Latest / Pastor John Piper's answers / Learning in a World Blind to God
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- 0:04Today we're learning about learning, looking at learning as a crucial part to the
- 0:09Christian life. Lifelong learning specifically is what we're talking about today. The discipline
- 0:15is essential for local churches as well, So much so I'm reminded of APJ
- 0:20eighteen oh four, Pastor John, where you encourage pastors to build a lifelong
- 0:26learning habit into their churches so that as God's people disperse out into the world
- 0:31after that Sunday gathering, when they go out into all their various professions and
- 0:36fields of influence, they can learn how to bring Biblical truth to bear in
- 0:41the world, at school, at work, without expecting the pastor to be
- 0:48the expert to answer all the ethical challenges that they will uniquely face in the
- 0:52world. And so pastors are equippers getting their people ready to make wise and
- 0:57discerning decisions in their lives. And to do this well, it requires a
- 1:02congregation to learn how to learn on their own. For the next few weeks,
- 1:07we are going to focus on this discipline of lifelong learning, and we
- 1:11focus here because well, it's an important theme, and we focus here because
- 1:15it's the theme of your brand new book titled Foundations for Lifelong Learning. Education
- 1:21in serious joy in this new book, as to be expected, Pastor John,
- 1:26you employ hundreds of Bible texts to make your points, over five hundred
- 1:30sidations throughout this little book. But of the most frequently cided text in this
- 1:37new book that I see include two texts that stand out Matthew thirteen thirteen and
- 1:42Psalm thirty four to eight, texts that also factor prominently in your book Reading
- 1:49the Bible Supernaturally. So that leads me to ask this question in your mind,
- 1:56how do these two books, and these two different themes work together.
- 2:00What are the similarities and what are the differences between talking about Bible study on
- 2:06one hand, in Reading the Bible Supernaturally and the purpose of education more broadly,
- 2:12which is the theme of Foundations for Lifelong Learning. How does the wise
- 2:16study of Scripture set the stage for us to be wise Christian students of all
- 2:21of life. In your new book, you write a statement that really stood
- 2:25out to me. You said, quote, if we never observed the world
- 2:30through books, especially the book, we will be very limited in what we
- 2:36can know. Expand on that, let me see if I can take all
- 2:42those threads, a lot of different threads, and weave them into some kind
- 2:47of coherent fabric of an answer. So let's start with quoting those two passages.
- 2:53I mean, I found this really helpful the way you posted the question.
- 2:57It was really helpful me to think on how the books related and how
- 3:00those texts relate to the two books. So let's start by quoting those two
- 3:04passages and relate them to the two books. Matthew thirteen thirteen says, Jesus
- 3:10says, this is why I speak to them in parables, because seeing they
- 3:15do not see. Seeing they do not see, and hearing they do not
- 3:20hear, nor do they understand. And I'm pretty sure that the reason this
- 3:27text is a common question for our APGA listeners is because Jesus says he's actually
- 3:36aiming to conceal things by his parables from people who are resistant to truth.
- 3:45A couple of verses later, he says, this people's heart has grown dull,
- 3:50and with their ears they can barely hear, and their eyes they have
- 3:57closed, lest they should see with their eyes and hear with their ears.
- 4:02But then Jesus says to his disciples, but blessed are your eyes, for
- 4:09they see, and your ears for they hear. So the point is that
- 4:15there are two kinds of seeing. Seeing they do not see. Seeing is
- 4:20one kind of seeing. They do not see. That another kind of seeing
- 4:26now Psalm thirty four to eight. The other text you mentioned gives the key
- 4:31to the difference between a seeing that sees and a seeing that does not see.
- 4:39It says, oh, taste and see that the Lord is good,
- 4:45which I take to mean that there is a seeing which is also a tasting
- 4:50of the goodness of God. And that tasting of the goodness of God is
- 4:57the other kind of seeing. So some people read the story of the Gospel
- 5:02of Christ. He dies for us, he rises triumphant, he reigns,
- 5:09and they see these facts. They see them, they see them, but
- 5:13they taste no goodness at all. These facts don't taste good and delightful and
- 5:18pleasing and satisfying. They don't taste anything pleasant. Their spiritual taste buds are
- 5:25dead. The only kind of seeing they have is natural seeing, seeing with
- 5:31the eyes of the head, the mind. Nothing supernatural, nothing spiritual,
- 5:36nothing from the Holy Spirit. But someone else reads the story of the Gospel,
- 5:44and that person tastes the sweetness of it, the goodness of it.
- 5:49They taste and see, And this is the second seeing Paul calls it seeing
- 5:57with the eyes of the heart. If he's ins one pint eighteen, God
- 6:00has worked a miracle. He has made the taste buds of the soul alive.
- 6:08It's not nonsense to say taste and see. I mean, suppose I
- 6:13tell you this dessert is really rich, and you say, we'll take your
- 6:18word for it, and I said, no, no, no, taste
- 6:21it, and you taste it and you say, oh, I see.
- 6:28Now that's not nonsense, right. You see, that's what happens when we
- 6:35hear the Gospel and God makes our spiritual taste buds. We taste and say,
- 6:42oh, I see, this is wonderful. So now here's the connection
- 6:47between those two verses and the two books that you mentioned. The new book
- 6:54is called Foundations for Lifelong Learning subtitled Education and Serious Joy, and the older
- 6:59book Reading the Bible Supernaturally. There are two main differences between the books.
- 7:04The new book, Foundations for Lifelong Learning, is built entirely and explicitly around
- 7:12six habits of mind and heart that form the foundations of lifelong learning or education.
- 7:21But these habits are only assumed and implicit in the earlier book Reading the
- 7:29Bible supernaturally. That's one difference so assumed in the earlier book, made explicit
- 7:35built around them in the second book. The other difference is that the newer
- 7:42book applies these six habits of mind and heart not just to the Bible,
- 7:48but to both of God's books, the Bible and the world. So reading
- 7:54the Bible supernaturally is about how to read the Bible, and foundations for lifelong
- 8:01learning is about how to read the Bible and how to read the world.
- 8:05So it's built around the question what habits of mind and heart are necessary for
- 8:13lifelong learning from the world, Learning from the world as well as from the
- 8:20Bible. The six habits of mind and heart that form the foundation of lifelong
- 8:26learning are observation, understanding, evaluation, feeling, application, and expression.
- 8:37There's the chapter on each of those and how they are a at least to
- 8:43my taste, buds a delicious challenge for a lifetime of learning from the Word
- 8:50and from the world. This is what we try to do at best in
- 8:54college and seminary, build these six habits of mind and heart into our students
- 9:01so they are catapulted into a lifetime of fruitful learning. That's what I hope
- 9:05is happening on every apj as well. Now, the reason those two texts
- 9:11Matthew thirteen thirteen and Psalm thirty four to eight are relevant to these two books
- 9:18is that the problem of seeing but not seeing is a problem not only for
- 9:24what we see in the Bible, but also what we see in the world.
- 9:30In other words, not only do people look at the Gospel and fail
- 9:35to see the beauty of its reality, but people also look at the birds
- 9:41and the lilies and the ants digging in the ground and fail to see the
- 9:46beauty of the reality that God has designed for them to see and what He
- 9:52means to communicate. Some people will say that if we would just study our
- 9:56Bibles more and more care carefully, we wouldn't have to study the world.
- 10:03Now, Not to put it too strongly, that's crazy, not only because
- 10:09the Bible assumes on every page, I mean virtually every page, the Bible
- 10:16assumes that we have looked at the world and learned from it, so that
- 10:20we know what the Bible is talking about when it refers to vineyards, wine,
- 10:26weddings, lions, bears, horses, dogs, pigs, grasshoppers,
- 10:31constellations, businesses, wages, banks, fountains, rivers, fig trees,
- 10:37olive trees, thorns, wind, bread, armies, swords, shields,
- 10:41sheep, shepherds, cattle, camels, fire, green wood, dry wood,
- 10:46hay, stubble, jewels, gold, silver, law, courts,
- 10:50judges, and advocates for starters. Right. I mean, the Bible assumes
- 10:58we've got our eyes open and are looking carefully at the world and learning what
- 11:05things are and how they work, and at society. That we have a
- 11:09great store of knowledge of things of the world when we come to the pages
- 11:15of scripture. And not only that, not only does the Bible assume that
- 11:20we have paid close attention to the world that we live in. It commands
- 11:24us to go back to the world and learn. Go to the Ant,
- 11:28you sluggard, like sluggard reading the Bible, Go to the Ant and consider
- 11:35her ways and be wise, learn from her diligence. Look at the birds
- 11:39of the air and learn how your father will take care of you. Consider
- 11:45the lilies of the field, and learn how your father will clothe you.
- 11:50And the relevance of those texts Matthew thirteen and Psalm thirty four is that millions
- 11:56of people seeing do not see when they look at the world. They see
- 12:03birds and lilies and ants, and sunrises and stars, bright glasss of God's
- 12:13glory everywhere, and they don't see it. They don't see God. They
- 12:18don't see his glory and what He's revealing. So the good effects of Bible
- 12:24seeing and world seeing go both directions. If you see the world accurately,
- 12:35you will bring a fund of knowledge to the Bible that will enable you to
- 12:39know many things, many of the kinds of things it's talking about. But
- 12:45even more importantly, and you picked up on this, Tony in the last
- 12:50part of your question, even more importantly, if in reading the Bible,
- 12:56God gives us eyes to see the glory of Christ, to taste and see
- 13:01that He's good, then when we turn to the world and look with these
- 13:09new eyes, the birds and the lilies, and the ants, and the
- 13:15sunrises and the stars, they all have a new message, They have a
- 13:20new glory. They show us something of God. So that's what I want
- 13:28for myself. That's what I want for our students at betht theem College in
- 13:31Seminary. That's what I want for everyone who reads this book. That's what
- 13:35I want every time you and I talk on this podcast. For our listeners
- 13:41when we see the word and when we see the world, to really see,
- 13:50to taste and see that the Lord is good, the Lord is glorious.
- 13:56Yeah. Amen. Truly understanding the world in what it says of God
- 14:01is essential for comprehending the Bible better and vice versa, all leading to the
- 14:07delight of learning. There's an essential feeling and essential joyfulness that we aim at
- 14:13in all of our learning. I think Pastor John, you're sort of getting
- 14:16at that. You're pushing in that direction towards the end of this episode,
- 14:18and I want to pick up on that theme next time. Thank you,
- 14:22Pastor John. Thank you for joining us today. If you have a question
- 14:24for Pastor John, ask him. Type out your question as briefly as possible
- 14:28and email it to me at ask Pastor John at Desiring Good dot org.
- 14:33I'm your host, Tony Rinky. We'll see you back here on Monday.
- 14:37Learning for joy that's the theme next see then.