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The Truth About Halloween: Ancient Beliefs, Spirits & Symbolism · Ryder Lee

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  Speaker 1: with us today here to talk with us about Halloween
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  Speaker 1: and the true meaning of it, just in time for
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  Speaker 1: spooky holiday season. I'm all dressed up in my Halloween
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  Speaker 1: get up. He is the host of The Secret Teachings,
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  Speaker 1: author researcher, veteran radio host, good friend of mine, Ryan
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  Speaker 1: Gable welcome back to the show. How's it going, my friend?
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  Speaker 1: It's been a minute since I've done a show. It's
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  Speaker 1: doing my thing.
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  Speaker 2: The editing is the worst part. Well, some people like editing,
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  Speaker 2: but I think it's the worst part.
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  Speaker 1: Yeah, it's a lot of fun. I actually really enjoy it.
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  Speaker 1: But sometimes, bro, it's just it gets to the point
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  Speaker 1: where you're like, oh my god, dude, it is when
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  Speaker 1: I'm freaking bang my head against the wall or something.
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  Speaker 1: It gets overwhelming at times. But I like the problem
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  Speaker 1: solving aspect of it because I'm a problem solver. Yes,
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  Speaker 1: that's what I like the most about it. But man,
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  Speaker 1: I've missed a lot of stuff. A lot of stuff
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  Speaker 1: has happened. I know the show is about Halloween, and
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  Speaker 1: we're definitely going to talk about Halloween, but holy crap,
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  Speaker 1: I've missed a lot. Charlie Kirk assassination, Government.
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  Speaker 3: Shut You didn't even cover that.
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  Speaker 1: Nope, didn't cover it. Amazon Cloud server went down, which
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  Speaker 1: then shut down half the Internet.
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  Speaker 3: Like I did hear about that?
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  Speaker 1: You didn't hear about that. Yeah, so the Amazon cloudserver
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  Speaker 1: went down, and like half the Internet was like then
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  Speaker 1: shut down.
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  Speaker 2: It's so I'm so burned out with much of this
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  Speaker 2: stuff that I have just tried to focus on my
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  Speaker 2: specialty history, myth symbolism, stuff like that.
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  Speaker 1: Yeah, that seems to be the thing to kind of
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  Speaker 1: and I'm actually lucky that I skipped over a lot
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  Speaker 1: of this stuff because it's just like it's just over
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  Speaker 1: and over and over again, same stuff. But yeah, that happened,
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  Speaker 1: which seems like it would be a really big problem
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  Speaker 1: that if one company like runs all the servers for
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  Speaker 1: like half the Internet. Kind of strange. And then we
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  Speaker 1: got the government shut down and all that, which is
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  Speaker 1: kind of crazy too because active, well at least in
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  Speaker 1: my area, active duty military is not getting paid, which
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  Speaker 1: has only happened one other time in the history of
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  Speaker 1: the United States, which was in twenty nineteen.
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  Speaker 2: I wonder if the irs still gets paid.
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  Speaker 1: Oh, I'm sure they do.
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  Speaker 2: I'm sure there's a bunch of different government branches that
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  Speaker 2: still make money, still get paid.
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  Speaker 1: But does that not seem like a huge problem? Ryan.
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  Speaker 1: If the government is not in operation, then the military
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  Speaker 1: essentially falls apart. I see that as a big, a
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  Speaker 1: big issue.
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  Speaker 2: I haven't put much thought into the recent shutdown, but
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  Speaker 2: I have considered how I think I've heard other people
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  Speaker 2: talk about this too. Obviously, you don't need that big
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  Speaker 2: of a government because your lives proceed onward. Each day
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  Speaker 2: of the government is quote shut down. But then again,
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  Speaker 2: what is the definition of shut down? Because, as you
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  Speaker 2: just said, military might not be getting paid, but I'm
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  Speaker 2: sure that there are some people in the military getting paid.
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  Speaker 2: I'm sure that checks to defense contractors are still being cashed.
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  Speaker 2: I'm sure that there's some generals still making some money.
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  Speaker 2: It's probably the low level, average soldier who doesn't get paid,
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  Speaker 2: but I'm sure the generals make money. I'm sure the
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  Speaker 2: high level of people and the companies that they work
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  Speaker 2: with to make weapons, I'm sure that they all still
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  Speaker 2: get paid. I would have very little trust in anybody
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  Speaker 2: who suggests otherwise. I'm sure the money still moves so well.
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  Speaker 1: That's the thing about it is that the money for
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  Speaker 1: all the military services are allocated at the beginning of
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  Speaker 1: every single year the budget. It's already figured it out
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  Speaker 1: at the beginning of every year, So where's the money?
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  Speaker 1: Why aren't they getting paid? You know, it's something that
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  Speaker 1: no one's really brought up, and I'm sure it has
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  Speaker 1: something to do with congressional things, like they had the
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  Speaker 1: money but it wasn't there in time or whatever the
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  Speaker 1: excuse is. But it's allocated for every single military service
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  Speaker 1: at the beginning of every year. So it's kind of
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  Speaker 1: weird that only within how long has it been since
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  Speaker 1: the government shut down, like less than a month. It's
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  Speaker 1: coming up on a month here soon, that the active
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  Speaker 1: duty military isn't getting paid. I mean NASA laid off
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  Speaker 1: like what I mean, not furloughed, NASA furloaed like nineteen
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  Speaker 1: thousand employees just two days after the government shut down.
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  Speaker 1: So it's like, are all these institutions like bankrupt? Do
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  Speaker 1: they not have any money in reserve in case something
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  Speaker 1: like this happens. You would think that the military in
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  Speaker 1: the United States would have enough money in reserve. But
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  Speaker 1: it's so weird that because based off of that logic,
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  Speaker 1: if some active duty military are not currently getting paid,
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  Speaker 1: NASA has to furlough all of these people. A lot
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  Speaker 1: of these government contractors and people are getting furloughed. That
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  Speaker 1: means that these companies and organizations are only existing from
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  Speaker 1: month to month.
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  Speaker 2: I think a lot of it is simply politics, and
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  Speaker 2: I think it's gross and disgusting on both sides.
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  Speaker 1: That seems to be a really big chink in the
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  Speaker 1: armor though, Like if you can't go over a month
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  Speaker 1: without furloughing a crap ton of employees for your military
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  Speaker 1: and then not paying active duty soldiers, that seems to
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  Speaker 1: be a really big problem in a really big issue.
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  Speaker 1: But with Halloween approaching this week, let's peel back those layers.
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  Speaker 1: Because with every holiday, pretty much there seems to be
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  Speaker 1: the public's perception of what that holiday is, and then
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  Speaker 1: there is the hidden meaning or the true meaning, if
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  Speaker 1: you will. As as far as I can tell, most
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  Speaker 1: look at like Halloween as the reason to dress up.
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  Speaker 1: I mean, I'm dressed up right now, but to go
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  Speaker 1: out and get candy, which is fun. Other you know,
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  Speaker 1: fundamentalist Christians believe that it's you know, satanic. And I
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  Speaker 1: don't know if you're familiar with this quote, but it's
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  Speaker 1: from Anton Leavy, which everyone should know who Anton LaVey is.
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  Speaker 1: He was the head of the Church of Satan. But
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  Speaker 1: he had this quote. I think it's been misquoted, and
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  Speaker 1: there's been different variations of the quote, but it essentially
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  Speaker 1: goes something like, I'm glad that parents let their children
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  Speaker 1: worship the devil at least one night out of the year.
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  Speaker 1: Are you familiar with that quote?
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  Speaker 3: Very familiar with right, yes?
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  Speaker 1: Yeah, So what's the origin of this holiday? Ryan?
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  Speaker 3: So I have a couple of one.
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  Speaker 2: We should note that there have been countless times throughout history,
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  Speaker 2: both in the United States and in other countries, where
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  Speaker 2: soldiers were not getting paid. This is not an abnormal
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  Speaker 2: or uncommon thing. But in regard to Halloween, in the
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  Speaker 2: history of Halloween, yes, I've first heard that quote many
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  Speaker 2: many times. And that quote, like so many other Anton
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  Speaker 2: LaVey quotes, are usually taken out of context, kind of
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  Speaker 2: like when Leo Zagami, who I've been friends with for
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  Speaker 2: a long time, Leo Zagami, who I know you've met too,
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  Speaker 2: he joked one time. I think it was on a
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  Speaker 2: YouTube video. He joked one time he said something like
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  Speaker 2: I am Satan, and then of course people are messaging me.
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  Speaker 2: He just admitted that he worships the devil and there's
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  Speaker 2: no context for a joke, or like Candice Own's recently
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  Speaker 2: was talking about how Sam Altman and Peter Teel and
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  Speaker 2: she mentioned maybe Bill Gates or somebody else, but she
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  Speaker 2: mentioned how a lot of these tech people. Elon Musk
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  Speaker 2: I think was the other one, how they kind of
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  Speaker 2: don't act human and there's something in their eyes. They
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  Speaker 2: don't really seem like they're human. Maybe they're possessed by something,
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  Speaker 2: And I think she was approaching that from a Catholic
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  Speaker 2: demonic possession exorcism idea. But anyway, the point is when
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  Speaker 2: she said that, you know, people take that little clip and.
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  Speaker 3: She's totally crazy.
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  Speaker 2: She believes what David Ike believes now and if you
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  Speaker 2: don't understand what monologuing is, that's what Candae Owans was doing.
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  Speaker 2: So it's like that with what Leo Zagami said, or
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  Speaker 2: many times on the show. I've joked around and said
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  Speaker 2: on my own show, I've said, you know, I'm a witch.
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  Speaker 2: I have spices in my kitchen and I tend to
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  Speaker 2: use herbal remedies for things. That's the definition of witchcraft.
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  Speaker 2: Then people think that I'm like a witch, or if
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  Speaker 2: I say well, I'm not a Christian, just to confirm
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  Speaker 2: that my point of view is not skewed in the
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  Speaker 2: Christian direction. Then people think he's a witch who rejects Christ.
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  Speaker 2: It's that kind of silly thing. And I don't like
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  Speaker 2: Anton Levey. I don't really hate him either. I just
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  Speaker 2: I'm kind of neutral on the subject. I'm not a
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  Speaker 2: fan of his work. But if you listen to interviews
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  Speaker 2: with him where they're in context, he'll say things. One
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  Speaker 2: of my favorite clips of Levey is when he's talking
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  Speaker 2: about why they surround themselves with what we would maybe
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  Speaker 2: call the symbols of Halloween, skalls, skeletons, et cetera, because
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  Speaker 2: he says they're momentumory. They are reminders that we will die,
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  Speaker 2: and that's really part of what Halloween's about. That quote
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  Speaker 2: had nothing to do with Halloween, but he said in
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  Speaker 2: an interview that the symbols represent a reminder that you
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  Speaker 2: will die, which is not a bad thing or a
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  Speaker 2: good thing. It's just a thing. It's just a fact
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  Speaker 2: you will die. And when you die, hopefully you left
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  Speaker 2: behind something that was beneficial to everybody else that you know,
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  Speaker 2: you raised your kids right, or you contributed to society
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  Speaker 2: in some positive, uplifting, up building way. And that's kind
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  Speaker 2: of the problem with the visuals of Halloween is that
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  Speaker 2: people see skeletons and think that everybody worships death. People
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  Speaker 2: misinterpret what Diwali is. For example, you've been out of
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  Speaker 2: the loop, you said, so, I'm not sure if you
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  Speaker 2: saw me post my shows on Diwali. They were about
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  Speaker 2: other things too, But I mentioned Diwali on one of
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  Speaker 2: my shows because of course Donald Trump lit some candles
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  Speaker 2: in the White House and that was considered a demonic
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  Speaker 2: ritual and satanic and evil and he's not really a Christian,
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  Speaker 2: and I thought, well, that's bizarre considering how much attention
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  Speaker 2: he's given Israel and people don't seem to have an
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  Speaker 2: issue with that. But he lit a candle, and that
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  Speaker 2: means he's abandoned Jesus. So that part confused me. And
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  Speaker 2: it's literally a candle. That's what Diwali is. It's literally
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  Speaker 2: about lighting candles. The word diwali is it originates in sand,
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  Speaker 2: I believe, and it translates directly to row of lights,
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  Speaker 2: which means that when you put lights on your house
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  Speaker 2: for Christmas. I guess people still do that. Put lights
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  Speaker 2: on your house for Christmas. The definition of that in
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  Speaker 2: a very ancient language called Sanskrit is di wally. So
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  Speaker 2: you did de wally on your house and watching people
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  Speaker 2: get angry and think that that's devil worship and that's evil,
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  Speaker 2: is it's not just a bizarre thing. I mean, I
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  Speaker 2: could be sarcastic, which I am, and I could kind
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  Speaker 2: of laugh at it and think, well, that's kind of
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  Speaker 2: funny that people still think that that's it's actually it's sad,
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  Speaker 2: it's kind of funny. I'm not really I'm confused on
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  Speaker 2: the emotions of what to think about it, but ultimately
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  Speaker 2: it's actually terrifying. I think it's terrifying. I did a
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  Speaker 2: show actually called Jesus is the Reason for the Treason?
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  Speaker 2: And I suggested that whatever this I'm not sure what
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  Speaker 2: to call it writer, frankly, but whatever, this growing Christian
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  Speaker 2: nationalist movement is, and anytime you critique it, of course
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  Speaker 2: people say, well, that's a different version of Christianity. They're Catholics,
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  Speaker 2: or they're Baptists, or they're this, or okay, whatever. But
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  Speaker 2: there's a growing Christian movement and I'm not opposed to that.
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  Speaker 2: I think that that's in many ways a positive thing.
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  Speaker 2: But if that growing Christian movement is and this is
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  Speaker 2: a different subject, but if that growing Christian movement is
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  Speaker 2: being used as a form of propaganda to encourage people
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  Speaker 2: to support it foreign country or to back wars that
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  Speaker 2: seem to appear like armageddon, and that's all part of
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  Speaker 2: the well, at least one interpretation of random biblical verses
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  Speaker 2: and the eschatological narrative. I mean, that's dangerous, and that
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  Speaker 2: means our politicians and our quote leaders are willing to
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  Speaker 2: sell out their own people are willing to discard the
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  Speaker 2: rule of law, are willing to allow the republic to
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  Speaker 2: fall simply because of some religious belief system. And that's
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  Speaker 2: extremely dangerous, and it's doubly dangerous when you have, again,
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  Speaker 2: don't know what to call them. I'd say people on
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  Speaker 2: the political right who are now doing exactly what the
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  Speaker 2: political left did. Now we have people in the political
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  Speaker 2: right calling for the banning of Islam, calling for the
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  Speaker 2: banning of prayer, like Muslims should not be allowed to pray,
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  Speaker 2: And I get yeah, not in the middle of the road,
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  Speaker 2: although that isn't actually really happening much in reality, But
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  Speaker 2: people wanting Muslims to not be able to pray at all.
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  Speaker 2: People wanting mosques to be shut down, people wanting to
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  Speaker 2: ban Islam as a religion, and there's a very aggressive
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  Speaker 2: and nasty and vile foreign element which is pushing this
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  Speaker 2: and a domestic one. But the point is, it doesn't
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  Speaker 2: matter what you think about Islam or certainly I'm not
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  Speaker 2: a Muslim and it doesn't matter what I think. But
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  Speaker 2: if you can argue that, and you have a right
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  Speaker 2: to argue that, it's a stupid thing to argue because
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  Speaker 2: if you can argue that, well, then the next person
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  Speaker 2: who takes power, who isn't a Christian nationalist, will just
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  Speaker 2: argue to ban your religion. You're setting a very very
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  Speaker 2: dangerous precedent, and you're also doing something that is completely
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  Speaker 2: contrary to the foundational First Amendment to the US Constitution.
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  Speaker 2: So all of that is it might sound unrelated to Halloween,
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  Speaker 2: but it's really important, I think, because if you don't
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  Speaker 2: understand that Dwali means light bulbs and candles and literal
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  Speaker 2: fire from like a big lighter is this is twenty
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  Speaker 2: twenty five. People should be aware of this by now
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  Speaker 2: and knowing that means that, well, you're not going to
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  Speaker 2: be really angry and calling for the banning of Hinduism,
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  Speaker 2: because there's a movement now to do that that's grown
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  Speaker 2: over the last couple of weeks because the President lit
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  Speaker 2: some candles in the White House and so all of that.
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  Speaker 2: Whatever that is, I don't know what it is fundamentalism.
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  Speaker 2: I don't think it's all fundamentalism. It's a mixture of
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  Speaker 2: different things. It's also a mixture of propaganda and just
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  Speaker 2: vile hatred and political political identities and just people fighting
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  Speaker 2: over nonsense. Ultimately, though, what I'm getting at here is
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  Speaker 2: the reason that Halloween is viewed the way that it
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  Speaker 2: is is because of those attitudes and those ideas, those mindsets,
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  Speaker 2: those perceptions, because of religious points of view that very
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  Speaker 2: per person. So you go back to what Anton Leavey said,
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  Speaker 2: and he says, this is momentumory, this is a reminder
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  Speaker 2: that will die and that we should do good in life.
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  Speaker 2: And your definition of good is different than his. Again,
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  Speaker 2: I don't really like Anton Levy. I'm just saying that
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  Speaker 2: one line that you ask the question about the quote,
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  Speaker 2: one line taken out of context is not proof of anything.
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  Speaker 2: And yet I've also seen that quote. I even played
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  Speaker 2: a clip of somebody saying that on my show the
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  Speaker 2: other night, that quote is being used as proof that
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  Speaker 2: Halloween is a Satanic holiday. And then on top of that,
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  Speaker 2: one of the clips that I played on my show,
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  Speaker 2: and there's a whole bunch of them that are being
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  Speaker 2: shared by right wing influencers. People are using this new
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  Speaker 2: talking point. I don't know if you've heard this, the
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  Speaker 2: new talking and this is not a joke. The new
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  Speaker 2: talking point is Halloween is a Christian holiday. And there's
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  Speaker 2: a couple of there's at least one main Catholic guy
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  Speaker 2: on TikTok who says that Halloween has always been a
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  Speaker 2: Christian holiday and that sometime in the eighteen nineties I
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  Speaker 2: think was the date he gave that's the first time
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  Speaker 2: that we started calling it a pagan holiday. So it
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  Speaker 2: was always Christian, but we have Pagans today that have
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  Speaker 2: tried to co opt Christianity, which is like a profound
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  Speaker 2: in version of reality and profound gas lighting.
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  Speaker 1: Of that's a total that's a total inversion of what happened,
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  Speaker 1: Like the Celtic religion that was like that they celebrated
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  Speaker 1: the end to mark the end of harvest in the
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  Speaker 1: beginning of the dark half of the year, which is fall,
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  Speaker 1: which then you get into what is fall. The fall
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  Speaker 1: is fall of man. Right, and the Celtics believe that
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  Speaker 1: the veil between the living and the dead was thinnest
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  Speaker 1: on October thirty first, right in spirits and ancestors could
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  Speaker 1: cross over, and people with light bonfires and war disguises,
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  Speaker 1: which then gets into your whole candle lighting thing as well,
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  Speaker 1: because the lighting of a candle is actually to ward
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  Speaker 1: off hornful spirits. Yes, then offer they would just you know,
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  Speaker 1: give offerings to the dead, you know, I mean that's
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  Speaker 1: the real foundation of Halloween. And when Christianity spread through
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  Speaker 1: the Celtic regions at the beginning of like I think
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  Speaker 1: it's like the eighth Sint Tree, like around seven oh
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  Speaker 1: one AD, the Church didn't get rid of the holiday.
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  Speaker 1: They just completely rebranded it, right, They rebranded the entire holiday.
• 20:12
  Speaker 1: They called it All Saints Day, which was November first,
• 20:16
  Speaker 1: and then the day before that was All Hollows Day,
• 20:19
  Speaker 1: so the All Hollows Eve, which then became Halloween. Right,
• 20:25
  Speaker 1: just like the Church did to Christmas, which was a
• 20:30
  Speaker 1: traditionally a pagan Celtic holiday, they then converted it, renamed
• 20:35
  Speaker 1: it and rebranded it, but really quickly before I let
• 20:39
  Speaker 1: you go on that Gnarley Sheen is in the chat here,
• 20:42
  Speaker 1: and he's actually the one that sent me this robe
• 20:45
  Speaker 1: that I'm currently wearing.
• 20:47
  Speaker 3: You look like a druid.
• 20:49
  Speaker 1: That's why I'm wearing it. Bro let me light my
• 20:52
  Speaker 1: candle brow ward off the evil spirits. But he's the
• 20:56
  Speaker 1: one that sent me this robe for me to wear
• 20:59
  Speaker 1: at contact in the desert. He sent me this last year.
• 21:03
  Speaker 2: And why didn't I get a robe Narley sin Rider.
• 21:06
  Speaker 2: It's a lot more fabric than me. He's much taller
• 21:08
  Speaker 2: than I am. It's more expensive.
• 21:11
  Speaker 1: I think it was pretty expensive for this. This is
• 21:13
  Speaker 1: like an xx L large robe. Dude, it's a huge
• 21:17
  Speaker 1: robe because I'm super tall. But he wore so I
• 21:20
  Speaker 1: could be Ashtar Galactic Command from the half dimension of Nickelback.
• 21:26
  Speaker 3: Three quarters the Emerald Alliance.
• 21:29
  Speaker 1: Yes, because I would exactly like Ashtar Lord Ashtar, because
• 21:34
  Speaker 1: everyone knows what Lord Ashtar looks like. There would be like,
• 21:37
  Speaker 1: oh my God, is that Lord Ashtar.
• 21:38
  Speaker 2: And then you've got a facial structure you could you
• 21:42
  Speaker 2: could do like a like you need some like blue paint.
• 21:45
  Speaker 2: I've seen Ashtar Command people wearing blue paints. Put some
• 21:48
  Speaker 2: like blue war paint above your eyebrows, and maybe like
• 21:51
  Speaker 2: an arrow like Avatar or said Avatar the Last Airbender.
• 21:55
  Speaker 2: I'm sorry, something like that. I think you'd look really
• 21:57
  Speaker 2: good in that. You could, you could definitely take some
• 22:01
  Speaker 2: people's money.
• 22:03
  Speaker 1: Yeah, I was charging three hundred dollars for a good old.
• 22:07
  Speaker 3: Healing session three thirty three thirty three.
• 22:10
  Speaker 1: Three three three baby, But yeah, thank you, Narla Sheen.
• 22:13
  Speaker 1: Appreciate your brother. Good to see you. And yeah, he
• 22:16
  Speaker 1: actually sent me this from listening to one of the
• 22:19
  Speaker 1: shows that we did together on your channel. And then
• 22:22
  Speaker 1: he hit me up, I'm going to see you a robe, bro,
• 22:26
  Speaker 1: do it. I'll wear it. I'll wear it to Contact.
• 22:28
  Speaker 1: But I didn't end up getting to make it to Contact.
• 22:30
  Speaker 2: This Year's going next year, even if they won't give
• 22:32
  Speaker 2: me a ticket, We're going. I'm going to fly in
• 22:35
  Speaker 2: and we're just going to crash it. Not in a
• 22:37
  Speaker 2: bad way for the record, just we're gonna. I'm gonna
• 22:40
  Speaker 2: be there.
• 22:43
  Speaker 1: I've just been I don't really want to talk about it.
• 22:46
  Speaker 1: It's just it's just turned into something that I don't
• 22:48
  Speaker 1: think that it was ever meant to be, which is
• 22:50
  Speaker 1: the entire scope of ufology. It's just it's like, hey,
• 22:54
  Speaker 1: I know, like that's all people talk about AI. I like,
• 22:58
  Speaker 1: but anyway, well, what did you think about those statements
• 23:01
  Speaker 1: that I made about the Celtic religion and it being
• 23:04
  Speaker 1: a Celtic holiday. Was that pretty close to what you
• 23:08
  Speaker 1: have researched.
• 23:09
  Speaker 2: Yeah, it's quite accurate. I mean obviously people would you know,
• 23:12
  Speaker 2: someone who might know a little bit more so would say, well,
• 23:14
  Speaker 2: it's not exactly what it's all about, and yeah, you're right,
• 23:17
  Speaker 2: but writers pretty much on point as they say, that's
• 23:21
  Speaker 2: pretty accurate. I can't really, I can't really.
• 23:27
  Speaker 3: Tell you.
• 23:28
  Speaker 2: I don't think anybody can really tell you for sure
• 23:31
  Speaker 2: where everything came from. But we have some pretty good ideas.
• 23:35
  Speaker 2: And our modern American Halloween largely came from the Irish
• 23:41
  Speaker 2: the mid eighteen hundred's largely. But by the time that
• 23:44
  Speaker 2: the Irish came here, most of the traditions that they
• 23:47
  Speaker 2: had English too, But most of the traditions the Irish had,
• 23:51
  Speaker 2: or Scots, but mostly Irish were already hundreds of years.
• 23:57
  Speaker 2: I want to say devolved, but I don't I think
• 24:00
  Speaker 2: that's the right word. We could actually just say evolved.
• 24:03
  Speaker 2: They were evolved maybe devolved from their original purpose, but
• 24:06
  Speaker 2: evolved into more modern versions.
• 24:09
  Speaker 3: They'd already evolved.
• 24:10
  Speaker 2: That was the point, because the Celtic peoples go back
• 24:14
  Speaker 2: to I think the only the only really old archaeological
• 24:19
  Speaker 2: site on record is about seven hundred BC. I think
• 24:22
  Speaker 2: that's the official one seven hundred BC official number, But
• 24:26
  Speaker 2: the Celtic culture goes back about fifteen hundred BC. Some
• 24:31
  Speaker 2: argue it goes back to three thousand BC. Either way,
• 24:36
  Speaker 2: it is hundreds and it is thousands ultimately of years
• 24:43
  Speaker 2: older than Christianity. And most of the ideas that the
• 24:48
  Speaker 2: Celtic peoples and the Druids in particular had in many
• 24:52
  Speaker 2: of their rituals and symbols are universal. They're universal in
• 24:58
  Speaker 2: every culture because they they all come from the natural
• 25:01
  Speaker 2: world around us. I mean, if you were to look
• 25:03
  Speaker 2: in the Scandinavian countries, for example, you have frost giants.
• 25:08
  Speaker 2: You don't have those. If you looked at like the
• 25:11
  Speaker 2: American Southwest Native tribes, they don't have frost giants because
• 25:15
  Speaker 2: they live in deserts. Other than things like that, pretty
• 25:19
  Speaker 2: much the same idea. As a matter of fact, you
• 25:22
  Speaker 2: find swastikas or swastikas or asia they call it the
• 25:26
  Speaker 2: mangi in China, but you find that actually in northern Europe,
• 25:31
  Speaker 2: and you find that also in the American Southwest because
• 25:34
  Speaker 2: if they call that the whirling log, I think that's Navajo,
• 25:38
  Speaker 2: but most native tribes have the same symbol. Medicine men
• 25:41
  Speaker 2: use it. It's a healing symbol. All of it represents
• 25:44
  Speaker 2: the actual physical sun, because the sun turns and moves
• 25:49
  Speaker 2: in the sky. I think in Germany they call it
• 25:52
  Speaker 2: sonan rod is that German for the sun wheel, And
• 25:55
  Speaker 2: that's basically a swastika that's more so turned into a circle,
• 26:00
  Speaker 2: or it's like a circle with a cross, and then
• 26:02
  Speaker 2: they kind of erase a little bit of the line,
• 26:03
  Speaker 2: so it looks like it's turning, which is why you
• 26:06
  Speaker 2: would see if you look at Egyptian iconography, for example,
• 26:10
  Speaker 2: there's two different examples of this of the sun moving.
• 26:13
  Speaker 2: You either have the sun with little feet and there's
• 26:16
  Speaker 2: a serpent, which is you could say creation, or there's
• 26:21
  Speaker 2: a serpent, which you could say is it's the darkness
• 26:23
  Speaker 2: that eats the sun every night and then during an
• 26:25
  Speaker 2: eclipse too, so there's usually a serpent around the sun,
• 26:28
  Speaker 2: and then the serpent has little feet and so Basically,
• 26:31
  Speaker 2: what's happening is it's walking. And this is a pretty
• 26:34
  Speaker 2: universal image too. You see this in Africa, you see
• 26:38
  Speaker 2: this in the Americas. As a matter of fact, I
• 26:40
  Speaker 2: think in the Mississippi Valley there's maybe descriptions or myths
• 26:44
  Speaker 2: that are similar to this. The Mississippi Valley region actually
• 26:48
  Speaker 2: has very similar and so does Central and South America.
• 26:51
  Speaker 2: Very similar underworld imagery to Africa. On top of that,
• 26:56
  Speaker 2: and mythology on top of that. That's a whole other show,
• 27:00
  Speaker 2: pretty fascinating, But the point is the serpent walks or
• 27:04
  Speaker 2: the sun walks. The other image is the most famous,
• 27:07
  Speaker 2: probably which we've talked about with eupology before. It's the
• 27:10
  Speaker 2: solar disk with wings and the sun flies or the
• 27:15
  Speaker 2: sun walks or runs or turns. It's all describing the
• 27:20
  Speaker 2: same thing. I think it's probably overstating the obvious to
• 27:23
  Speaker 2: give additional examples, but it's all talking about the same thing. However,
• 27:28
  Speaker 2: it's important to understand that there's a blending of different ideas,
• 27:32
  Speaker 2: so it's not just thus sun, which I think some
• 27:36
  Speaker 2: people who want to discredit religion intentionally or unintentionally will
• 27:42
  Speaker 2: rely heavily on the argument that it's just solar worship,
• 27:47
  Speaker 2: and it is to an extent, but it's also vegetation worship.
• 27:52
  Speaker 2: It's also sex worship, so phallic or yonic worship. And
• 27:57
  Speaker 2: for people that are very religious, I mean sixty percent
• 28:01
  Speaker 2: we can estimate of your audience is probably Christian. That's
• 28:04
  Speaker 2: about the average in the United States. Just look at
• 28:09
  Speaker 2: the cathedrals even just look at standard churches some of them,
• 28:12
  Speaker 2: but older churches. But you know, cathedrals all over Europe
• 28:16
  Speaker 2: have all this imagery you could pull. It's don't know,
• 28:19
  Speaker 2: I don't think it would be an appropriate on YouTube.
• 28:22
  Speaker 2: But there's certain symbols on churches you could look up
• 28:26
  Speaker 2: in Europe that are extremely explicit, like it's a woman
• 28:29
  Speaker 2: just holding her vagina open, and those are on churches.
• 28:33
  Speaker 2: The church itself, the Gothic cathedral is built like a womb.
• 28:39
  Speaker 2: I mean, if you look at Notre Dame, which means
• 28:41
  Speaker 2: our Lady. I know people will say, but that's Catholicism,
• 28:45
  Speaker 2: that's different than regular Christianity. Well not really, it's all
• 28:48
  Speaker 2: the same. All the Christian Renaissance art is Jesus coming
• 28:51
  Speaker 2: through this oval opening, this little vesica pisis opening, and
• 28:56
  Speaker 2: that in the as I was referencing the Mississippi Valley
• 28:59
  Speaker 2: cultures and Africa. That little the Sick of Pices is
• 29:04
  Speaker 2: known as the It's like a slit in the sky
• 29:08
  Speaker 2: as much as it is a as an actual you
• 29:10
  Speaker 2: know woman, It's a slit in the sky, which is
• 29:13
  Speaker 2: in Egypt nut it is a woman, so I guess
• 29:16
  Speaker 2: there's a there's a relationship to the woman as well
• 29:18
  Speaker 2: in the sky, the woman.
• 29:19
  Speaker 3: Of the sky.
• 29:20
  Speaker 2: And you go through that little slit. It's in the
• 29:24
  Speaker 2: wrist of Orion, so Orion's belt, or they call it
• 29:27
  Speaker 2: the wrist of Orion, so it's not just the belt,
• 29:29
  Speaker 2: but the three stars that go it's like a like
• 29:32
  Speaker 2: a bracelet in the Americas. It's more so a belt
• 29:35
  Speaker 2: in Egypt. But right there in that belt is where
• 29:38
  Speaker 2: there's a slit, and you go through that slit, and
• 29:40
  Speaker 2: that's where the Milky Way is. That's where the River
• 29:42
  Speaker 2: of Souls are, That's where the Mississippi River would be.
• 29:45
  Speaker 2: That connects to the Milky Way in the sky. That's
• 29:47
  Speaker 2: where the Nile River connects to the Milky Way in
• 29:49
  Speaker 2: the sky. And there is a certain time of the
• 29:53
  Speaker 2: year when the spirits, the people that die cross over
• 29:56
  Speaker 2: into that other world, and that timeframe is roughly from
• 30:02
  Speaker 2: October November into March, which is the time frame of
• 30:09
  Speaker 2: our fall and our winter months. So when you read
• 30:14
  Speaker 2: about how the souls of the dead are resurrected in
• 30:17
  Speaker 2: the end times, well that's what's happening. The souls of
• 30:20
  Speaker 2: the dead are resurrected.
• 30:21
  Speaker 3: In the end times.
• 30:22
  Speaker 2: It's not the end times of the whole world in
• 30:25
  Speaker 2: a physical material sense, it's the end times of the year.
• 30:30
  Speaker 2: The dead are roaming the earth, they pass through that
• 30:33
  Speaker 2: slit in the sky and they go into the other world.
• 30:37
  Speaker 2: And in order to help the spirits so they don't
• 30:39
  Speaker 2: get trapped or caught or lost, you have candles lit.
• 30:44
  Speaker 2: You have fires that are burning to both warm and
• 30:50
  Speaker 2: to guide the souls so they don't get stuck in
• 30:53
  Speaker 2: a sort of purgatory state. And since that opening is
• 30:59
  Speaker 2: more easily accessible, and as you said, the veil is thinned,
• 31:04
  Speaker 2: then yes, things from the other side can cross over,
• 31:09
  Speaker 2: and they might be mischievous, they might not be. But
• 31:12
  Speaker 2: what those things ultimately represent, rather than looking at them
• 31:16
  Speaker 2: like some kind people say gargoyles and demons and they're fairies,
• 31:20
  Speaker 2: and like these are all totally different creatures, like gnomes
• 31:24
  Speaker 2: or earth spirits and fairies are. They're kind of a theory.
• 31:29
  Speaker 2: They're sort of interdimensional. They're sort of airy, sort of
• 31:35
  Speaker 2: like Sylphs in a way, which is the air spirit.
• 31:38
  Speaker 2: And that's totally different than the demon demons are. If
• 31:41
  Speaker 2: you know the name of the demon, you can control it.
• 31:43
  Speaker 2: If you know the name of the fairy, it's gonna
• 31:45
  Speaker 2: piss it off. You don't call fairies by their names.
• 31:47
  Speaker 2: You have to call them the good people or the
• 31:49
  Speaker 2: good neighbors. Totally different than demons, completely separate entities, but
• 31:54
  Speaker 2: what those ultimately, those things ultimately are in the same
• 31:58
  Speaker 2: way that a demon from the Greek aim on is.
• 32:01
  Speaker 2: Essentially it's you, and it's also disease. So we say
• 32:06
  Speaker 2: we exercise demons, but we also exorcise demons. You know,
• 32:11
  Speaker 2: the first diseases were largely thought to be caused by
• 32:14
  Speaker 2: spirit possession, and this is a pretty universal idea. So
• 32:18
  Speaker 2: one of the ways that you would get rid of unclean,
• 32:20
  Speaker 2: impure spirits is by playing music, performing some sort of exorcism,
• 32:24
  Speaker 2: which is not a not a strictly Catholic thing. The
• 32:28
  Speaker 2: samurai practiced exorcisms in Japan, so this is not a
• 32:32
  Speaker 2: strictly Catholic thing for the record, or a strictly religious
• 32:35
  Speaker 2: Christian thing. I mean, the Muslims exercised gin, so it's
• 32:39
  Speaker 2: a it's a pretty universal idea. The Celtic peoples did too,
• 32:42
  Speaker 2: They just had a different name for those demons or
• 32:45
  Speaker 2: those those evil spirits. But in the same way that
• 32:48
  Speaker 2: that that that that's what a demon is. A fairy
• 32:53
  Speaker 2: or these other creatures that might come from the other
• 32:55
  Speaker 2: side really are The best way I can explain it
• 32:58
  Speaker 2: is to think about it from the point of view
• 33:00
  Speaker 2: of someone who doesn't have central air, someone who doesn't
• 33:04
  Speaker 2: have access to a phone or the internet. You can't
• 33:07
  Speaker 2: go down to Giant Eagle or Kroger or Walmart. You
• 33:12
  Speaker 2: can't go to a restaurant and get food.
• 33:14
  Speaker 1: They were living way different back then.
• 33:17
  Speaker 2: You're living way different, right, So I mean, even if
• 33:19
  Speaker 2: you do, we all live in the modern world. Even
• 33:21
  Speaker 2: if you're kind of aware of this, Even if you
• 33:25
  Speaker 2: live in a nice house, I mean, the wind, if
• 33:27
  Speaker 2: you get a big storm that comes through, the wind
• 33:29
  Speaker 2: still might rattle your windows. If you live in an
• 33:31
  Speaker 2: old house, you get the creeks, you get the windows
• 33:34
  Speaker 2: rattling when the wind blows. You live in an old
• 33:36
  Speaker 2: house or something like that. That's really what these spirits are.
• 33:40
  Speaker 2: It's the wind, it's you know, the sound of the storm.
• 33:44
  Speaker 2: That's always been the nighttime rides, especially during Christmas time,
• 33:48
  Speaker 2: the nighttime rides of the gods and the goddesses, the
• 33:52
  Speaker 2: wild hunt. Usually it's hunting for a bore, because a
• 33:56
  Speaker 2: boar is the is the animal that represents the fall
• 33:59
  Speaker 2: of man into the winter in some parts of the
• 34:01
  Speaker 2: world that kills Attis, who's basically the solar savior. The
• 34:06
  Speaker 2: boar represents the fall into the winter, so they would
• 34:08
  Speaker 2: chase the boar down. And this, all of it is metaphoric.
• 34:12
  Speaker 2: All of it is allegoric. It's weird to me, Just
• 34:16
  Speaker 2: as a side note, it's weird to me that people
• 34:18
  Speaker 2: will read the Bible and read that Jesus says I'm
• 34:22
  Speaker 2: speaking in parables, this is not literal, and then people
• 34:26
  Speaker 2: interpret it as literal. It's like it is exclusively stated
• 34:31
  Speaker 2: that it's not to be interpreted literally, and neither are
• 34:35
  Speaker 2: the myths. And I heard, in fact, the same video
• 34:39
  Speaker 2: I played on my show where this woman referenced the
• 34:42
  Speaker 2: Anton Leavey clip. She had a little segment on myths
• 34:48
  Speaker 2: and said myths can't be trusted. They're just fake, false gods.
• 34:53
  Speaker 2: And again, it's so wild that it's twenty twenty five,
• 34:57
  Speaker 2: and it's not like Joseph Campbell ever existed. It's not
• 35:01
  Speaker 2: like Carl Jung never existed. I mean, these are two
• 35:03
  Speaker 2: the smartest guys, at least in modern history. The things
• 35:07
  Speaker 2: that are, you know what, respected enough that they're in
• 35:11
  Speaker 2: like even mainline college courses. You could even take this.
• 35:14
  Speaker 2: I mean, it's it's in pop culture. Campbell was the
• 35:18
  Speaker 2: was the inspiration for Star Wars, and yet we still
• 35:23
  Speaker 2: look at this stuff as literal or we dismiss it
• 35:25
  Speaker 2: as like you can't trust the myths.
• 35:27
  Speaker 3: Well, nobody says that.
• 35:30
  Speaker 2: Well, I don't think hopefully, they don't think that Thor
• 35:32
  Speaker 2: is a real god. He's just a symbolic representation of nature.
• 35:39
  Speaker 2: I mean, you know this, writer, and I think a
• 35:41
  Speaker 2: lot of your listeners know this, but it's a it's
• 35:43
  Speaker 2: a really frustrating thing when you're trying to explain to
• 35:47
  Speaker 2: people what you alluded to earlier. It's the fall of man.
• 35:50
  Speaker 2: Spirits are roaming free. That's the resurrection of the dead.
• 35:54
  Speaker 2: We know in Greek that apocalypse means the lifting of
• 35:57
  Speaker 2: the veil. That's the same veil you lift when you
• 36:00
  Speaker 2: get married. That's the same veil that Isis is covered with.
• 36:04
  Speaker 2: And interestingly, I experienced this firsthand. I've never seen anybody
• 36:08
  Speaker 2: else bring this up, so I thought I stumbled on
• 36:11
  Speaker 2: something pretty cool when I went to the said Jingu Shrine,
• 36:14
  Speaker 2: which is the main shrine of the Sun goddess in Japan,
• 36:17
  Speaker 2: their their prime primary deity. They have a white veil
• 36:22
  Speaker 2: guarding her inner sanctum. It's identical to the veil of
• 36:27
  Speaker 2: Isis because isis or ama tetusu is nature, and the
• 36:32
  Speaker 2: veil is what separates us from the from the spirit
• 36:35
  Speaker 2: world of the world that animates this physical reality. And
• 36:40
  Speaker 2: like the like the inscription of what they call the
• 36:43
  Speaker 2: static isis the You could look this up. Manly Hall
• 36:47
  Speaker 2: has a really good depiction of it in this book
• 36:49
  Speaker 2: The Secret Teachings of All Ages. But it's the static isis.
• 36:52
  Speaker 2: You look it up and it'll say it's a very
• 36:54
  Speaker 2: famous description, very famous depiction too. And it says, I
• 37:00
  Speaker 2: I am all that ever has been, ever will be,
• 37:03
  Speaker 2: or is all that what is exact quote, I am
• 37:06
  Speaker 2: everything that is, has been and ever will be. The
• 37:09
  Speaker 2: fruit that I've brought forth is the sun. And if
• 37:12
  Speaker 2: you look at the breasts of Isis, she has wheat
• 37:16
  Speaker 2: and grapes because her body and her blood or her
• 37:22
  Speaker 2: fluids are the redeeming things. Those redeeming things are what
• 37:27
  Speaker 2: we get from the bounty of nature. After nine months,
• 37:31
  Speaker 2: when the earth gives earth and we have this harvest
• 37:35
  Speaker 2: festival season and you have a last sepper before the
• 37:39
  Speaker 2: end of the year. The sign of the end times
• 37:42
  Speaker 2: are when the leaves start changing colors. The pale horse
• 37:47
  Speaker 2: that rides after the black horse is known as the
• 37:50
  Speaker 2: rider who brings death, and that death is the winter
• 37:54
  Speaker 2: cold dark. It snows a lot, so the sound gets
• 37:58
  Speaker 2: trapped and you don't really hear anything. You get like
• 38:01
  Speaker 2: an oz factor. Everything goes quiet. So nature is quite
• 38:05
  Speaker 2: literally dead. The earth is literally dead. And when that happens,
• 38:13
  Speaker 2: well that's the end of the world. But it's okay
• 38:15
  Speaker 2: because God comes back and saves us.
• 38:18
  Speaker 3: Right.
• 38:18
  Speaker 2: He comes back in around Easter time, which is when
• 38:21
  Speaker 2: the Celts also celebrated the resurrection of their savior. They
• 38:26
  Speaker 2: also For anybody who has never heard this before, I'd
• 38:32
  Speaker 2: assume some of your listeners have probably heard me do
• 38:34
  Speaker 2: shows on this recently, so It might sound repetitive, but
• 38:37
  Speaker 2: it's really important to point out that the Celtic peoples
• 38:40
  Speaker 2: the truths. In particular, they believed in an omnipotent God.
• 38:46
  Speaker 2: They believed in a Madonna and child. They believed in
• 38:50
  Speaker 2: the power of the cross, and they made crosses out
• 38:54
  Speaker 2: of oak tree branches. They also believed in the power
• 38:59
  Speaker 2: of this. They believed in the power of the Trinity.
• 39:03
  Speaker 2: They believed in the power of salvation through being able
• 39:08
  Speaker 2: to be forgiven for us. They didn't call them sins,
• 39:12
  Speaker 2: but essentially be forgiven for their sins and then have salvation,
• 39:16
  Speaker 2: which is also linked to nature. So you have it's
• 39:20
  Speaker 2: more than just a singular spiritual thing of the self.
• 39:23
  Speaker 2: It's also linked to the external world. But they believed
• 39:25
  Speaker 2: also on top of that, in a heaven, a hell,
• 39:29
  Speaker 2: and a purgatory. Purgatory is that middle state where the
• 39:32
  Speaker 2: spirits are roaming. They believe in all those things. Thousand
• 39:37
  Speaker 2: years base minimum, if you're going to be super super
• 39:41
  Speaker 2: conservative about it, a thousand years before Christ. That doesn't
• 39:45
  Speaker 2: disprove Christ. This is a problem that we have. It
• 39:50
  Speaker 2: actually proves that what Jesus Christ, which is a title
• 39:54
  Speaker 2: the name would have been Yeshua and Christ is a
• 39:57
  Speaker 2: title that applies to anybody who's been anointed, including Egyptian,
• 40:00
  Speaker 2: the Messa of the Fat of the crocodile from the Nile,
• 40:03
  Speaker 2: the mess of the Messiah. What is happening is you
• 40:06
  Speaker 2: And Jesus says this all throughout the Bible. It's astounding.
• 40:10
  Speaker 2: It's in the Book of John, it's in the Book
• 40:12
  Speaker 2: of Matthew. I'll give you an example, when Jesus says
• 40:16
  Speaker 2: in the Book of Matthew, he's talking to the Pharisees.
• 40:20
  Speaker 2: I might have told you about this before. Writer, maybe
• 40:22
  Speaker 2: you've read this before. But when he's talking to the
• 40:24
  Speaker 2: Pharisees and they're charging him and accusing him of all
• 40:26
  Speaker 2: these horrible things, the high priest says to him, I
• 40:29
  Speaker 2: charge you under the oath by the Living God. Tell
• 40:32
  Speaker 2: us you are the Messiah, you are the Son of God.
• 40:35
  Speaker 2: And Jesus says to him in rejection of that statement, well,
• 40:40
  Speaker 2: you said that, but what I'm telling you is actually
• 40:43
  Speaker 2: the son of Man can sit at the right hand
• 40:45
  Speaker 2: of the Mighty One coming in the clouds of heaven.
• 40:49
  Speaker 2: In other words, you're accusing me of being the literal
• 40:52
  Speaker 2: son of God. I'm not the literal son of God.
• 40:55
  Speaker 2: This is actually confirmed several times in the Bible. It's
• 40:57
  Speaker 2: shocking considering that I grew up with the and nobody
• 41:01
  Speaker 2: bothered to point this out to me. What Jesus is
• 41:03
  Speaker 2: talking about is that this is an internal thing. And
• 41:07
  Speaker 2: the Book of Luke you read about how the Kingdom
• 41:09
  Speaker 2: of God is inside of you, right, the Kingdom of
• 41:11
  Speaker 2: Heaven is inside of you. We read something very similar
• 41:13
  Speaker 2: to this in the Book of John, the Book of
• 41:15
  Speaker 2: First John.
• 41:16
  Speaker 3: We read this.
• 41:16
  Speaker 2: Additionally, I believe in the Book of Matthew where Jesus
• 41:19
  Speaker 2: separates the father from the son, the son is you.
• 41:22
  Speaker 2: It's the soul and the true soul what makes you you.
• 41:27
  Speaker 2: But the soul also in English would be in Latin,
• 41:30
  Speaker 2: would be the soul, as in the son as well.
• 41:33
  Speaker 2: So soul soul, and the seat of the son and
• 41:35
  Speaker 2: the body is the heart. So you allow Jesus to
• 41:38
  Speaker 2: come into your heart. Jesus was probably a real person,
• 41:41
  Speaker 2: and Jesus was probably disliked by very powerful people who
• 41:47
  Speaker 2: he preached against because he said, we don't need these institutions.
• 41:52
  Speaker 2: You don't need a place with a sanhedron to tell
• 41:56
  Speaker 2: you how to live your lives. And this is important
• 41:59
  Speaker 2: to understand because even though it might seem like it's
• 42:01
  Speaker 2: unrelated to Halloween, it's a very critical and crucial component
• 42:06
  Speaker 2: of Halloween. I don't want to ramble on too much.
• 42:11
  Speaker 2: I can explain why that is if you'd like, unless
• 42:13
  Speaker 2: you have questions.
• 42:15
  Speaker 1: Well, what you're talking about is really spot on with
• 42:20
  Speaker 1: the metaphors and allegories. I mean, I've been trying to
• 42:23
  Speaker 1: tell people that for so long. And even when you
• 42:28
  Speaker 1: look at like, you know, virgin, what does virgin mean?
• 42:31
  Speaker 1: Virgin just means that you're clean. That's all that it means.
• 42:35
  Speaker 1: So you can literally go take a shower and you're
• 42:38
  Speaker 1: technically a virgin.
• 42:39
  Speaker 3: Right, a baby's a virgin.
• 42:42
  Speaker 1: But what you're saying makes a lot of sense. Well,
• 42:46
  Speaker 1: then when you look at like baptisms as well, Right,
• 42:49
  Speaker 1: you're clean and within the Holy spirit, right, your your
• 42:54
  Speaker 1: soul has been cleaned, right, it's the exact same thing.
• 42:56
  Speaker 1: It's it's what it means. That's what virgin means. It
• 43:00
  Speaker 1: doesn't mean that you've never had sex before. It just
• 43:02
  Speaker 1: means that you're clean. You're a clean vessel.
• 43:05
  Speaker 3: Right, Yes, Yet how many people.
• 43:07
  Speaker 1: Had access to showers back then? I mean or a
• 43:11
  Speaker 1: bath or where they probably went months and months and
• 43:16
  Speaker 1: months and months without bathing because they probably didn't have
• 43:20
  Speaker 1: access to be able to bathe. And that's another point
• 43:24
  Speaker 1: that you bring up too, is like if you were
• 43:26
  Speaker 1: just plunged into back, I don't know, a thousand years ago,
• 43:31
  Speaker 1: and you were just out in the elements all the time,
• 43:35
  Speaker 1: you would begin to worship the elements because if you're
• 43:39
  Speaker 1: in the dead of winter, everything's cold, the crops don't
• 43:43
  Speaker 1: grow and everything. And would it not cross your mind
• 43:46
  Speaker 1: at some point like what if this never ends? What
• 43:51
  Speaker 1: if the winner never ends?
• 43:53
  Speaker 3: Yes, exactly.
• 43:54
  Speaker 2: And imagine having a year where the winter goes on
• 43:57
  Speaker 2: for another two or three weeks.
• 43:58
  Speaker 1: You would be like, what the what is happening? What's
• 44:02
  Speaker 1: going on? Why is it lasting way longer? Is it
• 44:05
  Speaker 1: gonna last for ever? And then the scuttle butter around
• 44:07
  Speaker 1: the town will be, Oh, I've heard that this is
• 44:10
  Speaker 1: gonna this is the way it's gonna be like forever.
• 44:13
  Speaker 2: I felt that one the first year I lived in Rochester,
• 44:15
  Speaker 2: New York, and it was like March, third week of March,
• 44:21
  Speaker 2: and it's still snowing, and I'm looking at the the
• 44:24
  Speaker 2: weather online and it says it's gonna snow again in April,
• 44:28
  Speaker 2: and then like we get to May first and it's
• 44:30
  Speaker 2: still cold.
• 44:32
  Speaker 3: I mean, this is it was.
• 44:33
  Speaker 2: Like twenty twenty or something roughly that time, or maybe
• 44:36
  Speaker 2: twenty maybe it was early than that, twenty eighteen or something.
• 44:39
  Speaker 2: I was living there, But I mean that that terrified me.
• 44:43
  Speaker 2: And that's in the modern day. I hate the cold.
• 44:45
  Speaker 2: I can't imagine what it would be like living in
• 44:47
  Speaker 2: a world where you don't have any of these modern
• 44:49
  Speaker 2: things that we have.
• 44:50
  Speaker 1: And then we kind of already lived under a veil already, Ryan, Like,
• 44:55
  Speaker 1: we're already we're we are in the veil right now.
• 44:58
  Speaker 1: We are in our home. We go to their grocery
• 45:01
  Speaker 1: store to get our food. We don't have to kill animal. Well,
• 45:05
  Speaker 1: I mean we do kill animals, but we personally don't
• 45:09
  Speaker 1: kill animals. We're not out there really hunting for our
• 45:12
  Speaker 1: food anymore. We're not scavenging, We're not going on and
• 45:15
  Speaker 1: getting berries to make it through the winter, you know
• 45:19
  Speaker 1: what I mean. We're not in that type of environment.
• 45:21
  Speaker 1: So we have that disconnect between the way that they
• 45:25
  Speaker 1: did things back then and the way that we do
• 45:27
  Speaker 1: things now. And then we're trying to interpret things that
• 45:31
  Speaker 1: were happening back then when we have no idea what
• 45:35
  Speaker 1: it was like back then, So we don't even understand
• 45:37
  Speaker 1: the context what was going on back then, because we
• 45:41
  Speaker 1: can't even put ourselves in that type of situation because
• 45:45
  Speaker 1: it's so far removed from us, because we have all
• 45:49
  Speaker 1: of these conveniences around us twenty four to seven. I mean,
• 45:52
  Speaker 1: we can get our groceries delivered to our house if
• 45:55
  Speaker 1: we want. We can sit down and put on a
• 45:57
  Speaker 1: streaming service and watch a brand new movie that's in
• 46:01
  Speaker 1: the theater. You can get our coffee delivered to us
• 46:04
  Speaker 1: in the morning if we wanted to. We have all
• 46:07
  Speaker 1: these luxuries, and they didn't have that back then, So
• 46:12
  Speaker 1: the way that they operated and the way that they
• 46:14
  Speaker 1: did things had to have been dramatically different.
• 46:18
  Speaker 2: You would see the world in a totally different way.
• 46:20
  Speaker 2: I mean you can just see that today. I mean
• 46:23
  Speaker 2: that's why when you when you travel to certain countries,
• 46:27
  Speaker 2: not Europe, of course, but if you traveled to well,
• 46:30
  Speaker 2: if you came over here to Japan, I mean it's
• 46:32
  Speaker 2: there's a lot of a lot of things here that
• 46:34
  Speaker 2: are catering to Western eeras and people that speak English.
• 46:38
  Speaker 2: But you would definitely maybe not you, writer, but most
• 46:42
  Speaker 2: people would definitely have an absolute culture shock and might
• 46:47
  Speaker 2: not know how to really process what's going on. Not
• 46:51
  Speaker 2: that it's going to cripple you and you can't enjoy
• 46:52
  Speaker 2: your vacation, but you're probably going to have a couple
• 46:54
  Speaker 2: of moments during that vacation when you're looking around thinking
• 46:58
  Speaker 2: what is happening? I've never seen this, thought about this?
• 47:01
  Speaker 2: How do these people live this way? This is so,
• 47:03
  Speaker 2: this is better, this is weird, this is worse. Just
• 47:07
  Speaker 2: that kind of culture shock. And the reason for that
• 47:09
  Speaker 2: is because we all have different cultures, and you know,
• 47:12
  Speaker 2: over here they've been isolated compared to the rest of
• 47:15
  Speaker 2: the world for quite a long time. This modern development
• 47:19
  Speaker 2: over here is the last like what two hundred years
• 47:21
  Speaker 2: if that, and you see that in the modern world,
• 47:26
  Speaker 2: I can't imagine going back to one thousand and five
• 47:32
  Speaker 2: hundred BC. That's over three thousand plus years ago. It's
• 47:39
  Speaker 2: a completely different world. Even a hundred years ago is
• 47:43
  Speaker 2: a completely different world. You're right, that's a good point
• 47:47
  Speaker 2: to make, to make very very clear. I also wanted
• 47:51
  Speaker 2: to make an observation because I'm sure that correctly somebody
• 47:56
  Speaker 2: listening would be wondering since we're not making calls or
• 48:00
  Speaker 2: anything like that. Well, didn't the druids perform human sacrifices?
• 48:05
  Speaker 2: And the answer to that question is yeah, they did.
• 48:09
  Speaker 2: But what's the context of that. There's no context, just
• 48:12
  Speaker 2: a human sacrifice, okay, but there is actually context to it,
• 48:16
  Speaker 2: and I'll explain what the context is. The context is, Yes,
• 48:21
  Speaker 2: the Druids performed human sacrifices. One, they didn't do it
• 48:26
  Speaker 2: every day.
• 48:28
  Speaker 3: Two.
• 48:29
  Speaker 2: Many of the stories of the Druids performing human sacrifices
• 48:32
  Speaker 2: are a result of what foreigners wrote, largely Christian foreigners
• 48:38
  Speaker 2: who wanted to discredit and demean and degrade and justify
• 48:42
  Speaker 2: the replacement of the Driddic and the Celtic cultures. They're heathens.
• 48:46
  Speaker 2: We should be able to replace them with the word
• 48:49
  Speaker 2: of God. Also, the third thing is when they did
• 48:53
  Speaker 2: kill somebody, what they were doing was not just killing
• 48:58
  Speaker 2: a random person from a villain. They were usually killing
• 49:03
  Speaker 2: someone from another tribe who had committed a crime, or
• 49:06
  Speaker 2: someone who maybe had raped somebody or had stolen something.
• 49:10
  Speaker 2: They executed criminals. And if anybody thinks that that is horrific,
• 49:14
  Speaker 2: I point you to what the current Trump administration or
• 49:18
  Speaker 2: what the previous Obama administration did with drones. People are
• 49:23
  Speaker 2: literally on social media being like, yeah, blow up those
• 49:26
  Speaker 2: drug boats. And I'm not going to even give my
• 49:28
  Speaker 2: opinion on it. I'm just saying, you're like, blow up
• 49:30
  Speaker 2: those drug boats. And then the next post is Halloween's
• 49:34
  Speaker 2: a pagan holiday of people that killed people. I don't
• 49:38
  Speaker 2: really see how in if you fast forwarded thirty five
• 49:41
  Speaker 2: hundred years from now rider and for whatever the reason was,
• 49:45
  Speaker 2: we had one fragment of history from today and we
• 49:48
  Speaker 2: just heard that this country called the former United States
• 49:52
  Speaker 2: had a leader that would just blow up people's boats
• 49:55
  Speaker 2: in the ocean as a human sacrifice, you might interpret
• 49:59
  Speaker 2: it that way, And we have no context, we have
• 50:03
  Speaker 2: no ability to really put ourselves into those positions to
• 50:07
  Speaker 2: understand what was going on. But we do understand, we
• 50:10
  Speaker 2: do know, we can understand that there's more to it
• 50:13
  Speaker 2: than just human sacrifice. Yeah, but they were also criminals,
• 50:17
  Speaker 2: and also they did it like once a year, and
• 50:20
  Speaker 2: also that was a very short term practice. It was
• 50:24
  Speaker 2: largely from an early point onward that they sacrificed animals
• 50:29
  Speaker 2: or flowers or fruits or vegetables, which is a universal
• 50:33
  Speaker 2: thing that Mayans did too, and many of those stories
• 50:37
  Speaker 2: are a result, and there's documents of this. There's plenty
• 50:41
  Speaker 2: of writers. Could I could pull references later if you
• 50:44
  Speaker 2: want to see them. I think I have them in
• 50:46
  Speaker 2: my Occult ar Canna book too. There's one reference to how, yeah,
• 50:50
  Speaker 2: the Druids definitely killed people, like they perform you in sacrifices,
• 50:53
  Speaker 2: but how many do they actually perform? Because most of
• 50:55
  Speaker 2: those accounts are coming from monks. Most of those accounts
• 50:58
  Speaker 2: are coming from people that just looked at the druids
• 51:01
  Speaker 2: and were like, wait a minute, holding a second, they
• 51:04
  Speaker 2: also have a cross. They also have a son of God.
• 51:08
  Speaker 2: Holding a second. Their God also had an earthly mother
• 51:12
  Speaker 2: who gave a virgin birth or had a virgin birth,
• 51:15
  Speaker 2: and his father was the father, the divine, because that's
• 51:18
  Speaker 2: what the Celts believe. Their savior had a divine father
• 51:22
  Speaker 2: and an earthly mother. And they looked around and were like, well,
• 51:24
  Speaker 2: this is really similar to ours. So if we're going
• 51:27
  Speaker 2: to replace this with Christianity, we have to justify it.
• 51:31
  Speaker 2: And how do you justify it? The same way the
• 51:33
  Speaker 2: military justifies killing people in any conflict. They're barbarians, they're rapists,
• 51:37
  Speaker 2: they're killing babies. So that justifies it in people's minds. Well,
• 51:40
  Speaker 2: we can kill them. It's okay to replace the Druids
• 51:43
  Speaker 2: because they were killing people and their sacrifices, and our
• 51:46
  Speaker 2: religion doesn't do that.
• 51:47
  Speaker 3: We're better.
• 51:48
  Speaker 1: And then we just come in and rebrand the entire thing,
• 51:52
  Speaker 1: take all of their belief systems, and then make them
• 51:54
  Speaker 1: there our own.
• 51:56
  Speaker 3: Right, Yeah, pretty much.
• 51:57
  Speaker 2: I mean I look at it like, if the Druids,
• 52:01
  Speaker 2: let me get make sure I got my references correct.
• 52:03
  Speaker 2: If the Druids were what's the name of the company
• 52:08
  Speaker 2: in that movie Tommy Boy that his dad ran, If
• 52:11
  Speaker 2: the Druids were that and Dan Aykroyd were the Christians
• 52:15
  Speaker 2: and Callahan Autoparts, they would just want the brand so
• 52:18
  Speaker 2: they they could just repackage it. That's basically what they did.
• 52:21
  Speaker 2: They just repackaged it. And that's not an insult or
• 52:24
  Speaker 2: rejection of Christianity, because every religion does that. Christianity also
• 52:29
  Speaker 2: rebranded part of Judaism. Islam rebranded Christianity in some ways,
• 52:35
  Speaker 2: and most of them. This is another weird thing.
• 52:39
  Speaker 3: Writer.
• 52:40
  Speaker 2: We don't need to get into the details necessarily, but
• 52:42
  Speaker 2: it's weird to me. I don't know if it's like
• 52:45
  Speaker 2: a Christian thing or if it's like an Israeli thing
• 52:48
  Speaker 2: or what it is. But thinking that like the Abrahamic
• 52:52
  Speaker 2: faiths are the only or the first religions, and thinking
• 52:57
  Speaker 2: like the Ten Commandments are the first of all, the
• 53:00
  Speaker 2: only commandments, but second of all, the first ten commandments,
• 53:05
  Speaker 2: like the Abrahamic faiths compared to like Vedic history are
• 53:13
  Speaker 2: really really young, like the Vedic tradition, the Hindus, they
• 53:17
  Speaker 2: go back ten plus thousand years.
• 53:21
  Speaker 1: They make abraham Hinduism is the oldest religion.
• 53:26
  Speaker 2: In some forms. I think, yeah, that, and you know
• 53:30
  Speaker 2: the branches that came out of it. Yeah, they're the
• 53:33
  Speaker 2: oldest religion by far. I mean, it depends on how
• 53:36
  Speaker 2: to find religion. Shamanism is like probably the onset of
• 53:39
  Speaker 2: religion tens thirty forty fifty thousand years ago.
• 53:41
  Speaker 3: Might be older than that.
• 53:43
  Speaker 2: I don't know for sure, but yeah, it's weird that
• 53:45
  Speaker 2: we think, well, the Abrahamic faiths they're the first, and
• 53:49
  Speaker 2: the Ten Commandments are the first, like not at all.
• 53:52
  Speaker 2: In fact, even just a few hundred years before the
• 53:55
  Speaker 2: Ten Commandments, you had the Code of Hammurabbi, which was
• 53:58
  Speaker 2: also based on an older code in in ancient Sumer.
• 54:03
  Speaker 2: So the Ten Commandments are not a unique thing. They're
• 54:06
  Speaker 2: not even a quote, you know, Jewish thing or a
• 54:09
  Speaker 2: Moses thing. I mean they are those things, but they're
• 54:12
  Speaker 2: also much older. And it's not that that discredits them.
• 54:16
  Speaker 2: It doesn't mean like, well, it's because there's there's an
• 54:19
  Speaker 2: older one. So that means I should not I should
• 54:21
  Speaker 2: you know, I should not follow the Ten Commandments. I
• 54:24
  Speaker 2: should go kill and still and bear false witness because
• 54:28
  Speaker 2: there's an older version like that doesn't who thinks like that?
• 54:30
  Speaker 2: I don't know why people react like that. It just
• 54:32
  Speaker 2: it means that you should still follow them, but there's
• 54:34
  Speaker 2: an older version, and the people that hold onto these
• 54:37
  Speaker 2: ten commandments you should just know that that's not the
• 54:39
  Speaker 2: first version.
• 54:41
  Speaker 3: I don't know.
• 54:42
  Speaker 2: It's like if you bought a car and then another
• 54:44
  Speaker 2: version of the car comes out next year, and then
• 54:47
  Speaker 2: there were like ten versions that the year's previous new
• 54:50
  Speaker 2: versions of the car, and people like, I've got the
• 54:52
  Speaker 2: newest car, like, but they there's like a ninety seven model.
• 54:56
  Speaker 2: Now I've got the newest one in two thousand and
• 54:58
  Speaker 2: you know eleven.
• 54:59
  Speaker 3: It just doesn't it does make it.
• 55:00
  Speaker 2: It's weird to me. I just it's something I've observed.
• 55:02
  Speaker 2: It's very strange. I don't understand much.
• 55:04
  Speaker 1: It's almost like they won an excuse.
• 55:07
  Speaker 3: To be good, an excuse to be good, like an excuse.
• 55:13
  Speaker 1: To be good, right, Like, Oh, well, if we didn't
• 55:15
  Speaker 1: have Christianity, we didn't have these things commandments, if we
• 55:17
  Speaker 1: didn't have the Bible, then everything would just be crazy.
• 55:20
  Speaker 3: Everything would just be yeah, Arcadie, like.
• 55:22
  Speaker 1: I would just be doing If there's no meaning to
• 55:24
  Speaker 1: this reality and there's no meaning to existence and Jesus
• 55:28
  Speaker 1: wasn't real, then then I would just go and do
• 55:31
  Speaker 1: whatever I want.
• 55:32
  Speaker 3: Yeah. There, Well, there's definitely a little bit of that.
• 55:35
  Speaker 1: That shit doesn't make any sense, bro.
• 55:37
  Speaker 3: So I have two comments. I have two comments on that.
• 55:40
  Speaker 2: For first of all, I saw this really funny comedian.
• 55:44
  Speaker 2: She's a Japanese comedian and it is because I guess
• 55:47
  Speaker 2: where I am. It popped up on my feed. She
• 55:49
  Speaker 2: speaks English and she does a US tour two and
• 55:52
  Speaker 2: she was saying because she's married to an American guy.
• 55:55
  Speaker 2: She was saying that. She said that her father in law,
• 55:58
  Speaker 2: so her husband's dad. Her father in law asked her,
• 56:01
  Speaker 2: you know you come from Japan, how do you guys
• 56:04
  Speaker 2: know not to steal and kill each other. Well, how
• 56:09
  Speaker 2: do you have such low crime rates if you don't
• 56:11
  Speaker 2: have the Bible? And she's like I looked at him.
• 56:15
  Speaker 3: It was like.
• 56:17
  Speaker 2: She's like, I started thinking to myself, it would be
• 56:20
  Speaker 2: really dangerous if you know, my father in law couldn't
• 56:23
  Speaker 2: find his Bible because that's the only thing stopping him
• 56:26
  Speaker 2: from killing somebody. Just kind of maybe think of what
• 56:30
  Speaker 2: you're saying there. It's it's totally it's totally true, like you,
• 56:34
  Speaker 2: It's it's really crazy that yet that people have been
• 56:36
  Speaker 2: conditioned to think. And I'm not I'm not rejecting the Bible.
• 56:40
  Speaker 2: I'm just saying, if, if is that really the only
• 56:43
  Speaker 2: thing holding people back from mass murder and drug use
• 56:47
  Speaker 2: and raping people.
• 56:49
  Speaker 3: I mean, I guess they.
• 56:50
  Speaker 1: Make it seem like, they make it seem like that
• 56:52
  Speaker 1: that is the only thing that's keeping them good, which
• 56:55
  Speaker 1: is just asinine. Bro. It's like, it's so ridiculous, and
• 56:59
  Speaker 1: I really don't understand that logic.
• 57:02
  Speaker 3: I have it. I think I have an answer, if
• 57:05
  Speaker 3: I may, please.
• 57:07
  Speaker 1: Try and explain it and the best way that you can,
• 57:10
  Speaker 1: because I'm kind of I don't even know how to
• 57:14
  Speaker 1: explain it.
• 57:14
  Speaker 2: But yes, please, I don't think this is the answer.
• 57:17
  Speaker 2: I think it's maybe an answer, and it goes a
• 57:20
  Speaker 2: little bit like this, the collect my, my laughter, my
• 57:26
  Speaker 2: thoughts here, I'm trying to be trying to be serious.
• 57:29
  Speaker 2: I think it has to do with the fact that
• 57:32
  Speaker 2: when Christianity first began to blossom and develop, and it's
• 57:39
  Speaker 2: it's it's essentially growing out of Judaism, right, It's an
• 57:44
  Speaker 2: extension of Judaism people that follow Christ, and Christ made
• 57:51
  Speaker 2: it so we don't need to sacrifice animals anymore, which
• 57:54
  Speaker 2: the Jews still to this day do because they don't
• 57:56
  Speaker 2: recognize Jesus. There are Messianic Jews, but for the most part,
• 57:59
  Speaker 2: they even recently during Yam Kapor, they were still talking about,
• 58:03
  Speaker 2: you know, they sacrifice animals preparing for the red heifer too.
• 58:06
  Speaker 2: But Jesus said, you don't have to do that anymore.
• 58:08
  Speaker 2: You don't have to, you know, have the blood rituals
• 58:10
  Speaker 2: or any of that used water. So the Christians replaced
• 58:13
  Speaker 2: blood with water. They adapted many of the Jewish traditions
• 58:19
  Speaker 2: and beliefs and transformed them into something else. But in
• 58:22
  Speaker 2: the early days of Christianity, one of the biggest differences
• 58:26
  Speaker 2: between Judaism and Christianity is exactly what Jesus was talking
• 58:29
  Speaker 2: about in the Book of Matthew, where Jesus says, we
• 58:32
  Speaker 2: don't need you anymore. We can find salvation in ourselves.
• 58:38
  Speaker 2: We don't need the Pharisees anymore, which is why they
• 58:41
  Speaker 2: demanded his head and the Romans obliged. And that's a
• 58:45
  Speaker 2: whole another thing we could talk about if you're interested.
• 58:47
  Speaker 2: But the point is the main difference was that the
• 58:51
  Speaker 2: Jewish leadership said you have to follow us to obtain salvation.
• 58:57
  Speaker 2: Jesus said, that's bs. You don't have to followed the
• 59:00
  Speaker 2: leadership of these people or any other people. You just
• 59:03
  Speaker 2: have to follow in my footsteps. My footsteps are It's
• 59:07
  Speaker 2: an internal transformative process. It's realizing you don't need an institution,
• 59:11
  Speaker 2: you don't need the Sanhedrin. You can be saved by
• 59:16
  Speaker 2: recognizing the true eternal self, the soul, the spirit, et cetera.
• 59:20
  Speaker 2: In a nutshell, that's what it is. So in other words,
• 59:24
  Speaker 2: to put it really simple, the Jewish leadership said, you
• 59:27
  Speaker 2: can only be saved through us, and by the way,
• 59:29
  Speaker 2: if you're not Jewish, get out. So nobody else has
• 59:33
  Speaker 2: salvation except us. We're chosen, We're unique. The Christians, on
• 59:36
  Speaker 2: the other hand, said you can be saved even if
• 59:41
  Speaker 2: you're not Jewish, and some Jews converted to Christianity because
• 59:44
  Speaker 2: of that. But early Christians said, you can be saved
• 59:49
  Speaker 2: no matter what you've done. And that's a good thing,
• 59:54
  Speaker 2: but it's also not a great thing because what kind
• 59:57
  Speaker 2: of people ran to that cult. Murderers or the worst
• 1:00:04
  Speaker 2: of the worst, who are like, wait a minute, I
• 1:00:07
  Speaker 2: can just rape and kill and still and then you'll
• 1:00:09
  Speaker 2: like wave something over my head or like touch me
• 1:00:12
  Speaker 2: and I'll be healed and I can just do it again. Granted,
• 1:00:16
  Speaker 2: I'm sure there were super small numbers of people who
• 1:00:19
  Speaker 2: thought that way. I'm just explaining it in kind of
• 1:00:22
  Speaker 2: a humorous, you know tone, But that is who the
• 1:00:26
  Speaker 2: church initially, or not even the church. That's who the
• 1:00:29
  Speaker 2: early Christians attracted. And in the same way that there
• 1:00:32
  Speaker 2: are people today who might have done something horrible, maybe
• 1:00:35
  Speaker 2: they killed somebody, cold blooded murder, and then later they
• 1:00:38
  Speaker 2: find Jesus in prison, and then they get out of prison.
• 1:00:41
  Speaker 2: They're coven in tattoos, but they you know, they've got
• 1:00:43
  Speaker 2: they look like a gangster. But now suddenly they were
• 1:00:45
  Speaker 2: across and they dressed nice and they go to church
• 1:00:47
  Speaker 2: and they look like they used to be a bad ass,
• 1:00:49
  Speaker 2: but now they're they're the children of God. And that's
• 1:00:52
  Speaker 2: what was happening then too. But because so many bad
• 1:00:55
  Speaker 2: people were attracted to Christianity due to that fact, I
• 1:01:00
  Speaker 2: don't know if this is the reason, but it might
• 1:01:02
  Speaker 2: be why the later but the early church fathers started
• 1:01:06
  Speaker 2: to sort of remold that idea so that Christianity became
• 1:01:13
  Speaker 2: more like Judaism. So instead of the Jewish leader saying,
• 1:01:18
  Speaker 2: you can't be saved unless you're one of us. If
• 1:01:20
  Speaker 2: you're not one of us, get out, we condemn you
• 1:01:23
  Speaker 2: your cattle, and the Christians initially saying, well, anybody can
• 1:01:27
  Speaker 2: be saved, which is a good thing, but that attracted
• 1:01:29
  Speaker 2: a lot of really bad people who might not have
• 1:01:31
  Speaker 2: wanted to actually be saved. Might have meant they had
• 1:01:34
  Speaker 2: a consciousness, but they didn't necessarily want to be permanently saved.
• 1:01:38
  Speaker 2: What happened with the early church fathers they said, well,
• 1:01:41
  Speaker 2: and then the much later church, or rather I should
• 1:01:43
  Speaker 2: say the more recent church, they said, well, you know,
• 1:01:47
  Speaker 2: how about this, If you don't convert to Christianity, we'll
• 1:01:52
  Speaker 2: kill you yeah, the Muslims did the same thing. But
• 1:01:56
  Speaker 2: it's basically a transformation. It's a weird transformation of like,
• 1:02:01
  Speaker 2: you have to be one of us to get salvation.
• 1:02:03
  Speaker 2: Jesus says that's not true. You can be a Christian.
• 1:02:07
  Speaker 2: He didn't say that, but that's the idea of right,
• 1:02:09
  Speaker 2: you can be a Christian. It could be separate and
• 1:02:11
  Speaker 2: we accept Jews too. That's great, want to convert. And
• 1:02:14
  Speaker 2: then later it was like, well, you don't have to convert,
• 1:02:19
  Speaker 2: but if you don't, not only are you not going
• 1:02:21
  Speaker 2: to be saved, we'll kill you.
• 1:02:24
  Speaker 3: So that that might.
• 1:02:27
  Speaker 2: Be just that little piece of history, and it's a
• 1:02:31
  Speaker 2: small piece of history admittedly, but that might explain away
• 1:02:35
  Speaker 2: a little bit about what we're talking about here.
• 1:02:38
  Speaker 1: Bro, if your religion is the only thing that's keeping
• 1:02:41
  Speaker 1: you civilized and keeping you from murdering people and raping
• 1:02:45
  Speaker 1: people and stealing, like, you need to go home and
• 1:02:49
  Speaker 1: rethink your entire life. Bro, you're not a good person.
• 1:02:52
  Speaker 3: Yeah, yeah, yeah, you're totally right.
• 1:02:56
  Speaker 2: And that's you know, I've had Unfortunately, I've known a
• 1:02:59
  Speaker 2: lot of not unfortunately it's unfortunate they were in these situations,
• 1:03:02
  Speaker 2: but unfortunately I've known people throughout my life. Mostly women
• 1:03:07
  Speaker 2: that are married to guys. Usually it's guys, they're usually well,
• 1:03:12
  Speaker 2: I don't mean that in a homosexual way. I'm just
• 1:03:14
  Speaker 2: saying it's usually women that they are married to these
• 1:03:15
  Speaker 2: types of guys. As I'm trying to preface my thoughts here,
• 1:03:19
  Speaker 2: it's usually women married to these types of guys who
• 1:03:20
  Speaker 2: are quote Christian, but they're like cheaters and wife beaters,
• 1:03:24
  Speaker 2: but since they're Christian, it's like all is forgiven after
• 1:03:27
  Speaker 2: they you know, rape their wife or after they beat
• 1:03:30
  Speaker 2: their kids or something. And there's a lot of that
• 1:03:34
  Speaker 2: in fundamentalist type churches because that's the kind of person.
• 1:03:39
  Speaker 2: I think Christians need to recognize. This, that's the kind
• 1:03:42
  Speaker 2: of person that's attracted to the cult. It's it's it's
• 1:03:46
  Speaker 2: you know, vulnerable people that are you know, like a
• 1:03:50
  Speaker 2: traditionalist Christian conservative type of girl. You know, the woman
• 1:03:53
  Speaker 2: that wears the dress and maybe he's quiet and maybe
• 1:03:56
  Speaker 2: wants to take care of the household, and who's going
• 1:03:59
  Speaker 2: to be attracted to someone who is essentially prey a predator.
• 1:04:03
  Speaker 2: And then when you just dismiss it as ah, you know,
• 1:04:07
  Speaker 2: he's a Christian, So it's okay. I mean that's essentially
• 1:04:10
  Speaker 2: what was happening in the early days of the spread
• 1:04:12
  Speaker 2: of Christianity. That's not an exclusive thing. I'm just saying,
• 1:04:15
  Speaker 2: it's not like a even a general thing. I'm just
• 1:04:18
  Speaker 2: saying that there's there's certainly a little bit of that today,
• 1:04:23
  Speaker 2: and there's definitely a lot of that historically, and they just,
• 1:04:28
  Speaker 2: I guess, hide behind the Bible in that way. Right,
• 1:04:31
  Speaker 2: It's like, well, I did do those bad things, but
• 1:04:34
  Speaker 2: I mean, I'm a Christian, so don't you forgive me.
• 1:04:37
  Speaker 2: That's like a psychopath and there's a ton of that
• 1:04:41
  Speaker 2: in Christianity, and it's the same it's the same psychosis
• 1:04:45
  Speaker 2: that you find in Judaism. Not all Jews are like that,
• 1:04:48
  Speaker 2: but I mean, I've grown up in my life and
• 1:04:51
  Speaker 2: had three or four different experiences with people that were
• 1:04:54
  Speaker 2: Jewish where they're the most self centered, egotistic, totally psychotic,
• 1:04:59
  Speaker 2: homicidal man.
• 1:05:00
  Speaker 3: He acts that. It's like a.
• 1:05:02
  Speaker 2: TV character or a movie character, just simply because like
• 1:05:06
  Speaker 2: this guy, my film school class used to tell us
• 1:05:08
  Speaker 2: all the time, you want to.
• 1:05:09
  Speaker 3: Go out to lunch, Well I'm Jewish. Well do you
• 1:05:12
  Speaker 3: want to go to it has to be kosher?
• 1:05:14
  Speaker 2: Well no, no, no, I'm just I'm just Jewish, Like, why
• 1:05:16
  Speaker 2: do you have to tell me that every day?
• 1:05:17
  Speaker 3: I don't care, do you want to have lunch or not?
• 1:05:20
  Speaker 3: That kind of weird thing.
• 1:05:21
  Speaker 2: And there's a lot of that in Christianity too, and
• 1:05:23
  Speaker 2: I'm sure there's a lot of that in Islam too.
• 1:05:25
  Speaker 2: It's it's cult like thinking and it's very very bizarre
• 1:05:30
  Speaker 2: to me. But I'll ramble on and on, so please
• 1:05:33
  Speaker 2: stop me.
• 1:05:34
  Speaker 1: Well, that's the thing is that you don't need someone
• 1:05:36
  Speaker 1: telling you what to do in order to be a
• 1:05:39
  Speaker 1: good person. Like that's what Neo Drifter was just kind
• 1:05:42
  Speaker 1: of referencing. There was like, yeah, religious book wants someone
• 1:05:46
  Speaker 1: to tell them what they're doing wrong. How about you
• 1:05:48
  Speaker 1: be accountable for yourself?
• 1:05:49
  Speaker 2: Right, That's what Jesus was teaching, precisely was teaching.
• 1:05:53
  Speaker 1: That's exactly what Jesus was teaching. And should we should
• 1:05:56
  Speaker 1: Christians not strive to be more like Jesus. But that's
• 1:05:59
  Speaker 1: a whole other story. But you should be a good
• 1:06:02
  Speaker 1: person regardless of your religious affiliation, regardless if you go
• 1:06:08
  Speaker 1: to church on Sunday, Wednesday, every single holiday. It should
• 1:06:13
  Speaker 1: not matter. Now if you are a Christian, good for you.
• 1:06:19
  Speaker 1: That's great. I got nothing against you. I have no
• 1:06:21
  Speaker 1: problems with you at all. If your religion makes you
• 1:06:24
  Speaker 1: a better person.
• 1:06:26
  Speaker 3: That's right. That's the bottom line.
• 1:06:28
  Speaker 1: I'm giving you a thumbs up. You are a okay
• 1:06:31
  Speaker 1: in my book. But if the only reason that you're
• 1:06:36
  Speaker 1: a Christian is so that you don't murder and rape
• 1:06:42
  Speaker 1: and steal, like, that's a whole other story. You should
• 1:06:48
  Speaker 1: be a good person just because you want to be
• 1:06:50
  Speaker 1: a good person. That's the bottom line. I mean, that's
• 1:06:54
  Speaker 1: the bottom line.
• 1:06:55
  Speaker 2: Bob, that's the bottom line. I think with any it
• 1:06:59
  Speaker 2: doesn't matter what the subject is. I see somebody in
• 1:07:02
  Speaker 2: the chat said that you see that in veganism too.
• 1:07:05
  Speaker 2: It's like, yeah, you also see that in carnivorism. You
• 1:07:07
  Speaker 2: see that in any group, mentality, any group, I think, ideology,
• 1:07:13
  Speaker 2: or any you know group, think zelotry, you find that
• 1:07:16
  Speaker 2: same thing. It's it's a human thing, is ultimately.
• 1:07:21
  Speaker 3: What it is.
• 1:07:22
  Speaker 2: I'll tell you I I have I don't subscribe to
• 1:07:26
  Speaker 2: things per se, but I like spending more time around
• 1:07:31
  Speaker 2: Buddhist institutions. You you, there's definitely a lot of places
• 1:07:37
  Speaker 2: I've gone that are that are you know, big Buddhist
• 1:07:39
  Speaker 2: temples and it's weird to watch like like a monk,
• 1:07:44
  Speaker 2: you know, walk out of the temple and get into
• 1:07:46
  Speaker 2: a like a sixty thousand dollars sports car.
• 1:07:50
  Speaker 3: Clearly there's something wrong there.
• 1:07:52
  Speaker 1: There's like where a freaking Rolex watch and a cross
• 1:07:56
  Speaker 1: from out a freaking yeah or whatever. Bro is all blinded.
• 1:08:00
  Speaker 1: He's got a freaking Apple watch on.
• 1:08:03
  Speaker 3: I went.
• 1:08:04
  Speaker 2: I went to one in Kio. There's a Kyoto. There's
• 1:08:06
  Speaker 2: a Kyoto. No, No, it was South Tokyo. I went
• 1:08:09
  Speaker 2: to one in South Tokyo.
• 1:08:10
  Speaker 3: I don't know what.
• 1:08:11
  Speaker 2: I forget the name of the temple. There's so many
• 1:08:12
  Speaker 2: of them. And I swear that there was like a Mercedes,
• 1:08:17
  Speaker 2: a BMW and one of those range rovers that are
• 1:08:20
  Speaker 2: like eighty grand And I was thinking, like that's I'm
• 1:08:24
  Speaker 2: pretty sure that's I mean, I don't It depends on
• 1:08:27
  Speaker 2: I guess what perception of Buddhist teachings that you you adopt.
• 1:08:31
  Speaker 3: But I don't think that's.
• 1:08:33
  Speaker 2: Really I don't know if that's really the acceptable in Buddhism.
• 1:08:37
  Speaker 2: I guess you can interpret it any way you want.
• 1:08:39
  Speaker 1: But hey, Bro, they want their nut. Bro, they want
• 1:08:42
  Speaker 1: their nut and they want to eat it, dude, And hey,
• 1:08:46
  Speaker 1: they got their nut. If that's what, If that's what
• 1:08:50
  Speaker 1: makes them happy, then that's what makes them happy. But
• 1:08:53
  Speaker 1: I mean the same way with Christianity too. I mean
• 1:08:55
  Speaker 1: the mega churches, I mean the Joelsings, all of those
• 1:08:59
  Speaker 1: types of driving around and stretch limos. You know, have
• 1:09:05
  Speaker 1: mega churches and the televangelists, which they're not that popular anymore,
• 1:09:09
  Speaker 1: but I mean that's pretty much what they What was
• 1:09:12
  Speaker 1: that one guy that was really a popular preacher before.
• 1:09:16
  Speaker 3: Ellie Graham a son, It was the guy that was like,
• 1:09:19
  Speaker 3: that's the level that guy. I forget what his name is,
• 1:09:24
  Speaker 3: but I forget.
• 1:09:28
  Speaker 1: I think that it seems like in every type of religion.
• 1:09:30
  Speaker 1: But I've met those Buddhist monks before too, where actually
• 1:09:35
  Speaker 1: seeing a few of them in a mall. They were like, all,
• 1:09:39
  Speaker 1: you know, with the Buddhist monk, what is the ceremony,
• 1:09:45
  Speaker 1: it's not a ceremonial. That's what they wear. What is
• 1:09:50
  Speaker 1: it called the cheese or whatever that that it's called.
• 1:09:56
  Speaker 1: And they had like roll axes on, and I'm like,
• 1:09:59
  Speaker 1: they have.
• 1:10:00
  Speaker 2: You just have prayer beads that are very similar to
• 1:10:02
  Speaker 2: the Christian or the Catholic rosary too.
• 1:10:06
  Speaker 3: Oh.
• 1:10:06
  Speaker 2: Actually I have this is from a Buddhist temple. I
• 1:10:09
  Speaker 2: have listener's audio form. Can't see this obviously, but this
• 1:10:14
  Speaker 2: goes back to our Halloween show. I got this. I
• 1:10:16
  Speaker 2: don't know if you can see that, you probably hear it.
• 1:10:19
  Speaker 2: I have this little gold I did a whole show
• 1:10:22
  Speaker 2: on this object. Some of your listeners probably watched that
• 1:10:25
  Speaker 2: show on YouTube. I'm not trying to hypnotize you. I'm
• 1:10:28
  Speaker 2: just showing you this because if you look at it
• 1:10:30
  Speaker 2: real closely, you can see that there's eight points, and
• 1:10:34
  Speaker 2: those eight points relate to the eight parts of the
• 1:10:38
  Speaker 2: wheel of the year that turns. So those are the
• 1:10:42
  Speaker 2: solstices and the equinoxes and the midpoints between them. So
• 1:10:46
  Speaker 2: we are coming around full circle now that it is
• 1:10:50
  Speaker 2: the fall. And I got that at Ingyoji Temple in Himiji, Japan.
• 1:10:54
  Speaker 2: It's actually where they filmed a part of the Last
• 1:10:57
  Speaker 2: Samurai movie. It's on top of this big mountain called
• 1:11:00
  Speaker 2: Mount Shosha. I think it's Mount Shosha, and it's interesting.
• 1:11:04
  Speaker 2: It's like fifteen hundred years plus old something like that.
• 1:11:10
  Speaker 2: I think there's some segments of the place that go
• 1:11:12
  Speaker 2: back to the time of Christ and you go up
• 1:11:14
  Speaker 2: to this we have to take like a bus or
• 1:11:16
  Speaker 2: at cab and then you take a cable car and
• 1:11:18
  Speaker 2: then you walk it's way up there. And I just tho,
• 1:11:21
  Speaker 2: that was interesting because I was walking around and went
• 1:11:24
  Speaker 2: to the furthest part on the mountain, the furthest part
• 1:11:28
  Speaker 2: of the temple that I had not been to the
• 1:11:29
  Speaker 2: first time I went, and I was reading about how
• 1:11:32
  Speaker 2: the temple was founded, and I had not read this before,
• 1:11:36
  Speaker 2: and I just thought it was so interesting because it
• 1:11:38
  Speaker 2: describes two brothers or two beans, very similar to like
• 1:11:43
  Speaker 2: Castor and Pollox of the Roman city of Rome was
• 1:11:47
  Speaker 2: founded by these two brothers. It probably relates to the
• 1:11:50
  Speaker 2: constellations the twins, and they they have a festival in
• 1:11:55
  Speaker 2: the winter on top of this mountain. They also have
• 1:11:59
  Speaker 2: it in Hiroshima as well, at the its Kashima Shrine.
• 1:12:03
  Speaker 3: They have this festival.
• 1:12:04
  Speaker 2: Of the point is these two characters, one is green,
• 1:12:07
  Speaker 2: one is red, and they have a festival where they
• 1:12:10
  Speaker 2: use pine trees, they light pine trees on fire, or
• 1:12:15
  Speaker 2: they have pine tree branches, and they have this festival
• 1:12:20
  Speaker 2: in the dead of winter. And I thought red and
• 1:12:24
  Speaker 2: green pine trees and like the turn of the year.
• 1:12:30
  Speaker 2: That sounds eerily similar to what we call Christmas traditions.
• 1:12:36
  Speaker 2: It's because it's the same symbolism. It doesn't matter if
• 1:12:39
  Speaker 2: it's on top of a mountain in Himeji, Japan, or
• 1:12:42
  Speaker 2: it's down in the water at its Kashima in Hiroshima,
• 1:12:46
  Speaker 2: or it's across the world on the other side of
• 1:12:49
  Speaker 2: the planet like that in the middle of the winter.
• 1:12:53
  Speaker 2: If there's anything that is still green, that becomes a
• 1:12:57
  Speaker 2: symbol of veneration and it's pine, you know, it's one
• 1:13:02
  Speaker 2: of those symbols, or those little red berries one of
• 1:13:05
  Speaker 2: those symbols. So red and green. Plus you know, green
• 1:13:09
  Speaker 2: is also the green man, so there's a spirit of
• 1:13:11
  Speaker 2: those crops which are also little green men, which are
• 1:13:14
  Speaker 2: you know, the aliens are the spirits of the fairies
• 1:13:17
  Speaker 2: in one way. And then you have you know, all
• 1:13:19
  Speaker 2: the other elements as well. You have the red, which
• 1:13:22
  Speaker 2: is like the birthing of the new sun, the birthing,
• 1:13:25
  Speaker 2: you know, the blood. Just it doesn't The point is,
• 1:13:28
  Speaker 2: it doesn't matter where you look in the world, you
• 1:13:30
  Speaker 2: find the same imagery. You find the same symbols. Because
• 1:13:32
  Speaker 2: we're all human and we all see the world in
• 1:13:37
  Speaker 2: a very similar way. We just call it different things,
• 1:13:40
  Speaker 2: different names. Just it's but it's all pretty much the same.
• 1:13:44
  Speaker 2: That's kind of become my slogan. It's like it's it's
• 1:13:47
  Speaker 2: it's all pretty much the same. It's all coming from
• 1:13:49
  Speaker 2: the same place. It's it's the human that's where it's
• 1:13:52
  Speaker 2: coming from.
• 1:13:55
  Speaker 1: Yeah. And if we're we are all God, Like the
• 1:13:57
  Speaker 1: Bible pretty much says that we are all God. You know,
• 1:14:01
  Speaker 1: the Kingdom of Heaven is within, the Temple of God
• 1:14:04
  Speaker 1: is between your behind your eyes in front of your
• 1:14:08
  Speaker 1: yours the h what is should I just lost my
• 1:14:14
  Speaker 1: train of thought.
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  Speaker 2: About the Temple of God or about the nature of
• 1:14:21
  Speaker 2: the God self or.
• 1:14:24
  Speaker 1: I have no idea. I don't remember, but I did
• 1:14:27
  Speaker 1: want to talk about divination. I'll probably remember here soon.
• 1:14:30
  Speaker 1: What uh? How is divination connected with Halloween and some
• 1:14:36
  Speaker 1: of the order Celtic holiday of Halloween?
• 1:14:44
  Speaker 2: Yes, is divination is the primary focus of a community
• 1:14:50
  Speaker 2: on Halloween traditionally, because we talked about the winter and
• 1:14:53
  Speaker 2: the cold and the dark and snow and is this
• 1:14:56
  Speaker 2: going to end?
• 1:14:57
  Speaker 3: Et cetera.
• 1:14:58
  Speaker 2: And so one way that made people feel better and
• 1:15:02
  Speaker 2: gave them hope was to perform acts of divination. Now
• 1:15:07
  Speaker 2: I understand that from certain perspectives. That word needs to
• 1:15:13
  Speaker 2: be defined because most people assume that it means some
• 1:15:17
  Speaker 2: sort of quote witchcraft or evil or its demonic and whatnot.
• 1:15:22
  Speaker 2: But the definition of divination, to at least the Celtic people's,
• 1:15:27
  Speaker 2: based on the traditions, was primarily focused on marriage, but
• 1:15:34
  Speaker 2: it was also focused on, you know, making sure that
• 1:15:36
  Speaker 2: the sun came back in the trees, you know, and
• 1:15:39
  Speaker 2: the plants and all that bloomed once again. So anyway,
• 1:15:42
  Speaker 2: the point is divination was central because you've got a
• 1:15:46
  Speaker 2: very very cold, dark time of the year. Divination was
• 1:15:50
  Speaker 2: central because the new year is starting on November first,
• 1:15:54
  Speaker 2: so hopefully we can start off on a good foot,
• 1:15:57
  Speaker 2: we can get up on the right side of bed,
• 1:16:00
  Speaker 2: can have our new year's resolution. Divination was kind of
• 1:16:03
  Speaker 2: like a new year's resolution, and one of the central focuses,
• 1:16:12
  Speaker 2: I mean, you find this again in any part of
• 1:16:14
  Speaker 2: the world. One of the central focuses for women was marriage.
• 1:16:18
  Speaker 2: You wanted to get married. So whether a woman sat
• 1:16:21
  Speaker 2: in front of a mirror, brushed her hair and hope
• 1:16:25
  Speaker 2: that her future husband would appear in the in the
• 1:16:28
  Speaker 2: reflection behind her it's an apparition, or whether people pulled
• 1:16:34
  Speaker 2: cabbages or leaks. The leaks were Scotland. Cabbages were more Ireland.
• 1:16:39
  Speaker 2: I'm sure the Scots did it too, but they pulled
• 1:16:42
  Speaker 2: kale as well. And it's kind of like pulling straws.
• 1:16:46
  Speaker 2: I don't know if whoever had the longest or shortest
• 1:16:48
  Speaker 2: how that worked, but you know, pulling this was like
• 1:16:51
  Speaker 2: pulling lots if you're already worried.
• 1:16:53
  Speaker 1: So fun. Like, I don't understand why we don't really
• 1:16:56
  Speaker 1: have anything like that as a tradition and as a whole.
• 1:17:00
  Speaker 1: I mean we kind of do.
• 1:17:02
  Speaker 3: I mean the apple bobbing not for the same reason, yeah.
• 1:17:05
  Speaker 1: But we don't do that anymore. That was kind of
• 1:17:07
  Speaker 1: more of a thing when we were kind of growing up,
• 1:17:10
  Speaker 1: was like apple bobbing, like during Halloween. It was a
• 1:17:12
  Speaker 1: big thing.
• 1:17:14
  Speaker 3: Yeah.
• 1:17:15
  Speaker 1: Also like back in the day too, when we would
• 1:17:18
  Speaker 1: use you know, rose petals or whatever not.
• 1:17:21
  Speaker 2: Rose wedding, we throw the bouquet back. Some some people
• 1:17:25
  Speaker 2: still do.
• 1:17:26
  Speaker 1: That, that's true. We still kind of do that, but
• 1:17:29
  Speaker 1: I mean we don't really have any thing.
• 1:17:31
  Speaker 3: That's because I mean.
• 1:17:34
  Speaker 1: I guess if I'm going a tank, flipping a coin
• 1:17:38
  Speaker 1: into a a fountain or whatever at the mall, or
• 1:17:42
  Speaker 1: into the water or whatever. Is divination too, right, because
• 1:17:46
  Speaker 1: you're like asking for like a wish.
• 1:17:50
  Speaker 2: It's a I think it's a little bit different than that,
• 1:17:52
  Speaker 2: but it's still It depends on how you view it,
• 1:17:55
  Speaker 2: because if you really believe, I don't think anybody who
• 1:17:57
  Speaker 2: puts a coin in a fountain at a at a mall,
• 1:18:00
  Speaker 2: I remember when I used to do as a kid too.
• 1:18:03
  Speaker 2: I don't think anybody actually believes that the wish is
• 1:18:06
  Speaker 2: going to come true. It's just kind of a little
• 1:18:08
  Speaker 2: fun ritual thing that you do. Maybe subconsciously people think
• 1:18:11
  Speaker 2: it's going to be true. So that's like hoping something happens.
• 1:18:16
  Speaker 2: If you're practicing divination, that's more that's more of a yeah,
• 1:18:22
  Speaker 2: there's a hope there for sure, but that's more of
• 1:18:25
  Speaker 2: a trying to get some information about, like if you're
• 1:18:28
  Speaker 2: looking in the mirror, getting some information about what you're
• 1:18:31
  Speaker 2: your a potential husband might look like, or like with
• 1:18:35
  Speaker 2: throwing the bouquet of flowers, apple bobbing, whoever can bite
• 1:18:38
  Speaker 2: the apple will will be the next to get married,
• 1:18:42
  Speaker 2: or pulling cabbage or whatever. The nuts were very popular,
• 1:18:46
  Speaker 2: especially for men. You'd have like a nut, you know,
• 1:18:48
  Speaker 2: with I don't know Sarah, and a nut that has
• 1:18:52
  Speaker 2: the name, you know, Cindy, and then you throw those
• 1:18:55
  Speaker 2: in the fire and if the one that says Sarah
• 1:18:57
  Speaker 2: pops out, he's not the one for you. Little things
• 1:19:00
  Speaker 2: like that, a lot of them are just games. So
• 1:19:03
  Speaker 2: it's interesting that you bring the thing up about the fountain,
• 1:19:05
  Speaker 2: because that's kind of like a modern divinatory, superstitious game.
• 1:19:11
  Speaker 2: But if you're living in a time when things are
• 1:19:13
  Speaker 2: very dark and cold and you're exposed to the elements
• 1:19:15
  Speaker 2: more directly, it probably.
• 1:19:18
  Speaker 3: Wasn't so much of a game.
• 1:19:19
  Speaker 2: But also because so many young people, young women's, you know,
• 1:19:23
  Speaker 2: in particular young women, were doin it, there is a
• 1:19:26
  Speaker 2: game element to it, and games are part of all
• 1:19:30
  Speaker 2: of the festivals and all the traditions we have even today.
• 1:19:33
  Speaker 2: People families get together play games around Christmas time and
• 1:19:36
  Speaker 2: stuff like that. So it's kind of a mix of like, yeah,
• 1:19:38
  Speaker 2: like a wishing well a game. And I'm sure some
• 1:19:42
  Speaker 2: people actually believed it in the same way that a
• 1:19:45
  Speaker 2: lot of people might think that I practice divination. He's
• 1:19:48
  Speaker 2: the occult guy. I don't practice divination. I thought about
• 1:19:51
  Speaker 2: using the Ouija board, and that's not even always divination.
• 1:19:54
  Speaker 2: But I thought about using that for Halloween. Haven't used
• 1:19:56
  Speaker 2: it for years, Probably won't though.
• 1:19:59
  Speaker 1: Have you ever heard have you never done that? Though?
• 1:20:01
  Speaker 1: Where like I did this a lot when I was
• 1:20:02
  Speaker 1: a kid, which you're bringing this back into the forefront
• 1:20:06
  Speaker 1: of my memory when we're talking about this. I would
• 1:20:09
  Speaker 1: do like little things like it could be like something
• 1:20:15
  Speaker 1: really stupid.
• 1:20:17
  Speaker 3: What you're going to say, yeah, I.
• 1:20:18
  Speaker 1: Would no, but I would be like I would like,
• 1:20:22
  Speaker 1: I don't have a crumpled up piece of paper or whatever.
• 1:20:24
  Speaker 3: And then I would tell me the trash can.
• 1:20:26
  Speaker 1: Then something is going to happen.
• 1:20:29
  Speaker 3: Everybody does, dude.
• 1:20:30
  Speaker 1: I swear almost every time that I would hit it
• 1:20:34
  Speaker 1: like the thing that I wanted would normally happen. Bro.
• 1:20:38
  Speaker 1: Now then I'm like thinking back at it, how many
• 1:20:41
  Speaker 1: how many other people have done that? Let us know
• 1:20:43
  Speaker 1: in the chat if you ever it didn't even have
• 1:20:46
  Speaker 1: to be like a trash can thing. It could have
• 1:20:47
  Speaker 1: been like whatever you could have been playing with, like
• 1:20:50
  Speaker 1: darts or like playing with your action figures. If I
• 1:20:52
  Speaker 1: make this figure fall from the top of the TV
• 1:20:55
  Speaker 1: and it lands perfectly on this little thing and he
• 1:20:57
  Speaker 1: pops back up on his feet, then my bud, my
• 1:21:00
  Speaker 1: friend is going to be able to stay the night there,
• 1:21:01
  Speaker 1: you know what I mean, Like, yeah, it's.
• 1:21:04
  Speaker 2: Stupid thing if I make this green light, Yeah I
• 1:21:07
  Speaker 2: do that absolutely.
• 1:21:10
  Speaker 1: Yeah, it's kind of a form of it, right, Yeah.
• 1:21:13
  Speaker 2: And I mean, I know, having grown up a Baptist,
• 1:21:16
  Speaker 2: it was very popular.
• 1:21:17
  Speaker 3: I don't know if this is a Baptist thing. I don't.
• 1:21:20
  Speaker 3: I really don't think it is.
• 1:21:21
  Speaker 2: Maybe it is, but I when I was, you know,
• 1:21:24
  Speaker 2: in when I was a kid and I was growing
• 1:21:26
  Speaker 2: around those people, it was really common for you know,
• 1:21:29
  Speaker 2: people to open their Bibles and then just close their
• 1:21:33
  Speaker 2: eyes and say, all right, God, show me what you
• 1:21:36
  Speaker 2: want me to know, and then just put their finger
• 1:21:39
  Speaker 2: on something. I mean, that's the definition of bibliomancy. You're
• 1:21:44
  Speaker 2: not looking for something, You're just like opening your Bible
• 1:21:47
  Speaker 2: randomly touching something. This is what God wants me to know.
• 1:21:50
  Speaker 2: That's practicing the same thing. And and and you know,
• 1:21:55
  Speaker 2: I don't even entertain anymore the argument. I don't can
• 1:22:00
  Speaker 2: consider it an argument at all. I just completely rejected
• 1:22:04
  Speaker 2: outright when someone says to me, well, that's because you
• 1:22:08
  Speaker 2: know the reason that's okay is because we're praying to
• 1:22:10
  Speaker 2: the One True God and all the other ones are evil.
• 1:22:15
  Speaker 2: I just don't even listen to that anymore because that
• 1:22:18
  Speaker 2: is a circular argument that people will have with you.
• 1:22:24
  Speaker 2: It's not actually an argument. It's just delusional and it's very,
• 1:22:29
  Speaker 2: very silly to argue something like that. I know that's
• 1:22:32
  Speaker 2: what people would argue. But if you put your hand
• 1:22:34
  Speaker 2: in the Bible and say, what does God want me
• 1:22:36
  Speaker 2: to know, that's a very similar thing to what we're discussing.
• 1:22:42
  Speaker 2: But again, all these things is like divination. There's game playing.
• 1:22:45
  Speaker 2: There's a lot of different definitions, but pretty much the
• 1:22:48
  Speaker 2: same thing. But you're using a Bible and there's no
• 1:22:50
  Speaker 2: difference between. Think about this. I've used this example about
• 1:22:54
  Speaker 2: the Bible before. What is your average Bible? Unless you
• 1:22:57
  Speaker 2: have like an old one that's bound in leather, and
• 1:23:00
  Speaker 2: if you have a leather case, take it out of
• 1:23:02
  Speaker 2: the leather case. What is the Bible? It is paper,
• 1:23:05
  Speaker 2: maybe some cardboard and ink.
• 1:23:08
  Speaker 3: That's it.
• 1:23:09
  Speaker 2: And if you have little tabs that tell you what
• 1:23:11
  Speaker 2: books plastic, that's it. And what is a wija board?
• 1:23:15
  Speaker 2: Alija board is cardboard, ink, paper with some glue and plastic.
• 1:23:22
  Speaker 2: They're just materials. It's a matter of what you do
• 1:23:24
  Speaker 2: with them. Which is another weird thing and another like
• 1:23:28
  Speaker 2: double standard where you have like Christian conservative people that say, listen,
• 1:23:32
  Speaker 2: guns don't kill people, really bad people and democrats and
• 1:23:35
  Speaker 2: people on drugs kill people, and guns are just objects.
• 1:23:38
  Speaker 2: You have to operate them if you're going to kill somebody.
• 1:23:40
  Speaker 2: And then they're like, no, the wijiaboard's evil. Well, it's
• 1:23:44
  Speaker 2: just an object. It's the same thing with the gun argument.
• 1:23:46
  Speaker 2: It's just an object. Like I can this is an object.
• 1:23:48
  Speaker 2: This is a keyboard. This is a wijiboard. You can
• 1:23:51
  Speaker 2: use this as a wija board. This little keyboard they have,
• 1:23:54
  Speaker 2: you can put your hands on it and just tell
• 1:23:56
  Speaker 2: the spirits to tell you what you can. That's called
• 1:23:58
  Speaker 2: automatic writing. You could use a wisia board. You can
• 1:24:01
  Speaker 2: use a pen Are we supposed to get rid of
• 1:24:03
  Speaker 2: pins and pencils?
• 1:24:04
  Speaker 1: Now?
• 1:24:04
  Speaker 2: Are we supposed to get That's like the I wish
• 1:24:08
  Speaker 2: I was a comedian and could like write these things
• 1:24:11
  Speaker 2: as like jokes and get the timing down because there's
• 1:24:13
  Speaker 2: so many good there's so many good lines here, because
• 1:24:16
  Speaker 2: you've got so many double standards, where again, like the
• 1:24:19
  Speaker 2: gun argument, and I could use the keyboard of the
• 1:24:23
  Speaker 2: Ouija board as an example, where you've got something that
• 1:24:27
  Speaker 2: is just a tool. That's all that it is, and
• 1:24:29
  Speaker 2: it's a choice. Do I use it to type out
• 1:24:33
  Speaker 2: a message to my friends? Do I write a letter
• 1:24:36
  Speaker 2: to a loved one? Do I, you know, post something
• 1:24:39
  Speaker 2: on social media? Or do I use this to go
• 1:24:42
  Speaker 2: to a website to learn how to make bombs? Or
• 1:24:45
  Speaker 2: do I use this to go and look at pornography.
• 1:24:48
  Speaker 2: It's the same thing. It's a tool, and it's how
• 1:24:52
  Speaker 2: you choose to use it. That's the only difference. In fact,
• 1:24:57
  Speaker 2: if you read I think it's the book of John
• 1:25:01
  Speaker 2: John five nineteen. I was just reading this last night.
• 1:25:04
  Speaker 2: As a matter of fact, Jesus says, this is a
• 1:25:07
  Speaker 2: quote for Jesus. It's an ink read ink. The son
• 1:25:11
  Speaker 2: can do nothing by himself. He can only do what
• 1:25:14
  Speaker 2: he sees his father doing. Because whatever the father does,
• 1:25:18
  Speaker 2: the son also does. What does that mean, Well, one,
• 1:25:21
  Speaker 2: it's literally a child. A child will do what they
• 1:25:24
  Speaker 2: see their father or their mother doing. But it's also
• 1:25:27
  Speaker 2: a symbolic description. It's a parable. It's describing how the
• 1:25:31
  Speaker 2: son or the soul. You can't do anything yourself, but
• 1:25:36
  Speaker 2: the father, the brain, or if not the brain, you know,
• 1:25:40
  Speaker 2: consciousness whatever term you'd like to apply to it. When
• 1:25:45
  Speaker 2: you tap into that, that's when the son or that's
• 1:25:47
  Speaker 2: when the body can start to do things. And that's
• 1:25:52
  Speaker 2: when it becomes a choice to use this keyboard to
• 1:25:55
  Speaker 2: you know, look up Bible verses, or use it to
• 1:25:58
  Speaker 2: look up how to you know, make a bomb. It's all.
• 1:26:04
  Speaker 2: That's what free will is. That's the choice that you have,
• 1:26:08
  Speaker 2: and the choice that you make is what determines whether
• 1:26:10
  Speaker 2: it's you know, moral or a moral not. The device
• 1:26:14
  Speaker 2: itself probably overstated the obvious, but.
• 1:26:19
  Speaker 1: No, I agree, And uh, you know, I've never maybe
• 1:26:25
  Speaker 1: I have the thing. I have played with a Wigi
• 1:26:28
  Speaker 1: board one time, like a homemade Oigi board. I think
• 1:26:34
  Speaker 1: we wrote everything on the back of a pizza box
• 1:26:37
  Speaker 1: or some shit like way back in the day. But
• 1:26:44
  Speaker 1: I guess to wrap it up, like, I think we've
• 1:26:47
  Speaker 1: talked about some paranormal experiences before in the past on
• 1:26:52
  Speaker 1: the show, But you personally believe in paran paranormal and
• 1:27:01
  Speaker 1: like ghosts and spirits and if you do, like, what
• 1:27:05
  Speaker 1: do you believe that they are? Do you think that
• 1:27:09
  Speaker 1: they're human spirits? Do you believe that they're trapped in
• 1:27:12
  Speaker 1: another realm and they need to cross over or do
• 1:27:17
  Speaker 1: you think that it's they're on like some kind of
• 1:27:21
  Speaker 1: looping loop track or that is energy and they're trying
• 1:27:26
  Speaker 1: to relive some sort of past event, Like what do
• 1:27:31
  Speaker 1: you what do you think is going on?
• 1:27:33
  Speaker 2: That idea of trying to finish your your unfinished business
• 1:27:39
  Speaker 2: or work that I found that that's actually a universal
• 1:27:42
  Speaker 2: idea as well, so it's not confined to like paranormal
• 1:27:46
  Speaker 2: discussions in the West or in the United States. That's
• 1:27:49
  Speaker 2: a pretty universal thing over here in Japan. That's also
• 1:27:52
  Speaker 2: considered what a ghost want want not the only thing,
• 1:27:55
  Speaker 2: but one thing that a ghost is supposed to be doing.
• 1:27:58
  Speaker 2: But person you're asking personally like what I personally think? Yeah,
• 1:28:04
  Speaker 2: what what I personally think is this is how my
• 1:28:08
  Speaker 2: mind works. So it might not be the answer that
• 1:28:11
  Speaker 2: that that you want, but analytically is what I think.
• 1:28:16
  Speaker 2: So when I look at like a ghost, I think
• 1:28:19
  Speaker 2: from the from the symbolic to the scientific, what is
• 1:28:23
  Speaker 2: a ghost?
• 1:28:24
  Speaker 3: You know?
• 1:28:24
  Speaker 2: You think about the cold air, You think about feeling
• 1:28:28
  Speaker 2: like somebody's watching you, you feel you know, these different things,
• 1:28:32
  Speaker 2: and there's this there's a scientific term for that.
• 1:28:34
  Speaker 3: We can describe why the air is cold or why you.
• 1:28:37
  Speaker 2: Might feel as if someone's looking at you, kind of
• 1:28:40
  Speaker 2: like that instinct when people would walk into a you know,
• 1:28:42
  Speaker 2: a room and you everybody turns and looks. There's like
• 1:28:45
  Speaker 2: an instinctual thing there might be a threat there. So
• 1:28:47
  Speaker 2: there's there's a scientific explanation, and then there's like a
• 1:28:50
  Speaker 2: symbolic or you know, a very baseline explanation where you've
• 1:28:54
  Speaker 2: got you're out in the elements and winds blowing and
• 1:28:59
  Speaker 2: it's cold, and maybe there's a predator looking at you,
• 1:29:02
  Speaker 2: and you feel like there's a will of the wisp
• 1:29:05
  Speaker 2: or some kind of ghost. You know, you're in a
• 1:29:07
  Speaker 2: place that's essentially dead, and you know, you go to
• 1:29:10
  Speaker 2: like a place that doesn't have an abandoned hospital I
• 1:29:15
  Speaker 2: don't know, or abandoned house or whatever, like a haunted
• 1:29:19
  Speaker 2: type location, naturally haunted because there's nobody living there. So
• 1:29:23
  Speaker 2: it's not that place of the living, it's the place
• 1:29:25
  Speaker 2: of the dead. So if there's nobody living, there's just
• 1:29:28
  Speaker 2: the dead, well, what are the dead? Well, it might
• 1:29:30
  Speaker 2: be there's no body, there's probably a spirit roaming around
• 1:29:34
  Speaker 2: a lot. I mean, some of that might have some
• 1:29:38
  Speaker 2: of that might have influenced the perceptions that Christians have
• 1:29:40
  Speaker 2: the Holy Spirit. Even though the Holy Spirit is not
• 1:29:43
  Speaker 2: really a ghost or the holy ghost that Catholics call it.
• 1:29:46
  Speaker 2: It's more so the feminine part of you, which is
• 1:29:51
  Speaker 2: really so the spirit. Like I guess you could say
• 1:29:53
  Speaker 2: the brain is the father, the son is the soul
• 1:29:57
  Speaker 2: in the body, and then the movement of that's soul
• 1:30:00
  Speaker 2: is the Holy ghost or that's the motivating force. So
• 1:30:06
  Speaker 2: I think a ghost is from a personal perspective, I
• 1:30:10
  Speaker 2: think ghost is a lot of things, and I think
• 1:30:13
  Speaker 2: that much like a ghost, I'll give you a better
• 1:30:17
  Speaker 2: example that I'm much more qualified to speak on from
• 1:30:21
  Speaker 2: a personal perspective too, is like the vampire. So I
• 1:30:24
  Speaker 2: did a whole show on vampires recently, and just like
• 1:30:27
  Speaker 2: a ghost, vampires have so many different meanings and different forms.
• 1:30:33
  Speaker 2: But there's a scientific explanation for the vampire porphyria, which
• 1:30:37
  Speaker 2: is a rare genetic condition where you have red stained
• 1:30:41
  Speaker 2: teeth and your skin is very pale because you're sensitive
• 1:30:46
  Speaker 2: to sunlight or really any light.
• 1:30:49
  Speaker 3: And this.
• 1:30:53
  Speaker 2: Genetic condition is also passed down through families very directly.
• 1:30:57
  Speaker 2: So if you look at the stories in Romania, the
• 1:31:00
  Speaker 2: Strigoi one sect of Strogoi, which are vampires, they feed
• 1:31:06
  Speaker 2: only on their own family. So probably logically whatever the
• 1:31:12
  Speaker 2: vampire is is feeding its own family. And this genetic
• 1:31:15
  Speaker 2: vampire disease, it's actually a scientific, you know, medically recognized
• 1:31:20
  Speaker 2: genetic disorder. It passes down through family, so it kind
• 1:31:23
  Speaker 2: of people are feeding on their family and passing down
• 1:31:25
  Speaker 2: this genetic condition. That's probably where that comes from. But
• 1:31:30
  Speaker 2: then if you look at the Chinese version of the vampire,
• 1:31:33
  Speaker 2: it doesn't drink blood. Instead, it directly sucks your chi.
• 1:31:40
  Speaker 2: But then if you look back at the Romanian version
• 1:31:42
  Speaker 2: or the other versions around the world, the reason that
• 1:31:46
  Speaker 2: it's sucking your blood in those stories is because in
• 1:31:49
  Speaker 2: your blood is the life force, which is also talked
• 1:31:52
  Speaker 2: about in the Bible. So like the Romanian vampires are
• 1:31:57
  Speaker 2: sucking blood only to get your life force, the Chinese
• 1:32:00
  Speaker 2: vampire is just directly sucking the life force and not
• 1:32:04
  Speaker 2: even bothering with the blood. It's like cutting out the middleman.
• 1:32:07
  Speaker 2: And so basically what we're talking about, I think in
• 1:32:10
  Speaker 2: the case of the Chinese vampire is what you have
• 1:32:13
  Speaker 2: in New Age lore or New Age terminology, and that
• 1:32:17
  Speaker 2: is like the energy vampire. Quite literally, that's what the
• 1:32:20
  Speaker 2: Chinese vampires it's like an energy vampire. So there's different
• 1:32:23
  Speaker 2: types of vampires, and the same way there's different types
• 1:32:26
  Speaker 2: of ghosts. And there's a very scientific and logical explanation
• 1:32:32
  Speaker 2: and then there's a more supernatural explanation. And most of
• 1:32:36
  Speaker 2: the time, I shouldn't say some of the time. Most
• 1:32:37
  Speaker 2: of the time they're really one and the same, because
• 1:32:40
  Speaker 2: it means that, yeah, vampires do have pale skin. It's
• 1:32:44
  Speaker 2: probably because of porphyria. It might also be because they
• 1:32:50
  Speaker 2: you know, maybe you're a person that drinks blood. There
• 1:32:54
  Speaker 2: are some weird people today that do that kind of
• 1:32:56
  Speaker 2: stuff and they don't have a genetic disorder, but they
• 1:33:01
  Speaker 2: don't they just like maybe they're one of the like
• 1:33:03
  Speaker 2: that Gothic couple from Portlandia. They just don't go out
• 1:33:06
  Speaker 2: in the sun, so they have got really pale skin.
• 1:33:09
  Speaker 2: And there's probably people like that historically that had no
• 1:33:12
  Speaker 2: genetic disorder. They don't actually need to drink blood, but
• 1:33:16
  Speaker 2: they maybe they drank the blood of an animal or
• 1:33:19
  Speaker 2: maybe and they just chose not to go outside in
• 1:33:21
  Speaker 2: the sun. And that started a legend, and that built
• 1:33:23
  Speaker 2: on another legend, and there's there's always layers and layers
• 1:33:28
  Speaker 2: and layers and layers and layers to these things. Ultimately, though,
• 1:33:32
  Speaker 2: we can say that a ghost is real and the
• 1:33:34
  Speaker 2: vampire is real. It's just a matter of how you
• 1:33:37
  Speaker 2: choose to define these things. And and funny enough, I
• 1:33:41
  Speaker 2: think that you know, you and I as people are
• 1:33:45
  Speaker 2: a great example of this because over here in Japan,
• 1:33:49
  Speaker 2: I'm like six', One i'm several inches taller than the average.
• 1:33:53
  Speaker 2: Male so over, Here i'm to a lot of people borderline.
• 1:33:59
  Speaker 2: Giant but if you came over, here you're much taller than,
• 1:34:03
  Speaker 2: me you would quite literally be a. Giant in the
• 1:34:06
  Speaker 2: old the way that people used to define, giants which
• 1:34:08
  Speaker 2: Across europe were people that were like seven foot, tall you,
• 1:34:12
  Speaker 2: know like even six foot six would have been a.
• 1:34:16
  Speaker 2: Giant and that's just like your STANDARD nba. Player look
• 1:34:20
  Speaker 2: at that guy that plays for this for The. Spurs
• 1:34:22
  Speaker 2: he's like seven to two seven, three and they said
• 1:34:24
  Speaker 2: he's still. Growing he's a literal. Giant is that the
• 1:34:28
  Speaker 2: same as like a twenty five foot tall. Giant, no
• 1:34:32
  Speaker 2: it's a matter of. Perspective you, know you could you
• 1:34:34
  Speaker 2: could also be five foot one and go visit the
• 1:34:38
  Speaker 2: pygmies In, africa and you're still a giant to. Them
• 1:34:42
  Speaker 2: it's it's, perspective and it's, also you, know a cultural
• 1:34:47
  Speaker 2: thing as much as it is a personal. Perspective and
• 1:34:51
  Speaker 2: so it, DOESN'T i, know it. Doesn't it's funny because
• 1:34:55
  Speaker 2: for some people that's not the, answer or that's not
• 1:34:58
  Speaker 2: the description they, want but it also confirms the answer
• 1:35:01
  Speaker 2: that they're trying to get, at and that answer is it's,
• 1:35:04
  Speaker 2: yeah ghosts are, real vampires are, real monsters are, Real
• 1:35:07
  Speaker 2: giants are. Real but how do you define? It and
• 1:35:10
  Speaker 2: that will determine how physically real it is as opposed
• 1:35:15
  Speaker 2: to how maybe metaphorically or symbolically real it. IS i
• 1:35:20
  Speaker 2: don't know if that, does BUT i hope that answers
• 1:35:22
  Speaker 2: your question to some.
• 1:35:24
  Speaker 1: Degree, dude what IF i came over there To japan
• 1:35:28
  Speaker 1: in this.
• 1:35:28
  Speaker 2: Room, WELL i don't know if that would be, weird
• 1:35:32
  Speaker 2: because you, know that's wearing robes and stuff he saw
• 1:35:36
  Speaker 2: on the. Matrix there's some people In tokyo that actually
• 1:35:38
  Speaker 2: dress like, that so maybe it might not be that.
• 1:35:41
  Speaker 2: WEIRD i, Mean i've seen some people, dressed you, know
• 1:35:45
  Speaker 2: like well in, cosplay But i've seen some people dressed
• 1:35:47
  Speaker 2: and they look Like neo on the, Subway SO i don't.
• 1:35:51
  Speaker 1: Know the holy, shit that's A Lord ashtar from the
• 1:35:55
  Speaker 1: twenty fifth AND i have three quarter to. MENS i
• 1:35:58
  Speaker 1: can't believe. It he's in the, flag she's.
• 1:36:00
  Speaker 3: Here it wouldn't be weird.
• 1:36:03
  Speaker 1: For My japanese.
• 1:36:04
  Speaker 2: Cult it wouldn't be weird In shibuya Or. SHINJUKU i
• 1:36:08
  Speaker 2: know that.
• 1:36:10
  Speaker 3: Fit right. In. Yeah do you.
• 1:36:15
  Speaker 2: Have any other any other topics or questions or anything
• 1:36:19
  Speaker 2: before we?
• 1:36:19
  Speaker 1: Conclude, NO i think you summarize it really. Perfectly it's
• 1:36:25
  Speaker 1: all about your, perspective AND i mean my perspective on
• 1:36:28
  Speaker 1: it is that entities. EXIST i have encountered them several
• 1:36:35
  Speaker 1: times in my. LIFE i know that they are, real
• 1:36:40
  Speaker 1: and people don't have to believe, me and people don't
• 1:36:43
  Speaker 1: have to believe in, entities But i've experienced, them AND
• 1:36:49
  Speaker 1: i personally know that they do exist and they are.
• 1:36:54
  Speaker 1: Real now what they, ARE i don't think anybody. Knows
• 1:37:00
  Speaker 1: nobody knows what they, are and if they if they
• 1:37:03
  Speaker 1: do tell you that they know what they, are then
• 1:37:06
  Speaker 1: they're full of, shit because, well you don't.
• 1:37:08
  Speaker 2: Know there there's like AS i, describe there's many different
• 1:37:12
  Speaker 2: definitions for whatever they might.
• 1:37:15
  Speaker 3: Be there's a.
• 1:37:18
  Speaker 2: There's a number of books That i've. Read one was
• 1:37:20
  Speaker 2: from a MAJOR us. University another one is from a
• 1:37:23
  Speaker 2: guy who Trans he does a lot Of japanese, translations
• 1:37:26
  Speaker 2: but their books on yo, kai which are you know
• 1:37:30
  Speaker 2: there It's japanese From, monster but some people might know
• 1:37:33
  Speaker 2: them AS i think there's like, anime probably anime shows about,
• 1:37:37
  Speaker 2: yokai or if you've ever watched any, anime there's probably
• 1:37:40
  Speaker 2: tons of yokai in. Them the Reason i'm bringing this
• 1:37:43
  Speaker 2: up is because there's a there's a slightly, different you,
• 1:37:47
  Speaker 2: know perspective on things like that over.
• 1:37:49
  Speaker 3: Here so as opposed to.
• 1:37:54
  Speaker 2: Maybe if you were talking to someone who's more traditional
• 1:37:58
  Speaker 2: or connected to their roots In, america they might be
• 1:38:02
  Speaker 2: more aware of or more interested in the subject of
• 1:38:06
  Speaker 2: like spirits and ghosts and all. That but for the most,
• 1:38:09
  Speaker 2: part that's kind of like a, sterile you, know subject
• 1:38:12
  Speaker 2: because of institutional religion or at least because Of, christianity
• 1:38:18
  Speaker 2: good or. Bad but over, here you, know like the
• 1:38:21
  Speaker 2: shrines that are all over the, place and you walk
• 1:38:24
  Speaker 2: through The Tory, gate Famous Tory, gates you're walking into
• 1:38:28
  Speaker 2: the spirit. World so What i'm What i'm saying is
• 1:38:31
  Speaker 2: that over, here like the spirits are all around, you
• 1:38:34
  Speaker 2: all the. Time it's built into the. Society it's how
• 1:38:37
  Speaker 2: you view the, world like every day Is. Halloween they
• 1:38:40
  Speaker 2: don't really do a lot of decorations over here except
• 1:38:42
  Speaker 2: what's drawn out of you, Know western pop, culture but
• 1:38:46
  Speaker 2: like every day here Is halloween in a, sense because
• 1:38:49
  Speaker 2: the spirits are always around. You in, fact we were
• 1:38:52
  Speaker 2: Watching halloween movies and my wife likes, like you, Know
• 1:38:59
  Speaker 2: freddie And jason And Michael myers and stuff like, that
• 1:39:02
  Speaker 2: and then she likes some really really scary. Stuff i'm,
• 1:39:03
  Speaker 2: Like i'm not Watching smile or Or. Terrifier but we
• 1:39:08
  Speaker 2: were talking about like Scary japanese. Movies, Uh AND i said.
• 1:39:13
  Speaker 2: WHY i, said, well what do you think Scary american
• 1:39:16
  Speaker 2: movies Or japanese? Movies and she, said, Well japanese movies
• 1:39:20
  Speaker 2: aren't you, know they're usually really. Scary but she's, Like
• 1:39:24
  Speaker 2: american movies don't scare me so much BECAUSE i know
• 1:39:26
  Speaker 2: it's not. Real but what our movies. Are she's like to,
• 1:39:30
  Speaker 2: me like this stuff is real because most you, Know
• 1:39:32
  Speaker 2: japanese scary movies are like spirits and ghosts and you,
• 1:39:36
  Speaker 2: know stuff like. That so like over, here it's a
• 1:39:39
  Speaker 2: it's a it's a part of life every day as
• 1:39:41
  Speaker 2: opposed to one time of the. Year it's not a
• 1:39:44
  Speaker 2: good thing or a bad. Thing it's just a perspective
• 1:39:46
  Speaker 2: on how, people you, know view these types of.
• 1:39:48
  Speaker 1: THINGS i didn't know you didn't like horror, movies.
• 1:39:51
  Speaker 3: Bro, Now i'm not a big fan of horror. MOVIES i.
• 1:39:53
  Speaker 2: DON'T i don't, WELL i don't, like you, Know terrifyer And,
• 1:39:56
  Speaker 2: smile those types of.
• 1:39:58
  Speaker 3: Movies it's it's it's.
• 1:39:59
  Speaker 2: Too much for. Me i'd rather watch like a. Documentary
• 1:40:02
  Speaker 2: i'm not a big horror movie.
• 1:40:03
  Speaker 1: Person me, too me, TOO i would RATHER i, mean
• 1:40:07
  Speaker 1: BUT i like a lot of. HORROR i don't really
• 1:40:09
  Speaker 1: like gory body horror Like. Terrifier those types of movies
• 1:40:15
  Speaker 1: don't interest me at. ALL i don't like the gore.
• 1:40:18
  Speaker 1: Horror but a good thriller Like smile isn't that. BAD
• 1:40:25
  Speaker 1: i think that you might Like. Smile Smile too was
• 1:40:29
  Speaker 1: really good if they wouldn't have just ruined it at
• 1:40:33
  Speaker 1: the end with all the exposition that they, gave sort
• 1:40:37
  Speaker 1: of Like Long, legs like they just explained the entire
• 1:40:40
  Speaker 1: movie in the last ten minutes of the.
• 1:40:42
  Speaker 3: MOVIE i did Like Long, legs but.
• 1:40:46
  Speaker 1: That was that movie was ruined because it was they
• 1:40:50
  Speaker 1: instead of letting the audience put everything. Together they could
• 1:40:54
  Speaker 1: have added one extra scene in there and you'd have
• 1:40:57
  Speaker 1: been able to figure it out by the. End but
• 1:40:59
  Speaker 1: instead they had her her mom blow the hat out
• 1:41:02
  Speaker 1: of the back of the, doll and then her mom's
• 1:41:04
  Speaker 1: laying down on the bed and explaining everything to her
• 1:41:06
  Speaker 1: in a dream like the audience is.
• 1:41:08
  Speaker 2: Stupid you KNOW i heard did you see that video
• 1:41:13
  Speaker 2: of That BRITISH i think she's A british actress talking
• 1:41:15
  Speaker 2: about that recently about why they are doing that in.
• 1:41:18
  Speaker 3: Movies, now did you see?
• 1:41:19
  Speaker 1: That, no please tell me BECAUSE i would really like to.
• 1:41:22
  Speaker 2: Know, Yeah i've got to send that to. You hold
• 1:41:24
  Speaker 2: on a, SECOND i. CAN i think it's on my ex. Page,
• 1:41:27
  Speaker 2: yeah this, WOMAN i Don't maybe she's super, famous maybe she's.
• 1:41:31
  Speaker 2: NOT i don't know that she was talking about as
• 1:41:34
  Speaker 2: an actress why these movies are doing exactly what you just.
• 1:41:37
  Speaker 2: Said i'm scrolling through it right.
• 1:41:40
  Speaker 1: Now it probably has something to do with people's attention
• 1:41:46
  Speaker 1: spans not wanting to sit down and actually watch the.
• 1:41:50
  Speaker 1: Movie they can't be immersed in the movie because film
• 1:41:54
  Speaker 1: directors and not immersive.
• 1:41:56
  Speaker 2: Enough, OH i don't see. It, YEAH i don't THINK
• 1:42:01
  Speaker 2: i saved it on my. Page damn. It i'm going
• 1:42:02
  Speaker 2: to have to go and see IF i can find,
• 1:42:04
  Speaker 2: it this. Centilator but basically that's exactly what it. Was
• 1:42:07
  Speaker 2: there's a name for it, too AND i think they
• 1:42:09
  Speaker 2: call it second screen. Syndrome they're saying that a lot
• 1:42:13
  Speaker 2: of movies AND tv shows are having to do that
• 1:42:14
  Speaker 2: because they know that people watching these streaming, services especially
• 1:42:19
  Speaker 2: like A, netflix they know that people are on their
• 1:42:21
  Speaker 2: phone while they're watching, it so they have to simplify
• 1:42:25
  Speaker 2: it so while you're on your phone and watching, it
• 1:42:29
  Speaker 2: you get that you know the full description at the
• 1:42:31
  Speaker 2: end of like exactly what happened and this is what this.
• 1:42:35
  Speaker 2: Means and, yes that's like a thing that companies are
• 1:42:38
  Speaker 2: doing now because people are on their phones while they're
• 1:42:40
  Speaker 2: watching the.
• 1:42:42
  Speaker 1: MOVIE i mean that makes, sense but it's, like, well
• 1:42:46
  Speaker 1: why would anyone be putting on a movie if you
• 1:42:48
  Speaker 1: don't intend to watch the? Movie Like I'm i'm not
• 1:42:52
  Speaker 1: going to put on a movie or A tv show
• 1:42:54
  Speaker 1: unless it's THAT i intend to actually watch. It, now
• 1:42:59
  Speaker 1: IF i am putting on something THEN i don't intend to,
• 1:43:04
  Speaker 1: watch then it's just background. Noise it's not gonna be
• 1:43:07
  Speaker 1: something THAT i care. About that's. Deep i'm not gonna
• 1:43:10
  Speaker 1: put on a documentary THAT i want to watch just
• 1:43:13
  Speaker 1: for background. Noise i'm not gonna put on a show
• 1:43:15
  Speaker 1: or a movie THAT i want to watch just for background.
• 1:43:18
  Speaker 1: Noise If i'm putting it, On i'm putting it on
• 1:43:20
  Speaker 1: Because i'm gonna watch.
• 1:43:21
  Speaker 3: It, well, yeah that would be the logical way to assess.
• 1:43:26
  Speaker 3: It that's the that's the.
• 1:43:27
  Speaker 2: Idea but attention spans HAVE i don't know it's attention.
• 1:43:32
  Speaker 2: Spans it's just more like attention has, been you, know
• 1:43:36
  Speaker 2: diverted to other, things which is probably why probably why
• 1:43:42
  Speaker 2: you EVER i probably referenced this to you. Before you've
• 1:43:45
  Speaker 2: you've Seen The Great outdoors right with Dan aykroyd And John?
• 1:43:48
  Speaker 2: Candy is It John?
• 1:43:49
  Speaker 1: CANDY i have not seen that.
• 1:43:51
  Speaker 2: Movie, Now oh my, God, okay you YOU i don't
• 1:43:54
  Speaker 2: know if you like Dan. Aykroyd but it's a really
• 1:43:56
  Speaker 2: good movie and it's an older. Movie there's just there's
• 1:43:59
  Speaker 2: JUST i CAN'T i guess explain it to you've never seen.
• 1:44:02
  Speaker 2: It but there's a scene where Dan ackroyd's characters like
• 1:44:05
  Speaker 2: this big business, man he's very serious very. Smart John
• 1:44:08
  Speaker 2: canny's more like a family, man kind of laid, back you,
• 1:44:11
  Speaker 2: know kind of maybe maybe lazy in a.
• 1:44:13
  Speaker 3: Way and you, know as.
• 1:44:15
  Speaker 2: The business, guy Dan aykroyd looks out over the place
• 1:44:18
  Speaker 2: where they're camping out in this cabin and he sees
• 1:44:21
  Speaker 2: all the trees and the lake and he talks about
• 1:44:24
  Speaker 2: how they could you, know they could have like logging,
• 1:44:27
  Speaker 2: industry and they could have toxic waste stored in the,
• 1:44:29
  Speaker 2: lake and he sees just all these different things they
• 1:44:31
  Speaker 2: can do with. Business and Then John canny looks out
• 1:44:34
  Speaker 2: and he's, LIKE i just see, Trees AND i think
• 1:44:37
  Speaker 2: that's kind of a that's what's happening when you describe
• 1:44:39
  Speaker 2: like the metaphors and the symbolism and all, that and
• 1:44:42
  Speaker 2: people are, like, WELL i just See, JESUS.
• 1:44:45
  Speaker 1: I just see The. BIBLE i just read The bible
• 1:44:47
  Speaker 1: AND i take it all.
• 1:44:48
  Speaker 3: Literally, well it's.
• 1:44:49
  Speaker 2: Like it's true there are trees, there but you could
• 1:44:51
  Speaker 2: also do things with those. Trees that's kind of what's.
• 1:44:55
  Speaker 2: Happening i'll have to send you that clip that ONE
• 1:44:57
  Speaker 2: i can.
• 1:44:57
  Speaker 1: Find that's a really good. Analogy But, ryan thanks so
• 1:45:01
  Speaker 1: much for coming, on. BROTHER i really appreciate it because
• 1:45:03
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• 1:45:05
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• 1:46:58
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