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1007 - Pop and Bravo with Gibson Johns · Pink Shade: Reality TV with Mary Payne

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  Speaker 1: Hey, everybody, welcome to Pink Shade.
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  Speaker 2: It's Thursday, so that means it's pop and Bravo and
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  Speaker 2: I've got a good friend here to talk about pop
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  Speaker 2: culture and mostly Bravo.
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  Speaker 1: And it's Gibson John's Hey Gibson.
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  Speaker 3: Hey MP, how are you good to be here?
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  Speaker 2: Grea great, so good to see you and your cute face.
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  Speaker 2: You just fresh off the beaches of Nantucket.
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  Speaker 3: I am, I am. We go. There's a family every year.
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  Speaker 3: Very blessed to do that, and uh just roasted for
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  Speaker 3: two weeks. You know, I needed it.
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  Speaker 2: You know, I'm obsessed with Nantucket and I talk about
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  Speaker 2: it all the time, and it didn't happen for me
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  Speaker 2: this year. But Nantucket is on the twenty twenty six
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  Speaker 2: Darcy A.
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  Speaker 3: And when you go, you know that you have I
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  Speaker 3: can do your whole tenerary for you.
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  Speaker 1: That's exactly right. I know, I've got I got my
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  Speaker 1: own Nantucket travel agent.
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  Speaker 3: Yep. Yeah, note free of charge, so.
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  Speaker 1: Oh thank you. I didn't even think you would charge me.
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  Speaker 2: But the pictures were out. Every time we see your
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  Speaker 2: pictures of like the old jeeps and everything. Just because
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  Speaker 2: I read all those books about Nantucket, I'm like oh,
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  Speaker 2: I want to go so bad.
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  Speaker 3: Yeah, it's it's just as like charming and quaint as
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  Speaker 3: it sounds and looks. It's just it's our favor a
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  Speaker 3: place in the world. It really is.
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  Speaker 1: It's just is it crowded though? Is it crowded?
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  Speaker 3: You know? August is much more We go in July.
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  Speaker 3: August is much more crowded, and it is crowded, but
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  Speaker 3: we stay in town, which kind of makes it so
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  Speaker 3: like parking is as much of an issue because like
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  Speaker 3: if you stay out of town, you can drive in
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  Speaker 3: and then find parking. We stay in town and we
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  Speaker 3: walk everywhere, and then you have to drive to the
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  Speaker 3: beach obviously, but it's definitely crowded, but you find ways
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  Speaker 3: to just like we have it. We had sort of
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  Speaker 3: a well oiled machine for us when we go there now,
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  Speaker 3: you know, Yeah, we know when when to make the reservations,
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  Speaker 3: where to go when, and it's just we haven't figured out.
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  Speaker 3: But August it's definitely the most crowded, I think, and
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  Speaker 3: we avoid that if we can.
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  Speaker 2: Yeah, okay, Well, whenever we were thinking about going, it
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  Speaker 2: was going to be like in May, because I was like,
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  Speaker 2: I'm gonna do like May or September.
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  Speaker 1: So the weather's still okay, but it's not zillions of people.
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  Speaker 2: But I also want to make sure things are open
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  Speaker 2: because I know here on Balted Island in the off season,
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  Speaker 2: you know, the hours aren't so consistent.
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  Speaker 3: Yeah, I've heard that September is an amazing time to
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  Speaker 3: be in Nantucket. I've heard that it's like very optimal
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  Speaker 3: because things are open still, but it's there's lots of
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  Speaker 3: a rush obviously, and it's still very nice and warm.
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  Speaker 3: May I think is like a hit or miss in
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  Speaker 3: terms of weather, but it's definitely not as crowded, so
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  Speaker 3: take your pick.
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  Speaker 1: Okay.
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  Speaker 2: Well, when I get around to January twenty twenty sixth,
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  Speaker 2: that's when I start my That's when I start my
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  Speaker 2: planning frenzy, and I'll I'll be waiting.
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  Speaker 3: I'll be waiting for that text message.
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  Speaker 2: Okay, Okay, Gibson, let's talk. Are you following this Kelly
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  Speaker 2: Wolf situation on Instagram?
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  Speaker 3: So okay, So I don't know if you know this,
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  Speaker 3: but I write for E News A couple of days
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  Speaker 3: a week. I write news articles for them. I get
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  Speaker 3: a signed things basically, and I just churn out articles.
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  Speaker 3: And I when that was first happening. I wrote a
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  Speaker 3: few articles about that for them, because I honestly didn't
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  Speaker 3: even really know who they. I was not familiar with them,
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  Speaker 3: but I there was like that Instagram live off for
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  Speaker 3: getting arrested, right.
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  Speaker 1: Or something Richard that was one of them.
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  Speaker 3: Yeah, but I have not kept up with it in
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  Speaker 3: recent weeks. What's the latest in that.
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  Speaker 2: Well, she still does a lot of she still does
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  Speaker 2: a lot of lives. And it's a lot of grandios.
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  Speaker 2: You know, I speak six languages, I have a degree
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  Speaker 2: in nuclear physics and psychology, and this it's a lot
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  Speaker 2: of grandios. Like everybody loves me, nobody's ever not liked me,
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  Speaker 2: and yes I kissed So's husband and she doesn't like
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  Speaker 2: me anymore, but she's only one of ten people in
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  Speaker 2: the world that don't love me. And yesterday I beat
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  Speaker 2: a twenty seven year old in the foot rate and
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  Speaker 2: this week, I mean, you're like.
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  Speaker 1: What, huh huh.
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  Speaker 2: And then she did have the police here in the
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  Speaker 2: last week going with her to her home where she
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  Speaker 2: was trying to get in to get her things. So
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  Speaker 2: now it was where people were commenting under it like
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  Speaker 2: go girl, da da da da. Now twenty thousand people
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  Speaker 2: may watch it, but nobody comments. Nobody ever comments, And
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  Speaker 2: this one where she had the police and was trying
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  Speaker 2: to get into the house, it was like taking the
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  Speaker 2: screens off and like trying to get in the house.
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  Speaker 2: Her son, who's like fifteen sixteen, wrote under it, this
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  Speaker 2: is literally insane, Mom, what are you doing?
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  Speaker 1: And that's hard?
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  Speaker 3: Yeah, that's hard. I feel like that people know not
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  Speaker 3: that's when you know. And also the people not commenting
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  Speaker 3: tells me that like everyone kind of knows. It's probably
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  Speaker 3: like a mental health situation that's happen unfolding, and it's
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  Speaker 3: like you kind of can't look away, but also like
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  Speaker 3: you don't want to say anything like too insensitive or
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  Speaker 3: too like yeah, you know what I mean. Like it's
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  Speaker 3: kind of one of these things where it's like it's
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  Speaker 3: she's putting it out there, right, but.
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  Speaker 1: Like NonStop, non stop, Yeah, like.
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  Speaker 3: What do you what do you actually say?
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  Speaker 2: In response to it, right, today's post, which was probably
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  Speaker 2: one of the least sensical ones, she says a lot
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  Speaker 2: of nonsensical ones, but at least like the grammar is correct.
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  Speaker 1: Today's post that I mean.
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  Speaker 2: When I saw this morning was pretty nonsensical with bad grammar,
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  Speaker 2: and she is again for the second time, calling on
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  Speaker 2: Brad Pitt. Brad Pitt is somebody she calls on. She
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  Speaker 2: hadn't called on him in a few weeks, but she
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  Speaker 2: started calling on him today.
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  Speaker 3: Were they connected in the past, Do we know?
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  Speaker 1: No, she doesn't know.
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  Speaker 3: Okay, So it's not because it's not like, for example,
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  Speaker 3: like with Britney Spears, like she will she'll mention justin Timberlake,
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  Speaker 3: She'll mention Orsina Aguilera, like here and there, but that
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  Speaker 3: those are people there. It's sort of the implication there
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  Speaker 3: is that like she still holds on to some of
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  Speaker 3: these things from the from like twenty years ago or whatever.
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  Speaker 3: But it clearly Kelly Wolf is just sort of grassing
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  Speaker 3: and it's sort of random.
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  Speaker 2: And then another thing she was saying today was like, oh,
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  Speaker 2: I'm just you know, I'm ready to get married again.
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  Speaker 2: Giddy up, who's gonna I don't like to be single?
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  Speaker 2: I mean it was you know, it's like that.
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  Speaker 3: And she just got but didn't she just get divorced from.
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  Speaker 1: And I don't even know if they are divorced actually.
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  Speaker 3: Right, it's like that. It's like that was like a
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  Speaker 3: fresh split I feeling. And now that's dark.
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  Speaker 2: It's it's dark and it's rough, and it's sort of
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  Speaker 2: like I got kicked out of this hotel and I
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  Speaker 2: couldn't believe it. I've been coming here for twenty years,
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  Speaker 2: blah blah blah. And then the next this is my
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  Speaker 2: favorite hotel in the world. They do everything for me there.
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  Speaker 2: They feed me champagne in the morning, and you're like, well,
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  Speaker 2: you just said you got kick huh.
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  Speaker 1: You know.
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  Speaker 2: So it's it's trying to make sense of it and
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  Speaker 2: there's no point, but it is. It is a lot
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  Speaker 2: of This afternoon, I'm going to buy a property because
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  Speaker 2: me and my family we preserve property, so we buy
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  Speaker 2: properties to preserve the land to get them back to
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  Speaker 2: their people. And then the next thing she'll say, I
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  Speaker 2: have twenty three dollars to my name because my husband's
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  Speaker 2: cut me off from all my accounts, but that afternoon
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  Speaker 2: she's going to buy a property.
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  Speaker 1: So it's sort of like yeah.
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  Speaker 3: And then she'll also say like, oh no, like we're
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  Speaker 3: me and the aftergot the guy's name. We're good, Like
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  Speaker 3: we're we're not like, but clearly there at odd's clearly
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  Speaker 3: there's there's they're not good, right.
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  Speaker 2: I believe he is one of the people that have.
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  Speaker 2: She's been on psychiatricals now twice and I think once
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  Speaker 2: was like her family and friends, and then once was him.
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  Speaker 1: And I think the one that.
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  Speaker 2: He did was because we saw a live where she
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  Speaker 2: had her daughter in the car and was like looking
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  Speaker 2: out the front window of the car like into the
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  Speaker 2: woods and was like, we're going camping, and the daughter
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  Speaker 2: was clearly like hiding under a blanket, like don't show me.
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  Speaker 3: It was.
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  Speaker 2: So I think after that was when she had to
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  Speaker 2: get like supervised visitation and stuff like that. All right,
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  Speaker 2: You know, I spend a lot of time on my
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  Speaker 1: It's it's terrible.
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  Speaker 2: But what's interesting is she is a psychiatrist herself.
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  Speaker 3: Oh is she? Yeah?
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  Speaker 2: And she'll say, oh, they said that I'm grandiose, and
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  Speaker 2: I'm this, and they said I'm that, and I'm bipolar,
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  Speaker 2: and I've been called this, and I'm a drug addict.
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  Speaker 1: And da da da da.
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  Speaker 2: She'll say all these things, Oh, this is what they
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  Speaker 2: say about me. But then she talks about herself in
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  Speaker 2: this grandiose fashion and talks about she doesn't do drugs,
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  Speaker 2: only this certain kind of mushroom by this doctor. And
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  Speaker 2: it's just sort of like you can't make heads or
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  Speaker 2: tails of it. But I think I'm watching it to
• 9:55
  Speaker 2: see if it turns out okay, because like for a while,
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  Speaker 2: remember when we watch Katie Ross.
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  Speaker 3: For a while, Yeah, I was that. She came to mind,
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  Speaker 3: for Sureanda Vines comes to mind. Some of the people
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  Speaker 3: who are like sort of sort of in real time
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  Speaker 3: we're documenting these like clearly like mental breaks. But yeah, yeah,
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  Speaker 3: and in some way and in some ways, if you're
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  Speaker 3: like watching it, you're almost like keeping her eye on
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  Speaker 3: her too, you know what I mean. It's like, yes,
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  Speaker 3: you know, any kind of sick way, it's like okay,
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  Speaker 3: but like she's putting it out. She's putting stuff out there,
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  Speaker 3: like if something goes on, like people are going to
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  Speaker 3: know immediately.
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  Speaker 2: You know, people know where she is because she's constantly
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  Speaker 2: posting at all times. She is in real time. And
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  Speaker 2: the Katie Ross thing, though, I was always like, today's
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  Speaker 2: going to be the day she's going to do a
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  Speaker 2: post that says, actually she's been five days sober or what.
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  Speaker 2: And then it did come and she was sober, and
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  Speaker 2: I don't know if she still doesn't know she just
• 10:42
  Speaker 2: said she married somebody, but it did come where she
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  Speaker 2: was like, you know, it's been really hard, I'm today.
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  Speaker 1: Sober, where are were like okay, good. So that's kind of.
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  Speaker 2: What I'm hoping is going to happen with this Kelly
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  Speaker 2: Will thing. There's going to be some kind of redemption
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  Speaker 2: to it.
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  Speaker 3: Yeah. I hope that she stops going live for like
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  Speaker 3: a little bit and then she comes back she's like hey, guys, like, yeah,
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  Speaker 3: I've been at a facility or something, because like I mean,
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  Speaker 3: two psychiatric holds. That's intense. And it's like, yeah, okay,
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  Speaker 3: maybe yeah, maybe they should maybe they should get her
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  Speaker 3: some like more long term help.
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  Speaker 2: But they can't hold her after a certain amount of time,
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  Speaker 2: do you know what I mean? Because there is unless
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  Speaker 2: they fifty and fifty her, unless they fully put her
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  Speaker 2: into her conservatorship, like you can't hold somebody. She just
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  Speaker 2: gets out and walks around town in her cowboy house,
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  Speaker 2: and oh my.
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  Speaker 3: God, I just think about I mean, maybe maybe maybe
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  Speaker 3: it will take something from the kids, you know what
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  Speaker 3: I mean. Then they're they're clearly they're under age, and
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  Speaker 3: it's I feel bad, but like maybe they will get
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  Speaker 3: to her and be like mom, like you really need
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  Speaker 3: to get help, Like this is not normal.
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  Speaker 2: Yeah, I think anything like that has been Like, well,
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  Speaker 2: you don't know, because I'm a therapist and I have
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  Speaker 2: four degrees and I speak six languages and I have.
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  Speaker 3: To do and you're like to get through her, yeah,
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  Speaker 3: hard to get through.
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  Speaker 1: Okay, Now what shows are you watching that are not Bravo?
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  Speaker 3: So I us watch Hunting Wives. We watched that in
• 12:01
  Speaker 3: Nantucky with my family, we ate that ship up.
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  Speaker 2: Okay, but when you watch it with your family, I've heard.
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  Speaker 2: I haven't watched it, but I've heard it's a lot
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  Speaker 2: of sex.
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  Speaker 3: It is a lot of sex. But whatever, like we're grown,
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  Speaker 3: you know what I mean.
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  Speaker 1: Yeah, I would, I would. I'm just very I don't
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  Speaker 1: want to marry.
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  Speaker 3: It's very over the top and soapy and like it
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  Speaker 3: knows it's ridiculous and it leans into it and like
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  Speaker 3: we were laughing along, we were all s rivetted. It
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  Speaker 3: was just like kind of the perfect sort of soapy
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  Speaker 3: show for me. Yeah, and I don't normally watch like
• 12:31
  Speaker 3: the really big Netflix, like you know, fictional shows, but
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  Speaker 3: this one just I love Malan Ackerman and Britney Snow,
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  Speaker 3: the two leads of the show. They're great, and it's
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  Speaker 3: just it's like and also, there's not enough sex on
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  Speaker 3: TV anymore. Like it's it's it's good sexy. It's good
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  Speaker 3: sexy to me. I just finished watching that. I watched
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  Speaker 3: season two. I think it's called Bright, Happy Shiny People
• 12:57
  Speaker 3: or Bright Shiny People. The first season was about the
• 12:59
  Speaker 3: Duggers and sort of the yeah, yeah, they were the
• 13:03
  Speaker 3: cult thing. They were a part of yeah, and there's
• 13:04
  Speaker 3: a new second season of that. It's just three episodes.
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  Speaker 3: It's about this thing called teen Mania, which is like
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  Speaker 3: basically this like kind of this Christian group for young
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  Speaker 3: people that was in the nineties and it was huge.
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  Speaker 3: They have like thousands, thousand person conventions, like these huge events,
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  Speaker 3: and they like recruited all these young people.
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  Speaker 1: To like it wasn't called teen Mania.
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  Speaker 3: It was called teen Mania. And then there was these
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  Speaker 3: there were the events were called like Acquire the Fire,
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  Speaker 3: I want to say, and they like they made them
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  Speaker 3: look like super cool. It was basically like an antidote
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  Speaker 3: to or like a direct reaction to MTV and MTV
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  Speaker 3: culture and like how that was sort of like poisoning
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  Speaker 3: the minds of teens and so like these kids would
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  Speaker 3: grow up in these churches and be told that MTV
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  Speaker 3: like they would basically they would ask their parents to
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  Speaker 3: like take to MTV off their TV because they were
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  Speaker 3: so scared of it. That was how they and so
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  Speaker 3: it was basically a direct reaction to that. Then there
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  Speaker 3: was like this university they could like after they ground
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  Speaker 3: from high school, they could like forego college and go
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  Speaker 3: to this training center place and they it was basically
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  Speaker 3: like unpaid labor. They paid go to this place to
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  Speaker 3: learn kind of it was under the guise of like
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  Speaker 3: mission trips and like helping to be like sort of
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  Speaker 3: training to be like a really good, like kind of
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  Speaker 3: accolade in that way. But then they basically were just
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  Speaker 3: there and they would like pay to be able to
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  Speaker 3: like be part of a call center or do manual
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  Speaker 3: labor or whatever. And it was kind of this whole
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  Speaker 3: build up thing. So it was three episodes. Very interesting.
• 14:32
  Speaker 3: I love like a coal Tea Me Too series, so
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  Speaker 3: that's a good one. It was the first one was
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  Speaker 3: about the Douggers and so it's sort of like like
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  Speaker 3: tangentially related. Yeah, yeah, yeah, so same idea. Just finish
• 14:43
  Speaker 3: that the other day, which was okay, yeah, all.
• 14:45
  Speaker 2: Right, I don't have time to watch anything right now
• 14:48
  Speaker 2: because I'm covering so many shows. And one show we
• 14:51
  Speaker 2: were recovering Match Me Abroad. I thought it was six episodes,
• 14:54
  Speaker 2: but it's fourteen, so I was.
• 14:56
  Speaker 1: Like, well, crap, and now we're always you know, we're
• 14:59
  Speaker 1: in it. We can't like quit.
• 15:00
  Speaker 2: So that and now covering the Valley uh episodically and
• 15:04
  Speaker 2: thank the Lord, that's almost over.
• 15:07
  Speaker 1: That I'll take.
• 15:08
  Speaker 2: But then Love is Blind UK is coming in and
• 15:10
  Speaker 2: we're covering that we covered.
• 15:13
  Speaker 3: And season one was so good. I love of Love
• 15:16
  Speaker 3: is Blind UK. The last season was, and so I'm
• 15:18
  Speaker 3: I'm hoping this one can be as good. God, Love
• 15:21
  Speaker 3: is Blind is such an undertaking. It really is.
• 15:24
  Speaker 2: It is an undertaking. And then so when they dropped
• 15:27
  Speaker 2: the four, you know, I get the screeners to the
• 15:29
  Speaker 2: four ahead of times, so I have to record pre
• 15:31
  Speaker 2: record four episodes when I'm already this. I told my
• 15:35
  Speaker 2: family we were coming to the beach this week. I said,
• 15:37
  Speaker 2: this week I have to record eleven episodes. And they're like,
• 15:40
  Speaker 2: we're at the beach. I go, Love is Blind stops
• 15:43
  Speaker 2: for no one.
• 15:44
  Speaker 3: Yeah, yeah, I said.
• 15:46
  Speaker 1: I'm sorry.
• 15:47
  Speaker 2: I'm sorry, but I will be glad when the Valley
• 15:49
  Speaker 2: is off my plates.
• 15:52
  Speaker 3: It's a light Bravo month, which is kind of which
• 15:53
  Speaker 3: is kind of nice because it's been it's been a lot,
• 15:56
  Speaker 3: Like it's just it's really just O C Miami to
• 16:00
  Speaker 3: the Valley ends for a little bit here.
• 16:02
  Speaker 2: Do you know when Salt Lake is coming back? Because
• 16:04
  Speaker 2: we've seen some some trailers and some previous.
• 16:06
  Speaker 3: Yeah, I feel like it must be like mid Septembers.
• 16:10
  Speaker 3: My guests like early, Okay, I gotta be my guess.
• 16:14
  Speaker 1: Maybe they'll give me screeners. They did give me salt
• 16:16
  Speaker 1: like screeners last year.
• 16:19
  Speaker 3: Maybe something is.
• 16:22
  Speaker 1: Okay, because you know, I have to beg every time.
• 16:24
  Speaker 2: And I did ask for The Valley and was like, look,
• 16:27
  Speaker 2: I'm covering it episode by episode and I would love
• 16:29
  Speaker 2: to get it on and they were like nope. And
• 16:31
  Speaker 2: then I asked another time just if I could get
• 16:33
  Speaker 2: one one episode early because I was traveling, and they
• 16:35
  Speaker 2: were like no, It's like, okay, Well, I.
• 16:38
  Speaker 3: Think it depends on that. I think it really depends
• 16:40
  Speaker 3: on the show, honestly, because I don't know. I don't
• 16:42
  Speaker 3: really it's there's no kind of no rhyme or reason.
• 16:45
  Speaker 3: I don't think I get the Valley screeners. I get
• 16:47
  Speaker 3: OC and Miami. I want to say, right now, it
• 16:51
  Speaker 3: goes in and out of what they of what they give.
• 16:53
  Speaker 2: Yeah, so I know, well, I just I've decided I
• 16:56
  Speaker 2: just continue to lower myself and beg.
• 16:58
  Speaker 3: And then I said, there's no shame in the game.
• 17:02
  Speaker 3: Whatever it takes, whatever it happens. Now.
• 17:07
  Speaker 2: Speaking of The Valley thoughts, so what we were thinking
• 17:13
  Speaker 2: we were watching it was something happened during this Renie
• 17:15
  Speaker 2: to say, Okay, absolutely, we're going to fire him, Like
• 17:18
  Speaker 2: we weren't thinking we're going to fire him, but now
• 17:19
  Speaker 2: we're going to fire him, you know.
• 17:20
  Speaker 1: So we're kind of like, what was it?
• 17:22
  Speaker 2: Well, in episode one, you know, all the other stuff
• 17:25
  Speaker 2: we knew about breaking the furniture and the raging out
• 17:27
  Speaker 2: and all that all along. I mean, we on my show,
• 17:30
  Speaker 2: and I'm sure many other people in the world thought
• 17:33
  Speaker 2: something physically happened that they're just not saying, but you know,
• 17:37
  Speaker 2: domestic violence between the two of them. That wasn't the
• 17:39
  Speaker 2: coffee table, which was bad enough. And so finally she
• 17:44
  Speaker 2: did say, well, you know, you threw me into the
• 17:45
  Speaker 2: bushes and no I didn't. And they're all, literally every
• 17:48
  Speaker 2: single person was like, we've seen the ring footage. If
• 17:52
  Speaker 2: you love cameras so much, you should know that it's recorded, right,
• 17:56
  Speaker 2: So that was the first thing that he said, and.
• 17:58
  Speaker 1: I was like, Okay, I don't know if now.
• 17:59
  Speaker 2: That's been said, if they can get past that.
• 18:03
  Speaker 1: And then this week he said.
• 18:08
  Speaker 2: Towards the end, he sort of was doing the whole
• 18:11
  Speaker 2: like my show, my show, I mean, we'd seen them
• 18:14
  Speaker 2: already do it that time when he said my show
• 18:16
  Speaker 2: until Zack said wasn't for the last month, which was hilarious.
• 18:19
  Speaker 2: And then we saw the preview for the coming week
• 18:23
  Speaker 2: where he said where they said, you told us that
• 18:27
  Speaker 2: you fired everybody on the show because they got a
• 18:29
  Speaker 2: better edit than you. He's like, what, I don't have
• 18:31
  Speaker 2: that power, and they all go, we know. So I
• 18:35
  Speaker 2: was like, okay, so that's another thing he did. He's
• 18:37
  Speaker 2: once again trying to say it's his show and he
• 18:39
  Speaker 2: has editing power.
• 18:41
  Speaker 3: Right totally, No, I I I think it has a
• 18:45
  Speaker 3: lot to do with the rosebush thing. And it's like,
• 18:48
  Speaker 3: if you think about it, like they easily could have
• 18:49
  Speaker 3: edited that out. They clearly didn't want to harp on
• 18:52
  Speaker 3: it because there was no follow up to that, which
• 18:54
  Speaker 3: was kind of shocking, Like it kind of lands like
• 18:57
  Speaker 3: a thud if you're if that reveal is going to
• 18:59
  Speaker 3: happen and we're not going to follow up on that,
• 19:01
  Speaker 3: like you put you were pushing her into a bush,
• 19:04
  Speaker 3: and like, also, it's like that's one incident that was
• 19:06
  Speaker 3: caught on camera. How were there other incidents that we
• 19:09
  Speaker 3: don't know about? You know what I mean?
• 19:10
  Speaker 2: Because she's really been trying to protect him to protect
• 19:14
  Speaker 2: because they both earn money.
• 19:15
  Speaker 1: You know, Yeah, I.
• 19:15
  Speaker 3: Think so too. And I also like there's obviously an
• 19:17
  Speaker 3: element of like, yeah, I think Britney's sort of dealings,
• 19:22
  Speaker 3: she's reflecting on everything that she's been through with Jacks,
• 19:24
  Speaker 3: and I think that that is something that she had
• 19:26
  Speaker 3: confided into her friends with And I'm so curious if
• 19:29
  Speaker 3: there are other things like that, because with this group,
• 19:32
  Speaker 3: I feel like, in particular, there's a lot of like
• 19:37
  Speaker 3: we know things they know about that's like are we
• 19:39
  Speaker 3: going to bring that up now? You know? Are we
• 19:41
  Speaker 3: gonna you know, like that happened a lot with Janet,
• 19:43
  Speaker 3: that happened with Jasmine and Zach. There were sort of
• 19:45
  Speaker 3: a side thing that happened on this past reunion where
• 19:47
  Speaker 3: she was like he said, or she said, like go there,
• 19:50
  Speaker 3: you know, like oh.
• 19:51
  Speaker 1: She said, she said, don't stop go there.
• 19:53
  Speaker 3: Yeah. Yeah. I was like, there's I think there's a
• 19:55
  Speaker 3: lot of it like go where, go where? Yeah, And
• 19:57
  Speaker 3: they've all known about the spring Foots. They didn't bring
• 19:59
  Speaker 3: it up this season, and you know, because there was
• 20:00
  Speaker 3: clearly enough to incriminate Jack's at that point in my opinion,
• 20:06
  Speaker 3: but Brittany brought it up herself all.
• 20:08
  Speaker 1: Right, y'all, it's summer.
• 20:10
  Speaker 2: I really love to have people over and I love
• 20:12
  Speaker 2: to get out all of my fun serving dishes, and
• 20:14
  Speaker 2: I also love a string light and a full barbecue vibe.
• 20:17
  Speaker 2: I also love an outdoor game like croquet or cornhole.
• 20:20
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• 20:27
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• 20:29
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• 20:32
  Speaker 2: like you know, navy blue. I got the cutest outdoor
• 20:35
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• 20:38
  Speaker 2: Adirondack chairs and a couple of bench cushions, because you know,
• 20:41
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• 21:27
  Speaker 2: think they are going to bring up the season finale party,
• 21:31
  Speaker 2: Michelle's Zenn party where he was so clearly on something. Mmm,
• 21:38
  Speaker 2: I hope so vodcast he was ordering straight vodka, right,
• 21:43
  Speaker 2: I mean.
• 21:43
  Speaker 3: I I hope that Joax gets everything that's coming for him,
• 21:47
  Speaker 3: Like I think that they're like it's he just can't
• 21:49
  Speaker 3: feel like any of this this behavior is rewarded at
• 21:51
  Speaker 3: all or he is going to be kept secret at all.
• 21:53
  Speaker 3: Like what what are you protecting at this point? You know?
• 21:56
  Speaker 3: And Yeah, the steroids thing interesting because I feel like
• 22:00
  Speaker 3: that wasn't really part of the conversation until this reunion.
• 22:03
  Speaker 3: I want to say, like, I.
• 22:04
  Speaker 1: Don't why did no follow up on that either?
• 22:06
  Speaker 3: Yeah, And I'm also like that roid rage is the
• 22:10
  Speaker 3: thing that people that we've known about for a very
• 22:11
  Speaker 3: long time in general, and like that could explain or
• 22:14
  Speaker 3: that that could be fueling some of the anger that
• 22:17
  Speaker 3: we see in him or that we've heard about from him.
• 22:19
  Speaker 3: And I would love to explore that more because I
• 22:21
  Speaker 3: don't that feels like something we don't talk about on
• 22:24
  Speaker 3: these shows very often at all. And if he's if
• 22:27
  Speaker 3: that's part of this equation with him, like I'd like
• 22:29
  Speaker 3: to go there. I want to know. I actually want
• 22:31
  Speaker 3: to know more about that. And I want to, you know,
• 22:33
  Speaker 3: because we talk about the cocaine a lot with him,
• 22:35
  Speaker 3: and he talked about on this part of the union
• 22:37
  Speaker 3: as well. But like the steroids is an untapped thing.
• 22:40
  Speaker 3: I feel like.
• 22:43
  Speaker 2: When she said, are you a say a Roways and
• 22:45
  Speaker 2: he said, no, I'm not. Now we remember back on
• 22:47
  Speaker 2: Vader pump roles when Dassi would get mad at him
• 22:49
  Speaker 2: because he's always using that protein powder yeahtuff, and she
• 22:53
  Speaker 2: was mad. And when I tell you that, when you
• 22:55
  Speaker 2: see him on the show, and then if you watch
• 22:57
  Speaker 2: the after show, he is so huge his it's his
• 23:01
  Speaker 2: shirt is straining like he's huge on the reunion.
• 23:05
  Speaker 3: His jacket barely fits on the reunion. And that's not
• 23:08
  Speaker 3: like that's not like a shaming thing. It's just sort
• 23:12
  Speaker 3: of like his clothes don't fit him like that, like
• 23:14
  Speaker 3: he has bulked, he has bull bolt.
• 23:17
  Speaker 2: He said he gained thirty pounds. I think because Gana
• 23:19
  Speaker 2: said she lost seventy pounds. He was like, oh, I
• 23:21
  Speaker 2: gained thirty pounds. But it's like he's not fat, it's
• 23:24
  Speaker 2: and we know he said, you know, we had an
• 23:26
  Speaker 2: app at one point, at some point.
• 23:27
  Speaker 3: You know it's muscle. It's a blow. It's muscle blow.
• 23:29
  Speaker 2: Basically, yeah, well, you know, so many great points were made,
• 23:36
  Speaker 2: and I really like this pregnant, calm Kristen, you know,
• 23:40
  Speaker 2: who's just sort of like to him, calmly, and she's like,
• 23:43
  Speaker 2: why can't you look her in the eye? And she's
• 23:46
  Speaker 2: every she's like, why can't you lean on if you're
• 23:48
  Speaker 2: you need to go to a therapist to find three
• 23:50
  Speaker 2: things you can do before you rage out and text
• 23:52
  Speaker 2: somebody like she's trying to help him. And so Kisha,
• 23:56
  Speaker 2: who I record with, has never watched vander pump roles
• 23:58
  Speaker 2: at all. So she's coming in the valley just fresh,
• 24:01
  Speaker 2: and I was like, I wish the one every time
• 24:03
  Speaker 2: christ is trying to help him. What I really want
• 24:05
  Speaker 2: you to remember is these two banged when they were
• 24:08
  Speaker 2: in a very close friend group and they were they
• 24:11
  Speaker 2: were best friends, and they all banged each other.
• 24:13
  Speaker 1: I was like, so they these people have history, yeah, history.
• 24:15
  Speaker 3: Yeah, and she had. She has full license in my
• 24:19
  Speaker 3: from my point of view, to say whatever the fuck
• 24:21
  Speaker 3: she wants to him, you know what I mean. She
• 24:23
  Speaker 3: can check him, she can take him down a peg.
• 24:25
  Speaker 3: She can, I think Kristen Yea, more so than anybody
• 24:30
  Speaker 3: other than Brittany, can say whatever the fuck she wants
• 24:32
  Speaker 3: to Jacks.
• 24:33
  Speaker 2: I do love it whenever Zach just chimes in from
• 24:36
  Speaker 2: the end of the couch. I said, what we needed
• 24:38
  Speaker 2: was his little face in the corner of the screen
• 24:41
  Speaker 2: like a commentator yet all times, because he would be like,
• 24:44
  Speaker 2: I fucking hate you? Or does anybody believe.
• 24:48
  Speaker 3: Like the People's couch, like built into the Valley Reunion, He's.
• 24:52
  Speaker 1: Just like, why does anybody believe him? It's just uh.
• 24:55
  Speaker 2: And I felt bad because Jasmine has like no storyline,
• 24:58
  Speaker 2: you know, And I don't know if they're I don't
• 25:00
  Speaker 2: think they'll get rid of her because I think she's
• 25:02
  Speaker 2: just a part of their friend group.
• 25:03
  Speaker 3: But I.
• 25:06
  Speaker 2: Zach has made himself more of a main character, and
• 25:10
  Speaker 2: it's not her fault. She doesn't have a storyline, but
• 25:12
  Speaker 2: like she's got to get something going for next season
• 25:13
  Speaker 2: if she wants to stay on.
• 25:15
  Speaker 3: You know, yeah, I totally agree, And it's I think
• 25:18
  Speaker 3: with Jasmine, there's been this weird thing this season of
• 25:20
  Speaker 3: like she had this experience with Danny, and I felt
• 25:24
  Speaker 3: as though for a while there on the season that
• 25:27
  Speaker 3: story was sort of being told for her in a way,
• 25:30
  Speaker 3: you know what I mean, Like it wasn't. She finally
• 25:32
  Speaker 3: got a couple of moments to tell that and to
• 25:34
  Speaker 3: share her perspective, But like that was after a while
• 25:37
  Speaker 3: of like other people talking about that a lot, like
• 25:39
  Speaker 3: kind of on her behalf. So that and that was
• 25:43
  Speaker 3: kind of the biggest thing she had going this season.
• 25:45
  Speaker 3: You know, we had a we had a little peek
• 25:46
  Speaker 3: into her relationship with with her fiance, but like that's
• 25:50
  Speaker 3: pretty much it or her I forget are they are
• 25:53
  Speaker 3: they engaged or they're engaged? They're engaged, right, They're engaged.
• 25:57
  Speaker 3: So maybe we get more of her relationship next year.
• 26:00
  Speaker 3: And I think that her fiance seems like a nice woman.
• 26:02
  Speaker 3: She doesn't seem like particularly like made for reality TV necessarily,
• 26:10
  Speaker 3: But I do think that they need to find something
• 26:13
  Speaker 3: more for Jasmine to do that's beyond this thing with
• 26:17
  Speaker 3: Danny for sure.
• 26:18
  Speaker 2: Yeah, and it was stupid, like she showed Danny and
• 26:21
  Speaker 2: Nia a house that was smaller than their apartment. I
• 26:23
  Speaker 2: was like, what are we doing?
• 26:25
  Speaker 3: Yeah? I also and I will say though, like what
• 26:27
  Speaker 3: encourages me about her is like when she did have
• 26:30
  Speaker 3: that sit down with Danny and Andy kind of gave
• 26:32
  Speaker 3: her props for this as well on the reunion, as
• 26:33
  Speaker 3: like she presented her point of view extremely well and
• 26:37
  Speaker 3: extremely clearly, and it was it is a point of
• 26:40
  Speaker 3: view that's not represented very many other places on Bravo,
• 26:43
  Speaker 3: and so like it's just inherently in that idea, like
• 26:49
  Speaker 3: Jasmine's worth having around, but they just need to like
• 26:51
  Speaker 3: figure out a way to like really kind of bolster
• 26:54
  Speaker 3: that because she has past reality to be experienced. She
• 26:57
  Speaker 3: was on the Bachelor, so it's like she knows how
• 26:59
  Speaker 3: this all works, but she hasn't. She hasn't she hasn't
• 27:02
  Speaker 3: felt completely comfortable yet in my opinion.
• 27:05
  Speaker 2: I can't remember what show I heard it on, but
• 27:06
  Speaker 2: somebody else said she was on the Bachelor and she
• 27:09
  Speaker 2: was on something else, and I was like, she spilled.
• 27:11
  Speaker 3: To was a bachelor in paradise. Maybe I don't know.
• 27:13
  Speaker 1: Maybe I don't know. I was like, wow, look at her.
• 27:16
  Speaker 2: Yeah, well all right. So do you think Jacks did
• 27:22
  Speaker 2: leave his bar on his own volition or it was
• 27:24
  Speaker 2: like his contract was up and they didn't renew it.
• 27:27
  Speaker 2: And then he's trying to say he's working on his
• 27:29
  Speaker 2: mental health because he wants to get this job back.
• 27:32
  Speaker 3: There's no way he left on his own volition.
• 27:35
  Speaker 1: What's he gonna do with all that merch?
• 27:37
  Speaker 3: Yeah, what the merch? He needs the money. That's that's
• 27:41
  Speaker 3: the point of pride, you know what I mean? I mean,
• 27:43
  Speaker 3: does I always come back to the fact that first
• 27:46
  Speaker 3: season of The Valley he made some comment to Schwartz
• 27:49
  Speaker 3: of like, you know, everybody says when you open a bar,
• 27:52
  Speaker 3: a restaurant, you're gonna you're gonna get divorced, But fuck it,
• 27:57
  Speaker 3: I'm so like he basically was like, yeah, fuck it,
• 27:58
  Speaker 3: I'm still gonna open it. Well a year later, look
• 28:02
  Speaker 3: look where your marriage is. No.
• 28:04
  Speaker 2: I believe he said that a lot. He said about
• 28:07
  Speaker 2: Tom Sandoval. He was like, yeah, I mean, you know,
• 28:10
  Speaker 2: when he when the scandalval was going on, Jackson sort
• 28:12
  Speaker 2: of making the rounds on shows and podcasts and stuff,
• 28:15
  Speaker 2: and I think it was on Juicy's goop.
• 28:17
  Speaker 1: He said, Yeah.
• 28:18
  Speaker 2: I mean I told Sandival, like, you're doing the two
• 28:20
  Speaker 2: things that will kill your relationship, open a restaurant and
• 28:23
  Speaker 2: being a rock band. Those are the two things that'll
• 28:25
  Speaker 2: kill your relationship. And there he's doing one of them.
• 28:28
  Speaker 2: And you know, if he started a rock band, it
• 28:30
  Speaker 2: wouldn't surprise me either.
• 28:31
  Speaker 3: Oh my god. I mean, at this point, it's like
• 28:33
  Speaker 3: he doesn't have the show, he doesn't have the bar,
• 28:37
  Speaker 3: his cameo. You know, what's he gonna do?
• 28:39
  Speaker 1: Yeah, I guess cameo.
• 28:41
  Speaker 2: I guess he could like lower his price a little
• 28:42
  Speaker 2: bit and do it them involved.
• 28:44
  Speaker 1: You know, hey, Mary Paynt.
• 28:45
  Speaker 3: He could be he could go back to his other
• 28:47
  Speaker 3: dream job of being a social media manager for a
• 28:49
  Speaker 3: regional hockey team in Florida.
• 28:51
  Speaker 2: Remember that's right, that's that's a job that was never
• 28:54
  Speaker 2: a true So yeah, yeah, he's so great at social media.
• 29:00
  Speaker 2: Spelling is always so on point and he never messes
• 29:03
  Speaker 2: that up at all, so that yes, he's wanted to.
• 29:05
  Speaker 1: Look for it.
• 29:06
  Speaker 3: And he doesn't have any burner accounts like Jack's Taylor fans.
• 29:10
  Speaker 1: You know, he's a legend, so Denise Richards.
• 29:15
  Speaker 2: Okay, so this is speaking of dark this is also
• 29:18
  Speaker 2: getting darker. I think generally people of the world in
• 29:24
  Speaker 2: general can agree that we believe Denise and we don't
• 29:27
  Speaker 2: believe Aaron.
• 29:29
  Speaker 3: Yeah. I believe Denise on the physical situation, in the
• 29:35
  Speaker 3: abuse situation. I absolutely believe that. I don't think she's
• 29:37
  Speaker 3: like making up the fact that she has black eyes,
• 29:39
  Speaker 3: Like there are photos. Yeah, and she pointed to that
• 29:42
  Speaker 3: time when she was on her red carpet and she
• 29:44
  Speaker 3: had her brutal she had forgotten to hide the bruise
• 29:46
  Speaker 3: on her arms. Like they're clearly like that was happening.
• 29:49
  Speaker 3: That's very clear to me. I think one thing I
• 29:52
  Speaker 3: do believe Aaron on is that she was having an
• 29:53
  Speaker 3: affair with this guy from Special Forces.
• 29:56
  Speaker 1: Yeah, that's probably true.
• 29:57
  Speaker 3: Yeah, likely. I don't think he made I don't think
• 29:59
  Speaker 3: he made that up. And he did, but like now
• 30:01
  Speaker 3: he's out here, like he gave all those photos of
• 30:03
  Speaker 3: their text messages to the Daily Mail, and like that
• 30:07
  Speaker 3: feels icky to me, like just like kind of texting
• 30:10
  Speaker 3: them to the Daily Mail editors that fields. Yeah, so
• 30:14
  Speaker 3: he's trying to play them. He's trying to play the
• 30:16
  Speaker 3: media game as is she. But he's not gonna I
• 30:19
  Speaker 3: don't think he's ever gonna really convince me to be
• 30:21
  Speaker 3: on his side, you know. I'm mean, I'm team Denise
• 30:24
  Speaker 3: in this.
• 30:25
  Speaker 2: Yeah, there was something that came out in the last
• 30:26
  Speaker 2: couple of days about her going over to one of
• 30:28
  Speaker 2: the homes that she owns and to get her dogs,
• 30:33
  Speaker 2: and that his parents were afraid of her, and that
• 30:36
  Speaker 2: she found out that she found out that he put
• 30:40
  Speaker 2: down one of her dogs without asking her.
• 30:43
  Speaker 3: I mean that see yet, No, that.
• 30:47
  Speaker 2: That was one of the reasons she went over there
• 30:48
  Speaker 2: to get the dogs was because she found out that
• 30:51
  Speaker 2: he put down.
• 30:52
  Speaker 3: One of the dogs. The fuck.
• 30:55
  Speaker 1: Maybe that dog was really sick and it was time.
• 30:56
  Speaker 3: But it doesn't matter.
• 30:57
  Speaker 2: Doesn't you let that You let her know the dog
• 31:00
  Speaker 2: is really sick And I'm taking.
• 31:01
  Speaker 3: Oh, oh my god, that is that's insane.
• 31:05
  Speaker 2: Yeah, and so that's why she went over there, even
• 31:08
  Speaker 2: though she's not supposed to go over there. Yeah, she's
• 31:11
  Speaker 2: not supposed to go over there, but she owns the homes,
• 31:14
  Speaker 2: and she went to.
• 31:15
  Speaker 1: Get her other dog for fear of what would happen.
• 31:18
  Speaker 3: Of course, Oh my god, that's disgusting and I totally
• 31:20
  Speaker 3: believe he would do something like that. There there's always
• 31:23
  Speaker 3: something in there, you know, with him, and like, yes,
• 31:29
  Speaker 3: like that a flip could switch with him, and we all,
• 31:31
  Speaker 3: I mean we don't rehash it, but we all know
• 31:33
  Speaker 3: the scene from from when he was on the show,
• 31:35
  Speaker 3: and like it's just, yes, none of none of this
• 31:38
  Speaker 3: is surprising me. Yeah, but it does make me sad.
• 31:41
  Speaker 2: It makes me sad too, But I mean he seems
• 31:44
  Speaker 2: to be sort of a conspiracy theorist and people are
• 31:46
  Speaker 2: following me and you don't know anything about pharmaceuticals. And
• 31:50
  Speaker 2: it was interesting when she had her her once he's
• 31:53
  Speaker 2: in Denise and the wild Thing show. She was saying,
• 31:55
  Speaker 2: like she goes to get Boto because only twice a year.
• 31:57
  Speaker 2: She's sort of afraid of, you know, plus and surgery stuff.
• 32:00
  Speaker 2: And I was like, I can't imagine Aaron would let you.
• 32:04
  Speaker 1: Gets but tucks at all.
• 32:06
  Speaker 2: I know, it seems like that would be such poison.
• 32:08
  Speaker 2: He won't even let you take an.
• 32:09
  Speaker 3: Advil yet, such a good point.
• 32:13
  Speaker 1: I was like, that's interesting.
• 32:15
  Speaker 2: Well, anyway that's going to play out and it's going
• 32:18
  Speaker 2: to be messy, and I will tell you I just
• 32:20
  Speaker 2: listened to Emily D. Baker podcast and she did a
• 32:24
  Speaker 2: whole section on this, the back and forth between the
• 32:28
  Speaker 2: two of them, and from a law standpoint, it was
• 32:31
  Speaker 2: pretty interesting. Yeah, and his her whole thing was him
• 32:37
  Speaker 2: releasing nude photos and stuff from her computer that he took.
• 32:41
  Speaker 2: You know, that's that's California has the strictest revenge porns.
• 32:46
  Speaker 2: It doesn't matter if it was for public consumption to
• 32:49
  Speaker 2: go and only vans where people were paying for it.
• 32:51
  Speaker 2: If it's like unreleased stuff and he took it off
• 32:53
  Speaker 2: her computer and was posting it, then he's in like
• 32:56
  Speaker 2: more trouble than you can even imagine, which he did
• 32:58
  Speaker 2: that too.
• 32:59
  Speaker 3: And yeah, I mean, so I was shocked at some
• 33:02
  Speaker 3: of the stuff that we're in those photos from. Not
• 33:04
  Speaker 3: shocked because she sent them to somebody really, but more
• 33:06
  Speaker 3: shocked that he took pictures of them and sent and
• 33:09
  Speaker 3: put them in the media like that was But see, that's.
• 33:12
  Speaker 1: Where you get in trouble.
• 33:13
  Speaker 2: That's the whole thing with like Thomsonvaul and Oriana and
• 33:16
  Speaker 2: her taking the video of Raquel even though tom had
• 33:20
  Speaker 2: taken the video. It's like two people took I mean,
• 33:22
  Speaker 2: you know, it's just like, yeah, I'm gonna tell you something.
• 33:24
  Speaker 2: I think we need to all go back into the
• 33:25
  Speaker 2: dark ages, no phones, no texting, just just see somebody
• 33:28
  Speaker 2: and say something in person. That's probably a good idea,
• 33:33
  Speaker 2: but on these shows, because listen, we're still at Miami.
• 33:38
  Speaker 2: We've got the same thing happening in Miami with Gerty
• 33:42
  Speaker 2: putting out the text message, which.
• 33:44
  Speaker 1: Yeah, what are the text messages even say?
• 33:46
  Speaker 2: Is it just like thanks for coming on the boat
• 33:48
  Speaker 2: with me and why didn't I have a seat and
• 33:50
  Speaker 2: he had cancer?
• 33:51
  Speaker 3: Actually I interviewed Gerty last week, and Okay, in her mind,
• 33:56
  Speaker 3: like the contents of the texts weren't really the issue
• 34:02
  Speaker 3: necess like the it didn't really matter what it basically
• 34:04
  Speaker 3: it was proven. I guess her point from like whatever,
• 34:06
  Speaker 3: the cruise thing, which I don't even really care about.
• 34:08
  Speaker 3: I think it's a way too convoluted and old, Like
• 34:10
  Speaker 3: it's literally from the end of twenty thirteen, like let's
• 34:12
  Speaker 3: move forward, you know what I mean?
• 34:13
  Speaker 1: No, not twenty thirteen, twenty twenty.
• 34:15
  Speaker 3: Three, sorry, twenty twenty three, yeah, because I was like, what, wow,
• 34:20
  Speaker 3: twenty twenty three, I'm not yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, But
• 34:24
  Speaker 3: she was basically like yeah, like it was wrong place,
• 34:27
  Speaker 3: wrong time, but she she activated me and I just
• 34:32
  Speaker 3: needed to show that I was I was right and
• 34:34
  Speaker 3: didn't whether it weren't like incriminating necessarily, that has proved
• 34:37
  Speaker 3: her point about whatever this cruise thing was, which nobody
• 34:40
  Speaker 3: really cares about.
• 34:41
  Speaker 2: Right, So yeah, I will say that last week I
• 34:45
  Speaker 2: talked to tests and brooke a psycho legal pop about
• 34:50
  Speaker 2: what was.
• 34:50
  Speaker 1: Going on in Miami, and one hundred maybe ten people.
• 34:55
  Speaker 2: I was gonna say hundreds maybe ten people, but several
• 34:57
  Speaker 2: people wrote me, and somebody.
• 34:58
  Speaker 1: Even wrote me today.
• 35:00
  Speaker 2: I was like, I just listened to it, and you
• 35:01
  Speaker 2: forgot to mention that Julia threw the glass of water
• 35:05
  Speaker 2: at Gerty.
• 35:05
  Speaker 1: And I did.
• 35:06
  Speaker 2: I forgot to mention that because I was like, I
• 35:07
  Speaker 2: don't quite even understand where the fight came from. Like
• 35:10
  Speaker 2: I understand like you didn't sit me at the right
• 35:12
  Speaker 2: table at an event, or if Martina couldn't come one,
• 35:15
  Speaker 2: I couldn't be interested. I get all of that, but
• 35:18
  Speaker 2: I did forget forget about the water throwing.
• 35:20
  Speaker 3: Yeah, it's all about the water. It's all about the
• 35:22
  Speaker 3: water splash. And then also there is the whole thing
• 35:24
  Speaker 3: about the zoom of her Gertie not signing off to
• 35:27
  Speaker 3: the zoom about her sharing the adoption news, but it
• 35:30
  Speaker 3: is all about the water splash and her.
• 35:33
  Speaker 1: Which was weird and out of the blue.
• 35:35
  Speaker 3: Weird out of the blue performative. And then Gerty also
• 35:38
  Speaker 3: told me that she thinks that Julia was sort of
• 35:40
  Speaker 3: like working over time between seasons to like get people
• 35:43
  Speaker 3: to kind of to like kind of build up her
• 35:46
  Speaker 3: alliances in the group with like Alexia and Marisol just
• 35:50
  Speaker 3: to sort of bolster her side of whatever they had
• 35:53
  Speaker 3: going on or brewing. And so I just think that
• 35:57
  Speaker 3: Julia is sort of overplaying her hand in like and
• 36:01
  Speaker 3: trying to sort of establish power for herself on this
• 36:04
  Speaker 3: cast and on the show. And it's not it's just
• 36:08
  Speaker 3: not it's not authentic. It's not landing for me. And
• 36:13
  Speaker 3: she's to me, she's like pretty unrecognizable from the person
• 36:15
  Speaker 3: she was three years ago when she was milking goats
• 36:18
  Speaker 3: on her you know what I mean. Like that's just
• 36:22
  Speaker 3: not there's a there's a there's a total disconnect for
• 36:25
  Speaker 3: me and like I don't know.
• 36:29
  Speaker 1: And it's trying to stay on the show, so you're trying.
• 36:32
  Speaker 3: To like, yeah, it's not even yeah, I think it's
• 36:35
  Speaker 3: like she saw, you know, Nicole's not backs. And then
• 36:37
  Speaker 3: Gerty's sort of like kind of isolated, right, Like she
• 36:40
  Speaker 3: doesn't have like Nicole, sort of Gerty's bridge. Nicole has
• 36:44
  Speaker 3: had a history with Alexia, with Larsa, with with all
• 36:48
  Speaker 3: these with some other people. So it sort of gives Julia.
• 36:51
  Speaker 3: And Julia had already been sort of cuddling up with
• 36:54
  Speaker 3: Alexia and now she has Marisol with her. Yeah, and
• 36:57
  Speaker 3: so like there's this there was this opportunity for her
• 36:59
  Speaker 3: to sort of slide in and ascend in the ranks,
• 37:02
  Speaker 3: if you will. And I also actually has an interviewed
• 37:04
  Speaker 3: Adriana yesterday, so I've done a lot in Miami's I've
• 37:07
  Speaker 3: done a lot of Miami interviews recently. And Adriana said
• 37:10
  Speaker 3: the same thing. She's like, it's all about the show.
• 37:12
  Speaker 3: It's all about sort of ascending in the ranks and
• 37:14
  Speaker 3: being with the cool girls and just like you know,
• 37:18
  Speaker 3: stepping on people to get to the top from their perspective.
• 37:20
  Speaker 3: And that tracks for me in a lot of ways.
• 37:23
  Speaker 3: I don't know.
• 37:24
  Speaker 2: This last episode, this last episode of the Yachts, when
• 37:28
  Speaker 2: Adriana was so drunk, it was hilarious to me. First
• 37:32
  Speaker 2: of all, I love Mirasol. I'm rider down Mirasol. Mariso
• 37:34
  Speaker 2: could do anything Mariso call do in.
• 37:36
  Speaker 3: Marasol by the way of one of the chickest dressers
• 37:38
  Speaker 3: of any Housewives franchise. She always looks so chic hell.
• 37:43
  Speaker 2: She nails it. She nailed it at that white party
• 37:46
  Speaker 2: for Gerdy. She like in that little kind of like
• 37:48
  Speaker 2: everything she wears. I'm always screenshotting and putting into my
• 37:50
  Speaker 2: Google lens, like give me a look for less like
• 37:53
  Speaker 2: Doupe dot com, Like I need it, even though I mean,
• 37:56
  Speaker 2: I'm a regular sized person, but I'm three times her size.
• 37:59
  Speaker 3: She I mean, she she is idyo bitty. Yeah she's idiot.
• 38:03
  Speaker 1: Yeah, she's a little elephant. But I love her and
• 38:06
  Speaker 1: I love that.
• 38:08
  Speaker 2: Marisol was like, no, I don't want to be on
• 38:10
  Speaker 2: a boat with Adriana, Like, oh my god, I don't
• 38:12
  Speaker 2: want to.
• 38:14
  Speaker 1: And then Adriana got drunk and got mad.
• 38:15
  Speaker 2: Like why don't you want to be on the boat
• 38:17
  Speaker 2: with me?
• 38:17
  Speaker 1: She's calling her wrinkly knees.
• 38:19
  Speaker 3: And then that episode Mary Pyne was a perfect episode
• 38:24
  Speaker 3: of Real Housewives if you ask me, Like it was funny.
• 38:26
  Speaker 3: It was so deeply unserious, but like they still a drama,
• 38:30
  Speaker 3: they still like I was cracking up Adriana on the
• 38:34
  Speaker 3: other boat yelling across the boat, and then they all
• 38:37
  Speaker 3: left her. But then she was still talking to the
• 38:39
  Speaker 3: staff on the boat. It was or when they were
• 38:42
  Speaker 3: scorting the water gun in her feet in her mouth
• 38:45
  Speaker 3: like she was.
• 38:45
  Speaker 2: They were like, don't get me wet. It was like
• 38:47
  Speaker 2: Ramona Singer, you know, don't.
• 38:49
  Speaker 1: Who are you to get me wet?
• 38:50
  Speaker 3: It was very that.
• 38:50
  Speaker 1: It was very that, now what thoughts on Stephanie?
• 38:53
  Speaker 2: Because I did have a listener send me a bunch
• 38:56
  Speaker 2: of stuff about Stephanie's husband being like in.
• 38:58
  Speaker 1: Full foreclosure and that how she's.
• 39:00
  Speaker 2: Showing is like they fully don't own it anymore, like
• 39:04
  Speaker 2: the bank owns it. And I was like, what's happening?
• 39:06
  Speaker 2: There is this another scammer situation on that.
• 39:09
  Speaker 3: Kind of stuff. That kind of stuff I'm like, I
• 39:12
  Speaker 3: take with a grain of salt until like I don't know,
• 39:16
  Speaker 3: I feel like she's been on for like five episodes,
• 39:18
  Speaker 3: like they're filming the union tomorrow, Like let's like that
• 39:22
  Speaker 3: that's percolating out there, so like I'm sure it'll be
• 39:24
  Speaker 3: brought up at the reunion. Let's see how she reacts
• 39:27
  Speaker 3: to it. Honestly, I don't really do a lot of
• 39:30
  Speaker 3: the like stuff that bubbles up on the Reddit because
• 39:33
  Speaker 3: I'm just sort of like I need it's just too
• 39:35
  Speaker 3: sort of to me. But yeah, yeah, and there's also
• 39:42
  Speaker 3: there's clearly a lot there though, like there's clearly something happening.
• 39:45
  Speaker 3: I just don't really need to make sense of it myself.
• 39:47
  Speaker 3: But you know, you always do have to like take
• 39:50
  Speaker 3: a step back or no pause when somebody new comes
• 39:54
  Speaker 3: onto a housewive show and like projects so much wealth,
• 39:58
  Speaker 3: you know what I mean, Like yeah, just like that
• 39:59
  Speaker 3: can't be touched. You always have to like kind of
• 40:04
  Speaker 3: squintle a little bit, right.
• 40:06
  Speaker 2: Yeah, it's so it's so the her showing, you know,
• 40:09
  Speaker 2: Adrona where her closet will be and this will be
• 40:11
  Speaker 2: my wall for my burkins, and the ceilings are forty
• 40:14
  Speaker 2: feet and you know all this stuff.
• 40:16
  Speaker 1: And I had them move the pool because I didn't
• 40:18
  Speaker 1: want to like look at the pool.
• 40:19
  Speaker 2: That you know, if you have moved the pool money
• 40:24
  Speaker 2: like just hear that, just tear the house down, start over,
• 40:27
  Speaker 2: like what do you do? It was crazy and for
• 40:30
  Speaker 2: her for her to to be like this will be
• 40:31
  Speaker 2: my wall of burkins, this will be this, I was like,
• 40:34
  Speaker 2: it reminds you of the phrase, you know, money screams
• 40:37
  Speaker 2: and wealth whispers. Yes, it's like girls stop like how
• 40:42
  Speaker 2: about just it's sort of like Doctor Nicole in the
• 40:45
  Speaker 2: way that they are so rich, Like she is so rich,
• 40:50
  Speaker 2: but you never really snee her talk about it.
• 40:52
  Speaker 1: She wouldn't be like, look at my wallet, Berkins.
• 40:54
  Speaker 3: Yeah, the way they talk about their money is so different.
• 40:58
  Speaker 3: It's so different. I think Stephanie Presents is having the
• 41:01
  Speaker 3: same amount as Doctor and Cole and Anthony. But yeah,
• 41:04
  Speaker 3: Nicole was very she like she said it with like
• 41:08
  Speaker 3: a twinkle in her eye, you know, yeah, like she
• 41:10
  Speaker 3: give her the wink. But she wouldn't straight out be
• 41:12
  Speaker 3: straight up be like, yeah, we paid five thousand dollars
• 41:15
  Speaker 3: for that, or we paid six million dollars for that.
• 41:17
  Speaker 3: Like she didn't. That was not the way that she
• 41:19
  Speaker 3: really talked unless she was pressed to give an answer sometimes.
• 41:23
  Speaker 3: But yeah, they definitely that's a good dichotomy there. And
• 41:27
  Speaker 3: to compare to how they talked about their money.
• 41:29
  Speaker 2: Well, because I saw Nicole this week and I was like,
• 41:32
  Speaker 2: I love her. Gerty was like, what are we doing
• 41:35
  Speaker 2: to get you back into the friend group?
• 41:37
  Speaker 1: What are we doing to get you back on this show?
• 41:39
  Speaker 2: So I don't have to do it by myself. I
• 41:41
  Speaker 2: was like, yes, Gerty, you're all of us, yeah on
• 41:43
  Speaker 2: the show.
• 41:44
  Speaker 3: Yeah. But I think that the gerdy Julia thing like
• 41:48
  Speaker 3: sort of it's sort of like that's the direction that
• 41:52
  Speaker 3: Nicole wouldn't want, that would not want the show to
• 41:54
  Speaker 3: go in that that is not like, that's not enticing
• 41:57
  Speaker 3: her to come back to the show. That whole thing interesting.
• 41:59
  Speaker 1: To Stephanie used today Anthony too, huh.
• 42:02
  Speaker 3: I know, a very long time ago. But and you
• 42:04
  Speaker 3: could tell, like Nicole I think dropped out of the
• 42:06
  Speaker 3: season pretty close to production, and so I think that,
• 42:11
  Speaker 3: you know, they clearly wanted the Stephanie a Cole thing
• 42:14
  Speaker 3: to be a thing. Yeah, you know, they lost something
• 42:17
  Speaker 3: and that I still think it's been a great season,
• 42:19
  Speaker 3: but they wanted that to be a thing. And so
• 42:21
  Speaker 3: now they're nice in the press.
• 42:23
  Speaker 1: But what about who did Nicole say?
• 42:26
  Speaker 2: Somebody she said had put out a p I to
• 42:28
  Speaker 2: like Marisol, Come on, I just talked about how great
• 42:31
  Speaker 2: you are.
• 42:31
  Speaker 3: Don't do that to Nicole alleges hired a private investigator
• 42:36
  Speaker 3: on her. I think Marisol really wants them to be
• 42:40
  Speaker 3: full time.
• 42:41
  Speaker 2: And why isn't she She's there for she's like Luyn
• 42:44
  Speaker 2: when Luis.
• 42:45
  Speaker 3: She's never seen. I think it's just because she doesn't
• 42:47
  Speaker 3: have that much personal storyline going on. She's gotten married
• 42:50
  Speaker 3: like four times in the same guy. Like there's like
• 42:52
  Speaker 3: there's not much else going on. Mama Else is not
• 42:55
  Speaker 3: around anymore. I I p yeah, I think that is
• 42:59
  Speaker 3: the biggest reason why Adriana and Marisol aren't. I think
• 43:04
  Speaker 3: Kiki originally wasn't because she They don't. I don't think
• 43:06
  Speaker 3: they foresaw her being such a star and such a
• 43:08
  Speaker 3: hit with fans, and that's why she's like every season
• 43:11
  Speaker 3: like her her sort of her space on the show
• 43:13
  Speaker 3: has been gotten bigger and bigger. I think if anybody
• 43:17
  Speaker 3: gets one, it would be her. Like I think she's
• 43:19
  Speaker 3: sort of on a trap to sort of build and
• 43:21
  Speaker 3: build and build. Where I think Marisol and Adriana I
• 43:24
  Speaker 3: would love to see them get mohitos. Don't get me wrong,
• 43:26
  Speaker 3: but like I think they're fantastic as they are, you
• 43:30
  Speaker 3: know what I mean. Like, yeah, and it's also a
• 43:32
  Speaker 3: money thing for sure.
• 43:33
  Speaker 2: Well, like I told you, I started watching Miami from
• 43:36
  Speaker 2: season one after Marisol and Alexia We're on Ultimate Girls
• 43:40
  Speaker 2: trap because I was like I've never watched Miami, but
• 43:43
  Speaker 2: I love these two and now I.
• 43:44
  Speaker 1: Feel like I have to.
• 43:45
  Speaker 3: Yeah, it's a good watch in the beginning, especially seasons.
• 43:48
  Speaker 3: Season two and season three are very good, very good
• 43:51
  Speaker 3: seasons of Let me tell.
• 43:52
  Speaker 1: You something that Larsa.
• 43:53
  Speaker 2: When I started watching it and I knew what the
• 43:56
  Speaker 2: current cast looks like, and when I was watching it
• 43:58
  Speaker 2: with Larsa and Scotti, Pep and all.
• 44:00
  Speaker 1: That, I was like, is that the same girl?
• 44:02
  Speaker 3: Like?
• 44:02
  Speaker 2: I was so confused, and she talked so awfully about
• 44:05
  Speaker 2: like her staff and stuff.
• 44:07
  Speaker 1: I was like, oh, this isn't an age.
• 44:08
  Speaker 3: Well, yeah, it didn't age well. I think I think
• 44:12
  Speaker 3: most of that season doesn't age very well. Yeah, there's
• 44:17
  Speaker 3: also a black of it all. Yeah, that was those
• 44:19
  Speaker 3: are those are good days of the.
• 44:20
  Speaker 2: Show, Leah Black being best friends with what's the guy?
• 44:24
  Speaker 2: The Girl's gone wild? Jeffran says, yeah, yes, oh my god.
• 44:27
  Speaker 3: Yes. And there was the there was a drag queen
• 44:29
  Speaker 3: drama too, that one drag queen that was around.
• 44:32
  Speaker 1: Oh yes, none of that age.
• 44:34
  Speaker 2: Well you're so right, meek, All right, let's quickly talk
• 44:39
  Speaker 2: about the o C. So, Gretchen is back and I
• 44:43
  Speaker 2: didn't like I didn't like the mean girls talking about
• 44:46
  Speaker 2: how she looks like a filter. Even when she's out
• 44:49
  Speaker 2: in the world, she still looks like a filter. I mean,
• 44:52
  Speaker 2: it's true, but I didn't like them sitting around and
• 44:55
  Speaker 2: like cackling about it.
• 44:56
  Speaker 3: Yeah. What I think that I was fine with was
• 44:59
  Speaker 3: like the thing of her photos, which can be like
• 45:02
  Speaker 3: crazy sometimes like it's like guys, like you have to
• 45:05
  Speaker 3: laugh at that. But I agree the saying that she
• 45:07
  Speaker 3: looks like that in real life. I'm like, that's just
• 45:10
  Speaker 3: low hanging fruit, you know what I mean, Like find
• 45:12
  Speaker 3: like find something more creative.
• 45:13
  Speaker 2: Honestly, it's crazy this week when they had you Joe
• 45:16
  Speaker 2: come in and all that, and then we kept seeing
• 45:19
  Speaker 2: like Old Slade and New Slade. What is going New
• 45:23
  Speaker 2: Slade's hair is like it's like he's a Las Vegas
• 45:26
  Speaker 2: lounge singer. It's like swoops up and over. And I
• 45:29
  Speaker 2: didn't realize it until we saw Old Slade when he
• 45:31
  Speaker 2: had regular hair, was like, is he trying to cover
• 45:33
  Speaker 2: something because he's got it so so like he had
• 45:36
  Speaker 2: to work on that hairdo He did?
• 45:39
  Speaker 3: He did, and I think it's still work in progress.
• 45:43
  Speaker 3: Let's just say that they did.
• 45:45
  Speaker 2: She did prefer to Slade as her husband on the show,
• 45:47
  Speaker 2: but then later they showed him in the kitchen with
• 45:49
  Speaker 2: the with the daughter and it said Slade Gretchen's life partner,
• 45:53
  Speaker 2: but she did refer to him as my husband.
• 45:56
  Speaker 3: I feel like that is I bet you either what
• 46:00
  Speaker 3: do you what do you think that means? That means
• 46:02
  Speaker 3: are secretly married? Uh?
• 46:05
  Speaker 1: No, because I don't think she would get secretly married
• 46:08
  Speaker 1: us yeh just used the terms.
• 46:11
  Speaker 2: Yeah, and maybe it's a it could be a legal thing,
• 46:13
  Speaker 2: you know, his ex wives and whatnot. I'm not thrilled
• 46:17
  Speaker 2: that she's back. I don't really care so far. I
• 46:18
  Speaker 2: don't feel like.
• 46:19
  Speaker 1: She's bringing anything.
• 46:20
  Speaker 2: I I am more interested in that whole Katie thing
• 46:25
  Speaker 2: and how everybody's kind of turned on Katie, but then
• 46:28
  Speaker 2: everybody kind of turned on Emily after the reunion, and
• 46:30
  Speaker 2: it's sort of.
• 46:31
  Speaker 1: Like, oh, where do we go?
• 46:32
  Speaker 2: Because also, I don't like that Emily's brought this thing
• 46:35
  Speaker 2: up about her ten year old son on camera, even
• 46:37
  Speaker 2: though I'm sure production told her she should. I kind
• 46:41
  Speaker 2: of don't like it because he's only ten.
• 46:44
  Speaker 3: Yeah. I think that Emily had a really bad reunion
• 46:48
  Speaker 3: last year. I hated I hated when she brought all
• 46:51
  Speaker 3: that stuff up. I thought it was so besides the
• 46:53
  Speaker 3: point and like so punching down, like all everything about
• 46:57
  Speaker 3: it just like did not land well at all, and
• 46:59
  Speaker 3: it made her look really bad. And I think that
• 47:01
  Speaker 3: she's having this season now where like' just kind of
• 47:04
  Speaker 3: continuing to go full force and it's just not really
• 47:09
  Speaker 3: coming off the way that she thinks it's going to
• 47:11
  Speaker 3: come off. You know, I think that she she kind
• 47:13
  Speaker 3: of hired her high on her own supply right now,
• 47:17
  Speaker 3: and it's not And that's not to say that like
• 47:19
  Speaker 3: I am buying all what Katie's selling either, Like there's
• 47:22
  Speaker 3: a lot like there's a lot of smoke there in
• 47:24
  Speaker 3: terms of like she got in way over her head
• 47:27
  Speaker 3: as a housewife. She was clearly corresponding with a lot
• 47:30
  Speaker 3: of these different fan accounts and as they call bloggers
• 47:33
  Speaker 3: or podcasters, whatever term you want to use, Like the
• 47:36
  Speaker 3: bloggers is very twenty twelve to know.
• 47:38
  Speaker 2: I'm always like, who is a blogger? Are you trying
• 47:41
  Speaker 2: to sell Kiki Monique, who we both know is a blogger?
• 47:43
  Speaker 3: I don't think so that's she's ax exactly, But like
• 47:48
  Speaker 3: you know, now this is the third thing that's come
• 47:50
  Speaker 3: up about her corresponding with these people, and it's like,
• 47:54
  Speaker 3: and that's on top of the paparazzi thing from last
• 47:57
  Speaker 3: year where she was in correspondent with the head paparazzi guy.
• 48:00
  Speaker 3: So it's like there's a lot of that and like
• 48:01
  Speaker 3: clearly she thought that was sort of what the game was,
• 48:04
  Speaker 3: and that's like, if you're going to do that, which
• 48:06
  Speaker 3: I believe a lot of them do that. Yeah, don't
• 48:08
  Speaker 3: get caught real smart about it, like ye, all of
• 48:11
  Speaker 3: them have their preferred people that they talk to, I'm sure,
• 48:14
  Speaker 3: but like you she she it sounds like she was
• 48:18
  Speaker 3: like doing outreach to people, you know what I mean. Yes,
• 48:21
  Speaker 3: it's it's and it's sort of it sucks that I do.
• 48:25
  Speaker 3: When Katie has her like personal scenes and things, I'm like,
• 48:27
  Speaker 3: I really like you, you know, I'm like, I really
• 48:30
  Speaker 3: like there are so many things to like about Katie.
• 48:32
  Speaker 3: But then like you turn the corner and it's like, well,
• 48:35
  Speaker 3: you were talking about us to Kikimnique, or you were
• 48:38
  Speaker 3: calling Bravo babe, or you were and it's like, how
• 48:42
  Speaker 3: much of this did she do? Is it all out
• 48:44
  Speaker 3: there yet? Yeah?
• 48:45
  Speaker 2: I mean I know people personally that she reached out
• 48:47
  Speaker 2: to and then later blocked them, and then later unblocked
• 48:52
  Speaker 2: them and apologized for blocking them, And these people are like, girl,
• 48:55
  Speaker 2: I don't know you like what she messaged.
• 48:57
  Speaker 3: She messaged me, did I tell you this?
• 48:59
  Speaker 1: No, that isn't surprise me.
• 49:01
  Speaker 3: She messages me after I talked about her on my
• 49:02
  Speaker 3: podcast not even that nothing too crazy. It was like
• 49:05
  Speaker 3: thirty minutes into the show, and three hours after that
• 49:07
  Speaker 3: episode came out, I got a message from her, and
• 49:09
  Speaker 3: it was just like, you're you got to be above
• 49:13
  Speaker 3: the frail little bit more than that if you're gonna yeah.
• 49:16
  Speaker 2: Yeah, And you don't need to listen to all the
• 49:17
  Speaker 2: podcasts either, because like, no again, you can't have enough time.
• 49:21
  Speaker 1: There's so many podcasts, you know.
• 49:23
  Speaker 3: No, it's and it's just like be better off, just
• 49:25
  Speaker 3: like being yourself on these shows. Don't care about what
• 49:27
  Speaker 3: the accounts are really posting about you, Like, yeah, it's
• 49:30
  Speaker 3: obviously easier said than done. But I don't know. She
• 49:33
  Speaker 3: just has dug herself into such a hole, like curious.
• 49:38
  Speaker 1: You don't play in the off season, right, it's off season,
• 49:41
  Speaker 1: Like you're not, don't. Yeah?
• 49:43
  Speaker 2: Well I do like her husband, and I like how
• 49:45
  Speaker 2: he just like rides so hard. He's like to, like,
• 49:48
  Speaker 2: whatever they're saying, it's there. I was like, are you not,
• 49:51
  Speaker 2: It's okay. I think her personal story with the kids
• 49:54
  Speaker 2: and all that, I think it's I think it's something
• 49:57
  Speaker 2: a lot of people could relate to. And I think
• 49:59
  Speaker 2: that that that's interesting and I think she kind of
• 50:02
  Speaker 2: didn't have to do that. I'm going to record this
• 50:03
  Speaker 2: on my phone. I think it was Emily that was
• 50:06
  Speaker 2: on Watch What Happens Live. Randy was like asking about
• 50:09
  Speaker 2: the recording the Shannon having the meltdown and did she
• 50:12
  Speaker 2: remember and she goes, no, I don't remember. I've known
• 50:14
  Speaker 2: Channa for a long time. I've seen a lot of meltdowns.
• 50:17
  Speaker 2: I don't know that particular one doesn't stand out.
• 50:20
  Speaker 1: Meltdowns all the time.
• 50:22
  Speaker 3: And that and that's a perfect answer, you know what
• 50:24
  Speaker 3: I mean. And that track, you know clearly clearly Katie
• 50:27
  Speaker 3: was sort of like shocked by it or whatever. But again, yeah,
• 50:30
  Speaker 3: like and that talk about apparently that's technically illegal as well.
• 50:34
  Speaker 3: She didn't have consent to be recorded, and it's right,
• 50:38
  Speaker 3: I don't know. And also I just feel like she's
• 50:40
  Speaker 3: told different stories about that. It's like, did she play
• 50:43
  Speaker 3: it for a Lexus and them when they're on their
• 50:44
  Speaker 3: triple date or did she just talk about it or
• 50:46
  Speaker 3: did she only send it to her husband, Like we've
• 50:48
  Speaker 3: we've heard three different explanations for it, and that's also
• 50:52
  Speaker 3: part of her issue. She can't stick to a story.
• 50:55
  Speaker 1: Yeah, all of that is the issue.
• 50:57
  Speaker 2: And I don't know. I do think she'll have a
• 51:00
  Speaker 2: I was surprised she was back on this season. Honestly,
• 51:02
  Speaker 2: I was like, Oh, she's not gonna either she's not
• 51:03
  Speaker 2: going to want to come back, or they're gonna say
• 51:06
  Speaker 2: like it's too messy. That she came on back, and
• 51:08
  Speaker 2: that's probably a good thing because she is propelling a
• 51:12
  Speaker 2: lot of the storylines and we've got you know, Tamar
• 51:16
  Speaker 2: out there still fighting with Jen.
• 51:18
  Speaker 1: I'm like, come on.
• 51:20
  Speaker 3: The thing is, though, I think that they're such good
• 51:23
  Speaker 3: adversaries because Jen can hold her own, Like yeah, scene
• 51:26
  Speaker 3: of them sitting down at that Mexican restaurant, they didn't
• 51:29
  Speaker 3: even order anything, They had chips and deneat them and
• 51:31
  Speaker 3: left like that was that scene. That argument. It just worked,
• 51:36
  Speaker 3: Like they their dynamic is so tense, but like they
• 51:40
  Speaker 3: can both take it to each other and they don't
• 51:42
  Speaker 3: really they don't really back down to one another. Yeah,
• 51:45
  Speaker 3: I know that, like Tamman needs to like let the
• 51:47
  Speaker 3: mouse go. But I love Jen as an adversary for her.
• 51:50
  Speaker 3: I think that because I love Jen Bradanti. I think
• 51:53
  Speaker 3: that she is I I like almost everything about her,
• 51:57
  Speaker 3: Like it's really I like how.
• 51:59
  Speaker 1: She came into goes, how are you doing?
• 52:00
  Speaker 2: I have that belt and she goes, oh, yeah, I
• 52:02
  Speaker 2: like I have it too, and then they start the
• 52:04
  Speaker 2: whole thing about the only on Housewives will a conversation
• 52:07
  Speaker 2: we had about somebody's hair extensions being put into somebody
• 52:10
  Speaker 2: else's head, which is just.
• 52:12
  Speaker 3: So and it's like and I totally believe Jen's explanation
• 52:16
  Speaker 3: for that, like yeah, like camera tried to try to
• 52:19
  Speaker 3: present it as this like creepy, weird thing if she
• 52:21
  Speaker 3: wants to be me, and it's like, yeah, we were
• 52:23
  Speaker 3: just we were just walking around because they were laying
• 52:25
  Speaker 3: around at the hair salon, and we both go to like,
• 52:27
  Speaker 3: they didn't put it in my head, like it's not
• 52:29
  Speaker 3: that not that serious, not that crazy, like of course
• 52:33
  Speaker 3: Hamra did that, and.
• 52:34
  Speaker 1: It's so funny.
• 52:34
  Speaker 2: It's like I'm trying to soak up the essence of
• 52:36
  Speaker 2: you by putting your hair in my head like what
• 52:41
  Speaker 2: but only on Housewives. And I also did enjoy that
• 52:43
  Speaker 2: Terry Debro was stoned out of his mind at the party.
• 52:46
  Speaker 1: I enjoyed that as well.
• 52:48
  Speaker 3: It's very much like give us more of that, Terry,
• 52:50
  Speaker 3: Like I like, we need, we need more less, we
• 52:55
  Speaker 3: need less buttoned up due bro moments sometimes, And that
• 52:58
  Speaker 3: was a great one. I totally agree.
• 53:00
  Speaker 1: Him not talking about all the time.
• 53:02
  Speaker 3: Yeah yeah, but like okay, the throwing the glasses at
• 53:05
  Speaker 3: the gong, Like, how imagine being in a party, like
• 53:08
  Speaker 3: a cockshail party, and you're like trying to held have
• 53:11
  Speaker 3: conversations every five seconds, somebody's like throwing a glass at
• 53:13
  Speaker 3: a gong across. Yeah. I was confused by that. I
• 53:16
  Speaker 3: I didn't understand that. I didn't.
• 53:18
  Speaker 2: I mean, as it was a plastic glass that they
• 53:20
  Speaker 2: were throwing.
• 53:22
  Speaker 3: But it was they were adding glass noises at least
• 53:27
  Speaker 3: if they weren't actually glass.
• 53:30
  Speaker 1: I think of the mess that would make because it
• 53:32
  Speaker 1: would go all.
• 53:32
  Speaker 3: I know, it's dangerous, I agree, and every time it
• 53:36
  Speaker 3: was weird soutive.
• 53:39
  Speaker 2: Do you think that they'll bring Joe in as a
• 53:41
  Speaker 2: friend up and test her back out?
• 53:46
  Speaker 3: You know, I don't know, Like I think it depends
• 53:50
  Speaker 3: on how well Gretchen performs the rest of the season,
• 53:53
  Speaker 3: and I think all signs point to her performing at
• 53:55
  Speaker 3: least better than Alexis did in the middle. That bar
• 53:58
  Speaker 3: is underground, so there's the only way to go from
• 54:01
  Speaker 3: there was up. But to me, like I like the
• 54:05
  Speaker 3: instinct of tamer bringing Joe to that event, but like
• 54:08
  Speaker 3: it didn't really do anything.
• 54:09
  Speaker 1: Because nobody's mad at Joe, nobody hates Yeah, it was.
• 54:12
  Speaker 3: Sort of like, and I think that Joe we talked.
• 54:16
  Speaker 3: I talk sometimes about like old school like new housewives
• 54:19
  Speaker 3: who kind of give old school housewives like Angela Oakley
• 54:21
  Speaker 3: to me, is that in a really good way, whereas
• 54:24
  Speaker 3: like Joe to me, is somebody nothing not to like
• 54:27
  Speaker 3: about her. But I'm sort of like if they added
• 54:30
  Speaker 3: her back, like I kind of feel like she's sort
• 54:32
  Speaker 3: of stuck in the early days of the show, right
• 54:37
  Speaker 3: old school in a helpful way to the show. So
• 54:40
  Speaker 3: I don't know, Like I'm not I wasn't convinced by
• 54:42
  Speaker 3: that little cameo she made.
• 54:44
  Speaker 2: Yeah, I wasn't either, And also I didn't even recognize
• 54:46
  Speaker 2: her Dack Gina Kiyoh, that's who we need.
• 54:49
  Speaker 1: No, I'm just kidding.
• 54:51
  Speaker 2: Unless she's doing something great, then do bring myr Gina,
• 54:54
  Speaker 2: Gina Gina.
• 54:56
  Speaker 3: But here's the thing, I feel like the show's and
• 54:58
  Speaker 3: I feel like the show other than it's reliance season
• 55:00
  Speaker 3: on like too many bloggers podcasters stand accounts, like there's
• 55:05
  Speaker 3: too much of that. Otherwise, I like love the State
• 55:08
  Speaker 3: of OC. I think it's like very it's in a
• 55:10
  Speaker 3: healthy place as a franchise. So I'm like, you don't
• 55:12
  Speaker 3: need to fuck with it that much either, you know
• 55:14
  Speaker 3: what I mean, Just let it ride. Like there's a
• 55:16
  Speaker 3: lot of interesting group dynamic stuff happening right now.
• 55:19
  Speaker 1: Oh, people hate Tamra so bad. I just don't hate
• 55:21
  Speaker 1: her as much as.
• 55:22
  Speaker 3: I'm not there. No, I'm not. I'm not there with
• 55:24
  Speaker 3: her either.
• 55:24
  Speaker 2: No, everybody's like cameras the worst. I'm like, I don't know,
• 55:26
  Speaker 2: she's such good TV.
• 55:27
  Speaker 3: I mean, yeah, I'm sorry, she helps save the show,
• 55:30
  Speaker 3: so like, yeah, I think such like it's just yeah,
• 55:33
  Speaker 3: she she goes too far and she there's there's a
• 55:36
  Speaker 3: lot of stunts that get pulled, and so she should
• 55:38
  Speaker 3: rain that in a little bit. But like, I'm sorry,
• 55:42
  Speaker 3: she knows, she's she knows what she's doing, and she's
• 55:45
  Speaker 3: she also never cared. She doesn't care to be liked
• 55:47
  Speaker 3: so and I well, yeah about her. I appreciate that
• 55:50
  Speaker 3: about her.
• 55:50
  Speaker 2: If I was on any of these shows, I wouldn't
• 55:52
  Speaker 2: have one friend. I would never tell one person anything ever,
• 55:54
  Speaker 2: because you can't text something, you can't say something.
• 55:56
  Speaker 1: It's then bring it up three years later, you know.
• 55:59
  Speaker 3: Right, I'm now they're all realizing they can't even text
• 56:03
  Speaker 3: each other because like then they're gonna screen shots are
• 56:05
  Speaker 3: gonna be Gertie's releasing screenshots. Yeah, you know, Katie, all
• 56:09
  Speaker 3: her screenshots are being released, like things are Denise's screenshots. Like,
• 56:13
  Speaker 3: you can't be texting. I guess if you're a housewife,
• 56:15
  Speaker 3: you just gotta be sending voice notes that expire.
• 56:17
  Speaker 2: Voices to aspire. Yeah, and you see if somebody says
• 56:20
  Speaker 2: when you go to their house and rub their.
• 56:21
  Speaker 1: Phone out of their hand.
• 56:23
  Speaker 2: Yeah, well, Gibson, we have to wrap it up, but
• 56:26
  Speaker 2: tell everybody where they can find you and your fun podcast.
• 56:29
  Speaker 2: I did see your clip that you put up on
• 56:31
  Speaker 2: social media of Gurdy where she like tear.
• 56:34
  Speaker 3: Yeah, she was emotional over the Julia stuff. Yeah. I've
• 56:39
  Speaker 3: been doing a lot of Miami interviews recently. My show's
• 56:41
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• 56:45
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• 56:48
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• 56:55
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• 56:57
  Speaker 1: Why is your Instagram name Gibsonoma.
• 57:00
  Speaker 3: Because and in sixth grade, a good friend of mine
• 57:05
  Speaker 3: started calling me that because there was a Williams Sonoma
• 57:07
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• 57:10
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• 57:13
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• 57:15
  Speaker 3: I used it as the username was when Twitter came around,
• 57:18
  Speaker 3: which was like the beginning of like middle of high
• 57:20
  Speaker 3: school for me. Yeah. I just used that because that's
• 57:23
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• 57:27
  Speaker 1: So well, I'm just like, you think that you live
• 57:29
  Speaker 1: in Sonoma, but you don't.
• 57:30
  Speaker 3: No no opally just like a childhood nickname from a friend. Yeah,
• 57:34
  Speaker 3: I think it's kind of chic.
• 57:36
  Speaker 1: It's cute.
• 57:37
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• 57:38
  Speaker 2: All right, Everybody follow Gibson and go listen to his podcast.
• 57:41
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• 57:49
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