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Hebrews Part 39 - Simply Christ Podcast · Simply Christ Podcast

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All righty, we are going to get started with our Bible study
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tonight. Want to thank you all for being
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here today. We're going to inspect God's
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Word and we're going to let it transform and dictate the way we
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live our lives here. And that's what the word does.
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It's powerful and strong. It gives us direction.
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We're going to study out of Hebrews for the next hour and
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just go through some of the verses by verse, by verse and
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see what they mean and and kind of dissect some of them a little
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bit. We welcome your input.
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there Simply Christ podcast. So yeah, we'll get started
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tonight in Hebrews chapter 12. Verse 1 is going to be our
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starting verse, and we'll go through this a little bit out of
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time. Let's see.
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Dan, would you lead us to the word of prayer?
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Sure, Father, we look to You this evening.
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We look for your wisdom, for your grace, for your
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understanding. We do trust that Your Spirit is
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within us and that we are walking in Your will.
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We ask God that you would open up our understanding, help us to
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enunciate and speak clearly and to articulate our thoughts to
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Your glory. Keep us from saying things we
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ought not to. And I pray that You would make
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things more clear to us and especially to those people that
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are some of them of our background, of our persuasion,
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some people that are caught and lost in the religion.
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I pray that you would free them by the gospel and that the words
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we get through tonight would be an edification to believers and
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a challenge to those that are still stuck in religion.
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We do pray again, Father, for the tragedy of last week and the
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families and the the community that's hurting from that
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difficulty. We ask that you would be the God
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of all comfort to them during this time.
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We ask this all in Jesus name, Amen.
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For those of the you that are tuned in don't know what he was
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talking about is one of Andrew Strock's helpers got caught and
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died in an accident at his sawmill a couple weeks ago here.
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So keep them in your prayers. OK, so so busy visiting here
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prior to opening up that I wasn't paying much attention to
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the scriptures here, so I'll wig it.
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I know that we just got through the the faith chapter last week
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and we we talked just a little bit on chapter 12 verse one, but
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that's what we start again this week and I just really, really
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appreciate it. Last week we talked about having
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that, that cloud of witnesses and the weight that that wants
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to set in and, and draw us down and pull us back how that we can
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we can overcome that by the grace of God.
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And, and through these examples of faith or faithful faith
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filled people, we can see that sometimes it's a long haul.
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Sometimes we go a long ways through a dark tunnel before we
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seem to see any movement or anything changing.
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But that doesn't, you know, negate that we should still stay
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strong. And again, the the whole
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argument for the poker Hebrews is to not depart from the faith,
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even even if other things come up that seem to be working
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better at the moment. Don't hand off what you've been
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taught in the gospel for something flashy on the side.
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So I'll read verse one and I'll kick it over to you, Aaron.
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So obviously it says there. Wherefore, seeing we also are
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come passed about with so great a cloud of witnesses.
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Let us lay aside every weight and the sin which does so easily
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beset us and let us run with patience the race that is set
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before us, looking unto Jesus, the author and the finisher of
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our faith do for the joy that was set before him endured the
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cross despising the shame and is set down at the right hand of
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the throne of God and we we're just kind of focus on verse one
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for now, but that was the complete sentence.
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I wanted to read it that way. And one thing that that that I
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wanted to point out real quick here is it says the sin which
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does so easily beset us and I'd want to say in my life that you
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know, I'm not sure that sin really easily besets me.
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You know, I'm I'm pretty good, but the fact is it does actually
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easily beset us believers. It is something that is
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constantly there looking for an opportunity to latch on and just
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keep you from the the fullness of the glory of God.
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I believe and so I think we do well.
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I know I do well to realize that that I am fallible and unable.
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Sometimes I too need the grace of God.
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I too need his mercy. I too, need every instrument of
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power that he gave us. The shield of faith, you know,
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all the all the Shields of the swords of the darts, everything
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that we got. So, Aaron, go ahead.
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Yeah, I, I try to think about it in the context we talked a
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little about this last week, but in the context of why he's
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saying all this, we've we kind of got distracted with the faith
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chapter of the Bible, but he's been encouraging these people to
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continue to be believing in Christ.
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And I think he's he's used all these people.
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We said this last week that you had a first half of the list
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starting there and verse 33 of Chapter 11, the first half, that
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list, they were conquering and doing great things.
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The second-half and it actually changed quite abruptly there in
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verse 35, it changed. It went from somebody having
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their dead child raised life again to others being tortured.
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And and I think that that's what I really see in this verse is
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that he has used all these people as an example and said
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and because it because he's going to go on to say that like
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you all have, you've not been killed for your faith yet,
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right? You've not strove on the blood
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yet so he's going to he's used all these people's to say that
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they believed something and they done great things or they
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suffered a horrible death because of it or they suffered
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some other thing in life because of it.
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And he's saying I know we have two things that are around US1
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is a cloud of witnesses that done great things through faith.
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The other thing that beset and I don't know y'all can correct me
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if I'm wrong, but best I looked that up that actually I was
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thinking of it like it means kick me off the trail, but it
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actually means like surrounded as well, doesn't it?
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Like when I looked that up, it kind of meant like around you on
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all sides, like coming around you.
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So you've got a crap, a cloud of witnesses that that had all
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kinds of different experiences and they done all these things
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by faith. And then all around you, there
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is this opportunity to to get off track, to stop believing, to
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go backwards to to to go away from this.
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And he says he ends that verse with let us run with patience
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the race that is set before us. And and I know you said focus on
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one, but but verse 2 says looking unto Jesus, the author
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and the finisher of our faith, who for the joy that was set
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before him like that. That same word set before
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happens in verse 1 and in verse 2 He says, who for the joy that
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was set before him, endured the cross, despise the shame, and
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sat down throughout hand of the throne of God.
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So Christ had a course, you could say laid out in front of
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him, a course of life that was going to end in his ultimate
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laying his life down. And he says, whatever your
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course is, whatever is set before you, let's run that with
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a with patience or a continuing and enduring belief, regardless
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if it comes to good or to some horrible end.
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Let's go forward and continue to believe that whatever the
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outcome may be. And not like I said that that
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that's what I thought about in that first one, but.
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Yeah, that's good, Dad. Yeah, I think very much along
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the same lines as Aaron there, that the context actually tells
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us what the sin is that he's referring to.
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It's not like an open drawer for you to decide which sin it is
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that besets you. The sin that he's dealing with
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seems to be the sin of turning back on faith, right?
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No longer continuing because he actually, he says don't be beset
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with the sin that be so easily besets us.
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Rather let us run with patients. So he's kind of contrasting
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those two. So running with patients is the
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opposite of the sin that so easily besets us.
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But one couple things I'd like to point out is that the whole
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idea of witnesses is also translated as martyrs.
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I mentioned that last week, and I thought that was kind of
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significant because the end of the last chapter, talking about
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all these different people who've gone before who died not
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having received the promises. Some were stone and sauna,
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slender and slain with the sword and wandered and so on and so
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forth. The world was not worthy of
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them. But seeing that we have that
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great cloud of witnesses, I even think of a few good faithful
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Saints that have died in my own life who I believe now to be
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witnesses also of the life that I'm living.
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And they're kind of cheering you on, so to speak.
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It's, it's not wrong for us to can think about the Saints have
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gone before. They now know what we're longing
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for to some degree, 1° or another.
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And it's like they're cheering us on saying don't give up,
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continue to run. And then he says, lay aside
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every weight. I, I really like sports.
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I like baseball and and weightlifting and volleyball,
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those kinds of things. Most competitors, when they're
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training for a meet or something, they'll use some kind
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of weight. They'll either run with a vest
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on or they'll swing a weighted bat just to kind of get warmed
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up. That way they take the weight
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off and it makes them feel that much lighter.
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And so weights are distractions. They might not be actual sins
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that we're living in, like looking at pornography or
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whatever else. It's just a thing that's kind of
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getting in your way from continuing on something that's
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kind of holding you back from continuing further in the face
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from growing. And so he says, lay aside all
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the weights. Like, you don't need to do that
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anymore. We're actually in battle.
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Put the weights aside all the distractions.
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I don't maybe it's not a perfect illustration because those
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things wouldn't really train you for for this, but the idea is
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that you're as soon as you lay aside the way you feel that much
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more at ease to do the thing that you were supposed to do,
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right? So the question could be asked,
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what distracts you from your faith?
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What weights are you carrying around that are keeping you from
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this great understanding, a deeper depth of knowledge of who
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God is and what Christ has done? It can very often be, for most
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of us, it is at times. It's that crazy spider net of
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web, the Internet. It catches us, it weighs us
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down, it slows us down, it keeps our minds distracted.
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It could be Netflix or Instagram or Facebook or any number of
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things. You know, it can be just your
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phone. And I've been trapped in this so
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many times. It's just a weight.
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It's something that's distracting me from pursuing
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what is good and right. But it could be a good thing,
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like hunting, fishing, boating, you know, I need not, you know,
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normal good activity to do, but it can so consume you that
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you're not continuing in the faith.
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You're distracted from what actually matters.
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And so, again, just to reiterate, Hebrews 1035 through
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39, there's one part there where it says now the just shall live
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by faith. But if any man draw back, my
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soul shall have no pleasure in him.
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And I think that's the sin that is so easily besetting to us.
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And the distractions, the weights of this world can kind
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of keep us bogged down to where we are more tempted to draw
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back, no longer continue to pursue, not willing to be mocked
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or to be scourged or to suffer torture or to see great
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extraordinary things happen because of your faith, because
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we're too easily distracted by the weights of this world.
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And then the word patience is waiting for the promise.
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It's faith stretched out. It's a continued faith.
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And so we look up the word patience sometimes and you think
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it's all having a deep understanding and being kind and
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tender. No, it's, it's believing God and
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then stretching it out over a long period of time where you're
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going through long-suffering. So you need to lay aside the
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weight and continue on in the faith.
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Hey, man, that's really good. While you were talking there, I
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looked up that word besetting or beset and it the the Greek
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definition says to skillfully surround.
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So there you go. That's that's pretty good.
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And you know, I had to think too what that that sin is at
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descending. You know, the the opposite of it
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is like he's telling us the answer is to look up to Jesus,
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the author of the finisher. So to contrast that anything
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that is not that is going to be a wait.
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It's going to be something that is drawing us back in a way.
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So I agree with what you were saying then, Melvin, go ahead.
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Yeah. So I would want to say one thing
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about the witnesses. I've heard some people already
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say that, you know, these Saints of older up there in heaven
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looking down, you know, and watching over us.
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And I don't find any scripture to back that up.
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I guess for myself, when I see this, I see that this is the way
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I kind of see what it's saying. You think of a witness, it's
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someone like, let's just say a witness for a murder or an
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accident or whatever it is someone that was there and
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seeing the actual happening. And so when I think of these
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witnesses, I and that, and that's what it is.
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It's actually Saints that have lived by faith, right?
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Because we went through the whole list and they've
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experienced living by faith, right?
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And so they just have set an example for us, so to speak.
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These whole cloud of witnesses, a cloud to me means just saying,
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you know, there's several different people that have lived
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by faith. They haven't lived perfectly far
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from it. You know, they're all humans,
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but they have believed God that that he that he is good, right
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and, and will be despite maybe the circumstances that they're
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in. And so that's what I see as a as
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a witnesses, but so the weight and I agree with everything you
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guys were saying that that you were dead on.
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One of the weights that I think could be in my own life
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sometimes is myself. Actually, maybe I it's my
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selfishness, because when I'm being selfish, I look away from
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Christ, right? I'm looking to myself.
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Or or maybe it's maybe it's something that like a mindset
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that I have or, you know, one of the things that I struggle with
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is, is being negative. And and so that is a weight that
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distracts me from, you know, like you were describing Dan and
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I agree, you're right. The weight, he says, is opposite
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of looking onto Jesus. And so anything that distracts
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us or pulls us away from Christ is a weight.
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And he says just just lay it aside.
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Just just put it aside. It doesn't say that it's a sin
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necessary. It just says, you know, you just
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take the weight and you set it aside so you can run.
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Because The thing is, is when you run a race, you you don't
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want any sort of additional weight.
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You know, most of your runners, they try and, and get as light
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as they possibly can. You know, because you don't want
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any extra weight bogging you down when you're on a 5K or 10K
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or whatever. The other thing that stood out
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to me is he, he gives us, he gives us the antidote or what we
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should do. He says let us run with
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patients. And, and when I think of running
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with patients, like when you run a race, you don't run all out
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for the whole 5K or 10K. You just, you can, unless you're
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Superman or the Energizer Bunny, But so you pace yourself, right?
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And so you might slow down when you're getting too winded or
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whatever. And to me, that's kind of like
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when you are experiencing maybe a hard time in your life or some
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sort of trial that you slow down, right?
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And, and then when things are good, you're, you're running
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full, full potential. So anyway, I just because the
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reality is, is this walk with Christ after you get saved is
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indeed a race. It's, it's like a marathon.
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And so we need to set every weight aside and every sin,
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whatever that is, if you're living with sin in your life,
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the Bible says that we have to turn to Jesus.
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And so, yeah, even after you get saved.
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Yeah. That's right, good stuff.
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I like that. This verse is extremely helpful.
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I would say I love these these verses here in Hebrews 12.
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OK, so the second-half, looking unto Jesus, the author, the
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finisher of our faith, who for the joy that was set before him
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endured the cross, despised the shame, and it sat down at the
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right hand of the throne of God. That looks to be like somebody
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that is confident and at peace with the way that he made and
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he's not looking to. He's not up there wringing his
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hands, is he? Any additional thoughts on verse
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2 there? Eric, I've always been intrigued
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by that comment. The author and finisher.
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I, I think you could take author in a couple different ways.
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I think that I think that he is the designer.
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In other words, I think he you like you even say the author of
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book like he wrote the wrote the plan like the Bible says that
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before the foundation of the world that the father and the
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son determined what they were going to do to save mankind.
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And so I think it's that sense, but I also think it's.
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It's like he had a course because I've that really stood
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out to me that verse 1, he says we need to run the race that is
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set before us. And then he says about Jesus
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that that something was set before him, which was the cross
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and the shame of it. So it's like he, he had this
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plan of what it was going to take to, to redeem mankind, and
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he started on that course and then he finished it right.
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In other words, he actually, he, he, and like I said, you could
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take that as deep or as shallow as you want, but he he wrote the
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he authored it like he's the he's the chief.
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I think that's the way it referred to it, like the chief
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for the Prince of of it. But but I also think it's deeper
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than that. I think he made the plan and he
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also in the sense is, is the he started out, he actually started
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out what Adam could should have and could have done, right.
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I mean, but he finished it, unlike Adam.
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So I don't know, like I said that that just really stood out
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to me because I'm playing on that fact that he says we have a
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race like we all have. It's going to look totally
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different for each person, but we all have life.
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Ahead of us it is. Set before us and Christ had a
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specific life or you know, literally as a man life set
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before him and he finished it in perfect faith, right.
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I mean he never I mean I was just talking to somebody
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yesterday I and I said that that's really that was what his
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temptation was was to step outside the plan right.
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I mean, that's one of the ways that Satan tempted him is to go
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against. The course.
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That is set beforehand, right? And that that was the
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temptation. So he actually authored it and
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finished it. And it's because of that he sat
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down throughout Hand of God, and because that all the rest of
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these earlier chapters are true, that He by himself purged our
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sins. Yeah, that's good.
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I, I too like that phrase. The author, the finisher, he
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wrote it, and then he actually was one of the characters that
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actually finished the plan. Yeah.
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Yeah, even some of the earlier references to Jesus, knowing
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that he can he's, he can be touched with the feeling of our
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infirmities. He too went through the same
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kind of faith that we have to patiently endure.
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He had some joy set before him, and because of that, he was able
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to endure the difficulties of life.
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He even endured the cross. And now you and I and the
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Hebrews alike, we are enduring, they were enduring great
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persecution and and encouragement to leave the
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Christian faith, to stop believing in Jesus.
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But because they have a joy set before them with witnesses
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clouding a cloud of witnesses there ahead of us, there should
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be that same kind of endurance in us that we can endure the
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cross, endure this, despise the shame.
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Sure, that's fine, but you can continue through all the
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difficulty. And so like Aaron already said,
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he is the origin of our faith. He's the author and the
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finisher. He, he, we're not trying to
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finish up our faith. He started it, He completed it.
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The story's been written, the work has been done.
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He sat down at the right hand of God.
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And so we enter into that faith. We have this cloud of witnesses,
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but we don't look to the witnesses, we look unto Jesus.
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So one thing that really is stands out to me here is that,
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you know, God has never needed anything.
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The Lord Jesus Christ wasn't here on earth and needing us to
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worship Him. He has all the worship, all the
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glory that He would ever need just from being who He is, that
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that, you know, glory radiates from him.
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He doesn't need us. So he didn't do this because he
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needed it. There wasn't this great urge in
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him to complete the cross and to do the cross because he had a
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need at the end. It was rather for joy.
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It was the joy that was set before him.
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There was something that was going to give him immense
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gratification, joy and celebration if he endured
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through the hardship. And so he looked to the joy that
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was set before him not to like, oh, I've got to do this, I have
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to do it. I have to obey God.
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I have to do the right thing. I've got to try to be a good
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person. I've got to cross the TS dot.
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The no, no. He had this great joy and hope
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set before him, and because of that he was able to endure all
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difficulties, and he was anointed with the oil of
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gladness above his fellows, even though he was called a man of
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sorrows. That should give us the same
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motivation. Don't put a list of do's and
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don'ts in front of you to try to endure to the end.
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Rather set the joy of knowing that you will be redeemed with
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Christ. You will be seated together with
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Him. There is a great joy set before
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us, and it should cause us to endure through the difficulties
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of life and to continue in the faith and to run with patience
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the race that is set before us. That's that's where we get our
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motivation. Motivation from knowing that
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Jesus endured and he sat down at the right hand of God, and now
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seeing that vision, having that before us is what gives us the
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joy to endure the difficulties. Amen, Melvin.
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Yeah, so when I think of the Arthur of our faith in Hebrews
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210, it said this. For it became him for whom are
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all things and by whom are all things in bringing many sons
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into glory to make the captain of their salvation perfect
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through sufferings. So Jesus is definitely the
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Arthur and he is telling us to that's what we need to focus on.
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We need to focus on Christ because he is the Arthur and the
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finisher and then the finisher. Hebrews 10/14 there's several
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verses, but this one I really like Hebrews 10/14 says for by
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one offering he have perfected forever than that are
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sanctified. So we can look to those kind of
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verses and I and I think it'd be good if we could look out, you
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know, a lot of those verses, but that helps us to to keep our
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focus on Christ and and know that we are sanctified, that he
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sanctified us forever. And that is he's the finisher
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like. And so one of the things that
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you were saying, Dan, about, you know, what did God need or
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whatever? One of the things that I thought
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of when you were saying that is one of the things that Christ
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will receive is, is a bride. What the Bible says that we are
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the bride of Christ. And so someday we are going to
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be, you know, seated around the wedding feast with Christ and
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he's going to receive his bride. And so when I think of that, you
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know, you think of of what you were saying joy, right?
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It just don't be in eternity. There's going to be this joy
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and, and being with Christ, being with the bride, being with
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the bridegroom and the bride coming together and it's going
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to be so glorious. And to be a part of that, all we
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have to do is believe by faith in the grace of Jesus Christ in
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the finished work of the cross. So that's so good.
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I I really love that because if, if, if we could remember to look
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to that and to focus on that as we are going.
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Here. Through on this race, you know,
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because you can't look on what you're experiencing or what
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you're going. Through or you're.
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Going to stop or you're going to crash you're going you're going
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you're not going to finish the race so I need to look unto
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Jesus the author finisher over faith and that and hey, he's
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sitting down at the right hand of the throne of God.
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That's what it says, says that several places in the Bible.
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And so he his work is finished and he's waiting to to receive
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his bride. Yeah, that's good.
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I had to think earlier in Hebrews 2 it says in verse 10
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For it became him for whom are all things, and by whom are all
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things that bring him in his sons of the glory, to make the
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captain of their salvation part. But it became Him.
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You know, I'd like what you were you guys were saying about the
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joy and the joy that was set before him and it was actually
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becoming to him, which if you think of that word becoming,
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it's to make beautiful, made him beautiful, to endure that cross
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and that shade and bringing many sons to glory.
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Just yeah. Beautiful picture.
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OK three. Or consider him that endured
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such contradiction of sinners against himself, lest ye be
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weary and fate in your mind. Now here is the weight that does
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so easily beset us. This is the hard part of this
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faith journey. I liked how you said that, Dan
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Gretching just goes on and on and on, but he says, lest you be
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weird and say that's going to be our enemy where it is and
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faintness that is going to be the enemy of faith right there.
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Plain and simple. Anyway, Aaron.
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Yeah, I think he's trying to bring out the point that
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regardless of what they are going through, regardless what
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kind of persecution, what kind of discouragement, whatever the
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life was throwing at him, it doesn't compare to what Christ
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did. In fact, this is not.
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I mean, obviously it's not a coincidence.
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He's going to go right on to say that you forgot that God has
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even said sometimes he's going to chasten you, right?
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He's going to give you uncomfortable things to make you
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grow. He's going to go on to say that
30:34
in just a second. So.
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So here's my point. He's saying when you get
30:40
discouraged and you think, why me?
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Why am I going through this? Or is this worth going through
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this? Is it worth all that is being
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asked of me to give up? Is it worth it?
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He says, think about Christ, you know, like, and I'm going to tie
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this with what he said here. You might go through something
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in life that actually God is chastening you for something
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else. And I mean, and, and that may be
31:07
the case. He's saying Christ could up with
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all the shame, all the reproaches and all that, and he
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actually didn't deserve any of it, right?
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In other words, it was all it was taught, it was all totally
31:22
undeserved. It was all a total contradiction
31:26
to who he really was, right? It all totally contradicted who
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he actually was. And that's what he's saying.
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Consider him that endured such contradiction, contradictions of
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sinners against himself, lest ye be weary and faint in your
31:39
minds. In other words, it's like saying
31:42
if you get discouraged and say why me or why am I going through
31:45
this? Or it seems like life always
31:47
hand bad things to me. Think about Christ and what he
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what he went through totally undeserving and he says that
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should make you want to keep on going right?
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He did that for you. Totally undeserving.
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Yeah, that's good. I was thinking very much along
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the same line, so I won't reiterate too much, but
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something that was pointed out to me years ago is sometimes
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skeptics of the faith or maybe Christians who have become
32:13
bitter against God will say things like if he really loved
32:17
me, he wouldn't allow this kind of thing to happen, or if he
32:19
really loved the world, this wouldn't happen.
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We know that the Lord Jesus fully pleased God and God loved
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him to the NTH degree like he he was, he loved his Son, He was
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well pleased with Him, and yet he endured such contradiction of
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sinners, yet he suffered. So the fact that you're
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suffering or someone else that you love might be suffering is
32:38
not indicative of God not being there or God not being loving.
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He does let his people suffer, and sometimes for good reasons,
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sometimes for reasons you might not know.
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But like Aaron already pointed out, you think your plight and
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is strange and unfair at times. But there's nothing as unfair as
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the Lord Jesus suffering. It doesn't make any sense.
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There's no reason for he didn't someone else where many of our
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sufferings are of our own doing or the result of a life that we
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lived a certain way or that our parents lived a certain way.
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So not only did they physically try and eventually did, always
33:16
trying to trip him up in his words, he was constantly having
33:19
difficulties, everyday people coming at him.
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One very difficult thing to deal with is having some someone
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contradicting you, someone going against you.
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It weighs on your mind and you sometimes you lose sleep because
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you know that there's somebody out there who's contradicting
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you. Well, Jesus had that constantly,
33:35
continuously, and he never deserved it once.
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And so don't give up in your mind.
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Don't be weary. And well, doing all these
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commands should be coming back to our minds throughout the book
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of Hebrews. Run with patience.
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Yeah, that's. Good, Melvin.
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Yeah, in verse 2 he said look unto Jesus.
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So, so when we look unto Jesus, we're actually, you know,
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looking at Christ. It's something we do with our
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eyes and then he says here in verse three, he says for
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consider him and when we consider him, we do that with
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our minds. We think of what Christ
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suffered, the contradiction like you were saying then the
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contradiction that he took from sinners.
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It says against himself. He's saying we need to consider
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Christ in that so that we don't get weary and faint in what
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we're going through. Right, because the all reality
34:38
is is when, when, when we're facing something hard in our
34:43
life, it's like the IT like if we don't watch ourselves, it
34:48
consumes us, so to speak, like it's the only thing that you can
34:52
think about and see, so to speak, like it's almost like the
34:56
rest of the world is not functioning around you.
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So to be but he's he's saying, look, not look.
35:04
He's saying consider, see. He says there that you be not
35:07
faint in your mind. So he's uses that word mind.
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And then the, the antidote for that is consider, think about
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what Christ suffered and he didn't like you said, Dan, he
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didn't have to do it right. I mean, he he did it because he
35:29
loved. He loved us and he wanted to
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spend eternity with us. Amen.
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Finally, brethren, whatsoever things are true, whatsoever
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things are honest, whatsoever things are just, whatsoever
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things are pure, whatsoever things are lovely, whatsoever
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things are of good report, on and on and on.
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Think of these things. Amen.
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They will actually lift you above despair.
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That's right. Honestly, actually can.
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I've experienced it myself. Yeah, that's good stuff right
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there. Hey, verse 4, ye have not yet
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resisted unto blood striving against Sid.
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Any additional comments? I think that goes kind of with
36:07
what we've been saying. But Aaron, any anything
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additional to death? Yeah, that's why I said what I
36:12
said is I think he's pointing out in verse 4, they've not yet
36:16
died for their faith, but the keyword in that is yet they
36:20
might. Do that all right.
36:22
They may be asked to die for the faith.
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They've not yet done that. But even if they're asked to,
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it's not unjust, right? I mean, just like Dan said
36:31
there, God asked his son to die and allowed him to suffer all
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that in, I mean, obviously for a purpose, but without cause,
36:42
right? Without a without a single
36:46
accusation that they made being true or in other words, he he
36:50
was falsely accused and yet suffered all that false
36:55
accusation. And like Dan said, every time
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they tried to pin him down for something he said he actually
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spoke nothing but truth, right. So all those things, you know,
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and like I said that. So I really just said that to
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say, regardless of what a person goes through, he's not being
37:14
treated unjustly or or handled differently than what God's own
37:19
son was handled. Yeah, because we deserve grief
37:23
from our own mistakes and from the sin that we committed or the
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sin that we're surrounded in. We deserve that.
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Jesus didn't. It has just not just as you get,
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Dad. A really good example, slightly
37:37
off topic, but it fits because I once years ago when I was first
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understanding that we're not trying to die to our sins every
37:45
day that we are indeed dead indeed descends.
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I had somebody bring me this verse and say, look, he's
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encouraging us to strive unto blood against our sin.
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I'm like no, no, no, just read the context like we did it here
37:59
today. It's very obvious there was
38:01
sinners working contrary. They were contradicting Jesus,
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and he strove against it unto blood.
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He he actually went so far to resist sinners that it led to
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his own physical bloodshed. You know, the Jews of his day
38:16
were not yet at the point where their families and kinfolk of
38:20
the Jews of this day during the Hebrews letter were not yet
38:23
being killed for their faith, by the sounds of it.
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And they were only suffering contradiction.
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But Jesus was not only verbally opposed, not only physically
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opposed, they didn't just try to throw him off a Cliff.
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They actually did end up crucifying him and and beating
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him to a bloody pulp. So don't think of that bit of
38:41
difficulty that you're having as so strange.
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You know, the cloud of witnesses before suffered.
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Jesus himself suffered, and he went through it with joy.
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And so we have not yet resisted unto the point of bloodshed.
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So stop complaining and take it patiently.
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It seems like he's telling us. Yeah, no, I think you covered it
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pretty well. I just, you know, like you said,
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Jesus suffered so much that he strived against sin.
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It's saying it's not saying that we strive against sin.
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It's just pointing out that Christ strive against sin and
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that's that's why he was sweating those droplets of blood
39:19
there in the garden of Gethsemane before he went to the
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cross. Some of the love it was because
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of the he knew, you know what he had to drink that cup, that of
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our sin. And so, yeah, it's very good.
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Yep. OK Verse 5 And ye have forgotten
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the exhortation with which speaketh unto you as unto
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children, my son, despise not thou the chaste of the Lord, nor
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faint, when thou art rebuked of him.
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For whom the Lord loveth, he chasteeth, and scourges every
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son whom he receiveth. Yeah, I mean just.
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Finishes out what what he's been saying here.
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Go ahead, Aaron. I totally believe that this
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would apply to all people. Like I think when he says
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everybody, when he says that we all have endured chastening and
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if you haven't, you're a bastard, not a son.
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Like I think that this is applicable to all of all of his
40:28
sons, like that day all the way up to present.
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But I also think, and I want I, well, I'll say it like this.
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I wondered if this isn't also pretty specific to these people.
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This is the Hebrews. So they're getting ready.
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I don't know, timeline. I'm not good with that.
40:46
I've not done a whole lot of research, but the, the Jewish
40:50
people as a whole are getting ready to go through the 70AD
40:54
ordeal and all that. Like, I think that this could be
40:59
very specific to them in the sense that God is rebuking his
41:04
children, right? You know, like he's really is
41:07
rebuking his, his own children like these chosen people.
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But like I said, I'm not, I'm not erasing.
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I think this is applicable to all of us.
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But I do think specifically they could have thought back on all
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those times that God had rebuked his people and over ago over
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again, he had rebuked that nation.
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But like I said, I'm not I'm not taken away from what I actually
41:33
think it means. I do think it is a like I said
41:36
earlier, it is a recognition or a reminder that sometimes you go
41:42
through things the Bible says that time and chance happens to
41:46
them all. Like there's things that happen
41:47
to people that are truly time and chance.
41:50
You think about Job story, God allowed the devil to come in and
41:55
do all those horrible things to him.
41:57
There are different explanations for why bad things happen to
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God's people, but he says you all have forgotten that God
42:06
himself said sometimes you're going to go through hardship
42:09
because I'm rebuking you right? And he says, but he goes on to
42:13
say in these next few verses that if God is rebuking you, it
42:18
is for your prophet. It's not because he's just I'm
42:21
mad at you. He is hoping to have some good
42:24
outcome, just like the parent has a good or should have a good
42:31
outcome when they rebuke their child or when they are
42:33
chastening their child. They are hoping to turn that
42:36
child's character into a better person than what they would have
42:39
been had they not rebuked that child.
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So, but, but like I said, I'd be more than glad to hear what you
42:45
all think of if it is, if it does ring truer to them because
42:50
of the nation, the people that he's addressing or not, but I
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don't know. Yeah.
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That's good, Dad. Yeah, to me this is this is
43:00
encouraging that he Romans 828 one of the most famous verses
43:05
right. God works all things together
43:07
for the good of them that love God and are called according to
43:09
his purpose. The the fact that whatever
43:12
suffering or difficulty you go with go through, whether it's
43:15
actually God rebuking us or whether it's just circumstances
43:19
happening to us. We know that God's going to work
43:22
it out for our good in some way. So that Hebrew Christians here,
43:25
they were tempted to become impatient, waiting for the
43:29
redemption that they were told was nigh, waiting for Christ's
43:33
return, they were told was just around the corner and they're
43:36
tempted to give up. And he says, can't you see that
43:39
I'm kind of rebuking here, you here, I'm trying to make you
43:43
realize that you have to continue on.
43:45
You have to push through. I'm chasing you.
43:48
I'm rebuking you through these trials, through these tests,
43:51
through these circumstances. Because I might put my child
43:54
through a series of tests to see if they will actually heed my
43:58
word and if they will continue even when I'm not there.
44:02
You know, put something out like you see these little videos
44:05
where they'll take a 2 year old and they'll put like some candy
44:08
in front of him. They'll set the video camera up
44:10
and they'll say hey now don't touch this.
44:12
I'll be right back. I'll be back in like 2 minutes.
44:14
I got something really good for you.
44:15
And you can see the kid is like reaching for it pulls back,
44:19
reaching for it pulls back. There's just real urge like
44:23
this. I really, really want that
44:25
thing. But the, the parent is kind of
44:27
testing the child to see if they'll obey whether they're
44:30
watching or not. And I think God does that kind
44:33
of stuff to us all the time. OK, now your feelings are gone.
44:36
You don't have that joyful feeling that you once had.
44:38
Are you going to continue in the faith?
44:40
OK, now you've failed in some way.
44:43
And I saw your failure, failure coming.
44:45
I knew you were going to fail. Are you going to despair?
44:47
Are you going to give up? Are you, how's your faith now,
44:50
Right. And so all these different
44:51
things that come upon us, they are God's chastening of us.
44:54
They're God's dealing with us as with sons.
44:57
He's trying to grow us and make us more mature.
45:01
In chapter 6, I believe it was, he said that we ought to have
45:05
been teachers by now, that we should be able to leave aside
45:08
these these doctrinal basic principles and move on to
45:11
deeper, better things. But he said, I can't quite give
45:14
you the meat yet because you're not actually growing.
45:17
But now I'm trying to tell you like, hey, all these things have
45:19
been coming upon you because I'm testing you.
45:22
I'm trying to show you the right way.
45:24
At times I'm even rebuking you to you have to continue in the
45:28
faith, just like all your Saints of old, all the cloud of
45:31
witnesses that have gone before us, they all strove this way.
45:35
Jesus himself strove this way. And now don't think that because
45:39
you're going through hard times, it's because I've forsaken you.
45:42
It's because I love you and you're my child.
45:44
And I always chasten my children.
45:46
I always rebuke my children. I want them all to grow up and
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be mature, right? That's good, preacher.
45:55
Yeah, I love that. Yeah, I think you're right,
45:59
Aaron. I mean, he is writing obviously
46:02
to the Hebrew believers here. So some of this is obviously for
46:06
for them, but it is also for us. Good, he says.
46:10
You know who, what son, if you, if he God doesn't chastise you,
46:15
then you're a bastard and not a son.
46:17
And so, but anyway, I, you know, when I think of, of God chasing
46:27
us, a lot of people when things are happening in their life,
46:32
whatever it is a, some sort of trial or whatever and right of
46:36
ways they're thinking, you know, what is God doing?
46:39
And sometimes he is, but it's not always a lot of times when
46:46
we like for my in my own life, when I feel like God is chasing
46:51
me. And I don't know what you guys
46:53
would say, what it seems like to you and God has chased me.
46:57
But what seems like to me is like when I do something, let's
47:02
just say I get upset at my wife or, or one of my children or
47:07
whatever, and, and I just flip, you know, and then right
47:12
afterward, it's just like, you're just like, oh, you know,
47:15
and it's like God is speaking to me and it's saying, look, that
47:20
you, you shouldn't have done that, right?
47:22
He, he doesn't necessarily, you know, like physically, actually
47:29
lash us or scourge us, so to speak.
47:32
It's just like in your spirit, you, you, you just feel.
47:35
And you're like, oh, yeah, sorry.
47:37
You know, you're right, I shouldn't have done it.
47:39
So we go back and, and to their child or spouse and, and say,
47:44
you know, look, I messed up, I'm sorry.
47:47
And and, and we thank God for forgiving us, you know, and then
47:52
and, and through those experiences, we grow.
47:55
I mean, that's why look what it says there.
47:57
It says for whom the Lord loveth, he chasteneth.
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So the the key is, is that when he's chasing us, it's because he
48:06
loves us and he wants us to grow.
48:08
That's why we chasing our children, you know, because we
48:12
want them to grow and we love them.
48:15
And most times they're, when we have to chase them, they are
48:19
doing something pretty stupid or selfish, right?
48:22
And that's oftentimes what happens when I feel like God is
48:26
chasing me. I'm being, you know, selfish and
48:29
just being stupid. And so anyway, that's what I see
48:34
here. It's just, and not everything
48:38
that God does is he's, or how should I say I said that wrong.
48:42
Not everything that is happening to us is God chasing us.
48:46
I think for myself, when you're born again and you have the
48:51
Spirit in you, you can tell when God is chasing you.
48:56
Or that's kind of my experience, I guess.
48:59
So yeah. I and that brings a good I was,
49:03
I was going to bring this up anyway.
49:06
Like I've, I've heard a great deal of Bible students, maybe I
49:12
would call them talk about, you know, whether is is this God
49:16
chased when this happened? Is this God chased you or when
49:19
this happens to that God? Or is this just this, you know,
49:21
a whole lot of effort goes into trying to discern what it is
49:25
that God is chasing you with or if it is him chased again, if it
49:30
is, what for why? But I don't think that actually
49:34
is important. What, what is important that the
49:38
context here and what he is looking to have us do is realize
49:44
that a temporary distress is just an opportunity to exercise
49:50
faith, right? So do we need to decipher that
49:55
this is a question for you guys that I, that I really is it
49:57
important that we decipher whether it is God chasting us or
50:01
it's like Job where it was just an act of, of the power of God
50:07
there that that really wasn't, it wasn't it wasn't chasting Job
50:12
or anything really. It was just battle going on and
50:16
God had a point to prove. You know, what, what, what do
50:19
you think? Is it important that we discern
50:20
this kind of stuff? I was going to bring.
50:24
Go ahead. Sorry, Melvin, go ahead.
50:26
I was just going to say, if we're in my mind, if we're
50:30
trying to figure out if God is chasing us or what he's chasing
50:35
us for, we're already losing the point.
50:37
Like, you know, because he because he said we're to look to
50:42
Jesus. And the simple fact is, is that,
50:47
you know, God is wanting us to grow in our faith.
50:51
And so we shouldn't be focusing on what The thing is or what the
50:55
whatever we're experiencing or why.
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Yeah. I'm afraid it brings a lot of
51:00
kind of duplicity and just kind of like if you try to analyze
51:03
this, Dan, go ahead. I was going to say, you could
51:06
kind of take almost anything that comes at you as a test from
51:10
God, no matter the difficulty. Like in fact this sentence here
51:14
I noticed it begins with the word and you have not suffered.
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You have not resisted rather unto blood striving against sin.
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Jesus dealt with contradiction of sinners.
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So sinners were coming at Jesus and in Paul, the author here
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says you've not yet resisted against sinners striving against
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sin unto blood, and you have forgotten the exhortation.
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So it's almost like he's saying the fact that people are coming
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against you, the fact that you're facing difficulties, the
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fact that maybe somebody doesn't like you, the fact that you
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maybe have lost your job, all of that could be seen as God
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rebuking me. God's trying to teach me
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something here. God's trying to show me
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something. And you don't have to over
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spiritualize this. Some people get way too way too
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spiritual about it. You know, that was a hot day
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today and God was trying to teach me and maybe he was.
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You don't have to point out everything as this great
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spiritual thing, but you can receive every difficulty, every
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trial, every circumstance in your life, whether it's
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contradiction of sinners, whether it's a loss of a job,
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whether it's a, you know, a stubbed toe.
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You can say, Lord, what do I need to learn from this?
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How am I supposed to be instructed by this?
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I remember once I never really experienced rage.
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I'm I'm pretty, pretty calm person for the most part.
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I don't get that angry at people.
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And and one day my dog, after several times of trying to pray
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him to not eat my chickens, he was eating a chicken again.
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And and I was so consumed with rage.
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Like I had murderous rage. I mean, it sounds ridiculous to
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say it, but I was like, oh, this is so irritating.
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I, I just wanted to beat the dog and I was like, I'm not going to
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over spiritualize this, but this just showed me something.
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I've got some serious things to learn about controlling my
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emotions and about not losing my cool on something that I can't
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control or that the dog can't even control.
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It's just innate nature. That's tough.
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Off topic, but everything that happens to us is happening so
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that we can receive it as from the Lord, even if it's not God
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doing it. Like Melvin said, it's not like
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God is controlling all these pieces, constantly trying to do
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stuff to us. But something happens and we can
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say, OK, Lord, what can I learn from this?
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How are you perhaps rebuking me through this, even if you didn't
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do it directly right? No, I appreciate that.
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Yeah. And I would say too, kind of, I
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don't know, I no, I totally agree.
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And I guess that's I got, I guess I would say that I would
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build on that and say there's nothing wrong with wondering if
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I have done something that has caused God to be chasing me.
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Because let's, because, you know, think about it's, it's
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chasing and skirts, right? It's not just like chasing would
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be a lighter thing. That'd be like a teaching moment
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or whatever. But scourging is always like
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without exception, that is a spanking, right?
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I mean, that's, you know, like that, that's a beating.
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So I guess I would just say there's nothing wrong with
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saying have I done something that would make God be trying to
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get my attention here like I in my opinion, and the reason I say
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that partly is because James 1 he says and verse 2 my brethren,
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count it all joy when you fall into divers temptations.
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Knowing this, it's trying your faith work with patience, but
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let patience have our perfect work that you may be perfect and
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entire lacking or wanting nothing right.
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So it's like you all said that the goal is is that you would
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grow in your in your faith. But then he says, if any of you
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like wisdom, let him ask God give us to all men liberally and
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upbraise not and it shall be given in.
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So I've always thought that that's he's opening the door for
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you to say is what? What is What is this right?
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Is this a in my opinion, I think he's off.
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He is opening the door for you to say, what is this?
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Is this not just what is this lesson to learn?
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But is there something that I am doing that is causing God to
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literally spank me? Right?
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You know, So yeah, by all means, I totally agree with you all.
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There are people that just have went overboard with it and they
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and it's basically crippled them in life so that they feel that
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all the things are God rebuking them and, and I so I do think it
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is it can be crippling to some people.
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But on the other hand, I would also, I wouldn't want people to
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never to never realize that the verse is saying God sometimes is
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rebuking you to get your attention.
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You know what I mean? In other words, if you say
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forget about it and don't don't ever look at it as a chastening
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or don't ever worry about whether it's a chastening, then
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you are kind of doing away with the verse that says, I mean, he
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goes on. Think about it from verse 5 to
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verse 11 is all about chastening.
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Like it's a whole big passage about it.
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And he basically wounds up saying you know that it is going
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to yield a, a fruit hopefully, but it's not fun.
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It's not fun at the time. Yeah, that's for sure.
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I, I tell my guys at at work that every time that you meet a
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a difficult situation with a difficult customer, that is
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where that is an opportunity to set ourselves apart from how
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anyone else would handle it. Set ourselves apart as a company
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in having good customer service standards.
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If we all we have is easy to get along with customers, it's
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impossible anyone can get along with those.
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There's there's no glory in getting along with someone
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that's nice to you. Really, it's not.
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But it there's no glory, there's no glory.
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But what is incredible is if you have that abrasive customer and
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yet you do the right thing that is.
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And I think that is kind of the context here.
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If you look at it holistically, what he is saying is that these
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chastings, whether they're chastings or they're just a
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stupid decision that you made, whichever one, sometimes they
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look a lot alike. The point is, are you taking
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this opportunity to display faith or character or, you know,
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whatever it is that, that that's, that's what it looks
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like if you back up a little bit away.
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So I, I think sometimes we go astray a little bit when we try
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to analyze whether this was a, you know, a chase thing or did I
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just whatever. But and sometimes when I when
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things, sometimes things happen just because of my own
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stupidity, I mean, that just is a reality.
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But I like what you said, Dan, to me.
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So we got to remember we're in the context of fate still in
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this, right? And so I like what you were
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saying, Dan, that the point that you made about, you know, that
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we should be looking at when things happen in our life, like
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maybe what can I get out of this?
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Or how can I grow out of this? Because that's what God is
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looking for is he wants a, you know, he's, he's telling them
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here, don't turn away from Christ, like, don't go back to
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the law. Keep the faith, keep your keep
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your eyes on Jesus. And, and so that's, that's the,
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that's good, because that is faith, right?
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I mean that's part of of faith is is what are my can I learn
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about you, Father, you know, out of this right and and so and
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looking at it not necessarily as him being evil towards you or
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I'll willed towards you, but that he loves you and and that
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you can trust him right that because he is.
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What was that verse? It said that I can't, I can't
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think of it. But anyway, he he has his best
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interest for you. Yep, absolutely.
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Anything else that you really want to say about shades or
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chasing? All right, I'll We'll hold our
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tongue. I was wondering if you're just
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if you're watching the clock anyway, all the test I was I was
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looking to see might have been chased it if you would have
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spoke up. All right, yeah, all righty
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sounds good. Well, hey, I appreciate everyone
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being on tonight. I was blessed.
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That was a good study. As we conclude today's study,
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remember Hebrews 11/1. Faith is the substance of things
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hoped for, the evidence of things not seen.
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And we pray that your faith would reveal biblical truths
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even more clearly than your physical eyes and perceive the
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things before you. Join us next Monday as we
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continue to look at God's Word through the substance of faith.
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God bless you guys. Thanks for your time and we'll
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see you next Monday.