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Ep. 28 Wife's Mustang Died... So I Bought Her ANOTHER Jeep Cherokee XJ! · Jeep Talk Show

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  [Music]
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  Well it's that time
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  again. 8pm Central Time.
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  This is the show about
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  Jeep Cherokees XJtalk.com.
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  Episode 28.
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  Wow. Just two more for 30.
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  It's a weekly show about Jeep Cherokees
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  and things that are going on. Usually
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  automotive related, but not always.
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  Tonight I'm going to give you a little
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  update on what happened with last week,
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  the failed Mustang and
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  the Jeep replacement.
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  So we'll get going here in just a minute.
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  [Music]
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  Okie dokie. Well I was just chatting with
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  a potential caller. We were trying to get
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  him on here for the last several days and
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  due to various things, including me being
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  lazy, we haven't done it.
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  So we'll get to that
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  here in just a second.
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  Well this is going to give you a little
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  update. Last week I spent most of the
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  show talking about the problems I was
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  having with my wife's Ford Mustang.
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  And it's a 3.8 V6 engine.
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  And I guess it was, I don't think that I
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  had done anything that day.
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  Well actually I think I had looked and I
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  saw a 1999 Jeep Cherokee 4.0 4-wheel
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  drive AW4 transmission with
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  142,000 miles on Craigslist.
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  I called about it the day after and found
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  that the guy that, it was a dealer, a
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  used car dealership that had it.
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  And he had just bought it from another
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  dealer, which kind of concerned me.
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  But anyway, he had just bought it from
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  another dealer and he wasn't aware that
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  it was a 4-wheel drive.
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  I was looking at the ad from the original
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  person that had placed the Craigslist ad.
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  So anyway, I went over there and it was
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  over there close,
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  relatively close to where I work.
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  So I drove over there during
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  lunch and had a look at it.
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  And the paint looked pretty bad. Not like
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  it was showing through, but just not,
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  wasn't all nice, bright and shiny.
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  And the guy said that he thought it had
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  been sitting outside
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  in the sun quite a bit.
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  The interior looked very nice. The engine
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  ran very well when I test drove it.
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  Other than a little bit of wiggle, which
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  I later attributed to a very low tire, it
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  was very smooth and boy, it had a lot of
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  get up and go to it.
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  So I spoke with my wife and made the
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  command decision to purchase it.
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  So we are now a 2 Jeep XJ family. The
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  1998, which is the bright red one, and
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  the 1999, which is, I think they call it
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  the Chili Pepper Red.
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  So that's pretty exciting. Other than
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  having two beasts to feed, a member was
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  able to get me a build sheet for the
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  1999, even before I bought it.
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  And I was able to see that pretty much
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  all of the options that we have on the
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  1998, we have on the 1999.
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  It didn't have the upcountry tow package,
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  I'm sorry, the upcountry package or the
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  tow package like the 1998 did.
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  So no factory skids, no
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  fog lights and no tow hooks.
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  But luckily, since I have a custom front
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  bumper on the 1998, I still have the tow
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  hooks and the fog lights and
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  various and sundry goodies.
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  So I'll be putting all
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  that stuff on the 1999.
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  So far I have found out how to get rid of
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  the grays off the body side molding
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  because it's not painted on the 1999.
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  It's a 1999 Sport. And I've got it back
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  to a pretty good shade of black and was
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  able to polish out using some polishing
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  compound and a little machine able to get
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  the paint looking pretty good.
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  It's got some spots. I was a little
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  surprised I can't find that Chili Pepper
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  Red anywhere. At least two of the auto
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  parts places that I tried.
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  They kind of skip over it. I guess it's
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  not a real popular color. I was lucky
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  that they had the, I think it's PR4,
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  which is the bright red, the poppy red
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  that is the color on the 1998.
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  Well, let's see if
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  Dalton's ready to call.
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  Oh, actually he's asking, he's in the
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  chat room and he's asking what the number
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  is, which is a good opportunity for me to
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  give you the number.
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  If you would like to call in and leave
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  some feedback, we have a voicemail set
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  up. We're actually going to be using it
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  to take calls right now,
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  at least a call from Dalton.
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  But you can call any time of the day or
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  night and ask your question and have it
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  played on the show more than likely.
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  That number is
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  530-675-4102. That's 530-675-4102.
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  If you don't want to call the voicemail,
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  you can send an email to motoroy at
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  xjtalk.com. That's motoroy at xjtalk.com.
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  And we can read your
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  question or comment on the show.
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  You know what, Dalton? I don't think I
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  have that set up where it will actually
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  ring through. I think you'll go straight
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  to voicemail because I wasn't
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  going to take calls tonight.
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  If you want to put your phone number in
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  the chat, I'll just give you a call. He's
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  probably already gotten the voicemail and
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  he's leaving a message
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  saying, "Hey, pick up!"
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  Yeah, it is going straight to voicemail.
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  For some strange reason, I thought that I
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  could just magically will it
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  to redirect to the home phone.
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  And of course, that's not going to
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  happen. It's going to require me to do
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  some typing and logging
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  in and so on and so forth.
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  So if you wanted to shoot me your number,
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  I can call you. So if you just put it in
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  chat, if you don't want to
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  put it in chat, that's fine.
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  I can turn it on when you call the 530
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  number. It'll come here. You let me know
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  what you want to do.
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  It looks like the tires need to be
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  replaced on the 99. It's okay. Oh, and
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  the air conditioner doesn't work. I tried
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  charging the air
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  conditioner and I was unable to do so.
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  I'm going to be going over to a friend's
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  place this Saturday, hopefully. And we're
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  going to see what we can't do with it.
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  We're going to replace some O-rings and
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  need to go buy some
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  R132? 132. I think it's 132.
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  I'm going to go buy some R132 before
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  Saturday, so probably Friday. And
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  hopefully, all things will go well and my
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  wife will have air
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  conditioning on her 99.
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  I was talking to her about, I pretty much
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  have all the parts. I got pretty much all
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  the parts. Dalton says he's
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  going to have to take off.
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  So no call from Dalton tonight. He is a
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  really nice, I keep forgetting what it's
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  called, the basket that goes on top of
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  the Jeep where you can carry various,
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  it's really, I guess,
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  like a luggage thing.
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  But several people put tires and, thank
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  you, roof rack. It's so simple. Dalton
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  built a roof rack and he doesn't have a
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  welder, so he made it out of electrical
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  conduit using pre-bent 90 degree elbows
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  and those little sleeves that have the
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  screws so that you can
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  connect the pipes together.
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  And it worked out really nice. He painted
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  it black and he attached it to the
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  existing roof rack on his Jeep Cherokee
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  and he says solid as rock. Very
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  impressive because I think the total
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  parts outlay was $100.
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  And it looks very similar to a basket
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  that you would
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  probably see for $300 or $400.
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  It was a bit of a risk on his part. I
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  mean, he had to think about it. He had to
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  go buy the parts and then put it together
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  and have it work out.
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  But that's kind of the fun of trying
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  something like that is getting the stuff,
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  putting it together and
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  having it work out well.
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  So hats off to Dalton and you can see
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  that build on xjtalk.com. All you have to
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  do is just jump over there and if you
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  scroll down, it's at the
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  very top of the articles,
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  which is towards the bottom of the front
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  page. So just go to www.xjtalk.com and
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  you can see Dalton 4x4's article about
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  building a roof rack with no welding.
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  It means pretty much anybody with minimal
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  skills and $100 can have a roof rack and
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  look like one of the expensive roof racks
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  that you might buy from Quadratec or one
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  of the other sites, even one of our
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  vendors that carry roof racks.
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  So anyway, I'll go back to the $19.99.
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  I'm pretty excited about that. The paint
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  was able to be rejuvenated and it
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  actually looks pretty good.
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  It passed the wife test as well after I
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  got done with the buffing machine and the
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  polish, what do you call that
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  stuff? Not rubbing compound.
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  After I got done with a little, I want to
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  call it an orbital sander because it's
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  got a big buffing pad on it and it kind
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  of moves around in an oblong pattern so
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  you don't get any
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  circular patterns in the paint.
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  But it shined that up really well. It
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  didn't require very much effort either.
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  Now I did eat through that polishing pad
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  that came with the unit. Before I could
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  get done, I was working on the roof and I
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  got about 2 feet, maybe 2 feet from the
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  back end and about 2 feet
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  from the front end on the roof.
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  So there's a nice section up there on top
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  that really looks bad. But I got all the
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  sides and the back hatch and the hood,
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  all that done. So it's pretty
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  shiny. It looks pretty good.
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  It looks a lot better than what it looked
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  when I went over there to test drive it.
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  So far I'm very happy with that. I'll be
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  a lot happier once the air conditioning
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  is working and happier still when we get
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  some good tires on there.
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  Oh, I think I was mentioning the lift
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  kit. Since I've been upgrading the 4.5"
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  Rough Country lift that I purchased and
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  put on the 98 a few years ago, I guess
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  it's coming up on 3 years, maybe 4 years
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  ago when I put that on there.
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  I've upgraded the upper and lower control
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  arms with Ironman Fab 4x4 control arms.
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  And the leaf springs were originally out
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  of leafs and I purchased some new leafs
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  to go on, which was always the intent. I
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  just knew I couldn't afford wheels, tires
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  and lift all at the same time.
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  So I have a set of leafs that aren't the greatest in the world, but they're certainly good.
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  And I really, I think out of everything that I have, I would need rear shocks. I would need some shackles to go on the back to actually get 4.5" of lift in the back because the add-a-leaf only adds about 2" of lift, I believe. And then the shackles, the Rough Country
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  shackles, I had another 2.5" to that to
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  get to the 4.5". And I would need coil
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  springs. Or I could use spacers, I
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  suppose, but no, I
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  couldn't, not on the stock springs.
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  But I was planning on going to 6.5" on
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  the 98, so I should have, and to do so, I
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  was going to get 6.5"
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  Rough Country springs.
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  So with that, and like I said, the two
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  rear shocks, all I would need, and
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  actually I could upgrade the rear shocks
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  that I have on the 98 and
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  then I would have those.
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  So really, probably for about $150, which
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  would be the cost of the 6.5" coil
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  springs, on the outside chance that I
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  can't find them used, then I would have a
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  4.5" lift for the 99.
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  Now my wife, I asked her about, "Hey,
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  would you mind if I put the 4.5" lift on
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  the 99?" And she says, "It's so nice and
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  quiet with the windows rolled up, you can
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  actually have a conversation."
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  And I laughed and I said, "Well, the 98
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  is really loud because of the tires. I
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  have the 32" BFG mud tires."
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  And she says, "Oh, well wouldn't it look
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  funny with a 4.5" lift and regular
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  tires?" And I said, "Oh, you got a point
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  there, it just might."
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  So today I was asking on the site, what's
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  the largest size tire, as far as height
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  goes, or diameter, that I could put on a
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  stock XJ without having to remove the
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  flares or cut the fenders?
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  And this isn't an off-road vehicle, this
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  is my wife's Jeep. It doesn't mean it
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  will never go off-road,
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  but that's not the purpose.
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  And I was thinking it would be about a
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  30" tire. So my follow-up question to
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  that was, what's the smallest tire you
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  could put on a Jeep XJ with a 4.5" lift
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  and not have it look silly?
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  And amazingly, a 30" tire came up again.
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  So what I might be doing is, since I
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  don't have the coil springs and I really
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  don't have the money to buy coil springs,
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  and actually to go to the 6.5" lift on
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  the 98, it's not just a simple matter of
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  getting the coil springs.
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  I also need to get a SYE slip-look yoke
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  eliminator kit before I
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  can go to the 6.5" on the 98.
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  So it's going to be the cost of the coil
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  springs plus the cost of the SYE plus the
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  cost of a front driveshaft.
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  I found a pretty nice SYE for an NP-242
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  with one of our vendors on
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  XJTalk, Dirtbound Off-Road.
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  For the 97, I believe it's 97 plus
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  models, I think his price is around $110,
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  $118, $120 plus shipping.
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  And of course that doesn't include a
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  driveshaft. I think he does sell
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  driveshafts as well.
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  I was originally going to go with the Tom
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  Woods solution, and one of the reasons
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  why I hadn't gone with it was because it
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  was going to cost me around $400 to $500.
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  Now that would include a machined output
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  shaft from Tom Woods that I would replace
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  on the 242 and then take the one that I
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  took out and send that back to him and
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  get a core deposit back.
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  He also sells you a very nice, perfectly
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  matched to your installation driveshaft.
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  But it has always, I love the idea of
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  redundancy, and it has always intrigued
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  me that there's people out there using
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  Hack and Tap, certainly on the NP-231.
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  And what they do is they
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  use a front driveshaft.
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  And to me, this is such a wonderful idea
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  because of the redundancy of
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  having two exact driveshafts.
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  So, you know, in a four-wheel drive, of
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  course, you can, especially with an SYE,
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  you can get yourself home or in an
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  emergency situation, you could lose a
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  driveshaft and still
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  be able to move forward.
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  You don't want to backwards, too, but I
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  mean, you'd still be able
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  to get out of harm's way.
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  Or if you're off-road, you know, get it
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  back to the road, get it back home, do
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  some work, whatever you need to do.
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  Of course, I'm thinking in an emergency
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  situation is probably when most
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  everything bad's going to happen.
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  So, although, whereas I do really, really
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  like the Tom Woods stuff, I know he has
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  very good stuff, and it's very, very much
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  well worth the price.
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  I think I'm going to go with the
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  dirt-bound off-road solution on the SYE
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  and go with that hack and tap and make
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  use of a second front driveshaft.
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  Nothing like having, you know, two of the
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  same, and it just, it makes your options,
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  in my mind, it makes your
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  options a little more open.
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  And I think we all, we all face those
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  situations where we need
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  options from time to time.
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  And I perhaps worry a little too much.
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  And one of the things I posted today was
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  I posted up a poll about basically how do
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  you determine whether
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  or not you go wheeling.
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  And if you're, if you're off-road vehicle
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  that you go off to have, off-road to have
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  fun in, if that's your daily driver,
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  that gets you back and forth to work or
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  to the grocery store or even drops the
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  kids off at school, how do you determine
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  it is a good idea or a
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  bad idea to go off-road?
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  Now, certainly people that have gone
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  off-road, you know, a lot have a very
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  good feel for what they
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  can and can't get away with.
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  I mean, for those of us that have driven
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  on the streets for years, we have a very
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  high confidence of will I be able to get
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  back and forth to where I'm going today.
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  So I think a lot of my trepidation about
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  taking my daily driver off-road is simply
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  I just haven't done it that often.
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  I've gone three times in this vehicle, in
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  the 98 vehicle, and
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  it's worked out very well.
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  The problem that I usually have is I get
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  a little too caught up in the fun of it
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  and the challenge of some of the things.
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  That's how I bent the
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  Rough Country track bar.
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  I was trying to get up an embankment, and
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  I tried and tried and even put it in, I
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  took it out of full-time four-wheel drive
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  and put it in part-time.
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  Still couldn't get up that embankment.
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  But I got to use the winch to get out of
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  there, and that was fun too because, you
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  know, that was another piece of equipment
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  that I had purchased and
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  put on the Jeep to use.
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  It certainly was nice knowing that I
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  could get myself out of the situation,
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  even if I couldn't drive up that
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  embankment like one of the other
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  XtricTalk members just had.
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  But, you know, that's all part of it.
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  You go out there, you try, and you see
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  what your vehicle can do, and you also
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  learn about how to get up and over things
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  and what it's capable of and what other
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  modifications you might need to make to
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  make it able to do more of
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  the things you want it to do.
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  And the Jeep that did make it up the
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  embankment in front of me had his
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  Spydergos welded in
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  the rear end of his Jeep.
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  So he certainly was working with a little
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  more traction than what I was, and that
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  just encourages me a little bit more to
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  move towards a locking differential.
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  And, of course, my plan is to go, my
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  plan, like most of them, is a high dollar
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  plan, which is to go to an ARB air locker
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  since that gives you excellent on-road
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  and off-road handling capabilities.
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  So that's just, I guess it's around $8,
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  $9, I guess it's closer to $1,000 after
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  you throw in the ARB air pump, air
• 22:58
  compressor that goes with or
• 23:01
  that matches that air locker.
• 23:04
  And then there's probably, it probably
• 23:06
  would be another $300 or $400 to have the
• 23:09
  air locker installed because it requires
• 23:12
  the rear end ring opinion to be removed
• 23:16
  from the carrier and put on the air
• 23:20
  locker and then installed and adjusted so
• 23:23
  that it wouldn't, so the ring opinion
• 23:26
  don't disintegrate each other.
• 23:28
  I never realized how critical and I was
• 23:34
  there whenever they put the 456 gears in
• 23:36
  my front and rear axles, and I was a
• 23:40
  little surprised how
• 23:42
  complex that whole thing is.
• 23:45
  How the critical interface of those two
• 23:49
  things, how critical those things are so
• 23:51
  that it doesn't, those two pieces of
• 23:53
  metal don't tear each other up.
• 23:55
  Or have pieces flying off of it because
• 23:58
  the stresses are too great, etc., etc.
• 24:01
  So, yeah, I don't, I would like to know
• 24:04
  how to do that and I know that it's
• 24:06
  possible to learn it.
• 24:07
  I'm sure I'm capable of it.
• 24:10
  It just would be, I don't plan on doing
• 24:12
  it that much. I think it'd just be more
• 24:14
  expedient to have it done.
• 24:17
  But I would be looking at probably around
• 24:18
  $14, $1500 just to put an air locker in
• 24:22
  the rear of my Jeep. But boy, it would be
• 24:25
  nice. It probably would have been enough
• 24:27
  to get me up that hill.
• 24:29
  And then of course later on, get another
• 24:31
  air locker to go into the Dana 30.
• 24:34
  Unfortunately, because the makeup of the
• 24:37
  Dana 30, it probably would require, I
• 24:41
  mean I could get by with the axles that
• 24:43
  are there, but it probably would be the
• 24:44
  best thing to put in some chrome MOLLE
• 24:47
  axles on the Dana 30.
• 24:49
  And I've pretty well settled down to the
• 24:51
  point now where when I replace the tires,
• 24:55
  I'm not going to go with 35s, I'll go
• 24:56
  with 33s and be reasonable.
• 24:59
  So the chrome MOLLE axles locked on the
• 25:04
  Dana 30, it should survive. It should
• 25:07
  survive most anything I could do to it.
• 25:10
  At least that's what I'm reading and what
• 25:12
  people keep telling me is
• 25:14
  a good thing to count on.
• 25:17
  So we'll see. And you know, that's kind
• 25:20
  of a long term thing anyway. I mean, I
• 25:23
  don't know how long that's going to take.
• 25:26
  If engines keep messing up like in the
• 25:30
  Mustang and then I have to go out and buy
• 25:32
  a replacement vehicle, it might be a long
• 25:37
  time before I could
• 25:38
  even get tires for the 98.
• 25:40
  So I'm going to take a quick break and
• 25:43
  see if I can get this phone line set up
• 25:45
  just on the outside chance that we might
• 25:47
  want to have somebody call in.
• 25:49
  So we'll be right back right after this.
• 26:52
  I just couldn't type in the password and
• 26:54
  keep talking at the same time. I've often
• 26:58
  said multitasking is an illusion.
• 27:01
  I don't think anybody can do more than
• 27:02
  one thing at a time. You can practice and
• 27:05
  I believe give the illusion of it.
• 27:07
  But I don't think that I don't think
• 27:10
  anybody can do the multitasking.
• 27:13
  I mean, right now I'm having a hard time
• 27:15
  just trying to update this thing so that
• 27:17
  the phone number will show.
• 27:20
  So here we go. If you'd like to call in,
• 27:24
  you can call in at the number that you
• 27:25
  see there on the screen.
• 27:26
  It is 530-675-4102, 530-675-4102, or you
• 27:37
  can also call on Skype. I think I got the
• 27:39
  Skype thing working right.
• 27:41
  And Skype's real easy.
• 27:42
  You just call xjtalk.com.
• 27:45
  And I was going to open that Jensen, XJ
• 27:49
  Talk member Jensen was
• 27:50
  going to call in tonight.
• 27:51
  He had sent me a private message and said
• 27:54
  he wanted to try out Skype.
• 27:56
  And I said, "Hey, shows at 8 p.m.
• 27:58
  Central. Give me a call.
• 28:01
  We'll just try that on the show."
• 28:03
  And I don't know. He's in Canada and I
• 28:07
  don't know what, if their time is the
• 28:09
  same as our time here, they may be on the
• 28:12
  metric time up there.
• 28:14
  And I don't know how that translates out
• 28:16
  into, you know, regular guide, the
• 28:19
  Imperial time that we use.
• 28:22
  God's time. So let's see. Looks like Jeep
• 28:26
  4x4 Hunter has joined.
• 28:27
  Hey, I hope that some of those answers
• 28:30
  that you got on the 89 that you were
• 28:34
  looking to buy off a
• 28:34
  Craigslist were helpful.
• 28:36
  There were several people on there that I
• 28:39
  thought had some good input.
• 28:41
  Jeep 4x4 Hunter was chatting with me on
• 28:46
  Facebook, which by the
• 28:47
  way, XJ Talks on Facebook.
• 28:50
  Just Facebook slash
• 28:51
  XJ Talk and friend us.
• 28:53
  Anyway, we were chatting on Facebook and
• 28:55
  he said he was looking at a 1989 Jeep
• 28:58
  Cherokee here in the Houston area.
• 29:01
  And I think the price tag on
• 29:03
  that thing was 2000RBestOffer.
• 29:06
  And since I had just purchased a 1999
• 29:09
  with 142,000 miles or $2,500, I thought
• 29:15
  that might be a little high depending on
• 29:17
  what mods had been done to the 89.
• 29:21
  Now, the only Jeep Cherokee that I've
• 29:23
  ever had is the 98. So I lean towards the
• 29:27
  97 plus body styles.
• 29:29
  And the 1999 is really one that I
• 29:31
  particularly like based on several
• 29:34
  modifications that Chrysler Jeep made.
• 29:38
  It has some really nice, it kind of is
• 29:42
  the best combination of
• 29:46
  the 97, 98, and 2000, 2001.
• 29:50
  But it doesn't have some of the
• 29:51
  attractions like heads prone to cracking
• 29:55
  that I think happened
• 29:56
  on the 2000 and 2001.
• 30:00
  So, and it has the nice intake that has a
• 30:06
  little better airflow.
• 30:08
  Let's see, Jensen called in. Maybe he was
• 30:10
  one of the guests that was listening.
• 30:11
  Let's see what's going on with Jensen.
• 30:13
  He's giving me video, which you're not
• 30:14
  going to be able to see.
• 30:16
  So let's see if we can get him on here.
• 30:19
  Hey Jensen, thanks for calling in.
• 30:23
  Hey, how's it going?
• 30:25
  Pretty good.
• 30:25
  How's it going?
• 30:27
  You may need to turn the audio down or...
• 30:30
  Sorry, I might have a bit of an audio
• 30:33
  delay because I've got my
• 30:34
  speakers right beside my webcam.
• 30:36
  Well, are you listening to the show?
• 30:39
  Are you listening to the show?
• 30:41
  Yeah, I am.
• 30:41
  Okay. So you need to mute the audio of
• 30:44
  the show because that's going to be a
• 30:45
  long delay and just listen on Skype.
• 30:48
  That should get rid of most of the echo.
• 30:50
  Give that a shot here.
• 30:51
  Just give me one second.
• 30:53
  Yeah, the audio sounds pretty good. I can
• 30:55
  see Jensen's orange monster in the
• 30:58
  background, which
• 30:59
  again, you guys can't see.
• 31:00
  We may have to figure out how to feed the
• 31:03
  Skype videos over here to you, Stream.
• 31:05
  I think that'd be kind of fun for people
• 31:07
  to see who was calling in.
• 31:08
  I think so too. The shop's kind of packed
• 31:11
  right now. I've got
• 31:12
  the Comanche to my left.
• 31:13
  I've got the big Jeep in the shop doing
• 31:16
  all the upgrades, and I've got the
• 31:17
  T-Brute over the side,
• 31:19
  and I've got that other
• 31:21
  Comanche that I posted up on.
• 31:23
  You know, some of you guys may not know.
• 31:26
  Jensen posted up a poll, and he found
• 31:28
  another Comanche MJ,
• 31:31
  and he was asking, "Should I save it? I
• 31:33
  really don't need another project."
• 31:36
  And I knew it was going to be this way.
• 31:38
  Everybody voted, "Yeah, save it."
• 31:41
  I think it was only eight votes, but
• 31:42
  everybody said, "Save it."
• 31:44
  And nobody is going to be helping him
• 31:46
  work on it, and nobody's going to be--
• 31:49
  and nobody that voted is
• 31:50
  going to be storing it for him.
• 31:53
  He's going to have to find a place to
• 31:54
  store it, plus come up
• 31:55
  with the money to buy it.
• 31:56
  So at least in my answer, I tried to say,
• 31:59
  "You know, I think you're
• 32:00
  asking the wrong person.
• 32:01
  I get way too attached to my vehicles."
• 32:03
  Yeah, actually, we just had to write off
• 32:05
  our RV from snow damage over the winter,
• 32:07
  and even though it's a $1,500 RV, I'm
• 32:09
  still finding myself rather attached to
• 32:11
  it after three years,
• 32:12
  and it's hard to let it go,
• 32:14
  so I get attached as well.
• 32:16
  Well, I think if anybody that puts any
• 32:18
  kind of effort into a
• 32:19
  vehicle or enjoys the vehicle,
• 32:22
  you get an attachment to it.
• 32:24
  I mean, I don't really even--
• 32:25
  I really don't even like that Mustang
• 32:27
  that my wife has been
• 32:28
  driving until the head,
• 32:31
  and I haven't broken it down yet, so I
• 32:32
  don't know if it's a head gasket, an
• 32:34
  intake gasket, or a cracked head.
• 32:36
  I mean, I don't even drive that thing.
• 32:38
  It's too low to the ground for me,
• 32:39
  but even at that, I don't want to get rid
• 32:41
  of it. I would rather fix it.
• 32:42
  So I'm actually-- I don't know if I
• 32:44
  stated that earlier or not, but I'm
• 32:45
  actually going to be trying to fix that.
• 32:47
  I'm going to at least take it apart and
• 32:48
  see what's wrong with it.
• 32:49
  I'm glad I can appreciate that because I
• 32:51
  have an O2 Mustang sitting out front
• 32:53
  that's been sitting for a year that we
• 32:55
  just haven't been able to part with,
• 32:56
  even though we don't drive
• 32:57
  it, don't use it, and it's--
• 33:00
  I actually got to the point of posting up
• 33:03
  on Kijiji, like, similar to Craigslist,
• 33:06
  got all the way to the point of hitting,
• 33:08
  you know, save ad, and I
• 33:09
  just-- I haven't made it there yet.
• 33:11
  Yeah, I know what you mean. You know,
• 33:13
  I've got a Taurus--
• 33:14
  two-speed Taurus fan in the garage
• 33:16
  that I need to get rid of, and I haven't
• 33:18
  even put that up yet. I'm not even
• 33:19
  attached to the d-- thing.
• 33:21
  That'd probably be $60 right there that I
• 33:23
  could put towards things. Yeah, before--
• 33:25
  I'd almost be embarrassed to pan the
• 33:27
  webcam around the garage with all the
• 33:28
  stuff I've collected
• 33:29
  that I just seem to need.
• 33:31
  I think I'm on the verge of hoarding.
• 33:34
  Yeah, yeah, yeah. Well,
• 33:35
  but it's a good hoarding.
• 33:37
  I like what I'm seeing
• 33:39
  there. Now, you guys on the--
• 33:41
  If you can streamline it all-- the whole
• 33:42
  fleet down to Jeep stuff,
• 33:44
  I don't think I'll ever have a vehicle
• 33:46
  breakdown that I won't have a part for
• 33:48
  for at least the next 10 years.
• 33:50
  Well, see, that's one of the reasons why,
• 33:51
  whenever I went to get this Jeep, I had
• 33:53
  looked at some Mustangs.
• 33:54
  In my mind, last week was, this vehicle
• 33:57
  is not-- the Mustang is not worth fixing
• 34:00
  because it's going to cost $500 for
• 34:02
  heads, it's going to
• 34:02
  take my time to go in it,
• 34:04
  and even then, there's no guarantee that
• 34:06
  it's going to work. It may require more
• 34:08
  time and effort and more money.
• 34:10
  So I just said, you know, "Hey, honey,
• 34:12
  you know, Craigslist, they've got
• 34:15
  Mustangs for less than what it would cost
• 34:17
  for me to fix this one,
• 34:19
  but would you mind if I got a Jeep
• 34:21
  Cherokee? You know, would you mind
• 34:23
  driving a Jeep Cherokee?"
• 34:24
  And she kind of laughs and goes, "No.
• 34:26
  Like, are you nuts?"
• 34:27
  And I think what it is is because of all
• 34:29
  the time and effort that I put into the
• 34:31
  98, she says, "That's your Jeep."
• 34:33
  She doesn't like driving it. I mean, she
• 34:35
  does like driving it, but she doesn't
• 34:36
  because she doesn't
• 34:37
  want to mess up the seats.
• 34:38
  And I don't say anything to her. It's
• 34:39
  just the way she is. She
• 34:41
  doesn't adjust the mirrors.
• 34:42
  I say, "Adjust the mirrors. I want you to
• 34:43
  see. I don't want you to run over
• 34:45
  somebody," you know?
• 34:47
  So it was-- it worked out well, and I got
• 34:49
  her a 99, and I told her, I said, "I know
• 34:51
  how to work on the Jeep."
• 34:53
  And I got it one year different than what
• 34:57
  I'm used to, so it's
• 34:57
  almost virtually identical.
• 34:59
  And now I've got parts, too, that I've
• 35:02
  taken off the 98 that I can put on the
• 35:04
  99. So it works out really nice.
• 35:07
  Well, you've got a great excuse to get a
• 35:08
  bigger lift for yours because you can
• 35:09
  reuse that one of hers, and then she can
• 35:11
  see better on traffic.
• 35:12
  And she really likes that. She's 5'2",
• 35:15
  and other than getting the back of her
• 35:17
  pants wet when she's getting out of the
• 35:19
  98, she likes sitting up high.
• 35:21
  Yeah, I just recently threw the Iron Rock
• 35:24
  lift in my wife's TJ as a surprise for
• 35:28
  her, and she loved
• 35:29
  driving what she calls it--
• 35:31
  she calls it a "Rosy Derivator," but her
• 35:34
  other nickname for it is "The Tank," and
• 35:35
  now since I've thrown that lift in, she
• 35:37
  loves it that much more.
• 35:38
  It's amazing to me, driving the 99, how
• 35:42
  low that is, and how small the vehicle
• 35:45
  feels. The vehicle feels really small,
• 35:47
  and it's exactly the same size as the 98.
• 35:51
  The only difference is
• 35:52
  being off the ground.
• 35:54
  So here's an interesting question for
• 35:56
  you. Are your Cherokees listed on your
• 36:00
  registration as station wagons?
• 36:02
  No, I think they're listed as trucks.
• 36:04
  Yes.
• 36:04
  No, the 98s. I haven't gotten anything on
• 36:07
  the 99 yet because it's
• 36:09
  only a week old to us.
• 36:10
  Yeah, my 89, the big Jeep, the 89 is
• 36:14
  listed as an SUV. The 93 is listed as a
• 36:19
  station wagon. The TJ is
• 36:20
  listed as a station wagon.
• 36:22
  Oh, that's pretty good.
• 36:24
  There are also some agents of trucks.
• 36:26
  I'd blame that on the Canadians.
• 36:28
  You know what? We do do a
• 36:29
  few things a little odd.
• 36:33
  But you know what? The metric system, I
• 36:35
  don't care what you say, it makes sense
• 36:36
  because it's all by tens.
• 36:39
  Well, I don't know if you heard me
• 36:40
  talking about it a few minutes ago that
• 36:42
  we're on a different time standard than
• 36:44
  you guys are because
• 36:45
  you're using that metric time.
• 36:46
  Yeah, I'm on Mountain. You're central, so
• 36:50
  we have an hour time
• 36:51
  difference, I believe.
• 36:53
  Yeah, but I think that's right because
• 36:54
  Pacific is, I think, a
• 36:55
  two-hour time difference.
• 36:57
  Yeah, I like making that joke. There was
• 36:59
  an old Saturday Night Live routine back
• 37:01
  when the metric system was still a
• 37:03
  possibility in the United States.
• 37:05
  And they made a joke, and you've probably
• 37:06
  seen me talk about it on the site, about
• 37:10
  the metric clock, the
• 37:11
  Deca Clock, instead of...
• 37:15
  So they had this whole skit about the
• 37:17
  Deca Clock. You know, if the metric
• 37:18
  system is such a great idea, why don't we
• 37:21
  tell time and metric?
• 37:23
  Yeah.
• 37:25
  That was the whole basis of my joke for
• 37:27
  the...you guys are on the different time,
• 37:29
  the metric time up there.
• 37:30
  Well, I'm glad you got the chance to call
• 37:32
  in today, and it's certainly the...I
• 37:34
  mean, even with the video, the quality is
• 37:36
  very good. Audio
• 37:38
  quality is very good, yeah.
• 37:40
  I mean, I'm out in the garage going
• 37:42
  through a wireless connection on probably
• 37:44
  a six-year-old Dell that has been
• 37:46
  designated as the garage computer, so I
• 37:49
  can keep everybody up to date on some of
• 37:51
  the junk I'm working
• 37:52
  on and where it's going.
• 37:55
  Well, the wireless, I mean, that's very
• 37:56
  brave. You're doing a really good job for
• 37:58
  a wireless connection. Of course, that
• 37:59
  technology has improved
• 38:01
  significantly in the past years.
• 38:02
  I wanted to mention real quick Jensen
• 38:05
  sitting right next to the MJ, and he's
• 38:08
  been doing some bodywork until he took
• 38:10
  out some frustrations on it recently, and
• 38:12
  keeping us up to date on XJTalk.
• 38:16
  And it's been a very interesting build.
• 38:19
  Actually, the bodywork that he's been
• 38:21
  doing, he's been replacing a lot of the
• 38:23
  sections that have rusted in this thing.
• 38:25
  And this beautiful work, I mean, it's
• 38:29
  been a lot of fun watching that, and I
• 38:31
  know how difficult it is to take pictures
• 38:34
  while you work, and just really want to
• 38:36
  thank you personally, at least
• 38:41
  voice-wise, for doing that, because it's
• 38:44
  a lot of fun to see.
• 38:45
  And I know it's not a lot of fun to have
• 38:47
  to stop and take pictures
• 38:48
  and post those things up, so...
• 38:52
  Well, I gotta be honest, I mean, I'm on a
• 38:54
  lot of different Jeep forums, and I have
• 38:56
  been for a long time, and the one really
• 38:58
  nice thing about XJTalk, over all the
• 39:00
  other ones, is there's a lot
• 39:01
  of really positive comments.
• 39:04
  And when I get really frustrated, and you
• 39:06
  know, may or may not discipline a door to
• 39:09
  the point of death, getting that little
• 39:13
  bit of feedback when you have one of
• 39:14
  those really bad nights where you dig
• 39:16
  into the panel, and you find rust behind
• 39:19
  rust, behind rust, and what's supposed to
• 39:21
  be a two-hour job is a four-hour job, and
• 39:23
  then all of a sudden you read like six
• 39:24
  posts of people going,
• 39:25
  "Wow, you're doing a great job."
• 39:27
  And it's a great motivator, and it makes
• 39:30
  me feel a lot better about what I'm
• 39:32
  doing, not thinking I'm some nuts
• 39:34
  34-year-old in a garage rebuilding a
• 39:37
  truck that's probably worth 50 bucks.
• 39:41
  No, it's like having a 12-year-old
• 39:45
  vehicle. I'm driving around in a
• 39:47
  12-year-old vehicle. There's not that
• 39:49
  many Jeep Cherokees driving around the
• 39:51
  road, not like there used to be.
• 39:53
  And I'm sure some people think that I'm
• 39:55
  nuts. I'm quite a bit older than you, and
• 39:58
  I'm driving this thing with a hood scoop,
• 40:01
  and it's bright red, and these big tires,
• 40:02
  and a lift, and all this crap.
• 40:04
  Hell, I've even painted the front end
• 40:06
  parts red. But, it's fun, and it's a
• 40:08
  unique vehicle. And the MJ's, even more
• 40:11
  so, the Comanches, the Jeep trucks. I
• 40:14
  wish they had kept making those things.
• 40:16
  It's a really nice, neat vehicle.
• 40:45
  I wish they had at least made them
• 40:46
  through the 97-body style changeover.
• 40:48
  You know, the really interesting thing with the MJ's is that I actually lost out to the Dakota, and that baffles me, because if you look at the drive train that they put into a command sheet versus the drive train they put into a Dakota, reliability-wise, I mean, which Chrysler person had their head up, you know where to make that decision. I mean, you look at the command sheets that were produced versus the Dakotas that were produced, and there's way more command sheets still alive and kicking,
• 40:48
  you know, percentage-wise. They were very
• 40:51
  bad decisions, I think.
• 40:52
  Well, you know, again, we've all heard
• 40:55
  about things being engineered for
• 40:58
  obsolescence. And I don't think it's as
• 41:00
  bad as it used to be. And certainly
• 41:02
  vehicles are lasting longer these days
• 41:04
  than what they're used to, but I think a
• 41:05
  lot of that has to do with the
• 41:07
  competition and the
• 41:08
  quality coming from Japan.
• 41:10
  But it's just like the 4.0. I mean, they
• 41:13
  got rid of the 4.0 because they couldn't
• 41:15
  get the, at least from what I've heard,
• 41:18
  they couldn't get the government-mandated
• 41:20
  mob or gallon out of it.
• 41:22
  And I personally, and I know this is
• 41:24
  going to rub some people the wrong way, I
• 41:26
  personally hate, hate the Jeep Liberty,
• 41:30
  because the Jeep
• 41:31
  Liberty replaced the Cherokee.
• 41:34
  And the Jeep Liberty, in my mind, is a
• 41:37
  piece of sh**. It's a little bitty
• 41:40
  VW-looking piece of sh**. It's
• 41:43
  underpowered, and it's ugly.
• 41:45
  Well, how about the cars that Jeep
• 41:46
  produced? Like, they've got those
• 41:48
  compasses and stuff like that. And then,
• 41:51
  like, and again, someone might get pissed
• 41:52
  off who'd be saying this, but they put a
• 41:54
  Jeep logo on that. They might as well
• 41:56
  take a neon and put the Jeep logo across
• 41:58
  the front. That was embarrassing.
• 42:00
  That's exactly what I was going to say.
• 42:01
  I've heard some very good things about
• 42:03
  the Jeep Compass, but it's
• 42:05
  not, in my opinion, a Jeep.
• 42:09
  No. No, I mean, you look at the way that
• 42:12
  they used to build them, and I mean, look
• 42:15
  at my 93. It's, it did not have a great
• 42:19
  maintenance plan. I mean, it was a daily
• 42:22
  driver for, I think when I pulled the
• 42:23
  records on it, about eight people since
• 42:26
  93. It's got 550,000 kilometers on it.
• 42:30
  Which I don't know what that works out to
• 42:31
  in miles, probably 280, something like
• 42:34
  that. But I mean, huge mileage. Original
• 42:37
  motor, original transmission, and the
• 42:39
  only reason why the T-case is swapped is
• 42:40
  I stole it out of it when I was doing the
• 42:43
  body job on it to put
• 42:43
  the big one back together.
• 42:46
  I mean, the body was shot, but I, you
• 42:49
  know, I kind of, it was a gas station.
• 42:51
  Finally, I rolled in with the passenger
• 42:53
  side, pushed to the door or the door
• 42:55
  pushed to the side of the seat. And I
• 42:57
  looked at this truck and said how much
• 42:59
  you want for you says you can have it.
• 43:00
  I looked at it, you know, a domino and
• 43:03
  went, you went 535,000 kilometers and
• 43:07
  you're still original. I have to fix you
• 43:09
  just to see how far you'll actually go.
• 43:11
  So, and we've got a Ford, Ford fusion and
• 43:14
  the Mustang. They're both getting sold.
• 43:15
  And I'm actually going back to the 93 as
• 43:18
  my daily driver just to
• 43:19
  see how far I can push it.
• 43:21
  Yeah, well, I was very happy that I got
• 43:24
  that 99 and I was happy because I've
• 43:27
  gotten 12 or 13 years out of life of this
• 43:31
  98 and the transmissions going strong,
• 43:35
  the engines going strong. I mean, I've
• 43:37
  got the heat creep, but I could probably
• 43:39
  take the lift kit off and put the stock
• 43:41
  tires back on it and not have the highway
• 43:43
  heat, heat creep problem. I'm going to
• 43:45
  figure that out. Actually, my
• 43:47
  transmission, my BMW
• 43:49
  transmission, my BMW transmission, my
• 43:50
  transmission temp gauge came in today. So
• 43:52
  I'm going to be installing that to see
• 43:54
  how much heat I'm getting from the
• 43:55
  transmission. Are you still running it
• 43:58
  into the rad, like the factory trans
• 44:00
  cooler? Yes. And one of the things I'm
• 44:03
  doing with this is because if you've, if
• 44:06
  you've noticed on my post, I'm a real
• 44:07
  nervous Nelly about doing things to the,
• 44:10
  to the Jeep that aren't, that I can't
• 44:12
  measure or aren't proven. And even though
• 44:15
  I've had lots of people telling me it's
• 44:16
  perfectly fine, especially if you have an
• 44:18
  aftermarket cooler, I'm
• 44:20
  going to be using a transmission cooler
• 44:20
  on there. You can take it off the
• 44:22
  radiator, but I don't want to do it. I
• 44:24
  don't want to do it until I can measure
• 44:25
  the, the temp from the radiator. Every
• 44:28
  one of my vehicles, like, I mean, every
• 44:31
  one that's automatic, that's not
• 44:34
  currently under a warranty. The, the, it
• 44:36
  has immediately went away from the
• 44:39
  factory rad cooler to an aftermarket
• 44:42
  cooler. Now, the only thing
• 44:44
  I'll tell you with like the
• 44:50
  machines is they actually can run a
• 44:51
  little too cool and it's almost like
• 44:53
  having a shift kit. It'll, it'll hit
• 44:55
  pretty hard when, until it comes up to a
• 44:57
  temperature. Yeah. And that was kind of
• 44:59
  my concern. It doesn't get, doesn't, you
• 45:02
  know, kind of surprised since you're in
• 45:04
  the, the great white North and how cold
• 45:06
  it gets up there that you actually run
• 45:07
  without the radiator. I was concerned
• 45:09
  about that, doing that whenever we do get
• 45:12
  30 degree temperatures here. And with the
• 45:16
  being hooked up to the
• 45:16
  radiator. And then I have the,
• 45:20
  the OEM transmission cooler on mine. And
• 45:23
  then with that BMW cooler, the 30, like
• 45:27
  35 degrees out, it shifts. You can tell
• 45:29
  it, it didn't really shutter, but it hits
• 45:32
  hard. Like what you're saying. And it
• 45:34
  doesn't, doesn't do it very long. It
• 45:35
  takes about, you know, maybe five minutes
• 45:37
  and then it's fine. So I was a little,
• 45:39
  little concerned about removing it from
• 45:41
  the radiator altogether. But this time.
• 45:43
  See, I've got mine so tight to the rad
• 45:46
  that I get a little bit of heat soak to
• 45:47
  kind of bring it up in temperature. But I
• 45:49
  mean, I've put the, the temperature probe
• 45:52
  on it. And I mean, Tranny always measures
• 45:55
  a lot less than the, the rad temperature
• 45:58
  at, you know, operating. So I was happy
• 46:02
  with that, you know, difference.
• 46:04
  I'm sorry, how were you
• 46:05
  measuring the temperature?
• 46:06
  I've got one of those laser temperature
• 46:09
  gauges. So I use it, like when I mod the
• 46:11
  engines and stuff like that, I use it and
• 46:13
  run it down each individual cylinder on
• 46:15
  the exhaust manifold to make sure I've
• 46:17
  got an even burn that I'm not running
• 46:19
  lean in a cylinder or something like
• 46:20
  that. Because that burns,
• 46:21
  pistons up really quickly.
• 46:23
  Right. So how do you, how do you measure
• 46:25
  the transmission temperature though?
• 46:27
  Well, I just went off the, off the cooler
• 46:30
  itself. So the cooler's got a certain
• 46:32
  temperature associated with the body of
• 46:34
  the cooler that it's because it's, it's
• 46:36
  dissipating that heat. And I just move it
• 46:38
  up to the rad and see the
• 46:39
  difference between the two.
• 46:41
  Gotcha. Yeah, because I remember scanning
• 46:43
  the BMW cooler and I was I think it was
• 46:46
  around 170 when I had it.
• 46:48
  Find it, which one I'm using. As long as
• 46:51
  you can still hear me from here.
• 46:52
  Yeah, actually, I have one as well. It's
• 46:56
  a fluke that I bought off of Amazon. And
• 47:00
  that's what I was using to see how hot
• 47:02
  the, the cooler was getting. I did not
• 47:04
  realize that that would be the same temp
• 47:06
  as what the fluid in the transmission
• 47:08
  was. I figured it would
• 47:09
  be some, some degrees off.
• 47:11
  Well, it will be some degrees off, but
• 47:13
  it's still gonna, because both of them
• 47:14
  are dissipating heat, right? So it's,
• 47:16
  it's still going to give you an idea. You
• 47:17
  know, maybe your train needs 10 degrees
• 47:19
  warmer than what you're reading on the
• 47:20
  outside, but the engine will, the
• 47:22
  right will be able to say, okay, well,
• 47:25
  I'm going to put the gauge on it and then
• 47:27
  I'll be able to monitor it. And right now
• 47:29
  the plan is to hook up the transmission
• 47:32
  gauge and run it because I don't
• 47:34
  currently have the BMW cooler on there. I
• 47:37
  had had a leak and it was really strange
• 47:39
  because both hose clamps were loose and I
• 47:41
  don't understand how they got loose. But
• 47:43
  anyway, I'll probably put another,
• 47:45
  another hose clamp on there, just double
• 47:47
  it up. And then hopefully that will solve
• 47:49
  the leak. And also too, I removed it from
• 47:52
  being in front of the
• 47:52
  radiator out of the airflow since I was
• 47:54
  having the heat creep problem on the
• 47:56
  highway. I wanted to remove that heat
• 47:58
  source and I've actually installed it in
• 48:01
  the seven little slots that are in the
• 48:03
  bottom of the custom bumper. So it's kind
• 48:07
  of at an angle, but it's in the front. So
• 48:09
  it gets airflow as you're moving down the
• 48:11
  road. There's no fan
• 48:13
  flow of air through there.
• 48:15
  When you start getting that heat creep,
• 48:16
  have you ever measured your fuel pressure
• 48:18
  on your intake rail?
• 48:19
  No.
• 48:21
  Grab a, you can go down to pretty much
• 48:24
  any parts store, get a fuel pressure
• 48:26
  gauge, measure yourself at when you're at
• 48:28
  cold startup, when you're idling and then
• 48:31
  go for a drive and wait till your engine
• 48:33
  starts to creep and
• 48:34
  watch your fuel pressure.
• 48:35
  Because I know I fought with the big one
• 48:38
  for a very long time of a similar heat
• 48:39
  creep where, you know, I get on in around
• 48:41
  the hundred on the gauge and then it
• 48:44
  would start to climb up. And then the,
• 48:46
  the engine would actually start to run
• 48:48
  rough. And I thought it actually had
• 48:49
  something to do with the temperature, but
• 48:51
  it was actually, my fuel pressure was
• 48:53
  dropping so much that the engine was
• 48:55
  running lean causing the EGTs to go up,
• 48:57
  which meant the whole engine temperature
• 48:59
  came up. And then because the fuel was so
• 49:01
  lean, it was actually
• 49:02
  starting to stutter.
• 49:03
  Right. Mine runs fine. Well, I'll take
• 49:07
  that back. Whenever it starts getting
• 49:08
  hot, when it starts running above the
• 49:10
  magic 210, you can feel it's losing some
• 49:15
  performance. And since I've put a lot of
• 49:19
  effort into the modifying the cooling
• 49:22
  system, even on the hottest days, it's
• 49:25
  very peppy. And I haven't, I don't feel
• 49:28
  that loss of performance.
• 49:29
  I really don't notice it unless I get on.
• 49:32
  Well, I've fixed it except on the highway
• 49:35
  and on the highway with, with the air
• 49:37
  conditioner on it, it gets too hot where
• 49:41
  it starts affecting performance and you
• 49:43
  can, you can smell the heat. Once you get
• 49:45
  to where you're going, you can smell it.
• 49:49
  So that's only with the AC on you've got
• 49:51
  this second fan and
• 49:52
  it's coming on properly.
• 49:54
  Yes, I actually have a bypass on it. So
• 49:57
  that's the thing I've done most recently,
• 49:59
  which helps, surprisingly, I guess the
• 50:03
  somebody had made the made the the
• 50:05
  observation that probably is with the
• 50:08
  electric fan off even running at highway
• 50:10
  speeds, it's probably acting as a block
• 50:13
  to the air flowing through
• 50:14
  that part of the radiator.
• 50:15
  So whenever I bypass it, turn it on. Now,
• 50:18
  even though it's not going to be sucking
• 50:20
  the air through there faster than the air
• 50:22
  is being pushed through there, at least
• 50:24
  it's not as impeding the airflow as much
• 50:26
  as it was. Now, I don't know how true
• 50:28
  that is, but I do see cooler temperatures
• 50:31
  with the electric fan on
• 50:32
  constantly at highway speeds.
• 50:34
  Now, the other thing I read up one time
• 50:36
  and I, I've never actually researched it
• 50:38
  because I run aftermarket fans on the big
• 50:40
  truck, but was that there were certain
• 50:42
  models of I can't remember if it was
• 50:44
  grand Cherokee or certain Cherokees that
• 50:45
  actually had more fins on the fan.
• 50:49
  Oh, that's interesting.
• 50:50
  So more fins, obviously higher airflow.
• 50:53
  Right.
• 50:53
  I run to aftermarket cooling fans plus
• 50:57
  the stock Cherokee fan. So I
• 50:59
  try to keep it really cool.
• 51:01
  Yeah, well, I'm a big believer in that.
• 51:04
  Now, one of the things I did, I put in
• 51:06
  the heavy duty grand Cherokee fan clutch
• 51:10
  sometime back and it did did make a
• 51:12
  difference at low speed. I mean, I can I
• 51:15
  can go on the trails during the middle of
• 51:17
  the summer 95 96 97 degrees air temps
• 51:21
  running the air conditioner and with the
• 51:24
  Cal induction hood, high flow thermostat,
• 51:27
  high flow water pump,
• 51:29
  three core radiator.
• 51:31
  Grand Cherokee heavy duty clutch fan.
• 51:33
  You know, I'm fine.
• 51:35
  I don't know.
• 51:35
  It may, it might get up to where the well
• 51:39
  before I had the fan bypass on it, it
• 51:41
  might get up hot enough for the electric
• 51:43
  fan to kick on, but then
• 51:44
  it goes right back down.
• 51:45
  So it operates perfectly fine at anything
• 51:48
  under about 50 miles an hour and it takes
• 51:51
  probably about 12 miles
• 51:53
  for it to start getting hot.
• 51:55
  So you have to be on the
• 51:56
  highway for a little while.
• 51:57
  The things that I have done to the
• 51:59
  cooling system certainly have helped the
• 52:01
  the heat creep problem. It's just it's
• 52:04
  just generating a little too much heat
• 52:06
  and it probably will be the solution
• 52:09
  probably will be removing the
• 52:11
  transmission from the radiator.
• 52:13
  It's it's borderline where the where the
• 52:16
  heat and the ability of the cooling
• 52:17
  system to handle it.
• 52:19
  Have you regared your truck?
• 52:20
  Yeah, yeah, it's for four 56 gears.
• 52:26
  Yeah, I don't know.
• 52:27
  That's that's odd because like all the
• 52:29
  times I've ever had heat issues in any
• 52:32
  Jeep, it's always been at low speeds and
• 52:34
  never at high speeds.
• 52:35
  Oh, yeah.
• 52:36
  I mean, that's a very common issue with
• 52:38
  the Jeep Cherokees and from my
• 52:40
  understanding is it has a lot to do with
• 52:43
  the the way the Cherokee is designed
• 52:46
  because it has a very skinny nose.
• 52:49
  It doesn't have a very tall radiator.
• 52:52
  So the surface area is very narrow.
• 52:55
  I think I think the air has a tendency
• 52:57
  and this is another thing that I need to
• 52:58
  look at is putting some sort of air dam
• 53:01
  or air block so that I can create more of
• 53:03
  a vacuum behind the radiator because I
• 53:07
  think that the airflow, especially at
• 53:09
  high speeds, has more of a
• 53:11
  tendency to go on top of the Jeep.
• 53:13
  And now with it lifted and especially
• 53:15
  with that narrow bumper front bumper that
• 53:17
  I have, it goes under.
• 53:19
  Well, I mean, like a cow, cow hood is
• 53:22
  like, you know, it's supposed to draw air
• 53:25
  in as it wraps over the top.
• 53:27
  So potentially by putting the cow hood
• 53:29
  on, you might actually be causing two
• 53:31
  different airflow, like an airflow
• 53:34
  conflict because you have air coming in
• 53:36
  from the top of the hood, which might be
• 53:37
  fighting air coming in through the rad
• 53:40
  causing turbulence in your engine bay.
• 53:42
  That's possible.
• 53:43
  Because the cow hood was originally
• 53:44
  designed at speed to hook the air in and
• 53:47
  pull it into a carburetor, but we
• 53:48
  obviously don't have that.
• 53:50
  Right.
• 53:50
  And I mean, at low speeds, it's going to
• 53:52
  allow the heat to exhaust at the top, but
• 53:55
  maybe at high speed, it
• 53:56
  could be actually a deficit.
• 53:59
  Well, I could always put a flap in there.
• 54:01
  I'd actually thought about taking a spare
• 54:04
  electric fan that I had, I think it's a
• 54:06
  1200 CFM fan, and actually bolting it in
• 54:09
  that opening that I have under the cow.
• 54:12
  And then using it, manually turn it on
• 54:16
  and exhaust the air out of the engine bay
• 54:21
  while I'm at highway speeds and create a
• 54:24
  vacuum mechanically and
• 54:27
  see what that would do.
• 54:28
  And, you know, thinking about it, I think
• 54:30
  I have just a great opportunity to just
• 54:33
  burn the Jeep down if it would catch on
• 54:36
  fire and be exhausting sucking air
• 54:39
  through there like that.
• 54:40
  But before I do that, I'm going to, I'm
• 54:44
  going to try a few of the things.
• 54:45
  And one of those things may include
• 54:47
  putting a mechanical door so that I can
• 54:51
  close off the back of that cow induction
• 54:55
  scoop and to see if
• 54:57
  that makes a difference.
• 54:58
  I suspect the Pontiac GTOs that came with
• 55:01
  an electric flapper on the scoop.
• 55:03
  I'm sure somebody did.
• 55:05
  I mean, it makes just
• 55:06
  makes too much sense.
• 55:07
  Maybe someone out there, I know there's
• 55:08
  like four people watching right now,
• 55:10
  maybe someone out there knows, I don't
• 55:11
  know if they're logged in to be able to
• 55:13
  post up, but it's an interesting thought.
• 55:16
  I mean, a lot of the stuff that
• 55:17
  everyone's doing is kind of try it and
• 55:20
  see if it works and then post up and let
• 55:22
  each other know so we don't
• 55:23
  all make the same mistakes.
• 55:25
  Yeah, that's exactly
• 55:26
  what I'm trying to do.
• 55:27
  And I know there's actually several
• 55:29
  people that are having the heat creep
• 55:31
  problem and one of them
• 55:33
  posted up here recently.
• 55:35
  He's got the 35 inch tires.
• 55:37
  I had actually thought that part of the
• 55:38
  reason why I may be having the heat creep
• 55:40
  problem on the highway is because of the
• 55:42
  32 inch tires and the 456 gears.
• 55:45
  Because if I do that, I might go down the
• 55:46
  highway at 80 miles an hour.
• 55:48
  That's 3000 RPM.
• 55:49
  And I was thinking if I got 35 is going
• 55:52
  to drop the RPM range back down very
• 55:55
  close to the stock
• 55:57
  RPM range at that speed.
• 56:00
  But this guy for 56 gears, 35 inch tires,
• 56:03
  4.0, a heat creep problem.
• 56:05
  So, you know, just because it doesn't
• 56:07
  work on his doesn't mean
• 56:09
  it wouldn't work on mine.
• 56:10
  But at least it tells me that that's
• 56:13
  probably a dead avenue that I probably
• 56:15
  need to figure out exactly what the right
• 56:17
  thing is for my setup.
• 56:19
  Let me let me let me just say real quick.
• 56:21
  I don't know.
• 56:23
  Well, this is quite a bit while ago.
• 56:24
  I just noticed the sorry
• 56:26
  Jeep four by four hundred.
• 56:27
  He had asked a question
• 56:28
  here in the chat room.
• 56:29
  He wanted to know what you think of the
• 56:32
  nineteen a 1989 Jeep Cherokees because
• 56:35
  he's looking at one here in Houston on
• 56:37
  Craigslist for two thousand dollars.
• 56:39
  I don't know if you if
• 56:40
  you saw that post up on XJ.
• 56:41
  Yeah, I did. I apologize.
• 56:43
  I've been so swamp busy that I haven't
• 56:45
  been able to post up as much because the
• 56:47
  economy is obviously pick much up here in
• 56:50
  Alberta with the oil field
• 56:51
  and I do the welding side of it.
• 56:52
  So I supply a lot of
• 56:54
  companies with their products.
• 56:55
  So it's been a little crazy.
• 56:57
  But the 89 honestly, there's a couple key
• 57:01
  features of each one that I found.
• 57:03
  I mean, the ninety eight to one has the
• 57:07
  strongest chassis that
• 57:08
  you'll get hands down.
• 57:11
  The earlier like Renek style ones, they
• 57:15
  didn't have as much power, but the body
• 57:18
  life on them usually like when you get to
• 57:19
  like the rest belts, I find that they
• 57:21
  don't rest as much as
• 57:22
  the ninety two and newer.
• 57:25
  So it's kind of a toss.
• 57:28
  I mean, if you don't mind doing a little
• 57:29
  bit of rest repair because I know like
• 57:31
  the ninety three that I
• 57:32
  have was horrible for rest.
• 57:34
  Ninety five is horrible for rest,
• 57:36
  especially in the floors
• 57:38
  and the a pillar at the top.
• 57:39
  But I mean, my 89, I beat the absolute
• 57:43
  start out of it since
• 57:45
  the day I bought it.
• 57:46
  I paid two hundred dollars for it and
• 57:48
  I've been building it for six, seven
• 57:50
  years now and it's still going strong.
• 57:53
  I have replaced the engine with a ninety
• 57:55
  five engine, but I kept the Renek system.
• 57:59
  There's a few issues with the Renek,
• 58:01
  depending if it's a sticker and auto, but
• 58:03
  I mean, nothing you can't get around.
• 58:04
  And for a starter Jeep, like your first
• 58:06
  Jeep that you're going to go out and
• 58:08
  start pounding on, they're
• 58:09
  really simple to work on.
• 58:12
  Well, the ninety eight solid overall.
• 58:13
  Yeah, the ninety eight, I was I was real
• 58:15
  happy how simple it was, too.
• 58:18
  So I was a little concerned about the
• 58:20
  price because it does.
• 58:22
  The one that he's looking at does have a
• 58:24
  four and a half inch lift and it does
• 58:25
  have thirty three inch tires, I believe.
• 58:28
  And the Craigslist ad says there are
• 58:31
  other other mods, but
• 58:32
  he doesn't go into them.
• 58:34
  But I was a little concerned that two
• 58:35
  thousand dollars for an
• 58:36
  eighty nine was a bit high.
• 58:38
  What's mileage on it?
• 58:41
  I don't recall. Jeep
• 58:43
  four by four hundred.
• 58:44
  Did you did you happen to
• 58:46
  know what the mileage is?
• 58:47
  I don't remember if he had said it in the
• 58:49
  in the Craigslist list.
• 58:49
  I don't know now. IDK. Yeah.
• 58:52
  I mean, I've got a kind of a rule of
• 58:55
  thumb when I'm buying a used vehicle that
• 58:57
  I'm kind of unconcerned,
• 58:59
  like I have some concerns with.
• 59:01
  My rule of thumb is I have to be able to
• 59:02
  look at the vehicle, look at every single
• 59:05
  good part that I know that's a good part
• 59:07
  and tally it up in my head.
• 59:09
  If I have to sell this used and someone's
• 59:11
  going to low ball me,
• 59:12
  what are those parts worth?
• 59:14
  So I mean, a four and a half inch lift,
• 59:16
  depending on, you know, what quality, how
• 59:18
  many dollars is that worth?
• 59:19
  If you had to flog it on Craigslist, you
• 59:22
  know, XJ talk another site kind of thing.
• 59:25
  How much of the tires worth?
• 59:26
  How much the rims worth?
• 59:27
  What can you get to the motor trends?
• 59:29
  Can you recover your
• 59:30
  money if you bought a pile?
• 59:32
  Right. So I mean, again, looking at that
• 59:35
  command sheet, I'm going to go back to
• 59:36
  that 90 command sheets, a four cylinder
• 59:38
  command sheet, five
• 59:39
  speed, two wheel drive.
• 59:40
  They want 420 bucks for it.
• 59:42
  It's got four brand new tires.
• 59:44
  I know I can turn around and sell the
• 59:45
  rims and tires for 200 bucks.
• 59:46
  Right. Because the brand spanking new.
• 59:50
  The motor's got 160,000 clicks on it.
• 59:52
  I can definitely get 200 bucks for it.
• 59:54
  A four cylinder tranny that actually
• 59:55
  still shifts is a miracle.
• 59:58
  So I mean, you get 200 dollars for that.
• 1:00:00
  So I know I'll be in the green if that
• 1:00:01
  truck was a complete
• 1:00:02
  pile and I had to kill it.
• 1:00:03
  Right. So that's that's
• 1:00:05
  kind of my rule of thumb.
• 1:00:06
  But I mean, an eighty nine, four and a
• 1:00:08
  half inches of lift.
• 1:00:09
  You really got to start looking at the
• 1:00:10
  chassis, too, because
• 1:00:12
  that's an older truck.
• 1:00:13
  If it's been wheeled for a while, if it
• 1:00:14
  doesn't have any kind of reinforcements,
• 1:00:17
  check the hatch, make sure
• 1:00:18
  it opens and closes easily.
• 1:00:19
  Look at all the door jams.
• 1:00:21
  Make sure they line up.
• 1:00:23
  What are some other bad spots?
• 1:00:26
  Anywhere where the floor meets the
• 1:00:28
  unibody, make sure you don't have any
• 1:00:29
  cracks in the welds, because I have
• 1:00:32
  chased down so many cracked welds and
• 1:00:34
  broken pieces in my big
• 1:00:36
  ones that have been beating it.
• 1:00:38
  That there's been a couple of times where
• 1:00:39
  I've actually almost
• 1:00:40
  considered a new chassis.
• 1:00:42
  Yeah, I can see how that would be.
• 1:00:44
  I can see how that would be not be a
• 1:00:46
  necessity, especially
• 1:00:47
  with the way you beat yours.
• 1:00:49
  And speaking of which, we're a little
• 1:00:50
  over time, but I wanted to ask
• 1:00:51
  you about those motor mounts.
• 1:00:52
  Boy, those are some some
• 1:00:54
  hell of a motor mounts.
• 1:00:55
  I'm really surprised there are so many
• 1:00:57
  little nipples to attach
• 1:00:59
  to on the side of the 4.0.
• 1:01:01
  I didn't realize that there
• 1:01:02
  was that many connection points.
• 1:01:04
  You know, neither did I.
• 1:01:05
  And after last year, I was a little, you
• 1:01:08
  know, broken hearted because when I saw
• 1:01:09
  my block and the bosses and I realized
• 1:01:13
  that I had cracked a few of them, I
• 1:01:14
  thought I was going to have to rip the
• 1:01:15
  whole engine down, get
• 1:01:16
  another block, move the cam,
• 1:01:18
  Yeah.
• 1:01:19
  Bring machine a block for the big
• 1:01:20
  pistons, you know, move the
• 1:01:22
  head, do all that work again.
• 1:01:23
  Yeah, exactly.
• 1:01:24
  And I did some searching and I came
• 1:01:26
  across Brown Dog after a recommendation
• 1:01:28
  from a guy who would run them and king of
• 1:01:30
  the hammers from pirate four by four.
• 1:01:32
  And I called them up and I said, look,
• 1:01:34
  guys, you know, here's what I've done.
• 1:01:37
  Here's the issues that I've got.
• 1:01:39
  What can I do?
• 1:01:39
  Like, can you solve my problem?
• 1:01:41
  And it's it's husband and wife team with
• 1:01:44
  their dog and they were
• 1:01:47
  so great to deal with.
• 1:01:48
  And I mean, they spent a lot of time
• 1:01:50
  going through everything with me.
• 1:01:52
  And, you know, when I went to go put them
• 1:01:54
  in and everything like that, I mean, it
• 1:01:56
  was the whole experience was nice.
• 1:01:58
  I mean, I'm still looking at the manual
• 1:02:00
  sitting on my right in front
• 1:02:02
  of me on my shop desk here.
• 1:02:04
  And for the amount of time that would
• 1:02:07
  have take to make that, I don't know how
• 1:02:09
  they do it without, you
• 1:02:11
  know, install turn a profit.
• 1:02:12
  And and just the fact that they're so
• 1:02:14
  passionate about what they do.
• 1:02:16
  It's again, it's one of those inspiring
• 1:02:18
  things like reading a thread about, you
• 1:02:20
  know, someone commenting on your work.
• 1:02:21
  It was really good thing.
• 1:02:24
  Well, it's a beautiful product.
• 1:02:25
  I mean, the level of detail with a little
• 1:02:28
  this, you know, install this first and
• 1:02:32
  just the whole thing.
• 1:02:32
  It was I don't need anything like that.
• 1:02:35
  And I found myself wanting to buy some.
• 1:02:37
  Well, you know, I never knew this was an
• 1:02:39
  issue until it all of
• 1:02:40
  a sudden was upon me.
• 1:02:42
  Right.
• 1:02:42
  I mean, you take one like what what mine
• 1:02:44
  was, I took a I misjudged a rock and it
• 1:02:47
  just missed my skid plate
• 1:02:49
  and it caught the exhaust
• 1:02:51
  in front of the transmission pan and it
• 1:02:54
  lifted my drive train up enough that it
• 1:02:56
  actually pulled the bull
• 1:02:58
  and the block boss right out.
• 1:03:00
  I mean, I know everyone else can't see
• 1:03:02
  this, but I mean, I'm holding the engine
• 1:03:04
  plate here and you can see a chunk of the
• 1:03:06
  block still bolted to it.
• 1:03:08
  And believe it or not, when I was
• 1:03:10
  actually putting the driver side one in,
• 1:03:12
  I had a broken bolt and when I went to
• 1:03:13
  pull it out, the boss cracked.
• 1:03:16
  They're not very strong.
• 1:03:17
  So, you know, I mean, if you can share
• 1:03:19
  the load of three bolts over seven or
• 1:03:22
  eight, it makes sense.
• 1:03:23
  And if you look at the factory Jeep
• 1:03:25
  Mount, I mean, pretty much any Jeep out
• 1:03:28
  there, you're going to have to change the
• 1:03:29
  driver side mount because they're weak.
• 1:03:31
  Yeah, I've already gone through two of
• 1:03:34
  them on the driver side.
• 1:03:36
  And the nice thing with these guys, you
• 1:03:37
  can buy a mount to lift your engine up.
• 1:03:39
  So if you've got some clearance issues,
• 1:03:41
  you can get one that's
• 1:03:42
  like a half inch taller.
• 1:03:43
  So you can get your engine
• 1:03:44
  up just a little bit more.
• 1:03:45
  If you're running into diff clotting with
• 1:03:47
  an oil pan or
• 1:03:49
  something along those lines.
• 1:03:51
  But I mean, if anybody even has any
• 1:03:53
  questions, give them a call, talk to them
• 1:03:54
  for five minutes and you'll realize
• 1:03:56
  they're the real deal.
• 1:03:57
  And anybody I've talked to that I've seen
• 1:04:00
  one issue with one and they basically
• 1:04:02
  call up, said, hey, I have an issue.
• 1:04:03
  They sent him out a new one the next day.
• 1:04:05
  What was the name of the I mean, I know
• 1:04:07
  you have it in the post, but just so
• 1:04:08
  everybody could hear it on the podcast.
• 1:04:10
  It's a ground dog industries and I think
• 1:04:14
  it's ground dog ground
• 1:04:15
  dog industries dot com.
• 1:04:17
  And I'll be honest, I mean, just just
• 1:04:20
  pick up the phone, call them.
• 1:04:22
  And if you have any concerns, they'll be
• 1:04:24
  leaving it just by talking with them.
• 1:04:26
  And if you don't mind me asking, how much
• 1:04:27
  did you pay for those?
• 1:04:29
  Because it's here's an interesting thing.
• 1:04:33
  We raised the Jeep and we donate every
• 1:04:35
  single penny that we
• 1:04:37
  like win from the races.
• 1:04:39
  We do fundraisers, everything like that.
• 1:04:41
  We raise money for breast cancer kind of
• 1:04:43
  for a couple of different reasons.
• 1:04:44
  My mom's a three time survivor of breast
• 1:04:46
  cancer, but also because generally of the
• 1:04:49
  four by four community in the media, the
• 1:04:52
  public, you get this redneck mentality
• 1:04:54
  where all we're doing is going out,
• 1:04:56
  running over trees,
• 1:04:57
  burning up the mud, whatever.
• 1:04:58
  Right.
• 1:04:59
  So we wanted to put a positive spin on it
• 1:05:01
  because we're losing a
• 1:05:01
  lot of trails in Alberta.
• 1:05:02
  We lost two years ago, we lost hundreds
• 1:05:05
  of like hundreds and hundreds of
• 1:05:07
  kilometers of trails because of the media
• 1:05:10
  and and honestly because
• 1:05:12
  of a couple of bad eggs.
• 1:05:13
  Oh yeah, of course.
• 1:05:14
  Turns out that the the wife or the female
• 1:05:20
  partner, or however you want to put it,
• 1:05:22
  she was just diagnosed.
• 1:05:23
  And when she heard what we were doing,
• 1:05:24
  they gave us, they
• 1:05:26
  actually helped us out a lot.
• 1:05:27
  So they gave us quite a, quite a discount
• 1:05:30
  because we don't make
• 1:05:31
  any money off the truck.
• 1:05:32
  In fact, it actually costs us boatloads
• 1:05:35
  every year to go out and race it.
• 1:05:38
  Oh, I'm sure.
• 1:05:39
  Prize money because we donate it all.
• 1:05:41
  Well, actually what I, what I meant to
• 1:05:42
  ask was how much are they?
• 1:05:44
  Initially, how much did you pay?
• 1:05:46
  I think they're about
• 1:05:47
  330 bucks for a full set.
• 1:05:49
  So you look at the time, the steel, the
• 1:05:51
  mounts, the powder coating, unless you're
• 1:05:54
  spending these things
• 1:05:55
  off on a pretty quick rate.
• 1:05:58
  You're never going to do it yourself.
• 1:05:59
  I mean, I've got a plasma cutter, TIG,
• 1:06:01
  MIG, STICK, everything in the garage.
• 1:06:04
  By the time I went through an engineer,
• 1:06:06
  figured it all out, did it, I would have
• 1:06:08
  spent triple that to make them.
• 1:06:11
  Sure.
• 1:06:12
  This just from your time and, uh, yeah.
• 1:06:16
  And we're on the 30 day
• 1:06:17
  countdown on the, on the race.
• 1:06:19
  So, and I'm, I just put buckets in for
• 1:06:22
  the, the, the four links.
• 1:06:24
  So time is definitely a, an issue.
• 1:06:26
  Well, I had actually asked you in the
• 1:06:28
  post and we have a kind of a hard time
• 1:06:30
  getting a hold of one another.
• 1:06:31
  I don't know if it's time difference or,
• 1:06:33
  uh, the time that I'm on the computer and
• 1:06:36
  you're on the computer.
• 1:06:36
  So let me just ask you here.
• 1:06:38
  Um, you had mentioned about, uh, XJ talk
• 1:06:41
  sticker for your, for your Jeep and
• 1:06:43
  actually had posted up a
• 1:06:44
  picture of the, um, the die.
• 1:06:46
  Yeah.
• 1:06:47
  The one on the tailgate.
• 1:06:49
  And, uh, I had, I had put in the post.
• 1:06:51
  Well, uh, I can get you some eight by
• 1:06:55
  twenties, like what I have on my Jeep.
• 1:06:57
  If you have a place to put them, if
• 1:06:59
  that's too big and also too, I didn't
• 1:07:00
  know what kind of timeframe I had, which
• 1:07:02
  I think you just said you got 30 days.
• 1:07:05
  Yeah.
• 1:07:05
  Like the races July 1st weekend.
• 1:07:07
  Um, eight by 20.
• 1:07:09
  God, that's, they're huge.
• 1:07:12
  You give me that
• 1:07:12
  crazy, uh, standard talk.
• 1:07:15
  Oh, oh yeah.
• 1:07:16
  I forgot that metric system again.
• 1:07:18
  See if you guys are
• 1:07:19
  good with the program.
• 1:07:20
  12 inches a foot.
• 1:07:21
  Yes.
• 1:07:22
  So eight by 20.
• 1:07:24
  Yeah, I can fit that on the trucks.
• 1:07:26
  It'll be on the roof or one of the side
• 1:07:28
  glass, or I can't put anything down the
• 1:07:31
  side of it because I ran a line the whole
• 1:07:32
  truck, but I'll
• 1:07:33
  definitely get it on there.
• 1:07:34
  Where it may be even the hood scoop.
• 1:07:37
  Well, I have, I have some half that size.
• 1:07:40
  Uh, now I was just thinking, you know,
• 1:07:42
  bigger is better, especially, you know,
• 1:07:44
  from Texas, everything's bigger in Texas.
• 1:07:46
  But if, if the Alberta, the, uh, the
• 1:07:49
  Canadian taxes, right?
• 1:07:51
  Okay.
• 1:07:52
  But if, if, uh, if one half that size
• 1:07:55
  would work better, I can, uh, and I, I
• 1:07:58
  was only saying two of the eight by
• 1:07:59
  twenties because, uh, one is like, uh,
• 1:08:02
  um, uh, 75% the cost of two.
• 1:08:06
  I can get, uh, I can get two for, you
• 1:08:08
  know, a lot cheaper.
• 1:08:09
  So, uh, I can, if you'd rather have one
• 1:08:12
  half the size, I'm just thinking there's
• 1:08:14
  this, here's this radical
• 1:08:15
  looking Jeep XJ it's in a race.
• 1:08:18
  It's bright orange.
• 1:08:20
  How big an XJ talk
• 1:08:21
  sticker can I get on there?
• 1:08:26
  Well, I I've given away the roof to a
• 1:08:28
  friend of mine that runs an auto record
• 1:08:30
  because he figures it'll
• 1:08:31
  be the best advertising.
• 1:08:32
  Cause he he's got his money.
• 1:08:33
  I thought I'm going to put it on its side
• 1:08:34
  again this year, but, uh, the hood scoop
• 1:08:37
  could definitely fit it.
• 1:08:38
  And I think an eight by 20 would fit the,
• 1:08:41
  the rear doors on the glass.
• 1:08:43
  And honestly, if I have to look through
• 1:08:45
  the back glass, I'm not doing
• 1:08:46
  the right thing in the race.
• 1:08:49
  So, well, and then, and I don't want to
• 1:08:51
  let me know, I'll get them
• 1:08:52
  on there for sure for you.
• 1:08:53
  Yeah.
• 1:08:54
  I wasn't going to ask to put them on
• 1:08:56
  because I mean, I don't have any money.
• 1:08:59
  And, and that I know that, uh, it's,
• 1:09:02
  that's the, that's the nice thing about
• 1:09:04
  going racing, uh, and putting your time
• 1:09:06
  and effort into these things is that you
• 1:09:08
  can either, uh, get donations or get
• 1:09:10
  money to help you do the race.
• 1:09:11
  So I didn't want to be so bold to say,
• 1:09:13
  Hey, uh, can you put this on your Jeep?
• 1:09:15
  So after you had asked me about it a
• 1:09:18
  couple of times, I'm thinking, yeah, I'd
• 1:09:20
  love to have the XJ
• 1:09:21
  talk sticker on there.
• 1:09:23
  Uh, so I just want to let you
• 1:09:26
  know where I was coming from.
• 1:09:27
  I wasn't trying to get
• 1:09:27
  something for nothing.
• 1:09:28
  I appreciate your, I
• 1:09:30
  appreciate you, uh, your offer.
• 1:09:32
  Cause I think that, uh, all the time and
• 1:09:34
  effort that you put into that, you should
• 1:09:36
  get a lot more than, uh, some, uh, some,
• 1:09:39
  uh, minor, uh, Jeep
• 1:09:40
  Cherokee website, uh, free sticker.
• 1:09:44
  Hey, you know what?
• 1:09:45
  It's all about promoting the sport,
• 1:09:47
  getting other people's interested,
• 1:09:49
  involved and making sure that they're
• 1:09:52
  aware of, of the trails and what's
• 1:09:54
  happening out there and who's doing the
• 1:09:55
  cleanups and who's doing, you know, the
• 1:09:57
  maintenance on them.
• 1:09:59
  We really need to put a positive spin and
• 1:10:01
  a positive light on four wheeling.
• 1:10:03
  Yeah.
• 1:10:03
  So don't get, you know, the bad media
• 1:10:06
  cause it's going to take our trails away.
• 1:10:08
  And then what are we going to do?
• 1:10:09
  We're going to go call
• 1:10:10
  shopping carts at Walmart.
• 1:10:11
  I mean, yep.
• 1:10:13
  They're, um, um,
• 1:10:15
  articulating on, uh, uh, the medians.
• 1:10:18
  Um, I was, and I meant, I meant to
• 1:10:21
  mention this earlier, you know, we can do
• 1:10:22
  some stuff on XJ talk about the, the
• 1:10:25
  breast cancer stuff.
• 1:10:26
  Um, certainly things in the notices, um,
• 1:10:30
  advertisement for, you know, some banners
• 1:10:33
  about the race you're going to be in and
• 1:10:35
  how to donate and so on and so forth.
• 1:10:36
  So, you know, let's, let's, let's get
• 1:10:38
  together and work on that.
• 1:10:39
  I mean, I think
• 1:10:40
  that's a very worthy cause.
• 1:10:41
  I mean, I don't think
• 1:10:42
  anybody likes breast cancer.
• 1:10:43
  Oh, and I meant to tell you, um, earlier,
• 1:10:46
  uh, when you said your mom was a three
• 1:10:48
  time survivor, I'm very sorry to hear
• 1:10:50
  that, but yet I'm very glad to hear that
• 1:10:51
  she's, uh, she's, uh, you
• 1:10:53
  know, making it through.
• 1:10:54
  And that, that can't be a good thing.
• 1:10:56
  I lost my dad to a lung cancer over 20
• 1:10:59
  years ago and he
• 1:11:00
  passed away on father's day.
• 1:11:02
  So, um, it is not a, a good thing.
• 1:11:06
  And, uh, uh, if he had, uh, if he had
• 1:11:09
  quit smoking back in 72, when I tried to
• 1:11:11
  get him to, when I was very young, uh,
• 1:11:14
  I'm sure he would still be here today.
• 1:11:16
  But those are, uh, those
• 1:11:17
  are choices that we all make.
• 1:11:18
  And I don't do not believe that is
• 1:11:21
  anything that's
• 1:11:21
  attributed to breast cancer.
• 1:11:23
  Yeah.
• 1:11:24
  Uh, the breast cancer, you know, it's,
• 1:11:26
  it's funny, you know, you mentioned, uh,
• 1:11:29
  doing something that could help.
• 1:11:30
  Uh, one thing my wife is looking for,
• 1:11:32
  it'll be really cool to see if we can get
• 1:11:34
  some, uh, shirts from the U S but she's
• 1:11:36
  doing two quilts this
• 1:11:37
  year as a fundraiser.
• 1:11:38
  Cause last year she cut her hair off and
• 1:11:41
  well, there's not quite
• 1:11:42
  enough to cut off anymore.
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  Um, but she's doing two quilts.
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  One she's doing from brand new fabrics
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  and doing the breast cancer ribbons and
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  stuff like that, which we're going to
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  throw up on eBay and do
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  an auction for the event.
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  The other one we're going
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  to auction off at the event.
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  And what we're looking for is old four by
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  four t-shirts that aren't
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  too badly stained or torn.
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  And she's actually going to build a quilt
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  out of all the logos and,
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  uh, emblems that are on it.
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  And she's going to auction that off
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  actually at the event.
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  So, I mean, I'm in the same boat as you.
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  We don't have a whole bunch of money to
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  spend on shipping and stuff like that.
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  So, I mean, if someone were able to send
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  out some shirts that, you know, from
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  their local four by four club chapter or,
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  you know, something like that, we'd love
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  to get them on there and build a whole.
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  Quilt out of them just as a little thing.
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  Sure.
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  Makes sense.
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  Great idea.
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  I mean, anything you, it's just like, uh,
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  the website, I just tried to put some
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  stuff together and, uh, put something
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  that I'd have a little more control over
• 1:12:39
  how people, uh, interacted with one
• 1:12:40
  another, which, you know, earlier you
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  said that the XJ talk
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  is a very friendly site.
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  And that was my main goal.
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  Um, even though my wife says
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  I'm, I'm a very mean person.
• 1:12:49
  Well, I can't remember what it was about,
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  but I remember when I first joined, I
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  actually got a PM from you because there
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  was something I said that was a little,
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  maybe a little harsh, you know, and, uh,
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  I went, oh yeah, right.
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  You know, I'm not on pirate right now.
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  I've got to make sure, you know,
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  Well, if I, if I remember correctly, I
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  tried to come across very light on that
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  because I didn't want to come across a
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  harsh because that's the whole
• 1:13:17
  goal of XJ talk that everybody
• 1:13:19
  Has, uh, can get in there and say what
• 1:13:21
  they, what they need to say, but just do
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  it in a respectful manner.
• 1:13:26
  Yeah.
• 1:13:26
  And the other thing, hard thing is, you
• 1:13:28
  know, when you're on, when you're posting
• 1:13:29
  on a forum, the way someone reads it from
• 1:13:31
  the way you were trying to explain it,
• 1:13:34
  two totally different things.
• 1:13:35
  And you know what?
• 1:13:35
  It can totally be,
• 1:13:37
  uh, taken the wrong way.
• 1:13:39
  Yes.
• 1:13:40
  I got burned so many times working in it
• 1:13:42
  with my email messages because I'm a very
• 1:13:45
  logical to the point type person.
• 1:13:48
  And, uh, that, that rubbed some people
• 1:13:50
  the wrong way, even though technically
• 1:13:51
  what I said was fine.
• 1:13:53
  So I've kind of learned, I've
• 1:13:55
  been on the other side of it.
• 1:13:56
  So I've kind of learned through a lot of
• 1:13:58
  hard knocks about, uh, that, that in, and
• 1:14:01
  that's one of the reasons why I use so
• 1:14:02
  many goofy, uh, um,
• 1:14:04
  icons, uh, those emotion kinds.
• 1:14:06
  So I can try to get across that.
• 1:14:07
  I'm just kidding.
• 1:14:08
  I'm just joking.
• 1:14:09
  Cause I know how direct I can be.
• 1:14:10
  Yeah.
• 1:14:11
  Yeah.
• 1:14:12
  I can appreciate that.
• 1:14:13
  Absolutely.
• 1:14:14
  So I don't know if Jeep
• 1:14:16
  four by four hunters still on.
• 1:14:18
  I don't know if he's, if you heard
• 1:14:20
  everything we said, and if he's, uh,
• 1:14:22
  digging the answer or not, but I mean, if
• 1:14:24
  he's willing to go and get more photos of
• 1:14:26
  it, I mean, I'm sure we'd all be able to
• 1:14:28
  help him pick out a good one.
• 1:14:30
  Oh, absolutely.
• 1:14:31
  I meant to mention to you five, you say
• 1:14:33
  $500 for Mustang heads.
• 1:14:35
  That's what I was told last week during
• 1:14:37
  the, uh, during the chat.
• 1:14:38
  Um, it was a remand remanufactured heads.
• 1:14:42
  Cause I don't know, like my local yard, I
• 1:14:45
  could probably walk in by a
• 1:14:46
  whole engine for 300 bucks.
• 1:14:48
  Yeah.
• 1:14:48
  These would be, uh, I mean, valves, the
• 1:14:51
  valve job, uh, complete
• 1:14:53
  heads to complete heads for $500.
• 1:14:56
  They were remanufactured.
• 1:14:57
  But, uh, talking to, um, the, uh, the
• 1:15:00
  other admin on X-ray talk, he does a lot
• 1:15:02
  of, uh, uh, engine type work, uh, uh,
• 1:15:06
  auto, uh, auto work.
• 1:15:07
  He says that it's a good chance that I
• 1:15:09
  may just have a warped head, uh, that
• 1:15:11
  it's probably not cracked.
• 1:15:12
  Um, I may not even have to
• 1:15:13
  have it, uh, have it milled.
• 1:15:15
  Uh, just need to check it.
• 1:15:16
  So what I'm going to do, it's warped.
• 1:15:19
  I'd still playing it.
• 1:15:20
  No, of course.
• 1:15:21
  But he was saying it may not be warped.
• 1:15:23
  It may just be a blown head gasket.
• 1:15:24
  So basically it's one of those situations
• 1:15:27
  where you just don't
• 1:15:28
  know till you get into it.
• 1:15:29
  Um, so I'm just going to have to take it
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  apart and, uh, and see.
• 1:15:33
  I think that I read a recent post and
• 1:15:36
  it's not a local price, but it, I don't
• 1:15:38
  think it should be that far off, uh, that
• 1:15:40
  somebody said machine shops will, will
• 1:15:42
  mill the mill those heads for
• 1:15:44
  a hundred bucks, $50 a piece.
• 1:15:46
  And another $50 for a head gasket.
• 1:15:49
  I was saying, if you've got a hundred
• 1:15:51
  bucks a piece, there's 200 bucks in your
• 1:15:52
  heads, you haven't even
• 1:15:53
  popped them apart yet.
• 1:15:55
  Then you're going to be 150 bucks into an
• 1:15:57
  engine gasket kit and
• 1:15:59
  your time to do all that.
• 1:16:01
  I just checked around the local yard, see
• 1:16:03
  what they have for a low mileage 3.8
• 1:16:05
  yard, the motor road, stick
• 1:16:07
  the new one in and flog it.
• 1:16:08
  Yeah.
• 1:16:09
  Well, I have personally, and this is my
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  inexperience because the only time I've
• 1:16:13
  changed engines is
• 1:16:14
  when I've rebuilt them.
• 1:16:15
  And I haven't done that since I was very
• 1:16:17
  young to give you an idea.
• 1:16:19
  It was a three 50 and a
• 1:16:20
  three 27 Chevy three, three 27.
• 1:16:23
  Uh, I love that three 27 up until the day
• 1:16:26
  I broke the, uh, one of the main.
• 1:16:28
  Anyway, um, I have a
• 1:16:31
  really, a really heavy foot.
• 1:16:32
  One of the reasons why I got into a four
• 1:16:34
  wheel drives and trucks and stuff.
• 1:16:36
  So I wouldn't drive around as fast, but
• 1:16:38
  anyway, no, no tickets.
• 1:16:41
  Uh, I was, I had really good eyesight and
• 1:16:44
  learn very quickly how
• 1:16:45
  to avoid those situations.
• 1:16:47
  Mainly what it is, mainly what it is is
• 1:16:49
  you don't drive fast for very, very long.
• 1:16:52
  You can burst and get it back down to
• 1:16:56
  acceptable and they
• 1:16:57
  just don't mess with you.
• 1:16:58
  Even with that bright red Jeep, uh, I
• 1:17:00
  don't have any problems and I guarantee
• 1:17:02
  you, I don't drive a speed limit with
• 1:17:03
  that thing hardly ever.
• 1:17:05
  Uh, the only time, the only time I drive
• 1:17:07
  speed limit is when I'm turning into the
• 1:17:09
  neighborhood and that's because there's
• 1:17:10
  kids on the streets.
• 1:17:11
  But anyway, but anyway, I have a, I have
• 1:17:14
  a problem because of my inexperience with
• 1:17:16
  it of getting a junkyard engine.
• 1:17:18
  The way I look at it is I'm getting
• 1:17:20
  somebody else's problem and, uh, I would
• 1:17:23
  rather do the work with the heads and the
• 1:17:25
  gaskets and stuff if no other reason.
• 1:17:26
  So I could see it and have a better
• 1:17:28
  understanding of, of where I was.
• 1:17:30
  But I appreciate what you're saying.
• 1:17:32
  And that, that is a
• 1:17:32
  common solution that I do here.
• 1:17:35
  I was like the bosses there.
• 1:17:43
  Okay.
• 1:17:43
  Well, actually we're, uh, we're over
• 1:17:45
  almost a half hour here.
• 1:17:47
  It's about time to wrap this stuff up.
• 1:17:49
  It was a great having Jensen call in and
• 1:17:53
  very interesting discussion.
• 1:17:54
  Um, actually Jensen had responded to my
• 1:17:58
  request for a co-host, uh,
• 1:18:02
  that I posted up on XJ talk.
• 1:18:04
  So, uh, if, uh, if you're interested in
• 1:18:07
  being a co-host here on the show, um, you
• 1:18:10
  don't XJ talk and, uh, hit me
• 1:18:12
  up and we can give it a try.
• 1:18:14
  See how things would work out.
• 1:18:16
  Basically we would, uh, not just have a
• 1:18:18
  conversation between ourselves, but, uh,
• 1:18:20
  go over, uh, subjects that we wanted to
• 1:18:23
  cover on the show and,
• 1:18:24
  um, even interview a guest.
• 1:18:27
  So I think it could be a lot of a lot
• 1:18:30
  more fun than hearing one guy ramble on.
• 1:18:32
  I mean, hearing two guys, ramble on is
• 1:18:34
  always more interesting, right?
• 1:18:37
  So if, uh, if you have a Jeep Cherokee,
• 1:18:40
  you need to join XJ talk.com and you can
• 1:18:43
  look me up motor Roy.
• 1:18:45
  Um, I did, I neglected to mention, my
• 1:18:48
  name's Tony, but motor Roy is my, uh,
• 1:18:51
  name on XJ talk.com and
• 1:18:52
  we have a lot of fun there.
• 1:18:54
  If you're already a
• 1:18:54
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• 1:18:56
  Tell people about our podcast.
• 1:18:58
  Tell, uh, tell people about XJ talk.com.
• 1:19:02
  Um, the more the merrier and post up the
• 1:19:05
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• 1:19:07
  to join and the more we're going to have,
• 1:19:10
  um, not only the fun, but more
• 1:19:12
  information about, uh, how
• 1:19:14
  everybody is doing things on their Jeep,
• 1:19:17
  what problems they're having and more
• 1:19:19
  importantly, what are the solutions.
• 1:19:22
  So guys, make sure you join us next week.
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• 1:19:27
  Central time.
• 1:19:29
  And, uh, this is Jeep
• 1:19:31
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• 1:19:33
  So until next week, have a, uh, very
• 1:19:36
  good, uh, week and, uh, man, I hope Texas
• 1:19:39
  gets some rain soon
• 1:19:40
  because, uh, it's very dry here.
• 1:19:43
  See you guys.
• 1:19:43
  Thanks again.
• 1:20:21
  I just wanted to say XJ Talk is the best
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  f***ing sight in the f***ing world.
• 1:20:27
  And if you think you know a better
• 1:20:28
  f***ing sight, f*** you.
• 1:20:30
  By the way, this is Big M 350.
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  Bye.
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  Awwww.
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