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ALEX BASKIN (PRODUCER) · Two Ts In A Pod with Teddi Mellencamp and Tamra Judge

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  Speaker 1: Two Teas and a Pod which Teddy Mellencamp and camera Judge.
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  Speaker 2: Hi, guys, welcome to another episode of Two Teas and
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  Speaker 2: a Pause. Is myself and Sambra Judge, and we have
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  Speaker 2: our very own Alex Baskin here. He submitted a very
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  Speaker 2: serious photograph, very Zoolander.
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  Speaker 3: It's very Zoolander. It's sex appeal. And I like the
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  Speaker 3: tan too.
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  Speaker 4: He's very tanned. He's normally pasty white in person.
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  Speaker 3: A touch of a smirk because he's up to no good.
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  Speaker 3: His bio reads.
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  Speaker 2: Alex Baskin, CEO of the newly launched thirty two Flavors Entertainment,
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  Speaker 2: is the executive producer of long running hit shows including
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  Speaker 2: the Real Housewives of Beverly Hills, The Real Housewives of
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  Speaker 2: Orange County, Vander Rules, and Botch, as well as forthcoming
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  Speaker 2: series four, among others Netflix, Ulu and Paramount Plutz, as
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  Speaker 2: well as feature films. As the president of Evolution Media,
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  Speaker 2: he oversaw more than four dozen series during his tenure.
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  Speaker 2: Along with his business partner.
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  Speaker 3: He sold the company to MGM in twenty seventeen.
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  Speaker 4: I would like to see the Twatts in there as
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  Speaker 4: one of your shows that you're producing.
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  Speaker 3: The new twat show.
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  Speaker 5: I am. I'm very excited you guys make guest appearances.
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  Speaker 5: I did, we don't.
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  Speaker 4: Okay, So thirty two flavors, can you just set the
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  Speaker 4: record straight? Did your family did your family own thirty
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  Speaker 4: one Flavors? Well, Alex Baskin.
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  Speaker 5: Alex Baskin, My god, this is the hot seat. I
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  Speaker 5: to tell you too that this is ground zero of
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  Speaker 5: my misery. You guys call me more problems in this show.
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  Speaker 5: Its popularity has.
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  Speaker 4: Just answer the question.
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  Speaker 5: So okay, thanks Baskin.
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  Speaker 3: Robbins.
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  Speaker 5: Oh my god, my dad's uncle founded.
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  Speaker 2: Uncle so pretty much related as Heather Gay is to
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  Speaker 2: me rose to me, Yeah.
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  Speaker 3: How much?
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  Speaker 5: But you guys are scandalizing this. I mean you're you know.
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  Speaker 4: That's what we do for a living.
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  Speaker 5: I know.
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  Speaker 4: I mean the company is just like what you do
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  Speaker 4: to us, just like you do to us.
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  Speaker 5: Oh treat me like.
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  Speaker 2: No, you realize I didn't know this until I asked Kyle.
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  Speaker 2: I go, is this actually Alex's email? And she goes, yes,
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  Speaker 2: Teddy bask and like you didn't get that, and I was.
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  Speaker 5: Like, no, we didn't. Yes, it's a player on the
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  Speaker 5: company that I played no role in. That's exactly flavors.
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  Speaker 5: I can confirm that, but we added one more flavor. Yeah, yes,
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  Speaker 5: that's exactly. Yeah, and I am enough.
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  Speaker 3: You are enough? Are you Twizzler flavor?
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  Speaker 5: Is that or love those Twizzlers? Cannot get it us?
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  Speaker 2: But you also have a podcast coming out. Yeah, my gosh,
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  Speaker 2: it's gonna be a big competition. Are you in TV
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  Speaker 2: and film?
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  Speaker 5: What's your Well, there's yeah, more to come on that,
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  Speaker 5: but podcast launches November fourteenth, and it's behind the scenes
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  Speaker 5: of shows because so many other people are telling the
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  Speaker 5: story and there's so much bullshit out there that the
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  Speaker 5: idea was, let's actually start telling the story ourselves. And
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  Speaker 5: so my first guests include none other than Tamra Judge
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  Speaker 5: Kyle is one of my guests. Shooting a bunch more
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  Speaker 5: right now, and so I'm excited.
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  Speaker 4: Are you enjoying it?
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  Speaker 5: I'm having fun with it. I'm having more fun than
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  Speaker 5: I thought because it's a very hard time listening to
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  Speaker 5: myself and watching myself. You can take a look at
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  Speaker 5: the cuts it first, we've had.
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  Speaker 4: This conversation before. You do not like to see yourself?
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  Speaker 4: I do in front of the camera like you've always
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  Speaker 4: been behind the camera. This is this the first time
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  Speaker 4: you've been in front of the camera.
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  Speaker 5: Well, I've made appearances and things like retrospectives about the
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  Speaker 5: shows and stuff like that, but I've never, you know,
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  Speaker 5: never in sort of this capacity. I've never really been
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  Speaker 5: interested in doing it and be self conscious and who
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  Speaker 5: wants to look at and listen to Well.
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  Speaker 4: You're going to be a superstar.
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  Speaker 5: Well I don't know about that.
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  Speaker 2: Are you gonna listen to your own episodes and essentially
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  Speaker 2: produce them yourself?
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  Speaker 5: I've had to so I was not going to, and
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  Speaker 5: I was adamant about that, and I let everyone involved
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  Speaker 5: know that. And then when notes were flying back and
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  Speaker 5: forth about the episodes, it's like, well, shit, I got
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  Speaker 5: to weigh in, and I can't unless I know what
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  Speaker 5: I'm talking about. Yeah.
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  Speaker 3: See, we cannot listen to ourselves.
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  Speaker 2: We like to stick our heads in the sand and
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  Speaker 2: pretend that whatever we said or I've always been like that.
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  Speaker 5: Well, see, I don't have a luxury if not listening
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  Speaker 5: to you guys, because once again, these people complain paints
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  Speaker 5: that I get. That's exactly it is. You guys are
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  Speaker 5: nothing but trouble of giving Amy Sugarman shit about it?
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  Speaker 4: Is it cast members on or is it across the board,
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  Speaker 4: different roads.
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  Speaker 5: Across the board. It's cast, it's production, it's the network.
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  Speaker 5: Like you guys have it all covered.
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  Speaker 3: Well, I have.
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  Speaker 4: I had to squash the beef quite a few times,
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  Speaker 4: and I think it airs tonight at Bravo Khan, I said, Andy,
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  Speaker 4: why me every time he goes because you're the one
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  Speaker 4: with the podcast.
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  Speaker 5: Yeah, and let me tell you, guys do not have
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  Speaker 5: the podcast because you are meek and you don't have opinions.
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  Speaker 2: We Tamar always has opinions, but her biggest opinion is
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  Speaker 2: that I cause more shit than her.
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  Speaker 3: And I want to know is that actually accurate?
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  Speaker 5: I mean that is like, you know, six of one
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  Speaker 5: half of another. I don't know what to say. Guys
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  Speaker 5: are both assholes.
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  Speaker 4: Teddy causes more problems online.
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  Speaker 5: That's probably true. I would say Tamar's more dangerous in
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  Speaker 5: the moment. But then, yeah, you know you are absolutely
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  Speaker 5: committed to.
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  Speaker 3: What if I think something is accurate?
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  Speaker 4: She will not let it go.
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  Speaker 3: I will not let it go.
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  Speaker 2: But if somebody will actually show me a touch of
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  Speaker 2: kindness or be a regular functioning human being with me,
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  Speaker 2: I can let it go. Like what Tamar can have issues? Yes,
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  Speaker 2: and we can let it go.
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  Speaker 4: Right, Alex, what are your thoughts on Teddy's squash the
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  Speaker 4: beef with Vicky?
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  Speaker 2: Oh god, I just said we weren't talking about this anymore.
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  Speaker 2: I even use the tailor armstrong enough.
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  Speaker 5: Well, I was surprised and not surprised with her child,
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  Speaker 5: and so I just I mean, you came out firing.
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  Speaker 3: Well, she had already.
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  Speaker 2: I heard her say, she's disgusting, she's pathetic.
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  Speaker 3: I was told, do not bring up January sixth. The
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  Speaker 3: first thing that she does is go, let's talk about
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  Speaker 3: January sixth.
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  Speaker 4: I told you that was going to happen. She brought
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  Speaker 4: it up on the carpet, the red carpet, and her
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  Speaker 4: and I got into an argument on the red carpet.
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  Speaker 4: So I go be prepared. She's going to bring that up.
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  Speaker 3: Here's the thing.
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  Speaker 2: I would have been happy to squash that beef if
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  Speaker 2: she would have just come out and for once.
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  Speaker 4: And would you don't believe that, Alex?
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  Speaker 5: Oh please, you're saying you would have been the bigger
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  Speaker 5: person if she had been the bigger person, I mean
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  Speaker 5: you might like you just cancered her.
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  Speaker 3: I did. I did have to cancer in that moment.
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  Speaker 2: You are currently the executive producer of Orange County, Beverly
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  Speaker 2: Hills and Pump Rules.
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  Speaker 3: But how did you get your start in all of this?
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  Speaker 5: I interned a MTV out of high school and I
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  Speaker 5: fell in love with the business. And then I had
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  Speaker 5: a detour in law school and loved law school and
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  Speaker 5: met some great people, but knew that's not what I
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  Speaker 5: wanted to do because I just was bored by it.
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  Speaker 5: And I looked at successful partners at the firms that
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  Speaker 5: I worked for and thought not for me. And I
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  Speaker 5: had met Doug Ross from Evolution years before and he
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  Speaker 5: had said, look, you know, I give me a call
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  Speaker 5: if you ever want a job, and so I did,
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  Speaker 5: remembered me, brought me on and then we started doing
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  Speaker 5: a sleepy little show called The Real Housewives of Orange
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  Speaker 5: County and that took off.
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  Speaker 4: And I have a quick question. Now, your parents thrilled
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  Speaker 4: that you went to law school and you decided I'm
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  Speaker 4: going to go.
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  Speaker 6: Into ralett your life, Smiley, It is well like I
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  Speaker 6: will say that when I considered dropping out of law school,
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  Speaker 6: my parents made me promise them that I would finish it,
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  Speaker 6: and so then I held up my.
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  Speaker 5: End of the bargain, and I think they were thinking,
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  Speaker 5: that's not what we had in mind. Yeah, you didn't
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  Speaker 5: think had oft in that direction.
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  Speaker 3: But how often is being a lawyer act help in
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  Speaker 3: what you're doing? Especially with this group?
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  Speaker 5: Unfortunately, it is the training that I would recommend that
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  Speaker 5: everyone gets more than film school, that's for sure. Yeah.
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  Speaker 4: I get free label advice from them all the time. Yes, Alex,
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  Speaker 4: what do I do now?
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  Speaker 5: Can I say? This is?
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  Speaker 2: This definition pretty much is like be quiet and we're
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  Speaker 2: He's like, yes.
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  Speaker 3: We're not listening time.
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  Speaker 4: Yeah, exactly.
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  Speaker 3: Do you watch any other franchises other than the ones
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  Speaker 3: that you produce?
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  Speaker 5: Occasionally I will dip it and dip out of other franchises.
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  Speaker 5: I watch a lot of other kinds of programming, But
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  Speaker 5: it's not as much fun for me to watch the
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  Speaker 5: shows because I feel like, I, you know, know how
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  Speaker 5: they're made, and so I can see the notes that
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  Speaker 5: went into them, and so it's not a relaxing experience
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  Speaker 5: for me.
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  Speaker 4: Now, can you explain your role now? Because originally you
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  Speaker 4: were owner and you have sold in the past five years,
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  Speaker 4: how are things different? Are you still involved in evolution?
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  Speaker 5: An involved in evolution, but I'm involved in all the shows,
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  Speaker 5: and so my role really hasn't changed. The difference is
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  Speaker 5: instead of running that company, I run my own and
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  Speaker 5: then all my new series run through my company, and
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  Speaker 5: these series are co productions, and so I still do
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  Speaker 5: everything that I did before, which is you know, creative
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  Speaker 5: oversight and and you know, oversight over the entire production.
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  Speaker 5: So that's everything from production management to the deals to
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  Speaker 5: the creative all that stuff.
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  Speaker 4: Do you potentially see thirty two Flavors taking over Orange
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  Speaker 4: County or I.
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  Speaker 5: Mean, I'm you know, is it a goal? Please with no?
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  Speaker 5: I mean, I don't really think in those terms. They
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  Speaker 5: just sort of, you know, think about continuing to be
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  Speaker 5: a part of the shows. And I agreed to do
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  Speaker 5: that for the foreseeable future, and so you know, that's
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  Speaker 5: sort of that. And then a lot of my time
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  Speaker 5: has spent on the new projects as well.
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  Speaker 2: And then how much are you still involved in like
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  Speaker 2: the the casting or the editing or any of those
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  Speaker 2: types of things.
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  Speaker 5: A lot, I mean in the way that that I
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  Speaker 5: always have been. But I will say too because I
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  Speaker 5: don't want to appear as though I'm taking a bunch
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  Speaker 5: of credit because I work with some of the most
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  Speaker 5: skilled people you know that that I could possibly want
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  Speaker 5: to be on a team with and so day to
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  Speaker 5: day A lot of that is taken by people who
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  Speaker 5: have made the shows for a long time. But I'm
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  Speaker 5: as involved as I was before I made the move,
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  Speaker 5: before I ventured out onto my own.
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  Speaker 4: Yeah. Now, the social media fans are very just hard
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  Speaker 4: on us, right. They tell you who they hate, they
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  Speaker 4: tell you who they love. Does that have any reflection
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  Speaker 4: and what decisions are made? Does Bravo or production look
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  Speaker 4: at that and go, oh, well, you know what they
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  Speaker 4: really hate?
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  Speaker 5: Terror?
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  Speaker 4: Should we get rid of her?
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  Speaker 5: Well, we're aware of it, but I don't think it's
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  Speaker 5: one to one with what we do. And Bravo kentuckts
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  Speaker 5: in their own reasons. God is.
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  Speaker 4: Sure I might get another I might get another season.
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  Speaker 5: If you treat me well.
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  Speaker 3: So are you saying I didn't treat you well?
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  Speaker 5: No, you know you're a little bit rude. I remember
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  Speaker 5: you didn't have a diet coke for me at one point.
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  Speaker 5: So today, okay, sorry, my time I might be off. Sorry,
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  Speaker 5: so I'll apologize at the reunion. But no, I mean
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  Speaker 5: I you know. We're aware of the fact too that
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  Speaker 5: the audience responds strongly sometimes to people who are very
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  Speaker 5: involved in story and so we sort of filter all
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  Speaker 5: of that out, but it's hard to tune it out completely,
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  Speaker 5: you know, so, and you can't get to the point
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  Speaker 5: where the audience just does not want to watch someone anymore,
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  Speaker 5: or someone is completely on the outs from the group.
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  Speaker 5: But we don't make decisions by you know, the extreme
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  Speaker 5: nature of social media at any given point.
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  Speaker 4: Yeah. Andy made a comment years ago he said, when
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  Speaker 4: the fans love to hate you versus hate to hate you, yes,
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  Speaker 4: is all the difference.
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  Speaker 5: Yeah. I think that's right. And I think that you
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  Speaker 5: kind of know when you cross that line, so that.
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  Speaker 4: I teeter on that line.
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  Speaker 2: It's a tyrope, do you And I mean I already
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  Speaker 2: know the answer I think to this, But do.
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  Speaker 3: You pick favorites?
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  Speaker 5: No, I mean you can't. You really try not to.
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  Speaker 5: And I always say this that I think that you
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  Speaker 5: have to treat everyone equally and fairly, but you treat
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  Speaker 5: everyone differently in the sense that everyone's a different person, right,
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  Speaker 5: And so my conversations with different casts are different. But
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  Speaker 5: we never go into a season knowing who's gonna have
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  Speaker 5: a good season, who's gonna have a bad season, And
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  Speaker 5: we never try to help someone out or you know,
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  Speaker 5: ding someone else and that isn't the case.
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  Speaker 2: But do you ever feel like there is a way
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  Speaker 2: that you could potentially show more of a potential person,
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  Speaker 2: but you don't because it's it doesn't behoove what image you.
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  Speaker 3: Want to portray for that person.
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  Speaker 5: No, I mean we don't have a narrative in advance.
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  Speaker 2: Well, like people are saying, okay, Crystal, this cut out
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  Speaker 2: this year, or this was cut out this year of
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  Speaker 2: things that we saw on social media, is any of
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  Speaker 2: that planned?
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  Speaker 3: Or we just were talking about it on the pod
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  Speaker 3: where like, okay, we know she had another party.
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  Speaker 4: Well, and I said, they can't play everything right, so
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  Speaker 4: we don't.
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  Speaker 5: And it caught by the way, it costs a lot
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  Speaker 5: of money to not use something right. So when you
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  Speaker 5: cut something out, it's because you had to make other decisions.
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  Speaker 3: Right.
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  Speaker 4: Well, I would say, she had a party in Vegas,
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  Speaker 4: do we need to show another.
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  Speaker 5: Party in LA and that that's right. I mean, I
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  Speaker 5: mean that's what we're thinking. And so our thinking is,
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  Speaker 5: you know, we wanted to get to Vegas quickly. Yeah,
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  Speaker 5: So it's it's all of those things. But you never,
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  Speaker 5: you know, I shouldn't say never. You very rarely shoot
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  Speaker 5: something with an intention of not using it, and it
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  Speaker 5: isn't like you don't if something interesting happens, you know
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  Speaker 5: you're gonna use it right right, and then you know
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  Speaker 5: and then you just make a bunch of decisions. Into
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  Speaker 5: Tammer's point, like you have to cut stuff out.
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  Speaker 2: And sometimes you'll end up using just from my guess,
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  Speaker 2: sometimes you guys end up using stuff that's not as interesting.
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  Speaker 3: But it tells the story of what's coming next.
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  Speaker 5: It puts the pieces together. That's right. It's connective tissue.
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  Speaker 4: It's a puzzle.
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  Speaker 3: Yeah.
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  Speaker 2: So, so was there a wife you weren't sure of,
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  Speaker 2: like when you first saw a video or anything that
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  Speaker 2: actually ended up being a breakout hit or an amazing
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  Speaker 2: housewife that really caught you off guard?
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  Speaker 5: Well, yeah, I mean sometimes you know, Look, I think
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  Speaker 5: that the casting tapes Hammer and I talked about this,
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  Speaker 5: you know a little bit a couple of weeks ago.
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  Speaker 5: I think that the casting tapes are one thing, and
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  Speaker 5: then I think when you put someone in play, I
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  Speaker 5: think it's a different thing altogether. And then I also
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  Speaker 5: think that people grow into themselves and I think that
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  Speaker 5: you know, they can get better with the experience, Like
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  Speaker 5: I think Emily Simpson is so found herself.
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  Speaker 4: I was just gonna say that, Yeah. Yeah. Sometimes it
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  Speaker 4: takes people a few years to get their feet on
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  Speaker 4: the ground and like Okay, I'm doing this, and then
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  Speaker 4: they're very protective of themselves. And then there's other ding
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  Speaker 4: dongs like me that just just go for it.
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  Speaker 5: Yah yah.
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  Speaker 2: Is there anyone in your opinion that did get away
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  Speaker 2: too soon that actually could have?
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  Speaker 5: Oh? I think that there's plenty of people that I
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  Speaker 5: think didn't have enough of a shot. I think that,
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  Speaker 5: you know, for example, Carlton and Beverly Hills, I think
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  Speaker 5: came into the tough season and I think and may
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  Speaker 5: or may not have been a fit for the show,
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  Speaker 5: but I think she did, you know, everything that she
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  Speaker 5: could have done to work, and I think that was
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  Speaker 5: a tough season. I was trying to think of who else.
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  Speaker 4: Oh, the hundredth housewife.
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  Speaker 5: The Haggy there you go.
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  Speaker 7: Yeah, yeah, there's uh yeah, But I off the top
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  Speaker 7: of my head, I can't think of anyone, But I
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  Speaker 7: do think that look, I think in time, I think
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  Speaker 7: it is something that you grow into.
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  Speaker 4: Yeah, can you can you explain to listeners what goes
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  Speaker 4: through the process of finding a wife and how is
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  Speaker 4: it difficult.
• 15:48
  Speaker 5: Really hard. I mean we we will. Your first thing
• 15:51
  Speaker 5: we do is we reach out to all of the
• 15:53
  Speaker 5: lives and ask them, you know, who they might have
• 15:56
  Speaker 5: for us, and they, like.
• 15:59
  Speaker 4: I did five years ago with Jen Pedronte and a
• 16:01
  Speaker 4: list of other girls from my gym.
• 16:03
  Speaker 5: Yeah, you're welcome.
• 16:04
  Speaker 4: Ye, thank you so much.
• 16:07
  Speaker 3: That worked out really well.
• 16:08
  Speaker 5: Yeah yeah, yeah, who else do you have?
• 16:10
  Speaker 4: So it's Teddy Mellencamp, tam Is pitching.
• 16:17
  Speaker 5: I have been always to teas and an orange. But
• 16:23
  Speaker 5: so that those are the first conversations that we have,
• 16:25
  Speaker 5: and then we look. We try to look in and
• 16:27
  Speaker 5: around the places that people hang out and you know,
• 16:31
  Speaker 5: stock social media and sort of find out who is
• 16:35
  Speaker 5: in different friend groups. And it's it's that kind of thing.
• 16:38
  Speaker 5: And the amazing thing to me is all these years
• 16:40
  Speaker 5: later that we're still finding new people, and we will
• 16:43
  Speaker 5: find good friends that someone did not put in front
• 16:47
  Speaker 5: of us. I was like, you know, so then we'll
• 16:48
  Speaker 5: interview someone in Cassie, we'll find out they'll be a
• 16:51
  Speaker 5: good friend of one of the housewives who has never
• 16:53
  Speaker 5: offered off this person and then they'll say, oh, I
• 16:55
  Speaker 5: hadn't even thought about her, like you didn't want to
• 16:58
  Speaker 5: on the show.
• 16:58
  Speaker 2: Yeah, or certain people are going through different things in
• 17:02
  Speaker 2: their life that they may not necessarily want to show,
• 17:05
  Speaker 2: so at one.
• 17:05
  Speaker 3: Point they're going to say hard, no, I would never
• 17:07
  Speaker 3: do that.
• 17:08
  Speaker 5: That happens a lot.
• 17:09
  Speaker 3: No, what else happens a lot?
• 17:10
  Speaker 2: People said, Oh, I was offered to be the next
• 17:13
  Speaker 2: house while I hear that all the time all of
• 17:16
  Speaker 2: the time.
• 17:16
  Speaker 5: That drives me insane. It's completely untrue. We've offered very
• 17:22
  Speaker 5: few people who have not taken it the job. So
• 17:24
  Speaker 5: they may have had outreached from a casting person who
• 17:27
  Speaker 5: may have said, is it something you would consider, and
• 17:29
  Speaker 5: then you know, nine.
• 17:30
  Speaker 4: Times right, and they think they got the job.
• 17:31
  Speaker 5: That's exact. Yeah, that's right. Yeah. Yeah.
• 17:33
  Speaker 4: How many people have you offered a position and they
• 17:36
  Speaker 4: turned it down as a full time housewife? Has it
• 17:40
  Speaker 4: ever happened?
• 17:42
  Speaker 5: Ninety percent of the time may be higher if they
• 17:44
  Speaker 5: take the job.
• 17:45
  Speaker 4: Yeah, that's what I figured.
• 17:46
  Speaker 2: And is this the first time this season on Beverly
• 17:48
  Speaker 2: Hills that you guys have aired that a housewife sent
• 17:51
  Speaker 2: an email that they have quit the show.
• 17:54
  Speaker 5: No, I mean I've had I could make a coffee
• 17:57
  Speaker 5: table book out of people quitting the show. So that
• 18:00
  Speaker 5: time we've eririted, but it's not the first time that
• 18:01
  Speaker 5: it's happened.
• 18:02
  Speaker 2: But is it the first time that then the person
• 18:04
  Speaker 2: hasn't actually followed through with it?
• 18:06
  Speaker 5: Uh? Yeah, I mean I think at that point. I
• 18:09
  Speaker 5: think that I talked to her months later, months after
• 18:13
  Speaker 5: she sent that, and I think that, you know, look,
• 18:16
  Speaker 5: I think that it was kind of time for.
• 18:18
  Speaker 4: Her impulsive, Right, yeah, it's kind of impulsive.
• 18:21
  Speaker 5: But I think that it was and then and but
• 18:23
  Speaker 5: I also think that it I think at core, I
• 18:26
  Speaker 5: think that I think the show had been really hard
• 18:29
  Speaker 5: for her, and I think that, you know, she had
• 18:31
  Speaker 5: worked her ass off on it, and I think given
• 18:33
  Speaker 5: a lot to it. And I do think that she
• 18:35
  Speaker 5: was fundamentally done. I think there was a conversation about
• 18:37
  Speaker 5: her continuing, but I don't think that that's what she
• 18:40
  Speaker 5: wanted to do at that point in her life. And
• 18:42
  Speaker 5: I think it made sense there. And I, you know,
• 18:45
  Speaker 5: will miss someone like Lisa Rena because she was so
• 18:49
  Speaker 5: good on the show and made such so good, was
• 18:51
  Speaker 5: on the show for a long time, right and and
• 18:53
  Speaker 5: so and I remember she's someone that was actually better
• 18:56
  Speaker 5: than I thought that she might be because I thought
• 18:58
  Speaker 5: that she was like a talk show guest, and I
• 19:01
  Speaker 5: thought that, you know, she would be kind of controlled in.
• 19:05
  Speaker 4: An actress show.
• 19:06
  Speaker 5: That's exactly because we didn't used to bring actresses onto
• 19:10
  Speaker 5: the show, and it was something we deliberately didn't do
• 19:13
  Speaker 5: on Beverly Hills because Kyle and kimire actresses, but they
• 19:16
  Speaker 5: weren't currently currently you know, in that that wasn't sort
• 19:20
  Speaker 5: of how they identified, you know, at that point in time.
• 19:23
  Speaker 5: And you know, but Rena in the best way, was
• 19:27
  Speaker 5: fantastic on the show.
• 19:28
  Speaker 3: Can we ask the question about breaking the fourth wall?
• 19:30
  Speaker 2: Because I feel like it has significantly We see it
• 19:35
  Speaker 2: more and more now across the board at which I
• 19:37
  Speaker 2: love watching it anytime it happens.
• 19:39
  Speaker 3: But the first time that I had ever felt it
• 19:42
  Speaker 3: was that season that I was on with Denise.
• 19:44
  Speaker 2: Yeah, and she brophsi but she probably did that, I
• 19:48
  Speaker 2: don't know, thirty times throughout the season anytime.
• 19:51
  Speaker 5: Well, so my policy i'm breaking the fourth wall is
• 19:54
  Speaker 5: pretty simple. We shouldn't do it unless it enhances the show, right,
• 19:58
  Speaker 5: and so you kind of do not want to be
• 20:01
  Speaker 5: self conscious about it. And it's super annoying when someone
• 20:03
  Speaker 5: is just looking into the camera or acting as though
• 20:06
  Speaker 5: they're on their own show and everyone else is on Housewives.
• 20:10
  Speaker 5: But I think if you need to break the fourth
• 20:12
  Speaker 5: wall to tell the story than you do, or if
• 20:14
  Speaker 5: there's a fun moment, then you do. So I think
• 20:16
  Speaker 5: as long as you don't set out to do it,
• 20:18
  Speaker 5: and as long as it helps you sort of you know,
• 20:21
  Speaker 5: sharpen the story and it makes it more real than
• 20:23
  Speaker 5: you do it.
• 20:23
  Speaker 2: Oh like the pretty Woman moment with Jureid, Like you
• 20:26
  Speaker 2: barely broke the fourth wall, but it made it funnier
• 20:28
  Speaker 2: and it yeah, yeah, but it didn't seem like you
• 20:30
  Speaker 2: guys were out to totally trap anybody in a situation exactly.
• 20:35
  Speaker 2: Or Shannon throughout her season on Orange County. I feel
• 20:37
  Speaker 2: like we saw more production than we saw Shannon.
• 20:40
  Speaker 5: Yeah. Well, you know they could have been in the
• 20:42
  Speaker 5: main titles with her.
• 20:44
  Speaker 4: Well, she did a lot of things, you know, off camera,
• 20:46
  Speaker 4: we'll call it off camera, but in front of production.
• 20:49
  Speaker 4: So I think that they had every opportunity to show it.
• 20:51
  Speaker 4: I'm like, have you not Laura anything shown worse? Yes,
• 20:55
  Speaker 4: they could, but I think.
• 20:56
  Speaker 5: I think that the story right, I mean, and so
• 20:58
  Speaker 5: why we showed it?
• 21:00
  Speaker 4: Yeah? Have you ever had to demote a housewife to
• 21:04
  Speaker 4: a friend?
• 21:06
  Speaker 5: Yeah, how'd that go. It's really hard because it's you know,
• 21:12
  Speaker 5: becomes a pride factor. There's always a concern that the
• 21:16
  Speaker 5: housewife will be treated differently in the group, right, And
• 21:20
  Speaker 5: I'm so it's tough to coming.
• 21:21
  Speaker 3: Did you get paused or did you get.
• 21:22
  Speaker 4: To But for the record, I did not get offered
• 21:25
  Speaker 4: a friend roll. I got offered No. It was three
• 21:29
  Speaker 4: episodes to close me out, well close around just.
• 21:34
  Speaker 2: Three episodes done done by the way I found out
• 21:37
  Speaker 2: through the Daily Mail.
• 21:38
  Speaker 3: So f off tamp.
• 21:41
  Speaker 4: Well, he ruined my vacation.
• 21:43
  Speaker 5: So well, you should have had better cells, And we.
• 21:46
  Speaker 4: Talked about that. I don't want to talk too much
• 21:47
  Speaker 4: about it because we actually talk about on your podcast.
• 21:51
  Speaker 4: How much behind the scenes are you going to expose
• 21:54
  Speaker 4: on your new show?
• 21:56
  Speaker 5: Well, I mean, we want to open up what really
• 21:58
  Speaker 5: happens so that there's an standing of it because there's
• 22:02
  Speaker 5: so much speculation, conspiracy theories run rampant. You got a
• 22:05
  Speaker 5: lot of assholes running their mouths, and so the idea
• 22:08
  Speaker 5: is to talk about as much of it as we can. Obviously,
• 22:12
  Speaker 5: there's an amount of you know, decorum that I need
• 22:14
  Speaker 5: to maintain, and so there's things I would love to
• 22:17
  Speaker 5: say that sometimes I have to think the better of right.
• 22:20
  Speaker 5: But the idea is, you know, to give real insight
• 22:23
  Speaker 5: into how the shows are actually made and what happens,
• 22:28
  Speaker 5: because there's a lot things like hirings and firings and
• 22:33
  Speaker 5: what happened in kind of some of the most buzzed
• 22:36
  Speaker 5: about moments. So that's the idea of it's and it
• 22:39
  Speaker 5: really is also a conversation between the people who are
• 22:43
  Speaker 5: on the shows and the people who make the shows,
• 22:44
  Speaker 5: and I think seeing the relationships between them is important.
• 22:48
  Speaker 2: How quickly after cham got the boot, did you guys
• 22:52
  Speaker 2: realize you needed her back?
• 22:55
  Speaker 5: Well, we knew that there would be a big hole
• 22:58
  Speaker 5: without her, right, I mean, she was such an important
• 23:00
  Speaker 5: part of the show. So it felt like at the
• 23:03
  Speaker 5: time that it was one of those necessary things that
• 23:06
  Speaker 5: would hurt us. And it did. And I had a
• 23:08
  Speaker 5: really hard time with it. And you know, my hope
• 23:11
  Speaker 5: had been, well, we could you know, kind of talk,
• 23:15
  Speaker 5: we could talk through it and figure it out and
• 23:17
  Speaker 5: you would stay a part of the show. But we
• 23:18
  Speaker 5: talk about this, you know, on my podcast as well.
• 23:21
  Speaker 5: You really hated doing the show at that point.
• 23:24
  Speaker 4: I was, I was checked out and I was going
• 23:26
  Speaker 4: through a lot at the time too. So yeah, it
• 23:28
  Speaker 4: was like and I say, it's like it's a blessing.
• 23:31
  Speaker 4: It was a blessing that happened. You know, the kid's
• 23:33
  Speaker 4: dad had cancer. I was trying to help out with that,
• 23:36
  Speaker 4: and my kids really needed me even more at that moment,
• 23:39
  Speaker 4: like all the time, and so it was best that
• 23:43
  Speaker 4: I didn't.
• 23:43
  Speaker 5: And I still felt like we had you because we
• 23:45
  Speaker 5: did a lot of talking about you.
• 23:47
  Speaker 4: Oh yeah, and every god damn episode for.
• 23:50
  Speaker 5: The single time, like Tamra would rail on about the
• 23:54
  Speaker 5: show teams. Like the other thing is you would complain
• 23:56
  Speaker 5: about what we actually aired and then what you heard
• 23:58
  Speaker 5: that we aired. Yeah, because I didn't watch, I would
• 24:01
  Speaker 5: tell you about.
• 24:01
  Speaker 2: I know, Eddie, Alex, Yes, okay, so yeah, I mean
• 24:08
  Speaker 2: I try to like play. I really have to wait
• 24:10
  Speaker 2: to like be in a real bad way to then
• 24:13
  Speaker 2: send that text to Alex. Like I'm like, I'm like,
• 24:17
  Speaker 2: see me again the ship they did that again. But
• 24:19
  Speaker 2: then I'm like, nope, I'm holding it in.
• 24:21
  Speaker 4: I've always had a really close relationship with Alex, Like
• 24:24
  Speaker 4: I know that I can always pick up the phone
• 24:26
  Speaker 4: and call him, I can text him at any time.
• 24:29
  Speaker 4: I know that he got frustrated with me a few
• 24:31
  Speaker 4: times because I was being very vocal and I had
• 24:35
  Speaker 4: a conversation with Andy and he's like, well, Tam Or,
• 24:37
  Speaker 4: you're out there talking shit. I go, Andy, you're airing
• 24:42
  Speaker 4: shit about me? Do you think in any world that
• 24:45
  Speaker 4: I'm going to keep my mouth shut? And he's like, hmm, no, taken.
• 24:50
  Speaker 5: Yeah, sometimes the best housewives are the worst ex housewives.
• 24:54
  Speaker 3: Yeah, well that makes sense for sure.
• 24:57
  Speaker 4: And I always told Alex, I'm like, if you ever
• 24:59
  Speaker 4: fire me, I'm just going I'm gone. You'll never hear
• 25:01
  Speaker 4: from me again. Yeah, how that worked out?
• 25:03
  Speaker 5: Well?
• 25:05
  Speaker 4: Yeah, right and off in that sense.
• 25:06
  Speaker 2: Then it took one phone call from me, Hey, Tam
• 25:09
  Speaker 2: want to make spect for money?
• 25:10
  Speaker 5: And yeah, to Jason a pot about the show my nightmare.
• 25:15
  Speaker 5: In a Parahol universe, we should have worked it out
• 25:17
  Speaker 5: and none of us would be here.
• 25:18
  Speaker 4: Yeah.
• 25:28
  Speaker 2: We just watched season one of the OC and we're
• 25:30
  Speaker 2: currently watching season one of Beverly Hills. An eternity ego,
• 25:36
  Speaker 2: I I mean one, even just the production value and
• 25:39
  Speaker 2: what like it, or the fact that at the reunion
• 25:42
  Speaker 2: they're just they're pretty.
• 25:43
  Speaker 3: Much wearing what I'm wearing, like even more casual.
• 25:46
  Speaker 4: Oh, s let's talk about OC I mean it was
• 25:49
  Speaker 4: even more so. Yeah, you watch it and it looks
• 25:52
  Speaker 4: like it was from thirty years ago.
• 25:53
  Speaker 5: It does. Yeah, it's time rainy.
• 25:56
  Speaker 4: The clothes they're wearing, there's zero glam, there's I mean,
• 26:00
  Speaker 4: but I'm surprised it went forward.
• 26:03
  Speaker 2: But I'm saying, oh, the show is so tough, you know,
• 26:06
  Speaker 2: watching you know, Housewives is so toxic. I'm like, if
• 26:08
  Speaker 2: you go back and watch the beginning, there was way
• 26:11
  Speaker 2: more difficult things being discussed on Orange County and Beverly.
• 26:15
  Speaker 3: Hills than now.
• 26:16
  Speaker 2: I mean now, I mean whether Sutton goes on you know,
• 26:20
  Speaker 2: two or three days versus what happened with Russell or
• 26:24
  Speaker 2: what happened.
• 26:25
  Speaker 5: I think that where I have nostalgia for the old
• 26:27
  Speaker 5: days is that a lot of it was about what
• 26:30
  Speaker 5: was going on in everybody's lives. And I think the
• 26:32
  Speaker 5: hard thing now and the thing that we try to
• 26:35
  Speaker 5: steer away from but you know, still kind of ends
• 26:38
  Speaker 5: up popping up, is that a lot of it is
• 26:40
  Speaker 5: about the dynamics between there and there's a lot of
• 26:43
  Speaker 5: gotcha stuff, right, So there's a lot of knowing something
• 26:46
  Speaker 5: about someone and then that becomes an issue where it
• 26:49
  Speaker 5: isn't to me in its pure form. It's about everyone's
• 26:53
  Speaker 5: individual spheres and their lives and then how the group
• 26:56
  Speaker 5: comes together. Right, And I think it's changed. I think
• 26:58
  Speaker 5: it's much more of a contact export now than it was,
• 27:01
  Speaker 5: especially the early days of OC, right. And I mean
• 27:05
  Speaker 5: in the first season of OC, the women barely got together.
• 27:08
  Speaker 4: It was a big deal, you know, No, they got
• 27:10
  Speaker 4: together with other friends, were cast members. I feel like
• 27:15
  Speaker 4: there was no arguing, no fighting until season three.
• 27:19
  Speaker 5: That's weird, that's what happened.
• 27:21
  Speaker 4: I don't know, and I don't even know what gave
• 27:24
  Speaker 4: me the balls to go on to a show, Like
• 27:27
  Speaker 4: I've never had any experience in TV. I was just,
• 27:29
  Speaker 4: you know, pretty much a stay at home mom that
• 27:30
  Speaker 4: did real estate and part time with a very controlling husband.
• 27:34
  Speaker 4: For me, I mean, I've always had a mouth, but
• 27:36
  Speaker 4: to just get in there and like, did you go
• 27:38
  Speaker 4: to bass Lake and the arguing and all that, I'm like,
• 27:41
  Speaker 4: that's very ballsy back then.
• 27:43
  Speaker 5: Yeah. No, you took to it right away.
• 27:45
  Speaker 3: You took to it.
• 27:46
  Speaker 2: Do you think that there's ever any because we were
• 27:50
  Speaker 2: just talking about before we even started, how Tamra will
• 27:52
  Speaker 2: let things go. Do you think there's any former OC person,
• 27:56
  Speaker 2: she will never be able to let it go away.
• 28:00
  Speaker 5: Well, obviously, I think the most deep seated issues are
• 28:03
  Speaker 5: Tamar and Gretchens, So I think that would be the
• 28:05
  Speaker 5: one that would be the toughest. Otherwise, I don't I
• 28:07
  Speaker 5: think you could probably at some point bury the hatchet
• 28:09
  Speaker 5: with everyone else.
• 28:10
  Speaker 4: Yeah, I mean I have. I buried the hatchet with
• 28:12
  Speaker 4: Alexis Bilino at Pravo Con and we talked the Gretchens.
• 28:16
  Speaker 4: That's too deep. Like, you know, once you start calling
• 28:19
  Speaker 4: reaching out to my children, you're dead to me.
• 28:22
  Speaker 5: I bet you that you guys could at some point
• 28:26
  Speaker 5: the line. But maybe next season.
• 28:30
  Speaker 4: You want to start that rumor now.
• 28:35
  Speaker 2: When she has a center orange and you're on the
• 28:37
  Speaker 2: side where yeah.
• 28:40
  Speaker 5: I want this to be clickbait.
• 28:42
  Speaker 4: Well it's going to be clickbait now, Thank you so much.
• 28:45
  Speaker 5: I love your podcast.
• 28:46
  Speaker 4: Now me not your Alex Alex so he always knows
• 28:53
  Speaker 4: what to say to make me happy.
• 28:55
  Speaker 2: Well, he's probably not going to make me happy right now,
• 28:57
  Speaker 2: but I have to act it.
• 28:58
  Speaker 3: It's on the rundown. Okay, why did I get fired?
• 29:02
  Speaker 4: Oh shit?
• 29:03
  Speaker 5: Oh god, that's tough. I think that, I mean. And also,
• 29:09
  Speaker 5: by the way, like your like eyes are.
• 29:12
  Speaker 3: Yeah, we're also we're also friends who going to lunch
• 29:16
  Speaker 3: at for this, so.
• 29:18
  Speaker 5: Yeah, I was like, I'm thinking about my lunch.
• 29:20
  Speaker 4: Just be honest, Alex. We just want your honest and
• 29:23
  Speaker 4: just want you to.
• 29:24
  Speaker 2: We want just be authentic, authentic self and to answer
• 29:27
  Speaker 2: in a way that you would in real life.
• 29:30
  Speaker 5: I think that, uh, oh god, how would I what
• 29:33
  Speaker 5: would say? I think a couple of things. I think
• 29:36
  Speaker 5: that you well, no, I think I think that in yours,
• 29:39
  Speaker 5: I think there was strong audience reaction to you. So
• 29:42
  Speaker 5: I do think that was part of it, not gonna
• 29:44
  Speaker 5: deny that. And I also think that you were self conscious.
• 29:50
  Speaker 4: She was, she's very in her head.
• 29:52
  Speaker 5: That's right where I felt. That was obviously that was
• 29:54
  Speaker 5: here where you're pregnant whatever. And I will also say this,
• 29:57
  Speaker 5: the production always how you're back. I was a big
• 30:01
  Speaker 5: fan of yours because you would say things that other
• 30:03
  Speaker 5: people were thinking and wouldn't say, And so I think
• 30:06
  Speaker 5: there was that. But I think that I think it
• 30:09
  Speaker 5: felt like then on that show you weren't comfortable in
• 30:12
  Speaker 5: your own skin. I think that was the issue.
• 30:14
  Speaker 2: And I think and not too I think if we
• 30:17
  Speaker 2: would have actually dived into.
• 30:20
  Speaker 3: Why I'm not comfortable in my own skin and those
• 30:23
  Speaker 3: bigger issues. That's those are the things.
• 30:25
  Speaker 5: That's like breaking the eighth wall though, No, but that's
• 30:27
  Speaker 5: what I want to know.
• 30:29
  Speaker 3: That not about me, I'm not.
• 30:30
  Speaker 4: That's a that's a whole that's a whole nother show.
• 30:32
  Speaker 3: But I think when we start to see the breakdown
• 30:35
  Speaker 3: of marriages or relationships or friendships, I don't want to
• 30:39
  Speaker 3: just read it. I want to feel it.
• 30:41
  Speaker 2: Like that's why I think we are seeing a different
• 30:43
  Speaker 2: side of Erica, Like because finally all that shit happens,
• 30:47
  Speaker 2: we got to see a different side of her.
• 30:49
  Speaker 5: Well. I think that's a really good point. And I
• 30:51
  Speaker 5: think because that goes to what we were saying before
• 30:53
  Speaker 5: about also investing in the groups on the show, because
• 30:58
  Speaker 5: I think it's life changing to do the show, and
• 31:01
  Speaker 5: I think people do get better at it. I think
• 31:03
  Speaker 5: they grow into it. Other than I mean, sure, there's
• 31:05
  Speaker 5: a million counterpoints of people who are open and honest
• 31:07
  Speaker 5: at first and then buy into all the audience bullshit
• 31:09
  Speaker 5: and don't give a real version.
• 31:11
  Speaker 1: Right.
• 31:11
  Speaker 5: Yeah, I mean, so that happens, right, because there's the
• 31:13
  Speaker 5: scientific principle of that you change the thing you're studying
• 31:16
  Speaker 5: by studying it. Yeah, that can happen, but I think otherwise,
• 31:19
  Speaker 5: especially once you have a real group, I think then
• 31:22
  Speaker 5: you know, you want to take advantage of that, the
• 31:25
  Speaker 5: fact that people grow close together and and you know,
• 31:29
  Speaker 5: so it's say you have those real dynamics and you
• 31:31
  Speaker 5: want to examine someone's life and you have more of
• 31:34
  Speaker 5: a chance to do that over a period of time.
• 31:36
  Speaker 2: And how often do you think housewives that you currently
• 31:40
  Speaker 2: work with really pander to Twitter or what the audience
• 31:45
  Speaker 2: is say?
• 31:45
  Speaker 5: I would love to say not at all, but I
• 31:47
  Speaker 5: think that, you know, it's the constant challenge of the
• 31:50
  Speaker 5: show is to eliminate all of that noise. And the
• 31:53
  Speaker 5: early seasons of Orange County did not have any of that.
• 31:56
  Speaker 5: There wasn't that. We had MySpace, Yeah that's.
• 32:00
  Speaker 4: Right, Yeah, my Space and Facebook that was it.
• 32:03
  Speaker 5: And the Bravo blogs you remember those. Oh those were horrible,
• 32:06
  Speaker 5: horrible time but with badness, you know that Brava had
• 32:08
  Speaker 5: to turn off and so so yeah, I mean that's
• 32:11
  Speaker 5: the biggest thing that we try to get people to
• 32:12
  Speaker 5: do is not to take a uh, you know, the
• 32:15
  Speaker 5: temperature on what's going on on social media and then
• 32:18
  Speaker 5: calibrate what they do based on that, because that doesn't
• 32:21
  Speaker 5: read well. And also the audience can be really fickle, right,
• 32:24
  Speaker 5: I mean, so they can say one thing to you
• 32:26
  Speaker 5: and then once you buy into it, then they resent
• 32:28
  Speaker 5: you for doing what you thought they wanted you to do.
• 32:31
  Speaker 2: Well, what We're fickle from week to week watching all
• 32:33
  Speaker 2: the different shows. Like one week I'll be like, oh,
• 32:35
  Speaker 2: I can't stand her, and then the next week I'm.
• 32:37
  Speaker 3: Like, oh, we love her. She's our new favorite housewife
• 32:40
  Speaker 3: to watch.
• 32:40
  Speaker 4: So, well, you're only as good as this week's episode.
• 32:43
  Speaker 5: Well if my dad, it was a script writer, said
• 32:46
  Speaker 5: to me reality TV is sports for women, And I
• 32:48
  Speaker 5: think that's true. You have rooting.
• 32:49
  Speaker 4: Interests and you get I didn't know that about your dad.
• 32:52
  Speaker 5: Yeah, yeah, yeah, he wrote for a bunch of shows.
• 32:55
  Speaker 4: So you come from a family in the ice cream
• 32:58
  Speaker 4: and writers, ice cream writers.
• 33:00
  Speaker 5: That's right? A yes, a Jamokah Allman. Script.
• 33:07
  Speaker 4: Oh are you a fan of bringing back past housewives?
• 33:11
  Speaker 4: I am recycling, recycling the ladies.
• 33:14
  Speaker 5: Well, I am to a point. I think that it
• 33:16
  Speaker 5: can be lazy, and so I also think that I
• 33:19
  Speaker 5: think shows have to progress, and I think sometimes they
• 33:22
  Speaker 5: can with past customers, and I think been taking you
• 33:25
  Speaker 5: for example, where you still had all those relationships within
• 33:28
  Speaker 5: the group and beyond the fact that you know, you're
• 33:31
  Speaker 5: iconic to that franchise. So that made sense to me.
• 33:34
  Speaker 5: But I think sometimes we can reach back where we
• 33:36
  Speaker 5: should be looking forward.
• 33:37
  Speaker 3: Yeah, that makes sense.
• 33:39
  Speaker 2: And then what about once somebody does something to production
• 33:45
  Speaker 2: or to whatever and kind of crosses that line, how
• 33:48
  Speaker 2: do you then get to that place of going, Okay,
• 33:50
  Speaker 2: I want we're going to forgive that, or we will
• 33:52
  Speaker 2: bring this person back. Because there has been housewives.
• 33:55
  Speaker 3: Throughout that really have you think this pause.
• 33:59
  Speaker 2: Is actually forever, Like there are certain and then all
• 34:01
  Speaker 2: of a sudden they pop back in.
• 34:03
  Speaker 5: Well, there are very few red lines, and whenever we,
• 34:07
  Speaker 5: you know, create them, then we don't always hold them.
• 34:11
  Speaker 5: So it's like, if this person does this, if this
• 34:12
  Speaker 5: person treated production a certain way, you can move on.
• 34:16
  Speaker 5: You can get over it. And it's just like you know, Tam,
• 34:19
  Speaker 5: I'm sure your feelings about never coming back right at first,
• 34:22
  Speaker 5: I'm never going to do it, and and then you
• 34:23
  Speaker 5: get over it right and life goes on.
• 34:25
  Speaker 4: It's like childbirth. So if after a while you forget
• 34:30
  Speaker 4: about it and.
• 34:32
  Speaker 3: You decide to have another case, you decide to do
• 34:33
  Speaker 3: it again.
• 34:34
  Speaker 5: This, Yeah, so, but I but I think that's but
• 34:39
  Speaker 5: I think it's really circumstantial. I think then there are
• 34:41
  Speaker 5: other things that aren't forgivable, and there are things you know,
• 34:43
  Speaker 5: we're really just ultimately not on the same team, or
• 34:46
  Speaker 5: it's someone that we can't trust. Then you you know
• 34:48
  Speaker 5: you can't bring them back. You shouldn't bring them back.
• 34:51
  Speaker 4: Right, Yeah, if they always had fake storylines and things
• 34:55
  Speaker 4: like that, like they borrowed a Rolls Royce and said
• 35:00
  Speaker 4: it was a birthday.
• 35:01
  Speaker 3: Present, I feel like she might be alluding to someone.
• 35:04
  Speaker 5: I have no idea what she's talking about.
• 35:17
  Speaker 4: Let's switch gears to vander Pump rules.
• 35:19
  Speaker 5: Oh, let's do it.
• 35:20
  Speaker 4: Yes, where were you at the moment when you found
• 35:24
  Speaker 4: out about Sandabal scandal? All I should say.
• 35:27
  Speaker 5: I had a launch the whole like timeline of events
• 35:31
  Speaker 5: is that Arianna had texted our talent producer the whole thing,
• 35:37
  Speaker 5: so basically screenshots about what happened. So basically so it
• 35:42
  Speaker 5: because so you don't get to see the video, never
• 35:45
  Speaker 5: have never seen that, do not even know anything about that.
• 35:50
  Speaker 5: And it's great to be able to say that. Yeah,
• 35:52
  Speaker 5: but it's but so she texted him on it was
• 35:56
  Speaker 5: on a Thursday because she had just you know, sort
• 35:59
  Speaker 5: of found Santaval's phone or it had fallen out of
• 36:02
  Speaker 5: his pocket. On that Wednesday night late I found if
• 36:05
  Speaker 5: there's a talent producer was trying to confirm a shoe
• 36:08
  Speaker 5: at their house. She's like, well, let me tell you.
• 36:11
  Speaker 5: Here's where we are. Here's what happened. And then talent
• 36:14
  Speaker 5: producer called the show runner, and showrunner called me because.
• 36:19
  Speaker 3: Why did they say it was like done filming.
• 36:21
  Speaker 5: Because we were already done with production.
• 36:22
  Speaker 3: Okay, so it was just like a pickup or something.
• 36:25
  Speaker 5: Well, yeah, we were. We were completely so, I mean
• 36:27
  Speaker 5: we had wrapped and we were we had three weeks
• 36:30
  Speaker 5: until the reunion. I mean we were. We were, And
• 36:32
  Speaker 5: that's where we picked up cameras right away and we
• 36:34
  Speaker 5: found out because our big point to the network was, look,
• 36:38
  Speaker 5: this isn't just something we should talk about at the reunion.
• 36:40
  Speaker 5: This is really gonna, you know, completely shatter all these relationships, right,
• 36:43
  Speaker 5: so we need to pick up the cameras.
• 36:45
  Speaker 3: Did you have any idea when you were kind of
• 36:47
  Speaker 3: watching back this season prior like now watching in hindsight,
• 36:51
  Speaker 3: they were like, oh my gosh, how did we miss this?
• 36:54
  Speaker 5: Well, I mean, we knew there were a million rumors
• 36:56
  Speaker 5: about them over time, and even on that season. The
• 36:59
  Speaker 5: reason that nobody believed us but that we didn't do
• 37:01
  Speaker 5: any we didn't know or we didn't but we didn't
• 37:03
  Speaker 5: have to do any re editing. And and you know,
• 37:05
  Speaker 5: like seven episodes you know, were locked at that point.
• 37:09
  Speaker 5: Was this had come up as a rumor, right, and
• 37:12
  Speaker 5: so there was a question are they in an open
• 37:14
  Speaker 5: relationship or you know, what is going on between the
• 37:17
  Speaker 5: two of those? So that was all there. I just
• 37:18
  Speaker 5: didn't believe it, right, Yeah.
• 37:20
  Speaker 4: I mean in your world, you probably hear rumors all
• 37:22
  Speaker 4: the time. Right now, there were there was a rumors
• 37:26
  Speaker 4: of rumors that Band of Properules was getting ready to
• 37:30
  Speaker 4: be canceled.
• 37:31
  Speaker 5: That isn't true. So I have so to clarify the
• 37:33
  Speaker 5: record on that. We had a really tough season nine
• 37:38
  Speaker 5: of that because we were really impacted by two things.
• 37:40
  Speaker 5: I mean, one is there was a cash shake up, right,
• 37:42
  Speaker 5: and so there were a bunch of mainstays that were
• 37:44
  Speaker 5: no longer part of that group. And then COVID really
• 37:48
  Speaker 5: hurt that show because it was a show about people
• 37:49
  Speaker 5: who were up and out all the time. Yeah, no,
• 37:52
  Speaker 5: I was and it really was, and I was a
• 37:54
  Speaker 5: tough season, that was a labor but once we had
• 37:57
  Speaker 5: to pick up for season ten and we got into it,
• 37:59
  Speaker 5: that was a very wrong season regardless, and people, you know,
• 38:02
  Speaker 5: thought that was sort of a renaissance season and the
• 38:04
  Speaker 5: ratings were good. Now Scandabal, you know, completely elevated that
• 38:09
  Speaker 5: into a different stratosphere. But but the show was, you know,
• 38:14
  Speaker 5: in pretty good health.
• 38:15
  Speaker 2: And then what do you think that because clearly there's
• 38:19
  Speaker 2: been I don't know sixteen podcasts that Bethany did with
• 38:22
  Speaker 2: Raquel Rachel about this, and you know, she she kind
• 38:27
  Speaker 2: of contradicts herself back in just a few times, just
• 38:30
  Speaker 2: a few thousand times. It's like, I would never want
• 38:32
  Speaker 2: to do it, but it's because I wasn't paid with
• 38:33
  Speaker 2: this person was paid.
• 38:34
  Speaker 3: Like, do you think there would have been like do.
• 38:38
  Speaker 5: You think she should have come back? I do? I do.
• 38:40
  Speaker 5: I think that I think in large part of her
• 38:42
  Speaker 5: wanted to. We had numerous conversations about it. I think
• 38:46
  Speaker 5: she was really conflicted. I think she had a really
• 38:48
  Speaker 5: good offer in front of her, and I think that
• 38:51
  Speaker 5: that might have been a good place for her to
• 38:54
  Speaker 5: be heard. And I think that, you know, look, I
• 38:58
  Speaker 5: think we always treated her with respect and we would
• 39:00
  Speaker 5: have continued to do so, and we wanted what was
• 39:03
  Speaker 5: best for her.
• 39:04
  Speaker 2: And one of the producers there was we just saw
• 39:06
  Speaker 2: it said like we always liked working with her.
• 39:08
  Speaker 3: She was super nice.
• 39:09
  Speaker 2: I mean, who knows it's on like I forget somebody
• 39:13
  Speaker 2: named Shanna Gena Ghanna.
• 39:16
  Speaker 5: Yeah, yeah, I know. I mean, I mean we had
• 39:17
  Speaker 5: a good relationship with her. I mean, I so, you know,
• 39:19
  Speaker 5: until all of us happened, and it wasn't that that
• 39:22
  Speaker 5: relationship was even particularly strained, but there were a lot
• 39:24
  Speaker 5: of people that were speaking on her behalf right, and
• 39:26
  Speaker 5: I think she's someone who can be influenced, and I
• 39:28
  Speaker 5: think that that's what happened. And I thought, you know, look,
• 39:32
  Speaker 5: if I think about the best of the interview, exactly
• 39:34
  Speaker 5: what you would think that I do. I think that
• 39:36
  Speaker 5: there is I'm all in favor of Rachel speaking out.
• 39:39
  Speaker 5: I think she's a speaker piece. I think that there
• 39:41
  Speaker 5: were all, you know, grave and gross and accuracies there,
• 39:46
  Speaker 5: and it.
• 39:46
  Speaker 3: Was very self serving to one person and not the other.
• 39:49
  Speaker 5: I and I, you know, so I had a hard
• 39:50
  Speaker 5: time with that, and I actually I couldn't watch the
• 39:53
  Speaker 5: whole thing, but I mean, I, you know, certainly know
• 39:55
  Speaker 5: all about it.
• 39:56
  Speaker 4: Yeah, yeah, I listened to it was very frustrating. I
• 40:00
  Speaker 4: have to believe that you guys talk about her, not you,
• 40:04
  Speaker 4: but the show, the cast talks about her a lot.
• 40:07
  Speaker 5: Well season we're I mean we certainly, I would say,
• 40:10
  Speaker 5: it isn't a focal point in the sense that we
• 40:12
  Speaker 5: really try to move on from the people who aren't there,
• 40:14
  Speaker 5: and there's plenty for us to cover, but we have
• 40:16
  Speaker 5: to acknowledge, you know, that she's not there. And also
• 40:20
  Speaker 5: that group was reading the same things that everyone else
• 40:24
  Speaker 5: was about her, you know, in the media, and whether
• 40:26
  Speaker 5: she would come back in all of that stuff. But
• 40:29
  Speaker 5: I think the biggest thing is I just think that
• 40:31
  Speaker 5: it's not so much what everyone else says about her,
• 40:33
  Speaker 5: and I think they actually show a lot of compassion
• 40:36
  Speaker 5: toward her, because I think their feelings about her at
• 40:39
  Speaker 5: the reunion were one thing, and they just needed time,
• 40:42
  Speaker 5: you know, And I think that they would have welcomed
• 40:43
  Speaker 5: her back in the way that they would have not everyone,
• 40:46
  Speaker 5: but I think that, you know, they would have tried
• 40:48
  Speaker 5: to move forward. And I think that she did herself
• 40:51
  Speaker 5: a disserface and that's her decision to make But from
• 40:54
  Speaker 5: my point of view, I think it would have served
• 40:57
  Speaker 5: it well to come back.
• 40:57
  Speaker 2: And what about the extent, like the extent of all
• 41:01
  Speaker 2: the hate coming towards Sandoval, like ye at this point still,
• 41:05
  Speaker 2: I mean.
• 41:05
  Speaker 4: I was I was going to say, like he was
• 41:07
  Speaker 4: booed at Bravo con Laala stuck up from and Andy
• 41:12
  Speaker 4: Cohen also said like how long are you going to
• 41:14
  Speaker 4: do this?
• 41:14
  Speaker 3: Guys?
• 41:14
  Speaker 5: Man? Like well, And I think one of the things
• 41:17
  Speaker 5: that I don't understand is there seems to be this
• 41:20
  Speaker 5: notion and there was a question directed to us at
• 41:22
  Speaker 5: the producer's panel about him benefiting from this, like sort
• 41:26
  Speaker 5: of don't you think that Rachel was the victim from this?
• 41:28
  Speaker 5: And don't you think that he's cashed out and has
• 41:31
  Speaker 5: benefited and everyone taking advantage of Like how so how
• 41:34
  Speaker 5: do you think like, you know, I think that he
• 41:36
  Speaker 5: did something that he shouldn't have done, you know, so
• 41:40
  Speaker 5: clearly everyone can agree on that. But I also think
• 41:43
  Speaker 5: that he has had a come up, and you know
• 41:46
  Speaker 5: that is certainly commensurate with that, right, And I think
• 41:48
  Speaker 5: is is I think like we all know the story
• 41:51
  Speaker 5: at this point, so I just don't know what more
• 41:53
  Speaker 5: there is to say and you.
• 41:55
  Speaker 2: And also I know this is not a Bravo show,
• 41:57
  Speaker 2: but I watched Special Forces. I've been watching that and
• 42:01
  Speaker 2: you can see a broken man coming in like wanting
• 42:04
  Speaker 2: to get his ass kicks, like you can. You can
• 42:07
  Speaker 2: feel aside to him where I'm like, Okay, listen.
• 42:09
  Speaker 5: He said he's a real person, And I think that's
• 42:11
  Speaker 5: that's the hardest thing I think in making these shows
• 42:14
  Speaker 5: is and you know, certainly it's something we wrestle with
• 42:17
  Speaker 5: his producers where I think the audience invests because these
• 42:22
  Speaker 5: are real people. But then I almost think because we
• 42:24
  Speaker 5: were saying before using you know, sorting the sporting analogy,
• 42:27
  Speaker 5: then I think you can dehumanize people a little bit.
• 42:29
  Speaker 5: And I think that's really tough. And I think that
• 42:31
  Speaker 5: no matter how strong you are, no matter how much
• 42:33
  Speaker 5: you tell yourself that it isn't real and these people
• 42:36
  Speaker 5: don't know you, it's very hard not to take that in.
• 42:39
  Speaker 5: And I think if you're talk standible and everywhere you
• 42:41
  Speaker 5: go you're that guy, I think that's really hard on anyone.
• 42:46
  Speaker 2: Especially when why am I blanking on his name is
• 42:48
  Speaker 2: now getting to be this best guy human ever?
• 42:51
  Speaker 5: Raquel's X what oh James.
• 42:53
  Speaker 4: James James, I mean it's confusing, confusing.
• 42:59
  Speaker 5: But that goes to the fickleness too, right.
• 43:01
  Speaker 2: Right, Yeah, like we all forget so that I know
• 43:05
  Speaker 2: that's right, we all forget.
• 43:07
  Speaker 4: Well, we see the hate towards Tom kind of change
• 43:11
  Speaker 4: or turn a corner.
• 43:13
  Speaker 5: Next season, the group shifts and so there are you know,
• 43:18
  Speaker 5: some unlikely friendships emerge, and there's real conversations about all
• 43:22
  Speaker 5: of this, and it's very raw and so I think
• 43:29
  Speaker 5: you said, I mean, I'm utterly fascinated by it. We
• 43:33
  Speaker 5: do break the fourth wall a bunch to acknowledge the
• 43:36
  Speaker 5: situation that we're in, and we have to acknowledge that
• 43:40
  Speaker 5: the real world is and and kind of you know,
• 43:43
  Speaker 5: standom is a part and large of the fact that
• 43:45
  Speaker 5: Tom and Arianna live in the same house together, but
• 43:47
  Speaker 5: they have very different lives, and so we have to
• 43:51
  Speaker 5: acknowledge the real world, you know, to be able to
• 43:53
  Speaker 5: fully delve into that.
• 43:56
  Speaker 4: Yeah. I just think the amount of hate he's getting
• 43:59
  Speaker 4: is just so nasty. It is He's a human being.
• 44:02
  Speaker 4: People like he did something wrong, and I feel like
• 44:06
  Speaker 4: he's handling.
• 44:06
  Speaker 5: It well, he's tougher than I am, He strong I am,
• 44:10
  Speaker 5: that's for sure.
• 44:10
  Speaker 2: He for sure is, and then kind of because we
• 44:14
  Speaker 2: know we're running out of time, what do we want
• 44:18
  Speaker 2: to ask him?
• 44:18
  Speaker 3: What should be?
• 44:18
  Speaker 5: Guys?
• 44:19
  Speaker 3: What should be our final thing that we dig into
• 44:22
  Speaker 3: out now?
• 44:23
  Speaker 4: And bravos, Hot Mike, are you going to be interviewing
• 44:26
  Speaker 4: ex housewives, current housewives, producers of the Housewives. Who are
• 44:31
  Speaker 4: you going to have as guests?
• 44:32
  Speaker 5: So all of those so current cast, former cast, producers,
• 44:37
  Speaker 5: network executives, anyone who contributes to making the shows. And
• 44:42
  Speaker 5: then also celebrity super fans, you know, anyone who has
• 44:46
  Speaker 5: some sort of insight into this world, this bubble that
• 44:50
  Speaker 5: we're in. I also want to hear from the audience
• 44:52
  Speaker 5: what they want us to talk about, right, and so
• 44:55
  Speaker 5: what they want demystified, happy to talk about all of it.
• 45:00
  Speaker 5: And really, like I said, I mean, it got to
• 45:02
  Speaker 5: the point where as much as we have tried not to,
• 45:05
  Speaker 5: is production be the story? Clearly we are hard to
• 45:08
  Speaker 5: some extent the story, and people want to know how
• 45:10
  Speaker 5: the shows are really made. And so you felt like
• 45:13
  Speaker 5: it was time to open up the kimono so to speak.
• 45:17
  Speaker 5: Why does that sound disgusting?
• 45:18
  Speaker 2: It sounds it sounds sounds dirty, It sounds like a lot,
• 45:21
  Speaker 2: But I think Also, something that is interesting is within
• 45:25
  Speaker 2: every group of women on every franchise, there's multiple producers
• 45:30
  Speaker 2: like in the mix, and there are ones that different
• 45:33
  Speaker 2: women connect with. Yes, so then they have these trust
• 45:36
  Speaker 2: systems with certain people. And I think even if you guys,
• 45:40
  Speaker 2: digging into that and talking to different producers within each
• 45:43
  Speaker 2: show is so cool too, because some you can see
• 45:46
  Speaker 2: the relationship between the person that you're talking to sometimes
• 45:49
  Speaker 2: and you're like, Okay, she hates him, she's actually mad
• 45:53
  Speaker 2: at him, not the woman that she's actually talking to.
• 45:57
  Speaker 3: Like we've had moments like that.
• 45:58
  Speaker 4: Do you have a dream gust Andy Cohen or.
• 46:02
  Speaker 5: Well, yeah, I mean it definitely. You know he'll do
• 46:05
  Speaker 5: it and rhymes.
• 46:07
  Speaker 2: With Eddie Mellencamp smelling camp rhymes with schmeddy shmelling camp.
• 46:12
  Speaker 3: Yeah, he's been dying. It's like been sliding into my dms.
• 46:16
  Speaker 3: I'm like, enough already, I told you I'm not doing it.
• 46:19
  Speaker 3: I told you too, busy problem, Yeah did busy.
• 46:25
  Speaker 5: I think the fun thing for me will be to
• 46:28
  Speaker 5: give voice to people who have a lot to say
• 46:31
  Speaker 5: that you otherwise might not hear from. So I think
• 46:32
  Speaker 5: it's the you know, showrunners and post EPs and those
• 46:37
  Speaker 5: kinds of people who I think can get into the
• 46:39
  Speaker 5: nitty gritty of the process in a way that people
• 46:41
  Speaker 5: want to know. That will, you know, hopefully debunk conspiracy
• 46:45
  Speaker 5: theories on Reddit.
• 46:46
  Speaker 4: Yeah, oh yeah, well there's no better person to do
• 46:50
  Speaker 4: it than you, Alex. You've been here since the very beginning.
• 46:53
  Speaker 2: And you have made some incredible television and we love
• 46:56
  Speaker 2: watching and recapping it, even though we cause you so
• 46:59
  Speaker 2: many problems. Please make sure you guys find Bravos Hot
• 47:02
  Speaker 2: Mic with Alex Baskin, you know, from the ice cream.
• 47:08
  Speaker 4: When he's not scooping ice cream, give you.
• 47:12
  Speaker 3: He's got a huge trust funds. You know, I always
• 47:17
  Speaker 3: say saying for his own pod, and always.
• 47:20
  Speaker 5: Say if my parents had worked harder, I wouldn't have
• 47:22
  Speaker 5: to do that.
• 47:23
  Speaker 4: Right. Do we have a launch date?
• 47:27
  Speaker 5: November fourteenth?
• 47:28
  Speaker 4: November fourteenth, that's right?
• 47:29
  Speaker 3: Yeah, all right, we can't wait because I can't wait.
• 47:31
  Speaker 3: First guess and all the juice.
• 47:34
  Speaker 4: We're gonna have to recap that. Put that on our
• 47:36
  Speaker 4: list of thanks to recap.
• 47:38
  Speaker 3: Wait to recap that.
• 47:41
  Speaker 4: We'll put you in those headlines.
• 47:43
  Speaker 3: Alex, I can't wait for it. You've already been in
• 47:46
  Speaker 3: the headliness a good amount, so this is good.
• 47:47
  Speaker 4: We get some We're like, can you believe Alex Baskin
• 47:51
  Speaker 4: said this.
• 47:52
  Speaker 5: There's gonna be a great tit for tat. Then I'm
• 47:54
  Speaker 5: going to go back and I'm going to have to
• 47:56
  Speaker 5: respond to what you guys have said, and it's just
• 47:57
  Speaker 5: going to be this endless loop.
• 47:59
  Speaker 3: I mean to restapping her own interviews.
• 48:05
  Speaker 4: Yeah, I can change that narrative.
• 48:10
  Speaker 3: Well, thank you guys. We appreciate everybody taking the time.
• 48:13
  Speaker 2: Keep tuning in, and we will be back next week
• 48:17
  Speaker 2: to recap all the other shows that y'all will be airing.
• 48:21
  Speaker 4: Don't forget about Beverly Hills Season one flashback.
• 48:27
  Speaker 2: We have a special guest joining us, but I haven't
• 48:29
  Speaker 2: been able to check my phone to see if she
• 48:31
  Speaker 2: said yes, good bye bye,