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The Bolt Report | 8 October · The Bolt Report

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  Speaker 1: Tonight, campaigners fight the War Memorial's plan to honour the
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  Speaker 1: so-called Frontier Wars with Aborigines. Stop this fake history. Australian
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  Speaker 1: socialists say the violent protests in France have inspired them,
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  Speaker 1: and they're now organising students here... to turn out in
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  Speaker 1: our streets as well. Plus, disturbing footage of pro-Palestine protesters
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  Speaker 1: yesterday and reports that Harry and Meghan Markle will apologise
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  Speaker 1: to the royal family. Yeah, right. And of course, there'll
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  Speaker 1: be Barnaby Joyce. But first, the Albanese government has looked
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  Speaker 1: completely rudderless this week. Very interesting. It's leadership gone missing.
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  Speaker 1: And boy, did that show today. Two examples. Treasurer Jim
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  Speaker 1: Chalmers has claimed credit for the new ban on shops
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  Speaker 1: passing on credit card surcharges, claiming this would help us
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  Speaker 1: with the cost of living, saying the Reserve Bank were
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  Speaker 1: then dead precisely as it asked. But where's the Treasurer
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  Speaker 1: now to deal with the mess? Retailers aren't just screaming
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  Speaker 1: at being told to cover the costs themselves. They're also
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  Speaker 1: furious that the government tax office itself won't do that,
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  Speaker 1: as it instead banned businesses from paying their taxes by
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  Speaker 1: credit cards, which helped them with their cash flow, of course.
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  Speaker 1: And today, two prominent ministers had completely different lines about this.
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  Speaker 1: while the Treasurer and the Prime Minister, meanwhile, said nothing. Like,
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  Speaker 1: has anyone seen them? Assistant Minister Andrew Charlton, who's got
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  Speaker 1: ambitions to be Treasurer himself, backed the Tax Office against
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  Speaker 1: the business groups.
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  Speaker 2: Yes, the government supports the ATO's decision. The ATO has
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  Speaker 2: made that decision because of a principle of consistency between
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  Speaker 2: the private sector and the public sector.
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  Speaker 1: But Housing Minister Clare O'Neill, equally ambitious, hoped the Tax
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  Speaker 1: Office would back off.
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  Speaker 3: The government does have some real concerns about what the
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  Speaker 3: ATO is proposing to do here. This is, you know,
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  Speaker 3: small businesses across the country really struggle to manage their
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  Speaker 3: cash flow. And I know that partly because I grew
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  Speaker 3: up in a household where both my mum and my
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  Speaker 3: dad ran their own small business. Cash flow is the
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  Speaker 3: biggest thing that's often of concern for small business. And
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  Speaker 3: using credit cards to pay tax bill is a way
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  Speaker 3: that a lot of people are just managing that issue.
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  Speaker 3: So we really want the ATO to go back and
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  Speaker 3: talk to business.
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  Speaker 1: So which of these two ministers was speaking for the
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  Speaker 1: Albanese government? Could Albanese perhaps tell us? Hello? I mean,
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  Speaker 1: but this division is a sign of a government that
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  Speaker 1: right now is headless. Who is deciding the government line?
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  Speaker 1: But there's a second example, today again, of the government
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  Speaker 1: now acting like a headless chook, and it's a worse one.
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  Speaker 1: This is about Australia's future and how much of it
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  Speaker 1: will be destroyed by this government's global warming mania, and
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  Speaker 1: also by the state government's mania too. Last night I
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  Speaker 1: told you about the High Court's bizarre decision, a split decision,
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  Speaker 1: to stop a big extension of a coal mine in
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  Speaker 1: New South Wales at Mount Pleasant. Now three of the
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  Speaker 1: five judges, two of them coalition appointed, would you believe,
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  Speaker 1: said that This mine extension could not go ahead without
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  Speaker 1: the mine taking responsibility for the emissions caused by countries
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  Speaker 1: overseas burning their coal. And in fact, the mines actually
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  Speaker 1: had to do something about it. Now, excuse me. Why
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  Speaker 1: is it our job to check or control how, say,
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  Speaker 1: China burns our coal? Now, this kind of nonsense is
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  Speaker 1: obviously going to encourage foreign customers to perhaps buy their
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  Speaker 1: coal somewhere else. And it's an attack on our second
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  Speaker 1: biggest export when we're already getting poorer. So it's serious.
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  Speaker 1: But here again, mixed messages from the Albanese government. We
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  Speaker 1: had this morning Industry Minister Tim Ayres playing down the decision,
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  Speaker 1: but also making clear he thought that making Australia responsible
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  Speaker 1: for the emissions of foreign countries was unworkable, was a
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  Speaker 1: bad idea. But, of course, not that this government would
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  Speaker 1: do anything about it.
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  Speaker 4: How the New South Wales system deals with this, of course,
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  Speaker 4: is a matter for New South Wales. This is not
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  Speaker 4: a feature of the Commonwealth legislation, and I don't believe,
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  Speaker 4: I'm not an expert in this area, but I don't
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  Speaker 4: believe it's a feature of other states' regulatory systems either.
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  Speaker 4: With Australia's resources being exported overseas to our partner economies,
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  Speaker 4: it's their responsibility to manage their own industrial and electricity emissions.
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  Speaker 1: That's the way the system works. On the other hand,
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  Speaker 1: Resources Minister Madeleine King seems to suggest there was nothing
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  Speaker 1: wrong with all this.
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  Speaker 5: It's important that people have this say. The main thing
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  Speaker 5: for the people concerned, for the miners concerned, for the
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  Speaker 5: workers concerned, is that the New South Wales government backs
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  Speaker 5: coal mining. The Albanese Labor government federally backs coal mining.
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  Speaker 5: And what we will see is the state government, quite rightly,
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  Speaker 5: in New South Wales, working with the operators of the
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  Speaker 5: Mount Pleasant mine to see how they move this forward.
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  Speaker 1: And again, from the Prime Minister and the Treasurer, we
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  Speaker 1: heard nothing.
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  Speaker 6: If they don't repeal it, Anthony Albanese should put in
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  Speaker 6: place overriding legislation to repeal it. But it's completely unacceptable
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  Speaker 6: that a coal mine expansion or coal mine development not
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  Speaker 6: proceed because of legislation where there's a requirement to take
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  Speaker 6: into consideration the customer's emissions.
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  Speaker 1: Yeah, and there is a big problem here, even if
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  Speaker 1: Labor ministers are trying to play it down. Also, New
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  Speaker 1: South Wales Premier Chris Minns today was playing it down
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  Speaker 1: big time, defending, actually defending his green laws, which the
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  Speaker 1: High Court has now given real bite.
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  Speaker 7: I just think that it would be a big move
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  Speaker 7: to throw away the mining industry and Australia's reputation as
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  Speaker 7: both a mining economy and one that cares about the environment.
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  Speaker 8: And I think you should be careful what you wish for.
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  Speaker 1: In fact, the reputation we're getting is for being a
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  Speaker 1: country so mad green that why would mining companies come invest?
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  Speaker 1: I mean, how crazy is it that this country kills
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  Speaker 1: a mine project to save the world from emissions by
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  Speaker 1: people who, customers overseas, that will make no difference to
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  Speaker 1: the climate that anyone could possibly notice? But Chris Minsterday
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  Speaker 1: had an argument against that Only last week, you see,
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  Speaker 1: another coal project in New South Wales sailed through with
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  Speaker 1: all the permissions it needed.
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  Speaker 7: We had a major expansion for mining in New South
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  Speaker 7: Wales less than seven days ago. Now, that is billions
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  Speaker 7: of dollars' worth of investment. I don't think that the
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  Speaker 7: mining sector would be saying, we're up and out of here,
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  Speaker 7: if they believe that this decision, similar decisions to it,
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  Speaker 7: were going to cruel all future expansions.
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  Speaker 8: And it's true.
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  Speaker 1: Chris Moons is right in part. The Independent Planning Commission
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  Speaker 1: in New South Wales did indeed tick off on the
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  Speaker 1: extension of the Hunter Valley Operations coal mine near Singleton
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  Speaker 1: last week. But what Moons didn't tell you is that
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  Speaker 1: this mine only got the big tick because the commission
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  Speaker 1: forced it, forced the operator this time to take responsibility
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  Speaker 1: for emissions caused by burning its coal overseas and And
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  Speaker 1: the mine said, OK, we'll do that. The commission says
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  Speaker 1: the Singleton mine now must limit its coal exports through
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  Speaker 1: jurisdictions to countries that have policies for reducing greenhouse gas
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  Speaker 1: emissions consistent, it said, with the goals of the Paris Agreement.
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  Speaker 1: That's on climate. And even then, of course, the mine
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  Speaker 1: is lucky to get away with that because, as the
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  Speaker 1: High Court suggested, mines could even be forced under this
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  Speaker 1: law to, say, wash their coal before exporting it or
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  Speaker 1: other expensive procedures. But I mentioned there the Paris Agreement,
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  Speaker 1: that UN deal which Australia stupidly signed and which forces
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  Speaker 1: us to supposedly help save the planet from a global
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  Speaker 1: warming that's supposedly a threat. And this is where I've
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  Speaker 1: got to challenge again something that opposition leader Angus Taylor
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  Speaker 1: told me, and you, only last night on this show.
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  Speaker 1: When he said, oh no, no, no, this High Court
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  Speaker 1: ban of the Mount Pleasant mine had nothing to do
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  Speaker 1: with this Paris Agreement, which he refuses to pull us
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  Speaker 1: out of, as the US has done. I wonder whether
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  Speaker 1: this means we should pull out of legal obligations overseas,
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  Speaker 1: like the Paris Treaty, which would encourage judges to say, well,
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  Speaker 1: this is international law or we sign these treaties and
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  Speaker 1: this is our obligation. Do you think that... Would you
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  Speaker 1: have another look at that, pulling out of the Paris Treaty? Well,
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  Speaker 1: can I say there is absolutely nothing that requires... this.
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  Speaker 6: This is on the New South Wales Government. It's got
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  Speaker 6: nothing to do with international treaties.
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  Speaker 4: Andrew?
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  Speaker 1: No, really? In fact, the High Court judgment on this
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  Speaker 1: Mount Pleasant mine that's been banned referred to this Paris
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  Speaker 1: Agreement 60 times. The Independent Planning Commission decision on the
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  Speaker 1: Singleton mine that was let through referred to the Paris
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  Speaker 1: Agreement 30 times, insisting it did put obligations on us.
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  Speaker 1: And bit by bit, this way, the noose, the global
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  Speaker 1: warming noose, goes around the neck of our coal industry.
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  Speaker 1: But which party will finally cut us free? And where
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  Speaker 1: exactly is the Prime Minister? When it comes to a
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  Speaker 1: topic like this, come in spinner. Joining me is my
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  Speaker 1: regular Thursday commentator for years now, Barnaby Joyce, One Nation
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  Speaker 1: MP and former Deputy Prime Minister. Barnaby, great to see
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  Speaker 1: you again. Labor ministers and a Labor Premier telling us
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  Speaker 1: this is not a biggie. Settle down, Barnaby. It's just
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  Speaker 1: a procedural hiccup affecting only New South Wales minds. It'll
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  Speaker 1: be sorted.
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  Speaker 9: Your view. I'm over-calling them the Labor Party. There are
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  Speaker 9: no Laborers on the front bench of the Labor Party.
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  Speaker 9: They are the Socialist Party. They are former student unionists
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  Speaker 9: with a massive chip on their shoulder who've landed in Canberra.
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  Speaker 9: If they say that the Albanese and men's are in
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  Speaker 9: support of coal workers, well, then help coal workers keep
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  Speaker 9: their jobs. by immediately repealing the legislation, which they knew
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  Speaker 9: was coming. This is in my electorate. We knew this
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  Speaker 9: was coming. We knew it was before the High Court.
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  Speaker 9: They did nothing about it. And now they're saying, oh,
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  Speaker 9: it's just a hiccup. No, it's not a hiccup. It
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  Speaker 9: is a terminal disease. on an economic sense for the
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  Speaker 9: Hunter Valley and for blue-collar workers who actually are labourers.
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  Speaker 9: They actually are genuine labourers. They're actually what the Labor
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  Speaker 9: Party used to be. Now, the Paris Agreement, it is
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  Speaker 9: ridiculous to say this has nothing to do with the
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  Speaker 9: Paris Agreement. It quite obviously does. The High Court has
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  Speaker 9: said in its reference to it, it is you don't
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  Speaker 9: just sign up for treaties and believe that they have
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  Speaker 9: no effect. Of course they have effect and it's becoming
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  Speaker 9: more and more efficacious because in its role within Australian industry.
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  Speaker 9: Here's the final thing. We are, they keep on saying,
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  Speaker 9: a trillion dollars in debt.
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  Speaker 1: Fair enough.
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  Speaker 9: And we're working out ways to stop ourselves earning income.
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  Speaker 9: So unless there's a dynamic change of behaviour, this is
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  Speaker 9: what's going to happen to you. It's just a matter
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  Speaker 9: of whether, whether it's in the short term, medium term
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  Speaker 9: or long term, but it's going to happen. You're going
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  Speaker 9: to go broke. You're going to go broke, folks, because
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  Speaker 9: you're an export nation and one of your biggest exports
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  Speaker 9: is coal. You're already into the farming industry, trying to
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  Speaker 9: shut that down. You're going to the coal industry. If
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  Speaker 9: you go down this path, just tell us what you
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  Speaker 9: want to get rid of, the NDIS, your pensions, your
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  Speaker 9: public hospital system.
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  Speaker 1: What do you want to do?
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  Speaker 9: Because poor people don't have those services and we will
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  Speaker 9: be poor.
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  Speaker 1: Barnaby, let me be clear then. Should there be a
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  Speaker 1: One Nation government, would you, A, pass some legislation? I'm
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  Speaker 1: not a lawyer. I don't even know if it's possible
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  Speaker 1: to override the state legislation here. pass legislation and say, no,
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  Speaker 1: Australian mines will not be held responsible for emissions overseas,
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  Speaker 1: and B, would you pull Australia out of the Paris Agreement?
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  Speaker 9: Well, with great joy, I can tell you over and
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  Speaker 9: over again that if one nation is elected, the Climate
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  Speaker 9: Change Department is gone and all the legislation attached to
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  Speaker 9: it is gone. And we go back to sanity. If
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  Speaker 9: we have to have... a constitutional issue in regards to
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  Speaker 9: primacy between Commonwealth legislation and states, the Commonwealth legislation as primacy,
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  Speaker 9: then you'd have to walk that in. Obviously, you'd have
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  Speaker 9: to have a good old yarn to the Attorney-General and
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  Speaker 9: to your solicitors, the Attorney-General, Solicitor-General, that's the word I'm
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  Speaker 9: looking for, and say, how do we create this legislation
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  Speaker 9: in such a form as that it overrides the New
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  Speaker 9: South Wales edict, which is putting these labourers out of
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  Speaker 9: work and hurting the Hunter Valley, the blue-collar towns in
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  Speaker 9: the Hunter Valley. And if Premier Minns, he obviously, well,
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  Speaker 9: he doesn't believe in Laborers at all. I mean, what
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  Speaker 9: should be happening as primacy? They should be going into
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  Speaker 9: the chamber first opportunity and getting rid of this. And
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  Speaker 9: the Labor government federally should be going to the chamber
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  Speaker 9: first opportunity and introducing legislation that has primacy over the
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  Speaker 9: New South Wales legislation. It's an international treaty and they
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  Speaker 9: have treaties resides with the Commonwealth. They can go in there.
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  Speaker 9: They can say, well, we're out of this. We've got
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  Speaker 9: nothing to do with the Paris Accord anymore. That's gone. Therefore,
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  Speaker 9: any ruling that refers to the Paris Accord is gone
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  Speaker 9: as well.
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  Speaker 1: Well, it's interesting, isn't it, that Matt Canavan was very
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  Speaker 1: strong on pulling out of the Paris Agreement until, of course,
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  Speaker 1: he became Nationals leader and had to compromise with the Liberals.
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  Speaker 1: So that's a pity. But anyway, well, there you go.
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  Speaker 1: By the way, though, so you've got all this controversy.
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  Speaker 1: You've also got business in a big stink about the
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  Speaker 1: Australian Tax Office not allowing businesses to pay their tax
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  Speaker 1: dues by credit card. You know, you've got these government
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  Speaker 1: ministers now giving different versions of what the government's attitude
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  Speaker 1: to both issues are.
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  Speaker 1: Have you seen the Prime Minister lately? Have you seen
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  Speaker 1: the Treasurer? Where are they? There's a strange leadership vacuum
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  Speaker 1: at the moment, isn't there?
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  Speaker 9: There's a bit of... You've got to get a drone
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  Speaker 9: over them. There's a lot of sharks. You've got to
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  Speaker 9: get a drone above them and tell us where the
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  Speaker 9: sharks are. And they're closing in on Uncle Jim and Albo.
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  Speaker 9: I think it's looking awfully like the end of times,
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  Speaker 9: political times for those two. You can see they're breaking
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  Speaker 9: out of their... Labor is pretty good at discipline, but
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  Speaker 9: once they start breaking out You know, they're getting very
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  Speaker 9: close to those late-night dinners in Canberra. We're getting to
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  Speaker 9: the killing season, remember? Late-night dinners in Canberra where all
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  Speaker 9: of a sudden, not a problem, not a problem, bang,
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  Speaker 9: new leader. And, you know, when they say, oh, they've
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  Speaker 9: got to go back, they've got a legislation or something,
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  Speaker 9: a process where they have to go back to the membership,
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  Speaker 9: what happens? They just repeal that process and they just
• 16:50
  Speaker 9: go straight back to the members in Parliament and off
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  Speaker 9: they go.
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  Speaker 1: Barnaby, I don't want to be rude... but I will be.
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  Speaker 1: One Nation is light on policies. It's light on costings.
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  Speaker 1: Some of your MPs don't seem on the same page.
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  Speaker 1: Your latest one, for instance. You're also the only person
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  Speaker 1: in the Canberra team with experience in government, the only one.
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  Speaker 1: So explain to me why polls this week say One
• 17:19
  Speaker 1: Nation is easily the most popular party in Australia. It's
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  Speaker 1: not even close. What's the secret sauce, do you think?
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  Speaker 1: Are you so good or the other so bad?
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  Speaker 9: Well, the first thing I say is, you know, we
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  Speaker 9: don't get carried away with polls. It'd be hubristic. They're
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  Speaker 9: a million indicator. We get very excited about elections and
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  Speaker 9: we've been going well in those.
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  Speaker 10: So why?
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  Speaker 9: Because there's two things. They see a sense of business
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  Speaker 9: sense and a sense of pragmatism. They understand that with
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  Speaker 9: Pauline's approach, it's straight down the barrel. You might get
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  Speaker 9: upset with what she says, but you know it comes
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  Speaker 9: from a good place. I suppose in a more nuanced form,
• 17:59
  Speaker 9: it's the same with me. I've got nothing really to prove.
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  Speaker 9: I've been there. I've done that. This innings is for
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  Speaker 9: Australia and trying to make sure that, just like what
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  Speaker 9: we've talked about, we get ourselves out of this hole.
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  Speaker 9: And I see more matter-of-fact people who have got business experience.
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  Speaker 9: They mightn't be the perfect politicians, but you've got the
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  Speaker 9: perfect politicians there. And look at the strife you're in.
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  Speaker 9: You're in massive strife. Your economy's in massive strife. You're socially,
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  Speaker 9: it's come unstuck, unfortunately, in forms. If you want perfect politicians, baby,
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  Speaker 9: you got them and look what it's done for you.
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  Speaker 1: I think there's probably something there that people are saying
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  Speaker 1: One Nation can't possibly be any worse. Well, we shall
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  Speaker 1: see if you get elected government. Who will know? Barnaby Joyce,
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  Speaker 1: thank you so much for your time. After the break,
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  Speaker 1: a campaign to stop the war memorial, the Australian War
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  Speaker 1: Memorial in Canberra, from honouring the so-called frontier wars, wars
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  Speaker 1: with Aborigines. Well, the organiser of this campaign says no
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  Speaker 1: to the lies. The Australian War Memorial in Canberra is
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  Speaker 1: therefore one thing above all. to honour servicemen and women
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  Speaker 1: who died in war for their country, for Australia. So
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  Speaker 1: the memorial's trustees have caused an uproar by promising a gallery,
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  Speaker 1: a new one, in two years' time which will commemorate
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  Speaker 1: Aborigines who died in what it claims were frontier wars
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  Speaker 1: against whites, against farmers or settlers or colonial troops or whatever.
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  Speaker 1: That's the plan announced by the chairman of the Australian
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  Speaker 1: War Memorial Council, former federal Labor leader Kim Beazley.
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  Speaker 10: Do you find it strange that Australia generally seems to
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  Speaker 10: have such a lack of interest in or education about
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  Speaker 10: the frontier wars which occurred across Australia for at least
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  Speaker 10: a century? And what should be the role of the
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  Speaker 10: War Memorial in addressing that?
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  Speaker 11: In the 19th century, all Australian settlers knew everything. about
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  Speaker 11: frontier wars. They were actively involved. They had actively demonstrated
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  Speaker 11: fear of it, organised themselves to be participants in it, and,
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  Speaker 11: of course, committed some horrendous massacres. And that has got
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  Speaker 11: to be, or the conflict element of that has got
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  Speaker 11: to be represented in that memorial.
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  Speaker 1: Were there actually frontier wars? And should the War Memorial
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  Speaker 1: have anything to do with them anyway? I mean, more
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  Speaker 1: than 36,000 people have now signed a petition called Defend
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  Speaker 1: Sacred Ground. It's been organised by Peter O'Brien, a retired
• 20:48
  Speaker 1: lieutenant colonel, and also one of the country's bravest history
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  Speaker 1: researchers and authors, Roger Kaj, of the website darkemuexposed.org. Rosa Kaj,
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  Speaker 1: what a pleasure to see you again. Why are you
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  Speaker 1: so opposed to the war memorial, including exhibits about what
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  Speaker 1: it calls the frontier wars and horrendous massacres?
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  Speaker 12: Well, basically, Andrew, the war memorial was set up as
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  Speaker 12: a sacred site to honour the 103,140 Australians who sacrificed
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  Speaker 12: their lives so you and I could be free, so
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  Speaker 12: our country could be free. So it's a place of
• 21:30
  Speaker 12: great sacredness and solemnness and you just can't bring in
• 21:35
  Speaker 12: party political activism into that sanctuary. It's sacred ground. That's
• 21:39
  Speaker 12: what we're calling it, sacred ground. And it's deeply, deeply
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  Speaker 12: sacrilegious to do that and also amoral, I think. So
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  Speaker 12: the activists are trying to use the memorial to further
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  Speaker 12: their own political aims and And it's very disrespectful to
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  Speaker 12: the families and to the people who gave their lives.
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  Speaker 8: These are people that signed up.
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  Speaker 12: To the military forces, put on the uniform, servicemen and servicewomen.
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  Speaker 8: They signed an oath to.
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  Speaker 12: Our majesty, the king or queen at the time.
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  Speaker 8: They agreed to fight.
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  Speaker 12: For the crown and to fight our crown's enemies. So
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  Speaker 12: that's the whole purpose of it. And 103,140 sadly lost
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  Speaker 12: their lives.
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  Speaker 8: And so it's a place of sacredness. It's not a
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  Speaker 8: political arena. It's not the parliament. It's not a conference.
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  Speaker 8: It's not a seminar. It's not a city square. It's
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  Speaker 8: a sacred.
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  Speaker 12: Shrine where you're meant to leave all your day-to-day work
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  Speaker 12: thoughts at the door, and you go in and you
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  Speaker 12: reflect on these Australians that gave their lives for us.
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  Speaker 1: I think fundamentally it's an institution that was created in
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  Speaker 1: order to unite us so that we could make a
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  Speaker 1: joint sacrifice. If it actually came to it in the future,
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  Speaker 1: it's to unite us not to delegitimise Australia, which I
• 22:57
  Speaker 1: think is really the exercise here. But there's an honesty
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  Speaker 1: factor here too, Roger. Was there actually anything that we
• 23:06
  Speaker 1: could honestly call a war?
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  Speaker 12: I've been looking at this for quite a few years now,
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  Speaker 12: not just me, but with my group of researchers.
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  Speaker 8: And there was no war. There was not a war.
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  Speaker 12: We're using the figures that the proponents of the so-called
• 23:24
  Speaker 12: frontier war theory have given us, right? So they've published
• 23:27
  Speaker 12: their numbers. And all we can find is that one
• 23:29
  Speaker 12: soldier in Tasmania was killed, but he was just sitting
• 23:33
  Speaker 12: by a creek. He was actually weaving a birdcage and
• 23:36
  Speaker 12: Aboriginal people came up behind him and bludgeoned him to death.
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  Speaker 8: That's the war death of a British.
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  Speaker 12: Soldier in Tasmania, the only one. And on the mainland,
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  Speaker 12: 14 British soldiers were killed. I mean, that's not a war, Andrew.
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  Speaker 8: There was a lot of violence, but it.
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  Speaker 12: Was civilian violence. It was settlers fighting Aborigines, Aborigines fighting settlers.
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  Speaker 8: And you can't... They're not military people. You can't put
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  Speaker 8: them in the war memorial.
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  Speaker 12: They don't come under what's called the Australian War Memorial Act,
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  Speaker 12: which defines that to be memorialised in the shrine, you
• 24:09
  Speaker 12: have to be a member of the Defence Forces and
• 24:11
  Speaker 12: you have to be raised in Australia by the Crown.
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  Speaker 8: And so there's no evidence.
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  Speaker 1: Yes, but I got that. No, I've got that, but
• 24:24
  Speaker 1: activists will tell you, and I've seen some academics too
• 24:27
  Speaker 1: of the hard left saying, oh, but listen, there were
• 24:31
  Speaker 1: 100,000 Aborigines who died in these supposed frontier wars. They
• 24:37
  Speaker 1: were warriors themselves. All right, they didn't sign an oath
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  Speaker 1: of allegiance to the king or the queen or whatever, but,
• 24:43
  Speaker 1: you know, these were Aboriginal warriors and therefore 100,000 have
• 24:48
  Speaker 1: got to be in the war memorial.
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  Speaker 12: I've been on your show quite a few times, Andrew,
• 24:53
  Speaker 12: talking about fakes, right? And touch wood, I've been right
• 24:59
  Speaker 12: so far. I've identified these fake Aboriginal activists, academics, and
• 25:04
  Speaker 12: this number of 100,000 is another fake. Its pedigree is
• 25:09
  Speaker 12: that an academic 50 years ago, he.
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  Speaker 8: Came up with the theory of the frontier war theory.
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  Speaker 8: He had been reading the newspapers.
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  Speaker 12: He sort of said that he could count 800 white
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  Speaker 12: settlers who'd been killed. He never listed their names, never
• 25:24
  Speaker 12: said where they were killed, but he came up with.
• 25:26
  Speaker 8: This number of 800.
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  Speaker 12: He multiplied it by 20% to make it to 1,000,
• 25:30
  Speaker 12: so it was easy to calculate. And then he just
• 25:33
  Speaker 12: pulls a factor out of the air and says, oh,
• 25:35
  Speaker 12: it must have been 10 times as many Aborigines killed
• 25:38
  Speaker 12: as there were white settlers. So he came up with
• 25:40
  Speaker 12: a number of 10,000. And then for the tests in Queensland.
• 25:44
  Speaker 12: And then he said across the Northern Australia, it might've
• 25:46
  Speaker 12: been about 20,000.
• 25:48
  Speaker 8: Let's double it.
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  Speaker 12: You know, he uses the phrase, it's reasonable to suppose,
• 25:53
  Speaker 12: but that's a guess.
• 25:53
  Speaker 8: He's just guessing. And since that time.
• 25:56
  Speaker 12: Other academics over the last 50 years have taken his
• 25:59
  Speaker 12: number and and multiplied it, made other things out of
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  Speaker 12: the air, pulled this out of the air, and it
• 26:06
  Speaker 12: went to 30,000, then 40,000. And now people are walking
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  Speaker 12: around claiming it's 100,000. And even one of Australia's most
• 26:13
  Speaker 12: senior historians was on the ABC last week saying it's 100,000.
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  Speaker 8: But she hasn't checked that. It's all fake.
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  Speaker 12: None of it's true, Andrew. There are no names. There
• 26:25
  Speaker 12: are 103,140 Australian names in the memorial. We know their names.
• 26:28
  Speaker 12: We know their unit number. We know a lot of
• 26:31
  Speaker 12: details about them. You ask the Aboriginal activists, name one
• 26:34
  Speaker 12: of the 100,000 and they struggle.
• 26:36
  Speaker 8: They can't.
• 26:38
  Speaker 1: So what would you estimate? There was violence, not necessarily between... Well,
• 26:44
  Speaker 1: a few limited cases between the Crown, between actual soldiers
• 26:48
  Speaker 1: and Aborigines, but other cases was between settlers and farmers
• 26:54
  Speaker 1: and Aborigines, stockmen and Aborigines. What would you say if
• 26:58
  Speaker 1: you were to call that a war, which I think
• 27:01
  Speaker 1: would be false, but in those conflicts, what would you
• 27:04
  Speaker 1: say the death toll for Aborigines was?
• 27:09
  Speaker 12: Well, we're still compiling our figures, but if you look
• 27:11
  Speaker 12: at the University of Newcastle massacre map, they've got 400-odd.
• 27:17
  Speaker 8: Massacres and they say 10,000.
• 27:19
  Speaker 12: They've named 10,000 incidences in which 10,000 Aboriginal people died, right?
• 27:26
  Speaker 8: Now, those numbers are overinflated, right? But it can't be
• 27:30
  Speaker 8: more than.
• 27:31
  Speaker 12: 5,000 or 10,000. That's my reckoning at this stage. And
• 27:36
  Speaker 12: so when you do the calculations, it only adds up
• 27:38
  Speaker 12: to in any one district, you know, a few people
• 27:41
  Speaker 12: were killed each.
• 27:42
  Speaker 8: Year here, there and everywhere. And it's very nuanced.
• 27:46
  Speaker 12: There was some violence and some terrible violence, but.
• 27:50
  Speaker 8: It wasn't ubiquitous. It wasn't everywhere. Lots of Aboriginal people said, oh,
• 27:54
  Speaker 8: this colonisation is good. We're coming in. We want to
• 27:57
  Speaker 8: be part of it. We want to get jobs. We
• 27:59
  Speaker 8: want to dress in Western clothes. We want our kids
• 28:01
  Speaker 8: to be educated, right?
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  Speaker 12: So to make it look like it was a frontier
• 28:05
  Speaker 12: war nonstop, like in the wild west of America, is wrong.
• 28:10
  Speaker 12: So no one will know the exact number ultimately, but
• 28:14
  Speaker 12: it's probably 5,000, 10,000, something like that, 15,000. I mean,
• 28:21
  Speaker 12: it's terrible, but it's not, you know, the Aztec Empire
• 28:24
  Speaker 12: where millions of people were killed.
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  Speaker 1: Roger Kaj, thank you so much for your time.
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  Speaker 12: All right.
• 28:30
  Speaker 8: Thank you, Andrew.
• 28:33
  Speaker 1: Now, if you want to help do something about this
• 28:35
  Speaker 1: rewriting of our history and to protect the war memorial
• 28:38
  Speaker 1: from being politicised, you can sign Roger's petition by going
• 28:42
  Speaker 1: to the website that we've written down kindly for you
• 28:46
  Speaker 1: on the bottom of the screen, defend sacred ground, one word,
• 28:50
  Speaker 1: defend sacred ground dot com. They're aiming for about 100,000
• 28:55
  Speaker 1: signatures and actually more than 38,000 have signed already. Defend
• 29:02
  Speaker 1: sacred ground dot com. I'll come back to this issue later.
• 29:06
  Speaker 1: After the break, vile scenes from pro-Palestine protests yesterday that
• 29:12
  Speaker 1: might make you wonder again about what mass immigration is
• 29:17
  Speaker 1: doing to us in one instance anyway. I want to
• 29:26
  Speaker 1: show some disturbing vision that makes even clearer there's a
• 29:29
  Speaker 1: great sickness here, showing the hate and the ignorance and
• 29:33
  Speaker 1: the disturbing lap of lack of empathy of so many
• 29:37
  Speaker 1: pro-Palestine protesters who demonstrated yesterday to stop Jews from mourning
• 29:41
  Speaker 1: in peace the massacre of 1,200 Israelis on October 7,
• 29:46
  Speaker 1: three years ago. In Sydney, one clown even carried a
• 29:50
  Speaker 1: poster honouring Yayo Sinwa, the now assassinated leader of the
• 29:54
  Speaker 1: mass terrorist group which killed those Jews and gang-raped and
• 29:58
  Speaker 1: beheaded and kidnapped In Melbourne, Jewish journalist Avi Yemeni of
• 30:03
  Speaker 1: Rebel News went to see anti-Israel protesters there to find
• 30:08
  Speaker 1: they were rather menacing themselves. And there he also found
• 30:28
  Speaker 1: protesters with no tears for the Jews, but sympathy for
• 30:32
  Speaker 1: the terrorists.
• 30:34
  Speaker 9: Do you support the vigil today?
• 30:35
  Speaker 12: Yes.
• 30:36
  Speaker 1: I don't know what it's for, but yes.
• 30:38
  Speaker 9: It's a vigil for October 7 for what they're calling
• 30:40
  Speaker 9: the martyrs, the terrorists on October 7. So you support
• 30:45
  Speaker 9: the terrorists on October 7?
• 30:47
  Speaker 12: Yes.
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  Speaker 10: Yeah.
• 30:49
  Speaker 7: Sure thing.
• 30:49
  Speaker 9: I'm here to cover this vigil for the martyrs on
• 30:52
  Speaker 9: October 7th. Are you with them on that?
• 30:55
  Speaker 7: Yeah, I am.
• 30:56
  Speaker 1: So you support it.
• 30:56
  Speaker 9: So who's the vigil for?
• 30:58
  Speaker 7: Sorry?
• 30:59
  Speaker 9: Who's the vigil for today?
• 31:01
  Speaker 1: What do you mean by that?
• 31:02
  Speaker 9: It's a vigil now.
• 31:03
  Speaker 12: Right.
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  Speaker 9: For the martyrs. For the martyrs in Palestine. On October 7th.
• 31:07
  Speaker 9: Today's October 7th.
• 31:08
  Speaker 12: Right.
• 31:08
  Speaker 9: So who were the martyrs on October 7th?
• 31:11
  Speaker 1: I know all the October 7th attacks.
• 31:13
  Speaker 2: Yeah, some were.
• 31:13
  Speaker 9: Who were the martyrs that you're here to support?
• 31:16
  Speaker 8: Well, OK, I.
• 31:17
  Speaker 1: Wasn't really part of this, but who do I support?
• 31:20
  Speaker 1: What side am I on? Palestine, bro.
• 31:22
  Speaker 9: What's your background?
• 31:24
  Speaker 1: Pakistani. Well, it also made you think about who we're
• 31:30
  Speaker 1: importing these days.
• 31:33
  Speaker 9: On October 7, how do you feel about the women
• 31:36
  Speaker 9: that were gang raped?
• 31:37
  Speaker 8: Free Palestine.
• 31:38
  Speaker 2: I thought so.
• 31:39
  Speaker 9: Are you here for the vigil for who? Free Palestine.
• 31:41
  Speaker 9: Who are the martyrs you're here to celebrate? Free Palestine.
• 31:45
  Speaker 9: Who's the martyrs?
• 31:46
  Speaker 4: Free Palestine.
• 31:47
  Speaker 2: You want to see nationality?
• 31:48
  Speaker 1: Okay, wait. Australian.
• 31:51
  Speaker 5: Have you seen that?
• 31:55
  Speaker 1: But I guess we should at least be grateful that
• 31:58
  Speaker 1: most of our pro-Palestine protesters didn't go as far as
• 32:01
  Speaker 1: ones in Amsterdam yesterday who actually chanted, long live the
• 32:06
  Speaker 1: 7th of October. Yes, long live the day that 1,200
• 32:10
  Speaker 1: Jews were killed, the sick puppies.
• 32:13
  Speaker 8: Long live the 7th of October! Long live the 7th
• 32:18
  Speaker 8: of October! Long live the 7th of October!
• 32:24
  Speaker 1: Joining me on News 24, host James McPherson, who filled
• 32:27
  Speaker 1: in for me so brilliantly while I was on holidays,
• 32:31
  Speaker 1: and communications consultant Christy McSweeney, who has worked for Coalition
• 32:34
  Speaker 1: Prime Ministers and Premiers. James, what did yesterday, those scenes,
• 32:38
  Speaker 1: teach you?
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  Speaker 13: I actually went along to the town hall here in Sydney, Andrew,
• 32:42
  Speaker 13: to have a look at what they were doing at
• 32:44
  Speaker 13: 6pm when they gathered for their vigil.
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  Speaker 9: Here's what I learned.
• 32:47
  Speaker 13: I learned that hatred makes you dumb and it makes
• 32:50
  Speaker 13: you blind.
• 32:51
  Speaker 9: It makes you blind to reality.
• 32:53
  Speaker 13: I had people aged in their 60s, and these were
• 32:55
  Speaker 13: not immigrants, by the way. These were white Australians coming
• 32:59
  Speaker 13: up to me, Andrew, trying to convince me that the
• 33:01
  Speaker 13: October 7 attack never actually happened. The whole thing was staged.
• 33:05
  Speaker 5: I had.
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  Speaker 13: Seemingly sensible, articulate, well-dressed people, seriously trying to convince me
• 33:13
  Speaker 13: no Jews were killed. In fact, the Jews did this
• 33:16
  Speaker 13: to try and garner sympathy. That's hatred that just makes
• 33:19
  Speaker 13: people dumb and blind. On top of that, I learned
• 33:23
  Speaker 13: that hatred makes you dumb and blind towards... The hypocrisy
• 33:27
  Speaker 13: of your own behaviour. Josh Lees, who is the guy
• 33:31
  Speaker 13: with the man bun, he's the organiser of the pro-Palestine
• 33:34
  Speaker 13: rallies here in Sydney. I introduced myself to him. He
• 33:37
  Speaker 13: wasn't that happy to meet me. But I said to him,
• 33:40
  Speaker 13: what would you say to people who simply remark that
• 33:42
  Speaker 13: it's inappropriate of all days for you to do this
• 33:45
  Speaker 13: on October 7th? He simply refused to answer the question, Andrew,
• 33:48
  Speaker 13: and referred me to his media advisor. I said, I'm
• 33:51
  Speaker 13: not here in an official capacity. I'm just asking as
• 33:54
  Speaker 13: a fellow Australian, what makes you think this is OK?
• 33:57
  Speaker 13: He wouldn't answer the question, not recognising his own hypocrisy.
• 34:01
  Speaker 13: And very quickly, the other thing it makes you blind
• 34:04
  Speaker 13: to when you're so full of hate is the complete
• 34:06
  Speaker 13: incompatibility of your own associations. They had climate protesters, Indigenous
• 34:11
  Speaker 13: rights activists. They had people who were anti-capitalism. all joining
• 34:16
  Speaker 13: together with Islamists. And the thing they have in common
• 34:20
  Speaker 13: is the hatred of Israel, though these groups in themselves
• 34:24
  Speaker 13: would all devour each other, but they unite around their
• 34:27
  Speaker 13: hatred for Israel. And that was my takeaway from yesterday.
• 34:30
  Speaker 13: It's a lot of people with hatred in their hearts.
• 34:35
  Speaker 1: Well, and Josh Lees himself is a Marxist. I think
• 34:37
  Speaker 1: it's with the socialist alternative. But, I mean, yes, these
• 34:40
  Speaker 1: are enemies united in a hatred of the West and
• 34:43
  Speaker 1: its freedoms. That's basically it. It's an alliance of convenience.
• 34:48
  Speaker 1: What did you make of all this? I mean, Christy,
• 34:55
  Speaker 1: I mean, it really sickens me what I'm seeing in
• 34:59
  Speaker 1: the streets today.
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  Speaker 14: It made me incredibly sad. It made me incredibly sad
• 35:05
  Speaker 14: to hear the words that you've just shown in those
• 35:07
  Speaker 14: clips come out of the mouths of people who are Australians,
• 35:13
  Speaker 14: who are out there showing their passports, saying that they're Australian.
• 35:17
  Speaker 1: To prove the point, it.
• 35:19
  Speaker 14: Made me incredibly sad that this is the Australia we
• 35:22
  Speaker 14: now have. It made me incredibly sad that the level
• 35:26
  Speaker 14: of ignorance towards forming an opinion of what you believe
• 35:30
  Speaker 14: in and simply following a number of activist groups whose
• 35:35
  Speaker 14: core vision in being an activist group is not about Israel,
• 35:40
  Speaker 14: is not about Palestine, it is about any number of
• 35:44
  Speaker 14: activist rights and people are ignorant enough to jump on
• 35:48
  Speaker 14: the bandwagon and not know what they are marching in
• 35:51
  Speaker 14: the streets for. That makes me incredibly sad that that
• 35:56
  Speaker 14: is the level of understanding that people now require to
• 36:00
  Speaker 14: go and march in the streets for a cause that
• 36:03
  Speaker 14: they have no understanding of and are clearly not understanding
• 36:07
  Speaker 14: the impact of that on Jewish Australians, who are our
• 36:09
  Speaker 14: democratic allies.
• 36:13
  Speaker 1: Idiots, Marxists, showboaters, selfish people, they've always been among us.
• 36:18
  Speaker 1: But what frightens me is that I'm not seeing the
• 36:21
  Speaker 1: institutions standing up to them. I'm actually seeing a pandering
• 36:25
  Speaker 1: to them. We see that, of course, with the Labor
• 36:27
  Speaker 1: courtship of the Muslim vote in particular. That's just one example.
• 36:33
  Speaker 1: Talking about ignorance, one thing yesterday... did teach was that
• 36:39
  Speaker 1: history is dead. So many people have no idea about
• 36:42
  Speaker 1: the history of the Holocaust, of Israel. But also, here's
• 36:46
  Speaker 1: another example. Greens leader David Shoebridge, who today repeated his
• 36:50
  Speaker 1: call for hundreds more government run supermarkets right here. Have
• 36:54
  Speaker 1: a look.
• 36:56
  Speaker 3: Publicly owned supermarkets take the profit out of it and
• 36:59
  Speaker 3: make groceries cheaper for people.
• 37:02
  Speaker 1: Now, Shoebridge doesn't seem to remember how communism actually worked
• 37:05
  Speaker 1: or did not. I mean, how government-run shops in the
• 37:08
  Speaker 1: Soviet Union, for instance, were so hopeless they had nothing
• 37:11
  Speaker 1: worth buying. I actually remember going to shops in communist
• 37:14
  Speaker 1: East Berlin back then and they weren't much better than
• 37:17
  Speaker 1: what I'm just showing you. Looking at that, what... How's communism,
• 37:25
  Speaker 1: do you think, James, become so fashionable now among parts
• 37:30
  Speaker 1: of the left, including in America, of course?
• 37:32
  Speaker 9: Yeah, you're absolutely right.
• 37:33
  Speaker 13: Right across the Western world, socialism is making a great comeback.
• 37:37
  Speaker 13: I think, Andrew, it's as simple as nature abhorring a vacuum.
• 37:41
  Speaker 9: The West was.
• 37:41
  Speaker 13: Built on Christianity. We've rejected Christianity, and Christianity answered questions
• 37:46
  Speaker 13: like the question of meaning, morality, good and evil. Those questions,
• 37:53
  Speaker 13: though Christianity has been rejected, those questions remain and into
• 37:57
  Speaker 13: the void steps Marxism, which provides an alternate set of
• 38:00
  Speaker 13: answers for those questions where Christianity says the problem is
• 38:04
  Speaker 13: our human hearts. Marxism says the problem is economic and
• 38:07
  Speaker 13: social systems. Christianity says the answer is change our hearts
• 38:11
  Speaker 13: through the power of forgiveness. Marxism says change the economic
• 38:14
  Speaker 13: and social systems through the power of force if necessary.
• 38:17
  Speaker 13: And then secularism doesn't provide meaning because secularism just says eat,
• 38:22
  Speaker 13: drink and, you know, be merry for tomorrow we die.
• 38:26
  Speaker 13: But Marxism provides purpose. You're part of history. Your struggle
• 38:30
  Speaker 13: has meaning. And I just think Marxism is replacing Christianity.
• 38:35
  Speaker 8: True.
• 38:35
  Speaker 1: I would go further. Christy, on that, I think also
• 38:39
  Speaker 1: communism or it's actually communism now. It really appeals to
• 38:45
  Speaker 1: people who are young, so they're just starting, or people
• 38:48
  Speaker 1: who have failed, people who are angry at not being recognised.
• 38:52
  Speaker 1: They get a feel of collective power and they can smash.
• 38:55
  Speaker 1: You can smash, but you can't build. What do you
• 38:57
  Speaker 1: make of it?
• 38:59
  Speaker 14: Well, two things here in responding to that point you
• 39:01
  Speaker 14: just made. The Greens Party in Australia has a significant
• 39:05
  Speaker 14: voter base. of people who have never felt the effects
• 39:09
  Speaker 14: of a struggle. They have a significant voter base of privileged, educated,
• 39:14
  Speaker 14: white young people in this country who feel that capitalism
• 39:18
  Speaker 14: has failed them, not understanding that they still live at
• 39:21
  Speaker 14: home with their parents at age 30 and have $ 150, 000
• 39:23
  Speaker 14: private education under their belt. And aspirations to work in
• 39:28
  Speaker 14: The Hague or for AusAid and never turn a dollar. However,
• 39:32
  Speaker 14: when that is a significant portion of your voter base...
• 39:36
  Speaker 14: It is easy for you to stand up and say
• 39:38
  Speaker 14: those things. The other thing that I will make a
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  Speaker 14: comment on is that the Greens and David Shoebridge, since
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  Speaker 14: he's taken the leadership, has been very transparent that the
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  Speaker 14: Greens need to harness some of the Zohan Mamdani messaging
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  Speaker 14: and excitement.
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  Speaker 1: That's the vibe.
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  Speaker 8: This is his plan.
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  Speaker 14: And, Andrew, can I just say to you... Reap what
• 39:58
  Speaker 14: you sow when you appeal to that voter base that
• 40:01
  Speaker 14: I have just mentioned, because in New York, Mamdani is
• 40:04
  Speaker 14: being sued by a multicultural business coalition, and, yes, that
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  Speaker 14: is what they are called, who believe his plan to
• 40:13
  Speaker 14: operate state-run supermarkets actually will put.
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  Speaker 1: Will put them out of business.
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  Speaker 14: businesses who are run by immigrants, and they've been very
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  Speaker 14: explicit about that.
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  Speaker 1: I think that's a great point.
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  Speaker 8: Great point.
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  Speaker 1: Christopher Sweeney, James McPherson, thank you very much to you both.
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  Speaker 1: After the break, reports that Prince Harry and Meghan Markle
• 40:36
  Speaker 1: are about to say sorry for smearing the royals. Is
• 40:39
  Speaker 1: this as fake as a Meghan Markle smile? Now, you
• 40:47
  Speaker 1: probably think the violent and destructive student riots in France
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  Speaker 1: would be a warning. Riots whipped up by the hard
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  Speaker 1: left and including many children from Muslim immigrant families Instead,
• 40:59
  Speaker 1: Marxists around the West are excited. In Australia, the Marxist
• 41:03
  Speaker 1: Socialist Alternative has got another front group, it seems. It's
• 41:07
  Speaker 1: called High School's Anti-Capitalists, which has now called for street
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  Speaker 1: action against Pauline Hanson and called it for November 11,
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  Speaker 1: Remembrance Day, to disrupt that Western institution as well. Now,
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  Speaker 1: organisers call the violence... the violent protests in France, an inspiration,
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  Speaker 1: saying high schoolers in France have taught the world a
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  Speaker 1: valuable lesson of how to fight for change. We need
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  Speaker 1: to take on the fight ourselves. Street fighting is so exciting.
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  Speaker 1: And Marxists from Britain, meanwhile, have already gone to France
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  Speaker 1: to join in.
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  Speaker 9: Here again you see enemies of the West unite, Marxists.
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  Speaker 1: anti-Israel extremists, gender crusaders, Islamic radicals, the whole lot. Joining
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  Speaker 1: me from London is star GB News presenter Patrick Christies. Patrick,
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  Speaker 1: great to see you again. I mean, that would be
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  Speaker 1: the last thing Britain needs, your militant left to get
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  Speaker 1: a lesson on street fighting from France.
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  Speaker 5: Well, quite.
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  Speaker 15: It's nice that Britain is sending some unwanted immigration in
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  Speaker 15: France's direction for a change, though.
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  Speaker 8: And I was thinking, why.
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  Speaker 15: Isn't she at work, that woman? And then I realised, well,
• 42:45
  Speaker 15: she's both a student and a socialist, so I imagine
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  Speaker 15: the chances of her ever getting a job are incredibly low.
• 42:51
  Speaker 15: I do regret to inform you, though, that the Revolutionary
• 42:54
  Speaker 15: Communist Party in Britain, which is growing in number, have
• 42:57
  Speaker 15: seen what's going on in France and released a video
• 43:00
  Speaker 15: saying that we need to bring that over here. And
• 43:04
  Speaker 15: it is Absolutely shocking to be seeing all of this stuff.
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  Speaker 15: We did actually have vile protests yesterday on October 7th
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  Speaker 15: where students walked around with a placard saying, Glory to
• 43:15
  Speaker 15: our martyrs. They are, in case you were wondering about that,
• 43:19
  Speaker 15: obviously talking.
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  Speaker 8: About Hamas there.
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  Speaker 15: They were all masked up, which is strange, really, because
• 43:25
  Speaker 15: the police said that they weren't supposed to be masked
• 43:28
  Speaker 15: up and the police also threatened to arrest anyone within
• 43:31
  Speaker 15: an entire British town last week. if they got in
• 43:35
  Speaker 15: the way of them helping to import a boat full
• 43:37
  Speaker 15: of illegal immigrants. So a little bit of two-tier policing.
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  Speaker 15: I interviewed someone on my show last night who was
• 43:42
  Speaker 15: a Paris-based French journalist who described it as the, quote,
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  Speaker 15: classic French protest, what you're seeing over there. Well, it
• 43:49
  Speaker 15: doesn't look that French to me, to be honest with you. Yes,
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  Speaker 15: you've got your useful, idiotic, kind of bourgeois class of
• 43:55
  Speaker 15: privately educated Parisians.
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  Speaker 8: But then there are lots.
• 43:58
  Speaker 15: Of ethnic minority groups taking place there. And as you said,
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  Speaker 15: that should be a warning because the conditions for that
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  Speaker 15: to happen over here in Britain exist.
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  Speaker 8: It's all here.
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  Speaker 15: The ground has been sown for it and we are
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  Speaker 15: kind of ready and waiting to see that happen here,
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  Speaker 15: I think.
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  Speaker 1: Well, indeed, you know, talking about your hard left and
• 44:19
  Speaker 1: joining forces with militant Islam, Your former Prime Minister, Keir Starmer,
• 44:23
  Speaker 1: he's now quit politics, of course, and there's a by-election today,
• 44:26
  Speaker 1: your time, in his seat of Holborn and St Pancras,
• 44:31
  Speaker 1: which to me says it all, says everything about the
• 44:35
  Speaker 1: forces pulling Britain apart. Tell us about the candidates. Start
• 44:38
  Speaker 1: with Green Party leader Zach Polanski as one of the candidates.
• 44:43
  Speaker 15: Yeah, so Green Party leader Zach Polanski, the bloke, of course,
• 44:47
  Speaker 15: lest we forget, who thought that he could hypnotise women
• 44:51
  Speaker 15: to give them bigger breasts. He is now the leader
• 44:53
  Speaker 15: of a political party in Britain. The Greens have just
• 44:56
  Speaker 15: decided to pass a motion called Zionism is Racism, and
• 45:00
  Speaker 15: that Jews who go to so-called Zionist synagogues, which is
• 45:03
  Speaker 15: every synagogue... are allowed to be disciplined and reprimanded by
• 45:07
  Speaker 15: the party. The woman who proposed that motion at the
• 45:09
  Speaker 15: Green Party conference is friends with an al-Qaeda fanatic who
• 45:13
  Speaker 15: wanted to commit a suicide bomb attack at Heathrow Airport
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  Speaker 15: and is currently in a US prison. She offered to
• 45:20
  Speaker 15: act as a character witness for him. That was according
• 45:22
  Speaker 15: to US court papers. So that's the Greens who are
• 45:25
  Speaker 15: also campaigning in Urdu and going down the mosques and
• 45:28
  Speaker 15: campaigning there and also campaigning in Somalia. Now, funny, I
• 45:32
  Speaker 15: should mention Somalia, because that brings me on to the
• 45:35
  Speaker 15: Labour Party candidate, who is a Somali asylum seeker. And
• 45:39
  Speaker 15: what she's decided to do is basically not engage with
• 45:43
  Speaker 15: the democratic process whatsoever, aside from standing for election. And
• 45:47
  Speaker 15: by that, I mean, she doesn't seem to be doing
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  Speaker 15: any hustings events, any public debates whatsoever. or facing any
• 45:53
  Speaker 15: public scrutiny whatsoever. So you've gone from actually, as rubbish
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  Speaker 15: as he was, having the Prime Minister of the United
• 46:00
  Speaker 15: Kingdom in that seat, to potentially either Zach Polanski or
• 46:06
  Speaker 15: a Somali asylum seeker. And then, of course, you've got
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  Speaker 15: your old mate, George Galloway, there, who has never met
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  Speaker 15: a by-election, who doesn't want to stand in, and has
• 46:17
  Speaker 15: a habit of whipping up the dregs of society that...
• 46:20
  Speaker 15: Even the Green Party and even the Labour Party couldn't
• 46:23
  Speaker 15: even dare touch. But amongst all of this, Andrew, you've
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  Speaker 15: got some right wing parties who are standing. One of
• 46:29
  Speaker 15: them is Restore Britain. They are the furthest right wing party. Now,
• 46:32
  Speaker 15: whatever people might think of them, they should be allowed
• 46:35
  Speaker 15: to engage in the democratic process. And what's happened is
• 46:38
  Speaker 15: that when they've been going out and about canvassing, they've
• 46:40
  Speaker 15: been attacked.
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  Speaker 8: And followed around by hard left parties.
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  Speaker 15: Activists who have been calling them Nazis, blockading them, trying
• 46:47
  Speaker 15: to do things. You know, if that was the other
• 46:52
  Speaker 15: way around, we'd never hear.
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  Speaker 9: The end of it, would we? If it was the
• 46:56
  Speaker 9: far right.
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  Speaker 1: Never hear the end of it.
• 46:58
  Speaker 9: Yeah. Yeah.
• 47:00
  Speaker 1: Mate, you describe, and don't forget George Galloway is a
• 47:04
  Speaker 1: fanboy of Vladimir Putin, the war criminal. There was an
• 47:08
  Speaker 1: astonishing story in the Daily Express claiming that Prince Harry
• 47:11
  Speaker 1: and wife Meghan Markle were planning to say sorry to
• 47:14
  Speaker 1: the royal family for calling them racist and worse in
• 47:19
  Speaker 1: their infamous Oprah Winfrey interview. How likely is that really?
• 47:24
  Speaker 1: A sorry for Meghan Markle? Seriously.
• 47:28
  Speaker 8: Yeah, quite. I mean, you can't really.
• 47:29
  Speaker 15: She's not got a track record of having a great
• 47:32
  Speaker 15: relationship with the truth, has she? But, look, I mean,
• 47:36
  Speaker 15: this is about, apparently, these so-called royal races who raise
• 47:40
  Speaker 15: questions about what colour the baby might be. You know,
• 47:44
  Speaker 15: Meghan Markle threw them under the bus... But look, when
• 47:48
  Speaker 15: you defame someone, you're supposed to apologise, but also in
• 47:50
  Speaker 15: a similar prominence.
• 47:51
  Speaker 8: So I think she should go back on Oprah, Andrew.
• 47:54
  Speaker 15: She'd be made to go back on Oprah and retract everything.
• 47:57
  Speaker 15: Hire a big red London bus and a megaphone and
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  Speaker 15: go around the country apologising.
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  Speaker 1: Oh, that would be wonderful. But unfortunately, we are both
• 48:09
  Speaker 1: dreaming here and so is the Daily Express, I believe,
• 48:12
  Speaker 1: because I think... A spokesman for someone connected to Harry
• 48:17
  Speaker 1: has said one word, nonsense. I don't know that they're
• 48:20
  Speaker 1: going to be. Harry might want to apologise now that
• 48:23
  Speaker 1: it's all too late, the week bugger, but I don't
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  Speaker 1: think Meghan Markle will be doing any of that. Patrick Christie,
• 48:29
  Speaker 1: always great to talk to you. Thank you so much
• 48:31
  Speaker 1: for your time. See you next week. That's it from me.
• 48:35
  Speaker 1: Coming up next is Shari Markson with a really excellent show.
• 48:39
  Speaker 1: I urge you to watch it, but from me, goodnight.