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Jags Drive Time: Monday, July 26 · The Jacksonville Jaguars Official Podcast Network

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Speaker 1: Welcome to Jacks Drive Time with Ashlyn Sullim Sounds, John Oceans,
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Speaker 1: Bryan Sexton, Jacks Drive Time, it starts right now. If
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Speaker 1: we all said right here, after putting this stame together
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Speaker 1: six months and just ever then you got and then
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Speaker 1: we'll regroup after that. Tell me what else you got
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Speaker 1: to do for six months. For the rest of your life,
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Speaker 1: you'll never forget this big party. History of the Jaguars
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Speaker 1: and the stadium is awesome. Jackson goes awesome. Now we
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Speaker 1: got win some damn games. Oh. In TV terms, that's
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Speaker 1: back Jaguars Drive Time and it's two guys, Hi, John O, Jerry,
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Speaker 1: Brian Sexton, Ashland Sullivan back here with you for the
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Speaker 1: first Jaguars Drive Time of the official season. That was
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Speaker 1: the last episode of the Hunt. If you did not
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Speaker 1: spend your summer vacation watching it, go Jaguars dot com
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Speaker 1: Jaguars YouTube and check it out. They did a great
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Speaker 1: job kind of sad it's over. Very well. Then well
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Speaker 1: there's a lot more story to tell, which just get
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Speaker 1: told in a different way. Very true. Yeah, kudos to
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Speaker 1: the gang. Kudos to Max Hawkman and the Gang for
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Speaker 1: the hunting. Great job. I will have you know that,
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Speaker 1: John Os, You're walked in here this morning and said
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Speaker 1: that this is his year. He is going to be
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Speaker 1: better than ever things are looking. I'm very happy for you.
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Speaker 1: Do you want to elaborate on that? Do you elaborate exactly? Well?
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Speaker 1: Training camp coming here shortly, starting on Wednesday, and that
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Speaker 1: leads us right into big things. Let's just go ahead
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Speaker 1: and do it. Big thing one is it's here. Training
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Speaker 1: campus here starts Wednesday on the field, practices open to
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Speaker 1: the public Thursday, Friday and Saturday. It's here, and it's
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Speaker 1: real this year. And the point we're trying to make
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Speaker 1: here is that last year it was just odd. Training
2:05
Speaker 1: camp was a really odd time. There weren't fans in
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Speaker 1: the stand. So we're finally getting somewhat back to normal
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Speaker 1: this year and fans all have the chance to watch
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Speaker 1: this guy, Trevor Lawrence for the first time, as well
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Speaker 1: as head coach Urban Meyer, run a training camp practice
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Speaker 1: and you will have the chance starting on Thursday. Big
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Speaker 1: thing too, is it's still here. And this kind of
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Speaker 1: brings us to the point, while yes, it's a little
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Speaker 1: bit back to normal, it's still not completely normal. And
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Speaker 1: that is because what you're seeing on this screen, which
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Speaker 1: is a contact tracer COVID, is still very much a
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Speaker 1: thing in the NFL is following the rules as well
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Speaker 1: as here of of how they can keep players safe
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Speaker 1: as much as possible. So we'll do the best we can,
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Speaker 1: but it's not completely back to normal, and I have
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Speaker 1: a feeling that's kind of how this season is going
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Speaker 1: to go. And finally, big thing three is what's still
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Speaker 1: to come. We have a lot of questions of how
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Speaker 1: training camp will be run, and if off season programs
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Speaker 1: are any indication, it's gonna be fast, it's gonna be intense,
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Speaker 1: and there's gonna be a lot of competition for us
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Speaker 1: to view. This is one of the most monumental off
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Speaker 1: seasons in Jaguar's history, Brian, and so much of what's
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Speaker 1: still to come is this guy's decision. Has coach aban Meyer,
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Speaker 1: there have been I mean, the most monumental off season
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Speaker 1: in billion history. I mean, I'm not counting before when
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Speaker 1: they were building the whole thing. But you know what
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Speaker 1: in two thousand three when they changed coaches and brought
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Speaker 1: Jack del Rio in and shifted from Tom Coughlin, But
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Speaker 1: that was a seismic shift, but not like this one.
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Speaker 1: I think the most remarkable thing is that One in
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Speaker 1: fifteen is really, really bad, and normally, as a team
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Speaker 1: is attempting to claw away from that, there's a stigma
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Speaker 1: attached to it. There's it's you talk about the muck
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Speaker 1: that this franchise has been in. You get one foot out,
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Speaker 1: and then there's you know, you're still trying to pull
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Speaker 1: the other one out, and then the other one gets stuck.
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Speaker 1: And not this year. I mean, no one's even thinking
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Speaker 1: about what One in fifteen was. It's not a hangover,
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Speaker 1: it's not something lingering over. And I think a large
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Speaker 1: part it's because of Urban Meyer and the way that
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Speaker 1: he's come in and gone way out of his way
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Speaker 1: to change everything he can that has any stigma attached
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Speaker 1: to what was, and it now is about what is.
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Speaker 1: And that's really the question. What is it? We found
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Speaker 1: out on Wednesday, Well, I've spent time in the MUCKs
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Speaker 1: lens and it's hard to get out and The point
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Speaker 1: is the reason it's hard to get out of the
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Speaker 1: muck in the NFL is you're in the muck and
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Speaker 1: then you draft a quarterback number seven and he's not
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Speaker 1: quite the right guy, and then you're back in it. Well,
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Speaker 1: the muck changed when Trevor Lawrence got drafted. Um to me, Brian,
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Speaker 1: I've said since day one of Urban Meyer, this feels
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Speaker 1: like to me in the sense that everything's new. And
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Speaker 1: to your point, you're exactly right. Nobody's talking about the past,
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Speaker 1: and there was no past. But I think the reason
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Speaker 1: nobody's talking about the past is as close as you
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Speaker 1: can get to feeling like an expansion team. This team does.
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Speaker 1: But they had the advantage over that of already having
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Speaker 1: guys like Josh Allen. They already have guys like Brandon
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Speaker 1: lender D. You know, they already had a core of players.
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Speaker 1: So there is a feeling that it can get better
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Speaker 1: than an expansion team really fast. Well, let's go back.
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Speaker 1: I think we talked about this. Last year was a
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Speaker 1: good year to be a bad team because the possibility
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Speaker 1: existed that you could flip it quickly. I'm not talking
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Speaker 1: about record, right because we can debate what the record
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Speaker 1: is or what it should be or what it could be.
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Speaker 1: I'm talking about. The storyline is now Trevor Lawrence and
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Speaker 1: the future and not as you just mentioned. Well, he's
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Speaker 1: Byron left which capable of being a front line quarterback.
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Speaker 1: They drafted this kid playing Gabbert and he played in
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Speaker 1: the shotgun most of the time, but he looks the part.
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Speaker 1: Or here's Blake Bortles who took UCF right. Other quarterbacks
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Speaker 1: they drafted, they totally flipped in the script. Last year
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Speaker 1: was a good year to be a bad team strategically speaking. Man,
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Speaker 1: they have set themselves up right now to take this
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Speaker 1: thing in a completely different direction. And let's be honest,
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Speaker 1: they probably and have Urban Meyers their head coach. If
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Speaker 1: they don't have that guy absolutely exactly, I think he
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Speaker 1: hasn't said it. I think it's really fair to assume
6:07
Speaker 1: that's the case based on his previous comments. This is
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Speaker 1: a perfect situation to start things. Yet, to start things
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Speaker 1: not perfect. When you look at the roster. There are
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Speaker 1: places that you find holes and things that need to
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Speaker 1: be fixed. But it is a perfect situation for this
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Speaker 1: franchise to have the quarterback and the coach aligned, and
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Speaker 1: the coach's attitude as you saw in that tease. You know,
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Speaker 1: now we've got to go in some damn games. There's
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Speaker 1: nobody that disagrees with that very much. And you look
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Speaker 1: at those holes, and we're going to talk about some
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Speaker 1: of those holes on this show this morning, and and
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Speaker 1: there's so many questions, but now is the time when
6:38
Speaker 1: you start figuring that out. Like the biggest question I
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Speaker 1: had throughout this off sneon is did they do enough
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Speaker 1: on the defensive line to stop the run this season?
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Speaker 1: Now is when we kind of start finding that out.
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Speaker 1: If they are going to be competitive in training camp?
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Speaker 1: Do you feel a little bit better about that going
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Speaker 1: into this month? Now, I think you're gonna feel a
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Speaker 1: lot better in training camp at the defensive line because
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Speaker 1: it's gonna look right they did. I thought they did
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Speaker 1: as much as they could in that area. I thought
7:02
Speaker 1: overall in the off season they did as much as
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Speaker 1: they could. It's difficult to fix all holes in the
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Speaker 1: NFL because sometimes you have to fix holes through the
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Speaker 1: draft because free agents that you really want to fix
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Speaker 1: holes aren't available. Defensive line is per for example, that
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Speaker 1: nobody's giving up Aaron Donald. You have to draft that
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Speaker 1: guy and develop it. Within the framework of what they
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Speaker 1: could do. In one offseason they did, we started finding
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Speaker 1: out what they're gonna be able to do. To me.
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Speaker 1: I still think big thing too is really fascinating because
7:31
Speaker 1: before you go I guess you're talking about Yeah, I
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Speaker 1: need to real quick. It's important that people remember you
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Speaker 1: don't have to draft um Derek Brown, the big kid
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Speaker 1: from Auburn or the big kid from Alabama whose name
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Speaker 1: I forget who went in the second round this year, Right,
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Speaker 1: Christian Barmore, you don't have you could be better against
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Speaker 1: the run without those guys. I mean, go get Malcolm Brown. Uh.
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Speaker 1: Devon Hamilton's has improved this year. Scheme wise is different.
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Speaker 1: They can be dramatic improved against the run without having
8:02
Speaker 1: filled it with big names. Now you like to hit
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Speaker 1: on an Air and Donald and what that does for you.
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Speaker 1: But this run defense has the potential. Despite the fact
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Speaker 1: that people say, well, Alcolm Brown was the first round
8:11
Speaker 1: pick of the Patriots and the Saints trade in them,
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Speaker 1: so how good forget all of that. It's what Joe
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Speaker 1: Colin does with them and what he asked them to
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Speaker 1: do that will determine whether they're better, and the possibility
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Speaker 1: still exists. They can be dramatically better on a big
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Speaker 1: thing too, I had to um, it still feels and
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Speaker 1: a big thing too is about the COVID and how
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Speaker 1: it's still here. A couple of months ago, it felt
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Speaker 1: like this was going to be pretty normal. Um now
8:44
Speaker 1: it feels like it's going to be, as you alluded
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Speaker 1: to in the beginning, Shalane, more normal. But it still
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Speaker 1: feels like there's going to be navigating to it. And
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Speaker 1: last year was would they get sick? And the question
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Speaker 1: this year is will they get the vaccine? Right? I mean,
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Speaker 1: that's the really interesting right now, John, is because you
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Speaker 1: have a few teams that are well up above that threshold,
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Speaker 1: You've got a lot of teams that are a long
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Speaker 1: way from it, and it will be interesting to see.
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Speaker 1: I'm sure you saw the story, uh that they're going
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Speaker 1: to use different color wristbands and a lot of NFL
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Speaker 1: franchises to identify besides the mask, who is and who
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Speaker 1: isn't and how you bring these guys together. And and
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Speaker 1: you know, you read any of the national columns this
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Speaker 1: morning and they're talking about vaccine, vaccine, vaccine. Heck, how
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Speaker 1: about Rick Dennison in the story that broke last week
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Speaker 1: that he was going to part ways the longtime defensive
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Speaker 1: coach with the Vikings because he didn't want to get
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Speaker 1: the vaccine. And then bang bang, there were a couple
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Speaker 1: of other coaches and that did the same thing. The
9:39
Speaker 1: vaccine is the interesting story this year because you can't
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Speaker 1: mandate that somebody get it right um, and yet the
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Speaker 1: league is is difficult circumstantially. They are creating circumstances where
9:56
Speaker 1: you're thinking, why don't I just get the stupid vaccine
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Speaker 1: and be done with this something. It won't ever feel
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Speaker 1: that way. I would be the guy that says I'm
10:02
Speaker 1: just gonna get it because I want to take the
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Speaker 1: mask off. That's why I did it in the first place,
10:05
Speaker 1: right Um. But there will be players that will finally
10:08
Speaker 1: go I'm tired of not being able to leave the hotel,
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Speaker 1: I'm tired of not being able to eat with my teammates,
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Speaker 1: I'm tired of wearing this mask around. They'll go ahead
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Speaker 1: and get it. And the biggest thing to me if
10:17
Speaker 1: I'm a player is the financial implication now that the
10:20
Speaker 1: new rules that came out last week. If you force
10:22
Speaker 1: your team to four fit a game, and it turns
10:25
Speaker 1: out that it is because of an unvaccinated player, the
10:28
Speaker 1: team is liable and me myself being an unvaccinated player
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Speaker 1: and liable. When you start bringing in the wallet, that's
10:34
Speaker 1: a whole different story or your other teammates. Yeah yeah,
10:38
Speaker 1: I dig you guys, But if you started costing me
10:41
Speaker 1: my right, that's why they're there, right, Yes, So COVID
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Speaker 1: still very much is here, doing the best to navigate
10:49
Speaker 1: it as best we can. I wonder how much the
10:51
Speaker 1: fans will feel it. The number of open practices has
10:55
Speaker 1: been declining over the years anyway, um So the fact
10:59
Speaker 1: that there's at four or six or however many our openness,
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Speaker 1: that's not a sign of COVID to me. And then
11:04
Speaker 1: you're gonna have people in the stands as best we
11:06
Speaker 1: can tell here, right, um so, they necessarily won't feel it,
11:11
Speaker 1: you know, it'll feel like back to football for them.
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Speaker 1: I'm wondering if the fans will will come into contact
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Speaker 1: with us and feel like it's different with COVID, and
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Speaker 1: we won't know until we get into the season. I
11:21
Speaker 1: think the only way that happens is if all of
11:23
Speaker 1: a sudden, these other strains come back and you feel,
11:25
Speaker 1: you know, their stories now have more businesses sanitizing. Uh So,
11:30
Speaker 1: if if that continues as a trend and somehow that
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Speaker 1: comes back and touches fans, you know, you hope it doesn't. Well,
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Speaker 1: And I think that's the only way the fans would
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Speaker 1: feel it. And I think maybe so Los Angeles if
11:43
Speaker 1: and and and l A has locked back down. So
11:45
Speaker 1: if l A says, well, we're not doing stadium thing
11:48
Speaker 1: this year, how does that impact the league? You're talking
11:50
Speaker 1: to people over on the hallway over here, Well, they
11:52
Speaker 1: could ask us just to refund and we could all
11:54
Speaker 1: have to go back to what would be you know,
11:56
Speaker 1: fair numbers. I mean, there's so there are some variables
11:59
Speaker 1: where the fans might feel it. But as of right now,
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Speaker 1: places going to be sold, A lot of tickets have
12:04
Speaker 1: been sold, and they're planning on a lot of people
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Speaker 1: being there. So I don't know if the fans feel
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Speaker 1: the COVID effect of it um other than I guess
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Speaker 1: they can't stand in line and get autographs this year
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Speaker 1: after practice like they had in years past, because they're
12:17
Speaker 1: trying to still keep players at a distance. You cannot
12:20
Speaker 1: high five Trevor Lawrence, and that goes for you not allowed.
12:25
Speaker 1: I tried before, and it didn't go well. He's didn't yet,
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Speaker 1: all right, And that is the big things when we
12:31
Speaker 1: come back some of those camp battles we were just
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Speaker 1: one twelve twenty three. We're back Jaguar's Drive Time, brought
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Speaker 1: to you by Jet Homelands, our first show officially of
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Speaker 1: one season. As we begin training camp this Wednesday, players
14:42
Speaker 1: are back in the building media a tomorrow. It is
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Speaker 1: a busy week and it is never too early start
14:48
Speaker 1: looking at subcamp battles. This is one of the most
14:51
Speaker 1: interesting parts of training. Can't you got ninety guys going
14:54
Speaker 1: for fifty three spots, and we will warn you it's
14:57
Speaker 1: a bit big picture today. We will get in the
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Speaker 1: week on this come week three of training camp when
15:02
Speaker 1: you look at those, we're going big picture because we
15:06
Speaker 1: have to today, and this position safety's is one of
15:09
Speaker 1: the most interesting on the team. Who is going to
15:12
Speaker 1: play alongside ray Sean Jenkins we assume Brian. Well. Look,
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Speaker 1: I think if if Andre Cisco is healthy, based on
15:19
Speaker 1: what we heard from this coaching staff when they drafted
15:23
Speaker 1: him in April, it would be him. Uh and certainly
15:27
Speaker 1: his numbers and his performance at Syracuse would say just
15:30
Speaker 1: put him in and let's go rookie safeties, especially with
15:32
Speaker 1: a veteran like ray Sion Jenkins next to him, he'd
15:35
Speaker 1: be just fine. Um, at least I think he would
15:37
Speaker 1: be just fine. But in the introim there's two guys
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Speaker 1: to to watch. One is Jared Wilson, who's been around
15:42
Speaker 1: here for a couple of years. Got into the lineup
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Speaker 1: in late if you recall, in a game in Miami
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Speaker 1: and played really well. Solid guy, smart guy, gets guys
15:51
Speaker 1: in position limited athletically, I mean, he's not elite, which
15:54
Speaker 1: is why he was undrafted, but he's a good player
15:58
Speaker 1: now you also have Daniel Thomas, who before he got
16:00
Speaker 1: hurt and broke his forearm in the Steelers game last year,
16:03
Speaker 1: he had about a five week stretch where it was
16:04
Speaker 1: Daniel Thomas. Daniel Thomas. I mean he was making six
16:07
Speaker 1: to eight tackles a game. He was in position to
16:09
Speaker 1: make plays. I forget. Was it an interception that he
16:12
Speaker 1: made or was it a fumble recovery that he scored
16:13
Speaker 1: on it broke his arm? Um, yeah, yeah. And so
16:18
Speaker 1: I mean this is a guy who I think sixth
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Speaker 1: round pick, so not a lot of expectations, but he
16:23
Speaker 1: came on during his time on the field. So until
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Speaker 1: Andre Cisco is ready to go, I know, people know
16:30
Speaker 1: Jared Wilson and they're comfortable with Jared Wilson. Uncomfortable with
16:33
Speaker 1: Jared Wilson, but watch out for Daniel Thomas because if
16:36
Speaker 1: he can pick up where he left off, he was
16:38
Speaker 1: an ascending player before the injury ended a season. Yeah,
16:41
Speaker 1: you had a lot of questions about depth, and usually
16:45
Speaker 1: in the NFL, depth is a little bit of a
16:47
Speaker 1: myth because usually have your starters and then after that
16:51
Speaker 1: he usually drops off. It's just tough and phragency have
16:53
Speaker 1: to have a lot of depth um. But I think
16:57
Speaker 1: an argument he made can be made that this Jaguars
16:59
Speaker 1: team has a chance to be deeper. And this is
17:02
Speaker 1: an example of where Jared Wilson is a good NFL
17:06
Speaker 1: player who by the time he's done, we'll probably get
17:09
Speaker 1: eight or nine years in. And if you talk to
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Speaker 1: the coaches last year, they love Jared Wilson because you
17:14
Speaker 1: knew where he was going to be. He was not
17:15
Speaker 1: gonna make mistakes, he was gonna be able to get
17:17
Speaker 1: the guys lined up. That's what you want as your
17:19
Speaker 1: swing safety or as your third guy. It feels like
17:23
Speaker 1: they've got a chance to have more of that on
17:26
Speaker 1: the team this year, more guys like that. At the
17:28
Speaker 1: same time, the cynic would say, well they are one
17:31
Speaker 1: in fifteen if a starter is depth, and how good
17:35
Speaker 1: are they really? But this is a case where I
17:37
Speaker 1: think Jared Wilson makes this safety group you feel much
17:43
Speaker 1: safer about it going into the season because he's there. Well,
17:45
Speaker 1: you'd feel good with either one of those guys as
17:47
Speaker 1: your starter if they have a good camp and both
17:50
Speaker 1: of them are likely to be backups before this season
17:52
Speaker 1: is over, so that that's what you want. Plays to
17:54
Speaker 1: the depth this year there, but yeah, they can't wait
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Speaker 1: to get Andre Cisco in the line. He's healthy. Yeah,
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Speaker 1: I think it's a little a lot of times here
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Speaker 1: Jared Wilson and you hear, oh, well, he's just a guy,
18:02
Speaker 1: And at times I think that's a little unfair because yes,
18:04
Speaker 1: he was undrafted, but so reliable. He played every single
18:08
Speaker 1: defensive snap in two thousand nineteen, so that comfort level,
18:11
Speaker 1: it means, let's let's define this right, just a guy
18:14
Speaker 1: on an NFL field is exceptional. Okay, but he's a
18:18
Speaker 1: guy and he knows this because he was undrafted. Every
18:21
Speaker 1: year they're trying to find somebody to replace him, whether
18:23
Speaker 1: it's a free agent or whether it's someone in the draft.
18:25
Speaker 1: They've drafted safety is the last two years, and they've
18:27
Speaker 1: signed free agents right Ray, Sean Jenkins, Daniel Thomas, and
18:31
Speaker 1: Andre Cisco. So if you're Jared Wilson, you know they're
18:33
Speaker 1: trying to replace you. So when you say he's just
18:36
Speaker 1: a guy, I mean, he's better than any of the
18:40
Speaker 1: players in the world. But you're looking for elite I mean,
18:44
Speaker 1: and that's not Jared Wilson. He is smart, he is tough,
18:47
Speaker 1: he is dependable, he's a great guy in the locker room.
18:50
Speaker 1: But you're always trying to find that guy like Cisco,
18:52
Speaker 1: who is a what do you have fourteen takeaways at Syracuse.
18:55
Speaker 1: You're looking for that guy. You're looking for above the exit,
18:58
Speaker 1: and I his guy Wilson is a good extra nose guy.
19:01
Speaker 1: Andre Cisco in college was a guy who gave you
19:05
Speaker 1: back the ball. That's hard to find. It's gonna make
19:08
Speaker 1: it interesting, absolutely, all right, John, you have a funny one. Well,
19:13
Speaker 1: it's Walker Little versus the world. I mean, and this
19:16
Speaker 1: because it's it seems the world. He can take on,
19:21
Speaker 1: you know, he can leap tall buildings in a single
19:23
Speaker 1: bound Ryan, he can save women and children. I mean,
19:30
Speaker 1: if the poor Titanic had Walker Little bit on the
19:35
Speaker 1: face of the earth, I think they'd have been Okay.
19:37
Speaker 1: I mean it's and I kid, but it's unbelievable how
19:41
Speaker 1: hyped up Walker Little has become since they draft him.
19:45
Speaker 1: And I'm part of it. I walked out in the
19:47
Speaker 1: field and O t S. I saw him like the garden,
19:52
Speaker 1: the new gardener Minshoe because a couple of years ago
19:53
Speaker 1: the memes about Minshew versus you know, whatever or whoever
19:56
Speaker 1: was And this is more, this is not poking fun
20:01
Speaker 1: of Walker Little. This is poking fun at everybody who
20:05
Speaker 1: has hyped him up, including myself, based on one O
20:07
Speaker 1: t A practice. But it is Walker Little, I think
20:11
Speaker 1: versus Cama Robinson and versus John Taylor. And it's fascinating
20:15
Speaker 1: because I think there's gonna be a scenario where he
20:18
Speaker 1: starts by the end of the season. But my guess
20:21
Speaker 1: is it's gonna be not necessarily beating those guys out
20:24
Speaker 1: in camp. The NFL is about attrition offensive line. There
20:27
Speaker 1: are injuries. I would guess sometime he'll get his shot
20:31
Speaker 1: when somebody has a high ankle sprain or whatever is
20:35
Speaker 1: in there in place so well you can't get him
20:37
Speaker 1: out of the lineup. Uh. Again, if the Little family
20:41
Speaker 1: is watching this, this is not a knock on a walk.
20:43
Speaker 1: It is just amusing to me how all of a sudden,
20:46
Speaker 1: everybody in the media, based off one O t A
20:49
Speaker 1: practice has anointed I think he's gonna be great, so
20:52
Speaker 1: I'm doing it again. But the watching him I have
20:56
Speaker 1: always been the problem, But I'm really the problem right now.
20:59
Speaker 1: The law Undrea list of offensive tackles that this team
21:02
Speaker 1: has drafted through its history to try to find the
21:06
Speaker 1: next Tony Basselli, right. I mean, he may not be Basselly,
21:10
Speaker 1: but he's no Mark Banewitz. I'm not sure they've had
21:12
Speaker 1: a guy who quite looks like this. That's and that's
21:14
Speaker 1: the point when you see him, when you see him,
21:17
Speaker 1: they've been big guys here before. Remember Mike Pearson from
21:19
Speaker 1: the University of Florida, who was a second round pick.
21:22
Speaker 1: Gosh was two thousand. Got a big guy, and he
21:25
Speaker 1: looked apart, but he didn't have the skills. When you
21:27
Speaker 1: see this guy, you see his athleticism, you see the length,
21:31
Speaker 1: you see what they call the measurables, right, the size
21:33
Speaker 1: of his hand, the length of his arms, the way
21:35
Speaker 1: that and and Jeff Lagaman was the one who said
21:37
Speaker 1: it that he can get really low in his stance
21:39
Speaker 1: and then turn to either side, which shows you the
21:42
Speaker 1: flexibility for such a big guy, which is what got
21:45
Speaker 1: people all ramped up. Um. But remember also that everyone,
21:49
Speaker 1: I should say everyone, lots of people addressed the walker
21:52
Speaker 1: little big and went, what the guy didn't even play
21:55
Speaker 1: last year. So the obvious started sort of looking at
21:58
Speaker 1: it and saying, okay, there, And that was the obvious
22:00
Speaker 1: reaction by a lot of folks who were on the
22:02
Speaker 1: practice field as well. He's not as bad as you
22:03
Speaker 1: might think for a guy who didn't play. And what
22:06
Speaker 1: most people didn't know, because how many people really do
22:09
Speaker 1: their homework anymore, was that this was a guy who,
22:12
Speaker 1: if he had played his sophomore year and probably his
22:14
Speaker 1: junior year, might have been a top half of the
22:17
Speaker 1: first round selection. He was that highly regarded as a prospect.
22:21
Speaker 1: The reason that people are excited is because you see
22:23
Speaker 1: the measurables. But the reality of it is is that
22:25
Speaker 1: if he becomes a star next year, Man, do they
22:28
Speaker 1: have something that's a great pick? Then do we have
22:29
Speaker 1: the clip of him going into the burning building? Not yet,
22:33
Speaker 1: I'll get it next week. Max, you didn't tell me
22:35
Speaker 1: you wanted that. You know, I gotta pre produce stuff
22:38
Speaker 1: like that. Next week, I'll get it for you. All right.
22:40
Speaker 1: So this we don't need an answer on. But I'm
22:42
Speaker 1: going to pose the argument just to be that gal
22:45
Speaker 1: who was going to be wide receiver one. This is
22:48
Speaker 1: DJ Chark versus Marvin Jones. Is going to get interesting
22:52
Speaker 1: because everyone says you gotta have the guy, you gotta
22:55
Speaker 1: be the guy. And I think we're gonna find out
22:57
Speaker 1: Trevor Lawrence is going to decide this argument of who
23:00
Speaker 1: he is most comfortable with. But you had a lot
23:03
Speaker 1: of questions, Okay, well, who are the Jaguars is Julio Jones?
23:07
Speaker 1: I think in training camp we're going to find out
23:08
Speaker 1: who Trevor Lawrence is more comfortable with. I don't know
23:12
Speaker 1: if this gets resolved, and I don't think it has to.
23:14
Speaker 1: Can I redefine your your argument? DJ Chark is the
23:17
Speaker 1: guy who's closest physically to being a number one, right.
23:22
Speaker 1: He's young, he's tall, he's fast, he's got the measurables.
23:26
Speaker 1: Marvin Jones is what thirty one years old. He's experienced,
23:29
Speaker 1: he's savvy, he knows how to play the game. He
23:31
Speaker 1: knows how the game is played and has played with
23:33
Speaker 1: top quarterbacks before. So Marvin Jones might catch more passes
23:37
Speaker 1: this year because he'll understand how to work to the
23:39
Speaker 1: young quarterback. But that doesn't mean that DJ Chart can't
23:42
Speaker 1: be one, and he may show you that as well.
23:44
Speaker 1: I just don't see Marvin Jones as being the one
23:48
Speaker 1: because he's never been that guy in his career. Chart
23:50
Speaker 1: shows you that he's got the physical characteristics of being
23:53
Speaker 1: the one. But Marvin Jones could could more fill that
23:56
Speaker 1: rule this year, probably start again. I agree with you Slenat.
24:03
Speaker 1: I've always believed that the whole thing about number one
24:05
Speaker 1: has has sort of come into play in the last
24:07
Speaker 1: few years as you see more talking heads needing topics
24:11
Speaker 1: on national and they start talking about QB one, and
24:15
Speaker 1: I mean and and our wide receiver one. There's usually
24:19
Speaker 1: three receivers on the field in the NFL these days.
24:21
Speaker 1: But the key to your quote top wide receiver. Is
24:26
Speaker 1: he a guy who forces the defense to play you
24:30
Speaker 1: in a certain way? And is he a guy who
24:32
Speaker 1: forces shading to his side? Do you have to worry
24:36
Speaker 1: about him or else he beats you? Uh? DJ Shark
24:39
Speaker 1: showed the first step of that in nineteen. He showed
24:43
Speaker 1: the ability to beat a single coverage and make huge place.
24:47
Speaker 1: Once teams started to double him, he fell off a
24:50
Speaker 1: little bit. His next task on the way to that
24:55
Speaker 1: place of being a number one is beating doubles and
24:58
Speaker 1: shading more often. Uh. I do think he's the guy
25:02
Speaker 1: on the roster that more teams will game plan four
25:06
Speaker 1: than anybody else in the wide receiver corps, So I
25:08
Speaker 1: think he'll be the one. Does he have those numbers? Yeah?
25:12
Speaker 1: This performance, I think he's still going there. Marvin Jones
25:15
Speaker 1: will take advantage of the fact that everyone's granted that way,
25:17
Speaker 1: and he'll look like the one. Marvin Jones hopes the
25:20
Speaker 1: teams think DJ is the one, and Marvin Jones is
25:23
Speaker 1: smart enough, tough enough, experienced enough to be able to
25:25
Speaker 1: take advantage of that situation. We haven't even mentioned laviscussion
25:28
Speaker 1: all and what his role will be. So it's a
25:30
Speaker 1: good problem to have. Again. John talked about depth, and
25:32
Speaker 1: we talked about one in fifteen and but despite that,
25:35
Speaker 1: there being players on this roster you've got you've got
25:38
Speaker 1: a couple of guys out there that you can feel
25:40
Speaker 1: real good about. Absolutely all right. Those are camp battles,
25:42
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25:45
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Speaker 1: we have some hot takes going into training camp on Wednesday.
28:15
Speaker 1: I'll save mine for last because I think I got
28:17
Speaker 1: a good one. So Brian, Well, um, So, the Tim
28:20
Speaker 1: Tebow story is a big story, obviously. I mean it's
28:23
Speaker 1: kind of died down over the summer while they were gone.
28:25
Speaker 1: But still, you know, whether I'm speaking at a rotary
28:27
Speaker 1: club or whether I'm standing in line of public, you know,
28:30
Speaker 1: people want to they want to talk about Tim. However,
28:33
Speaker 1: is we get closer to the started camping will not
28:35
Speaker 1: overshadow Trevor Lawrence When people see Lawrence out there in charge,
28:39
Speaker 1: in control of the offense and the way that the
28:41
Speaker 1: team responds to him. The Tebow thing will slide to
28:44
Speaker 1: the side, and it will be about Trevor Lawrence. Um.
28:48
Speaker 1: I know that sounds crazy because so many people in
28:50
Speaker 1: this town are so heavily invested in Tim. Love Tim
28:52
Speaker 1: Tebow the person and what he means the community. I
28:55
Speaker 1: do too, um, So it will still be a buzz
28:58
Speaker 1: And of course when the media shows up, you know,
29:01
Speaker 1: there's a sensational aspect to Tim because he's so much
29:04
Speaker 1: bigger than just the sport. But Trevor Lawrence will be
29:08
Speaker 1: the big story and it won't even be close. So
29:10
Speaker 1: many people will just look at him and go, Okay,
29:12
Speaker 1: now I get it. And that's what you have to
29:14
Speaker 1: remember about the Teva. You know, I get all kinds
29:16
Speaker 1: of questions. Is he gonna be a distraction? Is he
29:18
Speaker 1: gonna be a problem? Um? When the media comes back in,
29:23
Speaker 1: he'll be discussed anymore. But for the players it's much
29:28
Speaker 1: more as it's been for the last what six weeks,
29:32
Speaker 1: when you don't hear that much discussion about Tea because
29:35
Speaker 1: the players, Yeah, you're looking on Twitter, but on a
29:38
Speaker 1: day to day basis, they're not that worried about what
29:41
Speaker 1: people are talking about once August six rolls around. So, uh,
29:47
Speaker 1: I agree it. You know, Tim's a find story. Trevor's
29:51
Speaker 1: the story. Yeah, and I think it's settled once he
29:54
Speaker 1: got on the team and now it really won't be
29:56
Speaker 1: a story again. While it will be a conversation point,
29:59
Speaker 1: whether he makes the team or doesn't make the team
30:00
Speaker 1: will be flashpoints. That's the day, the start of camp,
30:03
Speaker 1: the first day in pads, the first preseason game, they'll
30:06
Speaker 1: be flashpoints. But Trevor is going to be the bright
30:09
Speaker 1: shining light. And uh, if people doubt that, just wait
30:12
Speaker 1: and watch. My hot take is that C. J. Henderson,
30:18
Speaker 1: who has sort of been forgotten in conversation because he
30:22
Speaker 1: was hurt at last year. Uh, it just seemed like
30:26
Speaker 1: he never really got going after Week one last year,
30:29
Speaker 1: and even in the off season they signed to kill Griffins,
30:31
Speaker 1: there's been talking about other guys. He may be the
30:34
Speaker 1: most important eventsive player because if he's what he's supposed
30:37
Speaker 1: to be, and he's supposed to be a touch below
30:41
Speaker 1: Jalen Rams, you know, I mean all a top nine
30:47
Speaker 1: overall selection at corner is supposed to be a takeaway guy,
30:50
Speaker 1: multiple Pro Bowls. He's supposed to be a build around guy.
30:53
Speaker 1: If he's that, then all of a sudden, your secondary
30:57
Speaker 1: goes from being what last year was clearly a liability
31:01
Speaker 1: among many liabilities, to being a strength. If he doesn't,
31:06
Speaker 1: then all of a sudden, it feels like Shaquille Griffin's
31:08
Speaker 1: you're top guy. You've got Tyson Campbell not quite sure
31:12
Speaker 1: what his role you know, I mean, and I know
31:14
Speaker 1: his role is. He's good, but you'd rather have him
31:15
Speaker 1: as a nickel c J. Takeaway guy means their secondary
31:20
Speaker 1: is really really good c J just okay. I think
31:23
Speaker 1: the secondary is probably just okay. So I think he's
31:25
Speaker 1: really important. I'm coming excited about him. I go back
31:28
Speaker 1: to our Draft Knight coverage when he was drafted and
31:30
Speaker 1: Dan Mullen came on and joined us, and and I
31:32
Speaker 1: don't know coach Mullen at all, but to sit and
31:34
Speaker 1: listen to him, and I thought he was genuine and
31:37
Speaker 1: he didn't have to go to the links that he
31:39
Speaker 1: did to extol the virtues of a player. Not every
31:43
Speaker 1: college coach says, hey, that's the greatest player ever in
31:45
Speaker 1: a great pick. You're gonna love it. Lots of them do,
31:47
Speaker 1: but in this case, he may be effort to talk
31:49
Speaker 1: about all the virtues that he saw in C. J. Henderson. Now,
31:52
Speaker 1: I know Mullen and urban Meyer know each other well,
31:55
Speaker 1: so I'm guessing that when they look at C. J. Henderson,
31:57
Speaker 1: they have a very specific idea of what he's going
32:00
Speaker 1: to be. So I, like you, I think he's gonna
32:02
Speaker 1: be a very important player. And I recognize that when
32:06
Speaker 1: the draft was going on, they had the kid from
32:09
Speaker 1: Ohio State that went to Detroit and and C. J. Henderson,
32:13
Speaker 1: and those two players were thought to be one A
32:15
Speaker 1: and one B. I mean there were some people that
32:18
Speaker 1: had C. J. Henderson equal, if not even ahead, dependent
32:21
Speaker 1: cover guy, probably as good and over absolutely Jeff what
32:24
Speaker 1: was his last name name, Escapes you know about it
32:30
Speaker 1: was clearly number one, but Henderson wasn't far behind. If
32:33
Speaker 1: he's what they think he is. Again, we're talking about
32:35
Speaker 1: depth safety, wide receiver, running back, offensive tackle. I mean,
32:41
Speaker 1: all of a sudden, you've got some guys you can
32:42
Speaker 1: really sort through. The competition level should be much higher.
32:46
Speaker 1: I say it's a lot, and I broken record on it,
32:48
Speaker 1: but if you if you get him as the number
32:49
Speaker 1: one guy, then you have a lead on all three
32:52
Speaker 1: levels of defense, and you have Josh Allen, who I
32:54
Speaker 1: think is going to be elite, Miles who already is,
32:56
Speaker 1: and then you have well, now, all of a sudden,
32:58
Speaker 1: you've got guys at each level who make the other
33:01
Speaker 1: guys on their level better, who the other team has
33:03
Speaker 1: to game plan for, which makes other guys better. When
33:07
Speaker 1: you have that, you can build a really good defense.
33:10
Speaker 1: CJ is key to me because I'm sure that I
33:13
Speaker 1: know what Josh and Miles are. I don't know yet
33:16
Speaker 1: with c js, And it doesn't hurt when you have
33:18
Speaker 1: those high draft picks and they hit and their success
33:20
Speaker 1: but not a bad thing, all right, This hot take
33:25
Speaker 1: Gardnerman show just changed the game of how we view
33:29
Speaker 1: this quarterback battle. After listening to this podcast that went
33:32
Speaker 1: a little viral over the weekend, it was the green
33:34
Speaker 1: Light podcast with Chris Long and I gotta be a
33:37
Speaker 1: little careful with my languid and I present this, but
33:40
Speaker 1: he basically said he's not going to use the bathroom
33:44
Speaker 1: because number two is not an option going into training camp.
33:50
Speaker 1: I credit him the creativity it is there. I credit
33:55
Speaker 1: on envy him. Oh my gosh, that sounds like a
33:57
Speaker 1: problem and you need to go figure that out. Any Who,
34:00
Speaker 1: this changes the game because we all figured this was
34:02
Speaker 1: his mindset. He wasn't going to say, yeah, Trevor, just
34:05
Speaker 1: take the job. It's cool. He was going to say,
34:07
Speaker 1: let's compete. But this is his first public stance on this.
34:11
Speaker 1: Now it changes the game because we know, does it.
34:13
Speaker 1: I mean, if if the rookies at his best and
34:17
Speaker 1: Gardeners at his best, is it even a competition? That's
34:21
Speaker 1: our take. It's take it. It's what he should say.
34:26
Speaker 1: We shouldn't be surprised he said it, right. It's what
34:28
Speaker 1: any quarterback would say. Uh, you love Gardener for for
34:32
Speaker 1: finding a creative, if troubling way to say it. Um,
34:37
Speaker 1: so you know why people love him so much. And again,
34:42
Speaker 1: it's exactly what you should be saying. He should be
34:46
Speaker 1: out there fighting for every inch. The coaches love it.
34:50
Speaker 1: It's great. I just hope he feels better soon. Let's
34:56
Speaker 1: hope that maybe he has the same mindset with the
34:59
Speaker 1: backup quarter about competition, because that's real, and I hope
35:02
Speaker 1: he brings that competitive nature to that because nothing hasn't
35:04
Speaker 1: done your Urban Meyer. You love to hear that, right,
35:07
Speaker 1: if you love to hear that he is going to
35:08
Speaker 1: come in with that kind of a mindset because he
35:10
Speaker 1: wants his rookie quarterback to feel some pressure. If you're
35:13
Speaker 1: the number one overall pick and you've got the big
35:15
Speaker 1: house and the beautiful wife and the money in the
35:18
Speaker 1: bank and the endorsements lining up for you. I'm not saying,
35:21
Speaker 1: because I don't know Trevor at all, I'm not saying
35:23
Speaker 1: that that's the mindset. But you have to really work
35:25
Speaker 1: sometimes to get that mindset going about competitiveness. To have
35:29
Speaker 1: a guy like Gardner Minshew behind you kind of inipitate
35:31
Speaker 1: your heels just enhances it good. You want your rookie
35:34
Speaker 1: quarterback to feel pressure from a lot of different places.
35:37
Speaker 1: It certainly helps to have something legitimate there when you're
35:42
Speaker 1: going out every day as a rookie to make what
35:46
Speaker 1: the coaches saying sound more believable. And you know, there's
35:51
Speaker 1: nothing bad that can come of Gardner having that mindset.
35:57
Speaker 1: So long as if Trevor gets the job, We're gonna
36:00
Speaker 1: say if, just out of respect for gard stomach, that
36:06
Speaker 1: he can handle it. I think he showed good signs
36:10
Speaker 1: again is all sort of conjecture, but I think he's
36:13
Speaker 1: still here because he's showing them he can getting his
36:16
Speaker 1: not being is out, so I think overall you're not
36:21
Speaker 1: as worried about that. But he can't take that mindset
36:24
Speaker 1: beyond what is reasonable. Yes, it's going to be interesting,
36:29
Speaker 1: and we hope Gardner is okay to his stomach issues.
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Speaker 1: Back on Jaguars Drive time. It is Monday. There are
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Speaker 1: a lot of headlines in the sports world, but nothing
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Speaker 1: as big as this In Houston, Texas. We were him
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Speaker 1: already going around the a f C South and this
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Speaker 1: just worked perfectly. Because Deshaun Watson has reported to training
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Speaker 1: camp he still wants to be traded. The Houston Texas
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Speaker 1: have said, we are listening to trade offers, but we
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Speaker 1: want three first rounders to make it fair. I don't
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Speaker 1: blame them, that's a fair ask. Well, he reported because
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Speaker 1: he was going to be find fifty thousand dollars a day,
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Speaker 1: So that's the price, right because he steadfastly stayed away
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Speaker 1: and said he would never life for the Texans again,
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Speaker 1: and now we know at fifty dollars day he's willing
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Speaker 1: to come and play. Um, I guess that the lawsuits
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Speaker 1: aren't going to be settled? Is that what you were saying? Uh?
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Speaker 1: This year? The question is because I don't he's really good.
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Speaker 1: Someone will give you what you want for him, but
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Speaker 1: will they not knowing whether two he's going to be
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Speaker 1: able to play or not. In other words, you expect
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Speaker 1: that if he settles these, he's still subject to the
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Speaker 1: commissioners uh jurisdiction, which could be a eight game, season
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Speaker 1: long whatever, depending on how severe it looks when the
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Speaker 1: cases are adjudicated. Um, you know, might you trade three
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Speaker 1: first round picks for him and then not have him
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Speaker 1: for you don't know? Someone will take that chance? For sure?
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Speaker 1: Because I figured it hadn't get in. I'm sure I've
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Speaker 1: ever seen ever, because there's always somebody will find a reference.
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Speaker 1: But um, unless I've ever seen a starting quarterback situations
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Speaker 1: so unsettled for for multiple reasons, do Texans really want
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Speaker 1: to trade him? Do they really want him? I mean, well,
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Speaker 1: but with the stuff, yeah, maybe they uh, they're not
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Speaker 1: really going to say uh. Sean definitely doesn't want to
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Speaker 1: play there. But I think the key is what you said.
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Speaker 1: I don't think any team is going to trade three
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Speaker 1: first round picks for him right now, not knowing what
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Speaker 1: the situations in the season. So I get questions all
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Speaker 1: the time, do you think he'll be able to available
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Speaker 1: for Week one? I can't. I think he'll play for
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Speaker 1: the texts. He'll be property of the Texans. I can't
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Speaker 1: imagine playing Week one because all of a sudden, we're
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Speaker 1: coming up on what seven weeks, and it seems fast.
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Speaker 1: If they want to trade him, you don't want him
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Speaker 1: to get hurt, right he in the bubble of whatever
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Speaker 1: the lawsuit is. Shoes are. If he's still healthy and
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Speaker 1: they start to resolve them, then you can trade him.
40:47
Speaker 1: But if he tears something up, you're in trouble. This
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Speaker 1: is gonna get tricky and heavily impacts the Jaguars as
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Speaker 1: their Week one opponents. So we'll stay tuned to that.
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