main mentors over the past five years. It's my great
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  honor and pleasure to introduce doctor William J. Walsh, PhD.
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  Doctor Walsh is an internationally recognized expert in methylation disorders
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  and nutrient imbalances associated with mental disorders. Through his nonprofit organization,
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  The Walsh Research Institute, is dedicated his life to unravel
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  the biochemistry of mental disorders and develop improved treatments through
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  scientific research and studies and medical partitioner education. He has
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  educated more than six hundred doctors and medical practitioners in
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  North America, Australia, Norway and Ireland. Today, Doctor Walsh will
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  be sharing with you what he has learned over the
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  past thirty years, developing biochemical therapies that have helped thousands
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  of individuals diagnosed with autism, behavioral disorders ADHD, depression, anxiety, bipolar, schizophrenia,
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  in Alzheimer's disease, doctor Walsh, thank you so much for
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  being on our show.
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  Speaker 2: Oh happy to.
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  Speaker 3: Be with you, Super.
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  Speaker 1: I was thinking today about when I first came across
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  your information, and it was back when I first heard.
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  Do you remember when you did your first episode or
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  your first podcast with Bulletproof Radio.
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  Speaker 2: I think that's about a year and a half ago,
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  maybe two years ago.
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  Speaker 3: Yeah, and I think even longer than that.
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  Speaker 1: I think it was probably I think I did my
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  first training with you back about three years or more ago,
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  and then a recent one again about a year ago.
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  Speaker 2: I think I've been doing about two or three podcast
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  a month, so it's kind of all becoming altogether.
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  Speaker 3: But it was great.
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  Speaker 1: I remember I was in the car and I was
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  listening to the podcast, and as you were talking about
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  nutrient therapy and methylation disorders, and I remember thinking I
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  had never heard it explain quite the way that you
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  explained it, or with the details that you had gotten
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  into it, and I remember thinking that was one of
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  the missing links to the whole piece, the whole puzzles.
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  So I'd love to hear your story. How did you
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  get into thirty years of working with mental disorders? How
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  did you get into this field of mental health and
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  even more particularly, how did you get into working with
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  nutrients for mental health.
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  Speaker 2: Well, I'd like to say that I planned it, but
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  actually it was a complete total accident. I was a
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  scientist at argon National Laboratory as a young man, and
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  I previously worked with places like most animals that used
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  to for comic research. I was involved in basically experimental work,
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  a lot of it in the nuclear area. And I
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  was a young man and Illinois, just started a new
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  job there and just coming out out of grad school,
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  and I decided to start getting involved with volunteerism. There
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  was a lot going on back then, the Peace Corps
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  and similar everybody I knew he was volunteering to do something,
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  and I decided I'd like to get involved with crime
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  and violence and do whatever I might be able to
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  do to possibly reduce it a bit. And I happen
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  to be president of the Argonne chess team. We had
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  about forty five hundred scientists from all over the world,
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  and we thought we were pretty good at Our team
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  thought we were pretty good at chess. We had just
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  won the Chicago Dustrial Championship and I'm like twenty eight
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  teams and over the summer this guy just kept badgering me,
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  why don't we play the prison. We need to keep
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  sharp for the next season. So I scheduled. I couldn't
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  get rid of him, so I scheduled a meeting with
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  the Statefield Penitentiary, one of America's three tough prisons, and
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  I brought twelve PhD scientists chess players, including some pretty
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  terrific players. I had a guy from Russia who was
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  a master, had the youth champion from Yugoslavia. We had
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  a pretty good team. So the long story is they
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  beat us. Wow. So I thought was wonderful, and I
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  got the names of all the people who had won,
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  and I got in the Chicago Forbune the next day
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  and said, prisoners beat scientists. They had about forty five
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  hundred prisoners there and they actually were quite good. Another
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  guy I played had just come on death road, and
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  I was asking what life was like, and he basically
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  told me how terrible it was until that was in
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  population and for better. He was been commuted because they
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  banned the death penalty, and uh, so I offered to
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  help him with props some of the problems he had,
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  and anyway, he looked at me and said, you really
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  mean that, you really mean you'd like to help, And
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  I said, yeah, I would let me know what you know,
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  what you need. So he went off. Our game was
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  over early. I actually beat him. I think I was
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  the fifth or sixth board. You have the best players
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  are at the top and not a sort of in
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  the middle. And he went off for about three minutes,
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  and you another guy got on a legal sheet of
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  paper and started writing down the things they needed. Poor
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  healthcare or healthcare in a prison is absolutely awful. They
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  mentioned that the food is bad, of course, but they
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  mentioned the danger. It only cost twenty bucks to to
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  arride with guard to open your cell door and somebody
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  else's cell door at three o'clock in the morning, which
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  meant somebody was stumming to kill you.
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  Speaker 3: Yoah.
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  Speaker 2: So he gave me a long list of about twenty
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  things they needed, including recreational programs, educational programs, something to
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  help guide them when they get out, some kind of
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  something for when they eventually leave prison. I found out
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  that one out of five of them will leave prison
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  every year, so the problem is how are they going
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  to behave when I get out. Anyway, I spent the
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  next eighteen years of my life working on his list,
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  and I started going regularly to the prison trying to
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  see what I could do about about the recreational programs.
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  I started the art program where prison artists were doing
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  art shows. I think we did eighty seven art shows,
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  and anyway, people learned not was going there. And my
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  colleagues at are Gone and people at local churches where
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  I lived in Naperville all onoi and they all said, hey,
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  here you go to a prison, I come too. Within
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  about two years, I had one hundred organization of one
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  hundred and twenty five people going to the prisons trying
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  to see what we could do these people. Well, we
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  learned that if we're going to really help them the
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  time that he helped us when they get out, because
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  very often they might have been in jail for five
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  or ten or fifteen years and all of a sudden
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  they opened the door and give them fifty dollars and
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  ticket on a bus to either Juliet or Chicago. And
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  you know they most of them don't have a job,
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  no place to go. So we got involved in what
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  I call it well an ex offender program, and that's
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  when my education began. I learned that that in talking
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  and talking with the families that had produced a criminal,
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  I learned something very surprising. I found that many of
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  them came from good families. I had always thought that
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  the criminality is really caused morally by my trauma and
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  early childhood, or bad parenting, or you know, bullying or
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  some kind of physical abuse. I learned that some of
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  these families were terrific and did everything that he could
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  have to help these children. They told the mothers were
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  telling me that they knew there was something around with
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  this child at the time they were one year old.
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  They were different. I also found out that many of
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  their brothers and sisters were fine, but this one kid
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  was different. And so that's when my education began. We
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  even though we were scientists, most of us, we realized
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  we didn't know what we were doing. We didn't know
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  what the cause of violence is. So at that point
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  we started studying, going to the library a lot, and
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  studying psychiatry, criminology, all those sorts of things. And we
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  learned that there was quite a bit of information suggesting
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  that there was a some kind of a predisposition, some
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  kind of a inborn tendency that sort of sent them
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  that direction, and the families were saying, gee, when this
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  kid was two or three years old, we started torturing
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  the family pet families and said that these little kids
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  had actually murdered their pets, and they were oppositional, and
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  they were defiant, and they were violent, and many of
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  them had tried counseling by the time they were three
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  or four years old. A lot of them were on
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  medication by the time there were five or six, a
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  lot of them were special education and and then and
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  then instaly and then usually institutional care by the time
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  they were eight or nine years old. And the family
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  said it seemed like from the time they were born
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  they were headed for the penitentiary, and that's where we
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  wound up.
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  Speaker 3: And that they were trying were really helping much at all.
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  Speaker 2: So, being being scientists and myself being involved in a
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  lot of experimental work, I decided to try to see
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  if I could find out something different than them. So
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  I started getting samples, getting blood samples, urine samples, hair samples,
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  are very violent people and then compared them with controls
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  people who were who were, you know, okay, without a problem,
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  and we found out they were really quite different. And
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  the first thing we found was that that their metal
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  metabolism was really different, things like copper and think we're
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  really astonishingly abnormal. And we found they had mehilation disorders,
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  something called piral disorder. At that time I had run
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  into a die named Carl Pfeiffer.
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  Speaker 3: Have you ever heard, Yeah, renowned psychiatrist.
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  Speaker 2: Yeah. And he gave a lecture at Argun and one
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  day I was I never had heard of him, but
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  I was walking out of on a lamb to come
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  home for supper and I saw there was this this,
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  this lecture that was going to be that night. So
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  I went to his lecturer or about a thousand people
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  in this big auditorium. And here's a guy who he
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  had just spent the last twenty years of his life
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  doing the kind of studies I was beginning to do.
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  He was doing it for schizophrenia. He was renowned as
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  the world's leading nutritional scientists. They announced during his lecture
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  that he had just been nominated for Nobel Prize in
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  Chemistry or Medicine. And he was nominated by my line
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  as Pauling, And he didn't he didn't win, but he
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  I think he deserved it. But he got interested in
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  my research and he volunteered to help, and so after
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  a while he I started bringing criminals, some with people
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  with extraordinarily violent passed to his clinic in Princeton, New Jersey,
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  and we started studying collaborating on studying their chemistry. First
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  it was a group of five socio paths who had
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  done some pretty terrible things, and uh, he found and
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  we found that we've already found a chemical pattern, mainly
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  of straight trace elements that that seemed to indicate social
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  paths and separate them from other violent people. So, uh,
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  it was pretty exciting to visit when when the six
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  of us went to Princeton. I'm not going to talk
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  about all the all the crazy things that happened during
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  that trip, but we shared a two rooms in the
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  in the Holiday Inn in Princeton and three in one
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  room three and the other with the door in between.
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  And the man I shared a bed with had a
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  had bullet holes right down his don's chest. He lost
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  the battle with a with a with a police helicopter.
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  And we had a guy there that was a hit
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  man who had murdered lots of people, and a guy
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  who was a I don't want to get into details,
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  but they were but they all had assoship what we
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  call the sociopathic pattern people we thought were anti social
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  personality disorder. And so after it was all over and uh,
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  they spent the day the clinic. Fighter hit a lab
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  there that was really excellent, and he got all the
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  lab results before they left, and he did the medical history.
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  So I went to see him a four thirty in
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  the afternoon and he said, Bill, this is pretty exciting.
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  They're all the same. They all had they all they
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  all are high high blood history, they're all unre meth belated,
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  they all have high role disorder, they all have low
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  blood spurming. So we wade a look about six different
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  abnormalities and he said they've all got the same odd
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  collection of chemical balances. So I was pretty excited, thinking, well,
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  this is great for research. Maybe we're on something here.
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  And and then something happened that that really sort of
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  changed my life. I started to leave to catch the
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  plane back and he said, no, you can't leave. The
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  other he said, and he handed me five pieces of
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  paper and he said, these are their treatment programs. He said,
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  every one of these imbalances can be created, can be
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  corrected without drugs, and they really should do this because
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  because he said they'll feel better. So that's how we
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  got started in treatment. So we we we we we
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  started them. Most four of the five were willing to
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  do it, and uh. And then he volunteered to see
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  more and more, and eventually we shared five hundred cases
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  of violent people from Illinois, and and we learned early
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  on that the violent criminals, most of them said that
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  life was different within three or four months. It was
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  really helpful. But we found that most of them were
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  back in prison after four or five years. And I
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  kept getting these letters from them saying, well sorry, doctor Wals,
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  but I stopped compliance and all the problems came back.
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  The good news was that we had started working with children,
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  violent violent children in the Illinois area. And the results
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  with them was not only excellent as far as we
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  could tell based on the reports of the families and
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  their teachers and sometimes they're psychiatrists, but it seemed to
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  be enduring. And so we learned. By nineteen I say
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  laid in eighteen eighties, we learned that we really were
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  having a low success with the violent adults, which is
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  my boy. I hope we could turn these people in
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  the pussycats. But what we found was that it seemed
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  to be far more effective with children, so at that
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  time we focused on kids. So that's how we started.
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  And after a while, the great man Carl Pfeifer said,
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  every time I would be to me and say, Bill,
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  what's really needed is a clinic, an outpatient clinic in
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  Ago area for behavior to start. And eventually I realized
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  he met me.
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  Speaker 3: One thing other than another.
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  Speaker 2: Ravid Ragon started a not for profit public charity and
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  we and I assembled organizations best I could, started very small,
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  and we opened the clinic and eventually saw thirty thousand patients.
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  We eventually had a staff for about between forty five
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  and fifty people, a number of doctors, nurses, and we
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  just saw enormous numbers of people. So that's all I
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  got started. And it's now twenty nineteen and I no
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  longer am doing clinical work. I'm now engaged in a
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  different public charity and I write books. I've got a
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  team that travels around the world training doctors. Will be
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  in two months will be in Australia, Melbourne with another
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  eighty doctors, including quite a few psychiatrists, and train them
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  how to do these protocols which which not only worked
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  for behavior. But we we uh. We did initial study
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  back with flight for back in the eighties. Not only
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  did we get reports of the behavior getting better, we
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  got a lot of reports of families saying, Wow, their
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  their greats are so much better. We didn't know this
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  child was smart. And we learned that we are treatments
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  for these very same chemical and balances were appear to
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  be very successful helping people with ADHD and what they
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  used to call minimal brain function. So so once we
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  opened the clinic, that was our focus. But then one
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  thing led to another, uh, and we had a woman
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  and she real We called it a Fight for Treatment Center.
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  Doctor Pheiffer died just before we opened the clinic. He
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  was going to be our doctor for the first six
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  six months of patients. He was going to advise us
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  on every one of them. He died just before we opened.
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  We called it the Karl Fight for Treatment Center. Well,
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  some people recognize that as a expertise in schizophrenia. So
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  this woman came in and offered us a big donation
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  if we would start seeing schizophrenics. So we started seeing
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  schizophrenics and found we could help most of them too,
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  and eventually we got involved with autism depression, anxiety, by
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  polar disorder, and then finally all sudder. So that's how
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  it all started. It's kind of a long answer to
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  your first question, but that's good.
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  Speaker 1: It seems like you guys, mostly you focus on almost
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  all mental health, it sounds like for the most part.
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  Speaker 2: Because I didn't want to do that, I reluctantly started schizophrenia,
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  thinking that we got a full plate because there are
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  so many people behavior and ADHD problems. The autism happened
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  by accident. A small child from Michigan showed up at
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  our clinic one day, and this little guy was different
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  from anybody I'd ever seen before. He was just running
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  constantly around the circle and on repetitive movements. He was
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  not able to speak, seemed quite right, and I asked
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  my staff, well, how did this happen? How did this
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  mistake happen? And they said, well, they're sorry, we didn't
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  know he was autistic. The problem was he got better,
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  we fixed his chemistry, and the parents said, hey, he's
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  remarkably better. Well, I don't know if you're familiar with
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  all the autism families, but you can't say no to
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  one of these dedicated autism families and word got out
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  and eventually I've seen six thousand, five hundred families with autism.
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  I think I've seen more autistics than anybody in the world. Again,
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  all by accident, and so that's how we got started.
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  We got lucky in doing this. We've learned we did
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  a lot of study of neurotransmitters, because really the abnormalities
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  we find in behavior and depression and whatever has a
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  lot to do with neurotransmitter systems that are not functioning properly.
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  So we got lucky and found that only about six
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  or seven nutrients have a really powerful effect and impact
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  on brain function. And you know, there's more than three
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  hundred really important nutrients in the body. And this is
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  really good luck because can you imagine if we had
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  to do hundreds of lab tests, or if we had
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  to develop treatment therapies for hundreds of imbalances, that would
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  be almost unworkable. But we got lucky, and it turns
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  out that we have a certain number of imbalances that
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  dominate problems for most people ninety five percent of the people.
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  So we've developed the protocol over time for correcting these
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  chemical imbalances. What we do is a medical procedure done
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  by a medical licensed medical professional and who we have
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  trained and helped and guided and to help them to
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  learn how to do this which is not that complicated
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  and so it involves a very good medical history. We
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  learned that symptoms and traits can really help guide to
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  a diagnosis. I did a study of over and undermethylation
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  once where I had a researcher spend six months looking
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  at thousands of charts looking at the characteristics and traits
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  of people who are very over methylated and those who
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  were very undermethilated. And we and we found that there
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  are symptoms and traits associated with that. For example, we
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  learned that undermethilated people seventy five percent of them have
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  allergies to grasses and colonies, and inhalent allergies only five
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  percent of over metholated people. We found that ninety five
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  percent of people who are under methodis are sort of
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  have some OCD tendencies, very few of the others. So
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  we we then assembled we now have a list of
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  symptoms and traits that can help us and actually our doctors.
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  We're pretty good at predicting the lab results before we
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  do the lab results, but then we also do lab
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  testing and blood in air and usually you get confirmation
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  between the two and then we can confidently put together
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  a treatment program which will normalize these nutrient factors that
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  are abnormal, hopefully normalizing to some degree the Neuer transmission characteristics.
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  And so that's sort of the summary of what we
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  do are. My goal is originally to train and to
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  enable a thousand doctors to do this, and we're in
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  about two years of getting there by the end of
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  by the end of April, we'll have close to eight hundred,
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  and some of these are really dedicated, terrific doctors, include
• 23:04
  some mdphds, and we're getting a growing number of psychiatrists.
• 23:09
  The most enthusiastic docs we now have are psychiatrists who
• 23:15
  we're finding that a lot of them are not real happy.
• 23:18
  They spend all this time in medical school, and in
• 23:21
  the USA at least, they're only allowed thirty minutes and
• 23:23
  they see at first dictatient and they spend all their
• 23:26
  time wondering, all what medication should I give them? Well,
• 23:29
  that's not you know, that's not medical and scientific, and
• 23:33
  they must prefer our system whereby the first thing they
• 23:37
  do is they do some relatively inexpensive blood and nerd tests,
• 23:42
  and then this guides them to understand which nerve transmitters
• 23:46
  are malfunctioning, whether they have too much or too little
• 23:49
  expression at these at these nerk at these receptor systems
• 23:54
  and UH and they have a treatment that is with
• 23:57
  nutrients that can help this especially good ever since the
• 24:02
  science of epigenetics has come around, and now for the
• 24:05
  first time in ten years, we can we can adjust
• 24:09
  gene expression, we can adjust neurotransmission. We can we can adjust,
• 24:15
  for example, serotonin reupdate without having to use an anti depressent.
• 24:20
  We're not we're not opposed to drugs, to pharmaceutical Now
• 24:25
  now they're calling the biologics and advertising it sounds a
• 24:28
  little softer, but we're not at all proposed. I've opposed.
• 24:32
  I've met hundreds and hundreds of people who said that
• 24:36
  that the presence like prosaic and bas only have saved
• 24:39
  their lives. However, a lot of this can be done
• 24:43
  with nutrients. In many cases you can We've had pieces
• 24:47
  of people who were taking taken medication, high levels of medication,
• 24:51
  and we have we would always have to do both
• 24:53
  together and then once once our embasis had been corrected,
• 24:59
  maybe after three four months, we suggest maybe they try
• 25:02
  lower and lower, you know, levels of the medication to
• 25:05
  see where they're at their best, since there's a new reality.
• 25:09
  We lived that with depression, behavior, ADHD, and anxiety, those
• 25:15
  those four problems, about eighty percent that they were at
• 25:19
  their best with zero medication. Said they lose something if
• 25:24
  they go all the way to zero, and we say,
• 25:26
  so be it, continue the medication. So that's basically that
• 25:30
  part of it. Working with bipolar and schizophrenia and autism
• 25:37
  are more complex, more difficult. I believe they are diseases
• 25:42
  in which DNA repair has caused a permanent change in
• 25:48
  gene expression. So these people have a multitude of problems,
• 25:53
  and so our success rates are less. We might have
• 25:57
  eighty or eighty five percent of the family saying we've
• 25:59
  really help them in life is better, but it's not
• 26:02
  as not as often that we get what you would
• 26:05
  call it completely covered the relatively easy things from our
• 26:10
  part of view, in terms of the likely of having
• 26:13
  somebody get completely better. Behavior disorders, ADHD, anxiety, and depression.
• 26:21
  Speaker 1: Yeah, and that's often when I find in clinic too,
• 26:23
  when I'm seeing patients with anxiety, depression or children with ADHD,
• 26:27
  learning behaviors. I'm always super excited to see outside of
• 26:32
  the symptoms. Like you said, I would say probably about
• 26:34
  eighty five to ninety percent of the time you have
• 26:37
  a pretty good idea based on their symptoms from a
• 26:39
  good case intake, on what you're looking at, and then
• 26:42
  it's just the lad work helps just kind of reinforce
• 26:44
  that and to show it to the patient what we're
• 26:46
  working with, and it gives you a platform to be
• 26:48
  able to see the changes that are going on to
• 26:51
  tie with.
• 26:51
  Speaker 2: The symptoms exactly.
• 26:54
  Speaker 1: You had mentioned a couple of things before. I just
• 26:55
  want to clear up as far as for the main
• 27:00
  balances that you that you work with. You're talking about
• 27:02
  metal metabolism, pyals and methylation. I wonder if you can
• 27:06
  break some of those down for people. So when you
• 27:08
  talk about metal metabolism imbalances, what are the primary ones
• 27:12
  you see and what kind of symptoms comes from that.
• 27:16
  Speaker 2: Okay, we found these really after working with thousands and
• 27:20
  thousands of patients and also from from our guidance in
• 27:24
  the beginning from the great doctor Pfeiffert, and we started
• 27:27
  looking at some of the same factors that he found.
• 27:30
  For example, he told me the first day I met him,
• 27:32
  he learned about our early research with prisoners that are
• 27:36
  got National Laboratory. He pointed out that his first good
• 27:40
  data was mettle metabolism, things like copper and zinc, for example.
• 27:44
  We've learned that me if you know, most people have
• 27:49
  a we most of us have have a system's natural
• 27:53
  that that normalizes and controls copper and zinc into bloodstream.
• 27:57
  Some people don't have that capability because of of etics
• 28:00
  primarily sometimes bad diet, but usually genetics. And if if
• 28:05
  a person's copper level escalates beyond what it should be,
• 28:10
  it causes a rather dramatic impact on dopamine and neuropen efferent,
• 28:14
  two of the major nerve transmitters, because copper is involved
• 28:18
  in the in the the conversion of bilpamine and doorpan efferent,
• 28:23
  which is where all the door effort comes from. And
• 28:25
  if you have too much copper, then what happens is
• 28:29
  you're deficient and low and buildamine and at the same
• 28:32
  time overloaded and neuropon efferent, which means anxiety, sleep problems,
• 28:37
  in some cases psychosis. So uh, that's why those metals are,
• 28:42
  why copper so important, zinc and is associated if you're
• 28:46
  if you're if you're zinc deficient. Zinc is used in
• 28:49
  about one hundred different enzymes, and it can cause all
• 28:52
  kinds of physical but also mental problems. It has a
• 28:56
  bigger impact on the gas system. If you have low
• 28:59
  zinc levels, you're you're you're not getting the protection from
• 29:02
  your GAMA on your transmitters as as as you would like.
• 29:06
  It has something of an effect on serotonin and and
• 29:09
  a really major effect on the n M d A
• 29:11
  receptor complex. So we now know why it has that
• 29:18
  bells have that kind of an impact. But that's only
• 29:20
  one of about seven problems. We found that methylation is
• 29:25
  extraordinarily important. And the reason really is that methylation is
• 29:30
  so important to gene expression. From the time you're born
• 29:33
  the nine months during the nine months of development of
• 29:37
  the baby and new all of our DNA's and all
• 29:41
  of the different tissues and cell lines in the body. Uh,
• 29:46
  they all have the same DNA, identical DNA, but every
• 29:50
  part of the body needs different chemicals and and O
• 29:55
  our DNA works for us all day every day. It
• 29:58
  produces all of these these chemicals needed for ourselves. However,
• 30:05
  you need a different mix of that. You need a
• 30:06
  number of different ingredients. So the way that is done
• 30:10
  is really quite beautifully done during the first nine months
• 30:13
  in the room, and what happens is what they call bookmarking.
• 30:18
  And the way it works is that in most cases
• 30:21
  you have methyl groups methylation parts of the DNA that
• 30:25
  can reduce or shut off the unwanted chemicals, and that's
• 30:29
  how that system works. So now what we've learned, so
• 30:35
  that means that people who are born undermethylated because of
• 30:38
  what happened before they were born. There are the people
• 30:40
  who have these the symptoms and traits, and they'll have
• 30:43
  them probably the rest of their lives. They'll be competitive,
• 30:47
  there'll be a tendency for obsessic cause of this order.
• 30:50
  They'll have a greater than their tendency for depression. They
• 30:54
  tend to be highly successful. Most doctors and scientists and
• 30:58
  great athletes are under metholi. But the obviously can happen too.
• 31:03
  They can be overmethylated. They can have too much of
• 31:07
  that happening before they're born. And another thing that happens
• 31:11
  is that methylation can change gene expression after they're born.
• 31:17
  That's what's really neat. So if we find someone who's
• 31:19
  born with under methylation, then they happen to have a
• 31:22
  disorder related to that, like depression, we can use We
• 31:27
  now have nutrient therapies that can that can normalize methylation
• 31:33
  and to a degree and sometimes nicely normalize the neurotransmitter envelments.
• 31:41
  So that's why methylation is important. There's also something called
• 31:44
  the pyal disorder, now that that's really a name we
• 31:48
  give to a condition that involves extraordinary oxidative stress, just
• 31:54
  an overload of these free radicals that could go through
• 31:57
  the body and the brain and can damp image sells
• 32:01
  and can damage cell components and damage really neurow transmission.
• 32:07
  And we've learned that this is especially important for people
• 32:12
  who have autism or schizophrenia, bipolar because those are caused
• 32:18
  as cancer is by the way, caused by loss of
• 32:23
  integrity of our DNA, and it can't quite quickly. What
• 32:27
  cancer we now know is in the event where you
• 32:30
  get to the point where part of your DNA is
• 32:32
  overwhelmed with oxidative stress or possibly a chemical that it
• 32:37
  can't tolerate. Our DNA is remarkable. We have thirty trillion
• 32:42
  DNAs on the average, and every one of them is
• 32:45
  massacred and torn apart and ripped apart more than ten
• 32:50
  thousand times a day. It's hard to believe we have
• 32:53
  this thing called DNA repair. Three guys got a Nobil
• 32:59
  price five years ago because they worked out all the
• 33:01
  details of DNA repair our DNA. It can be single
• 33:05
  when double strand breaks, that can't be a chemical be there.
• 33:09
  It all gets corrected really quickly. It's like we've got
• 33:12
  a thousand repairmn every little cell fixing our DNA. Sometimes
• 33:17
  that gets overwhelmed, and that I think is when you
• 33:22
  have the onset of these what I used to call
• 33:24
  epigodetic disorders, things like a schizophrenia breakdown or an autism
• 33:29
  regression event that often handles around age two. And since
• 33:33
  these are complex disorders because they usually involve maybe fifty
• 33:38
  or one hundred or five hundred genes, and so you've
• 33:41
  got a multipude of systems that need correction, and that's
• 33:43
  why clinical will work with these people. It's so complex
• 33:47
  and so hard to make real progress for them.
• 33:52
  Speaker 1: It leads me to a question to doctor Wills, when
• 33:56
  you're talking about methylation. A lot of time is now
• 34:00
  I'm getting patients that'll come in and they've done a
• 34:02
  series of different genetic tests that have told them that
• 34:04
  they have methylation and balance. Now I basically have to
• 34:09
  go through and explain that there's a lot more to
• 34:11
  it than what you just see from a genetic panel.
• 34:14
  Wondering you can shed a little bit of light on that,
• 34:16
  because what I'm often finding is that people that find
• 34:20
  out that there might be a methylation and balance then
• 34:23
  often start treating themselves with certain key methyl donors, assuming
• 34:29
  that that's the best idea that they can do. And
• 34:32
  you kind of find that unless you know a little
• 34:34
  bit deeper down the rabbit hole about it, the treatment's
• 34:37
  very different. I'm wondering if you could just shed a
• 34:39
  little bit of light on the genetic testing and how
• 34:41
  that mixes with others.
• 34:45
  Speaker 2: I actually feel guilty about this because of eighteen nineteen
• 34:50
  eighty nine nineteen ninety, working with authors of patients, I
• 34:54
  discovered that nearly all of them were under METHYLID. At
• 34:57
  that time, nobody was paying attention to methylation, and so
• 35:00
  once this got known, starting in the Office of Community
• 35:04
  and then later all other parts of complementary medicine, people
• 35:08
  get interested in methylation with respect to these problems. And
• 35:14
  what we found is that seventy percent of humans are
• 35:16
  normal methilation, twenty two percent are under eight percent over
• 35:21
  But what happened was once these really great DNA and
• 35:25
  analyses were available, we now know that there's this thing
• 35:28
  called a complex system that we call the one carbon
• 35:32
  cycle or the methylation cycle, and we know the enzymes
• 35:36
  that impact that. And what happened is we now have
• 35:41
  there are I think millions of people now have had
• 35:43
  those tests and they've identified what they call snips or
• 35:48
  mutations in some of these enzymes, especially one called MPHFR
• 35:54
  and a few others. And if you have a mutation,
• 35:57
  say the MPTY special mutation and in the MTHFR it's
• 36:02
  called six seventy seventy or the twelve ninety eight, you
• 36:06
  know that that will that will really inhibit their methylation
• 36:09
  capability and can cause on your methylation. So some smart
• 36:13
  people says, aha, if that's not working, what's just the
• 36:17
  product of that reaction that can't go, which is called
• 36:20
  methyl folli. It's a nutrient. The problem is that the
• 36:26
  DNA tests only look at under methylation. There aren't any
• 36:31
  yet there are finding factors that could cause over methhylation.
• 36:37
  There are DNA sniffs that could cause over methylation and
• 36:40
  it's like a tonne of work. And I found I
• 36:43
  found people with the MTHFR who were who were in
• 36:46
  fact over methylated. It has determines which it depends on
• 36:50
  which of these mutations is winning the battle. Well, we
• 36:54
  also learned something about epigenetics. We've learned that fullys, whether
• 37:00
  it's fully acid, pleinic anthim or methyl folate, they not,
• 37:06
  They really reduce by an epigenetic mechanism. They reduce the
• 37:10
  neuro transmission of serotonin and dopamine. So let's say you've
• 37:14
  got an undermeflated person who's depressed, and let's say they're
• 37:18
  undermefilated and they have low serotonin activity. If you give
• 37:22
  them methyl fol eight, the methylation would improve and the
• 37:26
  patient would get dramatically worse because because folates are a
• 37:32
  serotonin reuptake promoter, they need wanting to reuptake in ambition
• 37:40
  so that the serotonin will remain in a sitans longer.
• 37:43
  And and well, we've known for thirty years that that
• 37:47
  it's not the amount of serotonin that matters, it's the
• 37:50
  reuptake that matters, which is why we have these antidepressants
• 37:54
  light like Prozac and pets and all the others and
• 37:58
  they are effective at enhancing serotonin inactivity, albeit often in
• 38:03
  side effects that people are like, well, the problem then
• 38:07
  is you don't even if you do the today testing
• 38:11
  and you find Aha, there's this mt hfr uh and
• 38:15
  balance these people, you must not give the methal folly too,
• 38:20
  because they will get worse and I think some of
• 38:23
  them probably committed suicide. So it's a you need to
• 38:28
  look at the overall picture. Like you say, it's more complex,
• 38:30
  and I think the doctors that we work with, I
• 38:33
  think they all understand us really quite well, and so
• 38:35
  there they can identify who might profit from it, who
• 38:39
  would not. If you've got an undermethlated person who has
• 38:44
  the the mt hfr problem and they don't have a
• 38:47
  serotonin problem, methal fol it's a great thing to give them. Yes,
• 38:52
  do well on it, methal folly. A few of them
• 38:54
  get horribly worse, and they are the autistics who have
• 38:57
  low serotonin tendencies.
• 39:00
  Speaker 1: Which really comes down to why it's so important to
• 39:02
  do a proper clinical intake and get a lot of
• 39:05
  symptoms and really get to know the patient and what
• 39:07
  they're dealing with, and then use some of the labs
• 39:10
  to help confirm it, and I think sometimes a difference
• 39:13
  between looking at just markers from genetics versus also looking
• 39:18
  at real functional markers. Like you said, a lot of
• 39:20
  times with methylation, it's a bit of a tuggle war.
• 39:23
  So sometimes the only way you really know who's winning
• 39:25
  the battles to see a functional marker that gives you
• 39:27
  a clear picture almost at the end of the day,
• 39:30
  what do you lean towards?
• 39:32
  Speaker 2: Yes, and I think you need at the impact on
• 39:35
  the dural transmitters that might be misbehaving.
• 39:41
  Speaker 1: One other thing we were talking about was with autism
• 39:44
  and is there a group of patients with autism? It's
• 39:48
  this comes up a lot of time. I get asked
• 39:50
  a lot of times around patients with that are autistic,
• 39:52
  especially when there when they're quite young, and around vaccinations
• 39:56
  and if there's anything they need to be careful about,
• 39:58
  which group of the pop relation from what you've seen
• 40:01
  with different potential imbalances needs to be more careful And
• 40:07
  is there a reason why they might need to be
• 40:08
  careful with some of that.
• 40:10
  Speaker 2: Yeah, I researched that along with a lot of colleagues,
• 40:13
  and there's a lot of really solid research out there.
• 40:16
  I think we've discovered what the predisposition for autism is,
• 40:19
  the inborn predisposition. We know there is that because if
• 40:22
  you look at identical twins you have you don't have concordance.
• 40:28
  If one gets autism, the other one may not. But
• 40:31
  if you compare identical twins and fraternal twins, there's a
• 40:33
  huge difference if you've got If you've got identical twins,
• 40:37
  it's between sixty and ninety percent likely the other will
• 40:40
  also be autistic. If it's fraternal, it's only about five
• 40:43
  to ten percent. So we know that there's a genetic predisposition,
• 40:48
  but it's not one hundred percent. And the one thing
• 40:51
  I've seen in all virtually every autistic that I've seen
• 40:56
  is they have extraordinary oxidative orload. They are learn with
• 41:00
  a weakness in the natural protectors against oxidative stress, things
• 41:04
  like glutathione, the callifying, on and on. We have eight
• 41:08
  or nine really marvelous natural protectors that that can cope
• 41:13
  with with the with the oxidative overload you get from
• 41:16
  cosmic radiation, from from bad diet, from toxics, whatever, some
• 41:22
  people are born with a deficiency and protection and I
• 41:26
  think those are the people who are who are vulnerable
• 41:29
  to autism. Now, a lot of people will get concerned
• 41:31
  about mercury and vaccinations. Well, it turns out that these
• 41:35
  people are in fact especially vulnerable to mercury and especially
• 41:40
  vulnerable to lovaccinations containing mercury. It doesn't mean that mercury
• 41:46
  is the reason why people get autistic, but it's one
• 41:48
  of one of one of the challenges they have. And
• 41:52
  I'm trying to develop a system. We now have a
• 41:55
  way of identifying with simple law. With lab tests, we
• 41:59
  can identify people who are on the verge, who are
• 42:04
  just who are vulnerable and about to develop autism. We
• 42:07
  can do that now with the lab testing, we know
• 42:10
  which part of the DNA is most vulnerable. The weak
• 42:13
  link is the guanting nucleotide. We've got so much DNA
• 42:18
  in our system. Once the wanting starts to be assaulted,
• 42:22
  it shows up on a bloodstream. So I think we
• 42:24
  can I I'm hoping to write a book sometime called
• 42:27
  the End of Autism. I really believe that the answer
• 42:31
  with autism is really prevention, and I think that we
• 42:34
  can do testing right after birth, identify the ones who
• 42:38
  are most vulnerable, and there's a strategy we can give
• 42:42
  them that can protect them until we're three years old.
• 42:45
  Once they get the three years old, they won't get autism.
• 42:48
  All autism happens PERVCT. It's a developmental that's sort now
• 42:54
  for those who have autism, we've allowed myself and a
• 42:58
  number of really terrific reasons or have worked out a
• 43:01
  lot of therapies that can help them. Most autistic families
• 43:05
  are told once they once they're diagnosed, they're told, I'm
• 43:09
  sorry to say your child is autistic. This is incurable,
• 43:13
  and they and they described the future that is really
• 43:17
  not very inspired. They imply that it's a it's a
• 43:22
  really severe disorder and that it will not be cannot
• 43:26
  be corrected, and there are a few things that can
• 43:28
  be done to make life somewhat better. What we've learned
• 43:32
  is that we need to tell every family with a
• 43:35
  young autistic child that don't believe this treatment is treatment
• 43:42
  is effective, and recovery is possible, not likely, but possible.
• 43:49
  And we learned you have early intervention is everything. You
• 43:52
  have to intervene early. We find that they all have
• 43:56
  extraordinary chemistry. They all have extraordinarily extraordinary oxidative overload, which
• 44:03
  affects the brain, which affects information. They all have immune problems,
• 44:09
  they all have GI tract issues. I think again because
• 44:13
  so many of their genes are non malfunctioning. So if
• 44:19
  you have a child with autism, I suggest you find
• 44:21
  one of these experts. And I think I'm sure you
• 44:23
  have them in Toronto. Maybe you're one of them.
• 44:25
  Speaker 1: Yeah, lotimes, And but.
• 44:29
  Speaker 2: You've had good success with the with the autistics you've
• 44:32
  worked with. There's one therapy we developed that we find
• 44:36
  especially helpful. It's called metalifining promotion. We found that virtually
• 44:41
  all autistics were low in a genetically expressed puilteing called metalifying,
• 44:47
  not finding but me talifining, and it's involved in brain development,
• 44:52
  which tends to be incomplete in autism. So we developed
• 44:55
  a therapy to enhance this because we think there are
• 44:58
  mutations in that in the metallifinding system and in the
• 45:04
  in the autistics. Most of them I think are extraordinarily
• 45:07
  deficient in this. So we we've had good success with that.
• 45:10
  But there are other therapies. There are a number of
• 45:12
  therapies that work well. One therapy that I think is
• 45:15
  terrible that is now mainstream is to give them respired
• 45:18
  all because they've learned that if you have a autistic
• 45:25
  patient who has a big behavior problem, maybe vient, maybe
• 45:32
  they bang their head against the wall. They found that
• 45:34
  we're spared all can can help the behavior. The problem
• 45:38
  is we now also know that we're spared all and
• 45:41
  all of the atypical elements. Psychiatics slowly and gradually shrink
• 45:45
  the brain. They slowly and gradually reduce cortex minds, And.
• 45:51
  Speaker 3: That's quite definite.
• 45:52
  Speaker 2: It's been published in peer reviewed top journals even in psychiatry,
• 45:56
  and uh it's it's it's proportional to the dosage of
• 45:59
  partial the wink the time they take it. I don't think.
• 46:01
  I think that is the last thing you want to
• 46:03
  give a young autistic with a problem with the brain
• 46:06
  development to add that problem. That's something I really have
• 46:10
  been advocating that families not do. But there are a
• 46:14
  lot of really good therapies that can help. But I
• 46:17
  think in the USA and I probably Canada also, we
• 46:19
  now have I think a couple of thousand doctors that
• 46:22
  are really good, good at this h.
• 46:27
  Speaker 1: Well, it's been such a it's been gradually one of
• 46:29
  those conditions that seems to be just progressing the year
• 46:33
  after year after year. So I think you're getting more
• 46:36
  and more people interested in trying to find some solutions
• 46:39
  for it.
• 46:40
  Speaker 2: I found something interesting in that too. I started doing
• 46:42
  a number of w search with University of California, with
• 46:45
  the University of Pittsburgh and others published studies we did.
• 46:50
  And now since I had this clinic that hit his
• 46:54
  high volume of autistics, we were supplying the autistics. So
• 46:57
  when they volunteered for a study, we would do the
• 46:59
  special blood bloodwork. What I found was there was a
• 47:04
  big change in two thousand and five. Before that time,
• 47:10
  if a child came to our athletic and was diagnosed
• 47:12
  with autism, they I would say ninety five percent or
• 47:16
  more actually had autism. It was a solid diagnosis. It
• 47:20
  was classic what I call Canner autism, which is a
• 47:24
  really severe disorder. And some of them were Aspergers, but
• 47:28
  the Aspergers, true aspergers, there's a very you know, really
• 47:32
  severe disorder. The So something changed about two thousand and five,
• 47:41
  and from that time on, people started talking about the
• 47:44
  autism spectrum. Autism spectrum disorder. They're about eleven or twelve
• 47:49
  classic symptoms of autism. Well, if doctors were now saying, gee,
• 47:55
  if you this child's got six or seven or four
• 47:57
  or five aspects associated with autism think they're on the
• 48:00
  autism spectrum. I don't think they really have autism. They don't.
• 48:06
  And these are the people who get completely better, relatively
• 48:09
  easily because they don't have the change in their DNA,
• 48:12
  they don't have this epigenetic disorder.
• 48:15
  Speaker 1: So what do you think is primarily behind that group
• 48:17
  of people?
• 48:18
  Speaker 3: Then? That is?
• 48:19
  Speaker 1: Is that more related to things like changes in the gut,
• 48:23
  bio being multiple chemical sensitivity like all of these other
• 48:27
  environmental conditions, excessive EMF like is a group that's more
• 48:31
  sensitive that type of stuff?
• 48:33
  Speaker 3: Do you think are not?
• 48:35
  Speaker 2: Really? I think what it really is that these are
• 48:37
  people who have problems like that that can cause the
• 48:41
  symptoms they see, any issues they have, but it hasn't
• 48:44
  been enough. They haven't had enough oxidative overload to really
• 48:50
  cause their DNA to malfunction in a great way. I
• 48:53
  think that's the difference. I don't think there's any particular thing. Yes,
• 48:58
  if they have ability at handling casing and gluten, which
• 49:02
  are the most difficult proteins for the geotract to break up, yes,
• 49:06
  it would be more likely to it if they have
• 49:08
  If they have a yeast overgrowth, if they have immune problems,
• 49:14
  you could go on and on. They'd be more they
• 49:17
  have more of a tendency to be on the spectrum
• 49:20
  without really having classic auntism. But a lot of these
• 49:24
  people they call that I now find diagnose with autism
• 49:28
  spector disorder are the same people we saw who we
• 49:30
  had ADHD or had behavior disorders in many cases, and
• 49:35
  they can be they can be corrected relatively easily. You
• 49:38
  see a lot of doctors now talking about all the
• 49:40
  autistics who are now normal. Well, I hope it's correct,
• 49:45
  and but I think most of them are probably the
• 49:47
  ones who didn't have classic contents.
• 49:50
  Speaker 3: Gotcha?
• 49:52
  Speaker 1: How long does it generally take do you find for
• 49:55
  the different conditions as far as before patient's going to
• 49:58
  start to see some real significant And I know from
• 50:01
  from what I see in clinic when we're doing it
• 50:03
  that I want to ask you, because you're the expert
• 50:06
  in this and sort of what you've found.
• 50:08
  Speaker 2: I think you already know because you've been seeing patients.
• 50:11
  The quickest patience to get better are the ones who
• 50:14
  have a pyal disorder and nothing else wrong. I'll always
• 50:18
  have to see.
• 50:19
  Speaker 3: Those patients show up.
• 50:21
  Speaker 2: Whenever a violent child would walk into our clinic. Our
• 50:24
  staff would be relaxed and smile because we knew this
• 50:27
  is going to be easy. We're going to buy you
• 50:29
  able to find out what's wrong, and they're going to
• 50:31
  get better. At most of them are going to get
• 50:32
  better quickly. We've had violent, violent, even teenagers who maybe
• 50:38
  were violent five or ten times a day and just
• 50:40
  in terrible shape, who within a week were notably better.
• 50:44
  You've probably seen that already, But that's only if that's
• 50:47
  the only imbalance. Very often a patient might have two
• 50:50
  or three balances. If their problem is metal metabolysm if
• 50:54
  they've got the copper or the zinc imbalance, that's sixty days.
• 50:58
  It takes sixty days for that to be normalized. And
• 51:02
  usually nothing good happen in the first three weeks, and
• 51:05
  they start to get better. The most reports, they start
• 51:07
  to get better the fourth week, and then after six weeks,
• 51:10
  if the doses are correct and really balance the metals,
• 51:13
  then you've got the full effective methylation disorders. Over methylation
• 51:20
  usually nothing good happens the first month, but they get
• 51:24
  better by the second month, and under methylation is the
• 51:29
  toughest one we've got because it can often be six
• 51:32
  weeks three months before you get real impact. The reason
• 51:36
  is what we're doing with our treatment for under methylation
• 51:39
  is we are slowly and gradually changing the genus expression
• 51:44
  of these re update transport proteins, and it's a slow process,
• 51:48
  and we're changing the population in their pre synantic neurons,
• 51:55
  and that takes time. And so I don't know what
• 51:57
  your experience is, but in my case, or for depression
• 52:01
  and anxiety, if it's under methylation, we tell a family
• 52:05
  don't expect much to happen the first month, however, there
• 52:09
  should be some improve and month two, but it might
• 52:11
  take six months to get this Donephritic or have severe
• 52:16
  bite polar it takes even longer. It might take eight
• 52:19
  months to a year to get the full benefits of
• 52:22
  a methylation therapy. So it varies for condition to condition.
• 52:28
  Speaker 1: Yeah, definitely the same as what I find. I'm always
• 52:31
  excited when I see someone that comes in with just
• 52:33
  straight high pirals.
• 52:34
  Speaker 3: It's easy.
• 52:35
  Speaker 1: Usually within six weeks they're significantly better, and often even sooner.
• 52:41
  Speaker 2: They think you're a genius, so they become your best friends.
• 52:44
  Speaker 1: But what I often find is it's very seldom I
• 52:46
  actually see any one disorder. I almost always see combinations
• 52:50
  of disorders because why even the symptoms blur a little
• 52:53
  bit sometimes because you get a mix of different conditions
• 52:58
  playing into different symptoms for the patient.
• 53:01
  Speaker 2: The hardest group are the ones are differentiating between over
• 53:05
  methylation and higher one. Some of the symbtoms are the same.
• 53:09
  Speaker 1: High anxiety, they overlap significantly a lot of times, yeah,
• 53:12
  and treated completely different, which is which is important. Why
• 53:16
  why I really liked the Walsh approach in general is
• 53:20
  because I you know, in the world of functional medicine
• 53:22
  and natural medicine, a lot of times there's lots of
• 53:25
  different things that are good for lots of different things.
• 53:28
  But the bottom line is it's it's nice to really
• 53:31
  be able to dial it in so you know, from
• 53:34
  an individual basis, what does that person specifically need because
• 53:38
  it makes such a difference. And a lot of times
• 53:40
  people think we'll just give them everything, and it's like
• 53:42
  nutrient accesses will cause just as much impalances as nutrient
• 53:46
  deficiencies will.
• 53:47
  Speaker 2: So that was my first surprise at working with patients.
• 53:51
  I originally thought, really the thing that it was to
• 53:53
  find out which nutrients they're deficient in and give it
• 53:56
  to them. And I learned that very often you get
• 54:00
  the most of this shift from nutrients that are overloaded
• 54:03
  because of genetics.
• 54:05
  Speaker 3: Yeah, Fainy the same thing.
• 54:07
  Speaker 1: And a lot of times people are coming in and
• 54:09
  having to go off of a lot of things and
• 54:10
  then really fine tune the whole picture again for them.
• 54:14
  Speaker 2: The key. The key is biochemical individuality, who person is
• 54:19
  with respective efficiencies and overloads, and then normalizing them as
• 54:23
  as you can.
• 54:24
  Speaker 1: Yeah, we're coming up on time here. I just want
• 54:27
  to ask you one other quick question. Where do you
• 54:30
  find the role for some of the other pieces. I know,
• 54:32
  when I'm looking at mental health in general, I think
• 54:35
  of it from perspectives, So I think often I find
• 54:38
  like the advanced nutrient therapy, which is the work that
• 54:41
  you've done and through your book. I often that's the
• 54:44
  first piece because I want to get an idea of like,
• 54:46
  is there something biochemical that's going on? It's just you're
• 54:49
  only you're going to hit rate limiting step unless you
• 54:51
  start to get that corrected first. Then I often look
• 54:54
  at things like diet, blood sugar regulation, food allergies, look
• 55:00
  at mind, body, spirit, working with all that, and then
• 55:02
  this whole area of self regulation on how do you
• 55:05
  how do you help kids adapt parenting. There's all these
• 55:08
  sort of big pieces of it. What have you kind
• 55:11
  of found from your experience in the field for so long,
• 55:14
  how those other parts play into it as well?
• 55:16
  Speaker 2: Well. I think diets are really important, and we usually
• 55:19
  do evaluate diet. Of course, a bad diet of nothing
• 55:22
  but jump food, you know, that's a terrible idea. But
• 55:24
  we also know a few other things. We know for example,
• 55:27
  if you're undermethylated, you would thrive on a protein based diet.
• 55:31
  These are people would get worse that they had a
• 55:33
  lot of green leafy vegetables because of all the folies, right, methining, yeah, protein,
• 55:41
  because that's where the methyl comes from for protein. However,
• 55:44
  if they're over methilated, and the opposite is true, and
• 55:46
  these are people who do great on a vegetable based
• 55:50
  diet and they need to maybe suppress and that emphasized protein.
• 55:55
  So we have that. We also know that the diets
• 55:59
  that are loaded with with some natural antioxidants is a
• 56:03
  really great idea really for everybody, so we do that.
• 56:07
  We also have to evaluate a patient to see whether
• 56:10
  they're a malabsorber or not. Very often some of them
• 56:13
  will have a rather serious problem with GI tract function. Uh.
• 56:19
  There we know that zinc deficiency can cause that. We
• 56:22
  know that there that that that oximative stress can mess
• 56:26
  up a person's GI tract. So, but sometimes you need
• 56:29
  to go beyond that. Sometimes you have a patient with
• 56:31
  CIBO or some problem, or they might have parasites.
• 56:36
  Speaker 1: Uh.
• 56:37
  Speaker 2: Human beings are complex and sometimes you have to go
• 56:41
  beyond our straight protocol and look at the other areas.
• 56:45
  We we very carefully measured treatment success as best we
• 56:49
  can with outcome studies and a few double blind studies.
• 56:52
  But Uh, the truth is we can't help everybody, and
• 56:56
  I think are the good news is that our system
• 56:58
  seems to be applicable to ninety or ninety five percent
• 57:02
  of the people who come to us with problems. Sometimes
• 57:05
  we have something else wrong and we have to recognize
• 57:08
  that as a possibility. So again, human beings are very diverse. Uh,
• 57:17
  and we're learning more all the time. Just in the
• 57:19
  last year, we learned something really important. We learned that
• 57:23
  based on new neuroscience, we learned a lot about the
• 57:27
  NNBA receptor and we now know that for the first time,
• 57:31
  we have a nutrient therapy that can help people with addictions.
• 57:34
  People would severe OCD people who are hooked on cocaine
• 57:39
  or heroin. We've always avoided these patients because our utim
• 57:42
  studies said we couldn't help them. We didn't want to
• 57:44
  waste their money in our time. Now we have a
• 57:47
  therapy in all the antecetal as system that has a
• 57:50
  special neuroscience actor or process where it's what they call
• 57:57
  anti porter real cells or this an MBA system that
• 58:02
  that that lowers that could lower NMDA activity, which is
• 58:07
  a problem if you have an addiction or if you're
• 58:11
  severely undermethilated. We also know that that NMDA is related
• 58:15
  to schizophrenia, and in that case it's the opposite situation.
• 58:19
  These are people with too little inn MBA activity. Uh So,
• 58:24
  now we have new therapies for schizophrenia, whether they're over
• 58:27
  meth lated or undermethilated.
• 58:29
  Speaker 3: We didn't have to.
• 58:30
  Speaker 2: See year ago. So we're constantly learning. I suspect maybe
• 58:34
  what we don't know is what we do know. We
• 58:37
  already know enough to be able to help a lot
• 58:39
  of people, but we have to be constantly alert from
• 58:41
  new knowledge.
• 58:44
  Speaker 1: Zach also keeps us all kind of moving forward so
• 58:48
  and keeping inspired to try to find new solutions for things.
• 58:52
  Speaker 3: So yeah, doctor Wilson.
• 58:57
  Speaker 1: One last question, I shouldn't say a question that the
• 59:00
  reason I started the Inspire Health podcast was because I
• 59:03
  found that there was so much information available that I
• 59:07
  found to be really transformational, your work being one of
• 59:10
  them that was just not as commonplace as I felt
• 59:13
  like it should be.
• 59:14
  Speaker 3: So the whole goal was to try.
• 59:15
  Speaker 1: And bring what was not so common to make it
• 59:18
  more commonplace, to inspire others that there are answers and
• 59:21
  solutions to health problems that they often don't think there is. So,
• 59:26
  if you were to take your life experience being how
• 59:32
  long have you been in the field of biochemistry? Now,
• 59:34
  when did you first get your PhD?
• 59:37
  Speaker 2: Nineteen sixty four, so none of this field, no.
• 59:46
  Speaker 1: So for the amount of time that you've spent as
• 59:49
  a researcher, working really as a clinician for a long
• 59:53
  time too, with seeing patients and with doctor Pheiffer, and
• 59:56
  having mentors like doctor Pheiffer. Being also a dad and
• 1:00:00
  a father, you had a parent that came to you
• 1:00:04
  that felt like they were at their wits end, feeling
• 1:00:07
  like they've run out of all hope. They've got a
• 1:00:09
  child that's got ADHD or a learning or a behavioral disorder,
• 1:00:13
  or even the child themselves that actually starts to feel
• 1:00:17
  like something's wrong with themselves. Because I find this a
• 1:00:20
  lot of times too. It is a hard effect on
• 1:00:23
  their self esteem and a lot of self doubt, a
• 1:00:27
  lot of questioning. What would you say to those people
• 1:00:30
  to inspire them that there are answers and solutions they're
• 1:00:33
  just not aware of.
• 1:00:34
  Speaker 2: I had such a father, troubled father just walking to
• 1:00:37
  my office yesterday with the child he's very worried about.
• 1:00:41
  I think the message I want to get across is
• 1:00:44
  that you don't necessarily have to do a drug. I mean,
• 1:00:47
  drugs can help a lot of people. However, you can
• 1:00:49
  get a lot of this done with nutrient therapy. And
• 1:00:53
  when I wrote a book a few years ago, and
• 1:00:57
  I spent a long time trying to decide what to
• 1:00:59
  call it, I think the message I wanted for families
• 1:01:02
  and for doctors is that nutrients can to have real
• 1:01:06
  power and including in some really serious disorders, and so
• 1:01:11
  I called it nutrient power. Nutrient power is the aim
• 1:01:14
  of the book. I think families need to know this
• 1:01:16
  is an alternative, and maybe that's the first maybe it's
• 1:01:20
  the first direction you want to try it. See I
• 1:01:21
  think if you have a child with a problem with
• 1:01:25
  behavior or learning, I think counseling might be the first
• 1:01:27
  thing you want to try it. But I think before
• 1:01:30
  you go heavily into drug therapies, whether it's something like
• 1:01:35
  riddling or adderall or an oppressive I think nutrient therapy
• 1:01:39
  is the next thing that maybe should be tried because
• 1:01:43
  we try to normalize the brain, and so instead of
• 1:01:46
  using a foreign molecule that can that is not going
• 1:01:50
  to normalize your brain and possibly will cause side effects.
• 1:01:53
  I think this is a I think eventually this is
• 1:01:55
  the direction means you medicine hopefully will go. So I
• 1:01:59
  would I would say us, they they can. There are
• 1:02:02
  many sources they For example, our website, Walsh Institute dot
• 1:02:06
  org has got a lot of information The book Nutrient
• 1:02:10
  Powers available on our on our on our on our website.
• 1:02:13
  We're a public charity. We I think you can get
• 1:02:16
  it for like twelve bucks and and hopefully if I
• 1:02:19
  change somebody a child's life, and and and and and
• 1:02:24
  if you don't want to spend twelve dollars, you can
• 1:02:26
  find it in the library or you can get information
• 1:02:28
  off our website. I think that that's something that we're
• 1:02:33
  at a mission really to get this known to doctors,
• 1:02:36
  to and to the field of psychiatry.
• 1:02:39
  Speaker 3: Uh.
• 1:02:39
  Speaker 2: By the way, I've been to the American Psychiatry Association
• 1:02:42
  Annual meeting now five times. And the first several times
• 1:02:45
  I went there, I had all this great data. Nobody
• 1:02:48
  believed me, nobody seemed to care who is this crazy guy.
• 1:02:52
  The last two times I was there, they paid a
• 1:02:54
  lot of attention, and since that I I was there
• 1:02:59
  about three years ago and I gave a lecture to
• 1:03:01
  a huge number of psychiats, seventeen thousand psychiatrist from all
• 1:03:05
  the world at this big meeting, and basically I was
• 1:03:09
  gave a like sure telling them they're doing depression all wrong,
• 1:03:12
  that in fact, there are five completely different types of
• 1:03:15
  depression and they each have a different different There are
• 1:03:19
  transmitters that are abnormally functioning, and they need different therapies
• 1:03:23
  instead of just throwing antidepressants.
• 1:03:24
  Speaker 3: At all of them.
• 1:03:26
  Speaker 2: And I showed the data I showed and I got up.
• 1:03:30
  For the first time they actually paid attention to me,
• 1:03:33
  and there was a big swarm of psychiatrists followed me
• 1:03:36
  out of the lecture room. And since that time we've
• 1:03:39
  been training psychiatrists, they've come to our training programs. Are
• 1:03:42
  next going to be at Evanston in late April, and
• 1:03:48
  they love this because now they can not just try
• 1:03:52
  to guess what side what drug to give them. They
• 1:03:55
  can actually do testing. They could actually guide them to
• 1:03:58
  the right drug. Eating they can usually identify with transmitter
• 1:04:04
  systems off, and then they have nutrient therapy that can
• 1:04:07
  either bolster the medications they're using or in some cases
• 1:04:11
  fix the problem with compli medication. Basically, it's a matter
• 1:04:15
  of education. I tried to work with government. I've tried
• 1:04:20
  to work with the NIH. I'm lectured at the United
• 1:04:25
  States Senate. I've given watures at the Surgeon General's Office
• 1:04:29
  and correctional institutions, and they all said, oh, this is wonderful,
• 1:04:36
  this is very nice, and then nothing would happen. And
• 1:04:39
  I decided to uh, that that's not the direction to go.
• 1:04:43
  People just don't believe that nutrients have power, and so
• 1:04:47
  I decided to go in the other direction. If I
• 1:04:50
  had a bumper sticker, it would read when the people lead,
• 1:04:55
  the leaders will follow. I've gone to the leaders and
• 1:05:00
  they don't believe, and so this is the direction we're going.
• 1:05:04
  I think if we could get a thousand doctors working
• 1:05:07
  with hundreds of thousands of patients, they'll just hopefully start
• 1:05:11
  a wave and people will realize this is this is
• 1:05:14
  another weapon that mental health practitioners should have their they
• 1:05:19
  should in the arsenal, they should, they should have it.
• 1:05:21
  And those that are doing it, you know, they might
• 1:05:24
  continue to use drug medications and everything else, but this
• 1:05:28
  is a weapon that sometimes can be really.
• 1:05:31
  Speaker 1: It can be incredibly powerful. I've seen it firsthand over
• 1:05:34
  and over again. And we have patients coming in from
• 1:05:37
  your website every week. I'm seeing multiple patients usually in
• 1:05:42
  incorporating the Welsh Protocol and everything that I'm doing, Doctor Walsh,
• 1:05:48
  you had mentioned also, I just want to make sure
• 1:05:49
  that the physicians out there that are listening to this
• 1:05:52
  are aware that you do have a physician education training
• 1:05:55
  program and you can just say a little bit about
• 1:05:57
  that because and I know you can. I'll put this
• 1:06:00
  show links we'll put in your website and links to
• 1:06:03
  the book and everything too, so people.
• 1:06:05
  Speaker 3: Are aware of that.
• 1:06:06
  Speaker 1: But just made me mention a little bit about the
• 1:06:08
  physician education training because I think that is where you're
• 1:06:11
  moving to try and get the message out more and more.
• 1:06:14
  Speaker 2: We are in April, we're going to have a training
• 1:06:17
  in Evanston, Illinois. It's over a weekend in uh in
• 1:06:25
  late April. It's all right next to the Northwestern campus
• 1:06:29
  in Evanson, beautiful along the lake, and it's a four
• 1:06:32
  day program. We do it over a weekend Friday, Saturday,
• 1:06:35
  Sunday Monday to in order basically to so the doctor
• 1:06:40
  won't be away from their practice that long. And we've
• 1:06:43
  worked out a we've worked out a system or I
• 1:06:46
  think quite effective training in this in this and one
• 1:06:52
  thing we do that's a little different is not only
• 1:06:54
  do we dog the lectures and show the biochemistry and
• 1:06:57
  talk about the nutrient therapies we have why patients come in,
• 1:07:02
  We have patients who might be first time or follow
• 1:07:04
  up patients, and so we together will do a medical
• 1:07:09
  history and will find their symptoms and their traits. We
• 1:07:12
  will have all their labs done before they come so
• 1:07:16
  then when when that so so, then we together then
• 1:07:20
  will then have them all evaluate what and try to
• 1:07:24
  diagnose whish neror transmitters wish and balances they think they have.
• 1:07:29
  And then once we agree on that, we'll we'll divise
• 1:07:32
  and we will we will. We will create a nutrient
• 1:07:35
  treatment program for them and give them a prescription of
• 1:07:39
  the nutrients to take. We do that over and over
• 1:07:42
  and over, and I think that really helps give the
• 1:07:46
  doctors confidence and they see how to do because they
• 1:07:49
  participate in doing that. So that's a key part of it.
• 1:07:52
  But it all takes four days. They can find the
• 1:07:55
  information on our website, which I guess you can. You can,
• 1:07:58
  you can tell them about We expect about eighty doctors.
• 1:08:02
  The numbers have been growing and growing and growing, and
• 1:08:06
  we're going to do the same program in Australia if
• 1:08:09
  you have any Australia Bolsters, and that'll be an early
• 1:08:13
  April in Melbourne. Again, we expect sixty to eighty two
• 1:08:17
  hundred doctors to come.
• 1:08:21
  Speaker 3: Amazing.
• 1:08:21
  Speaker 1: I think it's great and I know firsthand from being
• 1:08:24
  to the program that you've done a couple of times now.
• 1:08:28
  I love the interaction with the patients. I mean, you
• 1:08:30
  do finish when you come out of there feeling really
• 1:08:33
  competent with the whole program. So probably one of the
• 1:08:37
  best seminars that I've one of the best courses that
• 1:08:40
  I've that I've seen runs.
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  Speaker 2: Every time on to find out that one of our
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  patients got better. But I think I get more excited.
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  I'll get a letter like I got recently from a
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  woman who when I find out that one of the
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  doctors we work with has really helped them on there
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  even more for.
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  Speaker 1: So nice, Doctor Walsh. I want to thank you so
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  much for all of your time that you spent with us,
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  and it's going to be very much appreciated. I think
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  everybody will really enjoy hearing all of this information. I
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  will make sure that I get your information out there
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  for everybody.
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  Speaker 2: Great.
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  Speaker 3: Thank you, You're welcome. Thank you so much.
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  Speaker 2: Thank you.
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  Speaker 1: We're all finished up there, all cans all that, we'll
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  finish everything out, but this is great.
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  Speaker 3: Thank you so much for all your time. I really
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  appreciate it.
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  Speaker 1: I think that's gonna be the audience is going to
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  really enjoy all of that information.
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  Speaker 3: I've done.
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  Speaker 2: What people watch will be watching it.
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  Speaker 3: Pardon.
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  Speaker 1: I think we'll end up having with people want yeah,
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  well have an media group will be several thousand, and
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  then it'll be it'll be connected to once the whole
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  thing goes up, it will go out with everybody else's
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  social media followings, their email lists, all of that as well,
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  so because it's going to be done as a podcast series.
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  So what I'm going to have is when I finished
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  setting it up, there'll be a bit of a you'll
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  have everybody's picture, their key topic, and the dates that
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  are going to be released, and then those will be
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  sent out to everybody that was the speakers, and they'll
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  send them out to their and their groups as well.
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  So I want everybody's group to kind of know the
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  all the pieces of it. So, yeah, Shanker in a
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  little while, with.
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  Speaker 2: Only one doctor, one family, it's all I think it'll
• 1:10:40
  all be working.
• 1:10:41
  Speaker 3: Oh exactly.
• 1:10:43
  Speaker 1: I mean I've done I've done a couple of health
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  talks on your information just to try and get more
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  information out there, and I finds, uh, they love it.
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  They feel like they've kind of hit some specifics that
• 1:10:58
  they just haven't come across before with anything. And my
• 1:11:02
  favorite coach is when you get the biochemical stuff that
• 1:11:05
  comes back and I can talk to that patient or
• 1:11:08
  that like whether they're an adult or a child, and
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  let them know that it's like, it's not your fault
• 1:11:14
  as to why you've been feeling.
• 1:11:15
  Speaker 3: Of course you're going to feel this way.
• 1:11:18
  Speaker 1: You probably don't know any different, you know, and your
• 1:11:21
  set point for what how you feel and what normal
• 1:11:24
  is for you is like way up here rather than
• 1:11:27
  where maybe it could optimally be. So it's almost like
• 1:11:30
  they don't even know what their potential is like. And
• 1:11:33
  the relief I find from patients just even hear that
• 1:11:38
  is dramatic then when you treat it and start to change.
• 1:11:43
  Speaker 2: One of my really favorite things to do is after
• 1:11:46
  someone's done well and somebody who was in terrible trouble
• 1:11:49
  is now okay. It might be a child or even
• 1:11:52
  a schizophrenic, But what I like to do is when
• 1:11:55
  I'm talking to them on a follow up visit and
• 1:11:57
  things are dramatically better, I always like to sort of
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  just point at the child or the patient and say,
• 1:12:05
  you realize what this means. This means that none of
• 1:12:07
  this was your fault. You were born with this balance
• 1:12:11
  and this was not really you. And then I look
• 1:12:13
  at the parents. I so you realized, no, this was
• 1:12:15
  your fault either. Cry.
• 1:12:19
  Speaker 3: That's usually when the tears got back.
• 1:12:24
  Speaker 1: Yeah, I am waiting to see back at patient, I
• 1:12:26
  saw a wail back for schizophrenia whose pirals were over
• 1:12:30
  two hundred and he had I had seen him just
• 1:12:36
  before he came in, we got the blood test done.
• 1:12:41
  Speaker 3: He kind of had. He went off.
• 1:12:42
  Speaker 1: He went to Bolivia, disappeared for a bit, came back,
• 1:12:47
  then started back on his He wanted to recheck his
• 1:12:49
  pirals still about two hundred, and then he because he
• 1:12:54
  wasn't going to knock go on anything, he was sort
• 1:12:56
  of like, I didn't you know, it's really uh like
• 1:12:59
  had some pair of noise that was going on recheck
• 1:13:03
  that decided he was only going to do the treatment
• 1:13:05
  for the piral. He was also over methylated, but he
• 1:13:08
  was going to just do the treatment for the.
• 1:13:11
  Speaker 2: That's a nasty combination, oh, it was.
• 1:13:14
  Speaker 1: And I recently got an email from his mom who
• 1:13:19
  said that he was currently holding down two jobs and stable.
• 1:13:23
  So I'm waiting to see when they actually come in.
• 1:13:26
  The problem is that whether he stays on it or not,
• 1:13:29
  that's that's the problem. If he's on it, he's generally
• 1:13:32
  doing well. But it seems if he goes off, it
• 1:13:34
  just all starts to come back up again.
• 1:13:36
  Speaker 2: So and because pyrolls, uh, they recover quickly and they
• 1:13:43
  do better quickly, Okay, deteriorated quickly. But the schizophrenics thirty
• 1:13:50
  they're usually the only ones who can get completely better.
• 1:13:53
  Some of them really become completely okay even without medication,
• 1:13:57
  and they're the only schizophrenics that I could do that.
• 1:14:00
  Maybe this I can do that too, That's what.
• 1:14:02
  Speaker 1: I'm hoping, because that was definitely as dominant women as
• 1:14:05
  the pirals. But I'll keep you posted on how that
• 1:14:07
  goes when I hear more.
• 1:14:08
  Speaker 3: Back from them.
• 1:14:09
  Speaker 1: So thank you so much. I'm sure I'll see you
• 1:14:12
  again at some point at another one of your course.
• 1:14:15
  I always like to hear what's new and what else
• 1:14:18
  you're coming up with, and just nice to meet everybody
• 1:14:20
  else some time.
• 1:14:22
  Speaker 2: To time to update everybody on the science.
• 1:14:25
  Speaker 3: Super sounds good.
• 1:14:27
  Speaker 2: Thanks so much, Tall, talk to you soon.
• 1:14:29
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