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Tucker Carlson Says He's Done with the Republican Party · 3 Martini Lunch – Political Humor & Commentary

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Speaker 1: Welcome to the Three Martini Lunch.
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Speaker 2: Grab a stool next to Greg Corumbus of Radio America
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Speaker 2: and Jim Garrity of National Review.
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Speaker 3: Free Martini's coming up.
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Speaker 4: So glad you're with us For the Monday edition of
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Speaker 4: the Three Martini Lunch. Jim Garrity is back. Many thanks
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Speaker 4: to Charlie Cook and Susan Crabtree and Chris Scalia for
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Speaker 4: filling in for Jim last week. And Jim, it was
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Speaker 4: almost exactly a year ago that you were on vacation
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Speaker 4: when we bombed the Iranian nuclear facilities, and you had
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Speaker 4: to wait a little while to express how much you
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Speaker 4: loved that. This time you've had to wait a few
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Speaker 4: days to express how much you hate the Memorandum of
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Speaker 4: Understanding and now the I guess more formal talks towards
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Speaker 4: a deal between the United States and Iran happening in Geneva, Switzerland.
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Speaker 4: The Vice President Jade Vance is leading that delegation, and
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Speaker 4: as of this morning, he seemed pretty excited about where
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Speaker 4: things stood.
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Speaker 2: We made a lot of good progres. We did exactly
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Speaker 2: what we wanted to do, which is accomplish four things
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Speaker 2: for the American people. First, we wanted to build a
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Speaker 2: mechanism for keeping the strait of horror moves open.
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Speaker 5: It is open.
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Speaker 2: We've seen, of course, gas prices and oil prices come down,
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Speaker 2: millions and millions of barrels of crude and natural gas
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Speaker 2: flowing through the strait of horror moods that weren't flowing before.
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Speaker 2: But we also wanted to make sure that we actually
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Speaker 2: set up the coordination mechanism so that we could demine
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Speaker 2: the straits of horror moves so that when there are
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Speaker 2: the conflicts that inevitably come up, we can make sure
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Speaker 2: we work through them rather than that leading to escalation.
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Speaker 2: And that is exactly what we did yesterday.
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Speaker 5: Number two.
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Speaker 2: We also wanted to build a mechanism, a similar mechanism
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Speaker 2: for deconfliction for the regional ceasefire. As the President of
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Speaker 2: the United States has themselves said, sometimes these ceasefires just
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Speaker 2: mean you're shooting a little bit less. But we wanted
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Speaker 2: to make sure that we had the proper coordination set
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Speaker 2: up so that if there is shooting, if Hesbela fires
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Speaker 2: at Israel, or if Israel responds, if there are other
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Speaker 2: flicks that arise in the region, we're actually talking to
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Speaker 2: each other and figuring out how to stop the shooting,
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Speaker 2: how to make the region safer, our allies and everybody else.
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Speaker 2: We set that up as well. Number Three, we and
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Speaker 2: this is probably what we're most excited about as Americans.
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Speaker 2: The Iranians have agreed to invite IAEA inspectors back into
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Speaker 2: their country. That is a major milestone for the American
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Speaker 2: people and the first step in permanently denuclearizing or permanently
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Speaker 2: ending a nuclear weapons program in Iran.
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Speaker 4: So Jim, Hopefully there's some progress that's going to end
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Speaker 4: up with something much better than the Memorandum of Understanding.
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Speaker 4: But we heard over and over and over again how
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Speaker 4: great the negotiations were going on the MoU. And we
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Speaker 4: know what garbage we got in terms of three hundred
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Speaker 4: billion dollars, And we'll figure out the nuclear stuff later
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Speaker 4: and easing sanctions and all this stuff. You're right about
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Speaker 4: this today in the morning, Jolt, what do you make
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Speaker 4: of what he just said? And what do you make
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Speaker 4: of the memorandum.
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Speaker 3: I'm glad people are referring to it by the acronym
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Speaker 3: mo OU. I've been referring to it by another three
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Speaker 3: letter acronym that also has O in the middle. But
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Speaker 3: I'll let you gets which ones were before it and
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Speaker 3: after it.
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Speaker 5: I know. Vice President jad Evance does.
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Speaker 3: Not mention that under the MoU Iran only has to
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Speaker 3: open the straight for sixty days. After that, it's entirely
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Speaker 3: dependent on them being satisfied with everything else that's going on.
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Speaker 3: He does not mention the fact that the Iranians said
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Speaker 3: they were closing the Straight of horor moves. Now they
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Speaker 3: basically have. You know, there's been dispute about whether they're
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Speaker 3: actually following up or this is saber rattling. But it's
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Speaker 3: one of those things where also in the MoU Iran,
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Speaker 3: if they can work out a deal with Oman, can
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Speaker 3: charge a toll.
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Speaker 5: I'm sorry, and administrative fee. It's totally not a toll.
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Speaker 3: It's totally not you know, for all of the administration
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Speaker 3: that they're doing of the Straight of Hour moves, what
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Speaker 3: administration is that they do, it doesn't specify that, you know,
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Speaker 3: So theoretically we may be entering an era in which,
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Speaker 3: you know, every ship has to pay the Iranian government
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Speaker 3: and probably the Omani government as well a fee just
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Speaker 3: to transit that this is international water, so not supposed
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Speaker 3: to be any restrictions on going through that. His second
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Speaker 3: point where he says, you know, we I think we're
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Speaker 3: making great progress on Israel and Lebanon. Greg, I don't
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Speaker 3: know about you. If I wanted to negotiate a deal
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Speaker 3: that would create peace between Israel and Hesbela forces in Lebanon,
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Speaker 3: I might have invited the Israelis and Lebanese. I kind
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Speaker 3: of feel like they should be at the table. If
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Speaker 3: this is going to be a deal that is binding
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Speaker 3: on them, I think it's gonna be very hard to get.
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Speaker 3: You know, first of all, like I was asked about
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Speaker 3: this on Sienna and earlier this morning. If you want
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Speaker 3: one silver lining here, and I'm not gonna give there's
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Speaker 3: not a lot of silver linings in this one. Is
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Speaker 3: that Iran does have a consider a lot of control
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Speaker 3: over Hesbela. They're effectively a proxy group. If Iran says
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Speaker 3: don't do something, the Hesebla is probably not going to
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Speaker 3: do it. But I don't you know, the kind of
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Speaker 3: a ragtag group. There's no guarantee that somebody out there
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Speaker 3: isn't going to decide to start firing missiles because hey,
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Speaker 3: we've got some missiles. Certainly bbnet Yahoo is not gonna,
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Speaker 3: you know, hold back on responding to attacks because of
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Speaker 3: something the United States negotiated with the Pakistanis and.
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Speaker 5: Kataris and Iranians.
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Speaker 3: So I don't understand why he thinks this is going
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Speaker 3: to work out that well. I'm glad he recognized that
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Speaker 3: we have to have them involved at some point in
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Speaker 3: the process. But I really don't think you can present
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Speaker 3: a deal to the Israeli government or the Lebanese government
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Speaker 3: and say, hey, this is the new rules for you guys,
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Speaker 3: and you're going to live under them.
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Speaker 5: It's not going to work out that way.
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Speaker 3: And BOYD, is there anything more Obama Esque than celebrating
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Speaker 3: the fact the Iranians have agreed to international inspections. As
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Speaker 3: I said earlier today, in two thousand and four, twenty twelve,
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Speaker 3: twenty sixteen, twenty seventeen, the Iranians have bragged about how
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Speaker 3: easy it is to fool international inspectors. This is a
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Speaker 3: formula for at some point, well, you're allowed to inspect
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Speaker 3: this place where we're not doing.
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Speaker 5: Anything, but this place's highly classic.
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Speaker 3: No, we're not going to let you into that, and
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Speaker 3: you know, but trust us, we're not doing anything illegal
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Speaker 3: in there. We're not doing anything that violates the deal.
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Speaker 3: I think if you're again. There's not a lot of
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Speaker 3: silver linings here. Probably the best silver lining is that
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Speaker 3: we know the Iranians are going to break their word
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Speaker 3: at some point. Some would argue that they already have
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Speaker 3: by saying they're shutting down the Street of Four moves
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Speaker 3: that basically we at some point we're not going to
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Speaker 3: have to keep our side of the bargain. The problem is,
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Speaker 3: at least according to the wording of the memorandum immediately
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Speaker 3: upon the signing of the MoU, which the President did
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Speaker 3: in Versailles, Greg I don't know if you're a history
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Speaker 3: buff but the last Treaty of Versailles did not work
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Speaker 3: out great. I would to pick some other French city
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Speaker 3: Treaty of Paris that worked out just fine. But anyway,
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Speaker 3: the United States will begin removal of the naval blockade.
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Speaker 3: This is one of the three ways we have control
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Speaker 3: over the Iranian economy. One's the blockade, one is the sanctions,
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Speaker 3: and one is the limits on their sales of foreign oil.
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Speaker 3: By sanctioning other countries that decide to purchase their oil.
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Speaker 3: Under the MoU, we give up all three. We also
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Speaker 3: agree to not increase the number of military forces in
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Speaker 3: the region. Why do the Iranian mullas get veto power
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Speaker 3: over how many forces we decide to put in the
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Speaker 3: Middle East? Why do we decide we remove all sanctions?
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Speaker 3: And the other part is that immediately upon the signing
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Speaker 3: of the MoU and until the termination of sanctions, the
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Speaker 3: US Department of Treasury will issue waivers for the export
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Speaker 3: of Iranian crude oil, petroleum products and derivatives, and all
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Speaker 3: associated services including banking, insurances, transportation. So President signed it
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Speaker 3: last week. I guess that's already gone to effect. Some
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Speaker 3: of this, by the way, violates the law. That is,
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Speaker 3: you can't take off sanctions of the Iranian Revolutionary Guard Corps.
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Speaker 3: Apparently we're going to take them off the terrorism list.
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Speaker 3: All is forgiven, like this is a the eyes. I
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Speaker 3: wrote in today's Morning Jolt. The only reason you can't
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Speaker 3: call this a wholesale surrender on the part of the
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Speaker 3: United States to the Iranians is because we're paying retail
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Speaker 3: prices for the reparations we're paying to them, to the
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Speaker 3: tune of three hundred billion or more.
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Speaker 5: No, that's true.
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Speaker 4: And one of the things that I was most frustrated by,
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Speaker 4: because the defense of the MoU had been well, none
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Speaker 4: of this actually happens unless they behave. But as you
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Speaker 4: pointed out, there are certain things that absolutely triggered by
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Speaker 4: signing the MoU their immediate they're not dependent on getting
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Speaker 4: to a formal deal.
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Speaker 5: Right.
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Speaker 3: Yeah, that's the these steps apparently, at least according to
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Speaker 3: the wording of it, is already now. The other thing is,
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Speaker 3: it's kind of interesting that when the administration wants to
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Speaker 3: say this is terrific, you know, they have not quite
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Speaker 3: held it up and declared peace, for there are time
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Speaker 3: piece for our time.
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Speaker 5: But they, you know, in.
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Speaker 3: True devil Chamberlain mode, but they talk about how great
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Speaker 3: it is, and then when you read it and you
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Speaker 3: point out all the things that are really not great
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Speaker 3: for American interests and not great for the interests of
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Speaker 3: our allies, they're very quick to saying, look, this is
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Speaker 3: this is the outline of a plan. This is just
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Speaker 3: the first step. There are a lot of details to
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Speaker 3: be worried.
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Speaker 5: Don't worry.
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Speaker 3: This is just a three by five index card. It
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Speaker 3: doesn't really count for anything. The real deal will come,
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Speaker 3: you know, in the next sixty days. Well, first of all,
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Speaker 3: if you couldn't reach any deal, now, what's going to
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Speaker 3: happen in the next sixty days is going to magically
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Speaker 3: make the Iranians more cooperative, or more trustworthy, or more
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Speaker 3: likely to keep their word. Say again, the problem with
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Speaker 3: the Iranian regime is the Iranian regime, and the great
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Speaker 3: irony is that Donald Trump and JD. Vance spent, you know,
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Speaker 3: the better part of a decade ripping into the Obama
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Speaker 3: administration for providing one hundred and fifty million in released funds.
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Speaker 3: By the way, we're wondering, it wasn't really it wasn't
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Speaker 3: technically a direct American payment. It was basically the shaw
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Speaker 3: of Iran had purchased a whole bunch of military equipment
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Speaker 3: prepaid and then, like US, did not deliver it because
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Speaker 3: of the Iranian Revolution. So the Iranians said, hey, we
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Speaker 3: deserve a refund for that, and We're like, no, we're
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Speaker 3: not going to give it to you. Your Iradian mulls.
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Speaker 3: You took our people hostage. You know, we're not giving
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Speaker 3: you anything. Obama gave that. I think it was a
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Speaker 3: very bad idea. You give money to the Iradian regime
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Speaker 3: even if they promise we're only going to use us
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Speaker 3: to build infrastructure, wink wink. That money is fungible. They
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Speaker 3: can spend any money they don't have to spend on
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Speaker 3: rebuilding infrastructure like bridges and stuff. Is money they can
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Speaker 3: use for ballistic missiles or drones, or the nuclear program,
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Speaker 3: or rebuilding their military or anything else they want to do.
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Speaker 3: So it is just the most Iran skeptic administration of
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Speaker 3: all time has suddenly become the most Iran credulous administration
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Speaker 3: of all time. And this is going to blow up
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Speaker 3: in our face unless it blows up in our face
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Speaker 3: very quickly and then doesn't really get much of a
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Speaker 3: chance to go into effect.
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Speaker 4: And it's in a difficult situation to say the least,
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Speaker 4: you did mention one of the least popular in history
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Speaker 4: British prime ministers. We'll be talking about another one in
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Speaker 4: just a second here as Kure Starmer takes inner stage
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Speaker 4: In the UK, they're about to get yet another prime minister.
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Speaker 4: They've had a lot over the last decade plus from
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Speaker 4: David Cameron, Teresa May Boris Johnson, Liz Truss, Rishi Sunak
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Speaker 4: and now we've got because of the huge Landslide a
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Speaker 4: couple of years ago. The latest Labor Party Prime Minister,
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Speaker 4: and that is Keir Starmer. He's been a complete disaster,
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Speaker 4: whether it's about free speech, whether it's about you know,
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Speaker 4: equal justice under the law. We just had the huge
11:41
Speaker 4: rape gang report that came out last week. Immigration'spin a mess,
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Speaker 4: and so many other things. You wouldn't know it from
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Speaker 4: his characterization of his own record. But first of all,
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Speaker 4: he's on his way out. His own party doesn't want
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Speaker 4: him to be Prime minister anymore, so here he is
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Speaker 4: trying to spin that bit of news.
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Speaker 6: The question my party is Oscar now is whether I
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Speaker 6: am best placed to lead us into the next general election.
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Speaker 6: I have heard the answer of my parliamentary party to
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Speaker 6: that question, and I accept that answer with good grace.
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Speaker 6: Every decision I've taken has been about putting the country
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Speaker 6: I love first. That is why I will resign as
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Speaker 6: leader of the Labor Party. I have spoken to His
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Speaker 6: Majesty the King this morning to inform him of my decision.
12:38
Speaker 6: I will ask the National Executive Committee of the Labor
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Speaker 6: Party to set out a timetable with nominations opening on
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Speaker 6: the ninth of July and completed by the summer recess.
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Speaker 4: But he's absolutely convinced, at least in public, that he
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Speaker 4: did an awesome job as Prime minister.
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Speaker 6: I was told time and time again that my party
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Speaker 6: was fi, that we were consigned to history, that the
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Speaker 6: majority at the general election, let alone a landslide majority,
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Speaker 6: was impossible. But we proved those people wrong because we
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Speaker 6: changed our party, ripping out the poison of anti Semitism,
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Speaker 6: restoring trust on the economy, defense a national security, and
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Speaker 6: becoming a party that once again stood proudly with not
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Speaker 6: against our national flag.
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Speaker 4: That was Beethoven playing in the background there or the
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Speaker 4: Diehard song from Beethoven, depending on how you like it there.
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Speaker 4: But Jim, he's done so well, he's been amazing. He
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Speaker 4: must be leaving with just absolute amazing approval ratings. No,
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Speaker 4: as of earlier this month, he had a nineteen percent
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Speaker 4: approval rating and a sixty four percent disapproval rating. People
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Speaker 4: hate the Labor Party. They only voted him in because
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Speaker 4: they hated the Tories a couple of years ago. What
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Speaker 4: do you make of the shift now?
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Speaker 3: First of all, you announce your resignation and then spontaneously
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Speaker 3: a choir appears and bursts into ode to joy Aka. Look,
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Speaker 3: either they opened the vault in not Chotoby Plaza right
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Speaker 3: down the street, or just Britain's are thrilled.
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Speaker 5: To be rid of this guy.
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Speaker 3: This is the i believe, the seventh Prime Minister of
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Speaker 3: the United Kingdom since twenty fifteen, which is kind of
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Speaker 3: an unnerving trend. All political leadership positions are temp jobs
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Speaker 3: really you think about it, Everything is a temp job
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Speaker 3: on a long enough timescale, even Supreme Court justices. But
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Speaker 3: in the end, very few of them have made more
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Speaker 3: than I'm not sure any of them made it three years,
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Speaker 3: which is kind of an unnerving and disturbing development. Yes,
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Speaker 3: there's a lot of populist anger going on throughout all
14:43
Speaker 3: Western countries, and we should point out a bunch of
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Speaker 3: these were in the Conservative Party, the theoretically technically right
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Speaker 3: of center.
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Speaker 5: Party over in the UK.
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Speaker 3: And I have areas where I just I agree very
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Speaker 3: strongly with Boris Johnson, but no getting around it. The
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Speaker 3: United Kingdom has a serious immigration problem. United Kingdom has
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Speaker 3: a serious assimilation The United State Kingdom has a serious
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Speaker 3: criminal problem. The United Kingdom has a serious problem of
15:05
Speaker 3: a road to success, a road to being able to
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Speaker 3: rise in life. If you don't address those things. People
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Speaker 3: are just going to keep you flipping through Prime ministers.
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Speaker 3: Did you know care Starmer who, by the way, with
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Speaker 3: a name like that, how did he not end up
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Speaker 3: German Chancellor? I guess it's a kin to Alan Rickman
15:23
Speaker 3: being a great British actor and playing Hans Gruber as
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Speaker 3: this great German terrorist thief. He's not just a thief,
15:29
Speaker 3: He's a brilliant thief. He's nothing common about about them
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Speaker 3: as the thief. This, I think is a representation of
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Speaker 3: the government of the United Kingdom basically not listening to
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Speaker 3: the people, because like, yeah, if you decide to say, okay,
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Speaker 3: we're going to strictly limit immigration, We're going to deport
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Speaker 3: people who commit crimes. We are going to expect people
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Speaker 3: who come here to assimilate to our values. And one
15:48
Speaker 3: of our values is you don't rape little girls. And
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Speaker 3: this is not part of your culture. This is not
15:54
Speaker 3: some time honored tradition. We don't care what the age
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Speaker 3: of consent is over in your country. We don't care
15:59
Speaker 3: what the age of consent is in your culture. We
16:02
Speaker 3: have laws, we're going to enforce them, and if you
16:04
Speaker 3: break those laws, you're either going to prison for a
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Speaker 3: long time, or you're going to be kicked back to
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Speaker 3: where whichever country you came from. We're in the middle
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Speaker 3: of the World Cup. I know that England and Scotland
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Speaker 3: compete separately in the World Cup. You talk to you
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Speaker 3: watched the English soccer fans. This is still a country
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Speaker 3: that has patriotism. This is still a country that has pride.
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Speaker 3: This is still a country that wants to be proud
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Speaker 3: of itself. And it just feels like the British political
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Speaker 3: class is ashamed of their country, ashamed of their history,
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Speaker 3: ashamed of their heritage. And I went through it. This
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Speaker 3: was a closing point in today's Morning Joel. I can't
16:37
Speaker 3: find anyway at National Review who had anything nice to
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Speaker 3: say about Cure Stormer in the entirety of the time
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Speaker 3: he was Prime Minister, which I know wasn't that long,
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Speaker 3: but it was a little bit more than two years,
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Speaker 3: or coming up on two years, which is kind of
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Speaker 3: a depressing state of things where you can't point to
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Speaker 3: anything in the guy's term. So, no, you did not
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Speaker 3: do a great job here, Starmer. Do not let the
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Speaker 3: door hit you where the Good Lord split you.
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Speaker 4: Yes, it is time for him to go. Sadly, you
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Speaker 4: can go five years before another election can be called.
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Speaker 4: They can call it anytime they want. The Labor Party,
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Speaker 4: they're not going to do that right now because their
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Speaker 4: approval rating overall is in the tank as well, so
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Speaker 4: Let's move on to Tucker Carlson. Tucker Carlson is probably
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Speaker 4: pretty darn happy with the memorandum of understanding, but of
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Speaker 4: course he is absolutely apoplectic that this war ever took
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Speaker 4: place in the first place. Not because you know, he
18:27
Speaker 4: shared the concerns we had about what the possible endgame was.
18:30
Speaker 4: But no, no, no, he's you know, worried that Iran's
18:33
Speaker 4: being treated unfairly. That's never been a concern here on
18:35
Speaker 4: the three martini lunch. But Tucker Carlson has now decided that,
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Speaker 4: largely due to this, he's done with the Republican Party.
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Speaker 1: I would not support the Republican Party. There's no chance
18:46
Speaker 1: I would support the Republican Party. Not going to support
18:48
Speaker 1: the Democratic Party. I don't know what I'm gonna do,
18:50
Speaker 1: But at this point, you know, how could you support
18:53
Speaker 1: How could I or any American voters support a political
18:56
Speaker 1: party that's not loyal to the United States, that puts
18:59
Speaker 1: the interests of a four country above those of its
19:01
Speaker 1: own citizens, Like that's you know, it's not possible to
19:05
Speaker 1: vote for people like that, and I'm not going to.
19:07
Speaker 1: And I think I voted Republican my entire life. I
19:10
Speaker 1: worked at Fox News, I've seen an MSNBC. I've been
19:15
Speaker 1: a consistent defender for thirty five years of the Republican Party.
19:19
Speaker 1: I mean, very consistent defender. But there's no defending this
19:22
Speaker 1: because it's immoral and it's exactly the opposite of what
19:26
Speaker 1: a political party in a democracy is charged with doing,
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Speaker 1: which is representing its own voters, its own citizens, its
19:33
Speaker 1: own nation. And they're not doing that. So no, I'm out.
19:36
Speaker 1: And if I'm out, then I think a lot of
19:38
Speaker 1: other people are at you.
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Speaker 5: They're out too.
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Speaker 4: Yeah, because you're so important, You're so influential that if
19:43
Speaker 4: you've made a decision, then obviously everyone's going to follow
19:45
Speaker 4: your lead. There, Jim, I see this as an addition
19:48
Speaker 4: by subtraction, hopefully. I'm a little bit concerned that he
19:52
Speaker 4: might try to do a third party bid, maybe with
19:54
Speaker 4: Thomas Massey, that's the name in the combo that's floating
19:57
Speaker 4: around in my head. I have nothing to necessarily suggest
20:00
Speaker 4: that that's actually in the works, but it would not
20:01
Speaker 4: shock me but they're kind of treading in the same
20:04
Speaker 4: lane as you know, the Democrats here with their attitude
20:07
Speaker 4: towards Israel, and so I'm not sure that that would
20:10
Speaker 4: necessarily do the damage to the GOP that he thinks,
20:12
Speaker 4: but who knows. Once you get a third party in there,
20:15
Speaker 4: it's hard to necessarily say where the influence is going
20:17
Speaker 4: to go.
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Speaker 3: So I think it's a free country, and if Tucker
20:20
Speaker 3: Carlson wants to leave the Republican Party, he's free to
20:22
Speaker 3: do that. I think there are a lot of Republicans
20:24
Speaker 3: who will what's the meme for Gene Wilder as Willy Wonka, No,
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Speaker 3: don't come back, clearly not caring if the person leaves.
20:31
Speaker 3: But I think of what was interesting about this is
20:34
Speaker 3: in twenty twenty four at the Republican Convention in Milwaukee,
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Speaker 3: Tucker Carlson was a speaker. It was a feature speaker
20:39
Speaker 3: the night that Trump gave his address, and I remember
20:42
Speaker 3: I was in the arena, and if I remember correctly,
20:44
Speaker 3: Tucker Carlson did not have for pair of remarks on
20:46
Speaker 3: the teleprompter. He just winged it for about fifteen minutes
20:49
Speaker 3: or so. Now, I think if you're speaking at a
20:51
Speaker 3: major party national political convention. You should be either an
20:56
Speaker 3: elected official of that party, a candidate for elected office
20:59
Speaker 3: of that party, an extraordinary American, or a member of
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Speaker 3: the other party who's decided I'm really upset with my
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Speaker 3: party and I'm endorsing this one.
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Speaker 5: This is why you have Zell Miller.
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Speaker 3: Giving the keynote address at the two thousand and four
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Speaker 3: Republican convention. And I'm just kind of sitting there thinking
21:12
Speaker 3: that Tucker Carlson, you know, having a pundit just go
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Speaker 3: up and talk for fifteen minutes on the final line
21:17
Speaker 3: of the convention. That's kind of It's not as egregious
21:20
Speaker 3: as say, having a major labor leader go give the
21:23
Speaker 3: entire keynote address to give a persistent gripe of us
21:26
Speaker 3: on this podcast. But it's like, okay, fine, you know,
21:29
Speaker 3: it's interesting here we are less than two years later
21:32
Speaker 3: and Tucker Carlson has announced he's not he's leaving the
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Speaker 3: Republican Party. I do feel like we are in an
21:37
Speaker 3: era of somebody leaving their party. Used to be a
21:39
Speaker 3: really big deal, right, Jim Jefferts was, you know, leaving
21:42
Speaker 3: the Republicans because he really wanted to preserve the Northeast
21:45
Speaker 3: Interstate dairy Compact. We all have our lines in the sand,
21:48
Speaker 3: and that was his hell to die on Arlen Spector.
21:52
Speaker 3: You know, he stood for principle, the principle that he
21:54
Speaker 3: really wanted to be re elected for another term, and
21:56
Speaker 3: it did not work because he didn't win the Democratic primer.
21:59
Speaker 3: You know, I feel like we're in an era where
22:01
Speaker 3: we see more party flipping. And I think that this
22:03
Speaker 3: is a demonstration, like the irony is that are two parties.
22:07
Speaker 3: As much as I think both of them are too populist,
22:09
Speaker 3: there is a clear ideological divide. They have very different
22:12
Speaker 3: perspectives on the world. They have very different ideas of
22:14
Speaker 3: how the government should run, what it should do, what
22:17
Speaker 3: its priorities ought to be. And if you can find
22:20
Speaker 3: yourself flipping from one to the other, and I guess
22:22
Speaker 3: in Carlson's case it's more.
22:24
Speaker 5: I guess he'd characterize himself as an independent.
22:26
Speaker 3: But I feel like we're in a more erratic era,
22:29
Speaker 3: a less consistent era, one where people are more likely
22:33
Speaker 3: to say I'm out and storm out the door when
22:35
Speaker 3: they don't get their way.
22:37
Speaker 5: Yeah.
22:37
Speaker 3: Again, it's pretty clear that Tucker Carlson is very far
22:40
Speaker 3: from the thinking of the typical Republican. I think he's
22:42
Speaker 3: very far from the thinking of an atypical Republican and
22:45
Speaker 3: so I'm not really going to miss him. But you're
22:47
Speaker 3: right the idea that this is some precursor to some
22:51
Speaker 3: trying to create a third party or independent bid or
22:53
Speaker 3: something that would be particularly ominous for Republican chances, So
22:56
Speaker 3: it's not worth trying to bring him back. I think
22:58
Speaker 3: he's gone way off the deep end, and it's and
23:00
Speaker 3: you know, getting more and more deep end since least
23:03
Speaker 3: the interview with Putin. But even beyond that, he's been
23:05
Speaker 3: very pro irradiant. Remember you know, early on he was
23:07
Speaker 3: saying if we had a war with the RAND, there'd
23:10
Speaker 3: be tens of thousands of American casualties and all that stuff.
23:12
Speaker 5: So, like it's not.
23:13
Speaker 3: Surprising, but it does seem a little bit ominous because
23:16
Speaker 3: you could easily see Tucker saying, oh, because of that,
23:18
Speaker 3: now I'm declaring the Carlson Party, the Swanson instant Breakfast,
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Speaker 3: instant dinner of breakfast, whatever it is he's gonna do.
23:26
Speaker 3: You know, I was gonna say he could do the
23:27
Speaker 3: plaid shirt, but I think Lamar Alexander has that has
23:29
Speaker 3: that copyrighted.
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Speaker 4: Tucker is who he thought he was on that note.
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Speaker 4: But the good news about that last night of the conventions,
23:35
Speaker 4: nobody really remembers what he said because of hul Cogan
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Speaker 5: Speaking for the first time after being shot.
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23:45
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Speaker 4: be complicated. You know, sometimes're like, is that a good martini?
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Speaker 4: But yet the media tries to make it complicated when
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Speaker 5: Jim.
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Speaker 3: Greg I think these folks have completely misunderstood the broken
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Speaker 3: But I think we'll live. I think will be okay.
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Speaker 3: They are not all jobs are created equal.
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Speaker 5: Not all businesses. You know this way.
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Speaker 3: Yes, you know, bad things can create economic activity, but
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Speaker 4: Amazing. When that is a problem, you've run out of
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Speaker 4: So anyway, Jim, good to have you back. See Tomorrow,
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