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10-2 H2: 12th Man News w/ Gregg Bell, Huskies vs USC, FoF & The Future · Chuck in the Morning

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Speaker 1: As part of our continuing NFL coverage for the 12th man,
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Speaker 1: this is 12th Man News. Part of Chuck's daily visit
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Speaker 2: Good morning.
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Speaker 3: To be honest, you missed us a little bit yesterday.
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Speaker 3: We crossed your minds.
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Speaker 2: No? No. Yeah, I guess so. The round table is
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Speaker 2: kind of busy, but yeah. Yeah, yeah.
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Speaker 4: You put word in his mouth.
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Speaker 3: I know. I think I did. Well, we were thinking
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Speaker 3: of you.
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Speaker 4: Yes, we were.
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Speaker 3: We were thinking of you. All right, good to have
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Speaker 3: you with us here this morning.
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Speaker 5: All right, let's dive in. Julian Love, I mean, Hugh
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Speaker 5: Millen has stated it. Had he played against the Commanders,
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Speaker 5: we would have won that football game. So is he
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Speaker 5: going to be healthy enough to play against the Chargers?
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Speaker 2: Looks like it, sounds like it. Hearing from him, he
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Speaker 2: says he's good. He's just got to make sure he
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Speaker 2: stays good these next two days. He's practiced the last
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Speaker 2: two days. He has a press conference during the week.
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Speaker 2: Usually they don't trot up players in weekly press conferences
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Speaker 2: that aren't going to play or that have injuries concerned.
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Speaker 2: So all signs are that he is going to play.
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Speaker 2: That can only help them, for sure.
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Speaker 3: Can we replay the Commander's game then, now that he's healthy?
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Speaker 3: Can we do that again?
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Speaker 1: No.
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Speaker 2: Because Julian Love wouldn't have turned the ball over three times.
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Speaker 2: They handed the Commanders three drive starts deep in Seahawks territory.
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Speaker 2: 21 points for the Commanders because of those three turnovers
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Speaker 2: that Julian Love couldn't have affected. But he no doubt
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Speaker 2: would have helped the defense and keep them from giving
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Speaker 2: up 12 other points beyond the 21 the offense handed them.
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Speaker 2: That coupled with Nick Eamon-Warry, I think getting more of
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Speaker 2: the Nick Eamon-Warry 2025 role is going to change the defense.
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Speaker 2: Those two are somewhat related because a lot of what
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Speaker 2: Neiman Worre did in Washington, he only played half the snaps,
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Speaker 2: but was in coverage. And if another good, not good,
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Speaker 2: elite and savvy cover guy who knows how to read
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Speaker 2: coverages and knows how to read routes and knows what
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Speaker 2: offense are trying to do, Julian Love, that could only
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Speaker 2: help to free up Neiman Worre to do other things
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Speaker 2: and drop into coverage like he did. much of the
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Speaker 2: time in washington we.
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Speaker 5: All want to see that the better people listening i'm
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Speaker 5: speaking on after the people listening uh... we they want
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Speaker 5: to see nikki manuori play the nikki manuori role uh...
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Speaker 5: is he ready for it uh... is he healthy enough
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Speaker 5: for it is I mean, he played sparingly this week,
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Speaker 5: but he didn't stand out like he normally stands out.
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Speaker 5: He didn't look 100% on the football field. Is he
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Speaker 5: healthy enough to fulfill that role? Is he practiced enough
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Speaker 5: to have his timing right for that role?
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Speaker 2: Well, he's fully participating in practice. I don't watch practices anymore.
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Speaker 2: I can't tell you what he looks like. They don't
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Speaker 2: let us. But he's listed as a full participant, which
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Speaker 2: he was not last week. for most of the week.
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Speaker 2: So it would suggest that he says he is, he
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Speaker 2: said he wants his full role and they have obviously
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Speaker 2: erred on the conservative side of his return. And now
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Speaker 2: we're three weeks into the season. And it sounds like
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Speaker 2: from judging what McDonald's words were at the beginning of
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Speaker 2: the week to the coaches. Now it's on them. And
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Speaker 2: he's the main McDonald's, the main coach called the defense.
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Speaker 2: It's on them to give him more roles. And so it's,
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Speaker 2: It looks like they're going to test him more toward that.
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Speaker 2: And I'd expect him to play at least three-fourths of
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Speaker 2: the snaps instead of half, if not more. And I
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Speaker 2: expect him to blitz. And I expect him to be
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Speaker 2: a linebacker and dime that they haven't played much of
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Speaker 2: this season. I do think the defense is going to change.
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Speaker 2: The Chargers are going to get stuff Sunday. They haven't
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Speaker 2: seen on film yet. But they're not so naive to
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Speaker 2: not know that Eamon Ward is coming in the 2025 version. Yeah,
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Speaker 2: how do you even.
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Speaker 5: If you're a Chargers fan, you look like your quarterback
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Speaker 5: and your offensive coordinator aren't on the same page. And
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Speaker 5: now you're getting ready to face basically the league's greatest
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Speaker 5: agent for creating confusion that there is defensively in Mike McDonald. So,
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Speaker 5: I mean, it just doesn't seem like a matchup for
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Speaker 5: the Chargers that they can get fixed this Sunday. It
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Speaker 5: seems to me like Mike McDonald's just licking his chops
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Speaker 5: over facing a pre-confused quarterback with the goal of confusing
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Speaker 5: him further.
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Speaker 2: Well, it hasn't meshed well. Mike McDaniel, there's a lot
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Speaker 2: of motion and orbit motions and all this crazy stuff
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Speaker 2: right before the snap. And then the snap happens and
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Speaker 2: you have to play and all that window dressing eventually
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Speaker 2: comes down to having to execute the plays. Talking to
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Speaker 2: Chargers people this week, they say that there have been
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Speaker 2: guys open early in plays, quick passes that Justin Herbert
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Speaker 2: has not thrown to. And he's held onto the ball
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Speaker 2: a long time. He's been sacked eight times in three games.
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Speaker 2: So is this the week that Herbert throws the ball quickly?
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Speaker 2: This would seem to be the defense that you'd want
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Speaker 2: the ball out quickly. That's what teams that play the
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Speaker 2: Seahawks habitually do. And you hear the Seahawks defensive players
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Speaker 2: frustratingly talk about it all the time. And it's tough
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Speaker 2: to give a quarterback when they get the ball out
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Speaker 2: so quickly. Mariota did it in Washington last week. And,
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Speaker 2: That was the number one part of the game plan
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Speaker 2: for Washington. When they threw, it was going to be quick,
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Speaker 2: and Drake May was a lot of the same way
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Speaker 2: until the end of the game when they had to throw,
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Speaker 2: and the Seahawks teed off on them. I would expect
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Speaker 2: Justin Herbert and the Chargers game plan to be quick throws,
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Speaker 2: and maybe this will be the week the Chargers actually
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Speaker 2: do what McDaniel wants to do, because when he was
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Speaker 2: at Miami, it was the same thing. Of course, he
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Speaker 2: had Tyreek in his prime, Tyreek Hill, and he featured
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Speaker 2: him short and gave him the ball quickly so he
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Speaker 2: could run an open space, they don't have a Tyree kill.
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Speaker 2: And part of the Chargers' problem is they don't have
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Speaker 2: a game-breaking receiver. They have Ladd McConkie, who's their guy.
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Speaker 2: He had a crack rib in week one. Crack rib,
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Speaker 2: you barely can breathe when you have a crack rib.
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Speaker 2: What a little bone to go play football. So the
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Speaker 2: one guy they have had as a receiving threat has
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Speaker 2: been hurt. Williams, a rookie, dropping passes. It's not just
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Speaker 2: Justin Herbert's fault that they're 0-3, but I would expect
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Speaker 2: the Chargers to change and do a really more like
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Speaker 2: a Washington type of a game plan and get the
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Speaker 2: ball out quickly and try to negate what McDonald's doing pressure-wise.
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Speaker 5: Greg Bell is with us, our Seahawks insider. You can
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Speaker 5: follow his coverage of the Seahawks at thenewstribune.com and, of course,
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Speaker 5: follow him on.
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Speaker 3: X at gbell.com. Seattle.
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Speaker 5: All right, let's talk about the running game and start
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Speaker 5: the conversation at right guard. Are they going to settle
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Speaker 5: on one guy there at right guard to replace Anthony
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Speaker 5: Bradford or what's that going to look like?
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Speaker 3: And then go to the.
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Speaker 5: Running back group and just how far out of the
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Speaker 5: doghouse Jadarian Price is right now.
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Speaker 2: Well, it sounds like they are going to use both
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Speaker 2: Haynes and Stevens again. Brad Fleury yesterday saying that They
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Speaker 2: see a lot of value in Stevens getting reps now
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Speaker 2: so that if they have to play him an extended
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Speaker 2: period of time down the road, it won't be his
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Speaker 2: first work. Fleury did say that they'd be perfectly happy
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Speaker 2: with Haynes playing an entire game and starting for Anthony
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Speaker 2: Bradford the next couple games. Bradford's still on the injury
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Speaker 2: reserve list, so he's got to miss a couple more games.
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Speaker 2: So it sounds like status quo there. McDonald said maybe
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Speaker 2: it won't work out to a 60-40 split, which is
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Speaker 2: what it was in Washington. Haynes started and got 60%
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Speaker 2: on his darn near half of his reps for the
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Speaker 2: rookie Stevens. You may see fewer reps for Stevens this
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Speaker 2: time if you read between the lines. As far as
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Speaker 2: the running backs, Jedarian Price did not practice yesterday. That's
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Speaker 2: a step back. He was a limited participant with that
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Speaker 2: chest-shoulder issue he had in Arizona, and then yesterday did
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Speaker 2: not practice. Guys usually don't go backwards and go from
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Speaker 2: practicing to not practicing on Thursday and then still playing
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Speaker 2: in the game. So that could mean Velas Jones up
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Speaker 2: from the practice squad, who was active for last week's game,
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Speaker 2: getting more of a role. We saw Emmanuel Wilson just
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Speaker 2: not being able to outrun defenders at Washington. He would
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Speaker 2: get more of a role. Zach Charbonnet returned to practice yesterday.
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Speaker 2: That was the news of the practice day. That begins
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Speaker 2: his 21-day window off the physically unable-to-perform list. He's not
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Speaker 2: eligible to play until after the fourth game. I think
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Speaker 2: it'd be a surprise that he plays week five against
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Speaker 2: San Francisco next week, being that he hasn't been on
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Speaker 2: a field since January. But now there's a three-week ramp
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Speaker 2: up starting. So the cavalry is on the horizon. Hope
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Speaker 2: is on the way. But in the meantime, Price won't
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Speaker 2: get out of the doghouse until he plays a whole
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Speaker 2: game without dropping the ball. And he's got to get
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Speaker 2: the ball to not drop the ball. So if his health...
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Speaker 2: hasn't played, I'm expecting him to get a lot of
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Speaker 2: the ball early in the game because it's only October
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Speaker 2: 1st and they don't need to be checked out of
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Speaker 2: their lead rookie running back already after three games.
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Speaker 5: Seems like they might ask Zach Charbonnet could come in
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Speaker 5: pretty handy against the 49ers.
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Speaker 3: Would they speed up the process?
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Speaker 5: Would they send him out there even if they don't
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Speaker 5: feel 100% healthy? If they were 98, would they send
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Speaker 5: him out there?
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Speaker 2: I wouldn't. I wouldn't send a guy who's seven and
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Speaker 2: a half months out from a reconstructive knee surgery out
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Speaker 2: there before he's a fully 100%. You don't need Zach
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Speaker 2: Charbonnet October 5th, 11th. You need him January and, they hope, February.
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Speaker 2: It's a contract year for him, so there's a rub there.
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Speaker 2: He wants to get out there. there. Every week he
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Speaker 2: misses one fewer week to make dollars for either the
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Speaker 2: Seahawks or somebody next year when his rookie contract ends. Remember,
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Speaker 2: he's a second-round pick, so they don't have a 50-year option.
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Speaker 2: They didn't have a 50-year option. They would have had
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Speaker 2: to exercise in the spring anyway. But he doesn't have
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Speaker 2: a job after this year. And at that position in particular,
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Speaker 2: that's a problem. Part of Kenneth Walker's angst last year
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Speaker 2: of having a split time with Zach Charbonnet was every
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Speaker 2: snap and every carry he didn't get was money off
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Speaker 2: of his bank account because his contract was ending. And
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Speaker 2: Zach Charbonnet is feeling the same pressure. He's probably been
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Speaker 2: too preoccupied with getting healthy and getting back, but he's
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Speaker 2: now looking, oh, it's October. I've got four months left
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Speaker 2: in my contract. This ain't baseball or NFL or NBA
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Speaker 2: or hockey where those guys are guaranteed to get paid
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Speaker 2: next year no matter what they do. nah, you're guaranteed
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Speaker 2: in the NFL pretty much the year you're in. And
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Speaker 2: if you're in a rookie deal, you've got four years,
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Speaker 2: and his rookie deal ends this year. It's a whole
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Speaker 2: different dynamic than just saying, well, I can see the push-pull.
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Speaker 2: I can see the Seahawks, who are historically and habitually
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Speaker 2: conservative on medical things, and I can see Zach Sarban saying,
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Speaker 2: get me out there. I need to go start playing
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Speaker 2: and proving my worth.
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Speaker 5: All right, so what does this Sunday come down to?
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Speaker 5: What kind of game are we looking at? What kind
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Speaker 5: of result are we going to see?
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Speaker 2: Well, again, it's repeating itself, but if the offense doesn't
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Speaker 2: turn the ball over, I don't see a lot of
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Speaker 2: offenses moving the ball down the field on the Seahawks'
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Speaker 2: defense for multiple touchdowns, including the Chargers. That's the key.
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Speaker 2: Don't give the Chargers field position and points. They gave
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Speaker 2: the Commanders field position and points, 21 points, in fact,
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Speaker 2: and they lost by two. If the offense, Darnold, doesn't
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Speaker 2: throw interceptions, doesn't throw the ball for defensive lineman's helmet,
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Speaker 2: and price doesn't drop the ball or wilson doesn't drop
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Speaker 2: the ball and place a price no win and it's
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Speaker 2: a simplistic thing to say but the way the seahawks
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Speaker 2: defense is i could think i pretty much every game
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Speaker 2: except the 49ers and the rams on the seahawks schedule
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Speaker 2: i think i could say that same thing for it.
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Speaker 5: I don't know how much you're around uh coach mcdonald
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Speaker 5: this week but um I mean, is he veteran enough
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Speaker 5: that he just took that uncharacteristic performance in stride?
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Speaker 3: Or was there an edge to him this week? Was
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Speaker 3: there an anger to him this week?
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Speaker 5: Was he embarrassed at all that his normally stout defense
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Speaker 5: gave up touchdowns instead of field goals and everything else
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Speaker 5: that went into that contest?
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Speaker 2: No, he's ticked. He kind of played it off. He's
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Speaker 2: pissed off. Good. And he's pissed off about multiple things.
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Speaker 2: The main thing he keeps saying is we're not playing
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Speaker 2: the Seahawks way. This doesn't look like a Seahawks play.
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Speaker 2: It didn't look like a Seahawks performance. It didn't look
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Speaker 2: like a Seahawks game. He's been around enough for three...
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Speaker 2: He didn't say that first two years. He's been around
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Speaker 2: enough now to have established a standard. And they reached
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Speaker 2: or got to the standard last year to win the
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Speaker 2: Super Bowl, so everyone, including himself, knows what that is.
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Speaker 2: Including on kick returns and kick coverage on special teams.
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Speaker 2: That includes on defense, like you said, sudden change. Yeah,
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Speaker 2: it's not enough that the Commander's got the ball at
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Speaker 2: the 21-yard line. Now what? Don't let him in the
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Speaker 2: end zone, and they did. So, yeah, he probably wasn't
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Speaker 2: turning over tables and throwing coffee mugs around the building,
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Speaker 2: but he's not been happy this week for sure. All right.
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Speaker 3: Well, what do you got on the show today?
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Speaker 2: We're going to do our weekly high school football focus.
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Speaker 2: Today's featured game when we're going to talk to both
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Speaker 2: coaches is Eastlake at Skyline. Eastlake and Skyline High School
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Speaker 2: have two former prominent local college players, Greg Hurd at
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Speaker 2: Eastern Washington and Peyton Pelour from Washington State. Those are
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Speaker 2: the head coaches for Eastlake. And Skyline, their schools are
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Speaker 2: like 200 feet apart over there on the plateau. I
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Speaker 2: can't ever figure out why some kid goes to this
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Speaker 2: school and some kid goes to the other because they're
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Speaker 2: right next to each other with Eastside Catholic right in
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Speaker 2: the middle of the three of them. But, yeah, they
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Speaker 2: play tonight. We do every week, every Friday we do that.
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Speaker 2: We're going to detail the latest on the Seahawks injury
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Speaker 2: situation and figure that out. We're going to give Kraken
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Speaker 2: some love. You win 6-1 in your opener.
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Speaker 4: Let's go.
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Speaker 2: You get a segment. Yeah.
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Speaker 3: You get a segment.
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Speaker 2: Yeah.
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Speaker 3: Congratulations. You get a segment.
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Speaker 2: I'm sure they're really inspired for that. All right.
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Speaker 3: Well, thank you very much, sir. We appreciate it.
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Speaker 5: We'll check in with you on Monday and appreciate everything
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Speaker 5: this week.
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Speaker 2: All right, happy weekend. Thank you.
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Speaker 3: Greg Bell, our Seahawks.
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Speaker 5: let's talk some UW football, you know, that Hugh Mellon
25:09
Speaker 5: used to play for that UW football team.
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Speaker 3: Oh, that's right. I mean, there are must-wins, Anders.
25:15
Speaker 5: I mean, I think people go too far with that,
25:18
Speaker 5: especially early in the season.
25:20
Speaker 2: Right.
25:21
Speaker 3: But It's when do you use it?
25:23
Speaker 5: Because if you wait to say a must-win when it
25:27
Speaker 5: statistically is a must-win, there's.
25:29
Speaker 3: No impact behind that.
25:31
Speaker 5: Everybody knows, okay, there are three games left and we're
25:34
Speaker 5: three games back, so obviously that's a must-win. But there is,
25:39
Speaker 5: at some point in the season, there is a game
25:43
Speaker 5: that isn't mathematically a must-win, but let's face it, it's
25:47
Speaker 5: a must-win.
25:48
Speaker 3: It's going to define your season most likely.
25:53
Speaker 5: And so that's why the must-win has to be used
25:58
Speaker 5: at the right time. And I think people use it prematurely.
26:03
Speaker 5: I not only think this is a must-win for both
26:07
Speaker 5: of these teams to save their seasons, I might.
26:11
Speaker 3: Take it a step further.
26:12
Speaker 4: What's a step further than that?
26:14
Speaker 3: This might be a.
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Speaker 5: Must-win for Lincoln, Riley, and Jed Fish to save the
26:19
Speaker 5: status of their programs.
26:22
Speaker 3: I mean, think about it.
26:24
Speaker 5: Like Lincoln Riley already has a fan base that hates
26:28
Speaker 5: him and wants him out. Like if he not only
26:32
Speaker 5: loses to Oregon, but then at home loses to Washington
26:36
Speaker 5: where he's an eight and a half point favorite, the
26:39
Speaker 5: wheels could completely come off of that bus. I mean,
26:41
Speaker 5: there have been stories about his relationship with Jen Cohen
26:44
Speaker 5: has gone sideways. And even though they would have to
26:47
Speaker 5: eat like $ 70 million, uh, That they might be willing
26:51
Speaker 5: to do it because the fan base is just that...
26:56
Speaker 5: Disgusted with him?
26:58
Speaker 3: Maybe that is the word. I was trying to think
26:59
Speaker 3: of the right word. That's not what I was going
27:01
Speaker 3: to go with, but maybe that is the right word. Disenchanted,
27:05
Speaker 3: disenfranchised with him.
27:07
Speaker 11: Yeah.
27:08
Speaker 5: People don't want to go to the games. I mean,
27:10
Speaker 5: there's some weather. They've had some hot weather there and
27:12
Speaker 5: things of that nature.
27:13
Speaker 3: Yeah.
27:14
Speaker 4: It's Southern California.
27:15
Speaker 2: Right.
27:16
Speaker 3: But, you know, they're not filling up the stadium.
27:19
Speaker 5: And so it's just the product right now, the program,
27:23
Speaker 5: the brand, the logo is just in the toilet right
27:27
Speaker 5: now by its own standards.
27:28
Speaker 3: Yeah, of course.
27:29
Speaker 5: By its very high lofty standards. I don't think it
27:32
Speaker 5: goes that far.
27:33
Speaker 3: With Jed and the Huskies right now.
27:39
Speaker 5: I don't think that the fan base has the same
27:41
Speaker 5: ire for him here in town, anywhere close to what
27:45
Speaker 5: they have in USC for.
27:46
Speaker 3: Lincoln Riley right now.
27:48
Speaker 5: But I would say for a year, just like the
27:51
Speaker 5: Mariners where there was promise and the goal was college
27:56
Speaker 5: football playoff. And there was thought that maybe things break
28:00
Speaker 5: the right way. And then you have three, you know,
28:05
Speaker 5: lackluster wins. And then, You lose to Minnesota at home.
28:11
Speaker 5: I mean, this could get you right. This could get
28:15
Speaker 5: you back on track with a win at USC. But
28:19
Speaker 5: if you lose it, and if you lose it ugly,
28:21
Speaker 5: I mean, the fan base, it's not, I don't think,
28:26
Speaker 5: angry with Jed.
28:27
Speaker 2: Right.
28:27
Speaker 5: But I think they're very much questioning the direction of
28:30
Speaker 5: this program and its status right now. And an ugly
28:35
Speaker 5: loss on Saturday, if USC wins and covers this game
28:38
Speaker 5: on Saturday, I don't know what that is going to
28:41
Speaker 5: do to the fan base.
28:42
Speaker 18: Yeah, I think for UW's perspective, this would be a
28:45
Speaker 18: bigger loss. Sorry, a bigger win than a bigger loss.
28:48
Speaker 18: If they were to win this game, I feel like
28:50
Speaker 18: it would have a higher impact positively than a loss
28:53
Speaker 18: would negatively. Obviously, there's different situations. If you get absolutely
28:57
Speaker 18: blown out, that's a different story. But I feel like
29:01
Speaker 18: a win versus a ranked team in USC, no matter
29:05
Speaker 18: what happened with them last week at Oregon, on the
29:08
Speaker 18: road to kind of get things right and really kind
29:11
Speaker 18: of get people thinking positively about this program again would
29:14
Speaker 18: do a whole lot of good. Yet a loss would
29:18
Speaker 18: kind of just kind of keep people thinking the same
29:20
Speaker 18: thing as this team's just not as good as we
29:22
Speaker 18: thought they were going to be this year.
29:23
Speaker 3: Yeah, I don't think that, to use your word there,
29:26
Speaker 3: that Husky fans are disgusted.
29:28
Speaker 1: No.
29:29
Speaker 5: With Jed Fish and his program right now, but they're
29:32
Speaker 5: on the verge of being very angry about it.
29:36
Speaker 3: Frustrated.
29:36
Speaker 5: Very angry about it. yeah and some are i know
29:38
Speaker 5: are already there some people are yelling at their radios
29:41
Speaker 5: oh i'm way there i'm there uh but i think
29:44
Speaker 5: that where us is already inflamed in anger their fan
29:47
Speaker 5: base i don't feel that yet but i think that
29:51
Speaker 5: a bad loss against usc these next two weeks are
29:54
Speaker 5: going to be telling yeah yeah very telling all right
29:58
Speaker 5: let's play some factor fiction But they.
30:01
Speaker 3: Did it in like 1998.
30:01
Speaker 4: So two years later.
30:03
Speaker 5: It was like two years from now that they were predicting.
30:07
Speaker 5: So I don't know. Maybe we can create some sort
30:09
Speaker 5: of a.
30:10
Speaker 3: Bit like that going forward. I like that. In the
30:14
Speaker 3: year 3000. That's a bit of ways.
30:17
Speaker 5: But anyway, a few things as we look into the future.
30:22
Speaker 5: I don't know if you saw the story. You probably did.
30:23
Speaker 5: But Gary Bettman finally spoke on the– no trade clauses
30:28
Speaker 5: and the way that NHL players are using them right now.
30:32
Speaker 5: And the Kraken suffered from this because Jason Robertson said, no,
30:36
Speaker 5: I don't want to go there.
30:37
Speaker 4: Artemi Panarin as well.
30:38
Speaker 3: Yeah, I'm going to wait.
30:40
Speaker 5: And so Bettman, this was his first public announcement of, no,
30:44
Speaker 5: I don't like the way that they're using those no
30:46
Speaker 5: trade clause and we're going to have to look at that.
30:49
Speaker 5: So help me with this a little bit. I mean,
30:52
Speaker 5: I don't think we have to look into the future
30:54
Speaker 5: and figure out, I don't, how to word no trade
30:59
Speaker 5: clauses going forward. Can't you just say... Can't NHL teams
31:05
Speaker 5: just stop giving out no-trade clauses? Just don't put the
31:09
Speaker 5: clause in the contract. If you don't like that the
31:13
Speaker 5: players are using them to try to get to the
31:17
Speaker 5: specific franchise that they want to go, then don't give
31:21
Speaker 5: them no-trade clauses. Isn't it just that easy? Or do
31:24
Speaker 5: you automatically now in the NHL get a no-trade clause?
31:27
Speaker 18: No, it's not automatic, but I think because it's so standard...
31:32
Speaker 18: Players that are negotiating for new extensions, free agent signings,
31:35
Speaker 18: all that stuff, basically just expect that to be in there.
31:38
Speaker 18: And if it's not, they'll go to the next team
31:40
Speaker 18: that will give it to them at that point. It's
31:41
Speaker 18: that valuable to them. But wait a minute.
31:44
Speaker 5: Jason Robertson doesn't have a choice. He wasn't a free agent.
31:47
Speaker 5: They gave him a no trade clause.
31:49
Speaker 4: He was a restricted free agent.
31:51
Speaker 18: So I think the I don't know the exact rules
31:56
Speaker 18: on why that ends up. being the case, but his wasn't,
32:00
Speaker 18: I don't think, a no-trade clause. It was because he
32:03
Speaker 18: wasn't an unrestricted free agent. He was a restricted free agent.
32:06
Speaker 18: It's the Kraken offer a certain amount of money, and
32:11
Speaker 18: Dallas has the right to match it, but Jason Robertson
32:13
Speaker 18: has to accept that offer.
32:15
Speaker 5: No, I understand restricted free agency, but how did he
32:17
Speaker 5: ever get a no-trade clause to begin with if he
32:20
Speaker 5: wasn't a free agent?
32:21
Speaker 4: I don't think he had enough. He just didn't accept
32:23
Speaker 4: the offer from the Kraken.
32:24
Speaker 18: He didn't want to go there. It wasn't a Dallas
32:27
Speaker 18: was trying to trade him. It was the Kraken offered
32:30
Speaker 18: him what would have been an RFA.
32:34
Speaker 5: It hinged on whether the Kraken were going to give.
32:37
Speaker 5: The Kraken said, no, we won't trade for him without
32:40
Speaker 5: an extension.
32:42
Speaker 18: No, Jason Robertson said no. He didn't accept.
32:46
Speaker 3: How did he get the rights to do that?
32:48
Speaker 18: That's, I think, how a restricted free agency works. You
32:51
Speaker 18: can accept the offer that someone gives to you, Or
32:55
Speaker 18: you can decline it and stay with the team that
32:58
Speaker 18: you're on and hope that they offer you another deal.
33:02
Speaker 3: But then why wasn't it a trade?
33:05
Speaker 4: No, it was a restricted free agent signing.
33:08
Speaker 5: So then how does a no trade clause come into
33:10
Speaker 5: the conversation then? Then why is that– why is Gary
33:14
Speaker 5: Bettman bothered by no trade clauses?
33:16
Speaker 18: Because that's also another topic. So the Artemi Panarin would
33:19
Speaker 18: be a more relevant example to this. At the deadline
33:22
Speaker 18: last year, Artemi.
33:23
Speaker 3: Panarin– Robertson? Yes, I did bring up Robertson.
33:29
Speaker 4: Everyone did, yeah. It's a big topic in the offseason, yes.
33:32
Speaker 5: Right, so still, it doesn't change the point.
33:34
Speaker 2: Right.
33:35
Speaker 5: Why are you giving people no trade clauses? Okay, if
33:38
Speaker 5: he's a restricted free agent, those are completely different rules.
33:40
Speaker 3: Correct, yes.
33:41
Speaker 5: What Gary Bettman is saying is that I am going
33:43
Speaker 5: to stop. I'm going to look into the way players
33:47
Speaker 5: are using no trade clauses. Well, I don't think you
33:50
Speaker 5: have to change any of the verbiage. And NHL teams
33:54
Speaker 5: just need to stop including no trade clauses in their contracts.
33:57
Speaker 7: Right.
33:57
Speaker 3: I mean, just do that and then you don't have
33:59
Speaker 3: to worry about it anymore.
34:01
Speaker 18: Yeah, I think that that should be the way to
34:04
Speaker 18: go forward. But like I said, because it's such a
34:06
Speaker 18: standard now, if you don't offer a no trade clause
34:08
Speaker 18: in a contract, the player, whether it's an extension or
34:12
Speaker 18: a free agent signing, just won't sign with you. Like
34:14
Speaker 18: he'll move on and you risk losing the player altogether.
34:19
Speaker 18: So that is kind of the more... The bigger topic
34:23
Speaker 18: with both the Artemi Panarin situation and the Jason Robertson
34:27
Speaker 18: situation is that when players have a choice, more often
34:31
Speaker 18: than not, they are choosing not to come to Seattle.
34:34
Speaker 18: Whether it is because they have a no-trade clause, and
34:37
Speaker 18: the Kraken tried to trade for Artemi Panarin in New York,
34:40
Speaker 18: but he exercised his no-move clause because he wanted to
34:44
Speaker 18: go to LA, and then... the restricted free agent situation
34:47
Speaker 18: where the Kraken offered Jason Robertson a bunch of money
34:50
Speaker 18: on a deal that he could have accepted, but he
34:52
Speaker 18: didn't because he didn't want to go to Seattle. So
34:55
Speaker 18: that's kind of the bigger picture with regards to the Kraken.
34:58
Speaker 18: But in terms of the no trade clause situation, it's true.
35:02
Speaker 18: Almost every single player, not even just the big name players,
35:04
Speaker 18: everyone has no trade clauses now.
35:07
Speaker 3: So stop doing it. But that's my entire point.
35:11
Speaker 18: But because everyone has it, Now, if you're a player
35:16
Speaker 18: and you're negotiating a contract, you're not allowing yourself to
35:19
Speaker 18: not have one.
35:20
Speaker 5: If I had a no trade clause, then I'm going
35:23
Speaker 5: to try to use my no trade clause. And if
35:25
Speaker 5: a team wants to try to trade me, then, yeah,
35:27
Speaker 5: I'm going to try to.
35:28
Speaker 4: Of course.
35:29
Speaker 5: I don't think that the problem is that a player
35:31
Speaker 5: is going to use his no trade clause. If you're
35:33
Speaker 5: going to trade me, we're going to trade me because
35:35
Speaker 5: we work this out.
35:36
Speaker 1: Yeah.
35:37
Speaker 5: The problem is that every player has a no trade clause, apparently.
35:40
Speaker 5: So stop giving no trade clauses.
35:42
Speaker 18: But Chuck, if you're on a free agent that you
35:45
Speaker 18: know is going to be a difference maker to your team,
35:48
Speaker 18: and the difference between you signing him isn't any more money,
35:51
Speaker 18: and a salary cap league, by the way, isn't giving
35:54
Speaker 18: him $ 10 million more. It's, hey, give me a no
35:58
Speaker 18: trade clause and I'll sign. You're going to you're going
36:00
Speaker 18: to make that signing like that's just a way. And
36:02
Speaker 18: now every player is asking for it. So I think
36:05
Speaker 18: there does need to be some legislation to kind of
36:08
Speaker 18: limit the ability to do that a little bit more.
36:10
Speaker 18: Like I said, just because it's become such a standard
36:13
Speaker 18: thing in the NHL today.
36:14
Speaker 5: Well, I thought that was something that in other sports
36:18
Speaker 5: you'd negotiate. And it was a it's not like a rarity.
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Speaker 2: Sure. But.
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Speaker 5: Certainly they haven't had the issue in other sports with
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Speaker 5: no trade clauses that the NHL seems to.
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Speaker 3: Be having right now.
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Speaker 5: So I think it's easy. Just don't just disallow no
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Speaker 5: trade clauses. In a salary-capped sport, though, it's a lot harder.
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Speaker 5: This segment didn't go anywhere the way I was planning
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Speaker 5: on it going. So I'm not going to be able
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Speaker 5: to get to the actual two things I wanted to discuss.
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